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By some fluke, when I was researching the reason for Gomms Rd being north of Eramosa Rd, rather than on "Glenhoya", I found the Frankston parish map online. Luckily I superimposed the Gomm and Firth grants on my Melway maps in SUPERPAGES (and the nearby Baxter, Sage, Sumner etc grants) because subsequent attempts to find the map failed.
Before I detail the maps available online, I will tell you how I manage to superimpose crown allotment boundaries on Melway and warn you about the Melway maps on Superpages. Having found the Frankston parish map again last night ( because I remembered that the word PARISH did not appear on it but COUNTY OF MORNINGTON did), I was excited to find that the grants of McMahon, Carr and Liardet adjoined each other.They all had eastern boundaries of 4000 links so it was going to be easy to find out the dividing boundaries; Skye Rd and Beach St-Cranbourne Rd were exactly a mile apart.But when I put my ruler on the map in SuperPages, it told me that the roads were 1400 metres apart. So I tried it in Melway and found that they were actually 1620 metres apart. This showed that (a)the SuperPages maps are only seven eighths of the scale of Melway maps; (b) the surveyors were a chain (cricket pitch) out in their measurements or one of the roads has been re-aligned further away from the other.
A mile equals 80 chains or 8000 links. Sharps Rd, Tullamarine, west of Broadmeadows Rd, (the south boundary of Section 3 Tullamarine)was 8000 links. When I decided to transpose the parish map onto Melway, I imagined complicated calculations on a calculator being the order of the day. But when I measured this distance on my ruler,it was exactly 8 centimetres. As the scale is one millimetre to a chain (20 metres), it is fairly easy to plot boundaries and accurately describe road frontages (if measurements are given on parish maps!)
If you happen to google FRANKSTON PARISH MAPS, you will find (a)four 320 acre crown allotments east of Frankston Village with description of the land; (b) two village maps that seem to be almost identical and name many grantees; and (c), after THE WELLS STORY and ST PAUL'S ANGLICAN CHURCH, a map showing crown allotments in the parishes of Frankston and Moorooduc. The last map (1854) shows only one grantee, Yuille,who seems to have preferred his grant over the homestead block (Pre-emptive Right)of Ballanrong, which was granted to T.J.Sumner two years later. This map shows how Old Mornington Rd led to the Three Chain (Moorooduc) road via Mt Eliza Way and Wooralla Drive. It also shows fences and other features as well as how the government roads followed old tracks with a few modifications.
If you want a map, with grantees,measurements etc. that will show where your pioneering ancestor was granted land, you need to google:
FRANKSTON,COUNTY OF MORNINGTON.
The maps are there waiting for you. Go to it, Frankston "diggers".
Would you believe it? This journal was to be about ROSEBUD:FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA and now I can't find it. However, while I stumble around trying to find it again,here's something to go on with.
Early days in Rosebud, Victoria | steveburnham.net
The T-Model Ford was owned by Bert White (I think, I'll check), and the tree had grown over the road, been blown over a little more as far as it would go as a ...
Life in Rosebud in the early years | steveburnham.net
By Owen Vincent (Vin) Burnham. When I was quite young (about seven, early 1920s) the Nepean Highway was a gravel and dirt road right up to Frankston from ...
In the latter, Vin is confused regarding Judith Durham. The house was a timber one on the west side of Durham Place midway between the highway and the beach according to Judith who spent her first six summers there before her family moved to Tasmania. The Mr Durham mentioned was Tony Durham, Judith's grandfather. Tony was the child of his mother,Emily (nee King)and a Greek fisherman, whose surname is unclear. After his death, Emily married Mr Durham whose surname was adopted by Tony. His daughter married William Alexander Cock and in July 1943 Judith was born (Judith Mavis Cock) in Essendon while her father was earning his D.F.C.in the war. Her great grand-mother,Emily, was the sister of Elizabeth who married Forti Lacco,original grantee in the fishing village on the very block on which Emily's house stood,and patriarch of the famous wooden-boat building family.
