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I am seeking connections between my family and Jesners of Melbourne.
My great-aunt was Bella Jesner (nee Zam). She married Robert Isaac Jesner in Glasgow. The Jesner family, which had a very successful history in dealing metal and vehicles, as well as heavy involvement with the synagogue there, is a large family still present in Glasgow today.
The Jesner family already had some history in Australia; Robert's brother Isador came to New Zealand for a short time, arriving and leaving in 1911, and presumably went straight to Australia.
He settled in Carlton North, Melbourne, where joined by his sister Lena they launched a Stocking manufacturing enterprise named P&J Hosiery. They retired from the business in 1934, and the mill, now owned by Albert and Clara Bernadou, became the Vogue Hosiery factory.
Lena Jesner was investigated by the Commonwealth Police Force and Investigation Service, Victoria in 1930 for reasons unknown. I don't know if some kind of persecution or harassment had bearing on their decision to leave Australia and return to Scotland, but it's possible. I have turned up a number of investigations conducted by the government on my family in the 1930s and 1940s both in Australia and New Zealand. Likely they were targeted during "The Red Bogie" because they happened to be foreign and Jewish. Isador and Lena returned to Scotland and lived in Glasgow until they died. I am not sure if either ever married.
My great-aunt Bella visited Australia for the first time in 1956 to see one of her daughters. (Family memory is that Bella also went to live in Germany for a time before Australia, but did not really like it. As you can see, the photo seems to have been taken in Berlin so this makes sense).
All three of her children with Robert Isaac Jesner eventually moved to Australia one by one; Gertrude (known as Trudie) and Serra (known as Sybil) both settled in the Melbourne area. George arrived with his wife Dorothy to Canberra, ACT in 1964, bringing Bella with them to live. Bella died that same year and was interred in Victoria.
George and Dorothy visited a Jesner relation in Melbourne apparently named Nancy - but are now not sure exactly how Nancy was related. Doing some further digging around in the records, I found remnants of Jesners in the Melbourne area but I am not sure how they fit in to our tree.
They were Nathan Stone, and Julia Williams nee Stone, who passed away around 1970, as well as siblings Ada, Dora and Rebecca Stone - their mother was Esther Rose Jesner. These were her children with Abraham Stone. Esther's father was Selim Jesner, who would probably would have been born circa 1840s. Esther Jesner also had a marriage to a Solomon Cohen and had at least one child, Minnie Cohen. All are buried in Jewish sections/cemeteries of Melbourne.
There are also apparently Yesner relations of the Jesners in Australia - the Yesner branch were settled in South Africa, again I am not sure how they are related.
Were you at Erskine College in Island Bay, aka the Convent of Sacré Coeur Catholic boarding school for women, aka Sacred Heart?
Do you remember someone named L. Reilly who boarded there in the 1960s?
Recently a cache of items was found under a loose floorboard in one of the old dormitories - including a name tag, garment labels etc, thought to date between 1961-1972. Most of the items were discarded by her around the mid 1960s when she was perhaps 13 or 14 years old. More information here:
The Shelf Life of Reilly
L. Reilly is presumed to have been born in the early 1950s. Electoral roll records only show around 10 L. Reillys in the 1970s when she would have been old enough to register for voting. In fact this is the total between 1963-1978, so one of these must be the right person. Here's the full list:
Leah Agnes Reilly, Ashburton, Canterbury
Lilian Reilly, Palmerston North, Manawatu-Wanganui
Lillian Anthea Reilly, Waitomo, Waikato
Lorna Louise May Reilly, Buller, West Coast
Lucie Louise Reilly, St Kilda, Otago
Lilian Reilly, Avon, Canterbury
Lillian A Reilly, King Country, Taranaki
Lee Reilly, Pakuranga, Auckland
Lorraine Maureen Reilly, Waikato, Waikato
Lynda Ruth Reilly, Rangitikei, Manawatu-Wanganui
Lynn M Reilly, Remuera, Auckland
Lynn Walles Reilly, Heretaunga, Wellington
Lila Patricia Reilly, Birkenhead, Auckland
Lilian Reilly, Rangiora, Canterbury
Lorraine Jenifer Reilly, Helensville, Auckland
Lynette Ann Reilly, Selwyn, Canterbury
Lynn Mabel Reilly, Napier, Hawke's Bay
Lynn Walter Reilly, Heretaunga, Wellington
L. Reilly could be one of the people in these archived class photos (the original site is now defunct)
Erskine/Sacré Coeur Class Photos
If you know anything, or know someone who may remember, please contact me.
Seeking information for a story on the Entrican family of Auckland, New Zealand.
