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FRED MELLOR, PERFORMER EXTRAORDINAIRE AND THE LUCKY KIDS AT DROMANA, VIC., AUST.

LUCKY DROMANA KIDS IN THE 1890'S.
In my research for burials at Dromana cemetery, I am often tempted to open results that do not mention the cemetery. I'm glad I opened this one because Fred Mellor was a household name throughout Victoria and reports of his shows were so glowing that I had to don my sunnies. The Dromana kids in the 1890's would have learned more than the 3 R's taught to the tune of a hickory stick.
MELLOR.— On the 20th inst., at Women's Hospital (from shock following an operation), Lizzie, the dearly loved wife of Fred. Mellor, school teacher,Dromana, only daughter of John Forster, Bendigo,
and niece of Mrs. Gaff and G. Crawford, South Melbourne.
(P.1, Argus, 27-6-1895.)
This is why I needed my sunnies!
MORNINCTON.
(From Our Own Correspondent.)
MR FRED MELLOR'S .DEPARTURE.
Lovers of music and drama will
learn with.regret that Mr Fed Mellor
is about to leave the district after a res
idence of 8 1/2 years. He has been ap
pointed by the Education Department
to the Mitcham S. School, where no
doubt his versatile talents will speedily
bring him before the public and ngra
tiate him with the musical and dramatic
members of that community. Those of
us who knew him intimately fully ap.
preciate his exacting and painstaking
manner of conducting a performance
and to this sterling quality may be as.
cribed the splendid reception all his per
formances undoubtedly received. Mr
Mellor's leading principle is to set a
high standard demanding excellent ren
dition. It is pleasing on the eve of his
departure to review his work in this dis
trict and note how thoroughly he iden
tified himself with worthy local objects
such as improvements to Recreation
Grounds, Mechanics' Institutes, Athletic
etc. He first came here in 1891 and
as director of both the Mornington and
Dromana Comedy Coy. staged such
comedies and drama as "Not such a
fool as he looks", "Blow for Blow'"
"Our Boys", "Our Regiment" at Mor
nington, Frankston, Dromana, Rye, Sor
rento and Flinders, to which must be
added numbers of one act comedies and
operettas.
Mr Mellor makes a specialty of children's
concerts, and has staged some really de-.
lightful performances.
Owing to his departure the performance
of Pinafore, which he intended staging
this year, must be abandoned, which is a
matter for sincere regret, when we remem
ber the success of Trial by Jury. The or
chestra, under Mr Mellor's baton, has de
lighted many audiences with its splendid
rendering of high class overtures, and the
manner in which it has supplied the inci
dental music and accompaniments has cal-
led forth high encomiums of praise from
competent judges. It is hoped that Mr
Mellor's removal will prove as advanta
geous to him as expected, and that his
surroundings will be congenial to his
many talents. (P.3, Mornington Standard, 29-3-1900.)
There's plenty more on trove, about Box Hill etc, concerning this wonderful man. How his pupils would have loved him! I wonder if Hector Crawford inherited Mellor genes.

Frederick Hobley was a prominent member of the Victorian Police Force. The...

Frederick Hobley was a prominent member of the Victorian Police Force. The Chief Commissioner,who had come from Scotland Yard where forensic science was well developed,reorganised the Criminal Investigation Branch in 1938.Detective training courses, run by Frederick Hobley, were organised at the headquarters in Russell St, Melbourne. Frederick was an expert in photography and ballistics. He spent much of his time in investigating baffling cases and giving expert testimony in courts.(Trove.)
Frederick's father was William Henry Hobley, who was born at Schnapper Point(Mornington)on the Mornington Peninsula,Victoria,Australia in 1857. William married Elizabeth James at Main Creek (possibly Red Hill) on the Peninsula on 11-6-1884.By 1885 William and Elizabeth were settled at Rosebud on land for which William received the grant in 1890. The International Genealogical Index-Southwest Pacific shows that their first child, William Henry Hobley, was born there on 31-8-1885. Then followed George (2-2-1887),Ethel May (2-5-1889), Joseph (1-5-1894), Charles (9-8-1896), Frederick (4-10-1898), Elizabeth Violet (26-1-1901),Harold (20-6-1904)and Samuel (17-5-1906), all born at Rosebud. Their next child, Ernest, was born at Leongatha in Gippsland on 24-8-1908.A BIT MORE PEACEFUL THERE PERHAPS!

Dromana's beach was less shallow than Rosebud's and as a result the bay steamers could berth there and would carry a few passengers as well as cargo throughout the year, but in summer there would be a flood of tourists who filled the many guest houses in Dromana. Robert Henry Adams had a guest house at Adams Corner(Wattle Place on the car wash site) named after the Governor, Lord Hopetoun,who often stayed there on his way to the fort at Point Nepean. Other traps that transported tourists to Rosebud etc were driven by "Back Road Bob" Cairns and his sons, and William Hobley.
William had been transporting passengers since at least 1895 when he gained licences for three passenger and nine passenger stage coaches in the Dromana Court.In 1902 he won the contract to transport the mail between Rosebud and Mornington and his advertisements regarding parcels, passenger fares and departure times continued until 1904.
In that year William was unjustly accused of causing the flooding of the Hobson's Flat Road (otherwise known as the Back Road or Cape Schanck Rd, and now called Bayview Rd.) The area affected was west of the present Armstrong Rd where the properties of Back Road Bob (between Hobley's land and the present freeway) and Robert Henry Adams (across the Hobson's Flat road between The Avenue and Adams Ave) adjoined. Ex Councillor Robert Anderson said that the problem was caused by Hobley. This claim was denied by William and refuted by the Shire Engineer, William naming Cairns as the culprit and Moors hinting the same thing fairly strongly. (See Hobson Bay Drainage on trove, 1904.)
The Cairns/ Adams animosity came to a head in 1905 when Adams was charged with assaulting Cairns and his son, Godfrey.From the body of the court, Wiiliam Hobley offered evidence and stated that Adams had signs forbidding tresspass on his land but changed his mind when cross examined.(Trove.)
Frederick Hobley, a famous ex student of Rosebud State School, died on 5-6-1996.

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GEORGE AND OLLIE JOHNSTONE OF PURVES RD. NEAR MAIN CREEK, VIC., AUST. (YERING, SUNBURY?)

POSTSCRIPT, 21-1-2016. I have referred below to the Brady property Mount Evergreen being 21C Wannaeue (Melway 171 K10) but a sale advertisement makes it clear that Mount Evergreen was 6A and 6B Wannaeue south of Browns Rd and Melway 171 B-E12.

This journal arises from my journal HOW DID SARAH WILSON LEAD ME TO HENRY TUCK? Two years ago when I read Hec Hanson's MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN and saw the mention of George and Ollie,I assumed that George was related to William Johnstone, the grantee of 20C Wannaeue. Armed with genealogical information from Petronella Wilson's GIVING DESTINY A HAND, I realised that George Johnstone could not be a descendant of Sarah Wilson. Just to be sure, I contacted Christie Johnstone, son of the grantee's brother, Robert Henry Johnstone and Catherine, daughter of Henry Tuck Jnr. Christie confirmed that George Johnstone was not related and thought that George had lived near Red Hill.

Peter Wilson's THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO shows that Alex Cairns and Janet Dalgleish were married in Scotland. Their tenth and last child was Walter who married Florence Laughton. Their children were Edna,Jean and Olive.

Trove shows that Walter was involved with the Boneo cricket and tennis club and after the opening of the latter's court (1911,if I remember correctly), the members were entertained at Walter's property "Eureka". It also shows that he was later at Main Ridge. In 1910, Walter was assessed on 87 acres of Barker's and 103 acres, which should have been 143 acres being crown allotment 2, Wannaeue, granted to Alexander who called it (Menstries?) Main. In 1919, Mrs Helen Cairns had this property which was correctly described as 143 acres.

One genealogy page stated that Olive Millicent Cairns,born in 1908, married George Johnstone. The My Heritage page showing all Cairns-Sabine results has a photo of Ollie and shows that she died in 1990.

Diane Johnstone has a page which shows that George's father, George Johnston was born at Yering in 1866, married Sophia Harrison and died at Dromana in 1949. Now,there was a George Johnston at Sunbury in the early 1860's, who was granted land in the Buttlejork (west of Jacksons Creek) part of the town,wrote letters to the Melton Road Board and was appointed in 1865 as one of the trustees of land reserved for the Church of England at Sunbury. Then he seems to have disappeared. The fact that land on De Castella's estate at Yering, Victoria's first vineyard (as wikipedia puts it)was advertised in 1864 might have had something to do with his disappearance!

I have forgotten most of the information that I learned from I.W.Symonds BULLA BULLA, but I do remember that there were some prominent early vineyards at Sunbury: (Bubeck's?)on Vineyard Lane near The Gap, Eadie's Ben Eadie,and two run by politicians, Francis (Goonawarra) and James Stewart Johnston (Craiglee.)

MY MESSAGE TO DIANE JOHNSTONE.
I am more interested in George Johnston's son, George Johnstone. He could be the George Johnstone who married Olive Millicent Cairns (born to Walter Cairns and Florence, nee Laughton,in 1908) and had three children: Alexander, Heather and Ian. I write local history for family historians as itellya on family tree circles. My journal HOW SARAH WILSON LED ME TO HENRY TUCK concerns another Johnstone family which lived near Main Ridge on Shoreham Rd and Roberts Rd.

In MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN, Hec Hanson told an amusing tale about George and Ollie Johnston. " A lady from over on Purves Rd, Ollie Johnson (nee Cairns), used to come to the dances (at the Main Ridge hall) on her own.Her husband,George, didn't dance and would stay home with the kids.One night I got her up for a dance,and as we waltzed around the hall Cocko (Harold Wilson) flicked grass burrs in her direction. These would cling to her dress. We often wondered what George thought about this when she arrived home."

I will be mentioning in the above-mentioned journal that George was not descended from Sarah Wilson, whose daughter Matilda married William Johnson. (Their son, William changed the family name to Johnstone by deed poll.) However I will write a separate journal: GEORGE AND OLLIE JOHNSTONE OF PURVES ROAD NEAR ROSEBUD, VICTORIA to provide background information about the Cairns, Haughton etc families. I wonder if George Johnston's wife was related to the family of Alf Harrison after which Harrisons Rd near Dromana was named.

DIANE'S REPLY.
That would be him. A few of the Johnston(e) clan moved to Main Ridge area from Gruyere, Colstream, Lilydale area. My grandfather was George's brother and Aunty Ol' a lovely lady. I will pass the anecdote above to Alec, I'm sure he'll love it. I will see what I can find out about Harrison. I've never found anything connecting her to Alf Harrison though. Thank you for the invitation to your information, it is hugely appreciated.


AN EMAIL FROM GEORGE AND OLLIE'S SON, ALEX.
Hi
I am the Alex Johnstone you referred to in the email to Diane Howden . I am the son of George and Olive (nee Cairns) . With reference to your �How Wilson led me to Tuck� I have a great deal of curiosity as to how Walter Cairns my grandfather. The only one to marry of a large family living in what was at the time a backwater of Boneo met and married Florrie Laughton a member of a well off family ( Laughtons Foundry creswick st. Footscray) I believe the main connection to Melb at the time would be by steamer up the bay.

There in must lay a story the truth of which I guess I will never learn.

I have read the book by Hec Hansen (I have vague memories of him) that was the first I heard of the burr incident when i read the book.

There has been considerable research done on the Cairns family by Ray Cairns also a Google search of the Cairns family of Boneo will reveal that nearly everyone on the southern peninsular was related at some early stage.

As for the Wilson�s were they from what I have been led to believe Wilson, Cairns. Purvis, Rowley and a number of old families that are all related in some form or other

I will try to send this email and if you receive it and if you feel I may be able to help in your search just ask the question and I will endeavor to answer.

MY SECOND REPLY.
I now believe that the connection between Walter Cairns and Flo Laughton took place at Flinders. William Brent married Flo's sister, Elizabeth (Bessie.) W.C.Brent was on the Flinders Park committee of management by 1896 and was in the area until about 1910. After David Cairns* fell from a wagon while intoxicated and was partly paralysed, his missus ran a boarding house in Flinders for a long time, so Walter probably met Flo during a visit to Flinders.

*While I was looking in my THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO notes for details of David's accident and the tenure in the boarding house, I found something that confirms my theory about Walter and Flo meeting at Flinders.

It was Blacks Camp Davey (1842-1923) who was involved in the accident. He was the second child and son of David Cairns and Janet Thompson who had married in Scotland,and married Elizabeth Russell. During his teens he had driven the cart for Benjie Shaw (who later established the Kangerong guest house in Dromana.) Then his early connection with Flinders started, with David working for Sam Tuck, stock riding for the Barkers (Boneo and Flinders), and breaking horses for Robert Anderson (Barragunda at Cape Schanck and much land in the parish of Flinders.) He also worked on the Cape Schanck lighthouse, South Channel Fort, and for T.B.Muntz on Main Creek Rd.

After David's accident in 1897,the Blacks' Camp property (probably crown allotment 29, parish of Fingal, of 52 acres 2 roods and 25 perches opposite the Cape Schanck turn off, granted to D.Cairns on 19-1-1888) was sold and he and Elizabeth started the Oaklands guest house in Flinders which was finally sold in 1919.

