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Re Loveday family of woodville NZ originally from Forncett Norfolk England

Journal by Pattied

For any Loveday's interested in their history I am originally Patricia Loveday born in Christchurch Nz in 1931 my grandfather William came out here on ship "schiaelleon" in 1874 with 6 other children and parents James and Lydia as assisted immigrants and were original settlers in Woodville, apparently there is a street named after them. They went on to have another 8 children in NZ.
Grandad Bill as we called him was an accomplished rifleman together with his brother George and team represented New Zealand at Bisley in England. According to "Papers Past" they went in 1902 and then in 1919 he
won the coveted King's Prize and was presented to Prince Albert and chaired around the camp. My brother William now deceased inherited his ability and it has now passed on to my son Gregory.
William's brother George had 9 children, amongst them was Alan Loveday who was a famous violinist, I have a CD of him performing in Vivaldi "The four seasons" at the Academy of St Martin in the Fields" conducted by Neville Marriner in 1969. I am hoping to go to Woodville to see if I can find any more history God willing.I have a great photo of the Bisley Team in 1902 but am not sure how to post it. Pattie

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by ngairedith on 2012-07-27 23:23:54

hi Pattied,
would love to see the photo of the Bisley Team

open your journal again and down the bottom right you will see a "Browse' button.
Click this and it will open your photos on your computer. Choose the photo from where you have it stored and press 'open', then 'click to submit' on the journal

by ngairedith on 2012-07-27 23:30:19

William's parents:
James LOVEDAY & Lydia KEMP - Norfolk to Woodville

JAMES LOVEDAY and LYDIA KEMP were married in Bunwell, Norwich, Norfolk, England in May 1862 at Forncett, St Peter Norwich

... James' parents were:
John LOVEDAY (1816-1891) & Lydia HALES/HAILES (1821-1896)

... Lydia's parents were:
Daniel KEMP (1818-1870) & Mary COOPER (1816-1878)

Lydia Kemp & Daniel Kemp were siblings

JAMES & LYDIA had 7 children then on the 10th Feb 1874 they all boarded the Schichallion and arrived in Hawkes Bay on the 26th May 1874

James was 33, Lydia was 31
their children were:
* George aged 11
* Florence aged 10
* William aged 7
* Eliza aged 5
* Sarah aged 4
* James aged 2
* 9 month old Daniel died a month into the voyage having had bronchitis for 4 days

With them was:
* Lydia's mother
.. Mary Kemp, aged 58 (ship's list says 49 but it was common practise for older immigrants to lower their age)
* Lydia's siblings:
.. Frederick Kemp, aged 28 (1846-1 March 1877) with his wife Harriet aged 27 and their 3 children, 6 year old Elijah (who died in 1879 age 8), 4 year old Willie, 2 year old Harriet and a baby daughter born on board on 27 March 1874
.. Daniel Kemp, aged 24 (1849-1931)
- Daniel married Harriet GENTRY (1845-1921) in 1884, settled in Kumaora, Woodville & had 4 children. Daniel is buried in Grave 11, Block 2 at Mangatainoka with a daughter, Rosa Ellen Kemp (1888-1977. Harriet is buried Grave 41, Block 2 in Mangatainoka
.. Elizabeth Kemp, aged 19 (1855-?)
.. Edward Kemp, aged 16 (1858-1932)
- Edward married Maria LITTLE in 1886, settled in Kumeroa, Woodville 6 & had 9 known children. One of them was Frederick William Kemp
.. Elijah Kemp, aged 11 (1861-1917)
- Elijah married Emily SILK in 1885 & had 8 children

- They all settled in Woodville as part of the original Woodville Farm Settlement

