MOSER/ROGERS/MUNDAY MEMORIES OF ROSEBUD, VIC., AUST.
This journal results from a private message conversation between myself and Shah, who has consented to her information being published.
COMMENT UNDER MY JOURNAL ABOUT THE DROMANA MUSEUM.
Very interested in all you have written about the Mornington Peninsula.
In regard to the Thistles in Boneo Road. My grandparents ran this as a guest house around the 1930s. I understand it was then a double storey house.
Would this be correct and is there anything else you could tell me about it?
Researching Moser, Rogers, Munday, Bennett, Dixon, Pilbeam, Belsar, Parkinson, Fitzgibbon, amongst others.
Hi Shah. You referred to "The Thistle" by which I presume you mean "The Thicket". This was bounded by First Avenue, Eastbourne Rd and Boneo Rd and contained the curving streets such as Warranilla Ave. It adjoined the Hope St houses which were part of "Hindhope", a farm which occupied the northern half of crown allotment 14 Wannaeue.
Unfortunately I know very little about The Thicket. The late Ray Cairns told me that the homestead was near the site of the church that stands at the corner of Boneo Rd and The Drive. I need to know the name of your grandfather who ran the guest house in what must have been an extension of the homestead described below. The only mentions of The Thicket seem to be the following sale notice and a fire and a brief advertisement re holiday accommodation in shallays (chalets) in the 1940's. With a bit more information, I might be able to find other articles or advertisements about the property on trove.
CLEARING SALE At "THE THICKET," BONEO ROAD, ROSEBUD, THURSDAY. JUNE 22.
At One O'Clock. On the Premises.
McInnes, Whinfield, and Co. (late J.K. Jennings and McInnes) have received Instructions to SELL , on the above date A farm property, consisting of 56 ac. 2 rd. 22 perches, situated close to Rosebud township, and only a stone-throw from the water frontage,
A good house, consisting of 5 rooms and conveniences, is erected on the property, including a garage, extra good well equipped bails and sheds, machinery shed, pig run and sty, buggy shed, chaffhouse, &c, &c.
The properly is subdivided into 7 paddocks. This includes three very good orchards, peaches, apple, pears, and other fruit in full bearing, and is watered by windmill, pipes laid, and an abundant supply.
CATTLE. 14 dairy cows, 3 heifers, 3 bullocks, 1 bull, 4 calves.
HORSES. 1 draught gelding 5 years old; 1 medium draught mare, 7 years old, extra good.
PIGS.-2 sows with broods, 1 boar.
IMPLEMENTS.-Seed drill, disc plough, 2 single furrow ploughs, cultivator, mower, 1 set harrows, 1 grindstone, 1 spray pump, 1 portable engine (Richardson), 1 shellcrusher, I chaffcutter, complete with belt; shovel, forks, garden utensils,
&c, 2 incubators, 3 brooders, pair of scales.
HARNESS. 2 sets of buggy harness, 1 set of dray harness, collars, and hames.
DAIRY.-Separator (Globe No. 1), 2 milk churns, 2 butter churns.
FURNITURE. 4 bedsteads and mattresses, chest of drawers, small tables, washstand &c.
VEHICLES.-1 dray, 1 springcart, 1 buggy, 1 phaeton.
Terms on Land Purchase 1230 may remain on mortgage for 3 years, bearing 5 per cent. interest,balance cash.
The auctioneers have inspected this property, and have to report that it is a snug, comfortable home, well equipped, and a very fine front garden. The land is good black sandy loam, and well suited for growing maize, lucerne, onions, and the like, and, being within a stone-throw of the bay frontage, must eventually command a big price for building blocks. We strongly recommend it as a comfortable home and a good Investment.
Further particulars from McInnes, Whinfield, and Co., 411 Bourke street, Melbourne.
Local representative, Mr. Jennings, land and estate agent, Rosebud.