Walter (1870-1956) was, as stated earlier, the son of Alexander Cairns and Janet (nee Dalgleish.) Not surprisingly,he had a sister named Janet (1859-1909) who married William Brent and was buried at Flinders. Just in case you thought that William Brent was a bigamist, I'd better point out that Janet married William C.Brent the Flinders Park trustee, not the bloke that married Bessie Laughton.

Family Notices
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 20 August 1909 p 1 Family Notices
DEATHS.. BRENT. - On the 16th August, Janet, the dearly beloved wife of W. C. Brent, and mother of J. R. and A. C. Brent, of Flinders, aged 49 years and 5 ... 1115 words

ALEX JOHNSTONE'S REPLY TO MY FIRST REPLY.
My first reply outlined the many Wilson families including those of Sarah Wilson and the unrelated Henry William Wilson, who both started on the Survey, Ray Cairns' birth at his great grandma Neville's at South Melbourne (her daughter had married Michael Cain; hence Neville St on the Cains' Tyrone) etc. Then I asked:

1.Where was George and Ollie's property in Purves Rd in relation to the Purves' Green Hills and the Brady property Mount Evergreen?
2.Also, how big was it and what kind of farming was done?
3.I know that Walter Cairns' property at Boneo was called "Eureka".
(a) Was this crown allotment 2 Wannaeue, including the cemetery?
(b) Was his later property at Main Ridge the one where George and Ollie lived and if not, where was it?

THE REPLY(with my comments in italics.)
Thanks XXX for the info re Wattie & Flo It seems like the probable turn of events.

I have formed a few conclusions, maybe quite likely wrong over the years that I will run past you. Firstly I feel that the Cairns family bought some wealth with them from Scotland,(1) Elizabeth’s limestone house at Rosebud Hospital. (2)Edna ( Watties eldest Daughter) & Ned Edmonds limestone house with substantial annex near the Boneo hall.(3) Ray and Charlie’s substantial houses at the Schanck (4) Watties 2 room limestone house at Purves Rd , with substantial annex , furnished with high value cedar and marble topped furniture , even fitted out for gas lighting. Not the picture of pioneer families usually presented, (ie) Slab huts and bullock drays hard work and deprivation. The exception to this seems to be the now non existent Eureka. I believe to have been on the left of Boneo Rd 5 or so Km past the Boneo school. Somewhere opposite a property once owned by Lou Gaffer. The Edmonds place extended from Browns Rd up to and included the cemetery. I believe it would have been inherited from the original settler family , I think it also included the large bald hill , now a vineyard, at the end of Duels rd ,later sold to Bert Herman by Ned and Edna.

MONEY. It is likely that Robert Cairns brought some money from Clackmannan when he came out in 1852, as his wife's parents,the Drysdales (pioneers on the other side of the bay)would seem to have done as well. (The mention of Jean White,later in the reply is interesting because Robert White Senior, father of Blooming Bob White and grandfather of Bullocky Bob White, i.e.Robert James>Robert White, came from Clackmannan too and if I remember correctly, his wife's maiden name was Cairns.All the details of this are in my HILL HILLIS journal and Family Tree Circle's toolaroo is about to publish a book about the family.) Robert was intending to farm on Little Scotland (crown allotment 2 section A Wannaeue on the north east corner of Boneo and Browns Rds)but soon turned to lime burning which was so profitable that he was able to assist his brothers, Alex and David to come out in 1854. I believe that their initial capital was greatly increased by this trade , and that the dispersal from Little Scotland and increased emphasis on farming in the 1870's, was due to increased competition from limestone quarries closer to Melbourne, such as at Lilydale. While all the descendants managed to buy land, they were comfortable rather than rich and poor, with David's James of Alva Hill becoming rabbit inspector for the shire and his brother Harry was known as Carrier Harry, and the farming being mainly of the subsistence variety apart from when a contract could be won, such as supplying chaff for cabmen's horses to Stringer's store at Sorrento.

HOUSES. 1.The house at the Rosebud hospital, where Elizabeth died was Eleanora and has heritage protection. See Mornington Peninsula Shire Heritage Study which contains a photo and historical information but not the name. This is on 13AB section A Wannaeue, bounded by the highway, Boneo Rd, Eastbourne Rd and almost Chinaman's Creek,which was purchased by Eleanora Davey and William in the early 1900's, Davey building Eleanora and William in 1919 being assessed on 64 acres of 13AB*.
(*13B of section A Wannaeue, now housing the shops, bottleshop and possibly the medical superclinic at the west corner of Boneo Rd, consisted of 5 acres and from about 1920 was known as Martin's Corner because of Martin's shop which probably still serves as the Blue Mini cafe.)

2.EDNA AND NED EDMONDS'. This was crown allotment 3, section A, parish of Wannaeue, of 143 acres 2 roods and 16 perches at the north west corner of Boneo and Browns Rds with frontages of 718 and 800 metres respectively. This was granted to Walter's father, Alex (and R.Amos, who according to the late Ray Cairns never came to Australia.)
In the last available rate record of 1919, Miss Helen Cairns ((1869-1946) of Boneo, daughter of Alex and sister of Walter, was assessed on 144 acres (c/a 3, A, Wannaeue, this property) and 135 acres(part 13A, section B,Wannaeue.) The 135 acre property would have been the land, mentioned later by Alex, at the end of Duell's Rd. Crown allotment 13A is between the end of Duells Rd (the midpoint of the western boundary) and Purves Rd,indicated roughly by Melway B-F 8 (bottom half) and 9 (top half.)It is likely that this land adjoined Quamby but as the parish map has no acreage for 13A, I can' be sure.

In 1921, Helen and Walter's brother, William, had 64 acres at Martin's Corner but was probably living on "121 acres part 20A, section B, Wannaeue "(probably the whole of 21C, the Brady family's Mount Evergreen, sold when William Brady died and his wife, Rosa nee Roberts, moved back to Rosebud near her beloved Methodist Church.) Mount Evergreen was at Melway 171 K 10,172 A 10.

3. Maroolaba, near Pattersons Rd. I think there's a photo of this in LIME LAND LEISURE. When the grant was obtained the cost of the house (and other improvements) came off the purchase price according to the late Ray Cairns. Details in my transcript TALKING HISTORY WITH RAY CAIRNS.
4.WATTIE'S ON PURVES RD. This was QUAMBY and was south of Davos St (not Davies Lane), according to later information in Alex's email. It was probably west of the bend in Purves Rd (Melway 171 F 9-10.)
5. EUREKA.At about 5km south of the Boneo school, Eureka would be at approximately Melway 259 part C, D1 or 2, on land granted to William or James Patterson or nearer the Cape Schanck turn off,"Blacks Camp" David Cairn's grant, crown allotment 29 Fingal of 52 acres 2 roods and 25 perches. Walter might have bought David's grant after the latter's accident in 1897.(See near end for details about Walter's time on Eureka.



The transition from Eureka to Purves Rd (Quamby) I suspect again was the result of an inheritance of some sort around the 1910 -1920 period .approx 80 acres Here lived Florrie, Wattie and Daughter Olive . The properties Green hills and Mt Evergreen ring no bells with me.
This 80 acre property, Quamby, may have adjoined, or been part of, the 135 acre property on which Walter's sister, Helen was assessed in 1919. As Helen did not die until 1946, it is more likely that the 80 acre Quamby adjoined the 135 acre property at the end of (and obviously accessed by) Duells Rd.

Enter George Johnstone. He purchased around 180 acres next door to Quamby (Arthurs Seat side)including what is now called Davies Lane around the 1930,s from Jimmy Purves. Nature took its course and a marriage looked like happening between George and Ollie. George lived in a shed so decided a house was required so got a brick mould and built a wheel barrow , found a sandy bank at the headwaters of the Drum Drumolock? creek and made the bricks to build a 4 room house opposite the Pig and Whistle cafe on Purves Rd.

The Pig and Whistle (which the owner told me used to be a dairy farm) is at Melway 171G8,directly across Purves Rd from Davos St, which is virtually the southern boundary of 29AB Wannaeue, whose northern boundary is 84 metres south of the Wilsons Rd corner.

lot7- Green Hills being Allotments 29A and 29B, parish of Wannaeue, county of Mornington, containing 301 acres 1 rood 20 perches agricultural and grazing land fenced and subdivided, timber rung and partly cleared, well adapted for orchards, prettily situated in the Arthurs Seat Range from which is obtained extensive views of the bay and Southern Ocean.
(P.2, Argus, 25-3-1891. Sale of the estate of Prof. Hearn of Heronswood, Column 6.)

The Purves would have been leasing Green Hills before the sale because it was while they were building the dairy there in about 1888 that some aborigines scared the living daylights out of two young girls at Tootgarook, as detailed in MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN. Thus it was the southern 180 acres of Green Hills that became George Johnstone's farm. George would have got the material for his bricks at Melway 171 D8, the headwatersof the Drum Drum Alloc Creek.


Along came Alex , Heather and Ian. Wattie and Florrie became older and George and Ollie purchased Quamby. Wattie and Florrie then moved over to middle daughter Jean Whites place on Main Creek RD The substancial house on Quamby fell into disrepair and is now unfortunately non existent.

Couple of other things , I can remember Hec Hansen and I think Alf Hansen shooting kangaroos off horse back with high powered rifles in the Waterfall gully area.I also have a cup, legend has it,that was won by a horse Wattie owned at the Boneo racecourse situated opposite Ken Spunner's (Bunnings)

I'm looking for references to the racecourse and Eureka, but none of the reports or advertisements mention the farm's name except the tennis court opening.
TO STAND THIS SEASON AT Walter Cairns' Farm, Boneo, THE ROADSTER STALLION TIT WILLOW.
(P.3, Mornington Standard, 21-9-1907.) In the summer of 1904-5, Rajah the 20 race winner from India stood at Eureka in between stints at Brady's Mount Evergreen and Randall's Hindhope (the Rosebud Plaza site east to First Avenue and including Hope St.)Walter won prizes at the Dromana and Flinders shows for tomatoes, vegetables and fat lambs.

Tennis. OPENING OF BONEO COURT. After being unavoidably postponed for some time, the opening of the Boneo tennis court was held on Saturday, April 8th. There was a good attendance, and the weather was all that could be desired. The opening set was played by the secretary (Miss Cairns) and Mrs W. Cairns again Miss A. Baker and Miss E. Cairns, the latter coming off victorious after some exciting play. Several sets were played, and the vice-president (Mr E. Cairns) in a short speech declared the court open. Afternoon tea was then served. The President (Mr Richard Baker) was not able to attend, as he is convalescent after a severe illness, but all expressed the hope that he would soon be about again. A very enjoyable evening was spent at 'Eureka,' the residence of Mr Walter Cairns. (P.3,Mornington Standard, 22-7-1911.)


Eureka was opposite a property owned by Lou Gaffer.
Mr. J. Gafer, of Boneo Rd., advised council that he has leased a portion of property, and desires to use a portion of swamp for the purpose of in tense culture. The council will ascertain the legal position re the right to drain.(P.10,Standard, Frankston,11-4-1946.)

All what I have entered here as facts come with the proviso that you are able to cross reference them with info from another source

I hope it all makes sense and fills in some spaces for you, If I can be of further assistance just ask

Regards

Alex







JOHNSTONE BROTHERS OF DARUM AND THEIR LAND NEAR BONEO????

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GEORGE BURSTON OF FITZROY AND ARTHURS SEAT (VIC., AUST.) and Shirley Holmes, Red Hill legend.

CAN PARISH MAPS BE WRONG? OH YES THEY CAN.
Anyone can make a mistake and copyists in the Lands Department could be excused for accidentally writing 297 instead of 279 when there is so much,often microscopic, detail to copy. That's what seems to have happened to crown allotment 4,section 3, parish of Kangerong, Robert Caldwell's "Dromana Hill",later known as Fairy Vineyard.

POSTSCRIPT. Boundary dimensions were given in links(hundredths of a chain or 20.1168 centimetres) and were written in almost microscopic numerals.These would have been clear enough on original paper maps unless a copyist had slightly smudged them, but in a photocopy of a photocopy the number of links seems to be different every time you look at it or change the angle of the magnifying glass. I have stated below that the southern boundary of crown allotment 4, section 3, Kangerong was 2258 links,but the online map showed that it was 3500 links. As a result the area of this allotment is probably correct.

The following was originally written in an email about Tar Barrel Corner but is deemed to warrant a journal.

I called in on Keith Holmes while I was at Bentons Square and in the short time available before he headed off to get laser treatment on his eyes, I showed him the comments under my post 1940 and Back To journal re the date and venue because he had not yet been contacted about it. Seems very keen and was looking forward to reading the three Cleine comments with his newly lasered eyes after his appointment.

I thought I had read that Keith's wife, Shirley,was a McIlroy*,so I checked and found that she was a Burston. Keith answered in the affirmative when I asked if she was related to George Burston and added that George had a house in Dromana.

*I had read it, not in a dream or Hill 'n' Ridge as I had thought but in an email about the location of some former hill and ridge residents and I quote:
Back again xxx,

Just a few thoughts that I hope may be helpful. I think that Keith Holmes wife Shirley may have been a McIlroy, but not sure.