James and Lydia had another 8 children in Woodville
- a total of 15 children -

... 1
GEORGE Loveday (1862 Forncett, St Peter, Norfolk England - 26-6-1925 Ohura, 51km W of Taumaruni)
- married Bessie DONEY 1887 in Woodville
- they had:
1888 - 1956 Edith Lilian Loveday
- married Peter Markus DONS in 1912
- they had a son, Markus George, who died aged 13 (1913-1926)
1890 - ? Leslie George Vivian Loveday
- Regimental Sergeant Major 10/3938 with NZEF, 37th Reinforcements B Company, 2nd Battalion, Wellington Infantry Regiment was awarded the Military Medal London Gazette 17-6-1919, page 7700, Record No. 3153. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty in the field east of Le Quesnoy, on the 4th November 1918. On every occasion this mans platoon was held up, he gallantly rushed ahead alone to clear the obstructions, thereby allowing the platoon to keep under the barrage. The successful work accomplished by his platoon was in a large measure due to this mans incomparable fearlessness and dash, which were a magnificent example to his comrades.
- Leslie married Margaret Elizabeth RICKARD (1900-?) in 1926. Margaret qualified for a Junior Scholarship in 1914 through the Wanganui Education Examination
1892 - 1964 Maude Evangeline Loveday
- married Clair Stanley WILLIAMS (1891-1921) in 1915
- Maude remarried in 1925 to Robert MILNE
1895 - 1952 Herbert Cecil Loveday
- married Edith Asinath/Asenath Margaret HASTIE (1897-?) in 1916. A daughter of Andrew John Hastie, Kaponga's first butcher and pioneers of the Waikato & Bay of Plenty with large holdings on the Waimate Plains and on whose farm near Manaia the 'Battle on Hasties Farm' took place 18 July 1886
1896 - 1949 Cyril Charles Loveday
- married Dorothy Margaret BRADY (1904-1992) in 1924
1900 - 1967 Clarence Vincent Loveday
- married Alyce/Alice Merle SHARROCK (1904-1980) in 1925

... 2
FLORENCE Loveday (1863 London, England -1931 Hawera)
- married Thomas G Henry WALKER in 1886 in Sydney NSW
- they had:
1887 John William (Aust)
1888 Ethel M (Aust)
1891 Sydney (Aust)
1892 Florence Vera
- married George Henry CROSS in 1924
1894 Olive Grace
- married Cyril MURCH in 1919
1895 Lillian Adelaide
- married John Stanley ROBERTS in 1917
1898 Francis Henry
- married Ada Nellie KENNEDY in 1920
1900 James Edgar
- married Bernice Jessie WYLIE in 1923
- married Ivy Myrtle WIDDOWSON in 1926
1901 Blanche Nina
- married Frederick Cyril PURSER in 1923
1908 Leslie Vivian
..(not all verified as theirs, apparently there was another son named Alf, but no evidence of this)..

... 3
WILLIAM Loveday (1866 Tottenham London England -1947 Palmerston North)
- married Elizabeth Winifred WALKER in 1901 Woodville
- they had:
1889 - 1932 Elizabeth Winifred Loveday
- Elizabeth married George GEE in 1911
1892 - 1980 Clara Ivy Loveday
- Clara married Albert Victor NEWMAN (1893-1983) in 1917
1902 - 1967 John Leo Loveday
- John married Eileen Rosalie SPENCER (1907-1956) in 1930
1903 - ? Constance Lydia Loveday
1905 - 2003 Ethel Vida Loveday
- Ethel married ? McDONALD
1907 - ? Grace Evelyn Loveday
(apparently another named Linda, but no evidence of this)
William Lovdeay died 5 April 1947 aged 79. His last address was Bryant St, Palmerston North. His wife Elizabeth Winifred died 3 July 1937 in Palmerston North aged 67. They are buried together PLOT 056 - BLOCK 058 at Terrace End Cemetery.