Yes, I did mean the Thicket! My great grandparents names were Sydney and Mary (May) Moser. My grandmother Mona Moser was married there. She married Bartholomew Rogers who had bakeries in Rosebud and then managed the pine plantation*. (*See "Bogies and Birdies" the history of the Rosebud Country Club-itellya.)
Are you interested in my grandparents businesses and where they lived etc?
Bartholomew (Barty) Rogers was on many committees such as the building of the local high school and memorial hall. He has a road named after him in Cape Schanck where he owned a lot of land at one stage.
Thank you for your reply.
I'd love any information concerning your ancestors in relation to Rosebud and the Mornington Peninsula. I think I remember Peter Wilson mentioning Bart Rogers in relation to the memorial hall.
Did your great grandparents own just the homestead block of The Thicket or the whole (almost) 57 acres? Did they know Keith McGregor who had probably leased the homestead block from Alf Rawlings while he ran the transport business and owned Hindhope Villa (50 First Avenue) after his return from the Western District?
Who were their friends in the area? Was Cr.Forrest Edmund (Joe) Wood one of them? If you have any anecdotes in the family folklore about funny incidents, accidents, events etc., I'd love to hear about them.
When did the Mosers arrive in the area from Swan Hill and what was M.A.Moser doing at Dromana in 1948? I presume this was Murray who escaped serious injury in 1938 while presumably living at Rosebud. Did Murray run a garage in Rosebud West?
MOTOR Mechanic A grade or equivalent experience Furnished house
available right man reasonable rent Apply giving complete details of qualifications and experience M Moser Chatfeld ave Rosebud West
(The Argus, Saturday 17 July 1948, p 18 Advertising.)
Just in case you haven't used TROVE, I'll include the articles referred to above.
CAR SNAPS POST
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 24 October 1938 p 3 Article
... CAR SNAPS POST ROSEBUD, Sunday.-Struck - Struck by a motor-car when it swerved after a collision lision with another car this afternoon, an electric light pole on the Sorrento road was snapped off at the base. The driver of the car, Mr. Murray Moser, escaped with a cut nose and a passenger ... 80 words
SWAN HILL MIGRANTS MANY SETTLED ON PENINSULA
Standard (Frankston, Vic. : 1939 - 1949) Thursday 18 March 1948 p 11 Article
... T. Atherton (Rosebud), H. Atherton (Main Ridge), R. Donaldson (B3alnarr ing), J. Fanning, L. ... W. G. Cochrane (Merricks), W. Pedley, W. Brace (Red Hill South), G. Brasser, MA. Moser (Dromana), ... 292 words
I also tried Rogers, Rosebud and found this one.
P G Rogers of Rosebud applied to the board for permission to carry with one commercial vehicle goods within a radius of 20 miles of Rosebud. He applied also for permission to carry goods to and from Flinders and Portsea to places within a radius of five miles of the G P O Melbourne. Tho application was opposed by the railways E G
White. W A Peterson and B A Cairns The board reserved its decision.
(The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 1 September 1938 p 12 Article)
I will have to get back to you re some of the questions. Yes, Murray Moser ran a garage in West Rosebud that has in the past few years been knocked down and there are units and a caf there. Dad has just told me they bought a house that was at the back of where the garage was they lived in. I am regularly on Trove.
I have found my grandfather Barty better by searching for BP Rogers. He owned Bakeries in Kilmore and I've found recently Hurstbridge, but not at the same time.
I think the Moser's arrived in Rosebud quite possibly in 1938. I have a photo of my grandmother Mona standing in a garden, that mum thinks was the Thicket. Only shows a palm tree in the background. My grandmother's father Sydney Moser worked on the Rosebud Hotel, bricklaying (I think). They would not have owned the Thicket but probably rented it. They weren't well off due to my great grandfather's roaming.
They lived quite a number of places in Victoria before settling in Rosebud.
