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THE EARLY ROADS TO SYDNEY FROM MELBOURNE,VIC., AUST.

Journal by itellya

Hay Lonie operated his dairying on a farm owned by James Hearn,15 B Will Will Rook, which fronted Pascoe Vale Rd, so how is it that when the farm was placed on sale in 1868,it was described as being on the old Sydney road?

EXCERPTS FROM THE HAY LONIE JOURNAL.(Only parts of the text have been corrected.)
TUESDAf, MARCH iiHi} esend. Agricultural inil Grazing Fjrni, ATill ff ill Rook, fronting the Old Sydney road ,Between Broadmeadows and Campbellfield 305 Acres Tlrat-elosa Land In tho Trust Estafo ofltho late Mr James Hearn.
M3 ROBERT BYRNE** ia favoured with Instruc. tiona to SELL bj AUCTION, ut his rooina, 2S Collins street east, on Tjesda}, March 24, at twelveo clock noon precise!}, {
That well known dairy and agricultural farm, adjoining Campbellfield, being Allotment B of Section 15 parish of Will Will Rook, containing 305.5 acres lately occupied by H Lonie, Esq.
(P.2, Argus, 16-3-1868.)



*The original Sydney Rd passed the Young Queen Inn at Melway 16 H9,near Bass St,turning left at 6 G9, veering right onto Johnstone (sic) St at 6 C8 (to avoid the creek) and left into Raleigh St, turning right again up the Ardlie St hill and then it was follow your nose (Mickleham Rd)to Wallan. The road is still called Old Sydney Rd north of Donnybrook Rd. This roundabout and very hilly route was necessary because of the Sydney road track being extremely boggy in wet weather. Later Pascoe Vale Road was made to the line of Somerton Rd, which was made toward Sydney Rd between Thorngrove and Cameron's Stony Fields/Roxburgh Park,with travellers possibly veering north east through the middle of the township where the Cliffords and Kernans were pioneers (Cliffords Rd.) Another route was along High St or Plenty Rd which also joined the Sydney road (and the road to the McIvor Diggings) near Wallan. When the direct route was made, the Young Queen and Broadmeadows Township went into limbo and a new Young Queen was built at Coburg.(Melway touring map 510 A10.)
SOURCES: BROADMEADOWS :A FORGOTTEN HISTORY,A.Lemon; BETWEEN TWO CREEKS (Coburg),R.Broome.

Surnames: BYRNE CAMERON CLIFFORD HEARN JOHNSON KERNAN LONIE
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Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by itellya on 2013-10-22 04:44:02

Things were fine and dandy at J.P.Fawkner's Village in 1849 but things were soon to change. Howitt recommended taking the road to the Young Queen Inn as being the best route to Sydney. Some of these hotels were largely on the roads to Sydney.

GENERAL LICENSING DAY.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 20 April 1849 p 4 Article
... Plough Inn, Plenty Road. Walter Butler, Ship Inn, Williams Town. J. Elijah Crook, Woolpack Inn, Bacchus Marsh. J. Parslowe, Young Queen, Pascoe vale. James Dunbar, Flemington Inn, Moonee ... Hotel, Syd- ney Road. William Wright, Bridge Inn, Deep Creek. Sarah Wells, Golden Fleece, Pent- ridge. ... 328 words

Mary Ann McLear lost her husband,John, on Boxing Day of this year, at a race meeting near the Plough Inn at Plenty, and soon after, the brave widow became a pioneer of the Dromana district. Parslowe's Young Queen was just north of the Pascoe Vale Rd bridge as described in the journal.Tulip Wright's inn was at Bulla, not on the route to Sydney, but Macedon or Deep Creek Rd was soon to become THE GREAT ROAD TO THE DIGGINGS for about 5 years.

The new Young Queen Inn would be described as being in Pentridge until 1869 when the locality was renamed as a result of a Royal visit, using part of the royal name, Saxe-Coburg. During the war, some residents wanted to ditch this German name in favour of Moreland.

by janilye on 2013-10-22 14:41:30

You're not taking the word of a Real Estate Agent are you itellya? I've seen many a 'Beachfront Lot' which wasn't on the beach.

by itellya on 2013-10-22 18:10:06

Ha, ha! Some Coburg Real Estate Agents told the truth. One told me that a penniless twerp like me had no hope of buying Wentworth House at the east end of Le Cateau St in Pascoe Vale Sth.

Heritage listed,it was the homestead of the La Rose estate,granted to Arundel Wrighte, which Dr Farquhar McCrae bought, leaving his grant, "Moreland" in the capable hands of Bulla pioneer, Michael Loeman, who leased it for 14 years, accounting for the bridge in Moreland Rd being named the Loeman Bridge. The core of the house is believed to have been built by the Doc, but the bluestone treasure was mainly built by the family of Coiler Robertson (of La Rose, and Trinifour in Park St, not Upper Keilor, Aberfeldie and Mar Lodge or Gowrie Park Campbellfield.) Coiler Robertson's son, James, who arrived in Aussie as a teenaged brewer, was probably responsible for the success of the McCracken Brewery and his sister, Grace, married Peter McCracken, of Stewarton (Gladstone Park), Kensington, Ardmillan (Moonee Ponds) and a heritage-listed house in East Melbourne* (when losses on the private Essendon railway forced him to sell Ardmillan.)

