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I've hit a brick wall with this person
What I know about him
Name: John Corban NORGROVE (Reverend)
Born: abt 1794 Birmingham Warwickshire
Married: 19 Aug 1823, Temple Bristol Gloucestershire (need further info)
Death: between 1851 & 1856 where unknown
Occupation: Baptist Minister
1833 - Yate Wiltshire England - "In receipt of rents of freehold land belonging to the Baptist Church of Chipping Sodbury of which I am a Minister"
17 Apr 1838 - Chideock Bridport - From a Copy of a flyer "Bridport Baptists". On Easter Tuesday next. A sermon on Baptism, will be preached at the Chideock Chapel; when several people will be baptised. In the afternoon at Bridport Town Hall, an address on the "Nature of a Gospel Church" at which time A Baptist Church will be formed. The Rev, A Wayland, of Lyme; Rev. T Clark, of Chard; J. C. Norgrove, of Bridport and Chideock; and other ministers are expected to take part in the Services.
Details on the the bottom of the flyer read "J C Norgrove's Friendly address to the inhabitants of Bridport and Chideock, Price 2d may be had of Mr. Brown, Bookseller Bridport.
12 May 1849 - Newark, Nottinghamshire, England - Independent Chapel - Performed 2 marriages
7 Oct 1849 - Newark, Nottinghamshire, England - Indepedent Chapel - Sermon in place of Rev Adams who was ill.
Lower Mills, Stonehouse Gloucester with Smith family
Adam Smith 56 Cloth Cutter
Mary Smith 60
George S Smith 14
Henry V Smith 11
**John C Norgrove 57, Visitor, Occ; Baptist Minister, Married
3 May 1856 - Duddeston Warwickshire listed as deceased on son Theophilus' nmarriage.
Details I would like to find
1. Details of his Birth & Parents names if possible
2. Marriage - I have the England & Wales Marriages 1538-1940 listing, but nothing further.
3. 1841 Census entry, searched but can't find him anywhere, maybe someone else will have better luck.
I have wife Sarah and children in 1841 living in St Philip and St Jacob, Gloucestershire, England
Sarah Norgrove 45
Hulhen Norgrove 14
Theophilas Norgrove 12
Abielohim Norgrove 10
2. Where & When he died
I have further detail on the later Census and the whereabouts of John & Sarah's children and Sarah's death, I have one exception of son John.
John b1832 baptised 29 July 1832 - by Mr Shakespeare - Non Conformist Register Gloucester Parish records but I can find nothing further, no death.
I also have the details of the children from the Gloucestershire Archives listing the dates of birth, baptisms and the early deaths.
The puzzling thing is that I have their first three children born before the 1823 marriage which seems odd for a Minister so is the John Norgrove Sarah Eddels 1823 my marriage or is there another John & Sarah Norgrove
any help would be greatly appreciated
I'm looking to find information on Cyril Thomas Whitehouse b1885 Baldock Hertfordshire England, he was also known as Thomas Cyril Whitehouse.
Father - Thomas Whitehouse b1856 Coren Breewood Staffordshire
Mother - Elizabeth Ann Norgrove b1860 Birmingham Warwiskshire England
Cyril Thomas Whitehouse married Eleanor Martha Colohan in 1919 in Victoria Australia
in Aug 1929 they are on board the "Santa Marta" out of Kingston Jamaica bound for New York and then on to Malaysia his Occupation is listed as Planter, they are traveling as Cyril & Martha Whitehouse.
How and when did Cyril arrive in Victoria in order to marry Eleanor?
What happened to them after their arrival in Malaysia?? did they stay or leave.
I'm trying to track down Mary SELFRIDGE daughter of Henry SELFRIDGE & **Mary Moodie DAVIDSON
Mary SELFRIDGE's family
Duncan Wright DAVIDSON b1868 Norway, d 1945 Scotland (Scottish parents father Robert was a Sawyer)
married 1st 21 Mar 1890 Milton Glasgow Scotland
*Janet Munn Thompson MOODIE 1867-1923 Scotland (Mary's Grandmother)
married 2nd 4 Apr 1924 Hamilton Scotland
Agnes Anderson ALLAN 1899-1997 Scotland
Children of Duncan & Janet
1) Janet Thomson DAVIDSON 1890-1965 Scotland (known as Nettie)
married 31 Dec 1917 Scotland
Thomas Larney BAIRD
2)Elizabeth Cook DAVIDSON b1895 Scotland d 1965 USA (known as Bettie or Bessie)
married 3 Mar 1926 Cook Chicago Illinois
John Robertson McVITTIE
3)** Mary Moodie DAVIDSON born 9 Oct 1899 Glasgow died 11 Feb 1947 East Kilbride (known as Polly)
married 24 Sep 1920 Hamilton
Henry SELFRIDGE 1896-??
daughter (possibly more children)
Mary SELFRIDGE Born 1920-1930?