I mentioned Chatfield's hut on the foreshore at Rosebud West in my journal about Rosebud Ted finding James George dead. When Chatfield turned to store-keeping, Axel Vincenttook over his foreshore hut and presumably his boat and gear.
Finally found it. Google: <vp1414.pdf>. Then click on "View a 9.6 MB pdf file of the pamphlet."
My aim in this journal, covering the area north of Eastbourne Rd,is four-fold.
1. To outline the squatting era,the parish and grantees and explain why the population was so small.
2. To deal page by page with any errors in ROSEBUD: FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA and provide extra detail.
3. To deal page by page with any errors in Vin Burnham's history and provide extra detail.
4. To describe detail in a map drawn by an unknown pioneer of residents in the fishing village and across the road.
Wannaeue is the name of the parish bounded by Burrell Rd in Dromana (*which you won't find on Melway), Mornington-Flinders Rd and part of Main Creek, Limestone Rd and Weeroona St/Government Rd in Rye and the Port Phillip Bay coast. Fingal was to the south, Nepean to the west, and to the east Kangerong and Balnarring separated by Arthurs Seat/Red Hill Rds.
*Burrell Rd is shown on the Dromana Township map as its western boundary between the Esplanade (as the beach road was named in Dromana,Rosebud and Rye) and the north-south section of Latrobe Pde.
As the Sullivan's Bay settlement near Sorrento was in the parish of Nepean, and Matthew Flinders and his nephew (later Sir John Franklin) were in Kangerong when they used Arthurs Seat to survey the bay, it is probable that the first white men to set foot in Wannaeue were sealers. Hollinshead mentions that an early explorer (Captain Murray in 1803?) found huts near the mouth of Chinaman's Creek (which at that time and until Ned Williams dug the channel was opposite the Rosebud Hospital site.) William Buckley's trek around the bay probably came after the sealers had killed off the seals and abducted many Boon-wurrung women whom they took to Tassie;this is why most Boon-wurrung descendants come from Tassie.
After John Batman had made his one-sided treaty to obtain a huge area north and west of the bay for the Port Phillip Association, he boasted in John Pascoe Fawkner's Cornwall Hotel in Launceston that he was the greatest landowner in the world. (THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER by C.P.Billot.) Fawkner may have already hatched plans for his own invasion but you could imagine how this spurred him into action. He immediately chartered a vessel but unfortunately it had to finish a previous charter. Eventually Fawkner and his party boarded the Enterprize but the Master refused to take Fawkner,who was put ashore in Queens Town to settle his financial affairs. Fawkner later gave sea-sickness as the reason he went ashore!
Captain Lancey was put in charge of the party which included Evans who established Emu Bottom near Sunbury. He was given instructions to try Westernport first but was unimpressed and entered the bay. A 1935 article,based on Lancey's diary gives exact dates for this and other incidents as they sailed up the bay and can be retrieved from my DROMANA ROSEBUD AND MILES AROUND ON TROVE if requested. The party landed near Rosebud but was also unimpressed by their walkabout.
Wannaeue included three squatting runs and possibly five. The Boniyong Run included part of the parish of Fingal,Tootgarook was in the area now carrying the name, Arthurs Seat probably included the parish of Kangerong (except for Jamieson's Special Survey), Wooloowoolooboolook was probably between Old Cape Schanck Rd and Boneo Rd and Captain Henry Everest Adams may have had a 750 acres Run adjoining the Arthurs Seat Run at Adams Creek (The Avenue) and extending south to Hove Rd. (Postscript 2017. This claim in the family folklore is probably wrong.He may have had a licence from the N.S.W. Government to occupy the proposed site of Wannaeue Village, crown allotment 20 Wannaeue between The Avenue and the line of Parkmore Rd until demand would result in good prices from its alienation.)
