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My wife is always complaining that I spend so much time dealing with dead people so here's a live, and lively one for a change. I was waiting for Chris Fatouris to finish a song so I could buy the CD of songs he has written. A few months ago, I had bought this world -class singer/guitarist's other CD and Mornington is fortunate to have him at its famed Main St market.
I noticed a man in a captain's cap listening intently, so I commented, "Good, isn't he?" The reply echoed my opinion and as we chatted, I must have mentioned Graeme Bell of Melbourne jazz fame. His assessment that Chris was an excellent singer and an excellent guitarist carried so much more weight when I found out that he had played clarinet with Graeme Bell and most of the other greats of the Melbourne jazz scene, including Frank Trainor. He was obviously overseas in about 1960 when Judith Mavis Cock started singing with Frank's All Stars before becoming the lead singer for The Seekers.
"What's so facinating about playing in jazz bands?" you might be asking. But wait, there's more; no, not steak knives, silly! This same man was a well-known artist who associated with Arthur Boyd (subject of one of my journals), Sidney Nolan and even Picasso, about whom he told me an erectile disfunction story. As well as showing me some of his paintings, he demonstrated his skills as a ventriloquist and a magician. His stories about the Mexican bandito types in Mexico, the madamoiselle in Paris and the Mafia in Carlton were sprinked with faultless quotations in Spanish, French and Italian (with translations for silly me.)
These bursts into foreign languages completely dispelled any suspicions that this elderly man was romancing. But I really didn't entertain any doubts because of the raid- fire succession of stories. Anyone who has tried creative writing knows the agonies of determining plot, sequencing and so on and anyone who has been forced to make a speech without notes knows how difficult it is to remember what they had rehearsed. Some people might think that my journals are just made up but I can assure you that if I were making them up, the task would be 1000 times more difficult than reporting facts absorbed into my memory or noted previously.
He was a gymnast and was most impressed when I told him of the Gault girls at Gladstone Park Primary School who were the only ones able to reproduce the fully-extended horizontal hang from a pole. He gained free passage on his travels by joining the crew of a steamer, served as a diplomat which nearly saw his end in front of a firing squad in Egypt during the Suez crisis.
I believe him but it would be difficult to verify the above. However, he told me a bit about his family. His son, Paul Meldrum, played for Carlton. His father was an architect and employed a nanny for his children. His brother was Lord Mayor of Melbourne and snaffled his architect father's estate while the fascinating man was overseas. Oops, I think I might have given you a clue with the footballer's name. I thought I'd tease you a bit by not putting the fascinating man's name in the title. Okay, the surname is Meldrum but it's not Max, even though he was a famous artist, and it's not Mollie.
He's writing a book called "From One Damn Thing to Another" which sums up the above fairly well. I think it should come with an audio version so that the "flavour" I experienced can be shared. What a wonderful TV series could be made from this book if a multi-talented actor could be found for the role of James Meldrum .
The following can be checked on trove and art/architecture websites. James was an artist, winning an important prize at the age of 17, and featuring in exhibitions with many notable artists. James told me his other son was overseas; he might be the famed jazz clarinetist in Britain. James Meldrum's brother was Richard who followed the father's occupation as architect; the firm is still prominent. Richard's term as Mayor was marked by a return to tradition and the banning of cars in some parts of the city. James and Richard were the sons of Percival Meldrum, who designed many well-known buildings.
THIS TEXT ACCOMPANIES THE ATTACHED JAMES MELDRUM PAINTING ON THE WEBSITE "FEATURED ARTIST: JAMES MELDRUM".
NAME: James Meldrum
OVERVIEW: James Meldrums paintings were first shown in London, then at Kozminsky galleries in Melbourne 1953. His large, colourful, surrealistic canvases depicting non functional furniture have appeared in many exhibitions and won him the 1971 Sulman Prize. He held about 30 solo exhibitions 1951 2006 including in London, Sydney and Melbourne. Widely traveled, his commissions included a number of mural commissions for architectural firms in Melbourne and Brisbane.
N.B. Durham Place (Rosebud Fishing Village ) was named after Emily Durham, the grandmother of Judith Mavis Cock whose daughter married Bill Cock, a D.F.C. winner. Judith spent her summer holidays there until 1949 before Bill moved to Tasmania. Unfortunately the timber house in the middle of the block on the west side of Durham Place has been demolished. When she started singing with Frank Trainor's band Judith used her mother's maiden name.
ENTRY IN DHOTAMA.
James Pigdon was a man with a sense of humour. A tale related to me by the late Bob Blackwell appears under BLACKWELL in the B volume but I will give the gist of it here. Bobs grandfather, William, worked for Pigdon on Dunhelen and tended to have an ale or six at Lavars Hotel whenever he was passing the hotel, which was located at the s/w corner of Mickleham and Somerton Rds.(not at the n/e corner as wrongly shown in some maps.) Pigdon warned Blackwell not to stop at the hotel or he would be sacked. The latter could not resist the temptation so to disguise his state, he stood up on the dray as it bounced up the driveway to the bluestone homestead and loudly declared, Nobody can say Im drunk! James Pigdon laughed so much that his threat was never carried out.
Broadmeadows rate record of 1899-1900 shows that James C. Pigdon was leasing a house and 1000 acres from the Ham executors. The rate collector was obviously not acquainted with the late owner, Ferdinand Bond Brown Shortland Hann, who bought the Dunhelen estate of 2500 acres in 1885.
Dunhelen, whose historic house and stables still stand at 1240 Mickleham Rd., originally consisted of sections 11,12 and 13 of the parish of Yuroke, a total of just over 1980 acres, whose location is indicated by Melway 178, E/1-2 to 179, H/2-4. By Pigdons time, Dunhelen land west of Mickleham Rd. had been sold to the Crinnions (426 acres) and Michael Crotty (200 acres); this later became the Hall familys Kentucky. Pigdons leased 1000 acres was on the east side of Mickleham Rd.
Talk about being sidetracked. I was looking for more detail about John Bryan when I found this. The next advertisement was also of interest, so....
The Thoroughbred Stallion, Mornington For Service this Season at the Residence of the undersigned, in the Parish of Fingal, 9 Miles from - DROMANA. HE is a rich chestnut, 6 years old, stands 16 hands high, possesses a fine temper, very powerful and fast. His stock are very promising. Mornington is by Demonstrator, from Issle, by the Premier (imported). Demonstrator's dam, Vallonia (imported), by Woolwich, out of Florence Nightingale, by Cotherstone.- Her dam, Fanny Booth, by Gladiator, &c., (see Stud Book). Grand sire, Mathematician (imported), by Emilius, out of Maria, by Whisker, &c., (see Stud Book). TERMS :-2 10s. each mare, one in five allowed; 2 2s. for mares that visited Mornington last season. All Mares to be paid for on removal. Due notice will be given when mares are stinted. Every care taken of mares, but no responsibility. Good paddocks. 13ccd JAMES PURVES.
To STAND this Season at ALMOND -BUSH, SOMERVILLE The Thoroughbred Stallion, Moonbeam.
(P.4, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 5-12-1877.)
There were many horse breeders on the Mornington Peninsula such as George McLear at Dromana and Edward Gomm at Somerville near Gomms Rd.The owner of Almond Bush Stud at Somerville (at the north end of Almond Bush St, Melway 107 J10-11) was Alfred Jones who was born in England but went to Canada with his parents at the age of about 10. His biography was in VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS:PAST AND PRESENT (1888.) It told how he supplied firewood for a few years before farming at Baxter's Flat and then buying land at Somerville. It said that he took the wood to Frankston but it was actually Mt Eliza in the parish of Frankston. Many websites state that Canadian Bay was named after three Canadians but do not give their names.Mr Mann's history of Mt Eliza(in the local history room at the Rosebud Library)does name them:McCurley, Hodgins and Jones. The Liverpool anchored a mile offshore in Canadian Bay and the wood was rowed out to the ship. Jones Rd in Somerville was named after Alfred. Hodgins Rd was named after Charlotte and J.Hodgins, who were granted crown allotments 39B and 39A, parish of Bittern, 191 acres at the north west corner of Hodgins and Boes Rds(Melway 154 B-c 7-8.)