His father Herman Frederick Moser was a quite well known photographer and was involved in getting the bridge over the Murray in Swan Hill. He was the first person to take bullocks and dray across it; though I don't think he was supposed to!
The Mosers were distantly related to cricketer (Pontrose?) who owned a holiday home in Rosebud on the corner of Point Nepean Road and Rose Road. Sydney Murray Moser was born in Deniliquin in 1888 and married Mary Ann (May) Bennett in Deniliquin in 1910. May Bennett was a granddaughter of two convicts Elizabeth Taylor and Samuel Benjamin Bellamy Bennett. Her maternal great grandfather has an island named after him near Swan Hill called Belsar's Island. Barty Rogers had two bakeries at different times in Rosebud, one where the now ANZ bank was and the other where the men's wear shop is now next to Peebles. This shop was more of a milk bar/mixed business which granddad owned with May Moser. I rang Dad, Charlie Munday,to ask where grandad's 2nd shop was and he said he thought the information you have about Bill Chatfield may not be correct as he doesn't remember him fishing. He had a truck and did cartage work and put in Electric power poles etc. Murray Moser bought the garage from him and when they extended the garage, this is where the house was moved back. It is no longer there. Chatfield also built a shop next to the garage where a Tattoo place is now. Dad also said there was a man called Chadwick and another man called Lynch who ran the store. Lynch went on holiday to Queensland and drowned. The PG Rogers you found about permission for cartage may well have been my grandfather except they have the initials wrong. He did carry bricks etc. He used to buy concrete bricks my other grandfather Charles Munday made.
Charles Munday (my dad has the same name) used to sell the bricks to Barty and Barty would often return to buy more as he had lost some of his load on the journey.
Dad's side Charles William Munday and Amy Evelyn Munday(nee Parkinson) came to Rosebud on the 12th March 1946 and lived in a shed just behind where McDonalds is now. Grandad then built a house and built units in Fourth Avenue that still stand though are totally changed now. He also built the house opposite which is now behind the Tyre place. My grandparents ran a boat hire place where the Scout hall now stands. They then built a house in Murray Anderson Road and lived there until my grandfather's death in 1976. Barty and Mona Rogers and their children lived in the old pine house that used to stand beside the drive to the Rosebud Football Ground. They then built a brick home opposite the site of the present high school but this was demolished by the power company who used the land. They built another home two doors down that still stands in Boneo Road.
I will speak to my Uncle (mum's brother) as he may remember more.
Thanks for taking the time to record all this; it is fascinating!
This is fantastic because I rely on rates (available only until 1919) and old residents for most of my information, many of the latter having now died. With so many changes (e.g. McDonald's, the transmission station on the Boneo/Eastbourne corner that you mention, K.F.C.-formerly a caravan park mentioned in one of my journals etc),only people that have "been there; done that" can fill the gaps.
In regard to William Chatfield, he had been a fisherman before becoming a shopkeeper,living in a hut on the foreshore which was probably taken over by a (Swede)who is mentioned by Vin Burnham in his memories of Rosebud in the early days. Vin (Owen) had forgotten his surname but I've got it somewhere.(Axel Vincent!)
See "Life in Rosebud in the early years: by Vin Burnham | steveburnham.net
By Owen Vincent (Vin) Burnham. Unknown-3 When I was quite young (about seven, early 1920s) the Nepean Highway was a gravel and dirt road right up to ..."
In seeking information about William Chatfield, I made the fascinating discovery that residents of Rosebud West and Tootgarook had decided to call the area "Eastbourne".
At a public meeting held at Eastbourne a committee of management, consisting of Messrs D.Cairns, W.Chatfield, F.Luscombe, and W.Truman, was formed to take over control of portion of the foreshore between Rye and Rosebud. It was decided to name the locality Eastbourne.
Eastbourne is the name given to his West Rosebud grant by Sidney Smith Crispo and used by Edward Williams, his great friend when he took over the property before Crispo's death in 1899. Williams had a new limestone homestead built at 17 William Crescent, and the name now applies to the primary school and Eastbourne Rd as well as the historic house.