?? McLAUGHLIN (nothing known)
last known whereabouts of Mary McLAUGHLIN was a Retirement Village in Toongabbie NSW about 2000-2005, also aware of one son, but have no details.
Details of Mary's whereabouts were given to me by the daughter of Janet & Thomas BAIRD, Elizabeth (Betty) NEIL of Phoenix Arizona, I have since lost contact with her, she was in her late 70's back in 2004.
I did contact the retirement home but they were unable to verify if it was the Mary I was looking for, they did say they would pass on my information to her and her son but I never heard anything back. I have tried BMD & Arrivals for Australia but haven't found anything so far.
I'm trying to find information on Annie BIRD who married Leo WARE supposedly in Capetown South Africa and their daughter Sylvia Laura WARE born 1886 Capetown South Africa or was she Sylvia Laura BIRD.
Information I know so far
Annie BIRD was born about 1867 Capetown South Africa
according to her Australian marriage 1898 (more later) her parents were
William BIRD and Aletta SMALL
According to birth certificates of her 3 children born in Australia
Annie BIRD married Leo WARE 21 January 1886 in Capetown South Africa
Their daughter Sylvia Laura WARE was born 1886/7 Capetown South Africa
Annie, Sylvia and Leo WARE
left from Cardiff NW Capetown in 1889 on board SS Ashleigh Brooke (as Weir)
arrived Sydney 19 June 1889
When and where Leo WARE arrived in South Africa is unknown but it would be after the 1880 US Census as he is on that in New York, and before 1886/7 when Sylvia was born or was she Sylvia Laura BIRD. There is a possibility that Leo went with his brother George WARE but can't find anything on that.
Annie BIRD & Leonard WARE were re married?
11 Oct 1898 in Carlton Victoria, I have the certificate
Father William BIRD Traveler
Mother Aletta maiden name SMALL
Leonard WARE born 1861 New York USA
Father Marcus WARE Commissions Merchant
Mother Renata WIENER
I found the Victorian marriage by accident I was looking for something else, it's a bit of a mystery as to why they would get married 12 years after the Capetown date, family unaware of Vic marriage.
I have the Australian and most of the New York information on the WARE family.
Can anyone help me find out more about Annie BIRD and the birth of Sylvia Laura WARE in South Africa or point me to somewhere I can do some research online.
I'm hoping that someone can visit the Cemetery and see if our family plot has a headstone.
I've contacted the Cemetery but they couldn't assist me.
Grave Location IND B 0077
Section Name Independent
Date Service Name Age
30-Nov-1901 Burial NORGROVE, FLORRENCE 29
10-Aug-1909 Burial NORGROVE, THEOPHILUS CORBAN 80
28-May-1915 Burial SIMPSON, JAMES 41
I have my fingers crossed that there is a headstone with more details on James SIMPSON as we don't know who he is and no death certificate can be found anywhere. He is a real mystery.
I have been searching for a while for this man, here is what I have
John SHEPPARD Surname spelling on Baptism SHEPHERD
Baptised St Marys Nottingham 16 July 1833
Mother Elizabeth born abt. 1797 in Frean Gatus Derby Derbyshire England
Father John - occupation Lace Maker
I have been unable to find any further information for father John or later listed as Alfred.
On 1841 Census with Mother Elizabeth and sister Mary
1841 England Census about John Shephard
Name: John Shephard
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England
Civil parish: St Mary
Street Address: Rose's Row
Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Byron
Neighbors: View others on page
Page Number: 19
John Dalley 43 ??? (not sure who this person is doesn't appear with family again)
Elizabeth Shephard 41 occupation Tambourer
Mary Shephard 11
John Shephard 8
6 Burdett Court
Elizabeth Sheperd 52 Tambourer
John Sheperd 17 Lace Maker
George Widdowson 15 parents live next door
Maria Widdowson 14 parents live next door
On 23 January 1853 John SHEPHARD married Elizabeth Musson in St. Marys parish church he was living at Burdett Court his father is listed as Alfred Shepherd - deceased labourer.