Boundary Road at Mr Eliza,part of the boundary between the parishes of Frankston and Moorooduc is now named Canadian Bay Rd because of Jones, Hodgins and McCurley.
Jones' Corner, the centre of the locality of Moorooduc is named after Edward Jones, a Welshman, whose family owned Spring Farm, Criccieth and Penbank (whose locations can be given if desired.) This family was not related to Alfred Jones. The Shepherds, prominent nurserymen at Somerville, were related to the Edward Jones family and later established a nursery on part of Penbank. David Shepherd suggested the site for the Penbank school.
WHICH JAMES PURVES?
The two men credited with having started the breeding of thoroughbreds in Victoria were James Purves and William Cross Yuille,the latter the author of the Stud Book. I was surprised to discover this as Hurtle Fisher and his brother, Charles B.Fisher (the father of the Australian Turf according to MARIBYRNONG:ACTION IN TRANQUILITY), had captured this distinction in my mind.
This James Purves died at Richmond on 12-6-1878. (P.1s, Launceston Examiner, 6-7-1878.) He owned Chinton, east of Mt Macedon and Tootgarook on the Mornington Peninsula. Neither is mentioned in this obituary but they were in other obituaries. James Purves had a brother named Peter but you'd never know it unless you read Hec Hanson's MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN. He was a mason and followed his architect brother to Van Diemans Land when his wife died shortly after giving birth to their first child, James. Leaving the baby in the care of a relative, the heartbroken Peter joined his brother and combining their skills they built many of Tasmania's early bridges.
James brought sheep to the Port Phillip District in 1837 but I'd bet it was Peter who looked after them; James always preferred the high life in Melbourne. They probably managed Edward Hobson's Tootgarook from the mid 1840's, while Hobson managed his brother's River of Little Fish (Traralgon) Run, and took over the lease of the Tootgarook Run in 1850. To illustrate my comment about James and the high life, he was involved in organising Melbourne first Sporting Carnival and it was Peter who with James Ford organised the dodgy petition in the late 1850's against the Government's plan to fence off the police paddock near the Heads from White Cliff to the back beach.
From 1852, James Purves lived on the Tootgarook pre-emptive right full time! A change of heart? No, this James Purves was Peter's son,born in 1835. He spent eight years with his father who died in March 1860. It must have been this James Purves who placed the advertisement and lived at Fingal. It must have been this James Purves who bought Green Hills on the west side of Purves Rd in Rosebud before the late 1880's. While the men were building the dairy etc at Green Hills, aborigines came to the Tootgarook homestead asking for water while James' daughters, Emily and Frances (aged about 11 and 5) were home alone.
Why was James still not living at Tootgarook? Possibly a disagreement with prominent lawyer, James Liddle Purves, the son of the architect and the new owner, who expected him to do all the work with little reward or appreciation, much the same reason that George Gomm left Glenhoya at Somerville because of his brother Billy's lack of contribution.
And where was James Purves' residence at Fingal? It was a 514 acre property granted to James Purves on 10-5-1860. Had James moved away from Tootgarook soon after Peter's death? It consisted of crown allotments 1,2, and 3 of section A of the parish of Fingal, bounded by Limestone, Truemans and Sandy Rds(Melway 251-2) with the south east corner of The Dunes being its north west corner.
This journal results from an overlong aside in my SHIRE OF FLINDERS journal about non-councillors who were involved in a meeting about the Flinders and Kangerong Farmers' Union. As not much seems to have been written about the Boag family genealogy, I took the opportunity to add some information but as the Shire of Flinders journal is primarily about council matters and details about the councillors, I thought it best to paste the present information here (where I can add more) and leave only a summary, directing Boag researchers to this journal.
James Robertson Boag owned or leased much land in the parish of Fingal and established a dairy and guest house, "Melrose" at Dromana. While at Fingal, James probably supplemented his income with some fishing, which would account for the naming of Boag Rocks (Melway 252 B11.) Robert Quinan,Dromana schoolteacher, was living at Melrose, when he committed suicide. To earn extra income he did book-keeping for the shire and finding the figures didn't balance, tried to borrow money from Richard Watkin, who owned the Dromana Hotel.The request was refused and he could not face the shame of incompetence, being an acclaimed teacher as demonstrated by the 1861 petition.It was at Boag's that George McLear first met his beautiful future wife. See A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. James Boag's farm was on crown allotment of section 1 Kangerong, consisting of 88 acres and he was assessed on it in the first Kangerong Road Board rate record of 1864. James Edward Boag was in occupation in 1910 and Melrose continued as a dairy after the Boags sold it, the last operators being the Turners. The Turner Estate, west of the Monaco Estate, has streets named after plants, the end of Heath Rd indicating the western boundary.
As Colin McLear had no genealogical detail on the Boag family, I have included the following seemingly mystifying snippet.
WAINWRIGHT.On 2nd August, at the residence of his parents. 15 Horace-street, Quarry Hill, Bendigo. William, twin son of H. M. and A. R Wainwright. grandson of Mrs. B. T. Boag, Dromana, and Mrs. W. Allison., Footscray, aged 17 months.(P.6, Bendigo Advertiser, 5-8-1914.)
Catherine Wainwright's husband had died while they were running the Arthur's Seat Hotel, between Permien and Foote Sts in Dromana. In about 1887-8, she married William Allison but H.M.Wainwright was her son. He obviously married a Boag girl.
A very pretty wedding was celebrated on Tuesday afternoon at the Dromana Presbyterian Church, when Miss Annette Ross Boag, ,eldest daughter of Mrs Boag, of " Melrose," Dromana, was united in the matrimonial bonds to Mr H. W. Wainwright, of Western Australia. A full report of the interesting event is to hand, and will be published next week: (P.5, Mornington Standard, 25-3-1905.) Annette's pet name seems to have been Meta.
The marriage of H. M. Wainwright, of this city, and Meta Boag, of Melrose, Dromana. Victoria, will be cele-
brated in tho Presbyterian Church, Dromana, on March 21.(P.9, The Daily News, Perth, 27-2-1905.)
BOAG. On the 17th August, at his residence,"Melrose," Dromana, James Robertson Boag,late of Milnathort, Kinross-shire, Scotland. (Home papers please copy.) (P.1, Argus, 18-8-1903.)
DROMANA. A meeting of the Kangerong A. and H. society was held in the Dromana Hall on Saturday. The treasurer (Mr J.E.Boag) submitted a balance-sheet showing receipts and expenditure in connection with the recent show etc. (P.2, Mornington Standard, 7-4-1906.)
Ten applications for stage coach licences were received and dealt with. After an inspection of the vehicles, which were all four-wheelers, the following were granted : - W. C. Brent, John Brent, John Boyd, J. B. Baldassari, and R. A. Boag, to carry seven passengers ; John Tuck four teen passengers (six inside and eight outside) ; John Tuck, nine passengers; David Cairns, eleven passengers; David Cairns, four passengers.
(P.2, Mornington Standard, 25-11-1897.)
No mention is made here of contracts, for carriage of mail etc, so I presume that the passengers were tourists arriving on steamers at Dromana and being conveyed to guest houses. I believe all of the above, apart from Boag were in the parish of Flinders.David Cairns senior had been paralysed in 1897 and did what he could to help his wife run a boarding house in Flinders. The main purpose of A.R.Boag's coach would have been to pick up guests staying at "Melrose". (It is possible that A.R.Boag is a result if somebody mishearing J.R.Boag.)
BOAG. On the 25th May, at the residence of her daughter (Mrs H. Wainwright) Gurglata, Fell crescent East Malvern, Beta Theresa, widow of the late James Robertson Boag, Melrose, Dromana, loving mother of James E
(Melbourne) and Emily (Mrs B Budds, Montrose), aged 88 years (Privately interred at Dromana, 27th May.)
(P.17, Argus, 29-5-1926.)
The above clears up a few problems. Mrs.B.T.Boag, grieving grandmother, was Beta Theresa and A.R.Boyd was not a son of J.R. and B.T. Perhaps he was a nephew and living on the Fingal land. Annette Ross Boag's pet name was her grandmother's actual given name.. The Boag family was much involved in the Comedy Club with Misses E. and N.Boag often mentioned. J.Boag is often mentioned(J.R.or J.E.)re community groups It seems that J.E.Boag may have had a son. Special prizes were awarded to W: Chapman, 1st ; J. Boag, 2nd, for Scripture. Ada Story,
lst ; Edith Story; 2nd, for catechism.(P.2, Mornington Standard,20-10-1892, Dromana, Pres. Sunday School.)