In 1843, Owen Cain established Tyrone west of Rye, and soon after, his four and a half year old daughter, Sarah, went missing for four days and nights.She heard searchers calling but didn't answer because she feared that the sounds came from aborigines. Near dead she was taken to George Smith's Wooloowoolooboolook Station where Mrs Smith (related to Captain Hobson of the Rattlesnake,according to Spencer Jackson in BEAUTIFUL DROMANA)nursed her back to health. (Postscript 2017. In I SUCCEEDED ONCE, Marie Hansen Fels insists that Wooloowooolooboolook (young McCrae's spelling)was not a run.Smith took over Hobson's run in about 1843 and called it Tootgarook and it was the humble homestead of this run that was referred to as Wooloowoolooboolook. The homestead was called Broomielaw by James Purves (son of Peter and nephew of the ABSENT leaseholder, James, who bought the pre-emptive right.)
The date of Captain Henry Everest Adams' arrival at Adams'Corner (Wattle Place) is shrouded in mystery. The amazing thing is that Adams' folklore mentions a 750 acre property (which is wrongly called a grant.) It was supposed to have been given to him as a reward for carrying convicts. Victoria prides itself on not having been a convict colony and turned away the Pentonvillians but I know when convicts were imported. It's all on trove! In about 1841 there was a severe labour shortage and the authorities imported ticket of leave men from Van Dieman's Land until the Bounty passengers from England ( such as Oliver and Sarah Wilson, subjects of one of my journals)started to arrive.
The Dromana Pioneer Pathway plaque states that the Captain arrived in 1845 but later the Dromana Historical Society decided he had beached his ship in the area about five years earlier. The home he built with the ship's timbers was on the site of the McCrae Car wash. This was on crown allotment 20 Wannaeue, between The Avenue and Parkmore Rd and South to Cape Schanck Rd (the freeway)which was not available for selection in the 1850's and was sold as the Village of Wannaeue in about 1877.
Next paragraph in comment 1.(Purves,Barker, Burrell.)
When the land in Wannaeue was made available for selection, crown allotment 19, between Parkmore Rd and Adams Avenue, was selected by Isaac White. It is not clear which Isaac White this was but it could have been the following:
On the 33rd inst., suddenly, at Prahran, of apoplexy, Mr. Isaac White, aged 58 years. Friends please to ac-
cept this notice. (P.4, Argus, 25-7-1854.)
In the first Kangerong Road Board assessment of 3-9-1864,Henry Everest Adams was rated on a seven roomed house and 91 acres (N.A.V. 30 pounds) but the NAV was unchanged on 5-9-1865 when the assessment included 191 acres (Isaac White's grant.)
Crown allotment 18, between Adams Avenue and Jetty Rd, and consisting of 152 acres 2 roods and 16 perches, was granted to G.H.Warren. Between Jetty Rd and the line of Norm Clark Walk was c/a 17 of 129 acres 2 roods and 28 perches, granted to R.Glover and J.Wallace on 16-5-1856. Between there and about Fifth Avenue was c/a 16 of 115 acres, granted to H.Stratford and J.Ridgway on 13-6-1856. Crown allotment 15, of 101 acres 1 rood and 8 perches extending west to First Avenue,was granted to R.M.Owens on 13-6-1856. Crown allotment 14 of 116 acres 3 roods and 38 perches was granted to Hugh Glass.
All of the allotments mentioned (17-14) extended south to the government road (Eastbourne Rd.) Hugh Glass probably bought c/a 14, between First Avenue and Boneo Rd, as a holding paddock for stock being driven to Melbourne COMMENT 2.
If you happen to find an early photo of post office, Rosebud, it will probably show the Roberts/Brady/McConchie post office at front left (near the present Peebles store site) with the Rudduck store, then a general store about 75 yards away (according to Peter Wilson.) This photo would have been taken before 1920 when William C. Twyford transferred the post office to the Rudduck store. In 1923 the new post office was burnt down and rebuilt with a longer frontage,which was purchased in the same year by Edwin James Wheeler, the new postmaster. Wheeler conducted the post office in number 1045, selling the other shops, numbers 1039-1043 to Stephens in 1929 and in 1937 transferred the post office to a new building at 1047, now the Ninth Avenue Cafe.
While the Roberts and Rudduck stores were very early stores, they were far from the first.