Eleanora Davey Cairns lived at Eleanora, which was also built in the early 1900's and having been donated to the Alfred Hospital as a nurses' refuge,is now part of the Rosebud Hospital. Luscombe might have been a poultry farmer at Rosebud West,perhaps on "Woyna" east of the Truemans Rd corner. William Trueman had the eastern half of the land granted to his father,James. This land was later occupied by poultry farmer, Alf Doig, who was responsible for the area west of Truemans Rd being officially named Tootgarook. It is possible that the shire had denied a request for Eastbourne as an official name because of possible confusion with another place in Victoria of that name. (The Pascoe Vale Girls' School, established in a prominent house named Mt. Sabine could not be given that name because of such a situation.)
In the Sands and McDougall directory of 1950,Bartholomew P. Rogers is listed as a Rosebud resident and M.Moser, motor garage,was one of 24 Rosebud West residents. Also listed under Rosebud were Charles W. and Ernest H.Munday.
One thing I need to establish is the location of the Narooma Guest House. Jim Dryden said it was between First Avenue and Boneo Rd but his brother, Bill, claims it was on the site of McDonalds.
What I would like to do is write a journal about Rosebud, featuring your families, in the form of a conversation. In other words,to copy and paste our conversation, deleting any info of a private nature or that you don't want published. Something like MOSER, ROGERS AND MUNDAY MEMORIES OF ROSEBUD,VIC., AUST. How does that appeal to you?
Eastbourne Rd was a government road shown in the survey of the parish of Wannaeue. In about 1900,It was known as Ford's Lane because of Cr William Ford who had earlier owned the Wannaeue Estate bounded by Jetty Rd, Hiscock Rd (which continued eastward to the Old Cape Schanck/Jetty Rd corner), Boneo Rd and Eastbourne Rd. Later it was owned by Jack Raper (apparently pronounced Roper for obvious reasons)and the lane was known to locals as Roper's Lane by such as Ray Cairns and Bill Dryden.Jack built the house on the east side of the Olympic Park driveway in which Bart Rogers lived. Its demolition illustrates how little effort the shire has made to document Rosebud's heritage; thank goodness my curiosity has saved the Boyd Cottage in Rosebud Pde!
My father has given me some names and places you may be interested in.
I also know other old locals if you would like their input as well.
Narooma Guest house was on the corner of 4th Avenue where the current Safeway Petrol Station is. Dad also mentioned an old lady that used to live in quite a substantial house on the foreshore where the current Village Green is. He doesn't remember her name but she used to cut men's hair during WW2. She boarded a man by the name of Bucher who drowned when he fell in a drain. (As the village Green was the footy ground, the house probably adjoined the eastern end of it-itellya.)
(TROVE. ROSEBUD. MAN'S BODY IN CANAL
The body of Lewis Thomas Bucher, 71, of Rosebud was found in a drainage canal near his home yesterday. He had
been missing from his home since Monday. Police said there were no suspicious circumstances.
(P.6, Argus, 23-6-1948.) N.B. The drain was probably Chinaman's Creek. itellya.)
On the current site of Woolworths next to Rosebud Primary School there was the Presbyterian Church and a menswear that used to be owned by the Weatherheads. This was moved to its current site. Patterson's garage also used to reside there (woollies site).
Where there is a doctors surgery near the site of the old Rosebud tennis courts, this used to be the Methodist Church.
Dad mentioned Bill Paige. Frank Whittaker owned a furniture shop amongst other things. Bobby Weatherhead, Ernie Jensen, Bruce Jensen who was a Panel Beater and Micky Dark. I haven't been able to establish if my great grandparents knew the people who you asked about but dad played cricket or baseball (forgotten) with the army person you mentioned. Happy to have the information I provided in the journal.
on 2013-10-01 01:13:02
Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.