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Philp, Wherly and Cowling.North-East England

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on 2012-06-14 14:56:21

Ledeux , from Bracknell, Berkshire but born South Shields, was Co. Durham now Tyne and Wear, has been a Family Tree Circles member since Jun 2012.

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by Ledeux on 2012-06-14 14:59:03

PHILP. People often mis-spell the name. Wherly comes from North of the Tyne I believe. My Great grandparents, Wherly, had a jewellery and goldsmiths business

by SilverVixen on 2012-06-15 05:15:10

In the 1851 UK census There is a Sylvester Wherly born Germany in 1812 who was a watchmaker jeweller married to Sarah with 6 children. They were living in Newgate Street, Bishop Aukland, Durham. In the same census there is a Felix Wherly a clockmaker born Germany 1817 living in Tynemouth, Northumberland. There are a few other Wherly's living in Scotland, Devon, Somerset and Dorset.

by Ledeux on 2012-06-15 11:42:25

/my father, John Arthur Philp, spoke of Sylvester Wherly, a cousin, an architect, who was asked to submit plans to rebuild San Francisco after the 1904 earthquake.
Thank you for your comments. My grandmother, Constance Isabella Wherly, born 1872?, married a George Philp around 1900
Can I return the compliment and help you with information?

by SilverVixen on 2012-06-15 14:38:04

Your Grandmother married George Arthur Philp in 1902, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland Q2 10B 240 ; this reference is in case you want to order a copy of the certificate. If you want to send me a private message with your email address I will send you the census for Sylvester and Felix. Assuming you live in the states the only American information I am looking for is Pawson Culley (1892), his wife Mary (1896) and their children Leonard (1919), Alan (1923) and William (1927). They went to America in 1923, Pawson is in the 1930 and 1940 New York census. His wife died in USA (when) he remarried but came back to UK (when) with son's Alan & Leonard who all died in UK. One of life's intrigues.

by Ledeux on 2012-06-15 15:38:08

You are so very kind! Unfortunately I live in the UK in the south of England although I was brought up in the North-East.
Neither the surname Wherly or the surname Philp(my maiden name) areas uncommon as I had thought they were!

My email address:- pattismudge@yahoo.co.uk

Thank you

by Ledeux on 2012-06-16 23:17:47

Searching for Cecil Stephenson Philp, my uncle,died 1973. Maybe named after Silvester Stevenson Wherly, an architect, origins poss Germany.

by Ledeux on 2012-06-17 05:11:44

Maybe made error. I believe named after Uncle Charlie! Charles Stevenson Philp of Tynemouth

by Ledeux on 2012-06-17 10:11:35

Maybe made error. I believe named after Uncle Charlie! Charles Stevenson Philp of Tynemouth

by asheppard on 2012-06-18 00:23:46

1911 Census

for your Grandmother Constance Isabella Philp nee Wherly

Household Members: 21 Grace Street Newcastle Upon Tyne
Name Age
George Arthur Philp 31 b Newcastle Shorthand Writer & Typist for Post Office
Constance Isabella wife,39 b Tynemouth married 8yrs 4children
John Arthur son, 7 b Newcastle (your father)
>>>>Cecil Stephenson son,6 b Newcastle
Winifred Mary daug, 3 b Newcastle
Constance Margaret daug,2months b Newcastle

(Stephenson spelling incorrect on Census)

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
Philp Cecil Stevenson Newcastle T 10b 43

'Stevenson' Constance mothers maiden name

by Ledeux on 2012-06-18 04:23:01

Thank you so much for your invaluable information. I am off to work soon but will reply in more depth later,

by Ledeux on 2012-06-18 08:53:06

Constance Margaret, baby, would have been my Auntie Margie who had mental health problems all her life. She married a Mr ? Naylor and had 2 or 3 children.. This is so wonderfully intriguing. Thank you for your research and hard work.

by Ledeux on 2012-06-18 09:01:38

Just remembered another interesting fact! My father's younger brother, (probably half-brother) Allen George Philp. My grandfather, George Arthur Philp, committed bigamy when my father was 15 or 16 and I have been told my father ad to stand before York Assizes to swear tat he was a child of the marriage .
I came into a very small inheritance a few years ago. Fraser and Fraser probate research people tactfully gave me the impression that his side would not inherit but didn't explain why. His personality was quite different from my father's

by Ledeux on 2012-06-18 09:03:12

N.B. Winifred Mary died tragically about the age of 11 by falling over the cliff.

by Ledeux on 2012-06-19 17:24:41

Has anyone any more information for me. Very quiet now!

by Ledeux on 2012-06-19 17:25:43

Has anyone any more information for me. Very quiet now!