I am sure that Hec Hanson mentioned the Burstons in MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN. (There's an index at the end.)

In the Shire of Flinders rate record of 1919- 1920, George Burston of Fitzroy was assessed on land in the central riding as follows:
189 acres part c/a 4, s(section) 3K (Kangerong); 80 acres c/a 25 c W (Wannaeue); 440 acres c/a 28A and 28B.

In the West Riding, George was assessed on:
268 acres part c/a 1, 2, section B,W. and 100 acres part c/a 2, section B, W.

Description of George Burston's land.
In 1919-20,George had apparently not yet bought his house in Dromana. In 1875, the rate record of the newly formed shire of Flinders and Kangerong consisted of about 10 pages at the most but by 1919 many farms had been subdivided and Dromana (town) residents were listed on pages 102 to 112 with the Kangerong Estate on page 113 and central riding farms from page 114 to 134 where the Dromana Estate started.

CROWN ALLOTMENT 4, SECTION 3, KANGERONG (Melway 159 J-K 9-12.189 acres part c/a 4, s(section)3 K.)
Consisting of 297 acres 2 roods and 29 perches, this was granted to Robert Caldwell (after whom Caldwell Rd was named) who also received the grant to crown allotment 10B.

Crown allotment 4 was bounded on the west by the wedge shaped town common, cum gravel reserve, (which ran from a spot over Boundary Rd from Jetty Rd to Arthurs Seat Rd. The remaining vestige of the wedge shape of this reserved land, now part of Arthurs Seat State Park, can be seen in Melway 159 H-J 11-12 . The width and southern extent of c/a 4 was exactly that of the quarry property shaded grey. The c/a 6 grants of "Simon the Belgian" as Colin McLear put it,(H.B.Simon, after whom Simon's Cutting was named) fronted the road reserve south of the quarry land.

Crown allotment 4 also contained the streets east of Hillview Quarry Rd to about 205 Boundary Rd. This estate was possibly subdivided by Dromana's whirlwind Progress Association president, Spencer Jackson, ,judging by the name of Jacksons Way, after his sales of the Foreshore Estate (on Lou Carrigg's former Racecourse and footy ground land behind the Dromana Hotel) and the Panorama Estate (where streets names indicated a view of Mt Macedon and the You Yangs) in 1927.

Which portion of c/a 4 did George own or occupy. Its Boundary Rd frontage was 4000 links(half a mile or 800 metres but because of the wedge shape of the gravel reserve,the southern boundary was 2258 links*.The depth of c/a 4 was 8100 links. The depth of the estate is 35 chains (3500 links) and the boundary between the estate and the grey quarry land is 39 chains. The depth of the estate (3500 links) multiplied by its mean width (3950 links) gives a result of 136.5 acres.
(*As stated in the POSTSCRIPT above, the southern boundary was 3500 links, not 2258 so the surveyor's very complicated calculation of crown allotment 3 is probably very close to the mark. Alterationsin thecalculation are in bold type.

The quarry land has a mean depth of 4650 links (half of the sum of 4500 links and 4800 links) and a mean width of 3700 links (half of the sum of 3900+ 3500). Length by width gives a result of 172 acres. If we add these two calculated areas, there is a total of 308 acres, about 10 acres MORE than stated on the parish map.
.*

However it is clear that George had land in both present portions of crown allotment 4. Were the streets named after counties and Anne named because of George Burston, Spencer Jackson or some later owner?

* It is possible that the surveyor wrongly calculated the area of crown allotment 4 (called Dromana Hill by Robert Caldwell and Fairy Vineyard by coachbuilders Elliot and Stevenson). The town common and c/a 4 form a rectangle adjoining the east boundary of "Gracefield" (Bryan's Cutting.) The northern boundary was 6 chains (the common) plus 40 chains ("Dromana Hill") making a total of 46 chains. The depth was fairly constant at 81 chains. This gives an area of 372.6 acres.

As stated, the combined calculated area of the town common and Dromana Hill was 372.6 acres. The online map describes the town common as crown allotment 4A but does not give its acreage. Relying on my paper map is risky but it does seem to describe the gravel reserve as consisting of 91 acres and two roods. If we deduct this from the combined 372.6 acres, the acreage of Dromana Hill would seem to be 281.1 acres, fairly close to the total of the housing estate and Hillview Quarry land (279.7 acres) and far short of the 297 acres on the parish map.

CROWN ALLOTMENT 25c WANNAEUE.(80 acres c/a 25 c W .)
This (sort of)triangular allotment, consisting of 79a. 2r. 16p, was granted to the Freehold, Investment and Banking Company of Aust. on 25-6-1905. Across Purves Rd from Seawinds and fronting Arthurs Seat Rd.,it is indicated by Melway 171 F-G1 and some of F2.

CROWN ALLOTMENTS 28a AND 28b, WANNAEUE. (440 acres c/a 28A and 28B.)
GET TO BED!

2 comment(s), latest 2 years, 8 months ago

GEORGE DODD OF KEILOR, VIC., AUST., AND HIS BROTHERS (AND SISTER, BRIDGET.)

This journal arose from my effort to find out about Robert Dodd who had married Robert McDougall's daughter Maggie. I suspected that he was George Dodd's son. Little did I know that George had come out with at least two brothers-and a sister! When I was compiling Dodd/ Delahey information from the three Keilor historical souvenirs I had not come across Ray Dodd's research and it turns out that he arrived with his mother, four brothers and three sisters.

On Monday, at the ordinary meeting of
the shire council of Darebin, the presi-
dent formally announced the death of
Cr. Dodd, and moved, " That this council
adjourn for one week out of respect to
the memory of the late councillor, Robert
Dodd
, and that an entry he recorded in the
minutes expressive of this council's in-
tense regret at the loss of one of its
oldest members and brightest ornaments."
The resolution was carried unanimously.
The following resolution was also carried : —
"That a copy of the foregoing resolution,
under the seal of the council, be forwarded
to the two brothers of the deceased, viz.,
Cr. Geo. Dodd, of Keilor Shire Council, and
Mr. William Dodd, formerly member of the
late Epping Road Board
, and that the presi-
dent be requested to forward a letter of con-
dolence to those gentlemen, expressing to
them the heartfelt sympathies of this council
for their sad bereavement." (P.2, The Age, 18-5-1876.)

THE DAREBIN COUNCILLOR'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number5425 Registration year1876
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesRobert SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnane) Place of birthIREL Place of death Age56 Spouse's family nameJOYCE Spouse's given namesAnne

Robert Dodd had married Ann Joyce* in 1850.
EventMarriage Event registration number791 Registration year1850
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesRobert SexMale Spouse's family nameJOYCE Spouse's given namesAnne

HIS DEATH NOTICE.
DODD.—On the 7th inst, at his residency, Epping,
Mr. Robert Dodd, much respected R.I.P. (P.1, Argus, 8-5-1876.)

After Robert's death, Ann remarried as indicated by a death notice I found while investigating whether George Dodd's missing brother might be named John.

DODD.— On the 9th August at the residence of his
stepfather, G. A. Saxe, No. 91 Johnston-street,
Fitzroy, John Dodd son of the late Robert Dodd, of
Epping, of congestion of the lungs, aged 27 years.(P.1, The Age, 10-8-1882.)

ANN'S SECOND MARRIAGE.
EventMarriage Event registration number1396 Registration year1879
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesAnnie SexFemale Spouse's family nameSAXE Spouse's given namesGeorge Augustus


Advertisement giving details of Robert Dodd's Epping farms. Neither of his brothers were executors.
Trove


BROTHER GEORGE; NOTE PARENTS.
EventDeath Event registration number4891 Registration year1884
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesGeorge SexUnknown Father's nameWm Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnan) Place of birth Place of deathKEILOR Age74 Spouse's family nameCOFFEE Spouse's given namesMary

BROTHER WILLIAM.
Well, for Victorian BDM, 2 out of 3 aint bad!
As it was not unknown for migrations of pioneers to take them farther from Melbourne along the same arterial roads, such as pioneers near Moorabbin moving to the Mornington Peninsula, it is possible that William moved from Epping to Alexandra in the 1870's and that this is the obituary of his son.

THE STANDARD
-Friday, May 1, 1942
The death occurred in Melbourne
on April 23, of Mr. William Dodd,
at the age of 77 years. Deceased
was a well known identity of Alex
andra and district, having come to
Alexandra with his parents, Mr.
and Mrs. William Dodd, and lived
here until a few months ago. He
was well respected throughout the
Shire. WM JNR

WILLIAM JNR'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number3931 Registration year1942
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesWilliam SexMale Father's nameDODD William Mother's nameMary (Barrett) Place of birthCAMPBELLFIELD Place of deathNORTHCOTE Age77

See the proximity of Campbellfield and Epping on Melway maps 180-1. The place of birth given was usually where the birth was registered.

WILLIAM JNR'S BIRTH RECORD.
EventBirth Event registration number20753 Registration year1865
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesWilliam SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameMary (Barrett) Place of birthCAMP.

Bearing in mind that there is not yet definite proof that William Snr was the brother of George and Robert, the family had arrived in the early 1840's and he married Mary Barrett in 1854.
EventMarriage Event registration number3318 Registration year1854
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesWilliam SexMale Spouse's family nameBARRETT Spouse's given namesMary

INTERESTINGLY, there was a Cr. Barrett at Keilor in 1907.
KEILOR SHIRE COUNCIL.
The monthly meeting of the above was
held on Saturday last, when there were
present Crs. Taylor (President), Dela-
hey, Harrick, McNabb, O'Neill, Dodd,
and Barrett. (P.3, Sunbury News, 13-4-1907.)

GEORGE DODD'S SISTER.
McIntyre Road honours James McIntyre an early grantee in the parish of Cut Cut Paw across the river from the south west corner of the Dodd/ Delahey land in section 10, Doutta Galla so my eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw that a Bridget Dodd had married James McEntyre. (Don't the Victorian BDM typists proof read their work? Perhaps that's how it was written in the original document and they have to reproduce it exactly.) Notice her parents are as for Robert and George.

EventDeath Event registration number5710 Registration year1885
Personal information
Family nameMCINTYRE Given namesBridget SexUnknown Father's nameDodd Wm Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnan) Place of birth Place of deathMAIDSTONE Age65 Spouse's family nameMCINTYRE Spouse's given namesJames

History of the Keilor Hotel
George Dodd arrived in Australia in 1840 aboard the sailing ship Andromache. The colony was 5 years old with a population of just 5000 people He travelled with his mother, three brothers and four sisters. He was 25 years old and single, a stonemason from King’s County Ireland.
He became head quarryman supplying stone to build the first Princess bridge, that bridge was demolished in 1891 (the year of George’s death) to make way for the current Princess bridge. He scoured the colony to find a suitable quarry and ended up in Keilor. The quarry is still operating today (160 years later*) and naturally he built the first stone house in Keilor. He raised money and oversaw the building in stone of St Augustine’s Church in Keilor.

*That must have been the Niddrie Quarry.
Valley Lake - Places Victoria
www.places.vic.gov.au/land-and-housing/valley-lake
During the 1970s the Niddrie Quarry in Melbourne's north western suburbs ceased operating and remained vacant for several decades.


George established the first school in Keilor, several years later Mathew Goudie opened a school in the Keilor Hotel. Mathew was a Scottish baker from Ayr who had previously run a bakers shop in Bourke St. Mathew purchased the Keilor Hotel in 1862 for the sum of 1000 pounds, it had been built in 1849, succeeding a timber building erected in 1842 by the Hunter brothers.

Georges son, John, married Mathews daughter, Mary, they had five children and established a farm called Brimbank (because the house was on the brim of the river bank). Today the areas of Keilor and Sunshire are the City of Brimbank.

After Mathew passed away another of his daughters, Jane, ran the Hotel to 1907 when the family decided to lease the Hotel out. Tough times followed with World war 1 and the Great Depression, John & Mary’s son Harry could remember collecting the money from the leasee and picking up 1 keg of beer from Bouverie St in his fathers horse drawn wagon, the keg could last 2 weeks before they had to make another delivery.

Post World War 2 prosperity returned to Keilor and to the only surviving hotel in the area (there were a dozen during the Gold Rush). Now the older generations of the Dodd and Goudie families had passed away, Harry preferred to remain a market gardener and it wasn’t until 1974 that Harry’s son Ray leased the Hotel from the family.

Over the next 20 years Ray managed to acquire all the shares in the Hotel. The clock had turned full circle and he was in the same position as his Great Grand Father was in 1862 but with the responsibility to carry on the tradition of Hospitality left by his family.

When I was asked to comment on the proposal to name a new suburb DELAHEY, I was pleased to offer information in support.
Delahey, Victoria
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
History
Delahey originally contained several farming properties. The Government acquired the land in the mid-to-late 1980s[2] for re-subdivision as mostly residential properties. The suburb is named after William Delahey, who whilst still a baby, had arrived from Ireland with his parents and siblings Henry Delahey and Mary (née Dodd) in June 1840. Mr. William Delahey had been connected with the Keilor Shire Council for eighteen years and was elected as president during the year 1882–83. The suburb's name was formally adopted in 1994.

