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PEOPLE WHO HELPED ME TO GROW TULLAMARINE'S WRITTEN HISTORY FROM THE 1.5 FOOLSCAP PAGES THAT EXISTED IN AUGUST 1988.

Journal by itellya

I knew nothing about trove and in fact nothing about computers or the pioneers of Tullamarine when Gordon Henwood told me to see John Fenton who gave me a list of a dozen names of descendants of those pioneers. Those people then referred me to others as well as supplying information and documents that would never have been found on trove. It was probably Olive Nash or Alma Koch who put me into contact with Gordon Connor. It was a rapidly expanding snowball of informants.

GORDON CONNOR.
EventBirth Event registration number18326 Registration year1899
Personal information
Family nameCONNOR Given namesGordon SexUnknown Father's nameJos Mother's nameAmelia (Nash) Place of birthESDON

Gordon's father was a bootmaker at Moonee Ponds and at Christmas would go to the Nash farm at Fairview to help with the hay harvest. Gordon remembered that Cam Taylor's farm (later the original section of Essendon Aerodrome) was green when all the surrounding pasture was as dry as a bone because of Essendon's nightsoil being dumped there, fields of golden hay as far as the eye could see, and George Mansfield building the Dalkeith homestead in about 1910 (which has since been confirmed on trove.)

A feature on the Bulla road that Gordon told me about was the Travellers' Rest Hotel which he described as being near the garage near the Airport West Shoppingtown. Whether the charred remains were still there three or so years after its destruction in the year of Gordon's birth when Gordon was old enough to ask what it had been, or his father just pointed out the site to him, I was able to confirm the site from titles information in my EARLY LANDOWNERS: PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA*.

FIRE AT TULLAMARINE.
AN HOTEL DESTROYED
A fire broke out at 23 minutes past 3
a.m. on Sunday at the Travellers' Rest
Hotel Bulla road, Tullamarine of which
Mr E.J. Wilson is the licensee. The
building was a wood and iron structure,
one- storey, and contained nine rooms. A
firm hold was obtained by the flames, and
the efforts of four hose carts and 14 men
with hand pumps failed to save it from
total destruction. There was no insurance
on the building, which was the property of
Mr J Howse. The contents, however,
were insured for (£100?). (P.6, Argus, 4-12-1899.)

* This was the Travellers’ Rest Hotel, which was located on the block bounded by Dromana Ave, Louis St, Rodd St and Matthews Ave (from location described in Volume 29 folio 783). It was destroyed by fire on 3-12-1899.
The occupancy of 22c, which contains most of Westfield Shoppingtown, had not changed much in 1900; Sam. Mansfield had 68 acres, J.B.Howse, by now the owner of John Hall’s South Wait, had 40 acres and Edmund Tucker had the 9 acres on which the old pub had stood.

OLIVE NASH.
Olive was the daughter of Tullamarine's postmistress and the Nash family of Fairview was probably wondering why Harry was all of a sudden so keen to check if there was any mail at the post office.

EventMarriage Event registration number8699 Registration year1928
Personal information
Family nameNASH Given namesHy Alexander SexUnknown Spouse's family nameSIMMONS Spouse's given namesOlive Ricketts

Like the original Mrs Nash of Fairview (nee Mary Gage of Broadmeadows Township), Olive was doomed to a long widowhood. Harry who had been a leader of the community, such as his truck carrying the fire-fighting tank, dying 26 years before I interviewed Olive and her old friend, Joyce Morgan, in 1989.

EventDeath Event registration number1524 Registration year1963
Personal information
Family nameNASH Given namesHenry Alexander SexMale Father's nameNASH Charles Mother's nameEllen Eliza (Parr) Place of birthTullamarine Place of deathParkville Age61

Olive supplied many photos which were included in my 1989 and 1998 histories, unfortunately, as poor quality photo copies, but luckily I later scanned her photo of the Fairview homestead. See:
PHOTO OF "FAIRVIEW" HOMESTEAD.

