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on 2013-08-11 21:52:12

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by itellya on 2013-08-17 00:55:54

by itellya on 2013-08-17 22:05:06

by itellya on 2013-08-17 22:13:57

Just noticed another boo-boo. The paraphrase of the entry of the 21st states that the cow followed the calf and that of the 24th states that the calf followed the cow. It's amazing how history can be distorted by careless errors, no matter how well annotated it is.

by itellya on 2013-08-18 00:10:14

by itellya on 2013-08-26 05:53:23

As the surname list is already full, as you will see below, with BLAIR becoming BL and CAIN and ROWLEY completely disappearing, a new journal entitled SURNAMES LIST FOR "THE ORIENTAL COAST OF PORT PHILLIP BAY" will be started to contain surnames that are not able to be included in this journal's surname list.

by itellya on 2013-08-26 10:18:45

Something that really frustrates me is when I can't find something in trove that I've previously read. You will notice in the journal that there is an advertisement for Gravesend (1880's) just after I stated that Robert Byrne had been advertising it in 1854, not the 1854 advertisement. That was because I couldn't find it. Eventually, I found it by entering "new township, gravesend".

Combinations of Gravesend with R.Byrne and Schnapper Point hadn't worked and it was just as well I remembered "new township." The reason Schnapper Point didn't work was because Mornington was originally called Snapper Point and it was some time before the German spelling was commonly used.

It worked out well though. By using Schnapper Point, I had discovered where Gravesend was, near Nelson Street.

Byrne had two consecutive advertisements for Gravesend in the paper specified, the first publicising the free steamer trip and the second describing the location and the types of trees,including wild cherry, that grew there.

by itellya on 2013-08-29 05:09:52

Another itellya boo boo! The Dromana hotel was NOT built in 1857. See under DROMANA in the journal.

by itellya on 2013-09-01 02:03:47

While trying to locate the article about Port Phillip Bay that led to my use of "Oriental" (for east) in the title of this journal, I discovered a different article which contains first hand accounts of the pre-contact coast of Port Phillip Bay by Bowen, Grimes etc. Not of much value to family historians but fascinating for those with an interest in the area's past.

Illustrated Australian News (Melbourne, Vic. : 1876 - 1889) Saturday 18 December 1886 Supplement: SUPPLEMENT TO THE ILLUSTRATED AUSTRALIAN NEWS p 3 Article Illustrated.

C.P.Billot stated in THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER that Collins' motives for abandoning the Sullivan's Bay Settlement and moving to the settlement near Hobart were more to do with providing himself with independence from his Sydney overlord. I wonder if Collins was aware that a surgeon's wife had spilled the beans about the move. Her letter is contained in the above article.

In October, 1803, Lieutenant-Colonel Collins arrived with the Calcutta, man of war, and the Ocean, transport, and landed a large party of convicts a mile and a half north of tho present site of Sorrento. A few months later Collins removed the settlement to Tasmania, or Van Diemen's Land as it was called, alleging as his reason tho scarcity of freshwater and good land.

The abandoned port, however, had a friend in Mrs. Hopley, wife of one of the surgeons to the expedition, who wrote to her sister : " We arrived in October,1803. My pen is not able to describe half the beauties of that delightful spot. We were four months there. Much to my mortification, as well as loss, we were obliged to abandon the settlement through the whim and caprice of the Lieutenant-Governor. Additional loss to Government, and additional loss of individuals were increased by removing to Van Diemen's Land, which can never be made to answer. Port Phillip is my favorite, and has my warmest wishes. During the time we were there I never felt one ache or pain, and I parted with it with more regret than I did my native land."

by itellya on 2013-09-05 22:42:31

It is ironic that the Mornington Peninsula Shire, the eastern part of whose territory is covered in this journal, and the rest in other journals, should be responsible for bringing my thousands of hours of unpaid endeavour to an end. It started last year when a long-serving councillor was telling porkies and I opposed him in the election, and has deprived me of the environment that enables me to spend up to 10 hours a day recording the shire's history.

by itellya on 2013-09-06 03:22:43

Silly me, the eastern coast of Port Phillip Bay is the WESTERN part of the shire!

by itellya on 2013-09-07 05:38:11

The Cairns and Williams families arrived in the 1850's and have not been mentioned in the journal because it was a bit hard to decide in which location to mention them.

Robert Cairns arrived in 1852 and settled at Boneo on the north east corner of Boneo and Browns Rds. His brothers, David and Alexander, joined him a couple of years later.
They were the only limeburners east of Boneo Rd that I've seen mentioned. Boneo is hardly coastal but the brothers and their descendants moved to all points of the compass, Brendan Cairns playing in Sorrento Football Club's recent premiership teams.
Three descendants were Rosebud residents, Back Road Bob, Rosebud Ted and Eleanora Davie, the last named donating "Eleanora" as a nurses' refuge; it is part of the Rosebud Hospital.