The Dodd/ Delahey clan included several other pioneering Catholic families such as the McCormacks, and through them, Maurice Crotty of Broomfield (now the Tullamarine Industrial Estate whose main thoroughfare is Tullamarine Park Rd) and the daughter of William O'Neil of "Horseshoe Bend". Ann Delahey married Patrick McCormack. I hope they had a good reunion! Any Crottys would have told the story of Maurice Crotty's wife racing to Corryong and saving the life of her brother(s?) by placing her body in the way of aborigines from Keilor intent on revenge. The Fitzpatricks of today's Avondale Heights, accessed then by North Pole Road, were also related. The McCoormacks had fled Tasmania to escape arrest for smuggling in Catholic priests according to a Crotty descendant (Glen Cotchen?)who said the McCormack property was Chesterfield of 44 acres south of Annandale Rd to about today's Lambeck Drive, which they would have been leasing from George Annand.

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-VIC/2000-01/0948372535
Subject: McCormack Family Reunion - Looking for relatives - Keilor
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:48:55 +1100


Sorry I can't help myself I'm very excited - we are finally organising a
family reunion. I would love to hear from any of the descendants of the
families listed below. The family first came to Victoria in about 1850
after spending 12 years or so in Tasmania. They settled in the Keilor
District and many of the family married into other local pioneering
families. Many of the family memebers also spend a lot of time up on the
high country around Corryong/Omeo and lived on a station called
Begry/Biggera.

If any of these names around the Keilor district mean anything to you please
drop me a line.

MARY MCCORMACK was born Abt. 1826 in Co Westmeath, IRL, and died 6 October
1887 in Tullamarine, Vic, AUS. She married MAURICE JAMES CROTTY 11 February
1861 at the House Of Mr McCormack, Keilor, Vic, AUS, son of MICHAEL CROTTY
and BRIDGET HAYES.
Their children were: MICHAEL PATRICK CROTTY (m. JOHANNA FITZGERALD, JAMES
MAURICE CROTTY (m. ELLEN CATHERINE FITZPATRICK) & MARY ANNE CROTTY (m. JOHN
QUINLAN)

PATRICK MCCORMACK was born Abt. 1829 in Co Westmeath, IRL, and died 22
January 1894 in Hoddle Street, Melbourne, Vic, AUS. He married ANN DELAHEY
Abt. 1860, daughter of HENRY DELAHEY and MARY DODD.
Patrick & Ann did not have any children.

JAMES MCCORMACK was born Abt. 1831 in Co Westmeath, IRL, and died 12 January
1916 in Tylden, Vic, AUS. He married MARY ANN O'NEIL 3 December 1860 in
Keilor, Vic, AUS at the Home Of William O'Neil, daughter of WILLIAM O'NEIL
and BRIDGET GORMAN.
Their children were: PATRICK WILLIAM MCCORMACK (m. MARGARET STOCKDALE),
SARAH ANN MCCORMACK (m. CHARLES GEORGE BARR), JAMES MCCORMACK (m. CATHERINE
ELIZABETH SMITH), DAVID NEIL MCCORMACK (m. LOUISA MARIA HILL), EDWARD ALFRED
MCCORMACK (m. BARBARA ANN MCDONALD), HENRY MCCORMACK (m. MARY ANN SMITH),
ALICE BRIDGET MCCORMACK (m. EDMOND CUSACK), FRANCIS JOHN MCCORMACK, GEORGE
MCCORMACK (m. EMILY ELLEN DONOVAN), SYDNEY FRANCIS MCCORMACK, CHARLES
STANLEY MCCORMACK (m. ABENA LILLLIAN WILSON), EMMA MARY EVELYN MCCORMACK &
EDITH GERTRUDE MCCORMACK (m. ARTHUR SMITH).

Kind regards
Karen
Melbourne, Australia


The Dodds and Delaheys seem to have run Oakleigh Park as a partnership.

ELECTION NOTICE.-KEILOR DISTRICT
ROAD BOARD.-I hereby give notice that the
following persons have been duly NOMINATED, in
accordance with the clause No 84 of the Local Govern-
ment Act, as CANDIDATES for the office of members
at the election for this district to be holden on the
11th August, 1804.
Patrick Phelan, Spring Park
Gcorgo Dodd, Oakleigh Park.
Dugald McPhail, South Park.
The number of members to be elected is two.
The election will be held at the Court-house,
Keilor, on Thursday the 11th August inst., commencing
at 8 a.m. , and closing at 4 p.m.
TOWNSEND SOMERVILLE, Returning Officer.
Keilor, August 4 (P.3, Argus, 9-8-1864.)

DELAHEY. -On the 12th inst., at her residence,
Oakleigh Park Keilor, Mrs. Mary Delahey, aged 65
years. RI.P. (P.1, Argus, 13-9-1876.)

I'm not sure exactly what the eastern boundary of Oakleigh Park was. Was it just in c/a 10 or did it include land in c/a 11A. But I know exactly where Shelton Farm was.

The Dodd and Delahey families owned the northern two thirds of crown allotments of crown allotment 11A Doutta Galla (between Milleara Rd and the line of Westleigh Place)and land west from there to the river in c/a 10, but I was puzzled to find an assessment for one of the Delaheys for land on 11B. This land,bounded by Milleara, Clarks and Rachelle Rds and Buckley St had been purchased by John Pascoe Fawkner and sold to his co-op. members, part of it housing Dr Crooke's sanitorium for a while, but eventually about two thirds of it became John Beale's "Shelton". When John retired to "Shelton" in Ardmillan Rd, Moonee Ponds, James Anderson, another Keilor pioneer, occupied the "North Pole Road" farm during the first half of the 1890's and Henry Delahey probably succeeded him when Anderson moved to James Wilson's old farm on the west side of today's Hoffman's Rd.

DELAHEY.—On the 18th April, at the residence
of his son, Mr. H. Delahey, "Shelton Farm,"
North Pole road, Keilor, William Delahey, aged
89 years. Requiescat in pace. (P.1, Argus, 20-4-1908.)

See c/a's 10, 11A and 11B on the first of the Doutta Galla Parish maps. The Lauricella and Graco closer settlement farms were part of the Dodd and Delahey 588 acre grant of c/a 10. You will also see the Fitzpatrick farm at the end of North Pole Rd.
DOUTTA GALLA

GEORGE DODD'S MOTHER AND SIBLINGS.
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Loughnane - Birr, Co. Offaly Ireland
cathie (View posts)
Posted: 15 Jan 2001 11:01AM
I'm doing a little research on my great-great- great grandmother who was Margaret Loughnane.

According to the 1821 census at Ballybrit Barony. Margaret was 37, and married to William Dodd aged 39. They had 8 children George (15), Mary* (14), John (12), Margaret (10), Bridget (8), Robert (7), William (4), and Jane (2).
(*AHA! It was Mary, George's sister, who married Henry Delahey Snr., joint grantee with George of section 10, Doutta Galla. Her death record shows that she had the same parents as George Dodd and his brothers Robert and William. Her birth place was possibly King's County, Ireland.

EventDeath Event registration number9285 Registration year1876
Personal information
Family nameDELAHEY Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameDodd William Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnane) Place of birthKING Place of death Age65 Spouse's family nameDELAHEY Spouse's given namesHenry)


John married Mary McSweeney* and came to Australia in 1840.
(Hoping to find where George's brother John had died, I found Mary's death record but as Murphy's Law would dictate, the one detail missing was her place of death!
EventDeath Event registration number5288 Registration year1859
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameMcsweeney John Mother's nameEliza (Horan) Place of birthKIN Place of death Age38 Spouse's family nameDODD Spouse's given namesJohn

Despite the lack of a given name in the funeral notice of John Dodd's wife and the lack of a death notice, I believe the whereabouts of George Dodd's third brother has been found.

Funeral notice.
THE Friends of Mr. JOHN DODD are respectfully
invited to follow the remains of his late wife to
the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery
The funeral to move from his residence, Yarra Falls
near Dight's Mills, to-morrow, Friday, at 2 o'clock
p.m.
JOHN DALEY, undertaker, La Trobe and Spring
streets, Melbourne. Page 8, Argus, 15-9-1859.

Funeral Notice.
THE Friends of Mr. JOHN DODD are respectfully
invited to follow the remains of his late son, John,
to the place of Internment, Melbourne General Ceme-
tery. The funeral to move from his residence. Yarra
Falls, near Dight's Mills, this day, Friday, 25th inst,
at 3 o'olock p.m.
JOHN DALEY, undertaker, La Trobe and Spring
streets, Melbourne.) Page 8, Argus, 25-10-1861.

Unfortunately there was no birth record of John and Mary's son William*- see below-who must have been born in Ireland.However,disguised by Mary's maiden name being recorded as SWEENY, they did have a child born at Merri Creek and as shown at Melway 44 F3, the junction of Merri Creek and the Yarra is right near DIGHT'S FALLS. I wonder if they were on the land where William Thomas made his last efforts to save his beloved indigenous friends from extinction.

EventBirth Event registration number41878 Registration year1848
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesMary SexFemale Father's nameDODD John Mother's nameMary (Sweeny) Place of birthMERRI CREEK

It could take years to find which of the countless references to JOHN DODD on trove after 1861 apply to George's brother.

*John married Mary McSweeney (also born in Ireland) and emmigrated to Australia in 1840.

Their son William Dodd married Margaret Ritchie in New Zealand in 1886. He is my great grandfather.
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I'm interested in finding out info on the Loughnane side and what happened to Margaret and William and the rest of their children.

Re: Loughnane - Birr, Co. Offaly Ireland
Christine Perkins (View posts)
Posted: 28 Dec 2013 08:29PM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Dodd Loughnane
You have probably already discovered the following Cathie, but just in case.

Your (any my) great great great grandmother Margaret (Loughnane) Dodd immigrated to Australia with her children after her husband William died. She arrived on the ship Andromache in Jun 1840. She died in Melbourne in 1852. Her children settled as farmers in various places north of Melbourne, Keilor, Campbellfield, and later Benalla and Cashel. Some of her descendants still live in those areas but of course the families have spread far and wide by now.

MAGGIE McDOUGALL AND HER FUTURE HUSBAND GREW UP ABOUT HALF A MILE APART.
During the 1860's, Maggie's father, Robert McDougall was leasing the Aitken Estate, section 8 of the parish of Doutta Galla each side of where the Maribyrnong River comes within 240 metres of Buckley St. The north west corner of section 8 is opposite the south end of Rachelle Rd. The south east corner of section 10 Doutta Galla granted to George Dodd and Henry Delahey, Robert Dodd's father and uncle, was near Rita Court, just west of Arcade Way. His father and uncle were granted the northern two third of 11A, north of Lauricella St. and West Gateway which would be slightly closer, 1500 metres. We should make a history series about the countless brides and grooms who grew up near each other, and perhaps call it NEIGHBOURS!!!

The following confirms my suspicion that Robert Dodd was George's son. My word, Keilor can claim some renowned journalists as early residents: Edward Wilson, Donald Macdonald, C.P.Blom and ROBERT DODD.

MR. ROBERT DODD : FOR MANY YEARS AGRICULTURAL EDITOR OF
" THE AUSTRALASIAN."
Died July 14 at his residence, Mandeville-crescent, Toorak.
MR. ROBERT DODD.
THE DEATH OF A POPULAR
JOURNALIST.
We have to record with deep regret the
loss of a valued member of "The Austral-
asian" staff—Mr. Robert H. Dodd, agricul-
tural editor, who died at his residence.
Mandeville-crescent, Toorak, on Friday
night, the 14th July, aged 56. He had been
connected with this journal for 14 years,and
was widely known throughout Victoria and
the other States as a man whose experience,
soundness of judgment, and uprightness of
character placed him among the first in his
branch of the profession. In his earlier
days Mr. Dodd had had a great deal of
practical acquaintance with farming and
dairying—he was the second son of the late
Mr. George Dodd, of The Oaks, Keilor—
and there was very little touching the rural
industries on which he was not able to give
a reliable opinion. Apart from his profi-
ciency as an agricultural expert, he had
other qualities which won him in a singular
degree the liking—rather the affection—of
all who came into contact with him. Every
acquaintance came quickly to look upon him
as a friend. Quiet and equable in his man-
ner he had a never-failing spring of humour,
which made him the pleasantest of conver-
sationalists and raconteurs. As his gift for
mimicry and witticism was wedded to the
kindliest disposition, no one was wounded
ever so slightly by the mirth be made; in-
deed, no man could be more considerate
than he to the feelings of others. There
was much virility and determination in his
character—he was a strong man, with well
defined views en most matters, yet the free
expression of them never appeared to make
him enemies. The wide circle who valued
him as a genial companion and warm-
hearted friend had watched for some years
past the courageous fight he made against
a severe malady which attacked him, neces-
sitating two surgical operations. His in-
domitable resolution bad a great deal to do
with the recovery be made. The heart was,
however, affected, and be succumbed to a
siezure which occurred some four or five
days before his death. Although his medi-
cal adviser. Dr. E. Barrett, had hopes of a
rally, a relapse occurred on Friday evening
last week, and the end came suddenly. Mr.
Dodd leaves a widow, who was Miss Mar-
garet M'Dougall, daughter of the late Mr.
Robert M'Dougall of Arundel, Keilor, one
of the pioneer breeders of shorthorn cattle
in Victoria.
The funeral of the deceased took place in
the Melbourne Cemetery on Sunday, and
was attended by a very large gathering of
journalistic friends and members of the
Yorick Club, of which Mr. Dodd was a most
popular member. The burial service was
read by the Rev. Dr. Marshall. The chief
mourner was Mr. John Dodd, a brother of
the deceased gentleman, and the pall-bear-
ers were Mr. David Watterston (the re-
presentative of the Edward Wilson estate
on "The Argus" proprietary), Dr. E. S.
Cunningham (editor of "The Argus"), Mr.
E. T. Fricker (editor of "The Austral-
Fix this textasian"), Mr. W. Moxon Cook (sporting
editor of "The Australasian"), Mr. H.
Burrell (printer of "The Argus"), Dr. E.
Barrett, Mr. W. Davidson (inspector-gene-
ral of Public Works), and Mr. W. J.
Fookes. Among other old friends and col-
leagues present were Messrs. D. H. Maling,
Donald Macdonald, George Bell, F. M.
Robinson, and F. W. Lydiard. (P.32, The Australasian, 22-7-1911.)