I've also found a Mr T.Boag (SKATING CARNIVAL, P.2, Mornington Standard, 24-6-1911.)
My apology for the length of this(Boag)aside, but it may be years before my DRAMA ON TROVE is made available, and I thought it might prove handy in the meantime.One more thing. I believe that Beta Theresa was the daughter of Captain Ross who was granted crown allotment 12 of section 1 Kangerong, adjoining the Boag land on the west and extending to Jetty Rd. It was very common for a mother's or grandmother's maiden name to be used as a given name. (It is possible that James E. Boag, Annette Ross Boag's father, was the one who had married a Ross girl.) In 1865, John Saunders Ross, probably the son of (K.H.W.?) Ross, had two town lots; in 1879, he was described as a tinsmith and his land as lots 4 and 5 , section 2. Each of these half acre blocks, granted to J.S.Ross on 27-4-1860, had a 20 metre frontage to both Foote and McArthur St, commencing 100 metres towards the beach from Clarendon St. What's more, M.G.H.W.Ross, almost certainly the captain, was granted the whole of section 6 (two acres), bounded by Paisley, Layard, Stawell and Clarendon Sts, on 18-8-1856.
WHY "CAPTAIN" ROSS?
MONDAY, APRIL 11, DROMANA. SALE by PUBLIC AUCTION of 60a 3r S4p ,Parish of Kangerong (Dromana) Near tho Sea,
And SEVEN ALLOTMENTS In the Village of Dromana For Unreserved Sale By Order of tho Trustees of the Will of thE Late Commander Ross, R. N.
ALFRED BLISS has received Instructions from the trustees in the above estate to SELL by PUBLIC AUCTION, at the room, 32 Collins street west, on Monday, the 11th April, at twelve o' clock,Allotment 12, of Section 1, parish of Kangerong (Dromana), containing 60a 3r 24p. This is a splendid piece of land, close to tho bay
Also The following Crown Allotments in the township of Dromana
Allotment 1 Section 3 containing 2r
Allotments 1 and 2 Section 4 containing each 2r
Allotments 1, 2, 3 and 4, Section 6 containing each 2r
These seven allotments are in the best part of the township, close to the sea.
1 or j niltlve and al soluto s 1 Title Crown grants, to be seen at the o Heos ofMeier? Mallesun, Kurland and Stewart, solicitors,Queen street TerniB-Ono fourth cash, bsl ineo six and 12 months,bearing percent
Sale takes place at tho room 32 C illins s'reet wo t,on Moi diy, April II at twclvpocltck _
(P.2, Argus, 2-4-1881. Did you spot the text that I didn't correct?)
JAMES ROBERTSON BOAG'S LAND IN FINGAL.
Unable to find my note (among information that I was actually seeking at the time of discovery)about James Boag's land in Fingal, I hit the rate records again. The 1864 rates have the section about Fingal missing but in 1865 James Boag was assessed on 444 acres in the parish of Fingal, its nett annual value being 40 pounds.His full name of James Robertson Boag was later recorded but details remained the same until the first Flinders and Kangerong Shire assessment of 2-10-1875. His occupation was given as grazier and he was said to be the owner of the 444 acres. That was his last assessment on the Fingal land.
Locating James Boag's land in Fingal was not the massive task I had expected it to be. I looked at the parish map in the area near Boag Rocks and there it was, on the west side of the end of Truemans Rd. Crown allotment 12, granted to a speculator named Thomas Monanahan (who may also have been interested in lime), consisted of 321 acres and 25 perches and is now the St Andrews Club Gunnamatta Course(Melway 252 C8), its northern boundary continuing west to meet the coastal reserve near the end of Constantine Ave.The southern boundary starts at the drive into 740 Truemans Rd(which for some inexplicable reason was a 198.5 metre kink in the original surveyed road) and continues to meet the coastal reserve south of Krynen St (the St AndrewsBeach/Fingal boundary.)
Crown allotment 13, granted to William Cottier, consisted of 122 acres 3 roods and 25 perches and is now the triangular part of the national park south of St Andrews Beach and the Gunnamatta Course. Crown allotments 12 and 13 total 444 acres 1 rood 10 perches. It is possible to arrive at almost as exact an acreage by combining c/a 13 with any of three Godfrey Howitt grants (11, 15, 16) on the east side of Truemans Rd, but I'm almost certain they became part of Robert Anderson's "Barragunda".
JAMES ROBERTSON BOAG GENEALOGY.
View Tree for James Robertson Boag James Robertson Boag (b. 28 April 1825, d. 1903)
James Robertson Boag (son of James Boag and Grace Robertson) was born 28 April 1825 in Blairfield, Orwell, Kinross-shire, Scotland., and died 1903 in Dromana, Victoria, Australia.. He married Theresa Bete (Bele?) Ross on 1876 in Victoria, Australia.
More About James Robertson Boag:
Death recorded: Vic BDM Index 9389 (aged 72).
Fact 1: 1825, Emigrated to Australia and married Miss Ross.
Fact 2: Had three children.
More About James Robertson Boag and Theresa Bete (Bele?) Ross:
Marriage: 1876, Victoria, Australia.
Marriage Recorded: Vic BDM Index 3168.
Children of James Robertson Boag and Theresa Bete (Bele?) Ross are:
+Annette Ross Boag, b. 1877, Dandenong, Victoria, Australia., d. date unknown.
James Edward Ross Boag, b. 1879, Dandenong, Victoria, Australia., d. 1965, Croydon, Victoria, Australia..
+Emily Grace Ross Boag, b. 1882, Dromana, Victoria, Australia., d. 1972, Croydon, Victoria, Australia..
(From the MY GENEALOGY HOME PAGE.)
James Robertson Boag's wife died 1926 in East Malvern, Victoria but no details were given in the above website regarding her parents. Did her parents live in Dandenong?As the earliest connection I have found on trove between Ross and Dandenong was in the 1890's, I believe the answer is no. Ross St in Dandenong was possibly named after H.M.Ross who seemed to be a prominent Dandenong citizen circa 1890.
The following, written in my DROMANA, ROSEBUD AND MILES AROUND ON TROVE before I joined FAMILY TREE CIRCLES, was discovered while I was searching in that unfinished work for other information.
JAMES ROBERTSON BOAG. (Argus 18-8-1903 page 1) James Robertson Boag died at his residence Melrose, Dromana, on the 17th of August. He had come from Milnathort, Kinross-shire, Scotland. Colin says that he was born in 1830. He ran the towns first dairy. James owned allotment 11 of section 1 Kangerong, consisting of 88 acres 2 roods and 32 perches, and bounded by Palmerstone Ave and Boundary Rd, with its width indicated by Heath Rd.
(Mornington Standard 23-5-1905 page 5.) Miss Annette Ross Boag, eldest daughter of Mrs Boag of Melrose Dromana married Mr H.W.Wainwright of Western Australia at the Dromana Presbyterian Church. There is a full report of the wedding on page 2 of the 1-4-1905 issue. How did they fit so many guests in at Melrose for the reception? A Mrs Catherine Wainwright who was running the Arthurs Seat Hotel in 1887 must have been a widow and seems to have married William Allison within a year. Annette Boag must have fallen for Wainwright while they performed in the Dromana Comedy Company in 1896. Peninsular lads flocked to West Aussie in droves in the 1890s as work was zero here because of the depression but plentiful there because of their gold rush. Nine years later, it seems that Annette and her husband were living in Bendigo, when William, a twin, died at the age of 17 months. (Argus 5-8-1914 page 1.) He was the son of H.M. and A.R. Wainwright (A.R. obviously being Annette Ross, although someone has given the wrong second initial for hubby and I think it would have been the Standard which commonly called S.S.Crispo Crisp.) The grandparents were Mrs R.T.Boag and Mrs W.Allison.
