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GRAY'S HILL, TULLAMARINE, VIC., AUST. KISSING NEIGHBOURS.

Gray's hill was described by the late Wally Mansfield a quarter of a century ago as the eastward climb up Mansfields Rd, Tullamarine, from Deep Creek. This meant little at the time because I had not yet inspected Bulla rates and it was not for another decade that I saw a plan of John Pascoe Fawkner's subdivision of Crown Allotment 13 A in the parish of Tullamarine. It is likely that it was Malcolm Ritchie walking from Overpostle on Tullamarine Island (Melway 3 J3) to Aucholzie (4 F6) in the following article. They might have been going in the opposite direction but in each case, Ritchie would have passed the Gray family's "Bellno" and young Gray's problem most likely happened as he walked uphill.

The coroner held a second inquest at the same place (Tullamarine) on the body of Charles Edward Gray, aged twenty-eight years, who died on the 27th ult. On Wednesday morning deceased, accompanied by a farmer, named
Ritchie, were proceeding to a farm belonging to the latter person, but they had not walked 200 yards when deceased fell down and complained of a pain in one of his legs. He became worse, and suffered from pain in the
region of the heart until the time of his death, which occurred within an hour after his illness. A post-mortem examination made by Mr. Gibson showed the cause of death to have been effusion into the pericardium. A verdict was returned that deceased died from disease of the heart.
(P.5,Argus,2-6-1868.)

MARRIED.
On the 26th ult., at North Melbourne, by the Rev.John Reid, Mr. Malcolm Ritchie, Aucholzie, Keilor,to Miss Jane Gray, daughter of Mr. Donald Gray,Bellno, Deep Creek.(P.4, Argus,2-10-1856.)

GRANT-RITCHIE.-On the 28th inst., at Aucholzie, by Rev. Hugh McKail, Angus Francis Grant, Yarrawonga, son of John Grant, Esq., Seafield, to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Malcolm Ritchie, Esq., Aucholzie, Tullamarine.
(P.1, Argus,30-1-1880.)
Seafield (Melway 4 J7) was across McNab's Rd from Aucholzie and young Angus and Elizabeth had probably been schoolmates at the Seafield school under Samuel Lazarus. William took over Craigllachie,(Melway 4A2) directly across Deep Creek from Donald Gray's Bellno but he displeased David Mansfield by blocking the road that joined Loemans Rd to Gray's Hill on Mansfields Rd via the ford.

From J. R.Thompson, solicitor,Melbourne, stating he had been consulted by Mr. David Mansfield with reference
to a fence which obstructs and is placed across the Government road leading from his client's property at Tullamarine to Sunbury. He understood the fence was on that part of the road that crosses 'Tullamarine Island.' His client asked that the council, whose duty it was to keep open for public use and free from obstruction every road on the public highways, would take steps to have the said fence removed.

The Secretary said the road was on Grant's property on Tullamarine Island (Loeman's)road and there was a swing gate available. The President said he understood the road was only required to bring stock to Sunbury, a saving of four miles being effected. The track was not safe for vehicular traffic, but a slight deviation on to Peters' property (Overpostle, now owned by William Peter)would give a good crossing. (etc.)
(P.2,Sunbury News, 22-8-1903,Bulla Shire.)

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GREEN'S CORNER, TULLAMARINE, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.

Green's Corner is now occupied by the 711 service station. It was a Mobil garage when I arrived in Tullamarine in 1971 and until very recently. All the old timers knew it as Green's Corner because Cec and Lily Green bought the old Junction Hotel after Tommy Loft got it closed down in 1929.They conducted a shop in it and had a petrol bowser outside.One of Lily Green's happiest memories was serving Alister Clark of Glenara.
One story not mentioned in the attached newspaper article was told to me by a Green descendant. A former policeman called into the shop, and as they chatted about the old days, he said that he could show them something that would interest them. Cec and Lily followed him as he walked over to a door. "There it is!" he said. Funny, they had never noticed it! Almost completely lodged in the timber was a bullet fired in an attempt to arrest a bloke who had made the Junction one of his haunts: Squizzie Taylor.