I was going to send my information to the people who had posted on ancestry forums and helped my research so greatly- until I read this. How dare these rogues charge people for information that has been provided for free. If they'd asked me on FAMILY TREE CIRCLES for help they'd HAVE GOT ASSISTANCE FOR NOTHING.

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BITS AND PIECES.
I finally got around to reading the Brimbank, Delahey and Dodd entries in my Dictionary History of Tullamarine and Miles Around written in late 1989 and early 1990 from multiple sources, but not the internet of course. I found several references that I just searched for, without success, on trove. For example, the Dodd Brothers had established the Keilor Dairy in St.James Street,Moonee Ponds in 1891 according to the Essendon Gazette.

The 1868 Bailliere directory for Keilor listed John and Robert Dodd of Mount Rivers. I found no reference to such a farm on trove and it could not have been part of section 10 Doutta Galla, known only as Oakleigh Park with the Dodd southern 294 acres later being dubbed The Oaks. My conclusion therefore is the same that I came to in 1990, that Mt Rivers was all or part of the land in the parish of Maribyrnong granted to Henry Delahey's wife, Mary, George Dodd's sister. (The link for the Maribyrnong parish map is given in my final comment about Mary and George's sister, Margaret, who married Richard Fitzgerald.) Whether the said residents of Mt. Rivers were George's brothers is not my concern at the moment. I have made the statement that the Dodds and Delaheys were concerned in the doings on both sides of the river, which explains why this fellow was killed on Ballarat Rd. Many references to the Dodd family may be similarly disguised.

Raymond Richard Dodds, 26, dairy
farmer, of Keilor, was killed when a
motor cycle he was riding came into col
lision with a motor car on Ballarat
Road, near Sunshine. (P.8, Weekly Times, 26-5-1934.)

I couldn't find a death record for RAYMOND RICHARD DODD in 1934, so I deleted the given names.

EventDeath Event registration number4248 Registration year1934
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesRichard Ray SexMale Father's nameDODD John Mother's nameMary (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathSUNSHINE Age27

I presume that his mother was Mary or Marie(Goudie) and he was born on "Brimbank" about two years before her death on 14-11-1909, aged just 42*. (P.1, Argus, 15-11-1909.)

DODD. –On the 18th May result of an acci-
dent, Richard Ray, loved youngest son of John
and the late Mary Dodd, of Brimbank Keilor,
and loving brother of Doris, George, John, and
Henry, aged 27 years.--R.I.P.(P.1, Argus, 21-5-1934.)

John Dodd died in 1945 and luckily his son Henry, known as Harry, stated writing a history of Brimbank, the Dodds, Goudies and Delaheys, continued by Harry's son, Raymond who later bought the Keilor Hotel and filled it with historical photos. The motor cyclist was obviously referred to by his second given name.

DODD.-On March 28, John Dodd, of
Brimbank Keilor, beloved husband of the
late Mary, and loved father of Doris, George,
John, Henry, and Raymond (deceased).
-Requiescat in pace. (P.2, Argus, 29-3-1945.)

This journal is about George Dodd and his siblings so I have not ventured into detailing their descendants but, as you will probably have guessed, John was George's son.

EventDeath Event registration number2816 Registration year1945
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesJohn SexMale Father's nameDODD George Mother's nameMary (Coffey) Place of birthKEILOR Place of deathFITZROY Age81

The Brimbank Homestead is beautifully restored, as shown here.
DODD HOMESTEAD

Some of the information given by Harry and/or Ray Dodd, include detail about the stone walls used to separate paddocks, Richard's Lookout (probably on section 20, named after Richard Delahey), a later transition to market gardening (like the Borrells of Gumm's Corner) and John Dodd building a suspension footbridge across the river from Brimbank to the school- a photo of this bridge exists somewhere.

The school was between the river and Bonfield St at the top of the Bonfield Reserve from 1875 for about seventy years until relocating to the bottom of the reserve where the Church of England school had operated in earlier days. Therefore John Dodd's footbridge was probably below today's Garden Avenue with the children accessing the school via Horseshoe Bend Rd.

Donald Macdonald and George Dodd's son, Robert, (who married Maggie McDougall),must have attended the Church of England School unless they went to St.Augustine's School."The Anglican and Catholic churches opened schools in 1853." (http://www.victorianplaces.com.au/keilor) A different obituary for Robert Dodd (P.4, Benalla Standard, 18-7-1911)than the one included above seems certain that Donald and Robert attended the same school.
"Mr. Dodd, who for years resided at Sama-
ria (where he may be said to have gradu-
ated as a journalist, as correspondent for
the ' Standard'), was the second eldest
son of the late Mr. Ceorge Dodd, of 'The
Oaks,' Keilor, and was induced to adopt
journalism as a profession on the urgent
representations of an old friend and
schoolfellow, Mr.Donald Macdonald."

Donald would seem to have attended the state school according to his obituary below*, or rather the common school which the C. of E. school might have become in 1862. If I remember correctly William Savage taught at St Augustine's until state aid was withdrawn,and ran night classes to supplement his income. (I have no idea of the source of this information about William Savage. It may have come from the Keilor State School entry in Vision and Realisation published to celebrate the centenary of the Education Department circa 1972 or articles by Chris Laskowski in Keilor Historical Society newsletters during the early 1990's, compiled from articles that are obviously not on trove, where the only mention of William Savage, teacher, follows the name of George Dodd, as a donor to Catholic fundraising in 1868. At least this shows that William was a Roman Catholic. Page I-L43 of my dictionary history of Tullamarine and miles around has the following entry:
WILLIAM SAVAGE.
William Savage, the teacher at St. Augustine's school, became the first teacher at Keilor's state school in Bonfield St. on 5-7-1875.)

"Donald Alaster Macdonald (1859?-1932), journalist and Nature writer, was born probably on 6 June 1859 at Fitzroy, Melbourne, elder son of Donald Macdonald and his wife Margaret, née Harris. His father farmed near Keilor, but after their mother died Donald and his brother lived with an aunt in the town. He was educated at the local state school, becoming a pupil-teacher in 1876 "(adb.anu.edu.au/biography/macdonald-donald-alaster-7335)

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GEORGE GORDON McCRAE'S BOO BOO ABOUT HIS UNCLE FARQUHAR'S "LA ROSE" HOMESTEAD, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.

Paste the part in bold type into your search bar to go directly to the letter about the various McCrae homesteads on page 25 of The Australasian of 23-10-1915. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/142981457

This letter was found by chance while I was searching for information about the original Cape Schanck homestead, and past experience has taught me that it is far easier to take a side track from any current research to record such discoveries than to rediscover the source later on.

It is in the last paragraph of the letter that the confusion is revealed. Both "Moreland" and "La Rose" were in the parish of Jika Jika. To access the parish map, paste the following into your search bar.
digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_publish/simpleimages/9/2611134.html

The last paragraph of the letter follows.
"Some time in the forties - or, indeed, it
may have been in the latter thirties (for
Dr. McCrae first arrived in Melbourne in
1838) - he built a house called 'La Rose' on
a property of his which he named 'More-
land' (and known as such to this day), after
one of the estates of his grandfather in
Jamaica."

MORELANDconsisted of crown portions 133 and 126, containing 323 and 316 acres between the Moonee Ponds Creek and Sydney Road, extending, respectively, 2000 links (400 metres) north and south of today's Moreland Road. Michael Loeman, later a pioneer of Bulla, managed and then leased "Moreland" for about 14 years before purchasing "Glenloeman" on Loemans Rd which straddled the boundary of the parishes of Bulla and Tullamarine between Deep Creek and Jacksons Creek. (VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS: PAST AND PRESENT, 1888.)The Moreland Road bridge over the Moonee Ponds Creek linking the parishes of Doutta Galla and Jika Jika was named the Loeman Bridge to honour Michael's early association with the estate.

LA ROSEwas portion 141 of 270 acres and being elevated presented a far superior site for a homestead with views in mind. Farquhar McCrae purchased the grant and had built what is believed to be the core of what is now called WENTWORTH HOUSE before he dudded John Fitzgerald Leslie (Alphabetical) Foster regarding the transfer of the Eumemmering Run near Dandenong (in which town streets are named after both), was horse whipped by Foster and fled for his life to Sydney where he obtained a prominent position at its hospital. The extant bluestone mansion was completed by Coiler Robertson.

http://vhd.heritagecouncil.vic.gov.au/places/919
WENTWORTH HOUSE
22 LE CATEAU STREET PASCOE VALE SOUTH, Moreland City
Statement of Significance

Last updated on - July 2, 2004

What is significant?
Wentworth House at Pascoe Vale, known as La Rose during the nineteenth century, was built from c1842 for Dr Farquhar McCrae. He was the brother-in-law of Georgiana McCrae, who made several references to Farquhar and La Rose in her diaries. Farquhar had migrated from Scotland in 1839 with his mother, wife, sisters and children, and moved to La Rose in 1842. He was from the Scottish gentry, and was immediately successful in the colony, becoming a magistrate and the director of several companies and a bank, and was prominent in early colonial society. He got into financial difficulties during the depression of the early 1840s, and in about 1845 moved to Sydney, where he practised medicine. During this time the property was leased and farmed by Coiler Robertson, who purchased it in 1852, after McCrae's death. It passed in the mid 1850s to James Robertson (probably Coiler's son*), a partner with Robert and Peter McCracken in one of Melbourne's most successful brewery companies. The property of more than a hundred hectares remained intact until 1899, after which it was progressively subdivided, after 1920 by the War Service Homes Commissioner. The house is now on about an acre. It was renamed Wentworth House between 1908 and 1911. etc.

(*James, described as a brewer aged 17 upon arrival, who was probably instrumental in the early success of the McCracken brewery, was indeed Coiler's son and the brother of Peter McCracken's wife. He is not to be confused with James Robertson Snr and Jnr of Upper Keilor and Aberfeldie (also related to Peter McCracken as J.R. Jnr's daughter married Peter's son, Coiler) or James Robertson of "Gowrie Park", now the suburb north of Hadfield.)

N.B. The source of the horse whipping of Farquhar McCrae by Alphabetical Foster cannot be found on trove and may have been in Sam Merrifield's Annals of Essendon or a history of early Victoria such as Bearbrass. However, while looking for it I discovered an article which gave detail about Andrew and Farquhar McCrae's brother, Alexander (obviously Thomasann Blackburn's ancestor, Captain McCrae*) who also settled in Melbourne, although I have seen no previous mention of him.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/141768540 (P.4, The Australasian, 25-1-1936.)

*http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/203817156

GEORGE ROBERT DAWS, A PIONEER OF DROMANA, VIC., AUST.

GEORGE ROBERT DAWS, A PIONEER OF DROMANA, VIC., AUST.
One of the pay to view scavengers let slip that G.R. died in 1899 so I was able to find his death notice.

DAWS.— On the 7th April, at Spencer-crescent,Camberwell. George Robert, dearly beloved husband of Elizabeth Daws. late of Kingston and Dromana, aged 71 years and 11 months. (P.5, The Age, 8-4-1899.)

DAWS. - On the 30th July, at her son's residence, George road, East Doncaster, Elizabeth, relict of the late G. R. Daws, loved mother of R. H.,Mrs. Stevens (Point Lonsdale), E., H.A**. , A.C*.(Privately interred.) (P.13, Argus, 1-8-1925.)

DAWS.—On the 30th July, at her son's residence, East Doncaster, Elizabeth, relict of the late G. R. Daws, dear grandma of F. W.*** (Brisbane),Ruby, and Harald Stevens. Passed peacefully away.
(P.11, Argus, 8-8-1925.


*Daws George Robert Daws married Elizabeth Smith Daws and they gave birth to Albert Charles Daws.(Daws George Robert Daws - Melbourne East - Ancient Faces www.ancientfaces.com › Daws Family › Daws Daws)

**George Robert Daws - Kingston - AncientFaces.com
www.ancientfaces.com › Daws Family › George Daws
This is a bio of George Robert Daws with George's genealogy and photos. ... George Robert Daws married Elizabeth Smith and they gave birth to Harry Arthur ...