It was Olive who led me to Alma Koch.

ALMA KOCH.
Alma was the grand daughter of Charles Nash Snr who had established Fairview in 1852 and married Mary Gage two years later. Her father was Mark Cooper, after whom part of Black St was renamed Coopers Hill Drive by the City of Broadmeadows, probably at the suggestion of Cr Ed. Hoctor who introduced me to Jack Hoctor. Alma told me about walking across Percy Judd's Chandos Park as a child to visit Grandma (Mary) Nash at Fairview and enabled me to draw a map of the portion of Broadmeadows Township in the parish of Tullamarine, between Forman St and the Moonee Ponds Creek, showing the land farmed by her father. She'd obviously been kept in the dark about her father's suicide. But it was her husband Fred who provided the greatest information that will never be found on the internet. After their marriage, Fred moved into their house in Forman St, part of the boundary between Broadmeadows Township and "Gladstone" which Stanley Korman bought from F.N.Levin as detailed in Andrew Lemon's BROADMEADOWS: A FORGOTTEN HISTORY.

Korman went broke which resulted in many shareholders in his companies losing their life savings so I'd regarded him as a villain until Fred explained why he went broke. Korman's grand plan on page 197 of Lemon's book would have become a reality in the mid 1950's if the M.M.B.W. had not refused to extend the water mains to what became a decade later Costain and Jennings' GLADSTONE PARK. Fred learned this during a chat with Korman across the boundary fence and had the greatest admiration for Korman.

EventMarriage Event registration number12347 Registration year1936
Personal information
Family nameCOOPER Given namesAlma Flor SexUnknown Spouse's family nameKOCH Spouse's given namesFredk Jas

EventBirth Event registration number26158 Registration year1911
Personal information
Family nameCOOPER Given namesAlma Flor SexUnknown Father's nameMark Mother's nameEllen (Nash) Place of birthBROADMEADOWS

EventDeath Event registration number23913 Registration year1972
Personal information
Family nameCOOPER Given namesEllen SexFemale Father's nameNASH Charles Mother's nameMary (Gage) Place of birthTullamarine Place of deathGreenvale Age96


COLIN WILLIAMS.
While reading page 45 of WHERE BIG BIRDS SOAR, I discovered that Colin had actually named his parents as Bill and Marion and that I had the wrong birth record for Colin. Why he was born at Maldon is unknown; perhaps his mother's family was there. (Marion Agnes was born at Majorca in 1867 and married in 1888, the year that they moved to Tullamarine. The distance from Majorca to Maldon is (39.2 km) via Baringhup Rd.)

EventBirth Event registration number21411 Registration year1896
Personal information
Family nameWILLIAMS Given namesCollin Andrew SexMale Father's nameWm Thos Mother's nameMarion Agnes (Barr) Place of birthMALDON

I was told about Colin by Gordon Connor and I drove Gordon out to the Salvation Army Aged Care facility in the eastern suburbs where Colin resided so the two old mates could have a chin wag.Colin's parents followed my great grandfather, John Cock, on Broombank which occupied the Melrose Drive frontage from a point opposite the Catherine Avenue corner to the Derby St corner. My G.G.F. had warned them about ghosts in the house. Timothy Hoctor was employed by Colin's parents, (BILL AND MARION!*) and as farmers started and ended their working day in the dark they suggested that he could sleep in the barn rather than walk home to the township every night. He only lasted one night, a sleepless night due to the rats and refused their hospitality stating, "I'll not sleep here one more night or I'm likely to wake up and find myself dead entirely!" (P.45 WHERE BIG BIRDS SOAR.)

It was Colin who first made me aware of Alec Rasmussen, the first of the three men I have named as Tullamarine's three great leaders, and helped to inspire two poems.

