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on 2013-04-19 00:13:51

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by itellya on 2013-04-19 11:06:07

These notes were supposed to go in the journal but,you guessed it,I got the Oh noes page again.

1. In 1900 John Shand had been assessed on 253 acres in the parishes of Wannaeue and Fingal, north and south respectively of the west end of Shands Rd but not in 1910 when this property was occupied by William Shand. John's father Alexander(who died during one of John's terms as Shire President) established a steam saw mill on Main Creek, the only stream with a constant flow, and Roberts Rd was the track formed to carry his timber to Red Hill. (Keith Holmes.)

In about 1900, John married Mary (nee Hope), the widow of John Huntley Junior and by 1910, he was assessed on the Huntleys' 105 acre Hillside Orchard (Melway 191 E3.) He also owned Kentucky and Rosslyn (14A Balnarring, 121 acres) at Nos.214 and 212 Bittern-Dromana Rd just east of Craig Avon Lane (Melway 161 K10-11.)That makes a total of 226 acres, not 236 (which may have been a digitising error I didn't pick up.) (Bill Huntley, rates.)

Much of the leased land was A.E.Bennett's Kent Orchard, 79B, Balnarring of 230 acres (Melway 191 H-J 1, south to the winery and Merricks North/Red Hill South boundary.) (Bill Huntley, rates.)

2.Joseph McIlroy was not a grantee but in 1920 was assessed on 310 acres 23AB and 22AB. 23 was Forest Lodge, which Joseph could not have had in 1906, so his 153* acres would have been 22AB, Kangerong with a Red Hill Rd frontage between Junction Corner and the Kangerong Nature Conservation Reserve.Dunns Creek flowed through his land. (*150 acres 2 roods and 16 perches.) Many entries from Joseph's diary were included in Sheila Skidmore's THE RED HILL.(See the CALDWELL Rev.James and COUNSEL entries in my A-C Red Hill dictionary history.)

3. Alf Head's grants straddled Stony Creek Rd (Melway 190 E-F7 and E-H part 8) and he called his farm Fern Valley but seems to have later called it Musk Creek after the western tributary of Stony Creek, the junction being in Alf's northern grant. He had great success selling vegetables in Sorrento during "the season"and his daughter married a Sorrento lad who shared, with Alf, a lease on Dalkeith circa 1900(Melway 151 C8)at about the time that Vale bought it. (Parish map, rates, Around Red Hill Aug. 1902, Mornington Heritage Study, Trove, etc.)
Full details already in the original Red Hill Dictionary History journal.
The above might give you an idea of why I don't list all my sources (almost 20% of the paragraph!)

4.Henry Prossor of Red Hill came from the parish of Fingal (south of Limestone Rd)and bought land in the Village Settlement on both sides of the lane named (correctly thank to Keith Holmes) after him. His son Norm later farmed on part of Alf Head's land. Henry Prossor is not to be confused with Henry Prosser, fisherman, pioneer of the Frankston Fish Company and councillor. The latter's daughter married Isaac Sawyer and, after his death, Amis Renouf. (See my journal RENOUF ON THE PENINSULA.)

by itellya on 2013-04-20 01:52:27

5.William John McIlroy,like Joseph,was a son of William McIlroy, who came to Australia in 1860. Sheila Skidmore has much detail in THE RED HILL about William,including having to save twice for his wife's passage out. She also included details about William John's children, compiled by his son,John.

William John McIlroy received the grant for 26B and 25A,Kangerong, consisting of almost 320 acres, on 7-8-1902. The south west corner of 26B adjoined the south east corner of the Dromana/Red Hill boundary in Melway 161B9. The north east corner was at 485 Dunns Creek Rd. James Clydesdale's 26A of 48 acres occupied the western 200 metres of the Dunns Creek Rd frontage of crown allotment 26 and went about three quarters of the way to the south west corner. Crown allotment 25A, roughly 161 E8, adjoined 26B and fronted Dunns Creek Rd on its sou-sou-east course.In 1910 he was assessed on the 320 acres but also on 577 acres and buildings.