HADDON OF DROMANA AND BARRAGUNDA (NEAR THE LIGHTHOUSE AT CAPE SCHANCK), VIC., AUST.)

Hi XXX,
I am sure this lady could have told a few stories.

HADDON, MRS MARION
28th September 1934, Frankston & Somerville Standard
OBITUARY
MRS. MARION HADDON
PONEER OF THE PENINSULA.
The death of Mrs. Marion Haddon, aged 96 years, At the residence of her son-in-law, Mr G. McBride, at Main Ridge, on September 19 marked the passing of one of the Peninsula's earliest pioneers. Burial took place last Friday in the Flinders cemetery, the remains being Interred in the same grave as those of her husband who died about 20 years ago. Many beautiful floral tributes were received and the funeral was attended by a large number of persons representative of all parts of the district. The casket was carried by Messrs. J. Berkley, D. Campbell, C. White and J. Haddon. The pall-bearers were Councillors Higgens and Rudduck, Messrs. W. Gibson, R. White, J. Matthews, T. Derby and G. White. The Rev. W. Adams of Dromana, conducted a service at the house and read the burial service at the grave. Mr.Hector Gamble of Frankston, and Mornington, had charge of the funeral arrangements.
The late Mrs. Haddon was ill for only a few days before her death. Despite her great age, she recorded her vote at the polling booth on September 15. Married when aged 18 years, she came from Scotland with her husband 76 years ago. After their arrival in Australia they settled at Dromana. The late Mr. Haddon was employed by Mr Anderson on his station at Cape Schank where they lived until about 20 years ago. Mrs. Haddon lived in the districts of Dromana and Flinders for 76 years. She said that the first white woman she met in Dromana was the late Mrs. Holden who died only a few weeks ago. Mrs. Haddon had a family of nine children of whom two sons and five daughters survive her. There are 32 grandchildren, 49 great -grand- children and 18 great-great-grand children. The late Mrs: Haddon was held in high esteem and had a large circle of friends.
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I wonder if Robert Joseph Haddon was a descendant of Marion. He produced a calendar some time before 1927,with one of his paintings being of a yacht sailing in Dromana bay.

MR. THOMAS HADDON.
Mr. Thomas Haddon passed away on 26th April. He was a native of Red Hill, and leaves a wife and four
children to mourn his loss. His parents live at Flinders. The funeral took place on 28th April, the remains being interred in the Frankston Cemetery. The pall-bearers were Messrs J. Haddon, G. McBride,J. Wilson, J. Patterson, G. Tuck, G.Cairns. The coffin-bearers were: Messrs J. Haddon, C. Tuck, R.Thompson, G. White. Rev.. C. H.Ball read the burial service, and Messrs Hector Gamble and Son conducted the funeral arrangements.((P.7, Standard (Frankston), 10-5-1945.)

Pall and coffin bearers' names seem to indicate that the Haddon family may have been good friend, if not relatives of the descendants of Sarah Wilson. James Matthews, a Dromana carpenter, one of Henry Tuck Jnr's daughters and Robert Wilson were all related to Sarah.

HAY LONIE, OF PRESTON, CAMPBELLFIELD, TULLAMARINE, BULLA AND KILMORE, VIC., AUST. (and Peter Young.)

I will never forget the first time I saw Hay Lonie's name in a Broadmeadows Shire ratebook. I was having trouble deciphering some of the words because of terrible handwriting, sometimes taking five minutes to establish what a particular letter might be. "What sort of name is Hay?" I thought. It was not until nearly a year later, when I found his name in the Bulla shire ratebook re the assessment for Lochton, that I was reassured that he indeed had the same name as the area's principal crop.

I have included details (obituary, location etc. re Pasture Hill, Camp Hill and Lochton) about Hay in my journal 1888 GEOGRAPHY WITH THE MELBOURNE HUNT and having found the location of his Kilmore property, I decided that a separate journal might allow me to include that and other information I might discover.

