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Tracing Herty Suter 1867

Query by Richard3

I am trying to find out information regarding one of my ancestors, her name is Herty Suter born 1867 in East Meon, Hampshire. England.

According to the Census of 1871 she is 4 years old, her Father is William Thomas Suter a Smiths Engine driver.
Her Mother is Elizabeth Suter her maiden name was Hart, and brother William John Suter aged 3.
The Census was taken in 1871 from the Parish of Chilcomb, Sub District was Twyford, Registration District of Winchester.

This is the only information that I have, I just don't seem to be able to find out anymore info. from any later Census, Marriage or Death.
If anyone has any information or can shed some light on my research I would be most grateful.

Kind Regards

Richard3

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by noggin on 2013-12-30 11:24:18

could be part of your family in 1911.

1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Suter
Age in 1911: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Everley, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Langrish
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: Langrish, Petersfield
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 44
Estimated Marriage Year: 1867
Occupation: Dairywork

Thomas William Suter 66 b Langrish, Hampshire, England occ farmer
Elizabeth Suter 66
Harriett Suter 88 b Froxfield, Hampshire, England mother
Frank Suter 13 grandson b Staines, Middlesex, England

According to the census they have been married 44 years anf had 3 children all living.

Head of house is using the name Thomas William Suter

by Richard3 on 2013-12-30 14:11:24

Thank you Noggin for your brilliant reply, very much appreciated, you are spot on with the census.
I thought Thomas and Elizabeth had two children, Herty whom I have had trouble finding details of and have no information at all, I know all about William but I didn't know that they had a third child so if you have any information about Herty and the third child that would be brilliant.

Kind Regards

Richard3

by asheppard on 2013-12-31 03:45:21

1871 transcribed her name as Harty.

have you looked at this BMD entry on freebmd.org.uk

it could be a possible

Births Dec 1868
SUTER Florence Harriet Fareham 2b 544

There is also this marriage

Marriages Mar 1895
Hartnup George Wallingford 2c 439
Suter Florence Harriet Wallingford 2c 439

and on the 1911 Census it states that she was born in Wickham Hampshire

You would need to get a copy of the birth to find out if it's the right person.

I couldn't find any of the family after 1871 Census and Before the 1911 Census the surname may have been transcribed incorrectly making it difficult to locate.

by noggin on 2013-12-31 06:16:56

This looks like Harty's parents wedding and it looks like Harty was named after mothers maiden name so she may have other chrisren names.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Thomas Suter
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1867
Registration District: Petersfield
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 213
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Hart

by Richard3 on 2013-12-31 11:04:32

Thank you assheppard for your reply, I have been searching on Rootsweb, Family Seach and Find My Past, I will look into the marriage that you mentioned thank you and see what transpires. Likewise I too found no trace after the census dates that you mentioned, I will just press on and try other avenues, thank you again.

Kind Regards

Richard3

by Richard3 on 2013-12-31 11:15:18

Hello noggin,
Yes that was their wedding and I too thought the same as you regarding Harty being named after her mothers maiden name.

Regards

Richard3

by asheppard on 2014-01-01 20:25:21

Found them in the 1881 as Luter


1881 England Census about William Luter
Name: William Luter
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Elizabeth Luter
Gender: Male
Where born: Southampton East...

Civil Parish: Winkfield
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Sunning Hill Rd
Marital Status: Married
Education:

Occupation: Smith

Household Members:
Name Age
William Luter 36
Elizabeth Luter 36
Harriet Luter 14
William Luter 13

birth for William Snr, Harriet & William jnr as East Meon Southampton??
birth for Elizabeth Evenby Wiltshire.

so Hety is definitely Harriet.

will continue hunting

by asheppard on 2014-01-01 20:30:52

1891 Census

1891 England Census about William G Luter
Name: William G Luter
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Luter
Gender: Male
Where born: Langrick, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Winkfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Ascot All Saints
Town: Sunninghill
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
William G Luter 46
Elizabeth Luter 46
Harriet Luter 24
Herbert C Luter 7

William & Harriet b Langrich Hampshire
Elizabeth b Everleigh Wiltshire
Herbert C b Ascot Berkshire

by asheppard on 2014-01-01 20:44:36

Williams Occ: in 1891 Blacksmith

Herbert/Hubert Birth

Births Jun 1883
SUTER Hubert Charles Easthampstead 2c 429

by asheppard on 2014-01-01 23:58:22

Found Hubert 1911 Census living with Harriet & her husband Frank William Henry Agar


1911 England Census about Hubert Charles Suter
Name: Hubert Charles Suter
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ascot, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Mortlake
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 27 Oxford Ctgs, 27 Worple Street, Mortlake Sw
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 1
Estimated Marriage Year: 1910
Occupation: Postal Clerk

Household Members:
Name Age
Frank William Henry Agar 42 b Ascot Berkshire
Harriet Agar 44 b Winchester Hampshire
Emily Georgina Agar 8 b Staines Middlesex
Hubert Charles Suter 27 b Ascot Berkshire
Margaret Louisa Suter 26 b Newbury Berkshire

Frank & Harriet married 15years 2 children living none deceased
Franks Occ: horse Keeper

