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the 12 children of Thomas Frost PAYNE & Marianne Elizabeth PAPPRILL, Christchurch

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Thomas Frost PAYNE was born 1844 in Newton Abbot, Teignbridge District, Devon, England

Marianne Elizabeth PAPPRILL was born 1854 in Papanui, Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zeaand
- a daughter of Joseph William PAPPRILL of Holborn, Middlesex, England & Sarah Elizabeth MOORE of Maids Moreton, Buckinghamshire, England
- Joseph William Papprill, an Innkeeper, was born 3 May 1828 in Holborn, Middlesex & died 1 September 1901 in Taita, Upper Hutt. Sarah Elizabeth Moore was born 6 Sep 1853 in Christchurch, a daughter of Henry MOORE (born 1816 in Buckinghamshire - died 1895 in Petone) & Theresa COLEY (his 1st of 3 wives, was born 1836 in Buckinghamshire - she died in 18 May 1851 off the coast of Africa from seasickness & diarrhorea after 2 months of sea sickness during their voyage on the "Bangalore" )


Thomas and Marianne married on 8 Feb 1873 in Tweed House, Cashel St, Christchurch
- He was 29 and she was 19
- they had 12 known children in Christchurch:

15 January 1873 - Thomas Joseph Payne
- he married Ada Eugenie BARRETT (1880-1964) in 1899
- Ada was born in Rakaia
- Thomas was a Blacksmith
- they lived in Colombo St Christcurch
- Thomas died of Pulmonary Tuberculosis 4 November 1913 aged 39
- he is buried in Plot 67 - Block 4 at Linwood Cemetery
- Ada remarried in 1922 to Percy MITCHELL
- she died on 1 August 1964 aged 84 and is buried in Plot 473 - Block 38 at Ruru Lawn cemetery

14 June 1876 - Frances Maud Payne
- a twin with Emma
- she married John Miller HOWAT (1874-1918) in 1905
- Frances died in 1950 aged 74

14 June 1876 - Emma Elizabeth Payne
- a twin with Frances
- she lived at 179 Salisbury St, Christchurch
- Emma died on 26 July 1897 aged 21 in Christchurch
- she is buried in Plot 154 - Block 23 at Linwood Cemetery

31 March 1878 - Sophia Annie Payne
- she lived at 183 Salisbury St, Christchurch
- in Dec 1886 Sophia was in Class IV of the 'Christchurch Normal School' when she won a prize for Recitation & Reading
- she had a base born son, Herbert Payne, born 26 Feb 1901 - died 9 Nov 1982. The informant of his birth was M. Payne of the same address - (thanks to tobydog for that additional info 9-11-2011)
- Herbert married Evelyn Elsie WOOD (born 14 March 1902 - died 22 Sep 1997) of Kaiapoi on the 22 April 1925 in Rangiora. They had 3 children
- Sophia died on 18 September 1903 in Christchurch aged 24
- she is buried Plot 67 - Block 4 at Linwood Cemetery

25 April 1880 - Marianne Violet Payne
- married Arthur James EADE (1885-1943) in 1909
- Arthur was born in West Melton, he was a Tomato Grower
- they lived at 28 Hay St Christchurch
- Arthur died on 9 April 1943 aged 58, buried with Marianne
- she died on 3 June 1960 aged 79
- buried Plot 20 - Block 30 at Bromley Cemetery
- Marianne died in 1960 aged 80

12 October 1881 - Ethel Harriett Payne
- married Thomas SMITH in 1906
- Ethel died aged 77

18 February 1884 - Charles Payne
- Charles was a Bootmaker
- he lived at 223 Riccarton Rd, Christchurch
- he died on 30 June 1958 aged 74
- buried Plot 135 - Block 8 at Memorial Park Cemetery

6 November 1885 - William Payne
- nothing known

22 December 1887 - Alice Payne
- married Albert Henry TAYLOR in 1911

14 April 1889 - Florence Jane Payne
- married George Edward STEERE (1887-1964) in 1912, Christchurch
- George was born in Wellington, he was a Mechanic
- he died on 22 December 1964 aged 71, buried with Florence
- Florence died on 6 March 1986 in Christchurch aged 96
- she is buried in Plot 228 - Block 3 at Bromley Cemetery