by Ledeux on 2012-06-21 08:59:01

Seeking information about y grandfather, George Arthur Philp and his father, Robert. Born 1880 Newcastlevupon Tyne. There was some connection with Islington and Hackney.
The Cowling family. My mother, Jennie Hunter Philp neeCowling, born 8th March 1909, South Shields. Siblings Robert Cowling, Watson Cowling, Jack Cowling ( emigrated to Canada from Mercant Navy ) Leslie Cowling and Gladys Cowling. Father Samuel Watson Cowling and their mother, my grandmother. I believe Jane Elizabeth

by asheppard on 2012-06-21 20:05:15

Cowling Family

1911 Census
Jane Elizabeth Cowling married 17years 8 children 6 living 2 deceased
4 Darenth St Tyne Dock

Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Elizabeth Cowling 35
Robert Crawford Cowling 16 - Miner
Gladys May Cowling 12
John Cowling 8
Watson Cowling 4
Jennie Hunter Cowling 2
Leslie Cowling 4/12

all born Tyne Dock Durham

One of the deceased children

Dorothy Hunter Cowling b Dec 1899 S. Shields d Dec 1901 S.Shields

Jane Elizabeth Crawford married Samuel Watson Sept 1894 S.Shields

Jane's parents
Robert Crawford & Elizabeth Jane Hunter married Sept 1857 Gateshead

Robert Born 1838 S.Shields
Elizabeth born 1842 S.Shields

Samuel's parents
John Cowling & Elizabeth Anne Watson married Dec 1875 Sunderland Durham

John born 1855 Sunderland
Elizabeth born 1856 Helton Le Hole

George Arthur Philp's parents
Robert James Philp and Mary Lightfoot married June 1875 Newcastle upon Tyne

Robert born 1851 London Middlesex
Mary born 1846 Durham

Birth, Death & Marriage and GRO numbers are available at freebmd.uk.org


Can't find much on Samuel Watson Cowling his Birth, 1881 Census and UK Incoming

Births Jun 1876 (>99%)
COWLING Samuel Watson Sunderland 10a 728

1881 Census
22 Green Lane N E Co Houses

Household Members:
Name Age
John Cowling 25 b Railway Guard
Elizabeth A. Cowling 24
Samuel W. Cowling 4
George Cowling 1
Ethel Cowling one month
Sarah Watson 55 (mother in law)
Ellen Watson 23 (sister) - Elizabeth's

and this entry

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Samuel watson Cowling
Name: Samuel Watson Cowling
Birth Date: abt 1876
Age: 50
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 28 May 1926
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: Zeelandia
Search Ship Database: View the 'Zeelandia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Royal Holland Lloyd Line
Official Number: 467

Occupation listed as Engineer

Other than these I can't find anything else.

by Ledeux on 2012-06-22 00:51:26

Thank you. You have helped a lot, my grandfather, Samuel Watson Cowling, was a Chief Engineer and at one time served on the ship which broughtbErnest Shackleton's body back from South Georgia. He apparently fell overboard and died but my father believed that he committed suicide because of the terrible things he had witnessed during the first World War!

by Ledeux on 2012-06-22 11:53:15

The name of one of Samuel Watson Cowling's ships was S.S. Glenmorvan, a whaler, I think.

by Ledeux on 2012-07-03 17:04:03

Looking for more information on my grandfather, Samuel Watson Cowling, born June 1876 , Sunderland and his seafaring connections. He was a Chief Engineer and had some connection with the explorer, Ernest Shackleton, his ship apparently bringing back Shackleton's body from (or to?) South Georgia.

by Ledeux on 2014-02-09 15:48:12

Any information re Samuel Watson Cowling, my grandfather, born June 1876 and died at sea the last information I have is that he was badly affected by what he saw in the Dardanelles in World War One and may have committed suicide!

by Pad on 2014-02-23 14:56:34

My Dad was Watson Cowling. His Dad was a ships engineer and was lost at sea. I have a photograph of his Dad that has been made into a post card which gives the date of death as April and either1907 or 1927 (not possible to make out for sure). His brother John was known as Jack and lived in Canada (Vancouver).

by Ledeux on 2014-02-23 22:05:45

As per previous Family Circle memo. My grandfather died at sea and his death would probably have been 1927 as he had children born as late as 1910/11 . Uncle Jack lived in Vancouver and had two children by his first wife, Isabel. Kenneth and Jacqueline. Jacqueline married George Winram and lived in Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada. Sadly, I have lost touch with Jackie. She would be about 81 now..
My mother's siblings were Jack, Bob, Watson, Gladys and Leslie who died a few years ago in Thorpe Bay, Essex.

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