The 577 acres would have included 16B and 14 AB, granted to his father, a total of 294 acres. C/A 16B is roughly indicated by Dunns Creek Estate and Ellisfield Farm on the McIlroys Rd frontage, the western boundary of the Kangerong reserve extended south, the northern boundary of Vines at Red Hill continued east, and the north-south section of Donaldsons Rd continued to McIlroys Rd. C/A 14 B was south of 16 B including the site of Rosebank Cottage B&B and having a long frontage to Station Rd and a short one to Mechanics Rd. C/A 14 A was west of 14B, fronting the rest of Mechanics Rd to Arthurs Seat Rd.I believe his other 283 acres would have consisted of:
17AB,154 acres, granted to Francis Windsor, fronting the south side of McIlroys Rd from just west of the Bowrings Rd corner to a point halfway between Nos 209 and 146.
16A, 88 acres, granted to T.Milner, fronting McIlroys Rd from 17B to (almost) the Dunns Creek Estate (i.e.16B.)
That's a total of 242 acres, so where were the other 41 acres? I'm afraid I have no idea. No wonder that councillor from near Sorrento wanted proper description of properties! If the newspaper was right in stating that William John had 815 acres in 1906, that would be his grants (320 acres)plus 495 acres, not 577. Perhaps W.J. had, since 1906, purchased Francis Windsor's grant, 13C of 83 acres, east of the line of Andrews Lane, north of the Kindilan property and bisected by the start of Dunns Creek in Melway 191 A-B3.

by itellya on 2013-04-20 05:46:49

74D. Henry P. Prossor was assessed in 1902 on 40 acres on 74D, 74C obviously being leased to Edward Bowring. As mentioned previously Henry was assessed on 40 acres (74 E and 74C) and 12 acres (part 74E).C.A.74E was stated as being vacant in the 1902-3 rates and later was bought in two parts, the northern (74E1)of 7 acres by Fred Nash and the southern (74E) of 12 acres by Henry Percival Prossor. Therefore, the 40 acres consisted of 74D and 74C in 1919.
Also assessed in 1919 was Norman Prossor. He had 43 acres and building, part 71A1 Balnarring. This crown allotment, bounded on the west by Mornington- Flinders Rd, on the south by Stony Ck Rd, with its eastern boundary and northern extent indicated by Pardalote Dr, consisted of eighty three and a half acres so Norman's portion probably fronted Mornington- Flinders Rd with the western tributary and Musk Creek forming the eastern boundary; Musk Creek joins Stony Creek in 190 G9.One might ask why there was a 71A1 when there was no 71A. I believe that 71A was to be alienated in two parts, but the grantee, Alfred Head, bought both parts on 26-5-1882 after obtaining the grant for 71B,of 116 acres south of Stony Creek Rd, much earlier.

Norman Prossor married May Holmes, the daughter of William and Emily Holmes.(Sid Prosser, their son, and brother of Norma Bright.)
Henry Percival Prossor was at Boneo before he moved to Red Hill in about 1893. (Sid Prossor.)

7.Robert Anderson of Barragunda was mainly connected with Red Hill residents in his capacity as a shire councillor and Justice of the Peace. When Robert Henry Adams applied for a licence for land between that of his in-laws (Hopcraft) in the angle formed by the north end of Tucks Rd and Mornington-Flinders Rd, the documents were witnessed by Robert Anderson.

8.Although he was a storekeeper at Dromana, Nelson Rudduck was much involved at Red Hill, particularly with the Methodist Church. Hewould often have passed through the area on the way to his properties on the north side of Browns Rd and in the parish of Flinders (south of Shands Rd and east of Main Creek.)