6 April 1892 - Nellie Payne
- married Walter Stephen BADHAM (1891-1950) in 1915
- they lived at 19 Wildberry St, Christchurch
- Walter was a Bootmaker, he died 7 June 160, buried with Nellie
- Nellie died on 22 January 1962 aged 69
- she is buried in Plot 296 - Block 37 at Ruru Lawn, Christchurch

15 April 1894 - Walter Payne
- Walter died on 8 November 1894 aged 7 months
- he had been living at 179 Salisbury St Christchurch
- he is buried in Plot 172NWC - Block 27 at Linwood Cemetery


Thomas Frost Payne died on 17 April 1898 aged 53
- he had been living at 179 Salisbury St, Christchurch
- he was a Gardener
- he is buried in Plot 142 - Block 23 at Linwood Cemetery

Marianne Elizabeth Payne died on 15 July 1939 aged 85
- she had been living at her daughter Florence Jane's home (Mrs George Edward Steer) at 5 Wildberry St, Woolston, Christchurch
- she is buried in plot 459 - Block 17 at Bromley Cemetery


N O T E

... thanks to tobydog for the following:
- anything in italics is my addition -

* It would appear that my grandfather was illigitimate and may have been placed in an orphanage until he became of age and then sent to the Burnham Industrial Camp
So far I have not been able to obtain records to the camp but I believe they may be held in Wellington

* Herbert was born to Sophia Payne on 26th Feb 1901 - she was 21 years of age and her address was Salisbury Street, (central) Christchurch (no number)

* Sophia Annie Payne died September 17th September 1903 of Phthisis Pulmonalis Collapse (Tuberculosis) buried 20th Seprtember 1903 at Linwood - Minister R. T. Matthews.
At time of Death she lived at 183 Salisbury Road and her occupation was described as Domestic Duties
Her parents lived at 179 Salisbury Road
According to my father Salisbury Street was renowned for big old houses turned into flats/appartments

* All the Payne children were baptised into the Anglican Church and I have searched these records for details in the Christchurch Library - either at St Lukes or St Matthews in St Albans (ironically where my family all went to Sunday School when we lived in Chistchurch) - the sponsers were nearly always the parents or Papprills

* Sophia's Dad died in 1898 and Marianne had about 5 children under the age of 21 when my grandfather was born

* Herbert Payne married Evelyn Elsie Wood of Kaiapoi 22 April 1925 in Rangiora and they had 3 children

* Herbert was on the Railways at this time where he worked all his life. He worked in the Horriville (North Canterbury), Southbridge, Kaiapoi, Hamden and then around the Christchurch areas.

* What I dont know is what happened to Herbert Payne after he was born - was he whisked straight into an orphanage and then sent to Burnham Industrial School? certainly was something he would never discuss with his children or myself when I asked before he passed away in 1982.

* I do know that he was taken from the school and fostered by local Beekeeper/Handyman Charles Nicol and his wife Helen (this was Charles Lee NICHOLL (1866-1936) and Helena Augusta ORCHARD, born 26 Feb 1867 in Burnham, 1 of 11 children of Charles ORCHARD & Jane BOSS - she died 17 Feb 1954 at the Jubilee Home in Christchurch)
- Charles taught at the school

* I believe they only had a daughter who was born in 1908 (this was Dorothy Helena Louisa Nicholl)) and so they took in my Grandfather to help round the farm

* I have spoken to their granddaughter and although she can remember her mother speaking about my Grandfather she is unable to recall anything significant

* My Dad is now 84 and can remember the Nicholls well and he was led to believe they were his grandparents
- they did not adopt Herbert

* I am now trying to ascertain what Anglican Orphanges were in the Christchurch area and if I can access their records

If you recognise these names or know of any info on these people mentioned above or if you can help with orphanages or where to obtain old records of the Burnham Industrial Camp PLEASE leave a comment below

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on 2011-01-23 03:38:41

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by ngairedith on 2011-09-11 07:22:38

updated for tobydog (9-11-2011) researching grandfather Herbert Payne

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