TROVE SEARCH-"HAY LONIE, MILK".
Mr' Norman Bowers' Valleyfield estate was one of the very earliest settled farms in Kilmore district. It
is about four miles north-west of the town, with extensive frontages to Pyalong road, which runs through
the property. Some eighty years ago the original place was farmed, and later the home, which was right on
the roadway, was used as a hotel Harvest Home, the proprietor being Mr A. Downs. For a period the spot was a favorite locale for Kilmore picnics, which were numerous about 65 years ago. The property was added to considerably, and subsequently became an extensive dairy farm, conducted by the late Mr Hay Lonie.
About 250 cows were milked on the premises morning and evening, all by hand, and Mr Lonie himself despatched a waggon load of milk by the first train,' at 7 a.m., from Kilmore East, and again in the evening, six days a
week for Melbourne, and also a consignment on Sunday evenings, each trip meaning six miles from and to his farm. After Mr Lonie's death,the Valleyfield property changed hands, and Mr S. Bowers became owner.
(Present & Past WOOL v. MILK Kilmore Free Press (Kilmore, Vic. : 1870 - 1954) Thursday 24 October 1935 p 4. )

Golden Vein.
On Wednesday Messrs. Osborn and Hudson conducted a clearing out sale on account of Mr. J. H. McIvor at the Golden Vein estate in Moranding, when a large number of sheep, cattle, horses, plant, hay,furniture, and sundries came under the hammer to a big attendance of buyers and onlookers. A good clearance was effected at satisfactory prices.

In the late sixties and early seventies the Golden Vein property of 869 acres was owned by Mr.Laurence Bourke, M.L.A., and about 1872 the holding became the property of Mr. Hay Lonie, of Tullarmarine (sic), and from whom it was rented by Mr James McLeod at 5/- per acre. Fifty-seven cows were milked twice daily, giving an average of two and a half gallons, one gallon of milk making one pound of cheese.

Mr. McLeod introduced the Cheddar system into the district. (Details.....).

During Mr.Bourke's ownership, the Golden Vein was in a slovenly and untidy condition, owing to the fact that Mr.Bourke had to be absent a good deal on Parliamentary business, and the men he employed were careless and
slovenly, and the fences broken down and left there, because the men would not repair them. On the expiry of Mr. McLeod's lease, .Mr.Lonie went on to the farm and worked it for many years; principally in dairying. After Mr. Lonie's death the property was purchased by Mr.R. Fennelly,and leased to Mr.I W. Mclvor, who carried on a high class Ayrshire stud herd for some years. (etc.)
( Golden Vein.Kilmore Free Press (Kilmore, Vic. : 1870 - 1954) Thursday 16 January 1936 p 2 Article.)

This must be the article mentioned in his obituary (which debunked rumours that Hay had committed suicide.)

Mr Hay Lonie, well known in this district, has been missing since Wednesday, 14th instant. On the evening of that date he left Mr Grace's, South Melbourne, and since that time nothing has been heard of his movements. Much sympathy is felt for Mrs Lonie and family, whose state of anxiety can well be imagined. [Since writing above we learn with much regret that the remains were found in Melbourne yesterday, but up to the present we
have not been able to find further particulars than those conveyed in the following from the Herald of
yesterday :-"About 7 o'clock this morning a boy named William Bell, went to Constable T. Martin, who was on duty on Prince's Bridge, and informed him that the body of a man was floating in the River Yarra a short distance east of the bridge. Martin went to the spot indicated, recovered the body, and conveyed it to the City Morgue. The death has been reported to Dr Youl, and an inquest will be held, probably to-morrow." The remains
will be interred in the Kilmore Cemetery this (Thursday) evening.]
(P.3, Kilmore Free Press, 22-12-1892.)

HAY LONIE, PETER YOUNG SEARCH ON TROVE. (EH?)
The reason for this search will be explained later.

1884.October 23- The sudden death of Miss Barbara, oldest daughter of Mr Hay Lonie,and a most amiable girl, took place on 19th instant aged 19 years.
(Early Kilmore. PART LXI.
Kilmore Free Press (Kilmore, Vic. : 1870 - 1954) Thursday 10 June 1915 Edition: MORNING. p 1 Article.)

Not much else turned up except that Hay seems to have been awarded a government contact for the supply of milk while he was milking all those cows on Pasture Hill at Campbellfield.
(THE GAZETTE, P.6,Argus,8-12-1866.)

