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Origin of the surname McDonic?
Does anyone know where this surname originated? Was it France? as a recent family contact (Mike) believes.
Mike wrote:--"I had always regarded it as most-probably a (phonetic) re-spelling of McDonaugh or McDonaugh or something similar, but there is a long-standing family story of a french connection, and I have a (late-1920s draughtsman's transcription of a tooled leather 'family crest' that clearly depicts both lion and shield covered with fleurs de Lits... I'm fairly confident thast it was 'manufactured' during the 1800s for either Timothy 'The Elder' or 'Timothy the second McDonic'.... Timothy McDonaugh seems to really appear for the first time in the (Hartlepool) Stockton census of 1861 (The 1841 census records for the area were lost or destroyed)... In the 1861 (and subsequent) census records, he reports his birthplace as variously "Hythe, Kent" or "Seth, Kent"... I can't find any record of Seth as a Kent place name, but Hythe, Kent is about as close as one can get to France... The name on Timothy (the Elder)'s marriage document (I'm told) is "Timothy Macdonet"... There are no even-vaguely similar records that I can find for Hythe, or anywhere else in Kent... It could be that records have simply been lost... It could be that "he" actually oringinated in Ireland (Timothy McDonaugh would have been a perfect proper, extant, Irish name at the time... Or it could be that "he" tacked a "mac" prefix on a perfectly-common French name "Donet" at the time... Indeed, I have found a French birth record for a born-out-of wedlock child (Pere Inconnu) who would almost certainly have been raised "Louis Donet" or "Louis De La Donet", born in the same birth year (1807) that Timothy reported in the census records... It seems to me (whether this Donet or otherwise) that anglicization of "Donet" to "Timothy MacDonet" would be a quite-reasonable change toward 'dropping into' a new country...
Long-and-short, I'm trying to figure out where "McDonic" came from - If you have any insight or suggestions, they would be greatly appreciated"
The family connection between myself and Mike is via the Fernie branch of my husband'x family:-
Samuel Henry McDonic and wife Catherine Fernie, together with their English-born children Henry Reed McDonic (aka Harry) and Helen McDonic (only known as Nellie) moved to Canada in the late 1800's
Frederick was the informant on the death certificate of my gggrandmother where it says he was a brother in law.
BUT we cannot find the connection between them --- only thing in common is that they both died in Charleville, Qld, Aust.
My GGgrandmother was Agnes Letitia Brotherwood who married Edward MacGovern and had child Ada Grace (my ggrandmother)in Tamworth, NSW. Agnes then had a child with John Avery, followed by 11 children with James Kelly who she never married (as far as we know). Agnes moved to Charleville to live with her married daughter Evaline Peacock, and died in 1918. Death is registered as Agnes Patricia Kelly, parents William Brotherwood (should be Henry) and Anne White. Only Grace is acknowledged as child of first husband.
Can anyone give us a clue --- I've searched both the NSW and Qld BDM's but without any luck.
We (on the Cramp line) have been sent a puzzle (by someone on the Weaver and Crouch family line) and I'm hoping I might be able to get some help from contributors to FamilyTreeCircles.
In the Kent and Sussex area, Richard Weaver (b1733) married Ester Crouch in 1767. Their son James (b1774) married Elizabeth Buttenshaw and had seven children. One of their daughters (Mary, b1801) married a George Crouch (b 1805) ----- and one of their sons (Thomas, b1803) married Elizabeth Bourne. Thomas and Elizabeth had daughters Mary (b1839) and Anne (b 1843). Mary married Samson Maynard (b1834), and Anne married Samson's half nephew Edmund Cramp (b 1847).
To make it even more complicated, Edmund's great grandfather, also called Edmund Cramp (b1759) had married a Hester Crouch (b1764).
I would be grateful for any clues on sorting out the relationship between Ester, Hester and George Crouch.
I'm interested in any information about Stephen McGovern, father of Edward Baslow McGovern who I've been told was born in Gibraltar in 1799. Edward married Elizabeth Shannon in 1821 in Sligo, had one child, Hugh. After Elizabeth's death, Edward married Margaret Stanley and had 4 children in Sligo.
Hugh married Anne Regan and fathered several children (including my gggrandfather Edward McGovern) after they had emigrated to Australia.
Does anyone know of a Richard Arthur Webb b 12th July 1908 -- possibly in Hassocks,England ---- son of Arthur Richard Webb and Euphemia Thompson (who may have previously been married to a man with surname Mayer). Sorry to be so vague but I'm asking on behalf of his descendant and this is all the info I have. Richard is believed to have migrated to Victoria, Australia when he was about 18 yrs old --- and there is the possibility that he was in fact illegitimate.
WILLIAM A HANCY was born Abt. 1740 in Ireland. His children:-
1) MICHAEL HANCY was born Abt. 1756, and died 1833. He married HANNAH WATTS 1793 in St Anne's, Soho, London, England. She was born Abt. 1764, and died Abt. 1824.
2) WILLIAM HANCY was born 1764 in Cork, Ireland, and died 06 Dec 1830 in Baulkham Hills, NSW, Australia. He married SARAH MACDONALD 09 Nov 1794 in St Anne's, Soho, London, England, daughter of THOMAS MACDONALD and ELIZABETH UNKNOWN. She was born 10 Feb 1765 in Barrow, Shropshire, England, and died 17 Nov 1859 in Baulkham Hills, NSW, Australia.
Notes for WILLIAM HANCY:
William was the second son of William A Hancy. He was born in CountyCork and immigrated to London with his brother Michael where he met Sarah macDonald from Barrow, Shropshire, daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth MacDonald. They were married in St Annes's Church of England, Soho.They had four children in England before William and his family and his brother Michael migrated to Australia as free settlers on board the ship 'Minorca' arriving in Australia on the 14th December 1801.