John signs his name as SHEPHARD Elizabeth makes her mark 'x'
They are both listed as "under age"
John & Elizabeth have two children
1. Jane SHEPPHERD
born 11 Aug 1854 Burdett Court St Marys, Nottingham
Father John SHEPPHERD lace Maker,
Mother Elizabeth Sheppherd formerly Musson
Jane died 1927 - surname SHEPHERD her sons surname SHEPPARD (that's a whole other story)
2. George SHEPPARD
born 16 July 1857 Burdett Court St Marys, Nottingham
Father John SHEPPARD lace maker
Mother Elizabeth Sheppard formerly Musson
George died 1876
John's sister Mary was baptised 17 Feb 1830 no father listed mother Elizabeth SHEPHERD.
The spelling of the surname changes back and forward.
I can't find any trace of John b1833 on the 1861 Census, Elizabeth is with her parents and her mother in law (Johns mother) at her parents address Mall Mill Lane
Civil parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
George Musson 51
Hannah Musson 51
>>>Elizabeth Shephard 29
>>>Jane Shephard 6
>>>George Shephard 3
Harriet Musson 11
Elizabeth Sheppard 64 Johns Mother
I have details of the Musson family and for Elizabeth Sheppard nee Musson and most of the information on Jane Sheppard b1854.
Can any one find my John, he is my husbands Great Great Grandfather and we would love to know what happened to him.
I'm looking for information on the arrival of Hannah HEDGE or HILL to NSW Australia between 1851-1853, with infant son.
I have information on her prior to 1851 and after 1853 as follows,
In 1851 Census she is with her parents in Bedford Befordshire England she was born March 1834 Bedford Bedfordshire England.
Her son George Woodward HEDGE was born 8 June 1851 Bedford Bedfordshire, reputedly the son of George Woodward of Bedford. However there is no proof of this.
Hannah then appears in NSW where a second son Thomas HILL is born 28 August 1853 Petersham NSW his father is named Samuel HILL, but I can't find proof of any marriage either in England or in Australia, her youngest son George Woodward HEDGE is with her in NSW.
Hannah then married Henry BEZER in 1854 Willoughby NSW Australia and Thomas was baptised as Thomas Bezer-Hill but he continued to use the name HILL for his marriage and for his children, strangely George Woodward HEDGE Hannah's first son was not baptised Bezer but remained HEDGE.
On Hannah's will it states that she leaves her property to her two natural born sons George Woodward HEDGE and Thomas HILL as well as her other BEZER sons.
I can't find any reference for Hannah arriving in Australia between the Birth of George and the birth of Thomas as HEDGE/S or HILL/S. I have even tried HUMPHRIE/S and HUMPHREY/S which was her mothers maiden name, I have also tried various combinations of her name Ann/Anne/Anna/Hanna etc. but nothing.
Hannah's older brother Samuel Hedge arrived with his wife Sarah nee Ives and two small children in 1856 on the Blackfriar he listed Hannah as sister living in Sydney.
If someone could find her entry to Australia it would be much appreciated.
This is a real mystery.
I'm looking for information on James SIMPSON, below are the only details I have for him.
James SIMPSON buried 28 May 1915 aged 41 died Austin Hospital Kew Victoria Australia.
James is buried in the same grave as two of my husbands relatives
Grave Ref. IND B0077 Boroondara General Cemetery also known as Kew Cemetery, Kew Victoria Australia.
1. Florence NORGROVE buried 30 Nov 1901 husbands Great Great Aunt
2. Theophilus Corban NORGROVE buried 10 Aug 1901, Florence's father and husbands Great Great Grandfather.
other family members don't know who James SIMPSON is or how he is connected to the family if at all.
The Boroondara General Cemetery have no information other than what they have provided above, only to say that it would be highly unusual that a non relative would be buried in the same grave. They were unable to give me direction on how to find any further information on James SIMSPON.
I have checked the Victoria BMD and found one James Simpson but he was 88 years old.
I have tried ancestry but nothing jumps out, nothing in family search either. I have tried National archives, and Newspapers online can't see him there either, then again I could just be missing him.
Does anyone have any ideas on where to go from here, any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm looking for information on Annette W WARE born 1907/1908 New York death Unknown and her brother Arthur WARE born 27 Dec 1915 New York died 7 Jan 1997 Nassau New York
Parents of Annette & Arthur
Arthur W WARE B 31 Dec 1864 San Francisco California.
Death Unknown applied for passport in 19 Feb 1919 unable to trace after this.
married 9 Oct 1906 Manhattan New York
Edna FROEHLICH B 3 Dec 1884 New York, Edna then married Harry BUDWIG I don't know when, she died Jan 1987 as Edna BUDWIG in Nassau New York.
I have no information on Harry BUDWIG.
