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Solving a 111 Year Old Mystery Part 2: Shaking the Family Tree

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on 2012-09-04 01:05:01

Todd L. Martini

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by mowsehowse on 2012-09-05 02:53:40

Brilliant story. Well done!!

by flodjod on 2012-09-08 22:26:37

I so know the feeling of having discovered that my gt gt grandparents were from australia and convicts to boot. i had no idea that any of my family had come to NZ via Australia

by fxmartini on 2012-09-09 00:28:54

It was definitely a surprise, but a good surprise to find out I'm descended from Australian Royalty. ;)

by rossco12 on 2012-09-09 03:39:21

there was a gary Cohen here on the gold coast about 10 / 15 year back worked at "Trio Ford" at Southport and sold me a few cars.

Ross Davis

by fxmartini on 2012-09-09 03:51:21

Thanks Ross! Cohen is actually a pretty common name, but you never know. :)

by Janine_Sullivan on 2012-09-09 05:58:44

Thank you for your amazing story and I had to laugh at the bit about waking up and getting up and going to the computer, because I have done that many, many times. I am also descended from someone with Jewish heritage and my great grandfather married a gentile woman in 1857 in Wollongong but I don't think he continued his Jewish faith. Thanks for sharing your story. Janine

by fxmartini on 2012-09-09 15:35:29

Thanks Janine,

Getting up in the middle of the night to do research is fine on a weekend, but I had to get up and go to work the next day! ;)

Thanks for letting me know about your Great-Grandfather's interfaith marriage. I've been trying to determine how common these marriages were during the late 19th/early 20th century in Australia. I'll probably never know for sure, but I think that our Jewish heritage probably had something to do with the fact that my family hid our origins. (Being descended from Second Fleet convicts probably had something to do with it too.)

With the help of some acquaintances (and long lost family) I'm doing research in South Africa and Australia right now, so hopefully I'll have even more information on my family soon enough. :)

-- Todd


by psanders_1 on 2012-09-09 18:06:39

Wonderful story, so happy you found them.

by robin_molly on 2012-09-09 19:50:23

This is such an inspirational story. Well done. I well know the feelings of frustration and family secrets. keep up the good work.
I think you are probably right about the Jewish origins being part of the reason this was kept so quiet - that and the Australian convicts. people are so funny aren't they. I personally would be delighted to find such people in my ancestry.


by mizwiz33 on 2012-09-09 21:34:43

I know what you must have gone through looking for your G/G/Grandparents. both of mine are hiding somewhere in Ireland so will have to hang in there like you and keep trying...yes also after 20 years or more!
Now you have mentioned a few names that I know who are living in Herbert River District in North Queensland. Both the name Cross and Martini are well known here. Would you like me to let them know about this letter? I think the Martini Family originally came out from Italy not sure about the Cross Family. Both families have lived in this district for a long time so you never know, could be another leaf in your tree here in Queensland Australia!
Will wait for your reply.
Good wishes

by Cher64 on 2012-09-10 05:18:38

I love this story. I feel so excited for you. I live in Sydney, Australia. My gggrandmother was Scotish and my gggrandfather was Polish (jewish) They lived in Victoria and Margaret's father Henry owned sawmills.

All the very best with your research.


by Mattie14 on 2012-09-10 08:43:52

What a lovely story, it is so rewarding when you find definite information about your ancestors.

My Gt.Gt.Grandfather was also also Jewish, his Father Moses(b1785)came to England in 1789 & his Mother Ann King(b1789)came to England in 1796, they had a sn in 1825 named Isaac Lyons King born in 1825 who was my Gt Gt Grandfather, my Gt Gt Grandmmother was Eliza Apperley, they had several children one of whom was my Gt Grandfather Barnet King Apperley c1852-1911 Father of my Grandmother Lizzie Apperley (Isaac dropped the King name when his Father Isaac deserted his Mother leaving her to raise 6 children alone.

by fxmartini on 2012-09-10 15:28:26

Thanks everyone, looks like there are a lot of Australians on Family Tree Circles!

@mizwiz33 Definitely let the Cross family know about the letter. There are 30,000 descendants of Charles Cross & Rose Flood in the Cross family registry, so there's a good chance they may be relatives. :) Not sure about the Martinis. It's a very common name in Northern Italy and I don't have a record of any Australian migration in my family, but it's possible.

@robin_molly I think it's awesome too! We have a long history of colorful characters on both sides of my family, so this just adds to the story. :)

by wyn on 2012-09-10 17:08:00

I just loved going along on this journey with you,and feel the happiness for you as i also have just had a little opening in to a shut door to my past......happy more link ups for you,and would love to read more on where you next journey takes you.....good luck.

by taxisixo on 2012-09-10 23:12:27

Love every story,they're all great. Religion was not a big hurdle in 19th Century Australia and despite the fact that I'm nominally Catholic, I have many Jewish relatives in the family, on both sides, Taber, Goldstein, Goldner, to name a few. I think it was more to do with the isolation and the chance to meet prospective partners than any particular religious denomination. I also have Presbyterian, C. of E., Methodist etc. My husband has both Catholic nuns and Mormans, and of course we both have Convicts. It's not until relatively recent times that it's become "fashionable" to have a convict or two in the family. Just as a bit of trivia, I believe that when "frost" is applied to a sandstone headstone it will show up the inscription clearly. Cheers from the Hunter Valley, NSW, Australia.

by LeicsAncestors on 2012-09-17 03:29:09

Hope that you make the journey!

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