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Daniel Baker family (Raoul Island)
Daniel & Noa Baker

Country of origin: England
Areas in New Zealand: Hokianga, Samoa, Raoul Island, Mangonui
Source: personal information

Daniel Baker was a freed convict from Australia. After gaining his freedom he came to the Hokianga about 1835. He went on a whaling ship to Samoa, where he met Noa on Tutuila Island (now American Samoa.)
They left Samoa for Raoul Island, Kermadec group, in 1837. They may have been married by a whaling captain. They joined the Reed family there. 4 children were born to them on Raoul Island; Charles, George, Mary, and Sarah. At one point Daniel went to Samoa and brought goats back to the Kermadecs.The island began erupting in 1843, and the Reed family left for New Zealand. In 1845 stronger eruptions occurred, and the Bakers were picked up by an American whaler, the Ganges and brought to the Bay of Islands, New Zealand. Their sons Henry and William were born in New Zealand. In 1849 all 6 children were baptized as Anglicans by Rev Puckey from Kaitaia, at Mangonui, where they were then living. He did not marry the parents, which was done if necessary, which tends to show that they had been previously married.
Noa or Noe was the first known Samoan person in new Zealand

Till we meet again - Regards - edmondsallan

2 comment(s), latest 5 years, 4 months ago


Ce journal est un membre franais (aliette) recherche pour son ascendance familiale
Bonjour Aliette, Voici une liste de "s Allemange qui peuvent vous aider. S'il vous plat excuser mon franais trs pauvre. Cordialement edmondsallan

Sexe: Fminin Naissance: 1476 A propos de Blere, Indre-et-Loire France,

FRANCOISE D 'ALLEMAGNE - International Genealogical Index
Mariage Homme:: Genre 1509 du, Blere, Indre-et-Loire France,

Sexe: Homme mariage: 15 NOV 1672 Saint-Germain-En-Laye, Seine-et-Oise, France

Gender: Female Christening: 13 SEP 1703 Saint-Germain-En-Laye, Seine-Et-Oise, France

Fminin Naissance: Une Sexes: 23 FEB 1730

Fminin Naissance: Une Sexes: 11 DEC 1673

Sexe: Homme Baptme: 26 JAN 1761 Moncel-sur-Seille, en Meurthe-et-Moselle France,

Sexe: Homme Baptme: 12 AUG 1792 Moncel-sur-Seille, en Meurthe-et-Moselle France,

Sexe: Homme Baptme: 29 JUN 1731 Aubou-Et-Moutiers, Meurthe-et-Moselle, France

Sexe: Femme Baptme: 05 AUG 1728 Aubou-Et-Moutiers, Meurthe-et-Moselle, France

JEAN D'ALLEMAGNE - International Genealogical Index
Sexe: Homme Baptme: 20 MAR 1721 Aubou-Et-Moutiers, Meurthe-et-Moselle, France

Sexe: Homme Baptme: 10 FEB 1734 Aubou-Et-Moutiers, Meurthe-et-Moselle, France

Sexe: Homme Baptme: 26 JAN 1761 Moncel-sur-Seille, en Meurthe-et-Moselle France,

Sexe: Homme Baptme: 06 NOV 1766 Parroy, Meurthe-et-Moselle, France

Simon Jean Felix D'Allemagne -
Sexe: Homme Baptme: 25 NOV 1798 Cathdrale De Notre-Dame, Paris, Seine, France

Marie Josphe d'Allemagne -
Sexe: Homme mariage: 02 NOV 1813 Haudainville, Meuse, France

Sexe: Homme Mariage: 12 FEB 1843 Creu, Meuse, France

au-revoir en ce qui concerne-edmondsallan

8 comment(s), latest 5 years, 6 months ago


Hello This journal is about the early south island on the west coast We have NZ ancestors from the original dwellers their

Sealers at Dusky Sound
Arrived; 1792 on
Country of origin; Australia
Areas in New Zealand; Dusky Sound (Tamatea)
Source; Between Worlds- Anne Salmond

The first foreigners to live for any length of time in New Zealand were the sealers, beginning in 1792.
"Sealing was hard work, carried out by hard men. Gangs of 'sea-rats' (escaped or emancipated convicts, deserters or sailors) were landed on rocky beaches and islands, hunting for seals, sea-lions and elephant seals.When they found them, they killed them, extracting oil from their blubber and salting the skins in casks or pegging them out for the China market."
"Where there was no timber or fresh water nearby, they lived in caves, rock shelters, tents or under their upturned boats, drinking rainwater and eating seal meat, fish, mutton birds, and the supplies (usually skimpy) that had been landed with them."