Family historians are the salt of the earth. They are always ready to help each other out and much of the information in my local history has come from them with great enthusiasm. However some go way beyond the call of duty! janilye typifies that breed. She showed me how to save countless hours and seems to spend half her life clarifying confusion for other researchers.
Neil Mansfield wrote the incredible THE DAVID MANSFIELD STORY, produced detailed records of Bulla Cemetery and volunteered to improve the graphics in some of my histories.
John Shorten is more of a local historian but scanned the first (handwritten) 2500 pages of my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE which was produced to give family historians detailed information about their ancestors. Both Neil and I have been supplied with files by John, who helped Neil with the Bulla Cemetery records.
You might want to nominate others and explain why. How about it, Australian members of family Tree Circles. Too many awards for history go to ego -trippers; it's about time these fantastic people quietly working behind the scenes were recognised.
Ja (Jim) Quinlivan
A final tribute to our respected member who passed away on April 5, 2014.
LEST WE FORGET
Carry On Victoria
Published in The Age on Apr. 9, 2014
QUINLIVAN, James (Jim)
QUINLIVAN. James (Jim). On Apr. 5, 2014, aged 87 years. Dearly loved husband of Grace and loving father of Peter (dec. ), Catherine, Dianne, Patricia and David (dec. ). In Our Hearts Forever Late RAAF Member Carry On Vic. for 29 years
Published in Herald Sun on 07/04/2014
QUINLIVAN. James. Rest in peace Uncle Jim Deepest sympathy to Aunty Grace and family. Pat, Ron and Robyn and families.
Published in Herald Sun on 09/04/2014
QUINLIVAN. Jimmy. Passed away Apr. 5, 2014, aged 87 years, after a long, serious illness. Jim was a good bloke, fine tradesman and a loyal Union Member, well liked by all who knew him. Sincere condolences to his wife Grace and daughters. Farewell old mate Rest in peace Your friends, Terry and Denise Boseley.
Published in Herald Sun on 09/04/2014
QUINLIVAN. J. A. (Jim). A final tribute to our respected member who passed away on Apr. 5, 2014. LEST WE FORGET Carry On Victoria.
Published in Herald Sun on 09/04/2014
QUINLIVAN. James. 157788 The President, Committee and Members of the Rosebud RSL Sub-Branch regret the passing of the respected friend and member James. Deepest respect to the family.
Published in Herald Sun on 08/04/2014
QUINLIVEN (sic) UNITS. (P.7, Southern Peninsula News, 21-10-2014.)
A man described as "integral to the history of Rosebud in his enduring efforts to support the veteran community" was honoured on Sunday.
The dedication of the Carry On units at Clacton Divide recognised "the efforts of one man, Jim Quinlivan,in raising more than $400 000 towards their construction."
"Without Jim's efforts,the units at Clacton Divide would never have come to fruition," Carry On executive officer (Victoria) Colin Wardrop said.
"We honour his role as recognition of what can be done when you have a vision."
The units were named 'Carry On (Victoria) Jim Quinlivan Units'.
The not-for-profit organisation has supported the veteran community for more than 82 years and has a strong affiliation and working relationship with both the R.S.L. and Legacy (Vic), Mr Wardrop said.
It provided support in housing,education (secondary and tertiary) and welfare assistance to veterans and their families in times of need.
I'd never heard of Jim Quinlivan before I saw the above article today. I'd read about the council taking ownership of the more inland portion of the Clacton-on-Sea estate because of unpaid rates and cooperating with Carry On to build the estate. Emphasis was placed on the council officer who oversaw the project and I don't recall even one mention of Jim Quinlivan.
CARRY ON ( Victoria ) - Rosebud Branch
CARRY ON ( Victoria ) - Rosebud Branch
Carry On has had supporters on the Mornington Peninsula from the earliest days of the Club.
Many ex-servicemen living on the Peninsula were in needy circumstances, and after the Branch office-bearers convinced the Carry On Board of this situation it provided the motivation which has resulted in this Branch becoming an extremely active group.
One of the consequences has been the construction of Homes for the Aged Units in Rosebud. These ten units were built in two stages between 1989 and 1994.
The Branch also recruited very well in the 1980s, attracting local identities Alan Gray, Alex Bennett, John Davidson, Col Adamson, Les Parkin, Jim Quinlivan and Don Warford to join the organisation.
Because of the quality and enthusiasm of these members the branch has been very active since its establishment.
Good relationships have been established with the local newspapers which give coverage to Carry On activities such as Golf Days, Bowls Carnivals and the giving of Christmas hampers to needy families.
Great support has also been obtained from service and sporting clubs, businesses, local communities and the Local Shire Council on the Southern Peninsula.
A further role of the branch is assisting with the management of the Homes for the Aged units at Rosebud, where they select tenants, monitor their needs, attend to maintenance and minor repairs, and report to the Board on any major problems that may arise.
On 23 October at 1100 we are dedicating... - Carryon-victoria
October 9 at 12:40pm
On 23 October at 1100 we are dedicating our Clacton Divide Rosebud Units in memory of Jim Quinlivan who passed away after a poor health on 5 April 2014. Jim was very well known in the Rosebud area for his fund raising endeavours to build units for Veterans in Rosebud. There is a local myth within the precincts of the Rosebud business district that the business owners would close up shop or hide when Jim cam a calling because he was chasing them for another donation. In fairness Jim Quinlivan raised over $440K towards the construction of the units. Lest we Forget his contribution to his Service mates. A true champion.
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Anthony Edward McKenzie. Jim was a Gentleman and the dedication in his memory is a wonderful thought. Well done. Vice President, Peninsula Young Veterans Well Being Centre.
SOME PEOPLE DESERVE EVERY BIT OF LUCK THEY GET AND JIM WAS CERTAINLY ONE.
Rosebud Man Ain't Half Lucky
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Jim Quinlivan can barely wipe the smile off his face. More than 50 years after discovering he was adopted, Mr Quinlivan, 81, has found two half-sisters and another big family...
As you enter the Rye Cemetery from Lyons St there is a group of old graves about 20 metres ahead on the left of the path. If I remember correctly, three of them relate to the Stenniken family, the first their daughter, Mrs Kennedy (Sarah?) I think the next grave after those three is that of James Campbell Williams*. His sister,Carrie,is either buried in the same grave or the next one. However,there is no mention of their brother, Ted Williams (Edward junior.)The Rye Cemetery Index in the local history room of the Rosebud Library has no mention of Ted either but that is probably because it was compiled from grave inscriptions. The late Ray Cairns told me that Jimmy and his brother died a day apart and cleared up my confusion about Ned Williams. Jimmy's father was Ned and Jimmy's brother was called Ted. So the father was the one who moved the lighthouse to the top of Arthurs Seat and dug the Chinamans Creek canal.
(*James was known as Jimmy the Squid. He collected fishermen's catches which were left on the roadside and transported them to the Mornington Railhead,starting his run from Rosebud West. Isobel Moresby* mentioned that Chinese fishermen used to sell squid on the site of the tennis court (the playground in front of the historic kindergarten.) Perhaps their unsold squid catch was sent to Melbourne or other fishermen were catching squid too. (* ROSEBUD: FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA.)
If Jimmy and Ted died a day apart why was Ted not mentioned on the gravestone? At the age of 100 years and 10 days,Ray Cairns' memory was sensational but every now and then he wasn't certain, and he insisted on being certain as Peter Wilson stated in THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO. He was slightly confused about Carrie and Marion and as I didn't want to distress him,we moved onto other subjects. I spent weeks trying in vain to find confirmation of Jimmy and Ted dying on consecutive days.Now,about two years later,I found it while looking for
"Campbell, Rosebud" re the house near the Rosebud jetty that will have to be demolished for the construction of the much-opposed apartment/cafe; a descendant of George Fountain told me at the Dromana Museum last Sunday (19-1-2014) that a grandson of Melbourne's Lord Mayor,Edward Campbell had built the house.
HERE'S THE CONFIRMATION.
WILLIAMS. - On September 10, at EastBourne, Rosebud West, James Campbell, son of the late Edward and Mary Williams,beloved brother of Edward (died September9, 1947). Caroline, Ellen (Mrs. Connop, de-
ceased), Marion (Mrs. Edmonds, deceased) aged 89 years. -At rest. (P.9, Argus, 11-9-1947.)
