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Tracing my gg grandfather,Francis Colgrave in UK. b 1806 transported to Australia in

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on 2013-03-16 18:42:16

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by janilye on 2013-03-17 11:39:25

Australian Convict Transportation Registers Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868
about Francis Colegrave
Name: Francis Colegrave
Vessel: Circassian
Convicted Date: 7 Mar 1832
Voyage Date: 4 Oct 1832
Colony: Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land)
Place of Conviction: Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England
he was convicted on 2 counts of Larceny received 7 years for each giving him a total of 14 years.
He married Isabella Watkins 1823-1890 in Avoca, Tasmania 1842.
The couple had 9 children:-
Isabella COLGRAVE 1842 1890
Francis COLGRAVE 1843 1920
Samuel COLGRAVE 1847 1916
Henry COLGRAVE 1849 1904
William COLGRAVE 1852 1932
Robert Arthur COLGRAVE 1857 1904
Joshua COLGRAVE 1859 1923
Louisa COLGRAVE 1863 1911
Arthur COLGRAVE 1866 1882
Francis died at Evandale, Tasmania on the 24 October 1890.
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
about Francis Colgrave
Name: Francis Colgrave
Death Date: 24 Oct 1890
Death Place: Tasmania
Age: 85
Registration Year: 1890
Registration Place: Evandale, Tasmania
Registration number: 681
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Launceston Examiner, Thursday 30 October 1890

Our Evandale correspondent reports the sudden death of Mr Francis Colgrave, an old and respected resident, at the age of 85. He took a great delight in his garden, and was at work in it on Saturday morning, when he was seen to fall, and died a few minutes after being carried into the house. As he had been under medical treatment recently, an inquest was not deemed necessary. He leaves a widow, one daughter, and five sons (all married) one of whom resides at Evaudale, one at Beaconsfield, and three at English Town. The funeral took place on Tuesday, and was largely attended. Some of the relatives objected to the grave not being sunk deeper, it not being much over 4ft, but the blame does not rest with the sexton, as even at that depth the ground has to be timbered, and constant baling is re quired to keep down the water. It is cer tainly time some steps were taken to improve the present discreditable condition of affairs, and have the cemetery properly drained. It is situated in the centre of the township, and requires looking to more than some of the places now under the supervision of the sanitary officer. [We may add to the remarks of our cor respondent that there does not appear to be any law regulating the depth of graves. The disgraceful condition of the Evandale Cemetery has been known for years, and we agree with our correspondent that it is high time an improvement was insisted upon.-ED ]
Launceston Examiner, Tuesday 4 November 1890
DEATH
COLGRAVE.- On 3rd November, at her residence, Evandale, Isabella, relict of the late Mr Francis Colgrave, aged 67 years
FUNERAL
The funeral of the late Mrs ISABELLA COLGRAVE will take place at the English burial ground Evandale, on Tuesday, November 4, at three o' clock p.m. Friends are respectfully invited to attend.--JOSEPH DONALDSON, Undertaker, Evandale.

The Mercury, Wednesday 19 November 1890
Mrs, Colgrave, an old resident, died suddenly on Monday. Her husband was buried on the previous Tuesday, and this was taken to heart so much by the deceased that it proved too muoh for her. She was walking about on Sunday, and was a corpse on Monday morning. The funeral took place on Tuesday, the deceased being Interred by the side of her late husband in the Church of England burial ground.

by myrelies on 2013-03-18 18:49:39

Thank you. I had Most of this information. I have his birthdate as 4. 3. 1806 but I don't know where. A lead for his father also Francis 1. 8. 1701 -- His wife Mary Cooper 1705-1776. Again nothing else.
Were Thomas Colgrave and Margaret Pettitt and their son Tommae - 1604 - in the Parish of Oxford, Church of All Saints/St Thomas, Francis' family? I don't know if 1604 was a Baptism of Tommae,or the marriage of Thomas and Margaret. I also have 1602 as the birth date of Thomas and Margaret?? and were these people his - Francis' - parent Tommae and Mother ?? and grand-parents?
I also have 1571 a date for Thomas Colgrave ?The father of Thomas of 1604, but again no residential or name for a mother. So frustrating!

by noggin on 2013-03-19 06:40:45
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by janilye on 2013-03-19 08:15:31