I have been unable to find any information on Annette W WARE after the 1920 Census she was 12 living in Manhatan New York.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
This is information I have on our KEIGWIN Family line. If anyone has further information please let me know.
Keigwin Family of Cornwall
John KEIGWIN Born Abt 1500 in Mousehole, Cornwall, England
Died 12 Dec 1588 Madron Cornwall
married 1530 Mousehole Cornwall
Katherine ??? Born Abt 1504 Mousehole, Cornwall
Died 26 Jul 1578 Madron Cornwall
Katherines Parents Unknown
child of John KEIGWIN & Katherine
Son of John
Jenkyn KEIGWIN Born Abt 1531 Mousehole Cornwall
Died 23 Jul 1595 Mousehole Cornwall
Thomasine RAWE Born Abt 1535 Mousehole Cornwall
Died Oct 1616 Paul Madron Cornwall
Thomasine's Parents Unknown
Information on Squire Jenkyn KEIGWIN Cornwall Hostorical Society
The Keigwin Arms, in Mousehole Cornwall, was built in the 14th century, the oldest building in the town. It is the only building left standing after the Spaniards set fire to Mousehole in the 16th century.
Its owner, Squire Jenkyn Keigwin was killed on 23rd July 1595 defending the house against the against the Spaniards.
There is a plaque outside the house stating this.
The house was also featured in the television series "Poldark"
Children of Jenkyn KEIGWIN & Thomasine RAWE
B abt 1562 Mousehole, D21 Apr 1636 Mousehole married Elizabeth ?? 1594
>>>Martin b abt 1564 (see below)
B abt 1566 Mousehole D ??? married Nicholas FLEMING 1592 married Nicholas NOYES 1613
Son of Jenkyn
Martin KEIGWIN Born abt 1564 Mousehole Cornwall
Died Sept 1632 Madron Cornwall
Elizabeth ??? Born abt 1580 Cornwall
Elizabeth's Parents Unknown
Child of Martin KEIGWIN and Elizabeth
Son of Martin
Jenkin KEIGWIN Born abt 1600 Paul Madron Cornwall
Baptised 15 Mar 1600 Paul Madron
Died 31 Mar 1640 Paul Madron
Elizabeth WOOLCOCK Born Abt 1600 Paul Madron Cornwall
Died 12 Jan 1692
Elizabeth's Parents Unknown
child of Jenkin KEIGWIN & Elizabeth WOOLCOCK
Son of Jenkin
Henry KEIGWIN Born Abt 1639 Paul Madron Cornwall
Baptised 21 Jul 1639 Paul Madron
Died 19 Feb 1695 Paul Madron
Ann HARRY Born abt 1639 Cornwall
Ann's Parents Unknown
child of Henry KEIGWIN & Ann HARRY
Son of Henry
Jenkin KEIGWIN Born 1671 Paul Madron Cornwall
Baprised 17 Feb 1671 Paul Madron
Dorcas TREMEARN Born abt 1664 Paul madron Cornwall
Baptised 11 Mar 1664 Paul Madron
Dorcas Parents father - John TREMEARN b1639 Paul Madron mother Unknown
John TREMEARN's father Richard b1601 Paul Madron mother unknown
child of Jenkin KEIGWIN & Dorcas TREMEARN
Son of Jenkin
Henry KEIGWIN Born 1705 Paul Madron Cornwall
Baptised 18 Nov 1705 Paul Madron
married 3 Feb 1732 Paul Madron
Prudence JENKIN Born abt 1705 Cornwall
Prudence's Parents father Richard JENKIN b1690 Paul Madron Cornwall mother Unknown
child of Henry KEIGWIN & Prudence JENKIN
Son of Henry
Richard KEIGWIN Born abt 1736 Paul Madron Cornwall
Baptised 9 Apr 1736 Paul Madron
married 21 Feb 1765 Paul Madron Cornwall
Ann TREGURTHA Born abt 1743 Paul Madron Cornwall
Baptised 13 Nov 1743 Paul Madron
Ann's Parents Unknown
child of Richard KEIGWIN & Ann TREGURTHA
son of Richard
Thomas KEIGWIN Born Abt 1782 Paul madron Cornwall
Baptised 10 Mar 1782 Paul madron
Died 1 Sept 1832 Paul Madron
married 1 Nov 1807 Paul Madron Cornwall
Ann TREGURTHA Born 5 Jul 1786 Paul Madron Cornwall
Died 6 Jan 1864 Paul Madron
