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Looking for YOUNG family of New Zealand - Thomas and Elizabeth Young

Update: This has now been solved. Thanks.

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Allen Norman Young born 1920, died in 1942 a casualty of WWII.

Son of Thomas Young and Julia Mary Young (nee King).

Known siblings of Allen: Thomas Joseph Young (b 1911),Leslie John Young, (1913-1995) Colin, Nola and Esma.

Family lived in Manurewa, Auckland, New Zealand.

Father Thomas (Tom) Young's parents Elizabeth and Thomas Young.

Known siblings of father Tom Young: Jane Anne Rowe (Ann Young) 1892-1976,Joseph Henry (Joe)Young 1890-1931, Mary Flannagan (Mary Young), Elizabeth Teward/Barnett (Elizabeth Young) Jack Young, Bill Young.

Elizabeth Teward/Barnett was my great-grandmother. Tom Young and his siblings my great-great-uncles and aunts.

The only record I have found of a Thomas and Elizabeth Young arriving to New Zealand:


Queen of the Mersey
Ship: 1227 Tons
Captain: Atkins
Surgeon Superintendent:
Departed London July 3rd 1862 - arrived Lyttelton October 19th 1862
Young, Thomas 27 Berwickshire Farm Labourer
Young, Elizabeth 21

If this is the right record they probably came from Berwick-On-Tweed in Northumberland, Britain. They had no children when they arrived to New Zealand.

However:

Births of all the children that were born to a Thomas and Elizabeth Young in the entire NZ records:


1873/41936 Young, Adam - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1864/14787 Young, David - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1863/15030 Young, John - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1870/31655 Young, Eupheure - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1868/28872 Young, Catherine - Parents Elizabeth Thomas

1878/14669 Young, Thomas - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1890/7166 Young, Henry Joseph (should be Joseph Henry(Joe) - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1892/14365 Young, Jane Ann (Ann)- Parents Elizabeth Thomas

I know it's not unusual for families of that time to have many children over up to a thirty year period or more - but most of these names, excepting the last three make no matches with the family tree as remembered by my grandmother, and no corresponding records to be found such as marriage, death etc. I am taking into consideration middle names, being used as forenames, or "nicknames", or just basic errors (I've already found one above with Joseph Henry). At this time I can't tell and Young is not exactly an easy name to narrow down!

Please contact me if you have any further family tree info or can make any connections.

5 comment(s), latest 11 years ago

Missing Resting Places: Morris Family Mystery

I have a few family mysteries yet to solve and this is one conundrum.
I cannot find the resting place of my first cousin Nat Morris and wondering if any members here may have some new searching ideas/leads to try.
Nat died in Newtown, Sydney in 1969 according to his death certificate, and after that the trail goes cold.
Some background in brief which may be helpful. This was not his real name. His government name was Larten Slatopolsky known as 'Nuskie' to the family. and he was born in Glasgow into a Jewish migrant family. He took the gentile name Nathan.
In the 1920s he absconded from Scotland without telling the family and migrated to Australia where he shortened his forename to Nat and took Morris his father's name as his last name becoming 'Nat Morris.' I haven't found any evidence he changed his name officially or ever naturalized.
In 1931 he married Marjorie May Broughton from an old NSW pastoral family. They had one son Frank who died in childhood at five, so there were no descendants. They lived in Camperdown around the back of Newtown for life.
The family did eventually find out where he was but he excommunicated them essentially. He didn't want anything to do with a reunion of any kind. I have no idea what the reason was behind all of this but something serious must have happened now I think about it. Nobody now knows. I get an inkling from a family story he just didn't want anything to do with being Jewish or his old life for reasons known to himself.
I have searched every cemetery and database I can think of. Including all the Jewish cemeteries. It was very unusual for someone of a Jewish family not to be interred in consecrated Hebrew ground even if they had left the faith. He's not in Rookwood or Springvale. I think it's clear he was an exception to this general rule. yes I have checked all the name variations, government names, variations, misspellings etc.
Here is where it gets even weirder, Marjorie's resting place ALSO cannot be found! So not just one but two people. I'm wondering if it is possible they were cremations and this was somehow unrecorded or, records are perhaps incomplete, but I think this would be unusual. Were pauper burials unrecorded in NSW state?
Marjorie's mother had several siblings but amazingly I haven't been able to track any descendants from any; except one branch, her aunt Mabel Alice Audet which also fizzles out. I was hoping someone may have more info but that line of inquiry has been unsuccessful.
Marjorie died 1978 and left her estate to Alfred Alexander Audet the lawyer son of her aunt Mabel. So she died with means, probably owning their house in Camperdown, rather than broke.
After that the trail also goes cold.
It's so odd. I haven't had a case I can't eventually crack yet but this one has me stumped. Thanks in advance.


