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ROLL OF HONOUR FOR RED HILL NEAR DROMANA, VIC., AUST.

Journal by itellya

Red Hill Community Action Inc - Can You Help?
www.redhillcommunityaction.com/
Requesting public involvement in providing names of servicemen and women for a war memorial in Red Hill, we need a Secretary and Public Officer.

Sheila Skidmore's THE RED HILL has much information about Red Hill lads that enlisted in World War 1 on page 49. Charles Trewin was the first to enlist but was living in Chiltern at the time. An original Anzac,he returned with the rank of Sergeant. William and Joseph McIlroy also enlisted elsewhere. The first to enlist locally was Will. Hind whose family had a farm at Merricks. {The surname is written as Hinds in ratebooks if I remember correctly and I have written quite a bit about the family and the farm, most likely in relation to John Shand or John Huntley as much of the information was supplied by Bill Huntley. I think the farm was called "Seven Oaks Farm" being part of the old "Seven Oaks" (79A Balnarring)and bounded by Junction Rd, the new part of Bittern-Dromana Rd from Junction Corner and Craig Avon Lane, which was the old course (Melway 161,parts of H-J 11.) J.Hinds was granted 80C, Balnarring of 17 acres 1 rood 34 perches on 14-9-1916 (north-west sixth of 161 H-J9.)} Will Hind(s?)died from a throat infection just prior to his unit going into action in Egypt. The first locally born lads to enlist,in mid 1915, were cousins Richard and Herb. McIlroy. Herb lost a foot. Sheila lists 17 others who enlisted, with great detail regarding injuries etc. I'm not sure whether Dave Barker from Main Creek was related to the Barkers of Cape Schanck and Boneo or the family of William Henry Blakeley's wife. Helen Blakeley might know. Thelma Littlejohn,Bill Huntley and Barry Wright of Balnarring (who is writing a history of "Wildwood") might have anecdotal information about those who served; I have their contact details.
Details about most of those who enlisted should be found in the A.I.F. PROJECT.

Let's see what trove can tell us.

HINDS.-Died in hospital at Heliopolis, Egypt,Private William Hamilton Hinds (Willie), second son of James and Elizabeth Hinds, "Seven Oaks," Red Hill (late of Somerville), and grandson of Robert Hinds, Blrregurra, aged 20. Duty nobly done. (P.61,The Australasian, 30-10-1915.)

Mr W. J. McIlroy, of "Red Hill", Dromana, a staunch methodist, is the father of a fine quartette of fighting
sons at the front. The Rev. Joseph McIlroy, who was a minister of the Clifton Hill Methodist Circuit, before he enlisted, is with the Army Medical Corps in France.- His brother, Mr William McIlroy is in camp at Claremont, Tasmania, and is a student for the Presbyterian ministry, and has finished his home mission course.
Sergeant Robert Mcllroy and Private Richard McIlroy are in the Infantry in France. (Dandenong Advertiser and Cranbourne, Berwick and Oakleigh Advocate (Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Thursday 27 July 1916 p 2 Article.)

See pages 17-22 of Sheila's book re Joseph McIlroy's diary.

T.Counsel of Dromana could be considered a resident of the Red Hill district if the family was living on 21A Kangerong west of Forest Lodge,granted to C.Counsel on 27-6-1876 but this does not seem to be confirmed by 1900 and 1910 rate records. T.Counsel is not listed in the A.I.F. project. He is listed on the following.
31 Oct 1918 - VICTORIAN CASUALTIES. List No. 438 Issued.
P.6,Argus,31-10-1918.
RAMSAY, J. T. Mathoura, NSW, 31/8/18, RICE, T h Chillingollah, 2/0/18. ... Vi J Cork fngland (2nd occ gas) T Counsel, Dromana J T Coieiitn, Diamond Creek.

EMMOTT.Killed in action April 15, 1918, Sgt. Robert Emmott, son of Mrs. Emmott, Red Hill, Dromana, dear mate on Gallipoli and France of L.-Cpl. George V. Carter, Lake Meran, killed in action December 24, 1917.
(P.1, Argus,7-5-1918.)

EMMOTT.-Officially reported killed in action 15th April, in France, the beloved son of Alphina and the late J. S. Emmott, Red Hill, and beloved brother of J. S. Emmott and E.J. Emmott, of Inglewood, Grace, Mrs. Nicholson, Mrs. J. Morgan, Crystal, and Jim, aged 21 years. (P.11, Argus, 11-5-1918.)

1919-20 rates. Mrs.A.Emmott,5 1/2acres and building part crown allotment 9. This was possibly part of the old Red Hill township near the post office and across White Hill Rd from McIlroys Rd.