TULLAMARINE SCHOOL 2613.
From school 632 near Nash's "Bayview",
To Seafield 546 which also had pupils few,
Rushed the teacher at lunchtime for half a year,
Till notice was taken of a common idea.

In June '84 the schools in Grants Lane and near the junction
Closed down and school 2613 took over their function;
For the new school John Blanche offered a site.
But because of the Beech Tree, Ware said,"It's not right."

A site farther north was eventually found,
At Conders Lane, on Love's, for thirty pounds,
And there the school stood for seventy six years,
Full of much happiness and occasional tears.

In nineteen o6 came the Mansfield demise;
Miss Rowe told her pupils with tears in her eyes.
Mr Rogers took over when she met "Mr Wright",
Then an accident happened that caused a real fright.

Colin Williams fainted after lunch at the school;
The teacher first thought he was playing the fool.
When 'twas found that he'd hit his head on a rock,
To the post office they flew to ring Essendon's doc.

Who in twenty minutes was tending the head
That almost rendered Colin Williams dead.
It took six whole months before the problem was licked;
Meanwhile Col. heard rumours of a teacher so strict!

Alec Rasmussen came in nineteen hundred and nine
And spared no effort bringing brats into line.
Colin was scared to go back to school
As a result of stories of the teacher's stern rule.

But Alec Rasmussen a tyrant was not
And all of his pupils admired him a lot.
He gave them all an education sound;
His picnics and community work were renowned.

Wally Mansfield and his mates emptied the pan
In a hole that they'd dug; then they teased and they ran,
Jumped over their disguised pit and those in pursuit
Fell into the mess; the smell wasn't so beaut!

Around 1930 another teacher was seen,
The grandfather of our Leo Dineen
Who did so much for Tulla forty years later;
No man's contribution could ever be greater.

So many families through its portals have passed
That many were sad when its end came at last.
In the 60's the jetport swallowed up its abode
But its pupils remember the school up the road.

TO WHOM WE LOOKED.
Although ours was a small population
On councils we had good representation:
Grant, Ritchie, Nash, Cock, Fox, Parr and son,
The McNabs and Lockhart were some who got things done.

But in the district around Tullamarine,
Such fine leaders ne'er were seen
As Rasmussen, Murphy and Dineen.

Alec Rasmussen much progress did inspire
When the T.P.A.met around an open fire
On the oval he suggested that they buy.
The saleyards bid was a well-planned try.
The Pioneers' Roll was presented in 1935
To keep the district's heritage alive.

The Major organised more suitable abodes
For a church and two monuments along the roads,
Planned preventative measures against dangers fiery,
Represented people at every enquiry.
He was honoured most highly for his work with the scouts
But removed from our presence at the hands of some louts.

Leo Dineen was a man with vision and skills
To make a fine oval from rat drains and hills.
With Hedger, Garnar, Boots, he worked hard for our hall;
He started each sport club that plays with a ball.

Yet where are the streets and ovals after them named?
Till something is done, we should all be ashamed.

POSTSCRIPT 2017. The Spring St Reserve is now officially named the Leo Dineen Reserve and a plaque installed on a boulder at the Melrose Drive Reserve honours Alec Rasmussen's earlier contribution to the community.

COLIN WILLIAMS DIED ON 15-10-1989*, ENDING AN ASSOCIATION WITH TULLAMARINE THAT HIS PARENTS BEGAN IN 1888.
(*P.24, WHERE BIG BIRD SOAR.)

SYD LLOYD.
EventBirth Event registration number901 Registration year1916
Personal information
Family nameLLOYD Given namesSydney Evans SexUnknown Father's nameWm Morris Mother's nameSarah Elzth (Smith) Place of birthBERWICK

Syd took me for a road tour, allowed me to photocopy his slightly younger brother, George Morris Lloyd's MICKLEHAM ROAD 1920-1952, told me about Bill Stoney's house in Mickleham Rd and the Lloyd & Denham marital connection to Hughie Williamson's family of "Dunvegan", Greenvale, and introduced me to Bob Blackwell who was a fund of information about Bulla and Greenvale.