** F.W. Daws was probably a son of Frank, who was obviously born at Kingston some time between 1867 and 1874.
Frank Daws-King, Victoria, Australia; date of birth-Unknown
Parents-George Robert Daws Smith Elizabeth Daws
(Frank Daws Birth Records
birth-records.mooseroots.com/d/b/Frank-Daws)


As I have accidentally lost my findings, it may be best to present this journal as a chronology.

1860.
When George Robert Daws moved to Kingston in 1867, he appears to have followed a relative to that place. William Allison who became a coach driver and then a Dromana blacksmith, and married widow, Catherine Wainwright, publican of the Arthurs Seat Hotel, in about 1887, may have been a descendant of Daws' business partner.

Allison & Daws District Road Board Kingston 22-Jun-60 3
(Creswick & Clunes Advertiser 1860 - Freepages - Ancestry.com
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/…/…/.../CCA60A.htm)

1866.
There is no known connection between this George Robert Dawes and the one mentioned in 1867 unless there was a Deep Creek at Bullarook*. The digitisation has not been corrected in order to illustrate why this result was not found with a George Robert or G.R.Daws search but a George Daws search.
A publican's license, for a house at Subaatopol Hiil, Bullarook, was granted to George Ilobert Dawes, (P.1, The Ballarat Star, 24-10-1866.)

*POSTSCRIPT. There is a Deep Creek Road at Werona and a map search revealed that the Kingston-Werona road ran parallel to an unnamed creek which may have been Deep Creek. However there is no need to prove that the above hotel was the Deep Creek hotel because the Mr Boyd (owner of the hotel) who opposed the transfer of the licence in 1867 was probably W.Boyd of Bullarook and the Boyd family presence at Bullarook continued with M.Boyd of Bullarook gaining a soldier settlement farm in 1919. (BOYD, BULLAROOK search on trove.)

Most mentions of W.Boyd were in connection with the agricultural show.
"The Smeaton, Spring Hill and Bullarook agricultural society (dating from 1859) ran one of Victoria's most successful annual shows."

Why would George Robert Daws want to move to Kingston about seven months later?
Firstly "It is on the main road between Ballarat and Castlemaine" not on the south end of Black Swamp** Road which leads only to Bullarook. Secondly Kingston was probably the food bowl for the diggings near Ballarat. Thirdly, fortunes fluctuated on the diggings; when all the alluvial gold had been found, many diggers moved on to a new strike and even after mechanised mining (such as the William Tell at Bullarook) started, success was not immediate, and hampered by flooding etc. The only secure income was derived by carters (who certainly earned their money)and those who satisfied the diggers' hunger and thirst.

"Kingston is a rural township 7 km north-east of Creswick and 100 km north-west of Melbourne.

Kingston was beyond the alluvial gold mining in the Creswick district during the 1850s-60s, and just to the east of the deep lead mining which started with the Spring Hill lead in the 1870s. It was like Smeaton, providing agricultural land for cereals and grazing. A flourmill was built in Kingston in the early 1860s. A school was opened in the mechanics' institute at about the same time. (In nearby Spring Hill an Anglican school was opened in 1857.) Kingston was also the administrative centre of Creswick Shire until about 1948, 14 years after Creswick borough had been united with the shire.

Kingston was fortunately situated, with good agricultural land which suffered little disturbance from mining except to its west. The railway line from Creswick to Daylesford, via Kingston, opened in 1887 and ran until 1976." (Quotes from:
Kingston Township | Victorian Places
www.victorianplaces.com.au/kingston-township)

**Incidentally the name of Bullarook is almost certainly an aboriginal description of a swamp near a hill. As pointed out above, Bullarook is at the end of Black Swamp Rd. Tootgarook, named because of a swamp, means the growling of frogs and Bulla, according to I.W.Symonds in his "Bulla Bulla", means hill.



But the following shows that the Bullarook publican was definitely the Dromana pioneer unless the Advertiser's journalist was only guessing that the proud father was the former Bullarook publican.
DAWS Mrs George Birth of Son 12-Apr-67 On the 8th instatn, at her residence, Kingston, the wife of George Daws, of a son, both doing well.
Creswick & Clunes newspaperBirth Death and Marriage extractions ...
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~po…/…/BDM1866.htm

The journalist was right! When 9 month old Emma died at Kingston she was buried at the New Creswick Cemetery. There was a definite Smith presence at Bullarook so George Robert Daws may have become acquainted with Elizabeth there. Emma was not necessarily their daughter. (See 1860.)
Daws Emma 9 mths residence-Kingston
(New Cemetery - Creswick Cemetery
www.creswickcemetery.com.au/list-of-burials/new-cemetery…)

Bullarook is not on the main road to Ballarat (or anywhere) so why would there be a hotel there in 1866?
Bullarook - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullarook
Bullarook is a locality in the Central Highlands in Victoria, near Ballarat. Bullarook was home to the William Tell Quartz Mining Co., a gold mining company which ...


1867.
The application of George Robert Dawes, for a transfer of the publican's license from the Deep Creek hotel to the Beehive hotel, Kingston, .was opposed by Mr Burton on behalf of Mr Boyd, the owner of the house at Deep Creek, and postponed till Friday next, (P.4, The Ballarat Star, 15-5-1867.)

A removal of licence from Deep Creek to the Beehive hotel, Kingston, was granted to George Robert Daws. (P.4, The Ballarat Star, 18-5-1867.)

Deep Creek would seem to have been near Bullarook. I originally thought that Kingston was in the area near the current bayside City of Kingston but it was near Ballarat.
"Kingston is a small town in rural Shire of Hepburn in Victoria, Australia. Kingston is located about 15 km from Creswick, just off the Midland Highway and is about 20 km from Daylesford. Kingston's post code is 3364.
Kingston was once a thriving gold mining town during the Victorian Gold Rush and became the administrative centre of the Creswick Shire. Kingston Post Office opened on 11 October 1858.[1] "(Wikipedia.)


1874 -1876.
In the last Finders Road District assessment of 13-6-1874, G.R.Daws was rated on a two roomed house on 322 acres in the parish of Balnarring that he was leasing from the Crown. Because ratepayers were listed in geographical order, it is almost certain that George was leasing crown allotments 90 and 91 Balnarring, fronting Shoreham Rd south of Oceanview Avenue, consisting of 322 acres 0 roods 19 perches, and granted to J.&J. Bayne on 4-7-1879.
1875. The Flinders and Kangerong Road Districts had merged to form the Flinders and Kangerong Shire. In its first assessment of 2-10-1875, George was rated on the same property although it was wrongly called 323 acres.
1876.George was joined by Edward Daws who may have been a brother. George was now rated on 34 acres and a building with a high net annual value of 35 pounds; this assessment being repeated in 1877. Edward was rated on 12 acres and 95 acres, Flinders and Kangerong and in 1877 just the 12 acres.

Alexander Haldan was operating Dromana's first post office by 1858. When he died, Walter Gibson gained appointment as postmaster and built a new post office (just west of Nelson Rudduck's Jetty Store which was on the west corner of Pier St.) SEE APPENDIX.RE POST OFFICE. Thus Mary Haldan's old post office became a mere store, as it remained during George Robert Daws' tenure. There was stern opposition to Gibson's site for the new post office and Mary unsuccessfully offered the old P.O. free to the government. She later moved to "Belmont" in Carlton, where her daughter was married. See my journal:
ALEXANDER HALDAN,PIONEER OF DROMANA,VIC., AUST. (& JAMES AND ...
www.familytreecircles.com/alexander-haldan-pioneer-of-droma…

IN the SUPREME COURT of the COLONY of VICTORIA :
Probate Jurisdiction.-In the Will of ALEXANDER HALDAN, late of Dromana, in the Colony of Victoria, Storekeeper, Deceased.-Notice is hereby given, that after the expiration of fourteen days from the publication hereof application will be made to the Supreme Court of the colony of Victoria, in Its Probate Jurisdiction, that PROBATE of the LAST WILL and TESTAMENT of the said Alexander Haldan, deceased, may be granted to Margaret Balmanno Haldan, of Dromana aforesaid, the widow and sole executrix named in and appointed by the said
will.
Dated this first day of December, 1876.
JOHN HOPKINS, 8 Market-buildings, ColIins
Street west, Melbourne, proctor for the executrix.
(P.3, Argus, 1-12-1876.)

TO SEASIDE VISITORS.-Mrs Haldan has pleasure in intimating the continuance of her BOARDING ESTABLISHMENT, Dromana-villa, Dromana,where every comfort and attention are offered to her patrons upon strictly moderate charges.(P.8, Argus, 18-12-1876.)

CHECK HOW LONG EDWARD STAYED.
Edward was assessed on 13 acres Kangerong (N.A V. 10 pounds) in 1877 and in 1878, no mention of George, nor Edward could be found. Typical! In 1879, both reappeared with Edward's 13 acres proving to be 12 acres Kangerong and one allotment west of McCulloch St in the township, the N.A.V. now being 14 pounds. In 1880, the township allotment was forgotten but in his last assessment, Edward's property still had the same value.


1877.
No assessment of Charles Barnett on his 36 acre triangular grant.
George's occupation was given as miner, as was Edward's. George was still rated on 34 acres, which I believe was still Charles Barnett's triangle west of today's Jetty Rd. It still, and till 1887, had a N.A.V. of 35 pounds.
Margaret B.Haldan, whose occupation was given as private lodging, was rated on one allotment and building, Dromana, the former post office, now Dromana Villa, which had a net annual value of 50 pounds.


(TRUSTEE, DAVEY'S GULLY)
I accidentally lost information when transferring the post I'd started on the HISTORY OF DROMANA TO PORTSEA Facebook page and DELETED!. Changing tacks every quarter of an hour, I'd fluked finding a trove article on a pay to view ancestry site that listed trustees whose appointments had been notified in the government gazette. At that time, I suspected that George was associated with Castlemaine and I think I was doing a GEORGE ROBERT DAWS, CASTLEMAINE google search. After "Castlemaine:" were listed some trustees who, no doubt, were appointed as trustees of some public property at Dromana. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE SOURCE IS THERE; I JUST CAN'T FIND IT AGAIN.
The trustees were, from memory: Walter Gibbon (Gibson), Peter Pidoto, George Robert Daws, Robert Caldwell, Daniel Nicholson and Charles Barnett. The others were all respected members of the community and the fact that in about four years George had been placed on a similar pedestal says a lot about him.
Walter Gibson built a Presbyterian Manse at his own expense, Peter played a prominent part in Dromana's trade with Melbourne, Robert Caldwell played a prominent part in Dromana getting a pier and Caldwell Rd is named after him, Daniel Nicholson was one of Dromana's two pre 1861 schoolteachers and became the registrar, Charles Barnett* was the grantee of the triangular 36 acre block west of Jetty Rd that I believe was George's 34 acres.
(*See the second item in the appendix.)

George nearly didn't survive in order to enjoy the respect he had earned.

A serious accident happened on Friday night last to the Schnapper Point coach on a decline leading into Davis' (sic) Gully* beyond Frankston. The brake unfortunately broke, and at the bottom of the decline two of the passengers were thrown off, but escaped with a few bruises. The horses then .ran up the incline on the other side, and the driver, known as "Dick," was next thrown off, and received some fractures of the ribs.
The greatest sufferer was Mr. Dawes (sic), of Dromana, who was thrown down the side of the gully, receiving some very severe fractures of the ribs, which impede the action of the lungs. The horses were brought to a stand-still by Mr. John Everard, who had occupied a seat beside the driver, and managed to keep his place. (P.2, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 22-8-1877.)

* The Davey pre-emptive right of the Davey Kannanuke Run was between Old Mornington Rd and Port Phillip Bay, extending from the said gully (bottom left corner of Melway 101 J8) to Boundary (now Canadian Bay) Road. As the present highway did not exist, the coach would travel to Dromana via Old Mornington Rd, Mt Eliza Way- Wooralla Rd, and the three chain road (Moorooduc Rd.)

I learn that Mr. Dawes, of Dromana, who was so seriously injured in the frightful coach accident that occurred near Frankston eight days ago, is still lying in a precarious condition, very little hopes being entertained of his recovering.(Bendigo Advertiser (Vic. : 1855 - 1918) Monday 27 August 1877 p 2 Article)


1879.
George and Edward were still called miners. George still had the 34 acres (net annual value 35 pounds) but now had one allotment and building, Dromana, with the incredibly high N.A.V. of 50 pounds. This was the former post office.

DROMANA -Comfort and Economy -Dromana Villa is now ready for visitors.
G R Daws, proprietor, (late Mrs Haldan) (P.8, Argus, 30-1-1879.)

1880.
The 34 acre block and the old post office were combined in one assessment (net annual value 85 pounds.)

1881-1886
George's details were unchanged except that he was now a yoeman. In 1882 and 1883 he was a carpenter.

1887.
DAWS George Robert was now a boarding house keeper. He was rated only on 30 acres with a net annual value of 65 pounds. How could the rate collector describe him as a boarding house keeper without thinking it necessary to include the house he was keeping in the property description?
This was George Robert Daws' last assessment.

