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Rumneys of Manorgill, Forest & Frith, Durham

Query by mary1966

Would like to know if anyone else is researching the Rumneys. They lived at Manorgill for almost a century. Would like to know more about them other than the information from parish registers. Am very interested in Pheobe who married a Bainbridge around 1850. The line i would like to know about moved to darlington in the 1890s. Any info appreciated. Also Henry Mansfield born 1860, in Yorkshire, father of Elizabeth who married William Rumney in 1903.

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by SilverVixen on 2012-05-10 06:30:36

Phoebe married Jacon Bainbridge, 1851, Teesdale, Durham, England Q1 24 333
In the UK 1851 census, they are living with Pheobe's parents at Manor Gill, Durham
John Rumney, Head, 48 (1803) Lead Miner, born Middleton, Durham
Mary, wife, 46 (1805) Stanhope, Durham
Hannah, daughter, 20 (1831) Middleton, Durham
Elizabeth, daughter, 11 (1840), Scholar, Middleton, Durham
John, grandson, 2 (1849) Middleton
Jacob Bainbridge, son-in-law, 24 (1827) Lead Miner, Middleton
Phabe [sic] Bainbridge, daughter, 23 (1828) Middleton
Jacob Bainbridge, grandson, 0 (1 month) 1851, Middleton

In 1861 Census they are living at Hardgill, Newbiggen, Middleton
Jacob, Head, as above
Phoebe, Wife as above
Jacob, as above
Mary Ann, daughter, 6 (1865), scholar, Middleton
Mark R, son, 4 (1857) Middleton
William, son, 8 (1853) scholar, Middleton

by SilverVixen on 2012-05-10 09:24:23

1891 UK Census for Henry Mansfield, living at 29 Dickenson Street, Durham
Henry, Head, Married, 30 (1861) Railway Horse Driver, born Middleham, Yorkshire
Jane Ellenor, wife, 32 (1859), Bowes, Yorkshire
Elizabeth, daughter, 5 (1886) North Shields, Northumberland
Ernest, son, 3 (1888) Scorton, Yorkshire,
Ethel Maude, daughter 2 months (1891) Darlington, Durham

In 1881 he is living at Fieldings Buildings, Mill Lane, Richmond, Yorkshire with his first wife
Henry, Head, Married, 20 (1861) Lorryman North Eastern Railway Co (Others) Middleham, Yorkshire
Mary J, wife, 21 (1860) Lorryman's wife, Reeth, Yorkshire


Henry married Mary Jo Milner, Richmond, Yorkshire, 1880, Q3 9D 847
A Mary Jane Mansfield died Darlington, Durham aged 29: 1889, Q3 10A 14, looks like she may have died in childbirth
Henry married Jane Ellen Johnson, Darlington, Durham, 1890, Q2 10A 62

by mary1966 on 2012-05-10 12:49:07

Thanks for the info. I had the census information, but i thought that the name change was a mistake. I should have checked the deaths records but didnt. It explains a lot. It is possible she died just after her son ernest was born, or that there was another child that died with her. I know most of the census information for Pheobe Rumney as well. Though i had hoped to shed some light on the paternity of her son John Rumney. There were numerous John's who could be his father, but only one died around the same time that may be his father. But thank you for the digging anyway. Mary

by asheppard on 2012-05-10 19:08:03

I'm a little confused from your post

"I know most of the census information for Pheobe Rumney as well. Though i had hoped to shed some light on the paternity of her son John Rumney. There were numerous John's who could be his father, but only one died around the same time that may be his father"

Are you saying that the grandson on the 1851 is Phoebe's son?

Do you have the birth certificate for John Rumney born 1848 showing Phoebe Rumney as mother and a John Rumney as father?

This may be his birth

Births Jun 1848 (>99%)
RUMNEY John Teesdale 24 398

you would need to purchase certificate to verify details.

It looks like the John Rumney b1848 is living with Grandmother Mary Rumney on the 1851 Census and is still living with her on the 1861 & 1871 Census.

1861 Census
Manor Gill House Durham

Elizabeth Rumney Widow 48 (1813) Middleton farmer 22 acres
John, Son 26 (1834) Middleton Lead Miner
Margery, daughter 24 (1837) Middleton
Howard, son 19 (1842) Middleton Lead Ore Worker
Hannah, daughter 13 (1858) Middleton
Joseph, son Married 27 (1834) Middleton Lead Miner
Mary, daughter in law 24 (1837) Middleton
Ralph, grandson 3 weeks (1861) Middleton

also
Mary Rumney, Widow 56 (1805) Stanhope Parish, Durham farmer of 22 acres
Elizabeth, daughter 21 (1840) Middleton
John, grandson 13 (1848) Middleton Lead Miner

there is also a lodger John Tinkler widow 58 (1803) Middleton Lead Miner

1871 Census
Manor Gill

Elizabeth Rumney, Widow 58 (1813) Forest & Firth Durham farmer
John, son 36 (1835)Forest & Firth Lead Miner
Margery, daughter 34 (1837) Forest & Firth
Hannah, daughter 22 (1849) Forest & Firth

also
Mary Rumney, Widow 66 (1805) Stanhope Durham Farmer
Elizabeth, daughter 31 (1840) Forest & Firth Durham
John, grandson 22 (1849) Forest & Firth Lead Miner
Hannah, grand daughter 9 (1862) Forest & Firth

also
Elizabeth Anderson, widow 58 Forest & Firth Visitor
John Tinkler, widow 67 Forest & Firth Lead Miner

In 1881 Census it looks like Mary moved from Manor Gill
Mill - Newbiggin Teesdale Durham

Mary Rumney, Widow 76 (1805) Weardale Durham miners widow
Elizabeth, daughter 41 (1840) Forest & Firth Gen Labourer
Hannah, grand daughter 19 (1862) Forest & Firth Dress maker

and 1881 Census for Elizabeth & family still at Manor Gill

Manor Gill

Elizabeth Rumney, widow 67 (1814) Forest & Firth Small Farmer 22 acres
John, son 46 (1835) Forest & Firth Lead Miner
Margery, daughter 44 (1837) Forest & Firth Assisting in Household
Hannah, daughter 30 (1851) Forest & Firth Assisting in Household

no sign of John b1848 on 1881 possibly married and moved away or died.

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