... 4
ELIZA Loveday (22-11-1868 Tottenham London England - 6-9-1931 Hamilton)
- married Francis Alfred Burdette 'Frank' Ingpen (1863-1936) in 1891 Woodville
- they had 6 daughters:
1893 - ? Ethel Ivy Ingpen
1895 - 1978 Constance Maud Ingpen
- Constance married Frederick Charles ROBINSON (1889-1977) in 1923
1897 - 1952 Edith Eliza Annie Ingpen
- married James Reginald BAIRD (1902-1983) in 1928
1899 - 1988 Grace Lydia Ingpen
- Grace married Arthur BETTLEY (1898-1944) in 1920
1903 - ? Florence May Ingpen
1907 - ? Harriet Frances Ingpen
Frank & Eliza lived in Victoria St, Hamilton. Eliza died aged 62 in 1931 & Frank died aged 77 in 1936. They are buried together in LOCATION BB-M-031 at Hamilton East Cemetery

... 5
SARAH Loveday (1869 Tottenham London England - 25-9-1940 Wellington)
- married Harry Ernest LONG (1869-1934) on 20-1-1892 Woodville, at the resiidence of James Loveday
- they had:
29-5-1892 - 19-6-1959 Flora Ida Violet Long
- married 26-4-1927 to Bert RIGGS (1893-1962)
17-12-1893 - ? Myra Mary Lydia Long
- married Joe PACKHAM
- they had a child Hilda Packman
12-8-1899 - 1979 Edna May Long
- married George Alfred John WILSON in 1924
- they had a son George Wilson
- husband George died on 13-1-1925 aged 22
- Edna later remarried to John RHODES
- they had Joy & Edna Rhodes
5-2-1902 - 1997 Nita Ruth Long
- married 1926 to William John ROBSON
- they had Shirley Robson
16 March 1911 - 1978Jack Harry Hamilton Long
- married Annette McCLOUD (1917-2011) on 6th Feb 1940 in Wellington
- their children were: Ross, Murray, Malcolm (1940-1942) & Cynthia
Harry Ernest Long was an Upholsterer. He was buried 2 August 1934 aged 65 and is buried PLOT 132P at Karori, Wellington. His wife Sarah is buried with him

... 6
JAMES Loveday (1872 England - 1906 Hamilton}
- James never married
- he died 16 January 1906 aged 33

... 7
DANIEL Loveday (1873 England -1874 at sea)
- died at sea aged 9 months on 9th March 1874, 1 month after leaving London, on board the Schichallion after having had bronchitis for 4 days

... 8
ANNIE LYDIA Loveday (1875 Woodville - 1955 Wellington)
- married Robert (Bob) PATTISON (1880-1964) in 1918
- had 2 children Robert & Isabel Pattison
Annie died 30 Jan 1955 aged 79 and was cremated at Karori. Bob died 26 March 1964 aged 83 & was also cremated at Karori

... 9
GRACE ALICE JANE Loveday (1876 Woodville - 1853)
- Grace married George Henry STYLES (1870-1930) in 1897
they had:
1900 - 1974 George Herbert Leonard Styles
1902 - 1957 Henry Albert Styles
- Grace (as Loveday) remarried to George CROSS in 1906. They had 1 child, Ian Cross
George Henry Styles was a Farmer. His last address was Sedcole St, Pahiatua. He died 13 Nov 1930 aged 60 and is buried GRAVE 8 - PLOT 10 - BLOCK 2 at Mangatainkoka. His wife, Grace, died 4 May 1933 aged 59 and is buried with him (see photo below)

... 10
JOHN Loveday (1878 - 5-2-1890 Woodville)
- John died aged 12. He is buried GRAVE 59 - BLOCK 11 at Old Gorge Cemetery with 2 year old May Loveday (1884-1887) who was very probably his sister Elizabeth Mary (see below)

... 11
MARY Loveday (1879 Woodville -1934 Hamilton)
- married Seymour Pope TRELOAR (1878-1952) in 1912 Hamilton
- they had 3 children, Irene, Mary & Seymour William (1919-1991)

... 12
LILY REBECCA Loveday (1881 Woodville - 1951 Hamilton)
- married Richard (Dick) CASEY of Claudelands, Hamilton, 5 Dec 1906 in St Mary's Church, Hamilton. She was given away by her brother George
- had 14 children, Mary, Ida, John, Richard, William, Vera, Patrick, Clifford, Ethel, Cushla, James, Mervyn, Keith & Anthony

... 12
EMILY JANE Loveday (1883 Woodville - 1947 Hamilton)
- married Victor Roy SCOTT in 1905 Hamilton
- they had:
1907 - 1976 Grace Ethel Scott
- Grace married Thomas Henry Langley BRADDOCK (1904-1985) in 1931
1908 - May Scott

