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Odbert Butler Daughter of Rose May Butler Camden NSW 1894

Query by Banoii

Hi

Looking for information on a daughter born to Rose May Butler in 1894 Camden NSW
Ordia had a daughter herself in Aug 1912 in Lewisham NSW called Constance Alma Butler
that was adopted by Relatives The Kiddle Family?
Constance latter married a L. Odbert in 1934.
Unfortunatately no other information on Ordia Butler.

any information is much aprreciated for Family Research

Thank you

Banoii
Richmond NSW

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by asheppard on 2012-03-24 22:52:44

NSW BMD for

Ordia Butler with mother Rose M Butler was born 1894 in Junee NSW.

Is this the same person.

by Banoii on 2012-03-25 02:46:30

Hi

Yes it is the same. Rose M Butler is My GGrandmother. We only have the Birth Reg of Ordia and know she had a daughter Constance, but afraid not much more.
Don't know what happened to her after that.
Constance was adopted by relatives.

by asheppard on 2012-03-25 20:11:49

I couldn't find anything else on her either in NSW, nothing in ancestry or NSW BMD, do you think she changed her name, or perhaps moved interstate.

Does Ordia's birth certificate give you any other clues?
Do you have Constance's birth certificate? does it give you information on where Ordia lived or where Constance was born, ie hospital, home etc.

I did find a Rose M Butler marriage in 1899 to Stephen Kennedy in Junee with several children up to 1911.

Have you tried contacting the Junee Historical Society, they may have some information on the family.

I have found a family connection
1858 Rosannah Butler married James Kiddle in Camden
1869 James Butler married Rosanna Wheeler in Camden

James and Rosannah Butler were brother and sister, Ordia is Rosanna Kiddle's niece I wonder if Ordia was sent to live with a Kiddle family member until Constance was born.

More questions than answers I'm afraid.

by Banoii on 2012-03-25 21:43:35

Thanks greatly for your response

Lol Now Im really gonna confuse you.
We think Ordia changed he name (but unfortuantely nothing to back that up.
Still waiting for both Birth Certificates. Ordia's and Constance.
Know that COnstance was born in Lewisham Hospital in 1912.

Rose and Stephen Kennedy are my great Grand Parents Their son Andrew is my Grandfather (passing last month at 95 He was the last out of the 12 kids of Stephen and Rose.)

James and Rosannah Kiddle son Barnett (and his Wife Emma) are the couple that adopted Constance and brought her up in/around Girraween.

Unfortunately The Junee or Camden Historical Society have not been able to come up with anything as yet. I'm really hoping Ordia or Constances Birth Certificates can shed more light on this family line. lol
Thanks anyway

Banoii
Richmond

by janilye on 2012-03-26 11:55:47

The Sydney Morning Herald, Saturday 8 September 1934

ODBERT- KIDDLE -August 11 1934, at St. John's Church of England, Parramatta, Lionel, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. A. E. Odbert of Hurlstone Park, to Constance, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. B. Kiddle, of Girraween.

by janilye on 2012-03-26 13:01:49

Here are a few little things which may help.

The B KIDDLE is Barnett Kiddle;
bd&m.nsw DEATHS;
12146/1936 KIDDLE BARNETT JAMES ROSANNA PARRAMATTA

The Sydney Morning Herald, Wednesday 15 April 1936
DEATHS

KIDDLE.-April 14, 1936, at his residence, 140 Glrraween-road, Girraween, Barnett Kiddle, dearly loved husband of Emma and loved father of Constance (Mrs. L. E. Odbert), aged 64 years
FUNERAL:
KIDDLE.-The relatives and Friends of Mrs. E. KIDDLE and Mr. and Mrs. L. E. ODBERT of 140 Girraween-road, Girraween, are invited to kindly attend the Funeral of her dearly loved HUSBAND, her FATHER and his FATHER-IN-LAW, Barnett Kiddle (late of Eveleigh Workshop), which is appointed to leave his late residence, 140 Glrraween-road, Girraween, THIS (Wednesday) AFTERNOON , at 2.30, for the Church of England Cemetery, Prospect. (Prospect bus leaves Parramatta at 1.56
CHARLES INNES and SON Funeral Directors

The Sydney Morning Herald, Wednesday 21 May 1941
BIRTHS:

ODBERT (nee Kiddle) -May 14 at Malabar Prlvate hospital, Wentworthville, to Mr. and Mrs.L. E. C. Odbert of Girraween-a daughter (Anne Patricia)
ODBERT (nee Kiddle).-April S. al Aloha private hospital. Parramatta, to Mr. and Mrs. L. E. C. Odbert. of Girraween- a son (John Dennis).


A.E.Odbert is Alfred Edward ODBERT:
bd&m.nsw DEATHS;
10448/1955 ODBERT ALFRED EDWARD JOSEPH OLIVIA MARRICKVILLE

12016/1966 ODBERT GRACE FERRIER JOSEPH ARTHUR WINIFRED MARIA G PARRAMATTA

Grace Ferrier and Alfred Edward reside in the same house at 73 Acton St., Hurlston Park on the 1933 to 1954 Electoral Rolls he is a 'Traveller'. I assume they are married. and the only A. E. Odbert I can find, In the Electoral Roll of 1937 Roll there is a Vernon Odbert living with them, a 'Mercer'

As for Ordia I don't suppose it's a transcription error? I've not heard of the name before thought perhaps it should be Olivia or something. All I can conclude is, she either died or changed it.

by asheppard on 2012-03-26 20:23:19

Alfred Edward Odbert and Grace Ferrier O'Brien are Lionel E. C. Odbert's parents they were married in Petersham in 1909.

Just a thought on Ordia, are there any similar names in the family line, Ordia could be Cordia a shortened form of Cordelia, but I guess we will have to wait and see what the certificate actually says.

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