MORE TO COME UNLESS THE GREMLINS STRIKE AGAIN. SLOW WORK WADING THROUGH CLIFTON/PYRAMID/ BROKEN HILL RESULTS!

"RED HILL, VICTORIA,A.I.F.PROJECT" SEARCH.

McILROY, Robert - The AIF Project
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=199112
Regimental number, 1791. Place of birth, Red Hill, Mornington, Victoria. School, Red Hill No 1301 State School, Victoria. Religion, Methodist. Occupation ...

8th Battalion, 12th Reinforcement - The AIF Project
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showUnit?unitCode=INF8REIN12
3707, BURROWS, Henry George, Pyramid Hill, Victoria. 3971, CARRUTHERS, Henry .... Herbert, Red Hill, Victoria. 3863, McILROY, Richard, Red Hill, Victoria.

Allan, David Thomson - The War Graves Photographic Project
www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=1468959
Unit: 14th Bn.Australian Infantry, A.I.F. ... in action 08/08/15 Age 22 40 Son of George and Isabella Somerville Allan, of Craig Avon, Red Hill, Victoria, Australia.

Craig Avon was 80A Balnarring,across Craig Avon Lane from Hinds' "Seven Oaks Farm."

SEARCH FOR THOSE ON SHEILA'S LIST IN THE A.I.F.PROJECT.

Charles Lester Gordon TREWIN
Regimental number 532
Religion Presbyterian
Occupation Police Constable
Address Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 26
Next of kin Father, Trewin, Red Hill PO, near Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 5 September 1914
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 4th Light Horse Regiment, C Squadron
AWM Embarkation Roll number 10/9/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board Transport A18 Wiltshire on 19 October 1914
Regimental number from Nominal Roll Commissioned
Rank from Nominal Roll Captain
Unit from Nominal Roll 4th Light Horse Regiment
Fate Returned to Australia 15 January 1919

William McILROY
Regimental number 16284
Religion Presbyterian
Occupation Presbyterian minister
Address Derby, Tasmania
Marital status Married
Age at embarkation 35
Next of kin Wife, Mrs M C McIlroy, Derby, Tasmania
Enlistment date 7 April 1916
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 19 February 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name November 1916 Reinforcements
AWM Embarkation Roll number 26/99/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board HMAT A34 Persic on 29 December 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 3rd Field Ambulance
Fate Returned to Australia 28 February 1919

This would have to be the William McIlroy mentioned in the article about W.J.McIlroy's family where William was training for the Presbyterian ministry and was in camp in Claremont, Tasmania.

Joseph McILROY
Regimental number 15155
Religion Methodist
Occupation Methodist minister
Address Northcote, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 24
Next of kin Father, W J McIlroy, Red Hill via Mornington, Victoria
Enlistment date 23 November 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 14th Australian General Hospital
AWM Embarkation Roll number 26/101/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A67 Orsova on 29 July 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A28 Miltiades on 1 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Adelaide, South Australia, on board HMAT A70 Ballarat on 12 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board RMS Orontes on 16 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A63 Karoola on 19 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A18 Wiltshire on 22 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board RMS Mooltan on 28 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board RMS Kashgar on 2 September 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board RMS Kashgar on 5 September 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A1 Kymettus on 12 September 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A25 Anglo Egyptian on 19 September 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Fate Returned to Australia 22 January 1917
Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) 14th Australian General Hospital

William Hamilton HINDS
Regimental number 1555
Place of birth Warncoort,Birregurra, Victoria
School State School, Victoria
Religion Presbyterian
Occupation Orchardist
Address Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 20
Height 5' 7.25"
Weight 136 lbs
Next of kin Father, J Hinds, Red Hill, Victoria
Previous military service Nil (exempt area under Compulsory Military Service scheme)
Enlistment date 24 June 1915
Place of enlistment Melbourne, Victoria
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 22nd Battalion, 1st Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/39/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A35 Berrima on 28 June 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 22nd Battalion
Other details from Roll of Honour Circular 'He was the first Volunteer for this district and his good example was the means of gaining many recruits.' (Details from father)
Fate Died of disease 14 October 1915
Place of death or wounding Heliopolis, Egypt
Age at death 20
Age at death from cemetery records 20
Place of burial Cairo War Memorial Cemetery (Row D, Grave No. 132), Egypt
Panel number, Roll of Honour,
Australian War Memorial 96
Miscellaneous information from
cemetery records Parents: James and Elizabeth HINDS, Severn Oaks, Redhill, Victoria
Family/military connections Cousin: 622 Gunner William Sydney HINDS, 8th Bn, killed in action, 4 October 1917.
Other details
War service: Egypt, Gallipoli

Admitted to 1st Australian Casualty Clearing Station, Anzac, 2 October 1915 (tonsilitis); transferred to HS 'Maheno', 2 October 1915 (dipteria), and transferred to No 1 Australian General Hospital, Heliopolis, 14 October 1915 (septic throat).