Let's try PETER YOUNG,KILMORE.
Oh dear,let's try JOHN THOMAS SMITH AND HIS ELECTORS on google.

No wonder, the above search did not produce clear results; I had the right area but the wrong town!

A website headed FREDERICK XAVIER TO ARTHUR ZOUCH has the following information.
The Melbourne Times of 23-4-1842 recorded that Peter Young had been granted a publican's licence for the "Bushman" in Sydney Road.The Port Phillip of 21-4-1843 shows that the hotel, once again described as being on Sydney Road was now called the Sugar Loaf Inn. The same paper, on 27-4-1844,stated that Peter had been granted his licence but the hotel was again called the Bushman.
(An alphabetical listing of squatters and their runs, from correspondence with the Governor, which is a different website, lists Peter Young of the Sugar Loaf Run.) Given Peter's purchase of land in Seymour at the first sales, his conducting the first sales in the township and the fact that Sugarloaf Creek intersects the Hume Highway in Seymour, it is reasonable to assume that the hotel was at Seymour and not in modern-day Carlton, Brunswick (or Plenty, Pascoeville near the Young Queen Inn, or Tullamarine near the Lady of the Lake- routes more likely to be called Sydney Road in the 1840's.)
Rev. Peter Gunn, who became the minister at Campbellfield's historic Scots Church (Melway 7 H6), had visited the Golburn (River?) area and Peter was among a large number who signed a letter of encouragement and contributed 50 pounds to support his ministry; another signatory was from Sunday Creek, which joins Sugarloaf Creek.(Port Phillip Herald 1-10-1844.)

Peter Young and Elizabeth christened John William in 1843.
Peter Young purchased allotments at the first sale of blocks at Seymour. (Melbourne Weekly Courier 23-3-1844.)
Peter Young was one of 469 voters who qualified by freehold in Seymour in the list of electors in the District of Bourke (Melbourne Courier 8-8-1845.)Peter Young was listed in the (1847?) Port Phillip directory as a settler, Seymour, Sydney Rd.

The website also lists newspaper reports showing that Peter Young was given depasturing licences in July 1843 and October 1844 in the Westernport District.Ah hah, I thought, perhaps Peter had been on Clyde Farm, Westernport before he went to Bulla. Then I remembered my search for a grant (or licence) that Captain Adams of Rosebud was supposed to have been given in about 1841. All such matters were dealt with in Sydney and the Public Records office gave me an index of correspondence. As Peninsula pioneers were referred to as late as 1888 in "Victoria and Its Metropolis" as being in the Westernport District, I concentrated on those entries.

Imagine my surprise to find Barker's Mt Alexander Run (near Castlemaine) described as being in the Westernport District! In view of what has been mentioned before, Peter Young's depasturing licences were almost certainly near Seymour.

Still none the wiser,about when Peter left Nairn, I returned to Trove and tried "Nairn, Bulla, Young, 1850-1867".
Argus 18-4-1853 page 12. Peter was offering Nairn for sale by private contract. He had probably only been there for about five years but how much he had accomplished! The advertisement describes the property in great detail, including the waterfall.For the sale of his furniture, library, stock, vehicles and so on, Peter employed prominent auctioneer, Dalmahoy Campbell (much discussed by Harry Peck in his "Memoirs of a Stockman.) (See Argus 20-5-1853 page 9.)

Argus 4-6-1853 page 8, column 1. Peter offered an incredible variety of grape vine cuttings for sale.


What does Peter Young have to do with the price of fish?

I have a theory that Peter Young influenced Hay Lonie's move to the Kilmore area and may have even been the land agent who handled the sale of Bourke's "Golden Vein" to Hay. Young would have been familiar with the Kilmore area, from very early days as he would pass through it on the way from Sunday Creek to Melbourne. As we all do,he'd return nostagically to his former haunt and perhaps visit relatives at Kilmore; James Young of Tabilk might have been a son (both having agricultural links with Tasmania.) With the eye of an expert agriculturalist and land agent,Peter may have noted the decrepit state of the "Golden Vein" and its potential as a dairy farm, and told Hay while making a nostalgic visit to Nairn at Bulla.