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The Daws family which occupied "Carnarvon" many decades after the death of George Robert Daws, was not descended from G.R.Daws. This family was descended from Charles Pearson Daws, who may have been one of G.R.'s brothers.

COPY COMMENTS UNDER THE FLEMING STORE PHOTO ON THE DROMANA TO PORTSEA FACEBOOK PAGE.
ME.The Flemings lived on the west corner of Foote St and discovered ink wells from Alexander Haldan's post office, established by 1858 and used by the Haldans as a guest house called Dromana Villa when Walter Gibson established the new granite P.O. just west of Rudduck's store in about 1876. The Flemings lived in "Carnarvon" (photo, P.54, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.) It has been extended but one of the stone walls remains under the carport, as the current owners kindly showed me.

Andrew Davis After Grahame and Rosemary Daws left (the store near the site of the Arthurs Sest Hotel-itellya) around 1976 the next owners were the McIntosh family and then it was Andy Griffith. After the milk bar Grahame and Rosemary lived up the road in Codrington St (at Albey Brasser the concreters old house). Mum and Dad moved from Codrington St to McCrae in 1995 and they're still there today. Rod Daws Sue Stone

ME. Rod Daws. How nice to find another descendant of one of our pioneers (whose surname has been written countless times as DAWES in ratebooks, newspapers and, thus, in Colin McLear's history.) If Andrew had not posted the comment and mentioned Rod, I would never have twigged. I promise to spell it correctly in future. George Robert DAWS retained the Haldans' name of Dromana Villa for the house. I wonder who called it Carnarvon, the Flemings? Did you ever hear of George's brush with death in 1877?

Deborah Hiskins R__ G___ The Dawes (pretty sure with an "e") had the store after the Fleming's were not from Dromana. M;y parents Margaret (jnr) and Mike Fleming had the shop for 2 years and my grandparents Margaret (snr)and Arthur owned Carnarvon. After the shop was sold we moved into Carnarvon. Dad dug up several clay ink wells and broken clay pipes in the garden here. The original Carnarvon was originally purchased by my great grandparents Howard and Gertie SALTER in the 1920's as well as the next house in the street. Howard named the house but not sure where the name came from.(Margaret Fleming Snr was their daughter)

Margaret Fleming Deb, actually I spelt Daws with an e, but now I remember it didn't! Also regarding Carnarvon, several of the granite walls are still standing in the house, even though it's been renovated. This granite came from Dromana quarry and when the old house was pulled down, Mike (Fleming), remembers all the roof slate being dumped down the well at the rear of the house!

Andrew Davis I can confirm its Daws with no "e" and we are not descendants of George Robert Daws. Dads side of the family dating back to 1874 descended from Charles Pearson Daws of Llanelly* in Central Vic.

(*Postscript. This name was associated with Robert Smith of Bullarook who was NOT the father of Elizabeth Smith, who became George Robert Daws' wife, but may have been related to her. I can't remember whether Llanelly was the name of Robert's farm or birthplace.)

ME. Andrew Davis. Charles Pearson Daws might have been a brother of George Robert Dawes. The father of C.P. Daws was named George and the given name Robert was bestowed on one of C.P.'s descendants. Bertie Charles, a son of George Robert and Elizabeth Daws, may have been named after Charles Pearson Daws.(Bertie Charles Daws Dromana, Victoria, Australia
Birth date -Unknown, Parents-George Robert Daws Smith Elizabeth Daws)

Unfortunately George Robert's siblings are not mentioned in his death notice.
(My comment included George's death notice, see start of journal, and the following genealogy.)

FROM:Giles Daniel, Charles Pearson Daws, Fernanda Dennis, John Dennis ...
www.reocities.com/mepnab/d/d61.html
Daws
Charles Pearson Daws was present at the Eureka Stockade Revolt, appears to have been aged 17 years 9 months. His presence is reported by at least 3 books about the event.
Jane Geary wed to Dec 1842 to Thomas Pollen in Lambeth which spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Surrey
Thomas Pollen came and was joined Jul 1857 via the Essex by Jane 34 with Jane 11 and Henry 7
Charles Pearson Dawes 07 Jan 1837 - 5 May 1919 aged 82, son of Mary Pearson and George Dawes born at Greasley, Nottingham, England, (detail from IGI submitted entry) wed 13 Dec 1863 #3328 to Jane Dorothy Pollen 1845 - 9 July 1928 aged 83, and lived at Inglewood, Tarnagulla
7 Children 1. George Pearson Daws 1864 - 11 Oct 1950 aged 84 - original birth record 1864 #15785
2. Jane Daws 1866 #8805
3. Mary Jane Daws 1867 #15518
4. Charles Henry Daws 1869 #16181
5. Thomas Pollen Daws 1874 #19654
6. Elizabeth Ann Daws 1877 #5655
1. George Pearson Daws 1864 #21484 - 1950 born and died in Inglewood, wed 1896 to Emily Theresa Keefe 1872 - 1856 children born in Tarnagulla
8 Children 1. Ada Etta Daws 1897 - 1951 wed 1929 to William Stanley Notman
2. Thomas Ashley Daws 1898 - 1972 wed 1924 to Thelma Minnie Taylor
3. Vera Jane Daws 1899 - 1983 wed 1918 to Stanley James Murrowood
4. Ivy May Daws 1901 - 1955 wed 1919 to Clifford Henry Pollard
5. Mary Evelyn Daws 1904 - 1975 wed 1927 to Walter Robert Arnfield
6. Florence Elizabeth Daws born 1906 #22630 wed 1932 to Lionel Percy Stevenson at Llanelly, Vic, Aust
7. George Henry Daws 1908 - 1969 was born in Parkville, Vic, Australia.
8. Linda Elsie Daws born 1910 #15173 wed 1929 to John Edgar Davies
7. George Henry Daws born 1908 at Tarnagulla (Reg No. 23128/1908 Births) and died at Parkville (Reg No. 23830/1969 Deaths). Married Florence Bloodworth in 1939 (Reg No. 9804/1939 Marriages)

APPENDIX.
From my HERITAGE WALK, DROMANA journal.
THE POST OFFICE.
As stated previously,the Township was west of McCulloch St (to Burrell Rd, which despite the virtual cliff was supposed to connect the Esplanade and the north-south section of Latrobe Pde.) East of McCulloch St were crown allotments 1-8 of section 1 Kangerong.
In A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, Colin McLear stated that the original post office was in a granite building named Carnarvon,situated on the corner of Foote St and Latrobe Pde.
"In the 19th century prospecting days about Dromana miners could sell their findings to Dawes who ran a store on the corner of Foote St. and Latrobe Parade in the first Carnarvon which stood there then. On the counter stood his gold scales in what was the first Dromana Post Office. (P.54 with photo.)

Despite the majority of permanent residents being tenants on the survey in the mid 1850's when the township site was decided, the centre of population was probably farther west with many timber getters working on Arthurs Seat. The zig-zagging Tower Rd, which was used as a boundary between the township's suburban allotments, may have been created by bullock drivers bringing timber to the coast by the shortest possible route. Codrington St, which divides township streets to the west running at right angles to the coast and those such as Verdon St, which don't, may have been a continuation of this track.

Another early track may have been between McLear Rd near the summit and Caldwell Rd, which formed the boundary between suburban allotments and William Grace's "Gracefield",granted in 1857. This track would have continued along McCulloch St,the eastern boundary of the township.

Despite the township being proclaimed in 1861, the suburban blocks of mostly 2 roods (half an acre) were being sold in about 1858. Richard Watkins, who is stated wrongly as establishing the Dromana Hotel in 1857 (actually 1862 not counting the slate roof) was in 1858 running Scurfield's hotel as well as selling Arthurs Seat timber (in competition with another firm.)

Proclamation of the township meant that the Crown would provide a school and a post office. Shortly afterwards, Robert Quinan and Daniel Nicholson were scrambling to have their private schools chosen as the Common School. Interestingly, many of those who signed the 9-3-1861 petition (P.132 A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA) were Survey residents. The private school near Wallaces Rd on the Survey had apparently closed after the death of the teacher's wife. With the school also west of McCulloch St, Survey children could pick up the mail on their way home from school, so the location of the post office was not a great problem.

On page 138, Colin McLear wrote:
From its original premises,the post office moved into another granite building of the same period,this time in the main shopping centre. These premises were owned by Walter Gibson and also incorporated brick from the Glenholme (sic) clay pits. In later years these offices were replaced by a used car yard.

I have been trying since I started this journal to find the second article about the removal/argument re the post office first seen years ago. It was found by accident when I was trying to find out whether Pattersons Lane had been renamed Wallaces Rd after a Wallace family. The first article was found when I unsuccessfully searched for a request from Water Gibson to the Flinders and Kangerong to have the township boundary altered to take in the area near the pier. (Perhaps that was in 1885 when Peter Pidoto's parents-in-law died? No!*)

The Postmaster-General was waited upon on Friday by Mrs.(Alex.)Haldan, accompanied by Mr. Fergusson, M.L.A., the object being to draw his attention to the inconvenience caused to the residents of Dromana by the removal of the post and telegraph office from that place to some distance outside Dromana. Mrs. Haldan represented that her husband had held the office of postmaster in Dromana for many years till the office was removed,and if it were now re-transferred to Dromana she was willing to supply a building for the purpose free of cost to the department. Mr. Cuthbert replied that if it was the wish of the residents generally that the office should be re-transferred,he would take the matter into consideration.

Mr.Gibson, the lessor of the post-office building, afterwards waited upon the Postmaster-General, and represented that he was one of the guarantors to the department in regard to the post-office at Dromana, and he desired that they might not be called upon to pay the deficiency of L.105 in the revenue. In support of his request he quoted several precedents, and Mr. Cuthbert promised to take the matter into consideration.Telegraph.
(South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 5 June 1878 p 2 Article)

DROMANA.
A strenuous effort is being made by one section of the community to have the post and telegraphic office removed to a site remote from the general traffic. The advocates of this movement argue that the post and tele-
graph office should be in the township, which is certainly right in the abstract, but the township of Dromana is anomalously situated, the jetty and principal places of business being some distances beyond its boundary.
The jetty, however, is naturally the convergent point, from all the traffic of the district. The other section of the inhabitants, therefore, argue that the post office is in the right place, being in close proximity to the centre of trade and feel that the proposed removal, if carried out, would, be injurious to the interests of the district at large. The Postmaster General has been interviewed by both sides, and a petition has been got
up for presentation by the removalists. The result remains to be seen.
(South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 12 June 1878 p 3 Article)

*PROOF OF THE SAYING:"YOU MAKE YOUR OWN LUCK."
If I had not decided to write a journal about Alex Haldan and hadn't suspected that Cr. George M.Henderson was a relative of Alexander's wife, I would never have discovered the article about Walter Gibson,actually George McLear, wanting to extend the township boundary toward the pier. I knew all the right key words apart from the petitioner's name, and was sure that the article was from 1878 but there was not one result on trove.

A petition was presented by Councillor McLear; praying that the boundary of the present township of Dromana might be so extended as to include the jetty and other places of business. The petition was signed by a number of owners of land in the township, and also by nearly all the owners of land sought to be incorporated*. Notice of motion was given for the consideration of the matter at the next meeting of the Council.
(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 3-7-1878.)

(*Land east of McCulloch St, in section 1, Kangerong, whose owners wanted incorporated or included in the township.)

CHARLES BARNETT. (See separate journal.)

GEORGE SMITH'S WOOLOOWOOLOOBOOLOOK WAS NEAR ROSEBUD (VIC., AUST.) BUT WHERE EXACTLY?

POSTSCRIPT 2-10-2015.
HOPEFULLY READERS WILL STILL ENJOY READING THE FOLLOWING ATTEMPTS TO SOLVE A RIDDLE WITH SO MANY CONFLICTING CLUES.IF MY MATE,JUSTIN, HAD NOT ASKED ME TO WRITE A HISTORY OF TOOTGAROOK FOR HIM A FEW DAYS AGO,THE ANSWER TO THE RIDDLE MAY NEVER HAVE BEEN FOUND. AS MARIE HANSEN FELS POINTS OUT IN "I SUCCEEDED ONCE", GEORGE SMITH'S WOOLOOWOOLOOBOOLOOK (NO MATTER WHAT SPELLING WAS USED) WAS THE NAME OF HIS HOMESTEAD AT CAPEL SOUND ON THE TOOTGAROOK RUN. CONFUSINGLY,GEORGE GORDON McCRAE REFERRED TO A LITTLE STATION OF THAT NAME NEAR THE SISTERS WHICH IS SHOWN IN SMYTHE'S MAP OF 1841, WHILE TOOTGAROOK IS NOT SHOWN AS A CROWN LEASE BUT A PLACE NAME, PROBABLY NEAR THE SWAMP,GIVEN ITS MUCH ACCEPTED MEANING OF "PLACE OF CROAKING FROGS". I HAVE NOT INCLUDED THE INFORMATION IN MY LAST SENTENCE WHICH PRECEDES THE FOLLOWING QUOTE FROM "I SUCCEEDED ONCE."