A.J. Entrican & Sims was a coffee and spice / wholesale provision merchant based in Customs Street East, Auckland, New Zealand - now named Australis House the building constructed circa 1904 still stands today and was recently refurbished as part of the Britomart Precinct project. The company went on to be one of the most successful of its kind in the country.
A respected and powerful member of the community, A.J. (Andrew James, 1859-1936) Entrican served as a city councillor and was for a great many years deputy mayor and a trustee of Auckland Savings Bank, amongst other titles of significance he held. He married Elizabeth Mary McKay and they produced about ten offspring.
His brother was apparently R.J. Entrican (Robert James,1868-1928 ) also an Auckland-based merchant who married Annie Lamb. They had four or so children including Alexander Robert (Pat) Entrican who was a well-known civil engineer and forestry administrator (featured bio on Dictionary of New Zealand) who played an important part in the history of his particular industry.
Robert William Gallaugher went into business with another of Andrew's brothers J.C (James Cuthbertson, 1864-1951) Entrican for a time - Their business was named Gallaugher & Entrican. Like Entrican & Sims they were also dealing as wholesale provision merchants. J.C. Entrican also served on the council and after a few years parted ways with Gallaugher and joined his brother at A.J. Entrican & Sims to form A.J. Entrican & Co.
I ran across this photo (below) and have discussed it with a descendant who thinks that "Missy" may be Ellen Isobel Entrican was born in 1906. This photo was taken in 1909 and the child looks to be around 3 years old or so. Ellen was Pat Entrican's sister.
Any titbits on family history appreciated. You can see the type of stories I do here, this one on a similar firm named Brown Barrett & Co (which were, incidentally, just two doors away from Entrican on Customs Street East):
Portrait of Missie Entrican, Sir George Grey Special Collections, Auckland Libraries, 31-57972
Seeking information for a further story on the McClymont family who owned McClymont Confectionery Ltd. One of their brands was "Tinkerbell", which was jelly crystals. However they were more famous for their self-named brand of toffees apparently - sold through grocery chains like Four Square and Self Help. They may have been in business from the 1930s - but they definitely built a factory around 1953 in Point Chevalier, Auckland. It seems by the early 1960s the business may have been sold to Tucker of the Sunshine brand and subsumed. The building was demolished some time in the 1990s to build a shopping complex. Potential fragments of information I have are that the company may have been owned by Thomas Allen "Scotty" McClymont, who was a noted Kiwi sportsman - a New Zealand rugby league player and coach who represented his country. The family were living in Mount Albert in the early 1960s. Descendants may be living in West Auckland - in the Te Atatu area. Possibly a daughter and son-in-law with surname Little or possibly Liddle were involved with a Christian newspaper The Challenge Weekly and may have done some missionary work. I also found reference to a Barry McClymmont having worked for them. That can't be a coincidence. I have contacted this newspaper which is still going today and they weren't able to help with any information. I'm interested in any information, even if it's just as insignificant as consuming a McClymont/Tinkerbell product - and when that was.
I have to say I am loving FTC.
So far with the few journal entries I have put up I have had pretty amazing success at getting information about long lost family details from helpful members!
So here goes the next one.
Note the spelling of the name is quite specific - not Flannigan, Flanagan, Flanigan, or Flanaghan (although this in its self is a problem - since even my family spelled it incorrectly and I've found some BDM records with the name misspelled as Flanagan).
Mary Flannagan (1895-1992) was my first cousin twice removed.
Her mother Mary Young was my great-aunt and I have covered her siblings in a previous journal here.
Mary Young married William (Bill) Flannagan (?-?) and had the following children with him:
Stanley John Flannagan (1900-1990)
Thomas William Flannagan (1900-1954)
Isabella Flannagan (1905-?)
Ann Flannagan (?-?)
Joseph Flannagan (?-?)
and of course the aforementioned Mary Flannagan.
Mary Flannagan married Arthur Henry Steward (1889-1948). It is not Steward Ancestors I am so much looking for as Arthur was descended from the Hamiltons, Gerards, Douglases etc all of which is well documented as British peerage.
Arthur and Mary possibly had three sons:
Allen Stanley Steward (1925-1997)
Maximilian (Max) Steward MBE (?-2003)
William (Bill) Steward (?-?)
I suspect Max may have been the well-known New Zealand Decathlete and trainer that passed away about ten years ago. His wife may have been a Shirley Steward. If I can find some more recent Stewards, they may have some knowledge of the other Flannagans of which details are sketchy.