Whether he was a big time money-lender or he was just doing a favour to an old friend, the loan he provided to George and Susan Peatey in 1878 helped them to move from their grants in Bitten-Dromana Rd to a 2 acre property on the south corner of Jetty Rd and McDowell St in 1888 and set up Rosebud's first produce supply.
(Pine Trees and Box Thorns, Rosalind Peatey.)

9.William Henry Blakeley's 140 acre block on the east corner of Arthurs Seat and Mornington-Flinders Rds was granted to Robert Holding and today houses the Consolidated School in its north west corner. Descendants still live on part of the block. Blakeley was a sawmaker with premises in Melbourne where deputations to Ministries would often meet before presenting their case.

by itellya on 2013-04-20 07:26:02

10.William Oswin's orchard may have been on Newstead (Melway 192 A1.) The Oswins had an early association with Red Hill through the unfortunate Lawrence Wadeson.

John Oswin and his son, William were both Flinders and Kangerong Shire councillors.

OSWIN P.190.Willie Oswin was called Grampas by the family.P.1.Mary Oswin, sister of John, married Lawrence WADESON (who with John Holmes was granted the 208 acres on the north and west side of Red Hill Rd between Vines of Red Hill, inclusive, and the south boundary of the Kangerong Nature Conservation Reserve.The southern 104 acres became the Huntleys' Hillside Orchard; John Huntley Snr may have had a lease from the Crown for the whole 208 acres before rate records started.)
John Oswin was known as DADAS according to a caption under a photo of John -page number not recorded.

by itellya on 2013-04-20 22:05:49

William Oswin certainly knew Red Hill, although like most pioneers, he was a bit vague about the spelling of his fellow pioneers' names. He was suggesting an extension of the line to Hanson's, not Hansen's, for the benefit of Flinders residents. The Red Hill station was on the site of Red Hill Centrepoint and if the line was continued for exactly one and a half miles in a straight line from the station (parallel with the start of Callanan's Rd)It would reach Tucks Rd between the sites of the Maritime and Mount Rouge Estates. This was the western boundary of crown allotment 70B, Balnarring, which extended south to a point opposite No.114 Tucks Rd. Tucks Rd would have been a shorter route from Flinders than the Mornington-Flinders Rd, which has undergone much re-alignment according to parish maps.

Both 70A (adjoining Alf Head's Fern Valley)and 70B were granted to William Hopcraft but Hans Christian Hanson must have bought 70B in about 1887. The Hansons called their double-storey house Alpine Chalet. It is unclear whether Alpine Chalet was William Hopcraft's old homestead or was built by or for Hans Christian Hanson. It was described thus:
""Alpine Chalet" was the name of our two storey family home. Looking out from the back verandah, we could see across Stony Creek's gully to the houses belonging to Bob and Esther Wilson and the Laurissens.Ours was a beautiful old home with cherry trees along one side of the house and apple trees along the other.

In about 1919, the house and part of the property was sold to the Lessings, a family of thirteen from Carrum Downs and Alf Hanson, son of Hans Christian Hanson, had a new house,also called Alpine Chalet,built on the northern 20 acres of 70B by Littlejohn.

Hans Christian Hanson,who was born in 1857,probably in Norway,and died in 1938 at Prahran, had been a bridge-building contractor and carpenter who worked on all the bridges between Melbourne and Bright.He married Ellen Olson (or Olsen)who was born in Norway in 1846 and died at Malvern in 1923. Alfred George, the fifth of six children,was born in Newcastle, N.S.W. on 18-5-1884. In 1906, Alf married Frances Ada Elizabeth Purves, the ninth of ten children of James Purves (son of Peter Purves,the true pioneer of Tootgarook) and Emily Caroline (nee Quinan, daughter of Robert Dublin Quinan, the Dromana schoolteacher who committed suicide because the shire's books didn't balance!)

(Balnarring parish map, rates,MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN by Hector V.J.Hanson and Petronella E.Wilson, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA,TROVE.)

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