Died of diptheria, Choubra Hospital, Cairo, 14 October 1915.

Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal
Sources NAA: B2455, HINDS William Hamilton

Richard McILROY
Regimental number 3863
Religion Methodist
Occupation Orchardist
Address Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 19
Next of kin Mother, Mrs W J McIlroy, Red Hill, Victoria
Enlistment date 6 July 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 8th Battalion, 12th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/25/4
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Adelaide, South Australia, on board HMAT A40 Ceramic on 23 November 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Fate Returned to Australia 19 February 1919
Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) 59th Bn

Herbert McILROY
Regimental number 3862
Religion Methodist
Occupation Farmer
Address Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 28
Next of kin Father, J McIlroy, Red Hill, Victoria
Enlistment date 6 July 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 8th Battalion, 12th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/25/4
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Adelaide, South Australia, on board HMAT A40 Ceramic on 23 November 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Fate Returned to Australia 10 July 1917
Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) 58th Bn

Robert McILROY
Regimental number 1791
Place of birth Red Hill, Mornington, Victoria
School Red Hill No 1301 State School, Victoria
Religion Methodist
Occupation Gardener
Address Box 15, Frankston, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 32
Height 5' 6"
Weight 166 lbs
Next of kin Father, William J McIlroy, Red Hill, Mornington, Victoria
Previous military service Nil
Enlistment date 7 October 1915
Place of enlistment Melbourne, Victoria
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 58th Battalion, 2nd Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/75/3
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A14 Euripides on 4 April 1916
Unit from Nominal Roll 59th Battalion
Fate Died of wounds 21 July 1916
Place of death or wounding Fleurbaix, France (Battle of Fromelles)
Age at death 33
Age at death from cemetery records 33
Place of burial Estaires Communal Cemetery (Plot III, Row B, Grave No. 30), France
Panel number, Roll of Honour,
Australian War Memorial 168
Miscellaneous information from
cemetery records Parents: William and Elizabeth MCILROY, Red Hill, Mornington, Victoria
Other details
War service: Egypt, Western Front

Taken on strength, 59th Bn, Ferry Post, 24 May 1916, and reverted to the ranks.

Embarked Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 18 June 1916; disembarked Marseilles, France, 29 June 1916.

Wounded in action, 20 July 1916 (gun shot wound, hip); admitted to No 1 Australian Casualty Clearing Station, 20 July 1916.

Died of wounds, 21 July 1916.

Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal
Sources NAA: B2455, McILROY Robert

Sidney Harold SHEEHAN
Regimental number 34191
Religion Church of England
Occupation Orchardist
Address Halycon, Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 19
Next of kin Father, John Sheehan, Halycon, Red Hill, Victoria
Enlistment date 3 January 1917
Rank on enlistment Driver
Unit name Field Artillery Brigade, March 1917 Reinforcements
AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/128/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A74 Marathon on 10 May 1917
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A11 Ascanius on 11 May 1917
Rank from Nominal Roll Driver
Unit from Nominal Roll 7th Field Artillery Brigade
Fate Returned to Australia 3 July 1919

Walter James Thomas CHAMPION
Regimental number 2844
Religion Church of England
Occupation Orchardist
Address Corner of Norwood and Camberwell Roads, Burwood, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 20
Next of kin Father, Walter Champion, Corner of Norwood and Camberwell Roads, Burwood, Victoria
Enlistment date 27 June 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 2nd Pioneer Battalion, Reinforcement 6
AWM Embarkation Roll number 14/14/4
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A17 Port Lincoln on 20 October 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 2nd Pioneer Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 3 March 1919

There were only two Walter Champions, one from Queensland and the above one from Burwood. The Eastern suburbs had many orchardists so like the unfortunate Charles Thiele (killed on Eaton's Cutting Road and probably a descendant of the pioneer of the Doncaster district), Walter may have moved to Red Hill, perhaps to the Village Settlement.

Jack Hayden GIBSON ??????
Regimental number 4276
Religion Church of England
Occupation Farm hand
Address Quairading, Western Australia
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 18
Next of kin Father, J A Gibson, Kelmscott, Western Australia
Enlistment date 20 September 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 16th Battalion, 13th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/33/3
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board HMAT A54 Runic on 29 January 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Lieutenant
Unit from Nominal Roll 8th Machine Gun Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 24 August 1918

The above is an educated guess but it is wrong!.There were only two Jack Gibsons,the other one from Bondi, Sydney, whose next of kin was Mrs Annie Gibson. Many peninsula lads moved to Western Australia during the 1890's depression, attracted by employment offered by its gold rush,such as Harry Falby Gomm of Somerville and John and Thomas Chapman. Thomas Chapman married Edith Sheehan and after he died in Bunbury during a typhoid epidemic, Edith returned to Red Hill with their little daughter. (A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA p. 77-8.) W.Gibson was granted 78 Balnarring of 190 acres on the north corner of Red Hill and Stanley Rds on 22-7-1874 and from memory the property was split into two farms. In 1920,no Gibsons were assessed in the central riding so it is possible that J.A.Gibson was one of the sons and had moved to sandgroper land.