... 14
ELIZABETH MARY Loveday (1884-1887 Woodville)
- there is a "May" Loveday (1884-1887) whom I believe is probably this Elizabeth Mary. She is buried at Woodville with her 12 year old brother John Loveday (see him above)

... 15
ETHEL MAUDE Loveday (1890 Woodville - 1954 Hamilton)
- married Robert Henry WHITTEN in 1913
- had 4 children, May, Norma, Robert Reginald (1918-1968) & Thelma Loveday Whitten (1920-1998)


* Apparently (from family info) James & Lydia had another child named Tots but no evidence yet found)

* Lydia's mother Mary was born Mary COOPER in 1816 in Bunwell, Norfolk, England. She emigrated to New Zealand with Lydia and family. SHe died on the 4th October 1878. According to her marriage certificate Mary's father was John Cooper, her mother was not mentioned

* James Loveday died in Avondale, Auckland on 6-2-1913 and was buried in Plot A2A-R-33 at Hamilton West Cemetery (no headstone)

* His wife Lydia died in Hamilton on 12-1-920 and was buried in Plot A3A-SW-30 Hamilton West Cemetery (which is the other end of the cemetery from James)

by Pattied on 2012-07-27 23:30:21

Hi ngairedith
Sorry but its just an old photo I have here and I will have to get one of my grandchildren to show me how to put it on the computer, then I will go from there. Pattie

by ngairedith on 2012-07-27 23:42:39

oh ok Pattie, really looking forward to seeing it

here is a beautiful photo of Alan Loveday as a child playing the violin
the article states:
... Alan Loveday, a child prodigy violinist born in Palmerston North, came to the attention of the visiting Budapest String Quartet on a New Zealand tour in the 1930s. The Quartets encouragement prompted Lovedays parents to arrange for the 10-year-old boy and his mother to travel to England on the very eve of the Second World War to seek further tuition for the gifted boy in London with violinist Albert Sammons.

Sammons was the most renowned British violinist of the day.

Lovedays career as a successful soloist, orchestral leader and teacher culminated in his pivotal role a soloist with the world-renowned Academy of St Martin-in-the-Fields, directed by his long-time colleague Sir Neville Marriner.

To this day his recording of Vivaldis Four Seasons with the Academy is regarded as one of the finest of its kind

by barbidoll on 2012-07-28 05:11:39

There is a Loveday Road between Woodville and Dannevirke. It is a dead-end road that leads off Top Grass Road, Maharahara and runs toward the foot of the Ruahine Ranges. I lived on the farm for a period ( 1963-1967)

by ngairedith on 2012-07-28 05:25:29

we used to go along part of this road which ran across private land, to get to some great hunting (deer, pigs etc) and fishing in the clear creeks. Probably not allowed there these days ...

by Pattied on 2012-07-28 20:39:41

How lovely to have more info on Alan Loveday, my mother took me to the Town Hall in Chch to hear him I vaguely remember meeting him.
My sister Joan who lives in Auckland has been to Woodville and been photographed at the beginning of Loveday Road with cousin Mike Clifton and his wife Anne a couple of years ago. Mike is the son of Linda Loveday (not mentioned in the Loveday history) she married George Clifton and went to England to live. We called Aunty Linda (Paddy).
Ngairedith and Barbidoll are you related to the Lovedays or the Kemps? One day will try and visit the museum in Woodville God willing. Pattie

by jandel on 2012-11-16 20:51:28

I am a great granddaughter of Eliza Loveday - daughter of James and Lydia. I have recently made contact with desendants of Florence Loveday and Emily Loveday, both sisters of Eliza (and William etc). We are sharing information and in regular email contact.

