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My name is edf and I am the G.G.Grandson of Josiah Fletcher b.1816 and Anne (Bird) Fletcher, married 1836 in Manchester

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I would be very interested if anyone has information that would confirm that my G.G.G. Grandfather was indeed John Fletcher and my G.G.G. Grandmother was Mary Fletcher (maiden name Foden, previously married to Josiah Fletcher(victualler of old hall)..who sadly died of fever in 1811. Josiah and Mary had a daughter, Martha Fletcher b. 1806, whom I believe was my G.G. Grandfather Josiah Fletcher b. 1816, step sister. Martha married John Ralphs in 1832 and John Ralphs joined my G.G. Grandparents in Port Phillip Bay Australia in 1842 and to my knowledge Martha remained in England,(Martha was a witness of the marriage of Josiah to Ann Bird in 1836) I would be very interested if anyone has any history regarding Martha (Fletcher) Ralphs and also information about my G.G. Grandmother Anne (Bird) Fletcher who was remarried to George Hall (ex convict - highwayman) in 1845 after my G.G. Grandfather Josiah Fletcher tragically drowned at Merri Creek Victoria in 1845, George Hall died approximately 5 years later and Anne my G.G. Grandmother seems to have vanished ? Did she go back to England or did she re-marry and move to another state ? it was thought that Ann may have gone by her maiden name after the death of George Hall

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on 2013-12-28 21:30:23

edf , from Perth, Western Australia, has been a Family Tree Circles member since Dec 2013.

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by lynda1 on 2014-02-14 03:51:07

Edf. Do you have certificate for Martha Fletcher. Lynda1

by lynda1 on 2014-02-16 00:07:11

Edf Thinking of getting Ann Bird Josiah Fletcher's marriage cert.Know everything that is on it except -parents. Do you have it? Lynda1

by edf on 2014-02-21 23:52:43

Hi lynda1, I have documents relating to Martha Fletcher, whose father was Josiah and mother was Mary Foden and a copy of Josiah's and Ann's marriage, which has no family information on the document apart from Martha (Fletcher) Ralphs was a witness of the marraige, but because Josiah senior died aged 34 years of fever, I can't find the family link between our G.G. Grandfather Josiah and Martha, may have been cousins, I am not sure
I do know from other research that Josiah Fletcher's father our G.G.G. Grandfather was most likely William Fletcher christened in 1769 and his fathers name was John Fletcher and mother was Susannah, I an still researching to confirm this and will keep you in the loop
I have confirmation that Ann (Bird) Fletcher Hall was not buried in the Jerilderie cemetery and am still waiting to hear back regarding the Urana cemetery but my guess is she is buried at Docklands (Vic) at the old St Jame's Church cemetery.. maybe even alongside Josiah if you live nearby can you check this.. if possible ??

by lynda1 on 2014-02-23 05:48:25

Caroline Hall m Thomas Cawthorne 1865.I think we might at least find out something.

by edf on 2014-02-23 06:40:02

Linda1, I agree that Caroline is a good place to further investigate Ann's later life and possible whereabouts, also for you info Ann isn't buried at Urana NSW, I should have known that because I don't think that Edmund was close to Ann (his mother) after the property dispute (Josiah's house) in Brunswick......edf

by lynda1 on 2014-02-28 01:28:19

Edf I have looked nearly everywhere for some connection with 'Ralphs".
N.S.W. bdm's there is quite a few, but the only VIC ones. John+ wife Mary their 2 children Edmund+Anne. the came out.1841. Other bit of trivia. --Family Search.
Mary A Fletcher in household of Fredrick Ralph. Census 1881.Mary Fletcher b1809
Mother-in-law Lancas. Fred 27yrs Eliza 28yrs.
Doesn't look like much,but that has taken me nearly all day
although l have been looking for Cawthorne . Lynda
I know the other thing l want to know , Edmunds wife Margaret.What was her parent's names?

by edf on 2014-03-28 19:36:45

by edf on 2014-03-28 19:45:20

Hi Lynda1 not sure I responded to your request re Margaret's maiden name, it was O'Brien, if you have any information regarding Margaret I would be greatfull.

Margaret was a house maid at a station in NSW and Edmund was a stockman at the same station, they were married in Albury NSW in 1861

by lynda1 on 2014-04-01 22:28:55

Hi Edf. I had lots to tell you about "John O'Brien' when living Albury. But looked closer at information.It was the name he had used when writing article.-So he wasn't a O'Brien at all. Sorry.Lynda

by edf on 2014-06-11 00:04:39

Hi lynda1
The further I looked into William Fletcher born 1st Nov-1767 and Susannah Fletcher being the parents of Josiah Fletcher b: 1816 d: 1845 (wife Ann Bird) the more I don't believe they were as they would have been to old...sorry I may have given you a false lead and will need to keep looking edf

by lynda1 on 2014-07-08 07:56:33

I think it is a "Brickwall" at the moment.

by edf on 2014-12-12 19:58:58

Hi lynda1, I am afraid I haven't made much progress since our last correspondence, I still cannot identify who Josiah's parents were but think maybe we should be looking at Scotland and although I have followed a few trails on Anne (Fletcher) Hall she also seems to have just faded into history. I am visiting Margarets grave in Urana later this month and also Edmunds grave in Jerilderie and the local historical societies in both towns and will keep you in the loop..edf

by lynda1 on 2014-12-13 02:05:46

That's great news.I live Wodonga. Would love to meet somewhere.

by wizard28 on 2014-12-13 05:43:54

Name: John Ralphs
Spouse's Name: Martha Fowden Fletcher (note middle name)
Event Date: 02 Feb 1832
Event Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02847-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1545567 , Reference ID: p 90 Item 268

by wizard28 on 2014-12-13 05:45:45

Name: John Ralphs
Spouse's Name: Martha Fowden Fletcher (note middle name)
Event Date: 02 Feb 1832
Event Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02847-4 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1545567 , Reference ID: p 90 Item 268

by lynda1 on 2014-12-13 07:16:16

Wizard28. Thank you for that information.


by edf on 2014-12-13 22:46:49

Wizard 28, many thanks for that info, I also have a copy of Josiah and Anne's marriage cert and Martha was a witness at the ceremony, but further research shows she wasn't Josiah's sister and Josiah Fletcher and Mary Foden Fletcher were not his parents from there all goes a bit blank, I also researched that possibly Mary Foden Fletcher married John Fletcher after Josiah passed away in 1811, but was advised this type of marriage was against the law in the 1800's ...
If you have any idea's as who Josiah Fletcher b-1816 parents were we would love to hear your thoughts... thanks edf

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