Hay Lonie's "Lochton" was 5a, Bulla, south of "Airey's" (through which Wildwood Rd zig-zags its way almost down to Deep Creek from the St John's Rd junction and which became part of David Patullo's "Craigbank estate)and Hay would have passed Lochton to reach Nairn, which he may have been leasing to McIntosh at the time, (7b-Melway 384 D-E11 and south half E10, and section 8-between St Johns and Oaklands Rds, 384 F-J, part 9-12.)


HAY LONIE GOOGLE SEARCH.
Born in Cupar, Fife, Scotland on 22 Nov 1842 to Andrew Lonie and Mary Fife. Hay married Jane McGregor and had 4 children. He passed away on 1892 in Melbourne East.
Family Members
Parents: Andrew Lonie 1804-1873; Mary Fife 1809-1877. Spouse(s) Jane McGregor
Children: Barbara Lonie 1865-1884; Mary Fife Lonie 1869-?; Andrew McGregor Lonie 1874-?;
Jean Elizabeth Lonie 1883-?
( Hay Lonie - Profiles and Historical Records - Ancestry.com
records.ancestry.com/Hay_Lonie_records.ashx?pid=48371049‎)

Hay was a brother of Henry Fife Lonie, one of whose children was William Hay Lonie. Good photos of W.H.Lonie and Henry's wife in:
William Hay Lonie - Profiles and Historical Records - Ancestry.com
records.ancestry.com/William_Hay_Lonie_records.ashx?pid=97465717‎

Given Names Hay
Surname / Family Name LONIE
Gender Male
Birth Date 22 NOV 1842
Birth Place Cupar, Fife, Scotland
Death Date 1892
Death Place Melbourne, Victoria, AUSTRALIA


Name at Birth: Hay LONIE
Birth: 22 NOV 1842 - Cupar, Fife, Scotland
Census: 1851 - Cupar, Fife, Scotland
Departure: 1854 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Arrival: Aboard the "Black Eagle". 19 OCT 1854 - Melbourne, Victoria, AUSTRALIA
Death: 1892 - Melbourne, Victoria, AUSTRALIA
Gender: Male
(www.familypursuit.com/genealogy/lonie_hay/hay-lonie-b.1842-d.1892-1‎)

TROVE SEARCH FOR HAY LONIE.
As the text in the following item has been corrected, obviously by a family historian, I do not wish to interfere with sales of the book that must be underway. Hay put 313 acres at Kilmore into the name of Henry's wife, Jane (Hay's sister-in-law),to avoid paying tax. The McGregors are mentioned.
(Kilmore Free Press (Kilmore, Vic. : 1870 - 1954) Thursday 11 October 1883 Edition: MORNING. p 3 Article)


OOPSEY!
Henry Lonie's wife was Jemima (nee Hall.) Hay had put the 313 acres into the name of his own wife,Jane (nee McGregor.) Henry obviously leased his farm at Kilmore to his cheese-making in-laws until he moved north.The text has not been corrected so I will post the following.


CORRESPONDENCE.
A CORRECTION.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE KILMORE FREE PRESS
Sir,-In your issue of the 11th inst. you gave a report in re Land Tax case wherein there appears to be a slight error in having used the name of "Henry" instead of "Hay." It should have been "Jane Lonie wife of Hay Lonie" not of "Henry Lonie," and the mistake is attributable to a clerical error for which you are not accountable.-.You will greatly oblige Mr Hay Lonie and myself by kindly giving this publication.
Yours faithfully, ALEX. GRANT.59 Temple Court, Melbourne, 23rd October, 1883.
(P.3,Kilmore Free Press, 25-10-1883.)

Family Notices
Kilmore Free Press (Kilmore, Vic. : 1870 - 1954) Thursday 23 October 1884 Edition: MORNING. p 2 Family Notices
... DEATH. LONIE.-On the 19th instant, suddenly, Barbara, daughter of Mr Hay Lonie, Valley field, aged 19 years.