Ann's Parents Unknown
Children of Thomas KEIGWIN & Ann TREGURTHA
Ann Tregurtha Baptised 10 Jul 1808 Paul Madron
>>>Thomas 1810-1885 (see below)
Phillis Baptised 11 Oct 1812 Paul Madron
Grace Baptised 26 Feb 1815 Paul Madron
Rebecca Baptised 27 Feb 1820 Paul Madron
Jane Tregurtha Baptised 1 Jan 1824 Paul Madron
Richard Baptised 19 Jun 1826 Paul Madron
Son of Thomas
Thomas KEIGWIN Born abt 1810 Paul Madron Cornwall
Baptised 13 May 1810 Paul Madron
Died Sept 1885 Penzance
Elizabeth Ann TREWHELLA Born abt 1810 Paul Madron Cornwall
Baptised 9 Dec 1810 Paul Madron
Died Sept 1873 Aston Warwickshire
Elizabeth's Parents Unknown
children of Thomas KEIGWIN & Elizabeth Ann TREWHELLA
>>>Elizabeth Ann 1837-1888 (see below)
John Trewhella B Jan 1840 Penzance
Thomas B Jun 1844 Penzance
daughter of Thomas
Elizabeth Ann KEIGWIN Born 20 Sept 1837 Penzance Cornwall
Died March 1888 Solihull Warwickshire
married 3 May 1856 Aston Warwickshire
Theophilus Corban NORGROVE Born abt 1829 Chipping Campden Gloucestershire
Died 8 Aug 1908 Balwyn Victoria Australia
Theophilus' Parents father John Corban NORGROVE b1794 Birmingham died 1856 Birmingham
mother Sarah EDDELS b1795 Sodbury Gloucestershire died 8 Apr 1852 Warwickshire
Sarah EDDELS parents Thomas EDDELS b1770 d1827 & Dinah ROGERS b1770 d??
children of Elizabeth KEIGWIN & Theophilus Corban NORGROVE
Mary B Mar 1857 Birmingham D1815 Birmingham married Charles HATELEY
>>>John Thomas 1858-1909 (see below)
Elizabeth Ann B Jun 1860 Birmingham D?? married Thomas WHITEHOUSE
Amana B Jun 1863 Birmingham D?? married Albert Thomas EVANS
Joseph Corban B Jun 1865 Birmingham D?? married Elizabeth REDMAN
Clara B Sept 1867 Birmingham D??
Ethel B Sept 1869 Birmingham D 1957 Castlemaine Victoria Australia married William KERR
Emily Jane B Dec 1869 Birmingham D???
Florence B Dec 1870 Birmingham Died 1901 Surrey Hills Victoria Australia
Theophilus Leslie Trewhella B Sept 1879 Birmingham
son of Elizabeth KEIGWIN
John Thomas NORGROVE Born 31 Jul 1858 Birmingham England
Died 25 Feb 1909 Melbourne Victoria Australia
married 23 Aug 1888 South Melbourne Victoria Australia
Elizabeth POWNE Born 10 May 1867 Penzance Cornwall
Died 20 Dec 1912 Fitzroy Victoria Australia
Elizabeth's parents father William POWNE b1834 Lanteglos Cornwall d 3 jan 1917 Melbourne VIC Australia
mother Sophia TREBILCOCK b1837 Ladock Cornwall d20 Aug 1903 Melb. VIC. Aust.
(have info on TREBILCOCK & POWNE families)
children of John Thomas NORGROVE & Elizabeth POWNE
Francis Maisey B1889 Melbourne VIC Aust. Died 1958 Melbourne VIC Aust married Wilfrid Gordon WRAGG
Ethel Berta B Sth Melbourne VIC Aust. 1890 Died ?? married William James MACLELLAN
>>>Ralph Powne 1897-1944
Leslie Muriel B 24 Nov 1905 Melbourne VIC Aust. Died ?? Married Percy NETTE, married Victor Leslie LAWREY married Garret Stuart UPSTILL known as Dorothy.
son of John Thomas Norgrove & Elizabeth POWNE
Ralph Powne NORGROVE Born 24 Jun 1897 Subiaco Western Australia
Died 21 Dec 1944 Concord NSW Australia
married 28 Apr 1924 Manly NSW Australia
Muriel Violette WARE Born 27 Aug 1890 Sydney NSW Australia
Died 1967 Burwood NSW Australia
Muriels Parents father Leo WARE b7 Mar 1861 New York USA d7 Sept 1942 Liverpool NSW Australia
mother Annie BIRD b1867 Cape Town Sth Africa d21 Mar 1940 Liverpool NSW Aust.
Work is continuing on this KEIGWIN family line to update missing information.