BOB BLACKWELL.
EventBirth Event registration number18335 Registration year1916
Personal information
Family nameBLACKWELL Given namesRobt Arth SexUnknown Father's nameJoseph Jno Mother's nameElizth (Bedford) Place of birthBULLA

Bob took me on a road tour, including 5 foot 2 Gilbert Alston's house at Bulla with a very low doorway which was no problem for his maternal grandfather William Bedford who followed Gilbert as the owner and was also 5 foot 2, Felix Fitgerald's well dome built by William Bedford and Dunhelen where Bob's paternal grandfather,William Blackwell, who'd downed a few at Lavars' hotel on the way back from Melbourne despite being warned not to, stood up on the wagon as it approached the homestead and shouted, "Nobody can say I'm drunk!"* which had Dunhelen's owner in such a fit of laughter he forgot to fire William, after whom Blackwells Lane was named. Bob told me about Dunalister, where he was the manager until the new owner decided to rename the property as Balbethan** and allowed Bob to use the old name for a poll shorthorn stud he established in Elmore. He showed me the wrought iron surround which Gilbert Alston, Bulla's blacksmith, had made for his own grave. Bob's information alone could have filled a book and was used in many entries in my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND.

*GOOD ONE WILLIAM

**Place: Balbethan Stud Homestead - Hume City Council
www.hume.vic.gov.au/files/.../Balbethan_Stud_Homestead_Oaklands_Junction.pdf
Balbethan Stud, formerly Dunalister homestead, erected in about the late ... This homestead is located on Section 9 of the Parish of Bulla Bulla, which was first.

JACK HOCTOR.
Jack's birth record does not seem to have been entered on Victorian BDM. He used to walk from Broadmeadows Township (Westmeadows south of Kenny St.) to the Broadmeadows Army Camp with goodies his mother had cooked for his older brother who had enlisted, so he'd probably been born in the first decade of the 1900's. I was introduced to him by Eddie Hoctor who had been president of the Doutta Stars Football Club when I played with them in the early 1970's and Mayor of the City of Broadmeadows. If I remember correctly, Jack's father was Timothy Hoctor, probably the same Timothy mentioned in Colin Williams' hilarious anecdote.

Timothy had been accused of pressuring a member of the pioneering Kingshott family to enlist.

The Essendon Gazette and Keilor, Bulla and Broadmeadows Reporter (Moonee Ponds, Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Thursday 16 March 1916 p 3 Article
CORRESPONDENCE
RECRUITING.
(To the Editor.)
Sir - Kindly allot me space in your columns to contradict the rumour current in this district to the effect that
I induced O. Kingshott to enlist. I would like to say here for the benefit of those who think they have an axe
to grind, that O. Kingshott enlisted of his own free will, and not through any inducement of mine. With all respect due to the man who has decided to fight for his country, I think it is time those others concerned, who make the balls in the dark, should come out in the light and fire them. It is hardly fair at this time that one of two knock kneed patriots, conscious of their shortcomings, should seek to side-step their own shufflings by holding their neighbour up to ridicule.--Yours, etc.
TIMOTHY P. HOCTOR.
Broadmeadows, 14/13/16.

Jack Hoctor informed me of the sale of the Dundonald Estate in 1929*, and told me about the Hoctor farm "Broomielaw" on Pascoe Vale Rd, his birth in the heritage listed coach house on the Broad St corner in the township and Nurse Mitchell who TOOK CHARGE at the birth of many township babies.

*Jack knew nothing about the detail of the sale in George Lloyd's history and thus independently confirmed it.

Here's some detail that Jack and other sources, such as George Lloyd's MICKLEHAM ROAD 1920-1952, provided about Broadmeadows Township which inspired a poem.