Portrait of Murial (sic) and John Cameron, Greymouth, New Zealand

Update: This one I consider to be solved and as I suspected, would be John Sellars Cameron (1906 - 1956) and Muriel Mary Cameron (1907 - 1961); 2 children of John Hendry Cameron and Constance nee McGarvey. I think the most likely theory is that the photographer had a traveling studio at times in his career.

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I don’t often post here these days because I am pretty good at cracking most cases that look impossible. However I am stumped by this one. A portrait noted to be of ‘Muriel and John Cameron’, taken in Greymouth on the West Coast of New Zealand’s South Island.
The photographer is James Ring (1856-1939). Ring headed to Greymouth soon after arrival in New Zealand and operated his independent studio from about 1879 until 1924; so an incredibly long time and this is not particularly helpful for narrowing down dates. There are no other clues to go on, besides the photo looks to have been taken maybe between the mid-1900s to mid-1910s, and the girl, who looks under 2 years old is slightly older than the boy who looks about 1 year old; so assuming they are siblings they were born 1-2 years apart. Both of these data points tee with the only potential match.
Cross-checking Camerons who had children with both these names historically, only reveals one couple, John Hendry and Constance Cameron who had a daughter Muriel Mary Cameron in 1907, and a son John Sellars Cameron in 1906.
However I have zero evidence the Camerons were ever in Greymouth/West Coast/Westland or had any reason to be.
There is a lot of information showing that these Camerons resided in the mid-North Island area over the decades around Wairarapa, Taranaki, Manuatu-Whanganui, and Hawkes Bay. This is where they consistently crop up. References are regular enough it is difficult to believe they ever had a period in the South Island but, it is certainly not impossible; people moved around a lot in those days depending what line they were in. It just looks unlikely they are the same people and there’s nothing to back it up, especially any electoral records. To me it doesn’t look to me like they ever left that central area of the North Island.
Anyway, I thought I’d post this on the off chance one day someone is looking for Cameron family and they can match it with something. Unfortunately ‘Cameron’ was an incredibly common surname, with thousands of immigrants arriving from Scotland in the C19th and many had a habit of naming their children with the same small roster of names, meaning trying to figure stuff out is a hard ask. That’s another point, there is of course the possibility these Camerons could well have been recent arrivals to New Zealand meaning Muriel and John were not born there at all.


3 comment(s), latest 3 years, 10 months ago

Seeking Information on Jesners in Melbourne, Australia

I am seeking connections between my family and Jesners of Melbourne.

My great-aunt was Bella Jesner (nee Zam). She married Robert Isaac Jesner in Glasgow. The Jesner family, which had a very successful history in dealing metal and vehicles, as well as heavy involvement with the synagogue there, is a large family still present in Glasgow today.
The Jesner family already had some history in Australia; Robert's brother Isador came to New Zealand for a short time, arriving and leaving in 1911, and presumably went straight to Australia.
He settled in Carlton North, Melbourne, where joined by his sister Lena they launched a Stocking manufacturing enterprise named P&J Hosiery. They retired from the business in 1934, and the mill, now owned by Albert and Clara Bernadou, became the Vogue Hosiery factory.

Lena Jesner was investigated by the Commonwealth Police Force and Investigation Service, Victoria in 1930 for reasons unknown. I don't know if some kind of persecution or harassment had bearing on their decision to leave Australia and return to Scotland, but it's possible. I have turned up a number of investigations conducted by the government on my family in the 1930s and 1940s both in Australia and New Zealand. Likely they were targeted during "The Red Bogie" because they happened to be foreign and Jewish. Isador and Lena returned to Scotland and lived in Glasgow until they died. I am not sure if either ever married.
My great-aunt Bella visited Australia for the first time in 1956 to see one of her daughters. (Family memory is that Bella also went to live in Germany for a time before Australia, but did not really like it. As you can see, the photo seems to have been taken in Berlin so this makes sense).

All three of her children with Robert Isaac Jesner eventually moved to Australia one by one; Gertrude (known as Trudie) and Serra (known as Sybil) both settled in the Melbourne area. George arrived with his wife Dorothy to Canberra, ACT in 1964, bringing Bella with them to live. Bella died that same year and was interred in Victoria.

George and Dorothy visited a Jesner relation in Melbourne apparently named Nancy - but are now not sure exactly how Nancy was related. Doing some further digging around in the records, I found remnants of Jesners in the Melbourne area but I am not sure how they fit in to our tree.
They were Nathan Stone, and Julia Williams nee Stone, who passed away around 1970, as well as siblings Ada, Dora and Rebecca Stone - their mother was Esther Rose Jesner. These were her children with Abraham Stone. Esther's father was Selim Jesner, who would probably would have been born circa 1840s. Esther Jesner also had a marriage to a Solomon Cohen and had at least one child, Minnie Cohen. All are buried in Jewish sections/cemeteries of Melbourne.
There are also apparently Yesner relations of the Jesners in Australia - the Yesner branch were settled in South Africa, again I am not sure how they are related.