EASTBOURNE was the name that Sidney Smith Crispo of the Victorian Coastal Survey gave to his grants at Rosebud West, crown allotments 52 and 44 Wannaeue, bounded on the west by Elizabeth Ave and on the south by Hiscock Rd. The Village Glen now occupies most of the land east of Chinamans Creek except the part of crown allotment 44 south of the freeway reservation. Recently (early 2013?), the Friends of the Tootgarook Swamp opposed filling of the swamp in the St Elmos Close area to extend the village and the gang of six on the council tried to sue Cameron Brown who led the protest.
Edward Williams Snr. came from Sydney in 1855 on a ship whose purpose was to survey Port Phillip Bay. The Burrells of Arthurs Seat must have invited the officers to some hospitality and Ned,as he was usually called, probably helped to row them ashore as he obviously enjoyed hospitality with the servants.
One of the servants was Mary Campbell who'd come out with her guardian, Robert Cairns and his wife,Mary (nee Drysdale) in 1852,probably acting as a nanny for the Cairns children. Edward Williams married Mary Campbell. Mary's maiden name was used as Jimmy the Squid's second given name. Young Edward was known as Ted, according to the late Ray Cairns.
Ned was amazingly strong and according to Colin McLear in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA was a harvester of renown who could scythe an acre of crop in one day and,with Bob White, moved the first wooden lighthouse at today's McCrae to the summit of Arthurs Seat when the present metal lighthouse had been constructed. From 1863, he acted at caretaker of Crispo's grants between Canterbury Jetty Rd and St Johns Rd, Blairgowrie*, until he settled on his own grants straddling Browns Rd just east of Truemans Rd. Ned owned a butchers shop on Butchers Hill at Sorrento which was later sold to George White (of Irish descent and unrelated to the aforementioned Bob White, who like the Cairns family came from the Clackmannan district of Scotland) from whom George St, Sorrento probably got its name. Ned's sons were put in charge of the shop but obviously preferred outdoor life.
(*See my journal THERE WOULD BE NO SORRENTO WITHOUT SIDNEY SMITH CRISPO.)
I had presumed Ned Williams' transfer of his butchering operation from Sorrento to Rosebud was due to increased competition in Coppin's town but it was more likely that the 1890's depression was the cause. It would be interesting to study the Sorrento real estate activity in that decade. As with the 1843 depression, the battlers were affected and many peninsula farmers were forced to desert their farms in the 1890's. However, in both crashes the moneyed classes suffered the greatest losses.Shopkeepers in Sorrento,like in most coastal towns today, made their profits during the tourist season and just kept their heads above water during the rest of the year. If the owners of the clifftop mansions at Sorrento (the bulk of houses mentioned in the Shire of Flinders Heritage Study) were approaching insolvency, the shopkeepers,publicans and guesthouses would also go to the wall.
It has not* been established whether Edward Thomas Williams was Ned or Ted but in any case the butcher shop was certainly lost. (*IT HAS NOW;SEE DEATH NOTICES AT END!) It was probably the assignee who sold it to George White.
COMPULSORY SEQUESTRATIONS. |
Mr. Justice A'Beckett yesterday in the Supreme Court compulsorily sequestrated the estates of-lolm Henry Werner, ol' Rooky Lead, storekeeper, on the application of Mr. Vasey.
Edward Thomas Williams, of Sorrento,butcher, on the application of Mr. Wasley.
I have seen no record of a butchers shop at Rosebud at that time so Edward probably supplied customers from a cutting cart. Crispo died in 1899 at Edward Williams' residence, Eastbourne,so I believe Edward was leasing the property or had received a certificate ending his insolvency, and Crispo, apparently a bachelor,had left the estate to his mate, Ned, or sold it to him on easy terms. Whichever,Ned was able to build the heritage-listed house at 17 William Crescent about half a decade later.
While trying to find a heritage citation for Ned's new Eastbourne homestead, I came across Mike Hast's article about the opening of the Rosebud West Community hub. The summary mentioned William Rd, Blairgowrie so in view of the Crispo/Ned mateship, I checked its location. Sure enough the straight part was one of the main streets of Crispo's village of Manners Sutton (later Canterbury, both names coming from the Governor, Sir John Manners-Sutton who became Viscount Canterbury during his term of office.) So that makes some council officer guilty of TWO acts of historical vandalism! The shire must have resolved to remove the s from the end of street names where it had served a possessive function ('s) and Williams'(Cres., Rd.) from which the apostrophe had been dropped over time became William! It's a pity the know all (who crossed out the s where Peter Wilson, in THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO, had described Ned's house as being at 17 WILLIAMS CRESCENT, didn't ask the council why there was no s at the end of the street name.
NED WILLIAMS' PROPERTIES ON BROWNS RD.
In 1900, Ned's Browns Rd properties were occupied by Edward Connop and in 1910 by John and Marion Edwards of Eastbourne, Dromana. The 1910 assessment is an example of the the reason Cr Terry resigned from council. The shire was nearly broke from the lingering effects of the 1890's depression and Terry was demanding that properties be properly described so that it was clear who owed rates etc. It is unclear whether John and Marion were residing in a house in Dromana named after the Rosebud West farm,but their surname wasn't Edwards, it was Edmonds.
Ned Williams' daughter, Marion,had apparently married Ned Edmonds and one of their daughters had married James Woonton (according to the late Ray Cairns who added that James did road maintenance for the shire.)
In 1919,James had just started leasing the Eagle Ridge site, and the triangular 27A of 20 acres adjoining it on the west,from Ned Edmonds of Boneo. Marion Edmonds was assessed on "94 acres 39A" which John Edwards (sic) had occupied in 1910.
(No wonder Cr Terry was furious! It was 39B of 93 acres 2 roods and 8 perches, and 39A fronting Truemans Rd, consisted of a bit over 83 acres.)
In 1900,Edward Williams was leasing 69 acres of Eastbourne (crown allotment 52) from Crispo. (The rate collector obviously didn't read the death notices.) He apparently owned 170 acres in crown allotments 52 and 44. As c/a 52 in the high and dry area consisted of 141 acres,Ned was not occupying 43 acres of c/a 44 near the swamp.(Probably the land that Alex Crichton added to the Lovie grants.)
Ned was also assessed on the 20 acres of 27A Wannaeue (Melway 169 west half F12 and south east half E12.) The other Browns Rd grants were 27 B (Eagle Ridge Golf Club to bottom of diagonal western boundary* in Melway 252 G1) and c/a 39B (Melway 169 F11 part 10,part E 10,11.)
(*The western border of 27B went due south from the north west corner of Eagle Ridge.)
In 1910,Caroline Williams (Carrie) was assessed on 69 acres in 52 Wannaeue (near Eastbourne Rd),her address,like the Edmonds, being given as Eastbourne, Dromana. She was also assessed on 162 acres in 7A Wannaeue, east of the southern, swampy half of Eastbourne (Melway 169 K6 to Hiscock Rd, adjoining the Eastbourne Primary School site, and fronting Boneo Rd south of a point opposite the Branson St corner.) Alex Crichton of the Glen Lee family had bought part of crown allotment 44 and sold this with John Lovie's grants between Ned's 39B and Eastbourne to Louis Jensen of Blackburn. Alex, who'd been assessed on Lovie's grants for many decades,had moved to Cockatoo.
In 1919 James C.Williams had crown allotment 7 (see Carrie in 1910) and Ted* had 190 acres and buildings part c/a 44 and crown allotment 52. The William Crescent house was of course on c/a 52. Caroline was leasing 69 acres,pt.c/a 44. (* As Ned was 83, I presume that Edward meant Ted.)
CRISPO.On the 13th October, at the residence of Mr. Edward Williams, Eastbourne, Rye, Sidney Smith Crispo, late secretary and paymaster, Admiralty Survey, Victoria, aged 71. Buried at Rosebud????? Cemetery.
(The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 18 October 1899 p 1 Family Notices)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 22 April 1915 p 1 Family Notices
...bsp; affectionate family.) WILLIAMS - In sad and loving memory of my dear wife, and our loving mother, Mary Williams, who died at "Eastbourne," Rosebud, on the 21st April, 1914.
