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Samual Pennington born in Cheshire England

Query by shyette

I'm looking for the Pennington line from England. What I already know is as follows:
Samual Pennington born in 1804 in Cheshire England was a shoemaker married Ann(sarah)? born 1803-05 and was a dress maker.
Their children were: Mary born 1831, Ann born 1833, John born 1840 and Thomas born 1843. John is my family line and lived in Manchester Lancashire England with Sarah(Adams) born 1838 in Cheadle Cheshire England, they were married at Bushey Herfordshire Eng on Feb 14 1864. John was a painter and Sarah was a cook. Sarah died young but can't find any info on the year or why?
Their children were: William born 1868, Charles born 1871 and Ernest Albert born 1879 in England. Ernest is my family line and immigrated to Canada in 1905 and had a home in Kindersley Sask in 1916. Ernest died 1952. Ernest married Hannah Knott born in 1878 Glossop Derby England and died Sept 1960-61.
Hannah Father was Danial Knott born in 1845 Glossop Died in 1886 in Hayfield England, he married Mary Higgenbottom born Feb 7 1844 and lived in Glossop Derbyshire Eng. Mary's sibling was Henry born 1838 and died 1906. Mary had 2 stepsisters from her mothers pervious marriage?
Mary's mother was Mary Robinson born 1806 in Cheshire Eng and on June 20 1836 married Issac Higgenbottom born 1815 Hollingshead Derbyshire Eng.Issac was a night watchman at the cotton factory, and Mary(nee Robinson) was a cotton weaver, and the girls were cotton spinners.
Danial Knotts parents were: Joseph Knott born 1815 in Hattersley Cheshire England and Nancy(nanny)Robinson born 1816 Croden Brook Cheshire Eng. **(I would love to know if Nancy Robinson was related at all to Mary Robinson as the two families are so close in working in the factory and birthplaces and because joseph and nancy were married so young on Sept 21 1828, he was 13 and she 12yrs old??)They were both cotton weavers in Hayfield.
I WOULD LOVE ANY MORE INFO TO FILL IN MISSING PIECES AND TO CONFIRM I HAVE IT EXACTY RIGHT. I REALLY WANT TO COMPLETE THESE LINES AS FAR BACK AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

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by asheppard on 2012-01-05 21:05:59

This could possibly be Sarah's death - she is on the 1881 Census with John and children but John is Widow on 1891

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Pennington Sarah 54 Chorlton 8c 583

Do you have the Birth Certificates for John & Sarah's Children - it looks like Ernest Albert was born in 1878 not 1879.

Childrens Births
Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
PENNINGTON William Henry Chorlton 8c 654

Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
Pennington Charles Herbert Chorlton 8c 629

Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
PENNINGTON Ernest Albert Chorlton 8c 706

Marriage for Charles unfortunately there is only one female but two males listed, you would need to purchase this certificate to find out his spouse.
Marriages Jun 1891 (>99%)
Pennington Charles Herbert Chorlton 8c 1144

Charles is on the 1911 England Census with wife Mary and children, married 20 years, 7 children, 5 living 2 deceased.

Ernest Albert is on the 1901 Census with Hannah and his father John - looks like John died between 1901 and 1911 Census possibly before Ernest & Hannah left for Canada in 1905.

This could be a possibility as it's the right age and area
Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)
Pennington John 62 Chorlton 8c 515

Marriage for Ernest & Hannah
Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%)
Knott Hannah Glossop 7b 1055
Pennington Ernest Albert Glossop 7b 1055

Have you seen the 1911 Canadian census for Ernest & Hannah, he is listed as Albert and his arrival date is 1902 it differs slightly from the 1916 Census, but wife Hannah, sons Archie, Jack (John) and Irvine, are the same, it does say all children born Mann, but Archie & John were born in England.

Childrens Birth
Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
Pennington Archie Chorlton 8c 843
Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
PENNINGTON John Chorlton 8c 712

by shyette on 2012-01-05 23:46:19

Thanks so much, no I don't have any birth certificates, just paid for apx 8months of research on ancestry.ca/com/uk...found all my info there, that plus what my mom has filled me in on.
Yes, I thought that might be Sarah's death year as well, it fits with the timeline for sure.
I will modify my tree a bit to either or birth dates for Ernest Albert.
Are you any relation to this/our family here? I might have info or pics you might like?
many thanks for your reply and hope to talk soon.
marilyn

by asheppard on 2012-01-06 23:51:29

I'm not related I just like to help where I can.

I think your best option would be to purchase a few certificates.

The marriage certificate for John Pennington & Sarah Adams (below)

Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%)
Adams Sarah Watford 3a 355
Pennington John Watford 3a 355

Birth certificate for John b1840

This could be Johns Birth, his marriage will give you more details to double check

Births Dec 1839 (>99%)
Pennington John Chorlton 20 192

the marriage will also give you more details on Sarah Adams you may be able to find her birth as well.