William took up land in Parramatta. He was one of the 244 signatoriesto the Hawkesbury Settlers address of 1806 to Governor Bligh complaining about the rum corps and also of the infreingements of their rightsby John MacArthur. His signature is also on the Welcome to Lieut Governor Paterson, 6/5/1808, praying for the re-establishment of the law and order and the pubishment of those who had deposed Captain Bligh as Governor. He was listed as a yeoman landholder on the 1826 return of 47 people qualified to serve as juror at the General Quarter Sessionsat Parramatta.
He died on the 6th December 1830 after being thrown from his horse onto his head. The horse had encountered a cow lying on the road as he was travelling at high speed with two others along the Parramatta to Baulkham Hills Road. He is buried in RC cemetery at Parramatta.
Death not registered under Hancy, Hancey or Hansey
Children of WILLIAM HANCY and SARAH MACDONALD are:
i. CATHARINE HANCY, b. 1795, London, England; d. 24 Oct 1879
ii. SIMEON HANCY, b. 27 Mar 1797, England; d. Abt. 1801.
iii.ANN HANCY, b. 1798, Middlesex, England; d. Abt. 1860, Australia.
iv. THOMAS HANCY, b. Abt. 1801, England; d. 17 Apr 1876, Australia.
v. FREDERICK HANCY, b.1803,Parramatta,NSW,Australia; d. 18 Sep 1872,
vi. MARGARET HANCY, b. 1805; d. Jul 1855, Sydney, NSW, Australia
vii.ELIZABETH JANE HANCY,b.1807,Parramatta,NSW,Australia;d.12Nov1874
viii. SOPHIA HANCY, b. 1808, Parramatta, NSW, Australia; d. 1845;
ix. CHARLOTTE HANCY,b.1810,Parramatta,NSW,Australia; d.20 Jun 1867,
WILLIAM HANCY’S CHILDREN:-------
CATHARINE HANCY was born 1795 in London, England ,and died 24 Oct 1879 in East Maitland, NSW, Australia. She married JAMES WILLIAMS 21 Mar 1818 in St John's, Parramatta, NSW, Australia.
Notes for JAMES WILLIAMS:--------------
James was warranted on 4 March 1814. Committed by Habeas Corpus from the County Goal Somerset, living in Shepton Mallet Somerset, married, age 25. Taken to Dorchester Prison on 17 March 1814, his crime was Horse Stealing and was tried before Sir John Bayley, Knight, at the 1814 Lent Assizes. His sentence was Death, reprieved to transportation for Life. Discharged on 1 June 1814 and was placed aboard the "Laurel" hulk in Langston Harbour. Arriving in Sydney on board the "Marquis of Wellington" on 27 January 1815, he was assigned as a government servant to Hannibal Hawkins McArthur of the 'Vineyards' Parramatta. When the 1828 Census of NSW was taken, James was employed by G. A. Middleton as a farming man on 'Glenrose' Patricks Plains, NSW.
The "Marquis of Wellington's" Master was Geo. Betham and the Surgeon was Thos. Latham. 200 males embarked and 198 arrived.
ANN HANCY was born 1798 in Middlesex, England, and died Abt. 1860 in Australia. She married THOMAS WOOLLEY 09 Sep 1816 in St John's Church, Parramatta, NSW, Australia . He was born 1782 in London, England, and died 1838 in St John's Church of England, Parramatta, NSW, Australia.
Notes for THOMAS WOOLLEY:------------
Thomas Woolley, convict, arrived in Port Jackson on board the 'Admiral Gambier' on the 29th September 1811. He was sentenced to death but was transported when a petition for clemency was accepted by the trial judge. He was moved from his place of execution (Exetor Castle) to a prison hulk. He was listed as T. Woolley, millwright of Parish of Stoke, aged 25. His crime stealing a full set of coins from the dwelling of George Gregory also of Stoke with his co-thief William Way. Coins being of all places of the world and to the value of 20 pounds. 13.7 pounds being the value of the coins over 40 shillings. Sentence was death. Clemency was granted and his sentence was commuted to transportation for 14 years. He was shipped from Exeter along with 14 others on the 26 May 1809 and held in the hulk till 16 March 1811 when he was transferred to the Admiral Gambier. His age was then 26. He sailed April 1811. Due to poor conditions they were held in the hulks. A letter of appeal reduced his sentence to 7 years. It had the support of the Prince of Wales. He arrived in Australia 29/9/1811 and worked for a B. Barrow of Parramatta till the end of his sentence. In 1814 a muster shows he was a dealer.
Thomas lived most of his life at Parramatta where he worked as a victualer and publican.
Death reg V1838 2848 22/1838 as Woolly, Thomas no parents names
THOMAS HANCY was born Abt. 1801 in England, and died 17 Apr 1876 in Palmer Street, Parramatta, NSW, Australia . He married CATHERINE DUNN 13 Feb 1832 in St Mary's RC Church, Sydney, NSW, Australia. She was born Jan 1812 in Dublin, Ireland, and died 02 Apr 1875 in Palmer Street, Parramatta, Nsw, Australia.
Notes for THOMAS HANCY:--------------
Some records show that Thomas Hancy was born in London (marriage banns, Death Certificate, Petition to Sir Thomas Brisbane, Governor by Thomas' Father), while other records show that he was born in the Colony (Memorial 1820, 310 4/1824, General Muster & Land & Stock Muster of NSW1822, 1828 Census). Records show that William Hancy, wife and 3 chilfren arrived on the Minorca on the 12th December 1801. It is possble that Thomas was born on the Minorca.
NB The above is a summary of information sent to me by another person so I'm not claiming it as my research --- but I'd like to start the ball rolling on this family tree.
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