WILLIAMS. On the 12th November, at his residence, Eastbourne, Rosebud, Edward, loved father of Edward, James, Caroline, Ellen (Mrs.Connop), Marion (Mrs. Edmonds, deceased), aged 90 years.
(P.17, Argus, 13-11-1926.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 10 September 1947 p 11 Family Notices
... Eastbourne. Rosebud West, Edward Thomas son of the late Edward and Mary Williams, be- loved brother
(Ted was the Edward Thomas Williams who was insolvent.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 30 April 1949 p 15 Family Notices
... - On April 29, at Dro- mana Community Hospital, Caroline, of Eastbourne, Rosebud West, eldest daughter ..
March 2013 - The Village Glen, Rosebud
March 2013,Issue No 384, Eastbourne by Bergliot Dallas.
The following extract from the VILLAGE GLEN NEWS contains some mistakes but adds some important information, such as Ned making the road around Anthony's Nose in 1866 which I'd forgotten to mention. I'll have to check whether 19 William Crescent could be the original Eastbourne homestead in which Crispo died. There is no rate book evidence that Ned Williams occupied Eastbourne from the 1860's; this might be confusion caused by the author being unaware of Manners-Sutton at Blairgowrie. Bergliot seems to be unaware that there had been two homesteads on Eastbourne, the second, circa 1904 involving Croad and Morse,built for Ned. Probably not having consulted rate books and parish maps, Bergliot assumed that Eastbourne and the Browns Rd. properties adjoined when they were separated by John Lovie's grants,owned from early times by Alex Crichton.There is ample evidence (letters to the editor) that Crispo lived at Eastbourne, which was at times described as being at Rye,the name of Rosebud West not then being used.
Eastbourne Bergliot Dallas
How many of us here at the Village Glen are aware of the existence of Eastbourne, the historic
farmhouse located close by at 19 William Street. It was built between 1885 and 1890, when the
property comprised almost 200 acres and stretched from Eastbourne Road to Browns Road,
roughly between Balaka Street and Elizabeth Avenue.
Edward Williams came from Sydney in about 1860, and was a member of the crew of HMVS, the
Survey Ship Victoria. He was later described variously as a contractor, farmer, butcher and
yeoman! On the Victoria he met Sidney Smith Crispo, the paymaster who lived at Canterbury
Jetty, Rye. He owned the property that Williams and his family occupied from 1864, but never
lived there, and the sale to Williams was only finally concluded in 1899, three weeks prior to
Crispos death from influenza.
Mary Campbell migrated from Stirling, Scotland, in 1852 on the Europa with one of the Cairns
families as a nursemaid for their children. On the Mornington Peninsula, she was employed by
the Burrells at what had been the McCrae homestead. During this time, she met and married
Edward Williams, who was fourteen years her junior. They had five children.
The house is built of local limestone, with exterior walls about 60cm thick. This keeps the
temperature inside quite even, neither cold in winter nor hot in summer. W J Croad was
contracted as the builder and George Morce did the stone work. There are numerous examples
of the work of both these Sorrento men in Portsea, Sorrento and Rye, but the house is certainly
unique in the Rosebud/Tootgarook, area and was named in the Shire of Flinders Heritage Study
inventory as a house of local significance.
Edward Williams contributed quite significantly to the settlement and history of the area. He cut
the road around Anthonys Nose next to the beach, and undertook the contract to drain the
Tootgarook Swamp (as well as most of his pasture), creating Chinamans Creek, so named
because a man called Wong-Shing leased the land on the eastern bank of the creek and used
it as a market garden for many years around the early 1900s. In Sorrento, opposite the Park,
the butchers shop of Williams and Son (Edward and his son, Edward Jnr) traded for many years,
and animals from Eastbourne were slaughtered on the site then known as
Butchers Hill, on the corner of Hotham Road and George Street.
The old dairy, which was at one time the Eastbourne Butter Factory, can still be seen
beside the house. One of the daughters, Caroline (known as Carrie), is remembered
as always wearing a black dress, white bonnet and apron, selling eggs and butter.
She died aged 90 in 1949, a spinster. Edward and Mary and their children are buried in the Rye Cemetery.
Just in conclusion, Eastbourne might have become part of Federanium, the capital city of Australia if Crispo's plan had been adopted. See:
BONEO AND FINGAL IN 1902, MORNINGTON PENINSULA, VIC ...
Jun 4, 2013 - 'Federanium.' The streets a mile and two miles long. S: 8. CRISPO ... BONEO. Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 17 May 1894 .
It's amazing what you find when looking for something else.
You Yangs wrote that a daughter of John Batman had been buried on the Dennistoun pre-emptive right, Green Hills in the parish of Yangardook near Toolern Vale.I found this while checking the correct spelling of Dennistoun which was rendered as Dennistown on another copy of the map. Maybe true, maybe rumour, but I pasted the article in comments under my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF BULLA journal, just in case.
Not long after, I was reading Isaac Batey's memoirs of Sunbury district pioneers,just for fun. Isaac,unlike most historians, wrote about the little people as well as the big-wigs, and this article was about people who had worked for squatters. He mentioned that the Collyer brothers who had managed Green Hills had both married daughters of John Batman. On a scale of 1 to 10, the credibility of the claim about the grave near Toolern Vale had risen to about 9.99. No written history is going to be free of errors, sometimes because of incorrect assumptions (which in scientific method can be discovered fairly soon through experimentation), sometimes through quirks of memory, sometimes through accepting folklore as fact. In hundreds of hours spent reading Isaac's amazing articles,I have spotted only one error. He called the Lady of the Lake Hotel at Tullamarine the Lady of the Lady. Unfortunately this mistake was repeated in the Tullamarine Methodist Church centenary souvenir of 1970.That is the only reason that the credibility score did not rise to 10.
The following confirms his claim about the Collyer lads marrying John Batman's daughters. And what of Batman's sons? No children,they did not move to Gotham City! Read the article.
JOHN BATMAN. DESCENDANTS OF THE FOUNDER. UNPUBLISHED MEMORANDA.
The Broadford Courier and Reedy Creek Times (Broadford, Vic. : 1893 - 1916) Friday 17 April 1903 p 5 Article.
MRS. KATE ROBERTSON
Mrs Kate Robertson widow of the late Mr John Coupar Robertson formerly of Gowrie Park Campbellfield who died at her home in Coburg on January 3 had a long association with the Coburg and Campbellfield districts. Arriving in Australia from Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland in 1875 as Miss Kate Kirkland, she was for some years organist of the first Coburg Presbyterian Church and at the time of her death was the oldest living member of the congregation. (P.5, Argus,7-1-1941.)
From my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND,page G.19.
James and Ann Robertson had eight children; their son, John C.Robertson was born in a tent in 1845. The sons of Alexander Gibb and James Robertson experienced contrasting levels of prosperity. Alexander Coupar Gibb received a 2000 pound deposit during the land boom (circa 1890) but John Coupar Robertson struggled financially and was employed at Pentridge before becoming a coke merchant in Albert St.,Melbourne. (Deidre Farfor's genealogical and biographical notes.)
ROBERTSON. -On the 4th November at "Athol," Kendall street, Coburg, John Coupar, dearly loved husband of Kate Robertson, eldest son of the late James Robertson, of "Gowrie Park," Campbellfield, in his 79th year. (Interred privately Coburg Cemetery, Monday, November 5.) P.1, Argus,6-11-1923.
John Coupar Robertson
Found 10 Records, 10 Photos and 2,852,755 Family Trees
Born in Campbellfield, Victoria, Australia on 1845 to Ann Coupar. John Coupar married Kate Kirkland and had 6* children. He passed away on 1923.
Family Members Parents Unavailable Ann Coupar 1814-1872
Spouse(s) Kate Kirkland 1855-1940
James Archibald Robertson 1878-Unknown
John Kirkland Robertson 1880-Unknown
Alfred Ernest Robertson 1881-Unknown
Douglas Errol Robertson 1884-Unknown
Amy Caroline Robertson 1886-Unknown
Kate Kirkland Robertson 1887-1973
*As I have already found a notice about their THIRD DAUGHTER (Muriel, see below)and only two daughters are listed above, I believe that Deidre Farfor (who supplied her information to me about a quarter of a century ago) was right about 8 children.