Mary Campbell came out with Robert Cairns and his wife, Mary (nee Drysdale) and her parents who settled at Drysdale. She was a servant at Burrell's Arthurs Seat when she met Edward Williams, who had arrived in 1855 on a survey ship. Edward (Ned), regarded as an astonishing harvester by the McLears of Dromana, cut a road around Anthony's Nose in 1866, with Robert White took the old lighthouse (McCrae) to the Arthurs Seat summit as a lookout tower and straightened the end of Chinamans Creek, which was ill-defined and used to enter the bay near the Rosebud Hospital Site. Before buying his grants straddling Browns Rd just east of Truemans Rd, he seems to have resided on Sidney Smith Crispo's grants at "Manners-Sutton". He opened a butcher shop in Sorrento but later bought Crispo's "Eastbourne", building the Limestone house at 17 William! Crescent renting his Browns Rd land to in-laws such as Connop and Woonton. His son, James Campbell Williams (Jimmy the Squid) used to transport fishermen's catches (left on the roadside) to the Mornington railhead. Jimmy's grave is at the Rye Cemetery right before the Kennedy/Patterson/Stenniken graves. His brother, Edward (known as Ted, according to the late Ray Cairns) died within a day of him and was probably buried in the same grave.

by itellya on 2013-09-08 05:59:27

The OH NOES gremlins have struck again. The 1849 notice re leases of pre-emptive rights may eventually submit.

by itellya on 2013-09-08 07:22:47

Superintendent's Office, Melbourne, 8th August, 1849.
(requiring payment of rent for approved selections under pre-emption.) His Excellency the Governor directs it to be notified, for the information of all persons concerned, that in pursuance of the 22nd Clause of the Regu-lations of 29th March, 1848, His Excellency has been pleased to approve of the Claims which have been made by the parties enumerated in the annexed list, to the pre-emptive right to Leases of the several portions of Land referred to.
2. It is necessary that the rent, viz., Twenty Shillings per section of 640 acres, for the remainder of the present year, for the Lands in question, be paid into the Sub-Treasury, at, Melbourne, within one month from the present date : in default of which the Leases of the Lands will, in accordance with the 26th Clause of the Regulations, be put up to sale by auction.
By His Excellency's Command, C. J. LA TROBE.

Number, Name, Address, Lot No., Acres, Parish size?, Situation.
2. Alex Balcombe, Melbourne, 1, 640, 4790 ac., Pt Phillip Bay.
3. John Barker, Cape Schanck, 1, 640, 16x640 ac, Western Port Bay.
4. John Barker, -------- ditto,-- 1, 640, 12x640 ac.,-----ditto.
8. Owen Cain, Dandenong! ---, 1, 640, Point Nepean (Only lot in parish.)
14, James Davey, no address, 1, 640, 4x640 ac lots?, not given.
17. Martha Jane King, W'port, 1, 640, 5x640?, Westernport.
19. Andrew M.McCrae, ArthursSeat, 1, 640, 3x640?, Sth of Kang. Survey.
35. George Smith, Pt. Nepean, 1, 640, 30x640, Port Phillip Bay.
36. Daniel Sullivan, Pt. Nepean, 1, 640, 4x640, Pt. Phillip Bay.
37. Richard Tonks,--- Point King,----- 1, only lot, Port Phillip Bay.
38. Henry Tuck, Manton's Creek, 1, 10x640, Westernport Bay.
41. Robert White, Pt Nepean, 1, 640,5x640, Port Phillip Bay.
N.B. The column headed Parish size? should probably be size of run. For example, Andrew McCrae,John Barker (Boneo) and George Smith were all in Wannaeue, John Barker and Henry Tuck on the western and eastern part of Flinders, and Dennis Sullivan, Robert White and Richard Tonks all in the parish of Nepean. I would have to check whether James Davey's P.R. was on the Kannanuke Run (near Davey's Bay) or the Ballanrong Run just east of Mornington, at that time.

by itellya on 2013-10-02 07:06:54

The following report has been used to some extent for my journal LEAVE THE ROSEBUD FISHING VILLAGE ALONE and also mentions the fisheries on the west side of the bay.

Queenscliff has been included (without text corrections) because it had several links with Mornington Peninsula fishermen. The first fishermen at Flinders were Chinese and the first European fishermen, such as Mannix, at Flinders came from Queenscliff in the summer, some of them later permanently relocating. (LIME LAND LEISURE.) Fishermen at Cape Schanck and Rosebud West later had their catches conveyed to the Mornington railhead by "Carrier Harry" Cairns and Jimmy "the squid" Williams respectively but fishermen further west sailed their catches to Queenscliff after it was linked by rail because the coast road west of Chinaman's Creek was atrocious, so much so that the beach sandflats were used in preference for some time. The rise near White Cliff was terrible. Communication between both sides of the bay was common, with priests coming from the west side to conduct masses for Rye Catholics at Owen Cain's "Tyrone". One of Rosebud's most famous residents, William Ferrier, hero of the La Bella tragedy at Warrnambool in 1905, later moved to Queenscliff, calling his house in Beach St "Rosebud", and descendants (Lou)still calling their boat,a feature of the ceremony marking the opening of the new harbour, "Rosebud".