On 1 December 1792 the ship Britannia, under Captain Raven, dropped off a party of men at Dusky Sound, under the command of William Leith, the second mate of the Britannia II. When the Britannia returned, on 12 October 1795, this group of twelve men, including Thomas Wilson, had collected almost 4,500 sealskins, and had almost finished building a vessel 53 feet long from local timber. This partially built vessel was abandoned in Dusky Sound, and the sealing party joined the Britannia on the remainder of her voyage to Norfolk island.

In September, 1795, the ships Endeavour, Captain Bampton, and Fancy, Captain Dell, departed from Port Jackson, NSW, enroute to India. It was planned that they would call in at Dusky Sound, do some sealing, finish off the half-built ship there, and collect timber for the Bengal Marine, then proceed to Hauraki for more timber. As soon as they were out to sea, 40 male convicts and 1 female convict- Ann Carey, were found to have stowed away on board the two ships. There were already about 50 freed convicts aboard as passengers, including a Mr Alms,Mr Thomas Beadles a couple James and Elizabeth Heatherly and their child James, aged about six. Casey was a soldier who had deserted. Robert Murry, previously on Raven's Britannia, was the 4th officer on Endeavour, and kept a diary of the voyage.

The two ships arrived at Dusky Sound on 12 October 1795, with the Endeavour in very poor condition. Between them they carried approximately 244 people, including 2 women, 1 child, Lascar seamen, Sepoys (Indian marines), escaped convicts, freed convicts, crew and officers. William Bowell, the first officer of the Endeavour, resigned his post, and was replaced by Mr Waine. Mr Weatherall was the 2nd officer and Robert Murry became the 3rd Officer.Dennison and Free were the officers of the Fancy

It was decided to strip the good timber off the Endeavour and use it to finish both the half- built vessel, later named Providence and convert the Endeavour's longboat into another vessel, later named Assistance. Everyone would have to leave on the Providence, Assistance and Fancy, or stay at Dusky Sound.

Eventually, in January 1796, the Fancy and Providence left for Norfolk Island, leaving behind about 90 people, including Ann Carey, in Dusky Sound. They continued working on the Assistance, and 2 months later set sail for Norfolk Island.

35 of the original passengers and crew remained in Dusky Sound until 1797, when they were rescued by the American ship Mercury. They had lived for more than 18 months in Dusky Sound.

The number who lived in Dusky Sound for long periods; 12 plus 35 = 47

Till we meet again - Regards - edmondsallan

1 comment(s), latest 5 years, 6 months ago


Good morning to all members . .Some members may wish to review some of the older Journals. I myself have gone back several times . The earlier journals our management staff wrote were outstanding and some of the data bases they gave can still be used to day in research . If you wish to review these journals , just click on the oldest numbers

( ie )= say the oldest daily numbers = 31,192 - just click on them .

When I first started I wrote several journals or more on each member of My Direct Descendant " John Samuel Edmonds " Family the first Edmonds to come to NZ. Should you wish to refer to those Journals , just click on the
' edmondsallan ' profile and then click on pages 14, and 15 . Should their be other information you wish to seek about my ancestral Journals , I can only be contacted by " Private Message " as I am officially restricted &-- volunteered not to comment ,,,, for at least four months . Their is some family ancestry , Unfortuneately that our family will note allow to be Publizied, However their is many guide lines on our family that I can assist anyone with I hope this Journal will assist someone -Till we meet again - Regards -edmondsallan