I am seeking information on Herbert Cutts known as Bert Cutts. Born in Derbyshire, c 1870, Bert also lived in Nottinghamshire with his wife Henrietta(nee Moody). there may have been three children from this union. He worked as a miner, and sometime labourer and gardener.
He was known to be musically inclined and may have also painted pictures for a period - landscapes and still life which may have led to an interest in photography.
He arrived to Australia from Britain apparently with a German band sometime between 1901-1910 and worked in mining at Kembla Colliery, South Coast of New south Wales, but also was considered the "local photographer" and took portraits of mostly groups and sometimes landscapes in Kembla Heights and Cordeaux Valley area. Very few are definitely confirmed as being by him - sometimes embossed on the back of the mount with "H. Cutts. Photographer. Kimbla Hights(sic)". He seemed to be working from the mid 1900s to the late 1910s. The M.O. is groups of early Kembla Settlers posed casually. Although he did seem to occasionally do formal shots in a studio setting.
Post photography he was well known locally as a musician - playing concertina and he and his wife sang and entertained at parties and dances.
Later he married a Mary Ann - who may have been known as "Polly". The earliest mention of her in records is 1930. Herbert and Mary Ann had no children. They left the Kembla area around 1943 and moved to the Liverpool, NSW area. Bert died there in 1949.
Bert had a brother Frederick, known as Fred, who lived nearby in Wollongong and was married to an Amy Sparling Cutts. They had five children; Winnie, Ada, George, Clarice, Eric.
Fred Cutts and Mary Ann Cutts both moved to Sydney where they died in the 1950s.
I have checked most databases and come up with little except some death notices on Trove. I'm hoping a descendant of Fred and Amy's family family may come forward with some information, memories, or even photos of the Kembla area.
I'm seeking any information on Lizbeth (sp) and Allec (sp) Zam. My grandfather Joseph Zam arrived to Wellington in 1916 with his sister Lizbeth - probably came via Scotland from Theodosia in Russia (now part of the Ukraine). They were both tailors and Joseph had a suit and uniform factory in central Auckland. He passed away in 1959. What I was told by my grandmother was that Joseph's sister married a Jack (Jacob?) Mann and they removed to Australia where they had two daughters, Nita and Freda. I have no information on Allec except he may also have lived in Australia for a time. And no leads on the Manns. Spelling of my great-aunt's name could be Lizbeth, Lizbet, Lispeth, Lizabet. Who knows - I've tried them all and turned up nothing!
Allen Norman Young born 1920, died in 1942 a casualty of WWII.
Son of Thomas Young and Julia Mary Young (nee King).
Known siblings of Allen: Thomas Joseph Young (b 1911),Leslie John Young, (1913-1995) Colin, Nola and Esma.
Family lived in Manurewa, Auckland, New Zealand.
Father Thomas (Tom) Young's parents Elizabeth and Thomas Young.
Known siblings of father Tom Young: Jane Anne Rowe (Ann Young) 1892-1976,Joseph Henry (Joe)Young 1890-1931, Mary Flannagan (Mary Young), Elizabeth Teward/Barnett (Elizabeth Young) Jack Young, Bill Young.
Elizabeth Teward/Barnett was my great-grandmother. Tom Young and his siblings my great-great-uncles and aunts.
The only record I have found of a Thomas and Elizabeth Young arriving to New Zealand:
Queen of the Mersey
Ship: 1227 Tons
Departed London July 3rd 1862 - arrived Lyttelton October 19th 1862
Young, Thomas 27 Berwickshire Farm Labourer
Young, Elizabeth 21
If this is the right record they probably came from Berwick-On-Tweed in Northumberland, Britain. They had no children when they arrived to New Zealand.
Births of all the children that were born to a Thomas and Elizabeth Young in the entire NZ records:
1873/41936 Young, Adam - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1864/14787 Young, David - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1863/15030 Young, John - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1870/31655 Young, Eupheure - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1868/28872 Young, Catherine - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1878/14669 Young, Thomas - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1890/7166 Young, Henry Joseph (should be Joseph Henry(Joe) - Parents Elizabeth Thomas
1892/14365 Young, Jane Ann (Ann)- Parents Elizabeth Thomas
I know it's not unusual for families of that time to have many children over up to a thirty year period or more - but most of these names, excepting the last three make no matches with the family tree as remembered by my grandmother, and no corresponding records to be found such as marriage, death etc. I am taking into consideration middle names, being used as forenames, or "nicknames", or just basic errors (I've already found one above with Joseph Henry). At this time I can't tell and Young is not exactly an easy name to narrow down!
Please contact me if you have any further family tree info or can make any connections.