I was just about to move onto Bert Williams when something occurred to me; many Jacks were actually Johns!This is the Red Hill resident. My incorrect guess has been left in the journal as a warning not to ignore those little whispers even if they involve more work.

John Prowse GIBSON
Regimental number 6801
Religion Church of England
Occupation Labourer
Address Red Hill via Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 22
Next of kin Father, John Thomas Gibson, Red Hill via Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 19 February 1917
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 10 February 1917
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 22nd Battalion, 19th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/39/5
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A11 Ascanius on 11 May 1917
Rank from Nominal Roll 2nd Corporal
Unit from Nominal Roll 22nd Battalion
Fate Effective abroad (still overseas)

RED HILL ROLL OF HONOUR.
Nothing found for BERT WILLIAMS, WALTER BROWN, SAMUEL McKAY, JOSEPH SMITH.

WALTER BROWN. Walter Brown was a member of the Red Hill Band of Hope in 1902, along with some of his later comrades such as Joseph and Robert McIlroy. (Mornington Standard: P.2, 3-5-1902; P. 4, 25-10-1902.)
According to Sheila Skidmore, Walter lost a leg in the war so it is understandable that his sport was Chess. However this disability did not stop him from engaging in the physical life of a fruiterer until he was killed by a crank (handle). He had forgotten that the truck was parked in first gear.
CHESS AT RED HILL.A chess tournament conducted at Red Hill recently excited considerable local interest. The championship was won by Mr. W. Brown, of Main Creek. (P.4, Frankston and Somerville Standard, 16-8-1922.)
CRUSHED BETWEEN CARS.
MELBOURNE, January 12.
Walter Brown (42). fruiterer, of Red Hill, died in the Melbourne Hospital today from injuries received in the Victoria market yesterday, Brown was cranking his truck when it jumped forward and jammed his head between his radiator and the side of another motor truck. (P.18, The Courier-Mail, 13-1-1934.)

BROWN-on the 12th January (result ofan accident) Walter Harold Brown of Red Hill, dearly beloved husband of Florrie (nee Peel) and loving father of Elsie, Norman, Leslie and Marjorie -Loved by all.

BROWN -On the 12th January (result ofan accident) Walter Harold Brown of Red Hill, dearly beloved son of Walter and MaryBrown of 6 Barrow street, Coburg and loving brother of Ruby, Will, Myrtle (deceased), Alma, Doll. and Ivy.
(P.13, Argus, 13-1-1934.)




Andrew NICHOLSON
Regimental number 6377
Religion Church of England
Occupation Farmer
Address Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 23
Next of kin Father, Neil Nicholson, Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 15 September 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 23rd Battalion, 18th Reinforcement

AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/40/4
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A20 Hororata on23 November 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 23rd Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 21 December 1917


BERT NICHOLSON-No obvious matches for Bert, Albert and Herbert.

ARTHUR McILROY- Only one,Mossman, N.S.W., mother Phoebe.

Albert Christopher WHITE
Regimental number 19699
Religion Methodist
Occupation Farmer
Address Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 26
Next of kin Father, R White, Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 4 January 1916
Rank on enlistment Driver
Unit name Field Artillery Brigade 8, Battery 29

AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/36/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A7 Medic on 20 May 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Driver
Unit from Nominal Roll 8th Field Artillery Brigade
Fate Returned to Australia 4 June 1919
Family/military connections Brother: Lt Ernest Victor WHITE DCM, 24th Bn, returned to Australia.
Other details War service: Western Front
Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal

Ernest Victor WHITE
Regimental number 307
Religion Methodist
Occupation Butcher
Address Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 20
Next of kin R White, Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 15 March 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 24th Battalion, A Company

AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/41/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A14 Euripides on10 May 1915
Regimental number from Nominal Roll Commissioned
Rank from Nominal Roll Lieutenant
Unit from Nominal Roll 24th Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia
Medals Distinguished Conduct Medal
'For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. During an attack this N.C.O. who was in charge of the advance party of his platoon, led them with great gallantry against a machine gun post, which he captured, taking the gun, and accounting for all the gunners. He then collected his party and proceeded, with the greatest dash, to occupy the objective which had been assigned to them. He brought up a Lewis gun, which he disposed with much judgment to help in overcoming the last elements of the enemy's resistance, and then went out under heavy rifle fire to help in selecting positions for the outposts. Throughout the day he showed fine qualities of judgment and cool determination, which inspired his men with great confidence.'
Source: 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 23
Date: 12 February 1919
Family/military connections Brother: 19699 Driver Albert Christopher WHITE, 8th Field Artillery Brigade, returned to Australia, 4 June 1919.
Other details War service: Egypt, Gallipoli, Western Front
Medals: Distinguished Conduct Medal, 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal

Frederick Hargrave WHITE
Regimental number 2081
and
David Vincent BARKER
Regimental number 35841
(See comment 2.)