edmondsallan - Hello - We started as a singular tribe ( Part of large nomad tribes ,) resume our journey west wards . However for some reason it was decided to split the tribe into two ( 2 ). The " American" part of the tribe , went northwest towards the end of the Great " Rhine River " Denmark - Norway & became " Norsemen / Vikings . The " English " went Southwest towards the border and coast of Spain & France , then over to England near Kent as " Celts " Their the Celt " English " tribe , hunted , farmed , fought and in general , some moved into working with the stone in the large deposits found their . In the meantime , over the same time period , our vikings " American " family started raiding the west coast of Lancashire ( as it is known now " ) Isle of man , North Ireland & Southern Ireland . They used " Dublin " as their winter base . Over a period of time they fought very hard and gained a foothold on the coast and inland on the coast of Northern Lancashire . Within that time frame , from the second century ( 2nd ) BC to 790 AD. , the " American " family / tribe- the name had several changes & had now become " Edmundr-Mundi " Eventually the " Lancashire " settlement our part of the original tribe became " Edmonds " They carried that name back to " Dublin - Ireland " and to America and after several start - stops arrived in " Christchurch . NZ. The " English " Family / Tribe while working in the stone Quaries Had lost their tribal name & became known for centuries as " Men of stone " Their name remained as that until - 906 AD - The king of England then was " The Elder - Edward the 1st " King Edward & his Queen ( Princess of Kent )" named their Eldest son , Born in 0923 AD -" Prince Edmond " The Magnificent " In 1280 AD this " Royal Family " had blown their gold in a big way and needed to replentish their coffers_ !!! Fast ' All the people in that area that they owned were told they had to have a name & pay annual taxes to the King .( GST had not been thought of then ) If you didn't have a name that could go in their tax collects book - they cut off the heads of your whole family . Now " Edmonds " even our very distant ancestors were no slouches at working things out . They called a meeting among themselves . Put on the " Barbie " stole one of the Kings Pigs ,added some potatoes had a big feast - and in general after washing it down with " Home brew - " Decided they would adopt the name of their Master who owned the ground they worked and lived on -- " King / Prince Edmund " That name went on to become " Edmunds / Edmun / Edmon / Edmonds . It is the Descendants of this " English Family " who arrived at Keri Keri , Bay of Islands . Their you have the story in general as it came about . I could have gone over board with finer details . We do have more on the actual dates and places . I hope this will give you all a better understanding of how the two different families from the original DNA family way way back came to be . Now only some of the Genes from either family match up , not all , Just as it does ordinarily . Till we meet again - Regards - edmondsallan


edmondsallan - Good morning - This morning I thought we could run through our very early history , time frames , and where we were. I have researched and recorded ,two ( 2 ) earlier periods than this , back to the middle east . This journal might need some time to be absorbed. I hope also it will give a clearer mental picture of how the original Two ( 2 ) different " Edmonds " families started. I think in doing so I think it will assist " Edmonds" of both families , through out the world to stop mixing up / mistakes in their family ancestry . We must understand that from about 1400 BC. we were in the same tribal connections in the same area in " Europe " To assist us we need to give the two " Edmonds " families who seperated back in BC - two different Identies !!! I will call our own " Edmonds " family that arrived in Kerikeri > NZ ( Re John Samuel Edmonds " ) " the English Family " and the other " The American Family " who arrived in Christchurch .NZ - even though both started from - Great Britian originally . I will now take the time frame of " sixth ( 6th ) to eighth ( 8 th ) centuries BC . We were part of three ( 3 ) huge nomad tribes that had settled in an area Approximately 1000 kilometers Long in europe. Our tribal family name at that point & time was " Edmul "
Our main base was a village Named " Hallstat " A lakeside village in Austria . Our extended tribe were living , Hunting , farming ., fighting in an area from " Champagne-Ardene ( France ) in the west
to the upper northern Rhine , upper Danube & northern Switzerland . The village " Hallstat " was where our leaders got together , made the decisions etc . The next time frame is when our personal tribe split in two . Till we meet again - regards - edmondsallan


Charles Hans Forck
Possibly Charles Hans Vogt or Peter Tapsell

Arrived: 1830
Country of origin: Sweden
Area in New Zealand: Maketu Bay of Plenty
Source: NLA Australian Newspapers

Details: Sydney Herald 1st June 1837 (Article: Sketches of New Zealand)
I remember one stupid Dutchman or Swede, who although a sailor himself, was invariably gulled by this kind of blarney, his name was Charles Hans Forck (sic) and he was residing at Makatu (sic) in the Bay of Plenty in the years 1830 to 1837 and he imagined himself to be white king of the East Coast

Till we meet again - Regards - edmondsallan

1 comment(s), latest 5 years, 5 months ago

" G-E-E-ERONIM-O-O-O ! ! ! ! "

Good morning to all members . Every one seems to be hard at finding their ancestry and assisting . I thought a story or two may enlighten the day

Why do parachutists yell "Geronimo!" when jumping from an airplane?
January 23, 1998

Being a Native American, I was wondering why people and cartoon characters yell "Geronimo!" when they parachute from an airplane. To the best of my knowledge Geronimo never skydived.

Michael, southeast Texas


The other day a guy asks me why I love the Internet. Two reasons, I told him. First, you can come up with the definitive answer to seemingly inscrutable questions like this one in three days max. Second, the BS answers from the goofballs in the newsgroups are a riot. Example: Paratroopers yell "Geronimo!" because it beats screaming "Mommmyyyy!"