John Kingshott and his (brother?) operated smithies over the road from each other. Ted Wright took over the one on the garage site (I'd better say the east corner of Coopers Hill Drive, formerly Black St, and Fawkner St because of the way that service stations are disappearing today)and operated as a wheelwright. (George?)Kingshott had his forge on the site of the fruit Mart across Fawkner St. Once when a customer had left a horse to be shod the next morning, George was taken aback to discover it had changed colour overnight, courtesy of some local rascals and their whitewash. John Kingshott was appointed to the school committee so that it would not consist entirely of Presbyterians.

The Broadmeadows Hotel was on the present site with the Victoria Hotel a few yards further up the Ardlie St hill. The latter burnt down in about 1870 and Henry Franklin, the baker, built the Franklins Hotel on the west corner of Fawkner and Bent Sts. Jack Hoctor mistakenly believed that this was named after Sir John Franklin. This hotel also burnt down and the bluestone was used to build the vestry at St Pauls. When town houses were being built on the Bent St corner, the owner discovered the bluestone blocks lining the hotel's cellar; they are still there!

Jack Hoctor was the township's lamplighter and delivered bread for Anderson's bakery between the Oddfellows' Hall and the historic (1869?) bluestone bridge. Anderson's bakery and the old Coach House on the Broad St corner (where Jack was born) remain as reminders of the quiet village. Bob Cargill was the son of one of the township's original butchers. He lived on the north side of Raleigh St near St Pauls and his Victorian house remains. Like all butchers, he had a gum branch to swish flies away from his cutting cart. The death of Bob's young son caused great sadness in the town but he was buried at Bulla! It was assumed in the early days that if you lived near Broadmeadows you were a Scot and as far as I know, the Will Will Rook cemetery (Melway 7 B9)had no sections for each denomination as was the norm. For this reason, many Catholics from Broadmeadows were buried at Keilor or Bulla. The boy was killed when another boy's gun discharged accidentally on a rabbit hunt. The other boy's family (Gra--) felt so uncomfortable that they moved to near the site of the E.J.Whitten bridge.

Boundy's store was where the milk bar operates near the bridge and bike track. As well as cash trade, they operated a barter system whereby a local could, for example, supply eggs to buy goods.(George?) later expanded to Keilor Rd.

Mark Cooper's pioneering endeavours are recalled by Coopers Hill Drive. He was a farmer and related to the family of Charles Nash of Fairview (Melway 5 F6.). Nurse Mitchell was one tough lady. Once she entered the house and rolled up her sleeves, the most domineering husband became a compliant assistant or quickly disappeared, whichever was required. Jim Ahearn was the old-fashioned type of policeman who saved the time of busy magistrates by applying his boot to the backside of any youths who were getting out of hand; and those same rascals loved him for putting them on the right path.

BROADMEADOWS NESTLES.
'Twas known as Broadmeadows till the days of the trains
In a picturesque valley cut through the plains.
The ancient St Pauls upon the hill
Looks down on the township which slumbers still.

Kingshott and Ted Wright made their anvils sing;
The Broady and Franklins for having a fling!
Jack Hoctor brought bread and Cargill the meat,
While Boundy's sold a range of goods very complete.

Mark Cooper had much land south of the creek.
When babies were due, Nurse Mitchell we'd seek.
Jim Ahearn was the man who kept peace in the town;
Albert Cook, Shire Secretary of well-won renown.

Up the hill going Greenvale way
Were the Orrs on Kia Ora growing hay:
The Campbells, Hatty, Attwood and Harry Swain
And Bob Jefferies' farm past Dench's Lane.

The monument stands where the windmill once stood.
Our boys went to war to prove their manhood
But grief came to parents, son or daughter;
At Gallipoli they were led like lambs to the slaughter.

On the tops of the hills, subdivisions grow fast,
But the township retains the charms of the past.