Frederick Hargrave WHITE
Regimental number 2081
Religion Methodist
Occupation Farm labourer
Address Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 19
Next of kin Father, Robert White, Main Creek Dromana, Victoria
(Continued in comment 1.)


TREWIN, MCILROY, HINDS, SHEEHAN, CHAMPION,GIBSON,WILLIAMS, BROWN,MCKAY,SMITH,NICHOLSON,HARRISON,WHITE,BARKER.


RED HILL WAR MEMORIAL.(Copied and continued from Comment 8.)
Last night, in an effort to locate descendants of pioneering families still resident in Red Hill to inform them about the BACK TO RED HILL from 1-4 p.m. on Sunday, March 22, 2015 at the Red Hill Community Hall in Mechanics Rd, I googled CLEINE, RED HILL and discovered Howard Cleine. This morning, I tried a McILROY, RED HILL search and came across the Red Hill Community Association (formerly Red Hill Community Action) website. The treasurer, Jenny,is the wife of Dennis McIlroy.

This information might be a bit late, as I presume the Red Hill District war memorial is probably intended to be completed by Anzac Day, 2015, and the list obviously pertains to World War 2 as well as W.W.1 but I can add some detail regarding some of the names.

BARKER David Vincent
BELL Cyril
BROWN Walter
CHAMPION Walter James Thomas
CLEAVE Albert Bertram
CLEAVE Theodore Ernest
CLEAVE Charles Harper

DAVEY Henry Pearce. Described as the life and soul of Red Hill, H.P.Davey's departure from Red Hill was a sad event for his many friends there. His father was a Gippsland pioneer involved in municipal affairs there,and,if I remember correctly,the city of Melbourne. Despite having found no direct link,he was obviously connected with the pioneering Davey family of Marysville, between Old Mornington Rd and Davey's Bay. When his neighbour, A.E.Bennett of Kent Orchard and Seven Oaks,across Red Hill Rd from Forest Lodge (granted to J.Davey) launched an appeal for the destitute Connell family of Red Hill,whose bread winner was almost blind and crippled, H.P. AND the girls at Marysville became heavily involved.

Mornington and Dromana Standard (Vic. : 1908 - 1911) Saturday 26 September 1908 p 3 Article
... Tonkin. The amount of the testator's estate is £1280. Mr H. P. Davey, formerly of " Forest Lodge," Red ... Hill, was married on September 2nd to Miss V. Thompson, of Glengarry, Gippsland.


DAVEY W.
DAY Frederick
EMMETT Robert Edmond
HARRISON Charles (Harry) Henry
HARRISON T.
HARRISON William James
HILLIS Joseph Edwin
HILLIS Stanley James
HINDS William Hamilton
GIBSON John (Jack) Prowse
KANIERS H.
McILROY Arthur
McILROY Herbert
McILROY Joseph
McILROY Richard
McILROY Robert
McILROY William
McKAY Samuel (Sam)
NICHOLSON Andrew (Andy)
NICHOLSON Albert (Bert) Neil

PEATEY John Edward. The Peatey family history is told in Rosalind Peatey's PINE TREES AND BOXTHORNS. This is available at the Rosebud library but,if I remember correctly, I suggest that it be archived and it would be best to see the information desk to prevent a fruitless search in the local history room.

In brief, George and Sarah Peatey settled on Jamieson's Special Survey (Safety Beach area and east to Bulldog Creek Rd)in about 1860, where Susan served as a midwife, delivering many babies, including Henry Bucher's daughter,the first white child born in Rosebud. About a decade later,George,who was six foot six inches tall, was granted 27A and 27C, Kangerong on the east corner of Harrisons Rd and the Bittern-Dromana road. However,the 101 acre farm was too wet for farming and they struggled on till 1888 when they became Rosebud pioneers. In 1878, with the aid of a loan from Dromana's Nelson Rudduck (repaid ten years later), they purchased a 2 acre block on the south corner of Jetty Rd and McDowell St that was later Don Miller's caravan park and is now an estate with entrances to both thoroughfares. The family later purchased a Rosebud Fishing Village block on the east side of a creek that entered the bay under the present Murray Anderson Rd foreshore car park. They called this "Beachside" and an old map of Rosebud notes "chooks slept in trees." The creek was known to early residents as Peatey's Creek.