As it turns out, this isn't far from the real answer. The custom of yelling "Geronimo!" is attributed to Aubrey Eberhardt, a member of the U.S. Army's parachute "test platoon" that demonstrated the feasibility of parachute troop drops at Fort Benning, Georgia, in 1940. To speed up the drops, the brass decided to try a mass jump, in which the chutists would jump from the plane in quick succession. The men were nervous about this, and to relieve the tension a group of them went to see a western at the post movie house the night before the jump. The movie featured the cavalry mixing it up with the famous Apache chief Geronimo. None of our sources said exactly what movie this was, but one supposes it was Geronimo (1939) with Andy Devine and Gene Lockhart.

After the movie the men went to the post beer garden to further calm their nerves, and after a few hours were feeling pretty courageous. Strolling back to camp, Private Eberhardt announced that he expected the next day's jump to be no different than any other. His friends immediately began to razz him, saying he'd be so scared he'd barely remember his name. This ticked off the six-foot-eight Eberhardt, who was known for his confidence and powers of concentration. According to Gerard M. Devlin, author of Paratrooper! (1979), he declared, "All right, dammit! I tell you jokers what I'm gonna do! To prove to you that I'm not scared out of my wits when I jump, I'm gonna yell `Geronimo' loud as hell when I go out that door tomorrow!"

Next morning half the platoon strapped on their chutes and boarded planes while the other half sat by the edge of the jump field to watch the drop. By now everyone had heard about Eberhardt's promise. The lead plane flew over the field at low altitude and the men began spilling out as planned. As the chutes popped open, the guys on the ground could clearly hear a shout of "Geronimo!" followed by an Indian war whoop. Eberhardt had made good on his boast and the unofficial yell of U.S. airborne troops had been born.

Some people claim that jumpers yell "Geronimo!" because if their main chute hasn't opened by the time they're done, they know it's time to deploy the reserve chute. Not true. Official U.S. Army practice is to count out loud "one thousand, two thousand, three thousand, four thousand" (or higher, depending on the type of aircraft). If you're still dropping like a rock after that, deploying your reserve chute is strongly advised. Regardless of what you say, yelling on exit is a good way to calm the jitters and stay focused on what you're supposed to do.

My assistant Jane, always pondering the big picture, wonders if the course of history might have been different had Eberhardt and his friends seen a movie other than Geronimo before the big jump. Another notable 1939 release was The Wizard of Oz. Would the enemy have quaked with terror had jumping U.S. paratroopers shouted, "And Toto toooooooo"? Thinking the same thought, one Usenet wag inquired, what if they'd seen Rocky? Jumpers everywhere today might be shouting, "Adriiiiaaaan!" For that matter, what about The Terminator? Think of the loss of credibility if they shouted, "I'll be baaaaack!"

I can imagine that -Ha ha - Till we meet again -Regards -edmondsallan

2 comment(s), latest 5 years, 6 months ago

" HANK WILLIAMS " Georgiana - Alabama- USA- 1923

Come on folks lets get a huggin and a jy-ffin and sing along with this great country artist . I must be getting old . I can remember my " gran " loving this guy and his singing a-a-a-all those years ago !!!
That reminds me , where did I put his long playing records ?????
I reckon its time to blow some dust off !! - you would think that - no not me -the records !!! CYA

Hank Williams
Country/Western, Mount Olive

Born on September 17, 1923 in Georgiana, Alabama, Hiram "Hank" Williams was a superstar by the age of 25. He began playing guitar at the age of 8, receiving lessons from a local blues singer, Rufus Payne. In his early teens, Williams, inspired by gospel and country music, especially Ernest Tubb and Roy Acuff, began singing in Georgiana and Greenville. After Williams' father abandoned the family, his mother Lilly moved them to Montgomery in 1937. Williams formed the Drifting Cowboys in 1941, and landed a gig with local radio station WSFA.

In 1946, Williams went to Nashville to meet Fred Rose, co-head of Acuff-Rose Publishing. Rose took Williams into the studio to record Never Again (1946) and Honky Tonkin' (1947). The success of the singles won Williams a contract with MGM Records in 1947, and Rose came on board as his manager and producer. Williams next single, Move It Over (1947), climbed into the country Top Five; he followed it with I'm a Long Gone Daddy which peaked in the Top Ten. Williams, accompanied by his band the Drifting Cowboys, joined with the Louisiana Hayride for their tours and radio programs.