Extract from my post A BRIEF HISTORY OF TOOTGAROOK FOR JUSTIN on the HISTORY OF DROMANA TO PORTSEA Facebook page.
MORE ABOUT GEORGE SMITH.
I stated before that George Smith may have been on Tootgarook.On page 4 of The Argus of 21-5-1850,a government notice lists occupants and other details of runs for which the occupants were to submit applications for 12 month leases from 1-1-1851. In the County of Mornington,No. 17 of 19 was George Smith (occupant), 20 square miles (extent), Tootgarook (name of run), Port Phillip Bay (location).

"Contrary to what is widely asserted, he did not hold a licence for Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk on the Mornington Peninsula: a thorough search of the original Pastoral Run Papers produced no papers for Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk in the box which holds all the original ‘W’ Pastoral Run Papers.50 Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk is not a pastoral run; it is the name of the house at Capel Sound where he lived in the 1840s.51"
(I SUCCEEDED ONCE.)



PRIVATE MESSAGE.
Hi XXX,
Do you have a copy of Georgiana's Journal (Melbourne 1841-1865) edited by Hugh McCrae.
The copy that I have is stamped McCrae Homestead. I paid the expensive price of 20c at Parkdale Op Shop. Such an interesting read.

REPLY.
No,I don't have a copy and congratulate you on your bargain purchase at the op shop. I first read the book back in 1988 when I started adding to the 1.5 foolcap pages that then constituted the history of Tullamarine. Georgiana's description of Richard Hanmer Bunbury (an early grantee in the parish of Tullamarine) was superb, her detail (re pioneers) probably only surpassed by Harry Peck in MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN.

Your message prompted me to see if the book was available online. It doesn't seem to be in e-book form but Marie Fel's book is, and the following result* led me to information about George Smith's Woolooowoolooboolook (as it is written in Georgiana's Journal.)
*I succeeded once - Page 305 - Google Books Result
https://books.google.com.au/books?isbn=1921862130
Marie Hansen Fels - 2011 - ‎History
But the editor of Georgiana's journal, her grandson Hugh, has been damningly criticised in a recent PhD thesis2 for his prejudiced and manipulative changes to ...



Owen Cain arrived in about 1943 and soon after his arrival,his four year old daughter (Sarah Ann?)who was born in America en route from Ireland,wandered away from "Tyrone" (near Tyrone beach west of Rye's White Cliff.) The story of her ordeal was recorded by young George McCrae; details are included in my LOST journal. At this time, Georgiana was still in Melbourne socialising with Governor Latrobe. One thing that puzzled me was young George's description of the Wooloowooloooboolook homestead being six miles along the Cape Schanck road from his own home.This would place Smith's homestead near Pattersons Rd, Fingal.

In LIME LAND LEISURE, C.N.Hollinshed mentioned that this run was added to the Tootgarook Run in 1850 by Hobson, who then requested that the expanded run be transferred to James Purves. No indication of the location of Smith's run was provided.

Marie Fels expended enormous effort to establish the burial site of Johnny,George McCrae's aboriginal hunting mate,who died after returning from his trip to America with George Smith. He was carried to the burial site, just south of the (McCrae) lighthouse, by George himself, Johnny's distraught father and relatives lining the grave and tying the body in a seated posture.

This land was part of George Smith's lease, described thus by George Smith.

"Having promised Mr McCrae the small piece of land opposite his residence at Arthurs Seat of which I beg leave to offer a description. I request that it be added to the lease about to be issued to him."

Smith described the land as, "the small piece of land between the Cape Schanck rd and the sea commencing near the rocks at the point known as St Anthony's Nose and ending at the creek at the junction of the Point Nepean and Cape Schanck roads nearly opposite the end of Mr McCrae's paddock fence."
(P.314, I SUCCEEDED ONCE.)

Marie Fels believed that the creek was Coburns Creek but it would have been ADAMS CREEK which now lies underneath The Avenue. Descendants of Henry Everest Adams believe that the Rosebud pioneer beached his ship near today's Wattle Place at about the time that the McCraes obtained the lease of Arthurs Seat and was granted 750 acres of land. An Adams family historian has disputed the year of the Captain's arrival, given as 1845 in the Dromana Pioneer Pathway, believing that crown allotment 20 Wannaeue was part of the Arthurs Seat run and Captain Adams would have arrived after 1851.

Crown allotment 20 is between The Avenue and Parkmore Rd, extending south to Bayview Rd. The boundary fence described by George Smith probably ended at or near Adams Creek and the Cape Schanck road junction (with the Point Nepean road) was probably today's Wattle Place. I believe that Captain Adams was granted a (hush hush)lease of the WANNAEUE VILLAGE Reserve (crown allotment 20)for services rendered to the government, perhaps bringing ticket of leave men from Van Dieman's Land circa 1841 to overcome a labour shortage, or shipping supplies from Singapore. The "so-called 750 acre grant" could have also included a lease of land later granted to Back Road Bob Cairns and others on the south east side of what Georgina McCrae called the MOUNTAIN ROAD (later Cape Schanck Rd/ the back road/Hobson's Flat Rd/ Bayview Rd.) The 750 acres could also be a distorted memory of 75 acres of Wannaeue Village purchased as a grant in the 1870's as a pre-emptive right.

I believe George Smith's Wooloowoolooboolook was on the foreshore from Anthony's Nose to Adams' Creek and ran east to at least Jetty Rd, perhaps Boneo Rd (where crown allotments are labelled NO SECTION.) I also believe that Smith's run included crown allotments 5 and 6,section A,Wannaeue, between Boneo Rd and (today's)Old Cape Schanck and now occupied by most of the Rosebud Country Club golf course. Granted to James Purves these allotments may have been the site of the Wooloowoolooboolook homestead where the(so-called*) Mrs Smith nursed young Sarah Ann Cain back to health.
*Marie Fels gives details of the relationship!

The parish map indicates the north east corner of these allotments is roughly 23 983 links from the Arthurs Seat homestead; that's about 240 chains or THREE miles. The south east corner, adjoining the Cairns family's Little Scotland was 5330 links farther south west, about five eighths of a mile. Young George probably didn't have a parish map,odometer or trundle wheel to check his estimate of the distance between his home and Smith's so I guess SIX MILES was a reasonable guess.

Another possible location involved other James Purves grants, crown allotments 1,2 and 3 of the parish of Fingal, bounded by The Dunes and Limestone,Truemans and Sandy Rds (Melway 252B4) but this was too far from Cape Schanck Rd to be correct and was probably part of the Boniyong (Boneo) run.

Georgiana's Journal and Marie Fels' I SUCCEEDED ONCE are both well-worth a read.

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GEORGE TRUEMAN'S HOTEL AT RYE, VIC., AUST., IN 1872 SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE ORIGINAL RYE HOTEL.

WAS THIS THE TAP ROOM ON TOOTGAROOK STATION (PETER PURVES' TOOTGAROOK HOTEL OF 1857) OR PERHAPS WILLIAM COTTIER'S FORMER TOOTGAROOK HOTEL OF 1867 ON JOHN CAMPBELL'S TOWNSHIP GRANTS?

NOTICE OF APPLICATION for a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE.-To the Licensing Magistrates in and for the District of Dromana.-I, GEORGE TRUEMAN, of the townshlp of Rye near Dromana, in the colony of Victoria, limeburner, do hereby give notice, that I desire to obtain, and will at the next licensing meeting APPLY for, a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE for a house situate at the township of Rye, In the colony of Victoria, and fronting Hobson's Bay, containing seven rooms, exclusive of those required for the use of the family. The 14th day of February, A.D. 1872. GEORGE TRUEMAN. (P.2s., Argus, 17-2-1872.)

George Trueman was the second child of James Trueman and Jane (nee Cook) born on 2-3-1852 in Maddington,Wiltshire, who came out with his parents on the Sabrina in 1857 and died on 10-10-1932 in Prahran. As his older sister Annie had died in 1850 aged just over a month, George was the oldest surviving child. (Genealogy provided by Heather Spunner of Berrigan,N.S.W.)

As George's "house" was in the township, and he didn't seem to be much involved on the Truemans Rd grants, it would be interesting to compare his description with that of Cottier, who was insolvent in 1870 and had obviously turned to lime burning on his land at Fingal by the time he received his certificate of discharge in 1871.(Certificate Meetings.
Certificates of discharge from their debts were granted to the following insolvents :....... ; John Blair, of Melbourne, surgeon*; ....... William Cottier, of Rye, limeburner ; F. W. Wilks, of Collingwood, commission agent. (P.6, Argus, 10-6-1871.)

NOTICE of APPLICATION for a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE.-To the Bench of Magistrates. at Mornington.-I, WILLIAM COTTIER, farmer, now residing in Rye, in the colony of Victoria, do hereby give notice that it is my intention to APPLY to the justices, sitting at the Court of Petty Sessions to be holden at Mornington, In the said colony, on tho 20th day of June next, for a CERTIFICATE authorising the issuing of a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE for a house situated at Rye aforesaid. The house Is built of wood, consisting of two slttlng rooms and six bedrooms exclusive of those required for the use of the family; occupied and owned by me. It is not licensed. To be known as the Tootgarook Hotel.
The 14th day of June, A.D. 1867,
(Signed) . WILLIAM COTTIER. (P.8 Argus, 21-6-1867.)
Campbell's grants comprised the land occupied in October 2015 by shops including Ray White Real Estate, the former board shop, former bike shop until late August,now vacant, on the east side of the Shark Shack fish and chip shop and shops in between.

It should be fairly easy to ascertain whether George Trueman had been leasing the Tootgarook Hotel from John Campbell. It is possible that George had a lease of the hotel that William Cottier appears to have established in 1867 but this theory would destroyed if John Campbell had been running the hotel in 1872.

NOTICE.— I, JOHN CAMPBELL, of Rye, Contractor, do hereby give notice that I desire to obtain,and will at the next Licensing Meeting APPLY for, a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE for a home situated at Rye,containing 8 rooms exclusive of those required for the use of the family.
The 25th day November, 1875.
JOHN CAMPBELL. (P.1,The Age, 29-11-1875.)

NOTICE of APPLICATION for a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE.— To tho Licensing Magistrates at Dromana.--I, JOHN CAMPBELL, of
Rye, county Mornington, do hereby glvo notice that I desire to obtain, and will, at the next Licensing Meeting, APPLY for a PUBLICAN'S LICENCE for a house situate at Rye, county Mornington, to be known as the RYE Hotel, containing eight rooms, exclusive of those required for tho use of the family.
Tho seventh day of June, A.D., 1873. JOHN CAMPBELL. (P.2, Leader, Melbourne, 14-6-1873.)

N.B. THE ABOVE TWO NOTICES WERE THE ONLY RESULTS ON TROVE FOR "JOHN CAMPBELL, RYE" DURING THE DECADE 1870-1879.My next step was going to be a check to see if George Trueman had in 1872 been leasing another hotel in Rye, such as Patrick Sullivan's GRACEFIELD HOTEL, which I think was said to have been established in 1877. I don't really need to because of the 1873 notice. But I'll do it anyway! "hotel,rye" 1872. This search produced not one result,illustrating one problem with Rye; George Trueman's notice was published in 1872 but did not use the word HOTEL, instead referring to a licence for a house. I substituted "license, house,rye" in 1872,again getting no result but when I deleted the inverted commas, I obtained George's notice and 50 other results,none of the latter referring to Rye, except forthe sale of town lots in 1872. "Hotel, Rye" 1870-1879 showed a flurry of advertisements for Sullivan's, or the Gracefield, six miles from Sorrento from about 1877 and that Rye had only one hotel before this, the second TOOTGAROOK Hotel established by Cottier 1867,lost by him when the partnership with Campbell was dissolved just prior to Cottier's insolvency, leased by George Trueman in 1872, and operated from 1873 by the grantee of the land on which it stood, John Campbell.

C.N.Hollinshed stated in LIME LAND LEISURE that the Cottier family had gained a licence for a "house" in Dromana called the Rye Hotel and that this licence had been transferred to Tootgarook,thus giving the town its present name. This was proven wrong in my journal about William Cottier, whose aim was to confirm Hollinshed's claim. However the author had stated that the FIRST RYE HOTEL IN RYE was east of Lyons St and produced a map of historic sites in Rye showing Campbell's Hotel precisely on Campbell's grants (as indicated by the Rye Township map.) Because of lack of detail in rate records for about the first five decades of municipal government,it cannot be stated without dispute that Cottier's 1867 TOOTGAROOK HOTEL was on Campbell's grants but the following makes it very likely.

NOTICE.-The PARTNERSHIP hitherto subsisting between WILLIAM COTTIER and JOHN CAMPBELL, trading as " Wm. Cottier and Campbell," at Tootgarook, has this day been DISSOLVED by mutual consent.All liabilities will be paid and all moneys received by William Cottier.
JOHN CAMPBELL. WM. COTTIER., Melbourne 18th April, 1870. (P.3, Argus, 14-4-1870.)

Charles Hollinshed was right about the original RYE HOTEL being associated with Cottier (although the given name he used was James). The second Rye Hotel, the present one, was built in art deco style by Mrs Hunt (who demolished the Gracefield Hotel in the late 1920's) as detailed on the foundation stone. But the partnership's name for the 1867 establishment was the Tootgarook Hotel and it would appear to be John Campbell,now the sole owner, who renamed it the Rye Hotel in 1873. It is not known what name George Trueman had given it in 1872.

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