W.H.Peatey was granted 31E Wannaeue, 200 acres on the north side of Waterfall Gully Rd but because of war injuries and other ailments,the family could not make the best use of the land. Bill's neighbour there was L.E.P.Moran of the grocery chain,Moran and Cato,who built the homestead (across Elizabeth Drive from the golf club)that later became known as the Carrington Park Clubhouse.

ROBERTSON Alexander John
ROBERTSON Donald Charles
ROBERTSON Peter Thomas Tait
SCOLLARY John Andrew
SHEEHAN Reginald (Reg) Arthur
SHEEHAN Sidney (Syd) Harold
SKIPWORTH Leslie Bertram
SKIPWORTH Selwyn Kemp
SMITH Joseph (Jos) Robert
SOLTEN S.
TREWIN Charles Lester Gordon
WHITE Albert Christopher
WHITE Ernest Victor
WHITE Frederick Hargrave
WILLIAMS Albert (Bert)
WILSON Harold Henry

As I've just had a lengthy conversation with Jill Phillips of Hill 'n' Ridge, to whom Lyn Connor forwarded my email about the BACK TO, leaving little time to complete this comment (which can't be edited after it is submitted)I intend to copy it at the very end of the above journal under the heading RED HILL WAR MEMORIAL and continue it there.

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by itellya on 2014-08-29 08:20:02

Enlistment date 4 October 1915
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 22 September 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 4th Light Horse Regiment, 14th Reinforcement

AWM Embarkation Roll number 10/9/3
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A32 Themistocles on28 January 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 4th Light Horse Regiment
Fate Returned to Australia 15 June 1919

by itellya on 2014-08-29 08:22:02

David Vincent BARKER
Regimental number 35841
Place of birth Melbourne, Victoria
Religion Methodist
Occupation Orchardist
Address Flinders, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 25
Height 6' 1"
Weight 178 lbs
Next of kin Father, William Edward Barker, Flinders, Victoria
Enlistment date 2 February 1917
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 19 February 1917
Place of enlistment Melbourne, Victoria
Rank on enlistment Gunner
Unit name Field Artillery Brigade, Reinforcement 28

AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/128/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A15 Port Sydney on9 November 1917
Rank from Nominal Roll Gunner
Unit from Nominal Roll 10th Field Artillery Brigade
Fate Returned to Australia 20 October 1919
Discharge date 19 November 1919
Other details Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal

by janilye on 2014-08-29 09:28:27

I'm going to show you an easier way to find people who were born and/or enlisted in an area. Firstly click on HERE Then click on a flag in the area you want. For instance Frankston it will say "BORN HERE 65 ENLISTED HERE 33" click on either one of those rows and up will pop up all the names. S
click on any name lets say Arthur Cook and up will pop THIS Then click on WW! file that will take you straight into archives Click "View Digital Copy"

You may have to click around a bit to get onto the town you want but this is the easiest way for me to show you online. there are other search options available which you can try after you get used to the site. No need to sign in
For those killed the Australian war memorial history department sent out circulars to families which which may also contain good info.
Ngairedith and I did one for the Caulfield War Memorial

by janilye on 2014-08-29 11:26:23

Please show Sheila Skidmore the method above, using it she will be able to gather all the names in a couple of minutes. The time consuming part is putting together the biographies.
Charles Trewin, I don't see much of a Red Hill connection. He was born Charles Lester Gordon Trewin born 4 June 1888, at Deans Marsh. Enlisted at Broadmeadows. His father, Charles Albert Trewin was listed as next of kin c/0 Red Hill Post Office. He had a farm in Red Hill, coming from Mt.Martha ca couple of years before. That is the only connection I can see to Red Hill. Father, Charles Albert was born at Mt. Duneed (Geelong) and died at Caulfield and his mother Annie Mapletoft was born in Dune and died in St.Kilda.
After the war he went back to being a police constable in Charlton.

by itellya on 2014-08-29 18:05:56

Thanks again janiye.

by itellya on 2014-08-29 18:20:58

Born in Red Hill, VIC, Australia


Davey, Henry Pearce
Day, Frederick
Gibson, John Prowse
McIlroy, Arthur
McIlroy, Herbert
McIlroy, Joseph
McIlroy, Richard
McIlroy, Robert
Robertson, Alexander John
Robertson, Donald Charles Loughlin
Robertson, Peter Thomas Tait
Scollary, John Andrew
Skipworth, Leslie Bertram
Skipworth, Selwyn Kemp

by itellya on 2014-08-30 08:06:54

MAPPING OUR ANZACS. Details of those listed in the previous comment.