HARRY HEAPS.
EventMarriage Event registration number19320 Registration year1942
Personal information
Family nameHEAPS Given namesHarry SexUnknown Spouse's family nameROBINSON Spouse's given namesOlive Alice Emily

Harry Heaps came to Tullamarine in 1923 as a twelve year old,his family settling as pig farmers on Wallis Wright's old Sunnyside in Wright St near the Moonee Ponds Creek and east of Harry Nash's Fairview. Young Harry,a nuggety rover, helped to plant the pines around Noah Holland's old 6 acres south of Handlen's house,which The Tullamarine Progress Association acquired and donated to the Broadmeadows Shire at the suggestion of Alec Rasmussen, and is now the Tullamarine Reserve. When he married he moved to a block now occupied by Strathconnan Square (which Harry named for the farm across Derby St.) where he changed to poultry farming.

It's just as well that I had a video camera when I interviewed Harry because he had a story a minute. When a juicy one came up,he'd preface it with, "I shouldn't say this, but..." I remember giving the family a copy of the interview.They'd still be chuckling at the bit when Olive walked in and announced to the camera,"Would you like a cup of tea?" Good old Harry and Olive!

Dr Arun Chandu was writing a thesis about Melbourne Airport and I'd been helping him for some time. He asked:

Do you remember where you got this from?

'An aeroplane race from the Essendon Airport to the Inverness Hotel in the 1930's resulted in a huge fire when a plane crashed, bringing down power lines." Can't find anything about it on trove. I am assuming it was the aero club's race.

Of course it was just another of Harry's anecdotes. The locals probably assumed that it was another Victorian Aero Club race.

FLYING ACCIDENT.

This photograph shows all that remained of the Moth aeroplane, in which Mr. Brian Rhodes and Mr. Alfred Heaton crashed near the Essendon aerodrome yesterday. The fabric of the machine had been completely burnt, and pieces of molten metal lay about the ground. On the left is the battered petrol tank; in the centre are the engine and one of the landing wheels, and on the right is the metal portion of one of the wings. P.8, Argus, 27-12-1928.)

The map on page 7 shows that although understanding of the location of the relatively new St. John's Field/ Essendon Aerodrome was fairly vague, the crash happened at the south east corner of Tommy Loft's "Dalkeith".

WALLY MANSFIELD.
Walter George Mansfield b.30-7-1909 d. 29-7-1992. (P.588 THE DAVID MANSFIELD STORY, Neil Hamilton Mansfield.)

Although Wally thought that the later Mansfield home was Allas instead of Glenalice, his anecdotes were so great that I was inspired to write them in verse, such as DEATH AT BERTRAM'S FORD, THE STUDEBAKER, THE WISDOM OF SOLOMON and this one about cunning David Mansfield.


RITCHIE'S FOE
A river frontage came up for sale
Near Aucholzie’s in Deep Creek’s vale.
Malcolm Ritchie determined this prize to win;
“I’ll outbid Mansfield!” he swore with a grin.

When the auction began, the bidding was keen
But David Mansfield was nowhere seen;
Soon Ritchie had all his opponents licked
Apart from a swagman most derelict.

Ritchie bid with cunning stealth.
“This ragged fool can’t have much wealth,”
He thought, “It won’t be long,
And I’ll snap this land up for a song!”

The question then came, “Are you all done?
Has Malcolm Ritchie this prize land won?”
But the stranger’s hand was raised again
And a hush came over the assembled men.

The swaggie’s bids, forever higher,
Saw Ritchie’s iron resolve expire;
From the stranger then, the last bid came.
“The property’s yours sir! Now what’s your name?”

All faces turned to this ill-clad bloke,
Waiting expectantly until he spoke.
Ritchie’s anger was scarce concealed,
His blood flow stopped, he almost keeled,
As a lift of the hat, the stranger’s face revealed
And everyone gasped, “It’s David Mansfield!”