Seeking Information on Lorna Jenks known as Anna Hoffman

Update: This enquiry has been resolved.

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Lona Jenks, 1938-2014, restyled herself as Anna Karina Hoffman, and crossed the ditch to Sydney to go adventuring.

Hoffman was notorious in both Sydney and Auckland where she claimed to be a witch, amongst other things. She was labelled as a 'great eccentric' and often as a 'femme fatale.' The former is pretty much the real deal, but the latter was probably not (she was often quoted as saying her reputation in this respect was 'over-rated'). There's no doubt she was a character who reveled in her own antics and the minor celebrity that came with it - just letting weeds of stories grow up around her.

She had several run-ins with the law on both sides of the ditch which were liberally showcased in papers of the time like the Truth whose stock-in-trade was the titillating and scandalous. She released her life story in three parts, which are now all out of stock and near impossible to get.
It's the second installment I am after which possibly details her antics in Sydney including her alleged dalliance with Bumper Farrell in which she's said to have given him drug-laced chocolates and recorded the whole thing, in order to blackmail him. This was apparently followed by a swift deportation.
At this point in time I am now pretty sure that this was almost complete fiction but Hoffman was a master fable weaver, when it came to herself. I think it's clear she just really loved publicity and happened to be really talented at it!

I'm seeking information and/or a copy of one of Hoffman's autobiographies particularly the one that outlines her time in Australia. If you have the book, or you once knew Anna and have some stories to share, please let me know. I'm hoping to write a story on her life and times in Kings Cross for an upcoming publication.


Seeking Information on Robert Frank (Bob) Godfrey, of New Zealand

Update: This has now been solved. Thanks.

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I am seeking information on Bob Godfrey who was a sign writer and artist living and working mostly in the Manawatu-Wanganui region of NZ.

I am currently writing a story on Peter Pan Frozen Foods and the Denne family, hopefully to be published as a small book for the upcoming reunion. Bob worked for the company during the 1960s for a number of years and did many of their posters and wrappers in quite a unique style. I have been on this story for a couple of years now and have found a lot of his work, but very little information on him and the rest of his career.

Recently just a small amount of further information came to light, but I have now come to a dead end again.
This is what I now know: He was living in Waipukurau married to Maureen between 1969-1978. Previous to that the couple had been living in Hastings around the early-mid 1960s. In 1978 the couple moved to Rotorua where he continued to work in the same industry until at least 1981. It's unknown whether they had any children, but unlikely.

Bob Godfrey does not appear in the records earlier than 1963 excepting one reference to a Robert Frank Godfrey at Nelson Creek in 1957 working as a bushman (unlikely to be him - and yet, there was nobody else by the same name in any records).

BDM had no results for birth, marriage, or death of Bob or Maureen, or children of the couple. The government has no records whatsoever. It is hard to say whether he was an immigrant but I am speculating he was born in New Zealand, and maybe born between 1939-1945. It is quite possible he is still alive.

I have previously sent letters out to Godfreys living in the region, and have had no results.


1 comment(s), latest 10 years, 6 months ago

Seeking Information on the Fyfe family of Auckland

I'm particularly interested in finding information on Alison Bruce Fyfe,who had at least a brief career as an illustrator in the 1940s-1950s. Alison was born in 1927, in the Takapuna, Auckland area but the Fyfes were originally from the Dunedin area. Seemingly she vanished after 1954 and likely married, changing her name, or moved overseas. There's an article here:

Flights Of Fancy : Alison Fyfe


Seeking Information on the Hind Family of Glasgow

Update: This has now been solved. Thanks.

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I am attempting to get in touch with the Hind family of Glasgow. My great-aunt Sonia Slane(nee Zam)had a daughter Eleanor who married Archie Hind. Archie, who passed away in 2008, was primarily famous for his novel "The Dear Green Place" which has come to be considered a Scottish literary modern classic of sorts. Apparently Eleanor is still alive and living in Scotland.


1 comment(s), latest 10 years, 1 month ago

Sutton and McGorman families of Christchurch

A large cache of family photos in the form of glass plate negatives belonging to the Sutton and McGorman families of Christchurch, New Zealand. Featured in it is famous Kiwi artist Bill Sutton. They are currently for sale from a Timaru store Vintage Wonderland. Album is here: https://tinyurl.com/y2jvnyst


1 comment(s), latest 4 years, 6 months ago