BORN IN RED HILL.
HENRY PEARCE DAVEY.
Service number 4297
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Donald, VIC, Australia
Next of kin Davey, Henry Pearce (father)
WWI file B2455, DAVEY H P

Railway to Red Hill,
On Saturday evening last a public meeting of the residents of Red Hill and surrounding district was held in a large barn belonging to Mr. H P.Davey, of Forest Lodge, which he had very kindly lent for the occasion. .... It was also resolved
that Mr A. E. Bennett be elected secretary, Mr R. Sheehan treasurer,and Mr F. Harrison be chairman of the league. It was also resolved that Messrs J and J. Bayne, A. Head, J.Wiseman, H. P. Davey, J. C. Griffith, N. Prossor, W. H. Blakely, G. (Meakin?),J. Shand, W. J. and J. McIlroy be elected a committee to carry out the
wishes of the league. (P.3,Mornington Standard, 29-6-1899.)
Forest Lodge of about 200 acres in 1902 consisted mainly of 23 AB Kangerong (156 acres)across the road from J.Hinds' Seven Oaks. The C.R.B. deviation of the Bittern-Dromana road cut through both allotments,which were granted to J.Davey. A.E.Bennett owned Kent Orchard (79B Balnarring) but after his marriage, he leased it to John Shand and moved onto Seven Oaks (79A Balnarring,also granted to J.Davey)which adjoined it to the north, today's Craig Avon Lane being the northern boundary.



FREDERICK DAY.
Service number 2041
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Kalgoorlie, WA, Australia
Next of kin Day, Ethel May (wife)
WWI file B2455, DAY F

JOHN PROWSE GIBSON.
Service number 6801
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Melbourne, VIC, Australia
Next of kin Gibson, John Thomas (father)
WWI file B2455, GIBSON J P


ARTHUR McILROY.
Service number DEPOT V71546
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Melbourne, VIC, Australia
Next of kin McIlroy, Agnes (wife)
WWI file B2455, MCILROY A


HERBERT McILROY.
Service number 3862
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Melbourne, VIC, Australia
Next of kin McIlroy, J (father)
WWI file B2455, MCILROY H


JOSEPH McILROY.
Service number 15155
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Melbourne, VIC, Australia
Next of kin McIlroy, William John (father)
WWI file B2455, MCILROY J


RICHARD McILROY.
Service number 3863
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Melbourne, VIC, Australia
Next of kin McIlroy, Mrs W J
WWI file B2455, MCILROY R


ROBERT McILROY
Service number 1791
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Melbourne, VIC, Australia
Next of kin McIlroy, William John (father)
WWI file B2455, MCILROY R


ALEXANDER JOHN ROBERTSON.
Service number 3605
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Geelong, VIC, Australia
Next of kin Robertson, Alexander (father)
WWI file B2455, ROBERTSON ALEXANDER JOHN

DONALD CHARLES LOUGHLIN ROBERTSON.
Service number 3601
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Geelong, VIC, Australia
Next of kin Robertson, Alexander John (father)
WWI file B2455, ROBERTSON DONALD CHARLES LOUGHLIN


PETER THOMAS TAIT ROBERTSON.
Service number 3602
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Geelong, VIC, Australia
Next of kin Robertson, Alexander (father)
WWI file B2455, ROBERTSON PETER THOMAS TAIT


JOHN ANDREW SCOLLARY.
Service number 731
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Melbourne, VIC, Australia
Next of kin Scollary, Peter (brother)
WWI file B2455, SCOLLARY JOHN ANDREW


LESLIE BERTRAM SKIPWORTH.
Service number 1176
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Morphettville, SA, Australia
Next of kin Selwood, Sarah Parsons (mother)
WWI file B2455, SKIPWORTH LESLIE BERTRAM


SELWYN KEMP SKIPWORTH.
Service number 1904a
Place of birth Red Hill, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Perth, WA, Australia
Next of kin Selwood, Sarah Parsons (mother)
WWI file B2455, SKIPWORTH SELWYN KEMP

It is possible that the Skipworths were related to W.Kemp who was granted 20A Kangerong, of 100 acres, fronting the east side of Bowrings Rd and McIlroys Rd.

by itellya on 2015-01-16 18:05:14

Last night, in an effort to locate descendants of pioneering families still resident in Red Hill to inform them about the BACK TO RED HILL from 1-4 p.m. on Sunday, March 22 at the Red Hill Community Hall in Mechanics Rd, I googled CLEINE, RED HILL and discovered Howard Cleine. This morning, I tried a McILROY, RED HILL search and came across the Red Hill Community Association (formerly Red Hill Community Action) website. The treasurer, Jenny,is the wife of Dennis McIlroy.