The "Rosebud" was beached in May 1855 according to a report of the Purves v Smyth insurance case in 1855 and the wreck may have been driven farther to the location of the cairn by June 2, the date on the cairn. The first land offered for subdivisional blocks, on crown allotment 20 Wannaeue between Adams Creek (The Avenue) and the line of Parkmore Rd was described as being at Rosebud.
County of Mornington, parish of Wannaeue, at Rosebud, adjoining Burrell's pre emptive section, on Port Phillip Bay. Upset price. £8 per acre. Allotments 1 to 23. 2 roods to la. Sr. 30p. (P.3, Argus, 14-4-1870.)
The land didn't sell well and was described as being in the Village of Wannaeue later in the 1870's. Locals didn't call the area Rosebud, but "The Rosebud" and continued doing so until about 1920 according to the late Ray Cairns who as a boy looked forward to the excursions to Martin's Corner and the beach near "The Rosebud" (despite all visible signs of the wreck having been removed by the locals in the 1890's according to an account in an article in Mick Dark's collection if I remember correctly.)
The majority of Rosebud residents were fishermen and paid no rates to the Kangerong Road Board. In 1873-4 they did so for the first time. Those who previously held a crown lease on their blocks under the terms of their fisherman's licences seem to have been given the opportunity to buy these blocks in the Rosebud Fishing Village in August 1872 without competition (like a pre-emptive right.) But before then a poundkeeper near Cliffords Rd at Somerton had bought crown allotment 18 Wannaeue,152 acres between Adams Avenue and Jetty Rd and tried to sell it in lots of about 2 acres. He only sold lot 86, 2 acres on the FJ's corner, in 1871 (1), to Jack Jones one of the fishermen on the foreshore.
(1) Lake v Jones; sketch of title on memorial in Harvey Marshall's scrapbook documenting a loan of 128 pounds given to William Edwards by Captain Henry Everest Adams in 1878 showing that lot 86 was on the east corner of Jetty and Pt Nepean Rds extending south to about Morgan St.
Jack Jones bought c/a 6 of the fishing village (now 854 and 856 Pt Nepean Rd)on 11-8-1872 and Daniel Coyle bought c/a 10 (immediately west of the Banksia Point complex now being built) on 16-8-1872, most other fisherman buying their blocks at about that time.
THE FIRST STOREKEEPER.
Daniel Coyle has never been mentioned in Rosebud histories except for the above details in ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD with a quote from Isabel Moresby's ROSEBUD FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA about Granny Coyle of saintly character running a lolly shop. Jack Jones is said to have run a store in an upturned boat on c/a 6 and Ethel Fountain's memoirs and her sister's EARLY ROSEBUD map both mention his store on c/a 6 being burnt down. You'd put your money on Jack being the first storekeeper wouldn't you? I did!
Rate records were pathetic in regard to their legibility on the microfiche, the lack of detail about occupiers, owners and description of properties and even the year of assessment and names of ridings. I learnt to identify the ridings by the names of ratepayers and their number of acres! However, year by year research on certain ratepayers, on top of transcriptions of all Kangerong and Wannaeue assessments in 1864, 1879, 1900, 1910 and 1919 has allowed me to answer many questions. The jigsaw pieces fit very neatly together!
In 1873-4, DANIEL COYLE was assessed on 1 allotment and 3 roomed house, Rosebud, N.A.V. 6 pounds, as he was in 1874-5. In 1875-6he was assessed on the same property but he was described as a storekeeper and the net annual value increased to 7 pounds. The same details continued until 1882-3 when his name was recorded but the rates were paid in December 1882 by ? White who turned out later to be Thomas White, cutler. Daniel and Granny Coyle had moved to Mordialloc where they seem to have lived out their days. Was it at that time that Jack Jones decided to commence a store in an upturned boat?
From 14-9-1877 to 30-7-1881, Jack Jones, fisherman was assessed on one allotment, Rosebud, N.A.V. 5 pounds. By 29-7-1882, Jack was described as a storekeeperand was assessed on TWO allotments and buildings, N.A.V.8 pounds. Have you realised something? The judge in Lake v Jones (or the reporter) got it wrong or the rate collector took a decade to wake up that Jack Jones had bought lot 86 crown allotment 18 Wannaeue in 1871. The block had definitely been sold by Charles Blakley before 1878 as shown by the aforementioned loan memorial.