The subjoined report has been forwarded to the Commissioner of Customs by Mr Lesley Moody, inspector of fisheries -
Sir,-I have the honour to report for the information of the hon. Commissioner of
Trade and Customs that in accordance with the approval of my proposal in my letter
per 23rd December, 1874, I started on Monday morning, the 11th ultimo, on an inspection of the fisheries in Port Phillip Bay, and visited them in rotation, as hereafter mentioned.
Brighton.-At this place there are seven men with boats one of whom resides in the
beach scrub, near the hotel, and the remaining six at Picnic Point about two miles from the pier. They pursue what is termed "hook-fishing," not having nets.
Redcliff-At this place I found one old man, with a boat living in a shanty close
the point . He appeared very old and infirm and had been there nearly 15 years. Fished also with lines.
Mordialloc.-In and around the creek, close to the jetty, there are 11 men resident, who have 11 boats and five nets. The creek is very narrow and shallow at the entrance, but the fishing boats which are mostly provided with centre-boards, and draw very little water, can almost at any time enter and lie in perfect safety. These men usually fish from Rickett's Point to Frankston.
Frankston.-This place I was unable to visit, as just as my boat was close to, the
wind came to blow very heavily from the westward, and the boatmen informed me there
was no shelter, and that there was a danger of the boat going on shore I however, ascertained that l8 fishermen resided there, with six boats.
Schnapper Point -At this place there is an excellent jetty, with good shelter in almost any weather. There are, however, strange to say, no resident fishermen, but at a small bay called Fisherman's Bay, about half a mile from the jetty, I found a temporary encampment occupied by four men; who had come from Portsea, where they resided, with three boats and nets.
Dromana-At this place there is a fine jetty, but no good shelter for boats. There
are four men employed in the immediate vicinity as fishermen, who have two boats
and one seine. The township is situated on a flat near an extensive sandy beach, but
there are some fine sites in the neighbourhood of Arthur's Seat which will no doubt
attract the attention of the residents of Melbourne seeking a seaside residence.
Rosebud -About six miles from Dromana and three from Arthur's Seat is a large and
permanent fishing station called Rosebud, in which I found 20 fishermen resident, with the same number of boats and nets . The men resided in comfortable huts, built of interlaced tea tree, after the usually called " wattle and dab," coated with plaster madeof lime and sand (in place of the usual mud) for which the abundance of lime in the vicinity gives facilities. They face a low beach, close to which their boats lie in perfect safety, being sheltered from the break of any sea in all weathers by a sand bar which extends along the shore outside the anchorage.
Rye -About six miles further on is the township of Rye, at which two fishermen reside, one having a boat only, tho other a boat and net. There is a good jetty at this place where a good deal of lime, which is plentiful in the vicinity, is shipped. Rabbits seem to thrive very well, as they exist in great numbers, and have excellent cover. Like Dromana, the township is situated on low sand ground, close to the beach, but withinshort distance of the jetty there is some fine rising ground.
Sorrento -A pretty spot and fast rising into importance as a waterside resort. There
is here a capital jetty, with good depth of water, and safe harbour for boats and
vessels drawing not more than 7ft. I only found here, however three fishermen, with
boats and nets who, I was informed were not permanent residents, roving between Sorrento, Queenscliff, and Mud Island.
Portsea -At this place, which also possesses a good jetty and pretty beach, I found
five resident fishermen living in comfortable cottages having four boats and seines. These men appeared to me the most intelligent and energetic of any I had previously met with; fishing systematically, and storing their fish alive in a stake net, so as to supply the market according to demand and pending opportunities of transport. The character of the locality is however more favourable for the adoption of this plan than most others , but I think it might be followed at many other places with equal facility and good results.
Queenscliff-This fashionable seaside resort is the site of the largest fishing statioi ound Port Phillip Bay, and the residence o he greatest number of fishermen, attractei hither by the great extent of fishing grouni which it commands I was informed tha 43 fiahermen resided here amongst whom an a number of Chinese, who have no nets fishing with lines and hooks, and drying thi squid, which is a favourite article of fooc amongst their countrjmen The European! own 38 boats and 17 nets, and the Chiuesi five dingiea and two boats. (P.6,Argus,19-2-1875.)

The report does not name any of these fishermen and it will be an interesting exercise to find their names. Here are some guesses. Mornington-Hutchins; Dromana-John McLear, Dohn Griffith, Harry Copp and perhaps Fred Vine (Vean); Rosebud-plenty mentioned in articles, such as McKay,who drowned, Victor, William Irvine etc. whom I have not previously mentioned and William Gomm etc that I have; Robert Rowley, and Emmanuel de Santo who lit the pier light; Sorrento-probably the Watson brothers, who may have used this storage technique at (Banff?), later joined by Erland Erlandsen and others mentioned in LIME LAND LEISURE.

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