*Residence - 104 Gipps Street East Melbourne (Heritage Listed ...
www.onmydoorstep.com.au/heritage-listing/2972/residence

I must confess to a fib (the first paragraph, re the real estate agent's comment.) But seriously those R.E. agents can probably tell the truth when no money is involved. Mr Cooke, like politician, Sam Merrifield (founder of the Essendon Historical Society and author of THE ANNALS OF ESSENDON, on which Bob Chalmers based his recent expanded annals), would never lie about the history they obviously cared so much about. Spencer Jackson's BEAUTIFUL DROMANA was a big plug for his Foreshore and Panoramic Estate but you can bet his historical content was as accurate as possible.

by itellya on 2013-10-22 18:13:58

Janilye'scomment arose from B.Cooke's memories in my COBURG journal. He was a real
estate agent.

by itellya on 2013-10-27 20:51:36

WHY DO I THINK THAT CLIFFORDS ROAD WAS PART OF THE LINK BETWEEN OLD SYDNEY ROAD AND SYDNEY ROAD?
(Google "Yuroke,County of Bourke" to find many parish maps.)
1. The south west corner of section 6,parish of Yuroke was right at the end of Old Sydney (Pascoe Vale) road and from this point Cliffords Rd ran (magnetic) north east exactly bisecting section 6. The original south west end of Cliffords Rd is indicated by David Munroe Drive and was cut off by the North Eastern Railway in about 1872. CLIFFORDS ROAD WAS BOTH A DIRECT LINK AND A SHORT CUT.

2.When the plan of subdivision of section 6, Yuroke, was drawn in 1863, Cliffords Rd was used as a crown allotment boundary, just as Bulla Rd was in section 16,Doutta Galla,producing a diamond shaped subdivision. This indicates that Cliffords Rd was already there and that perhaps because both had probably been farmers'commons*, travellers had felt free to take a bee line through them.(*This would explain the latish alienation of both.) Government township suburban lots were usually as rectangular as possible but if there were existing tracks, these were used as crown allotment boundaries (such as extensions of Brown St and Raglan St leading to Grimes' Ford (at the end of today's Rhonda St)at Avondale Heights.(Braybrook Township map.)
USE OF CLIFFORDS RD FOR CROWN ALLOTMENT BOUNDARIES INDICATES IT EXISTED BEFORE 1863.

3. Anybody who has crossed Moonee Ponds Creek on Albion St would notice a dog leg near the bridge (common to other crossings nearby.) That is because east-west crown allotment boundaries in the parishes of Doutta Galla and Jika Jika do not quite line up with each other. The same situation existed with Somerton Road. On three Yuroke maps it is shown ending at the boundary with the parish of Wollert and in a later map as a dotted line for a short distance. Somerton Rd, a crown allotment boundary in the parishes of Yuroke and Bulla, seems to have been made in stages with each section give a different name such as Green's (sic) and Mallon's near Bulla. To extend the road into Wollert would have been more costly; going through rather than between freehold properties would mean double the fencing for farmers, or cut off bits becoming useless, thus more compensation.
MANY SIGNS THAT SOMERTON RD (east) WAS MADE LATER BECAUSE IT HAD TO PASS THROUGH RATHER THAN BETWEEN FREEHOLD PROPERTIES.

4. The link from Old Sydney road met the new line near SOMERTON INN.
The Somerton Hotel with owner John Kernan and his wife pictured out front.

The Somerton Hotel existed as early as 1845 on the right hand side of Sydney Road at Somerton. It is said to have been situated on the corner of 13 Mile Lane (Pattulos Lane) and Sydney Road and next to the old Somerton School. One of the descriptions of the actual school site is given in The Little Book of Somerton and Craigieburn Schools and was 'in brief, where the site of the Somerton Depot of the Road Construction Authority was situated on the Hume Highway'. John Kernan a long time and local resident of the Craigieburn and Somerton areas recalls the Somerton Hotel as being 'just a little bit south of Pattulo's Lane on the east side of Sydney Road'.

The Somerton Hotel was described in the Cole Hotel Index as "The Somerton Hotel of ten rooms and 60 acre farm on the main Sydney Road, 13 miles from Melbourne and one mile from Craigieburn Station, built of bluestone"
(www.chig.asn.au/new_somerton_hotel_page.htm&#8206;)
i.e. Craigieburn Historical Interest Group-doing a fine job! NUFF SAID!

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