I've seen the name Frances Bourne put forward as their mother on a tree researched by Joyce Austin a decendant of Highgate Colgrave 1772-1818, brother to Francis Colgrave born 31 August 1770 baptised 19 August 1771. with a marriage 19 August 1798 in Thurleigh. There was also a sister called Frances Bourne Colgrave 1809-1877. I know children are often given the mother's maiden name as a second forename. Another sister was Susan Payne Colgrave, named after her grandmother Sarah Payne 1746-1795 Sarah was born in Felmersham and died in Thurleigh, married Samuel Colgrave 1745-1784 in Felmersham in 1767. His mother was Mary Cooper 1705-1776. Father Francis Colgrave baptised 1 August 1701 at Sharnbrook, Bedfordshire and the marriage 13 July 1723 in Dunstable, Bedforfshire.
This note attached to Francis 1701:
"Details of the baptisms of the children of Francis and Mary Colegrave were supplied to me by Lyn Scadding, County Archivist for the Bedfordshire County Record Offiice, Bedfordshire in 1997 and were taken from the Parish Registers for Bletsoe, Bolnhurst, Sharnbrook and Thurleigh. There is also a burial for a Cooper Colegrave on 21 January 1738, however I think this should be 1739. Joyce Austin"
Joyce may be contacted on ancestry.com where she has one public tree, with the ID joycefrankie1

by myrelies on 2013-06-30 00:32:23

Hello Janilye and Noggin, I have been doing a little digging and found something more. Francis Colgrave born 4.3.1806 and baptised 6.4.1806 in Thurleigh, Bedfordshire. His Father Francis born 1770 Mother Ann Smith born 1780.(Convict Records,Van Diemens Land)so Frances' children were his half-siblings. I have not so far heard of the twins born to Ann later (Benjamin and Charles 14.4.1816)Father Francis Colgrave.(coldgrove, which is the literal meaning of the Anglo-Saxon, which came out of Oxford in the 1100s - findmyroots. There are other spellings also.
I too contacted Lynn Scadding but her Parish records do not go past 1602 with Thomas and Margaret Pettit both born that year and married 1624.Their son Thomas born 1640 married Juditha ? born 1643. Their son Thomas b 1663 married Rebeccah ? b 1671.
Do you mind if I print out your Journals please?

by myrelies on 2013-06-30 00:34:51

Hello Janilye and Noggin, I have been doing a little digging and found something more. Francis Colgrave born 4.3.1806 and baptised 6.4.1806 in Thurleigh, Bedfordshire. His Father Francis born 1770 Mother Ann Smith born 1780.(Convict Records,Van Diemens Land)so Frances' children were his half-siblings. I have not so far heard of the twins born to Ann later (Benjamin and Charles 14.4.1816)Father Francis Colgrave.(coldgrove, which is the literal meaning of the Anglo-Saxon, which came out of Oxford in the 1100s - findmyroots. There are other spellings also.
I too contacted Lynn Scadding but her Parish records do not go past 1602 with Thomas and Margaret Pettit both born that year and married 1624.Their son Thomas born 1640 married Juditha ? born 1643. Their son Thomas b 1663 married Rebeccah ? b 1671.
Do you mind if I print out your Journals please?

by myrelies on 2013-07-08 02:20:25

Hello Noggin, Your journal posted 19.3.2013.

The twins Benjamin and Charles christened 14,4.1816 could not have belonged to the Francis 1806 as he would have been just 10years old at the time.

The names Francis and Ann were obviously very popular in the Colgrave families.

Myrelies.

by amanda0712 on 2014-01-04 05:28:41

Hi myrelies,

My name is Amanda. I live in Tasmania and Francis and Isabella were my 4th great grandparents. I actually have quite a bit of info on the Colgrave family, most of which I have picked up online (not all of it is confirmed as yet, but may give a place to start). I would suggest having a look at Sue Wyatt's website, wyatt-family.com. She has a fabulous pedigree of the Colgrave family on there, mostly just names with some dates included back to Thomas Colgrave and Margaret Pettitt. Also there is a really good thread on Ancestry, if you have access, regarding Francis' possible illegitimacy and also the fact that he may have also had an illegitimate child before transportation.

Good luck with your research and please feel free to get in touch if I can help in any was.

Cheers
Amanda

by myrelies on 2014-01-28 07:27:25

Hello Amanda, Thanks for your additions. Francis 1806 was my 3rd ggrandfather.His father Francis was married to Frances Bourne who already had three daughters at the time when 1806 Francis was born to Ann Smith.
Francis and his half-brother Samuel were convicted at about the same time and were transported to Van Diemens Land.
I know nothing of Samuel other than that they were raised together by Frances and Francis. Jan

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