Hubert & Margaret married 1 year no children
Hubert Occ: Postal Clerk

Frank & Harriet's other child, son Frank, with Thomas William & Elizabeth Suter in 1911

by asheppard on 2014-01-02 00:09:09

Hubert's marriage

Marriages Dec 1909
BOTSFORD Margaret Louise Newbury 2c 605
SUTER Hubert Charles Newbury 2c 605

by noggin on 2014-01-02 05:36:49

Was looking for christening and found this:

Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937
Name: Frank William Agar living 23 watney Rd Mortlake occ clerk
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1898
Marriage Date: 19 Sep 1925
Archive Provided Parish: Mortlake, St Mary
Parish as it Appears: Mortlake
Spouse: Elizabeth Rose Childs living in 29 Vernon Rd mortlake Spinster
Spouse Age: 21
Father: Frank William Henry Agar occ Horse dealer
Spouse Father: George Frederick Childs occ Taxi driver
Reference Number: 2397/1/23

by Richard3 on 2014-01-02 16:14:24

Thank you ashepard for your reply, I am sure that William Thomas did name his daughter after his Mother Harriet, and these are the 3 children of William and Elizabeth Suter.

Harriet (Harty) Suter b1867 East Meon Hampshire.
Married Frank William Henry Agar b1868 Ascot Berkshire.
Occ. Horse Trader

William John Suter b1868 Winchester, Hampshire.
Died 11th April 1929 Harrogate, Yorkshire.
Married Margaret Richardson 28th June 1891 RC Church Ballybrack, Dublin, Ireland.
Margaret died 19th July 1929
Williams occ. was Superintendant Gardener for Stonefall Cemetery Harrogate.
1901 Census shows them living at 10 Grey Street Harrogate
1911 Census shows them living at 28 Grey Street Harrogate.

Herbert Charles Suter b1884 Ascot Berkshire, still looking for information about him.

Kind Regards
Richard3

by asheppard on 2014-01-02 18:40:00

Probate for Hubert

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Hubert Charles Suter
Name: Hubert Charles Suter
Probate Date: 17 Oct 1955
Death Date: 21 Jun 1955
Death Place: Folkestone
Registry: Oxfordshire, England

Details
Hubert Charles Suter of Uphill, Victoria Street, Capel-le-Ferne, Folkestone died at St Marys hospital, Lyminge, Kent.

Probate to Arthur William Luff - grocer 1302p 10s

and for wife Margaret

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Margaret Louise Suter
Name: Margaret Louise Suter
Probate Date: 18 Oct 1920
Death Date: 3 Sep 1920
Death Place: Berkshire, England
Registry: Oxfordshire, England

Details
Margaret Louise Suter of Beachwood, Stanley Road, Newbury, Berkshire wife of Hubert Charles Suter.

Probate to Hubert Charles Suter - telegraphist 2819p 12s 11d

by asheppard on 2014-01-02 18:46:06

This is the only child I could find for Hubert & Margaret

Births Mar 1912
Suter Margaret A Botsford Newbury 2c 478

by Richard3 on 2014-01-03 14:43:37

asheppard, thank you so much for all your investigation work as I seemed to have hit a brick wall, especially with the mispelling of Suter. I have now added all the information onto my Family Tree. If there is anything that I can help with please let me know.

Kind Regards
Richard3

by asheppard on 2014-01-03 18:41:10

I can't find any birth for Harriet Suter in any county for 1666-1868.

There is a birth for Harriet Hart Pewsey Wiltshire I wonder if Harriet is Elizabeth's daughter and was actually born before her marriage to William.

Have a look at this birth it may be worth getting a copy to check the details

In 1861 Elizabeth was a servant with the Miles family in Pewsey.

Births Sep 1866
Hart Harriet Pewsey 5a 151

and get a copy of William John Suter's birth as well and his marriage if you want to go down that line.


Ii is always good to double check any information and to get copies of the marriages and birth certificates. It may be the wrong family entirely.

The marriage for William Thomas Suter & Elizabeth Hart will give you Elizabeth's fathers name and his occupation and possibly more details on Elizabeth.

by Richard3 on 2014-01-04 06:13:21

Thank you asheppard for the information, I agree with what you say about Harriet being Elizabeths daughter and being born before her marriage to William, hence the name Harty. I will do what you say and get a copy of her birth, plus copies of William John's birth and marriage.

Kind Regards
Richard3

by Richard3 on 2014-01-13 13:58:08

Sorry for the delay but I have just recieved a copy of William John Suter's Birth Certificate from the Hampshire Records Office I thought that it might be of some Interest it reads as follows.

Registration District Droxford, Birth in the Sub-district of West Meon.
In the County of Southampton.

When and where Born: 1st March 1868 West Meon

Name if any William John

Sex Boy

Name and Surname of Father William Thomas Suter

Name, Surname and Maiden Surname of Mother, Elizabeth Suter formerly Hart.

Occupation of Father Blacksmith

Signature, Discription, and residence of Informant, X The mark of Elizabeth Suter Mother West Meon.

When Registered 9th April 1868

Kind Regards
Richard3

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