Some of the above posted information has been verified and some is unfortunately incorrect.
e.g. most of the information on ...9 Grace Alice Loveday does not relate to Grace Loveday daughter of James and Lydia. Our Grace was only Grace b:15 June 1876 Waipawa New Zealand; d: 27 September 1953 Wellington Public Hospital from 7 Mein St Wellington New Zealand age 77 yrs; m:George CROSS 9 July 1906 at the residence of Mr FAB Ingpen (Eliza's husband) Gladstone St Woodville
...14 is Elizabeth May b:23 October 1884 Masterton Road Woodville New Zealand; d:15 January 1887 Woodville New Zealand age 2 yrs 3 months, known as May

I have other information so if anyone is interested please contact me and I am only ot happy to share it. Jan

by Pattied on 2012-11-17 18:34:58

Hi Jan
How lovely to find another relation. As I have said I am a grandaughter of William born in 1866, my father was John and his sisters were Norma, Grace, Vida and Linda.
I knew all of them very well except Linda who married a man named Clifton from England and went there to live. Their son Mike has been out here a couple of times.
According to above information there seems to be two women born before Dad. I'm not sure about them, they might have died before I was born, these things weren't spoken about in those days.
I do have a photo of 4 great aunts, I know one of them is Emily and Florence. My sister Joan passed it on to me. She is ten years younger and is keen to find family. I have a vague memory of my grandmother Elizabeth who was most unwell and died soon after, also have a photo of them at their marriage.
Would like to keep in touch. I am nearly 82 and of a different generation I think
Kind regards
Pattie (Dickson)

by Pattied on 2012-11-24 21:22:58

Hi Jan
Wondered if you had read my words above and had any more thoughts.
Here's hoping
Kind regards

by jandel on 2013-01-13 20:25:12

Hi Pattie, sorry have only just read this. I was expecting an email sorry. I am 61 with 3 children and 4 grandchildren. Recently I have begun email conversations and sharing of information with descendants of Florence and Emily both sisters of George so it is exciting to find another member of the family. I have no record of any children before your Dad, John. If you would like to email me at [email protected] I would love to talk further.

Kind regards Jan

by jandel on 2013-01-15 14:33:23

Hi Pattie, forgot to add that the mother of the 2 girls mentioned above is Elizabeth Hawkins and William LOVEDAY. There was also another son Richard Francis b.1883. I have checked the birth entries so have verified this. Their William LOVEDAY was born in c1847 in Gloucestershire and married Elizabeth HAWKINS on 12 July 1870 at Parkend Gloucester. so not he same parents as your father John.

Kind regards Jan

by Pattied on 2013-01-15 18:09:40

Hi Jan
Nice to share information, and I started to send a message yesterday but I'll have to contact you shortly again. We have just had dreadful news. Our youngest grandaughter Caitlin Dickson has been killed in Kenya. We are devastated as you can imagine. When I can gather my thoughts together I will contact you again.
Many thanks for the info.

Kind regards

by jandel on 2013-01-16 01:17:08

Hi Pattie

What terrible heartbreaking news, i am so sorry to hear this. I had watched it on the news before reading this. Please accept my sincere sympathy and even tho i havent met you please know that my thoughts are with you at this very sad time. Just out of interest my eldest grandaughter is Caitlin.

Kind regards Jan

by BuzLoveday on 2016-04-15 19:40:40

I notice that no-one has posted on this page for a few years and wonder if any of you will read this...
I came across this site while looking at online obituaries for my father, Alan Loveday, who passed away earlier this week. It's very moving for me to discover all of this about his ancestors and extended family.
To clarify some of the information posted above - Alan was the only child of Leslie Loveday and his wife Margaret (nee Rickard). Leslie (my grandfather) died some time before I was born - I think it was in 1955. My grandmother Margaret died in 1984.
You may be interested to read my father's obituary published today in the Daily Telegraph:
I would love to hear from any of you.
Warm wishes,
Rosalind (known as Buz)

by ngairedith on 2016-04-15 21:18:22

thanks you Buz,
Alan's career as a successful soloist, orchestral leader and teacher culminated in his pivotal role a soloist with the world-renowned Academy of St Martin-in-the-Fields, directed by his long-time colleague Sir Neville Marriner.
To this day his recording of Vivaldi's Four Seasons with the Academy is regarded as one of the finest of its kind

here is a compilation of Alan's talent

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