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on 2013-11-01 10:25:21

Itellya is researching local history on the Mornington Peninsula and is willing to help family historians with information about the area between Somerville and Blairgowrie. He has extensive information about Henry Gomm of Somerville, Joseph Porta (Victoria's first bellows manufacturer) and Captain Adams of Rosebud.

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by mikepur on 2013-11-02 00:53:30

Peter Purves was my ggg/gfather.
From my research of Scottish Census and Parish records I now believe Peter (the mason) and James (architect/engineer) where actually Uncle (Peter) and Nephew (James)and NOT brothers as commonly suggested in oral and written family history.

James was a very common name in the family both prior to and after Peter and I think that may be why the story became confused and had them as brothers.
Below are extracts from my research into Scottish records.

James Purves m. Elizabeth Waldie, 1786

Known children:
Jean - 1787
Liddle - 1789 - married Mary Scott 1813. Children - James (1814) (Death record in 1870 gave the wrong age - he was 55 not 65)
Christiana - 1791
Alison (Alice)- 1795 married David Cairns (not found date). Children - John Liddle, James Liddle (1833), Elizabeth (1836)
21 Aug 1798 b. Helen Purves Bunkle And Preston, Berwick
Peter - 1803 - married Barbara Scott 1835. Children - James (1835)

1841 Census
Coxon Lane, Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland

David Cairns, 55, husbandman, b. Scotland
Alice (Allison), 40, b. Scotland
John, 7
James, 7
Elizabeth, 4
Peter Purves, 35, stonemason, b. Scotland
James Purves, 5,
Elizabeth Purves, 80, b. Scotland
all the adults have had thier ages rounded down by 5 years,,,which is what was supposed to happen in the 1841 census

1851 Census
Coxons lane, Berwick on Tweed, Northumberland

David Cairns, 71, farmer and house proprietor, b. Scotland
Alice, w, 55, b. -do-
John,s, 17, carpenter, b. Berwick
James L, s, 17, farmer's son, b. -do-
Elisabeth, d, 14, dressmaker, b. -do-
James Purvis, nephew, 15, carpenter, b. Newcastle

Mike Purves
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by itellya on 2013-11-02 07:41:49

by itellya on 2013-11-02 08:14:43

I forgot to mention the location of the Chinton run to explain why architect James Purves would have passed Mt Ridley on the way there. Chintin is a township shown at Melway 509 K 10, as is Springfield which was the polling place for the Chinton division of the East Bourke electorate. F.R.Godfrey became the member for East Bourke.

Did James Purves sell Chinton in 1858?
Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899) Saturday 21 August 1858 Edition: AFTERNOON p 4 Advertising
... Instructions from J. Purves, Esq., who is disposing of his Chinton Station, to sell by auction

If so,my theory about how William Godfrey and his future bride met is down the plughole unless Frederick Race Godfrey was already on Mt Ridley.

On the 13th instant, at Mount Ridley, by the Rev. Mr.Singleton, Fairfax Fenwick, Esq., of Chevy, to Anna M. E. Godfrey, third daughter of Lieutenant J. R. Godfrey, R.N , of Dartmouth, Devon.(P.4,Argus,15-5-1854.)

by itellya on 2015-02-08 21:35:12

Mr James Purves,who died at Richmond at the age of 65, of which period 44 years had been passed in these colonies, was born in Berwick on Tweed, and came out to Tasmania at the age of 21. He arrived at Hobart Town in the year 1834, where for somo time he practiscd his profession as a civil engineer. He came over to Victoria in 1837, and was one of the first, if not the first settler, to introduce sheep into the colony. Mr Purves took up country in the Lancefield district, near the Hanging Rock but after following squatting pursuits for a time he entered into business in Melbourne as auctioneer and estate agent. He afterwards took up the Chintin Station, at Deep Creek, and was also owner of Tootgarook Station,near Dromana, one of the earliest established stations in the colony.(P.1S, Argus,8-7-1878.)

by itellya on 2015-02-15 23:10:21

If there was any doubt about which of the Purves brothers(and their descendants) valued Tootgarook Station, this makes it fairly clear. The descendants of Peter Purves (died 1860)were still there in about 1888 when they were establishing "Greenhills" on Purves Rd. Two of the girls, aged about 12 and 4 if I remember correctly, stayed at the station while everybody else went to Greenhills and six aborigines (who were supposed to be non-existent on the peninsula) came calling for a glass of water. Notice the engineer's spelling of Boneo.
(Hec Hanson and Petronella Wilson's MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN.)

TO LET, 8TATIQN, Tootgarook and Boneau, with or without stock. Apply to J. Purves, - Scott's Hotel.(P.3, Argus,25-7-1865.)

by itellya on 2015-02-16 10:33:22

This has never been found before because the surname of the deceased Tootgarook overseer was digitised as PURYES. Peter's wife Barbara (nee Scott) had died soon after giving birth to their first child, James, and heartbroken, Peter had joined his brother, James, the engineer (not architect)in Van Dieman's Land,leaving the baby with an aunt. James grew up and joined his father in 1852, and spent eight years with him before the father died.

NOTICE is hereby given, that, on the expiration of fourteen days after the day of publication of this advertisement, an application will be made to the Supreme Court of the colony of Victoria, in its Ecclesiastic jurisdiction, that LETTERS of ADMINISTRATION of all and singular the goods, chattels, credits, and effects of PETER PURVES, late of Tootgarook, Point Nepean, near the Port Phillip Heads, In the colony of Victoria, overseer, deceased,may be granted to James Purves, of Tootgarook aforesaid, overseer, tho only son and next of kin to the said deceased.
Dated at Melbourne the 20th day of March, A.D. 1860,
JOHN MATTHEW SMITH, proctor for the said James Purves. (P.7,Argus, 27-3-1860.)

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