WINNIE LEWIS.
According to Neil Mansfield's THE DAVID MANSFIELD STORY, Winnie, born in 1918 and named Freda May Parr, was the daughter of Samuel Noah Parr and Florence Maria, nee Wright. She married Gordon Lewis and was living in Collins St, North Essendon in 1989. She supplied much information including that she'd grown up at The Elms outside which was the 10 mile post from Melbourne and the Oaklands Hunt used to ride through this property and her Uncle Bill Parr's property (Annandale) which adjoined it. Unfortunately her birth and marriage records have not been entered on Victorian BDM.

By far, Winnie's greatest contribution to the celebration of Tullamarine's fascinating history was her black book. She was responsible for contacting all of the pre-suburban Tullamarine residents who attended the 1989 and 1998 reunions at the Spring St hall while Leo Dineen contacted all the later residents before 1971 that I did not personally know.


KEITH MCNAB.
No birth record can be found for Keith but the caption under the photo of him at the field day at Tullamarine in 1935 stated that he was three years old.
LITTLE KEITHY

As Keith's place in May St was only 5 minutes walk from my place in Dorothy St, I probably pumped him for information more than any other of my informants. On my first visit, he produced the article about THE CLAN McNAB written in about 1960 when Oakbank was purchased for airport purposes. He was a wizard on names of properties in the area and could spin a yarn as well, like Harry Heaps and Wally Mansfield. One of the Fox boys didn't use a whip if his horses were a bit lazy when delivering milk to Hogan's dairy in Queen St at the south corner of Mt Alexander and Keilor Rds in Nth Essendon; he'd just fire a couple of mud balls that he'd scraped off his gumboots. Cornelius Peter Blom, a journalist who farmed the second Victoria Bank on the north side of Barbiston Rd used to arrive home from work in a chartered bus. When electricity became available, the McNab brothers didn't bother getting the Oakbank homestead wired and would listen to a radio which was powered by a car battery.

Keith supplied a thorough genealogy of the McNab Clan and information about their properties.

Gary Vines contacted me in 2014. It turned out that he was doing an archeological survey of land along Mansfields and Barbiston roads which will become part of Melbourne Airport to allow construction of the second E-W runway. One of the sources that Gary emailed me was an ordnance map which had the original Mansfield residence, Roseleigh, wrongly labelled Victoria Bank (see attached map.) Information supplied by Keith and Neil Hamilton Mansfield enabled me to explain to Gary why this was wrong.

Dear ---,
I have had your comments on the Tullamarine study passed on to me and they make fascinating reading, although I have to confess, I am still mightily confused as to the various owners of properties in the area. While there are references to the area around Tullamarine Township, I am presently most concerned about the remaining building ruins on blocks in Sections VIII, IX, XIII, XIV & XVII – i.e. the land between the runways and Maribyrnong River. I note your remarks about Rosebank/Roseleigh and the identification of the second Victoria Bank, but I wonder what your view is of the 1930s Army Ordnance Map that shows buildings on Mansfield Rd labelled 'Victoria Bank', which has possibly led David Moloney and myself astray.

I put Gary and Neil in touch with each other.

From: [email protected]
Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎23‎ ‎June‎ ‎2014 ‎11‎:‎19
To: Neil Mansfield

Thanks for the information and pictures Neil.

Unfortunately the airport people demolished the house some time ago. We are only looking at the site for possible archaeological features now.

We are also looking at Glen Alice, the McNab's Victoria Bank, Seafield and Oakbank, Barbiston, Aucholzie, a stone ruin near the Glenara dam, and a stone ruin on the bend of the river at the west end of Mansfield Road, that --- ---- has suggested was Gray/Grey's farm.

This last one is interesting as it may be related to Fawkner's land company.

Would it be OK for us to use your photos in our report on the area (with proper acknowledgment of course) We hope to get the Airport management to at least do some interpretation of the history of the area.

All the best

Gary

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