In view of the fact that a rate collector took a decade to realise that Cr James Little Brown was not "John Brown", and the lack of thoroughness mentioned above (which caused Cr Terry's resignation as detailed in my Shire of Flinders journal), my money is on the rate collector being a decade behind reality. Besides, if Jack had bought lot 86 in 1881, he would have bought it from Blooming Bob White, completely at odds with the report of the trial. Read the court report re Jack buying his 2 acres on c/a 18 Wannaeue and building his new store in 1883-4, at which time the store (no longer an upturned boat)on c/a 6 must have been a pile of ashes.
" During the negotiations for purchase of land, Mr Jones who by this time was old and trembling, told my father that his original store was built on "The Pines" site, but was burnt down and he transferred his business to Jetty Rd corner, as he considered it more central opposite the jetty." Ethel Fountain.
LAW REPORT. SUPREME COURT. EQUITY COURT. FRIDAY, SEPT. 13. (Before His Honour Mr. Justice A'Beckett.) LAKE V. JONES.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 18 September 1889 p 11 Article
So far we have (1)Daniel Coyle 1875-1882. (2) Jack Jones 1882-1910+ but there was another storekeeper before 1900 whom the rate collector called Loui.
Louis Anderson was Rosebud's post master 1890-1897 during which time he was assessed on 1 lot and buildings, Wannaeue. In 1897-8 his name was crossed out and replaced by that of John Roberts, occupant of lots 41 and 42 crown allotment 17 Wannaeue, owned now by Mrs Roberts of Napier St, Ballarat, who was probably still packing belongings and farewelling friends. C/a 17 was between Jetty Rd and Norm Clark Walk/Ninth Avenue house blocks south to Eastbourne Rd. Lots 41-2 and the Roberts/Brady/ McConchie post office have been established as being near the present Peeble store, thus indicating the rough location of Louis Anderson's store. Hence we are back to the start of the journal. Louis Anderson did the first recorded fish run to the Mornington railhead, obviously before Jimmy the Squid Williams of Eastbourne.
I wrote the following as a post on the HISTORY OF DROMANA TO PORTSEA Facebook group page. Send me a F.T.C. private message if you need information referred to as being in other posts.
EARLY ROSEBUD SUBDIVIDERS NEAR JETTY ROAD.
The subdivision bounded by Pt Nepean Rd, Parkmore Rd, South Rd and Adams Ave. has been mentioned before in relation to the Adams family and will not be dealt with here. This post arises from two chance discoveries. The first is testimony given by Mrs De Garis after her husband faked his first suicide and the second is W.F.Vale's sale of the unsold portions of Woolcott's estate, which I have been trying to find for ages.
Charles Blakey had bought crown allotment 18 between the line of Adams Avenue and Jetty Rd prior to 1875 and tried to subdivide the 152 acres but only sold the 2 acre lot 86 on the FJ's corner. Bullocky Bob White knew about this when he bought his 150 acres but the purchase of the corner block was not registered in the titles office. This led to the Lake brothers trying to eject Jack Jones circa 1890, which has been mentioned before. The Bamfords and the Pottons later owned the farm about which Peter Wilson wrote a chapter called Henry Potton's Farm in ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD. He included much detail about De Garis but the chance discovery provides information given by his distraught wife (nee Austin) not found in Peter's book or other articles.
SEARCH FOR MR DE GARIS Wile's Statement MEETING OF COMMITTEEMEN MELBOURNE, Jan. 6.
Geelong Advertiser (Vic. : 1859 - 1926) Wednesday 7 January 1925 p 5 Article
Woolcott apparently subdivided crown allotment 17, the land between Jetty Rd. and the line of Norm Clark Walk, in about 1877. George and Susan Peatey bought lot 76 of just over 2 acres in 1878 with a loan from Nelson Rudduck and occupied it 10 years later when they paid off the loan.