ROBERTSON. In loving memory of Muriel Jessie, the dearly beloved third daughter of
Kate and the late John Coupar Robertson, who passed away on 22nd of February, 1924.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death,
neither sorrow, nor crying; neither shall there be any more pain.
(Inserted by her loving mother and family, Athol, Coburg.) P.1, Argus, 24-2-1925.
John Kernan started leasing Merai Farm in 1856. Had he just arrived, and, if not, what was he doing previously?
PUBLICANS' LICENSES - The following is a list of the applications filed for publicans' licenses for the City of Melbourne and County of Bourke;
John Cosgrave, King-street ; Robert frost, Flinders -streut ; Thomns Moiinhan, Sw auston-street ;
Count or Bourke.--Vi. M. Atkinson, South Yarra ; "John. Brien, Will Will .Rook (Broadmeadows)'; Waller Butler, Williams Town ; Edward Bishop, PuscoeViilc; I. Donohoe, Deep Creek ; John Kernan,junction of the Mount Macedon and Kielor roads; C McDougall, Kalkallo James Mitchell, Keilor; John Mill, Mornington; JurneB Mooney,Brighton; D. W.t CNial, Springs; William liOdrgO BtllllWBY,'iiruiiFii.n t;,."""". -?"'."-I'son,1 Darebin Creek ; George Vutgo, Somerton ;Sarah Wulle, Pentridge.
(The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Tuesday 1 April 1851 p 2 Article)
Only three publicans in Melbourne have been included, for reasons given below. Most in the county of Bourke have been deleted before John Kernan but following entries have been left intact so that his entry can be easily located near the end of the article.
Digitisation has not been corrected so that you can appreciate finding an article that you can just copy and paste into your family history. That is why I get so frustrated when after finding articles,spending hours correcting the text and linking them with comments,I cannot submit the fruits of my labour.
John Kernan's hotel would have probably been on the site of the Moonee Ponds Town Hall*. I think Grant Aldous mentioned a hotel having previously on that site in THE STOPOVER THAT STAYED. It couldn't have been on the site of today's Moonee Ponds Tavern because Robert Shankland built the original section of Dean's Hotel in 1852, according to his biography in VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS.
John Kernan had earlier applied for a licence for a hotel in Melbourne but been refused.
John Kernan, Block Bull Hotel, Melbourne,refused, on the petition of the inhabitants of the locality, the house not being required.(P.2, Argus, 15-4-1850.)
*It is highly unlikely that the road junction was the Bulla/Keilor Rd. corner at North Essendon because Tulip Wright's Lincolnshire Hotel would have been in the process of construction in 1851. There is not one mention of the hotel in 1851 in the Argus and Tulip would have given the hotel this name from its opening, being a native of Lincolnshire. In 1852, Tulip, obviously the first licensee, transferred the licence to Edward Wilson.
Three roads were often called Mt Macedon road at the time: the road to Sydney past the Young Queen (i.e.Pascoe Vale Rd, Postlethwaite's address for his large estate near Broadmeadows Township in 1850); the road to Deep Creek (early address for Colonel Kenny's Camp Hill at Tullamarine); and the road to Keilor(whose main street was Macedon St.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 27 January 1853 p 4 Family Notices
... instant, at the Clarendon Hotel, Collins-street, Melbourne, William Postlethwaite, Esq., of Glenroy, fourth son of John Postlethwaite, of llroad Broad- stonce, Dalton, Lancashire, aged 33 years.
The above is half of the proof that Pascoe Vale Rd. was called Mt Macedon road. I saw the other half in a copy of an electoral roll included in a Keilor Historical Society newsletter by Chris Laskowski in the 1990's. It read ? Postlethwaite, (Mt?)Macedon road, Glenroy. The question marks indicate details not clear in my memory but I am absolutely certain about the rest. I have searched the 1849 list of electors in the Port Phillip and Postlethwaite's name is not on it, but that was probably a preliminary list so that electors could check if they were included.(P.4, Argus, 3-7-1849.)
Pascoe Vale road was called "the road to the Young Queen" in a map found on a sketch of title and the bridge at Pascoe Vale was built in 1843. It was not a government road used as a boundary for crown allotments but a track, forged by early squatters seeking pasture, which passed through crown allotments in Doutta Galla north of Woodlands St, Fawkner's grant at Pascoeville in Jika Jika and the Glenroy Estate in Will Will Rook.
Morelands natural landform and the way it was mapped and organised for subdivision also set a pattern for how its roads and transport routes would emerge and develop in the municipality. Brunswicks parish land was divided into relatively narrow strips on either side of Sydney Road. Many of its thoroughfares subsequently evolved from lanes that ran along the boundaries of larger allotments, giving Brunswick the tight grid of streets that characterise its urban setting today. The north-south road that became Sydney Road was the one public road that surveyor Robert Hoddle reserved when he surveyed the northern part of the (JIKA JIKA)parish. It acted as a boundary between the elongated east and west allotments thus providing these properties with access to a central road. Its northerly route took it to the village of Pentridge, but the narrow dimensions of the road would suggest that it was merely intended as an agricultural road for servicing farming allotments, not the major axial thoroughfare it is today.
By contrast, the route of Pascoe Vale Road developed from a track that followed the natural contours of the
landscape. Unlike Sydney Road, it did not begin as a route to service the needs of an emerging settlement.
Rather, explorers and squatters initially used it as a means to investigate Melbournes hinterland and claim
pasture as well as a route to herd sheep and cattle. Their journey would have followed the path well trod by the first inhabitants, the Wurundjeri-willam clan of the Woiworung Aboriginal group.
The Moonee Ponds Creek was named after a Woiworung Ngurungaeta, Mooney Mooney. Little is known of him except that he was blind in one eye and was also acquitted of sheep stealing on the Werribee River in 1838. He died in February 1840, aged sixty-six.63
The Flemington Bridge crossing began as a ford and in 1839 was upgraded to a log bridge, the first vehicular
bridge in Melbourne. It was built to facilitate the significant loads of stone being brought in to build Melbournes churches and other public buildings such as the Russell Street gaol and the new treasury.71 The bridge provided a direct route along Mt Alexander Road, which deviated at Holmes Road into Pascoe Vale Road. The route crossed Moonee Ponds Creek again near John Pascoe Fawkners village of Pascoeville, in todays Pascoe Vale/Oak Park area. At first the crossing used a ford that was on a circuitous path and was often blocked by subdivisional fences, writes Lay, but pressure of increased usage of the route as a Sydney link led to its replacement by a bridge in 1843, the second bridge in Melbourne.72 The structure was built with government funding as well as funding from the new licensee of the Young Queen Inn, William Smith.
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Pascoe Vale Rd was an early road to Sydney which deviated through Broadmeadows Township (Westmeadows) and up the Ardlie St hill to join the present Mickleham road,which further north is still called Old Sydney Rd. This was a significant detour and as William Smith announced after the Pascoe Vale bridge had been swept away (see below)the road past the Young Queen was being linked to the new Sydney road (i.e. at Somerton.)
AND THAT WAS WHEN THE GENEALOGICAL PUZZLE REGARDING JOHN KERNAN COMMENCED!
John Kernan was still alive and kicking on Merai Farm at Pascovale while John Kernan was running the Somerton Inn and the Somerton family's folklore states that they were not related. Both families were linked by PascoeVale Rd and relationship to the McNamara's. John Kernan Snr of Merai farm married Mary McNamara (title document)and one of Somerton John's sons married a McNamara girl!
Some details of Somerton John are given in the Craigieburn Historical Interest Group's website (place and year of birth, marriage at Coburg)but nothing about his arrival in Australia.
As I could not submit the information gathered about the two Kernan families an email conversation with a descendant of Somerton John about the two families will be posted here if the gremlins allow it.
THE OTHER PUBLICANS.
John Cosgrave,supposedly an Alderman (Melbourne or Hotham?) was a pioneer of Kensington and Bulla. Title documents regarding Kensington show that Cosgrave was the council officer and 12 year old Oswald Daniel added the Alderman tag in his history of Bulla.
ALLOTMENT 20.(East of Kensington Rd.)