The marriage certificate for Ernest Albert Pennington & Hannah Knott 1900

Birth certificate for Ernest Albert Pennington and also Hannah Knott,

Sarah's death certificate should also give you some useful information.

all the certificates will give you more details as well as confirming parents names and occupations, they can hold some surprising information.

GRO is the best place to purchase them cost around 9 pounds last time I used them.

by asheppard on 2012-01-07 01:01:43

Knott Family, I'm not sure that the marriage information that you have for Joseph & Nancy (Nanny) Robinson is correct, I found this marriage in the Parish register

U.K. Parish Register Information
County Derbyshire
Place Glossop
Church All Saints
Register Number
Marriage Date 29 Jun 1835
Groom Forename Joseph
Groom Surname KNOTT
Groom Age
Groom Parish
Groom Condition Bachelor
Groom Occupation
Groom Abode Glossop
Bride Forename Nanny
Bride Surname HALL
Bride Age
Bride Parish Glossop
Bride Condition Spinster
Bride Occupation
Bride Abode
Groom Father Forename
Groom Father Surname
Groom Father Occupation
Bride Father Forename
Bride Father Surname
Bride Father Occupation
Witness One Forename James
Witness One Surname PLATT
Witness Two Forename Robert
Witness Two Surname WINTERBOTTOM
Notes
FileNumber 20375


This is Joseph in the 1841 Census
1841 England Census about Joseph Knott
Name: Joseph Knott
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Glossop
Hundred: High Peake
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Hayfield and Glossop
Sub-registration district: Glossop
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 185
Book: 17
Folio: 35
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Knott 27
Nanny Knott 23
Sarah Ann Knott 3
Samuel Knott 1

Sarah Ann's Birth
Births Jun 1838 (>99%)
Knott Sarah Ann Hayfield 19 486

and Daniels Birth
Births Jun 1843 (>99%)
KNOTT Daniel Hayfield &c 19 532


Joseph in 1851 Census with wife and 5 children

Sarah A Knott 12
Samuel Knott 10
Daniel Knott 7
Martha Knott 3
Ralph Knott 1 Mo

Joseph in 1861 census with wife and 4 children presume Sarah Ann married, young Ralph has died.

Sarah Ann Knott 23
Samuel Knott 27
Daniel Knott 17
Martha Knott 13
Joseph Knott 5
John Carroll 26

Ralphs death
Deaths Sep 1857 (>99%)
Knott Ralph Hayfield 7b 355


Joseph in 1871 Census with wife and youngest son

Jos Knott 57
Nancy Knott 55
Joseph Knott 15

This is possibly Josephs death
Deaths Mar 1881 (>99%)
KNOTT Joseph 67 Hayfield 7b 478

This is possibly Nanny's death
Deaths Jun 1880 (>99%)
Knott Nanny 64 Hayfield 7b 440

by shyette on 2012-01-07 18:30:58

Hello Asheppard,
Yes, it looks like all the information you found is what I have except for the last name of nancy and their marriage date. May I ask where you found the parish record on this marriage? I didn't find a marriage date on ancestry for them, but I did find, what i thought, was josephs marriage date on "familysearch", I typed in Josephs birthdate and that came up, and seens how it was the right first name "nancy" then that's how I got Nancy's last name Robinson. Hmmm..I will wait to see where you found this marriage info and I'll check it out too.
thanks a million
marilyn

by asheppard on 2012-01-07 19:35:23

The Parish information I found is at this site.

http://www.freereg.org.uk

the site below is for Birth Deaths & Marriages England & Wales Sept 1837 onwards

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

both these sites are free to search and hold information on most UK Births, Death,s Marriages and the Free Reg holds some information on Baptisms, Marriages and Burials pre 1837 not all transcribed as yet.

The marriage for Joseph Knott & Nanny Hall is also on Family search as an extracted parish record.

Groom's Name: Joseph Knott
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Nanny Hall
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 29 Jun 1835
Marriage Place: Glossop,Derby,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05449-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 498085
Reference Number:

1828 Knott/Robinson Marriage
Groom's Name: Joseph Knott
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Nancy Robinson
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 21 Sep 1828
Marriage Place: Mottram In Longdendale,Cheshire,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04293-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 424861
Reference Number:


It did seem too young for Joseph & Nanny (Nancy) to be married at 12 & 13 years old but it is possible you would need to check the image record for both of the marriages to rule one or both out, and Nanny instead of Nancy is consistent throughout the Census and her death.

The best thing to do would be get a copy of Daniels Birth certificate to check the parents names and go from there.

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