By 1900 the Commercial Bank had 84 of the 129 acres and in 1910, Henry Bucher 4 lots, Annie Eliza Cairns lots 29-32, Rosebud Ted Cairns lots 49-54 which he'd just sold to Alf Hansen (*sic) and lot 74, Henry George Chapman 2 lots, the Coburns lots 57-60, Alf Hansen (sic) lots 23, 24, 75, 77, 79, John McConchie lots 37-40, Robert Cairns lots 5 and 6, Mrs Susan Peatey lot 76, Mary B.Stone (a.k.a. Polly Vine) lots 25-28 and Vale** 84 acres. John Fallow had lot 80, and Mrs J.Spensley 4 lots.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 9 January 1909 p 21 Advertising
(*The early Rosebud map notes that Alf Hansen (sic) built the first shop on the Clacton-on-Sea Estate as a land sales office. Alf (1884-1960) was the fifth child of Hans Christian Hanson and Ellen (nee Olson) from Norway who owned "Alpine Chalet" at the north end of Tucks Rd from about 1887. Alf married Frances Ada Elizabeth Purves, a descendant of the real Tootgarook pioneering Purves. MEMORIES OF A LARRIKIN is the biography of his son Hec,, written by Petronella Wilson.)
(**The Vale family had been involved in Peninsula affairs since the 1850's when a letter was written about the splendid opportunities offered in the parish of Moorooduc near Schnapper Point.
ORIGINAL CORRESPONDENCE. MT ELIZA AND SNAPPER'S POINT.
P. 7, Argus, 27-12-1855.
Vale bought much land in Mornington, hence Vale St, and later owned Dalkeith near the Mornington turn off. This passed to his daughter Phyllis, Mrs Jackson, who also owned the Boniyong Stud south of the junction of Jetty and Browns Rd, the subject of another post.)
FAIRFAX COLLECTION OF GLASS PLATE NEGATIVES.
I came across these in the National Library of Australia newsletter. You can access them by googling the words above (in upper case.) There are 20 photos per page and I have only included photos of people here. From first impressions the photos mainly concern N.S.W. (*Unless another place is specified in the summary,it can probably be assumed that the person was in N.S.W.and to save the time spent repeatedly typing N.S.W., I will not do so even if it is specified.)
IN ORDER OF APPEARANCE:
KILLONIS, HARTY, WALL, KELLY, KATER, KING, JAMES, HARVEY, O'BRIEN(X2), MESSENGER, GOODSIN?, STANLEY, FERRIER, LETHERSLEY, HAMMOND, MOONEY, MALONEY, FAIRFAX, WEARNE, BROMLEY, WHITFIELD, WOOD, FOX, JACKSON, HATFIELD, DENISON, WALDOCK,(27)
American wrestler, John Killonis 1927; Conductor, Sir Hamilton Harty, 1934; Cricketer, Tim Wall, 1933; Archbishop Michael Kelly, 1920; Sir Norman Kater, 1932; Rugby Union player, Syd King, 1930; Rosemary James with dog, Cobbity, 1936; Frank Harvey 1936; Athlete, F.W.O'Brien, 1931.
Fisherman,Charlie Messenger, 1930; Mrs Agnes(Goodsin?)on ship, 1925; Miss Preston Stanley 1933; Aust. golfer, J.Ferrier, 1934;Tennis player, Lethersley, 1930; Rev. Canon R.B.Hammond 1929.
Senator P.F.Mooney 1931; Dr William Robert Maloney 1930; Mr and Mrs W.Fairfax 1928, Sprinter, Eileen Wearne (x2), 1932; Victorian cricketer, Mr Bromley, 1933; Cricketer, E.P.Whitfield, 1933; Prof.G.L.Wood 1933.
Mr Fox and man 1925; Cricketer, Archie Jackson, 1933; Athlete, F.W.O'Brien again, 1931; Writer, William Hatfield in Darwin, 1931; Sir Hugh Denison, 1920; Dr Arthur John Waldock,Canberra,1944.
TO BE CONTINUED IN PART 3.