This was granted to William Highett who came to the Port Phillip District to manage the Union Bank. Highett also received a grant in the parish of Yuroke near Craigieburn Rd.
His land dealings fill many pages of the lands title index; no doubt many were in Highett. The entrance in Dynon Rd between Kensington Rd and the railway bridge is actually Highett St.
Not long afterwards, Highett sold allotment 20 to lawyer, Henry Jennings, after whom Henry St was probably named. In 1854, Jennings subdivided the land, selling the land north east of Derby St in 78 lots. The main buyers were F.J.Coote, William and David Winder, and John Cosgrave. Coote was a partner in Jennings legal firm and Cosgrave was treasurer of the Corporation of Melbourne. William Winder was a brickmaker and David Winder had purchased the land between Stubbs St and the Macaulay Station site in 1849.
The McMeikans bought land from Cosgrave in 1864 and Coote in 1868 to extend their property to Bellair St. In 1863, J.T.Smith bought all of Cosgraves land east of Gower St (sold to Durham in 1879). Smith also bought six of Cosgraves blocks south west of the (Holy Rosary)church site, Robert Wallace buying the other 9 blocks (to Derby St) in 1869.(From my EARLY LANDOWNERS: PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA.)
The section extending from Musgrove's corner to the late Andrew Carroll's was owned by Mr William Wright, who cut it up and sold it about the year 1852, Messrs Musgrove, Johnson, Daniel, Carroll, Tulloch and Waylett were among the original purchasers. Mrs Mary Daniel purchased two blocks of the estate, one of which is still held by her grandson, Mr A. F.Daniel.
The adjoining block she sold to the late John Cosgrove, who was alderman and first treasurer of the City of Melbourne. Mr Cosgrove used to cycle out on a 'bone shaker,' (a term given to a certain make of early cycles) that must have had an earlier history than the famous machine of the late Professor Kernot, and in his trips from North Melbourne to the farm he used to arrive with such an enormous appetite that one of his standing boasts was that he could eat anything that was put before him. On one occasion a crow was prepared, and he was invited to have a meal of crow. After he had finished the meal he remarked : 'Humph ! I can eat crow, but I don't hanker after it.'
Mr Cosgrove afterwards sold to Messrs Hunt and Standen. Mrs T.H. Dean, of Moonee Ponds (a daughter of Mr Standen) next possessed the property; then her son, Melbourne; and it has now become the property of
the Hunt Club. ("Sherwood", Melway 178 C6.)
OSWALD DANIEL. (Age, 12 years 10 months). ((P.2, Sunbury News, 4-6-1910.)
Robert does not seem to have been running the Bridge Inn at Bulla circa 1860 but a beer there would have been a Frosty one,so there was possibly a family connection.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 17 August 1860 p 1 Advertising
. TO LET, the DEEP CREEK INN, Bulla. Apply to Arthur Frost, Bulla.
The relationship between (Arthur?) and the Bulla Road Board became FROSTY when a payment was asked for the use of a room by the Board.
A meeting was called on 23rd October, 1862, at the Bridge Inn for the purpose of forming a Road Board District.
...After holding two or three meetings at the Bridge Inn Mr Frost wanted to charge the Council for the use of the room and Mr Melville of the Inverness came to the rescue, and allowed the council to have a room free of charge. (Oswald Daniel, as above.)
I had not known that Thomas Monahan was a publican,but I suspect that he was successful in this occupation. He was able to engage in land speculation in the parish of Kangerong near Dromana and suburban blocks at Rye (parish of Nepean) on the Mornington Peninsula.
BRYAN. On the 16th inst., at his residence, Victoria Hotel, Broadmeadows*, Mr. John Bryan, aged 55
years. (P.4, Argus, 17-6-1859.) Jane Bryan carried on the hotel after John's death.It was destroyed by fire in 1879.
A plaque on the Broadmeadows Hotel refers to the Victoria Hotel having been on the site of the Broady's car park which would be clear enough if there wasn't a car park at each end of the Broady. Luckily an early purchase by J.Bryan shown on the Broadmeadows Township map (the one showing the two ends of Ardlie St joined by the 1854 timber bridge) indicates that the Victoria was a few blocks uphill of the original Broadmeadows Hotel site.
*Broadmeadows Township is north of Forman St and south of Kenny St in present-day Westmeadows. The hotel was described as being in (the parish of)Will Will Rook in 1851 because nobody would have known where Broadmeadows Township was,having only been declared the year before. The Fawkner St part of the township was in the parish of Tullamarine.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 2 March 1853 p 6 Article
... Young Queen, Pascoeville, from Edward Bishop to John William Roberts. Postponed to the 11th In Inst ...
(The Young Queen Inn became a landmark for travellers to Sydney and Pascoe Vale Rd was labelled in a pre-1850 survey as "road to the Young Queen Inn". After the direct route through Pentridge (Coburg) became the NEW ROAD TO SYDNEY, and the bridge at Pascoeville was swept away in about 1850,William Smith launched an extensive advertising campaign to reverse the declining number of travellers using the old route (one of the problems being the steep climb in either direction from the creek at Ardlie St in Broadmeadows Township.) Smith pointed out that a new bridge was being built and that the road now connected with the new Sydney road (probably via Cliffords Rd at Somerton.) He called his hotel the ORIGINAL Young Queen Inn because another hotel of the same name(which later became Father O'Hea's residence if I remember Richard Broome's BETWEEN TWO CREEKS correctly) had been built beside the direct road through Pentridge.
It seems that the campaign didn't work and Smith (son in law of Tulip Wright, according to sources) moved to Bulla and built the bluestone store which was for so long the post office/store of the (William) Bethell family. He would have been delighted that Edward Bishop wanted to run the pub, which was, according to the City of Moreland Thematic Heritage Study Volume 2 on the corner of Pascoe Vale and Main St (Oak Park), but title documents indicate it was near Bass St,just north of the bridge.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 16 April 1851 p 2 Article
... Rest, Dandenong Grunted. P. Donohoe, Bridge Inn, Deep Creek.
(William "Tulip" Wright had transferred the licence of his hotel at Bulla to Donohue while he got the Lincolnshire Hotel at North Essendon up and going. Tulip later returned to Bulla and died there.)
DAVID WILLIAM O'NIALL.
David established the LADY OF THE LAKE Hotel at Springs (Tullamarine) in about 1847. He planted a cape broom hedge and his two shy little daughters, Catherine and Minnie, watched in awe through the hedge as Robert O'Hara Burke's expedition straggled past on its way to the second encampment by the Inverness Hotel (near the north end of the north-south runway.) The associated farm, "Broombank" is discussed in my journal (O'NIALL/BEAMAN.) David died young and his widow married Richard Beaman. The hotel burnt down and its land became part of Broombank (leased by John Cock, the late Colin Williams' parents and Ray Loft.)
Ray wanted to buy the property but Catherine and Minnie refused to sell for sentimental reasons and it was not until the death of the two sisters, about three years apart in the early 1930's, that Ray was able to buy the property, which was subdivided in 1952. The Broombank homestead was set back about 70 yards from Bulla Rd,the driveway from the main road becoming Millar Rd, but was derelict so Ray and Maggie lived at 3 Eumarella St on the subdivided 40 acre portion of Tommy Loft's "Dalkeith" west of Broadmeadows Rd. The Loft and Millar families were both associated with the Greenvale and Tullamarine areas so Ray Loft may have met Maggie Millar in either area, Greenvale by about 1920 or Tulla afterwards. Robert Millar occupied the Junction Estate (Northedge, Andlon and Londrew), which adjoined Broombank, before his death in 1912 and his son Alex may have continued there until the Lofts arrived from Greenvale before buying John McKerchar's "Greenvale" which he renamed the Elms. (Sources for this entry would fill an A4 page. Private message me for details.)
New Somerton Hotel Page
The Somerton Hotel with owner John Kernan and his wife pictured out front. ... George Vinge ran the hotel from 1847 to 1853 (Cole Hotel Index) and was known ...
Convict Records: George Vinge
George Vinge, one of 168 convicts transported on the Red Rover, ... April 1842: Took over the licence of the Golden Fleece Hotel in Sydney Road, Somerton, ...
TO BE CONTINUED.