This information might be a bit late, as I presume the Red Hill District war memorial is probably intended to be completed by Anzac Day, 2015, and the list obviously pertains to World War 2 as well as W.W.1 but I can add some detail regarding some of the names.

BARKER David Vincent
BELL Cyril
BROWN Walter
CHAMPION Walter James Thomas
CLEAVE Albert Bertram
CLEAVE Theodore Ernest
CLEAVE Charles Harper
DAVEY Henry Pearce
DAVEY W.
DAY Frederick
EMMETT Robert Edmond
HARRISON Charles (Harry) Henry
HARRISON T.
HARRISON William James
HILLIS Joseph Edwin
HILLIS Stanley James
HINDS William Hamilton
GIBSON John (Jack) Prowse
KANIERS H.
McILROY Arthur
McILROY Herbert
McILROY Joseph
McILROY Richard
McILROY Robert
McILROY William
McKAY Samuel (Sam)
NICHOLSON Andrew (Andy)
NICHOLSON Albert (Bert) Neil
PEATEY John Edward
ROBERTSON Alexander John
ROBERTSON Donald Charles
ROBERTSON Peter Thomas Tait
SCOLLARY John Andrew
SHEEHAN Reginald (Reg) Arthur
SHEEHAN Sidney (Syd) Harold
SKIPWORTH Leslie Bertram
SKIPWORTH Selwyn Kemp
SMITH Joseph (Jos) Robert
SOLTEN S.
TREWIN Charles Lester Gordon
WHITE Albert Christopher
WHITE Ernest Victor
WHITE Frederick Hargrave
WILLIAMS Albert (Bert)
WILSON Harold Henry

As I've just had a lengthy conversation with Jill Phillips of Hill 'n' Ridge, to whom Lyn Connor forwarded my email about the BACK TO, leaving little time to complete this comment (which can't be edited after it is submitted)I intend to copy it at the very end of the above journal under the heading RED HILL WAR MEMORIAL and continue it there.

by itellya on 2015-01-17 03:04:01

Chargers at Beersheba - Australian Light Horse Association
www.lighthorse.org.au › ... › WW1 › Chargers at Beersheba

(stevebecker post on 23-10-2011, no need to log in,just scroll down.)
Mates,

For those who don't check Bill's LH site out here is a letter sent to the administrator of the site Thomo;

"As administrator of the forum, I received this interesting letter.


my grandfather Charles Lester Gordon Trewin was a 4th Light Horseman, and an Anzac veteran. I have a fair bit of his kit- jods, jackets, pistol holster,(for a Webley) spurs, leggings, and what have you. I have in my collection a great series of photographs because the old bloke took a Box Brownie with him, and, to his credit, recorded the incidents on the back of the prints. I have made a constant search for those men who actually took part in the 'Beersheerba Charge', and it seems every other bugger who's Dad ever sniffed a gelding's arse claims to have been a charger. In Smith's book about the charge you will find Charles Trewin's name recorded, but you don't have him included on your log. I know he was. And, he was up for a decoration,(for Damascus) undersigned by Bourchier, until the Surafend incident put paid to any poor buggers' shiny credits. That General Allenby took care of that,-mean bastard that he was- even though it was mostly a Kiwi affair- not that you can blame them. I have what is generally believed to be the Union Jack hoisted at Beersheeba. I think it's the real deal, no-one has ever questioned its authenticity.
Look forward to your response,"

There were a number of replys by Thomo but here is mine;

"Thanks yes I record him as;

TREWIN Charles Lester Gordon 532 2/Lt Policman age 26 Red Hill via Dromana Vic Enl 5-9-14 Emb CSqn/4 LHR. To Anzac 20-5-15 to Cpl 26-7-15 to T/Sgt 7-8-15 prom 2/Lt 17-10-15 Gallipoli. Prom Lt 28-1-16 to 4 Cml Regt 20-12-16 rtn CSqn/04 LHR 1-2-17 to 24th Hotchkiss MG Cse passed Instructor 19-3-17 attt AMD HQ 1-8-17 to instruct Topographical cse 20-10-17 rtn 22-11-17 to T/OC A Sqn 13-2-18 rtn C Sqn 22-2-18 prom Capt 6-8-18 recom award - for his actions near El Min 28-9-18 and at Damascus 30-9-18 RTA 15-1-19 "Karmala" 1914 leave later WWII (Q185232) Capt 7 Trg Bn Enl 7-7-40 disch 4-10-41

So no he wasn't at Beersheba because he was on a course. Not the first man who's relations have tried to say their soldier relation served at Beersheba.

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