Williams next release, Lovesick Blues, was released in the spring of 1949. Spending 16 weeks at number one on the country chart and crossing over into the pop Top 25, Lovesick Blues propelled Williams to the Grand Ole Opry and stardom. The success of his Opry debut on June 11, 1949, still one of the most talked- about debut appearances, made him a regular. That year, 1949, was a good year for Williams; four additional singles hit the Top Five - Wedding Bells, Mind Your Own Business, You're Gonna Change (Or I'm Gonna Leave), and My Bucket's Got a Hole in It. The hits kept coming in 1950 and 1951; Williams produced numerous number one country records, including Long Gone Lonesome Blues, Why Don't You Love Me, Moanin' the Blues, Dear John, and Cold Cold Heart.

More Top Ten hits followed in 1952: Half As Much, Jambalaya, Settin' the Woods on Fire, You Win Again, and I'll Never Get Out of This World Alive. Williams' popularity crossed boundaries, and he found himself appearing on the Perry Como television show and touring with Bob Hope, Jack Benny, and Minnie Pearl during his career. His songwriting talents and his ardent lyrics affected audiences, impacted popular music and transformed country music for all time. Considered the father of modern country, Williams' influence continued to be felt long after he stopped performing.

While Williams' career was booming, his personal life was unstable. He had married Audrey Mae Sheppard, a farmgirl from Banks, Alabama, in 1944; their son, Randall Hank, was born in 1949. The marriage was rocky, complicated by Williams drinking and, in 1951, a prescription drug addiction. As Williams' popularity and fame grew, so too did his drinking and recklessness. In 1952, Williams and Audrey separated; the same year he was asked to leave the Grand Ole Opry. Williams continued to perform, but his excessive drinking drove away many of his band members and some of his fans.

A second marriage, to 19-year old Billie Jean Eshlimar, was overshadowed by a paternity agreement Williams signed with another girlfriend, Bobbie Jett. The combination of drinking and drugs finally took Williams life on January 1, 1953. Headed to a New Year's Eve concert in Canton, Ohio, Williams overdosed on morphine and whisky in the back seat of a chauffeured Cadillac. He was 29. Bobbie Jett gave birth to Williams' daughter three days after his funeral.

The 1953 releases of Your Cheatin' Heart, Kaw-Liga, and Take These Chains from My Heart provided Williams with posthumous hits. In 1961, he was one of the first inductees to the Country Music Hall of Fame and later was inducted into the Alabama Music Hall of Fame. Both Williams' children have pursued careers in music.
source: famous people Alabama

Till we meet again -Regards - edmondsallan

1 comment(s), latest 5 years, 4 months ago


edmondsallan . Good morning - what a scorcher of a day . Up in the bottle brush a tui, is squawking his head off, at a male & female Wild ducks eating the bread scraps we put out for the birds on the front lawn . About 5 metres from the road - OOOOP's !! " Thee cat " has just taken up her favourite spot , by the computer . She just now has seen the ducks & birds eating together. Just a minute readers . while talk to her .
" If you touch those ducks or birds , I'll tie a stone around your neck and tie you to the sofa !!!! " thats done it , now licking herself as if she has done nothing wrong . Arn't cats cunning .

I thought we could go further back into some of our distant related family. What date are these pages ? 1834 - No lets go back further in my find / research folder . 1820 - No . December 1814 yes siree . that will do . Hit the keys "Eddie " and away we go .

WE are distantly related to three of our very early northland settlers who made their homes in the Bay of Islands in 1814. They are as follows ; Hansens , Kings , Kendalls. At one stage all three of these families were part of the CMS & Samuel Marsden . Their is quite a lot of Historical documents , books , Monuments on these families . The " Hansens " even Donated 500 small printed books to the Bay of Island schools on their historical ancestory . In my research I failed to find any that have survived . I still think their must be some still left , hidden in a draw somewhere. My own research could cross over or be part of the documntation you may already know . I have no way of knowing that . Therefore I will put into the Journals nearly all . To many it may help to gain more knowledge of the family ancestry . To others, who may already have some knowledge on these families , it could just refresh your memories . How are we related ? all the family . the line is as follows = John Samuel edmonds ( our original ancester ) Samuel - eldest son - Arthur Milsom Edmonds ( samuel's 10th child m Ada Ellen Cross . Stephanie Cross is related to Arthur's wife Ada - , and she married a " Robert Hansen " . Once again . we show ourselves as inte-related to each other . Pakeha to the Maori side connected by Arthur Edmonds , Samuel's Brother .
OK , I'll stop their and come back shortly - regards - edmondsallan

1 comment(s), latest 5 years, 11 months ago