I THINK I CAN LEAVE ANY OTHER TROVE INFORMATION TO THE TEXT-CORRECTOR TO COMPILE.
The following won't be found online apart from here. It comes from a general rundown on Tullamarine and surrounds circa 1860 on page 11 of my TULLAMARINE BEFORE THE JETPORT (1998.) The source for this excerpt has to be the Broadmeadows rate book of 1863.

Hay Lonie is renting land at Campbellfield with Brunton (possibly the flour miller and later owner of Roxburgh Park.) Not long after,he buys Camp Hill (16 B2) and Lochton (177 C4) to conduct his dairying.

Hay might have had outlets for his milk in Fitzroy and Hotham (North Melbourne.)
J ANTED, a good MILKER and DRIVER Apply Lonie s dalry, opposite Fltzroj Market.(P.1, Argus, 24-10-1867.)

If you think the digitisation above is bad, try this.
I've corrected the relevant bits. (REMEMBER TO SEARCH THORNGROVE)

TUESDAf, MARCH iiHi} esend. Agricultural inil Grazing Fjrni, ATill ff ill Rook, fronting the Old Sydney road *,Between Broadmeadows and Campbellfield 305 Acres Tlrat-elosa Land In tho Trust Estafo ofltho late Mr James Hearn.
M3 ROBERT BYRNE** ia favoured with Instruc. tiona to SELL bj AUCTION, ut his rooina, 2S Collins street east, on Tjesda}, March 24, at twelveo clock noon precise!}, {
That well known dairy and agricultural farm, adjoining Campbellfield, being Allotment B of Section 15 parish of Will Will Rook, containing 305.5 acres lately occupied by H Lonie, Esq.
(P.2, Argus, 16-3-1868.)

*The original Sydney Rd passed the Young Queen Inn at Melway 16 H9,near Bass St,turning left at 6 G9, veering right onto Johnstone (sic) St at 6 C8 (to avoid the creek) and left into Raleigh St, turning right again up the Ardlie St hill and then it was follow your nose (Mickleham Rd)to Wallan. The road is still called Old Sydney Rd north of Donnybrook Rd. This roundabout and very hilly route was necessary because of the Sydney road track being extremely boggy in wet weather. Later Pascoe Vale Road was made to the line of Somerton Rd, which was made toward Sydney Rd between Thorngrove and Cameron's Stony Fields/Roxburgh Park,with travellers possibly veering north east through the middle of the township where the Cliffords and Kernans were pioneers (Cliffords Rd.) Another route was along High St or Plenty Rd which also joined the Sydney road (and the road to the McIvor Diggings) near Wallan. When the direct route was made, the Young Queen and Broadmeadows Township went into limbo and a new Young Queen was built at Coburg.(Melway touring map 510 A10.)
SOURCES: BROADMEADOWS:A FORGOTTEN HISTORY,A.Lemon; BETWEEN TWO CREEKS (Coburg),R.Broome.

**James Hearn owned much land at Mt Martha, as did Robert Byrne.


SALE OF PROPERTY.
Messrs. Campbell and Sons, Kirk's Bazaar, report having sold, on account of Messrs. W. C. Hearn andThomas Wragge, trustees in the estate of the late James Hearn, their farm, situate at Somerton, and known as the Thorngrove Farm, and containing 338 acres. Mr. John Hearn was the purchaser, at a satisfactory price.
(P.5,Argus, 18-2-1892.)

I thought I knew the location of the farm on which Hay Lonie had been dairying prior to the 1868 advertisement. Big Clarke died at Roseneath in Woodland St, the residence of James Hearn, whom Lenore Frost said (in her book about Essendon's historic houses), was his son-in-law. Having done extensive research about the farms on Somerton Rd, I presumed Hay had been on Thorngrove (Melway 179 G-J9-11) but that was 4J of the parish of Yuroke and consisted of 338 acres.

The Will Will Rook map is also available online and it shows the 305 acres 2 roods 22 perches, 15B, Will Will Rook, described in the 1868 advertisement. Like Thorngrove,it had been granted to W.J.T. (Big) Clarke.


Crown allotment 15B, Will Will Rook, is indicated by Melway - I apologise for the delay. Before I could transpose this on my Melway, I had to plot the Yuroke/Will Will Rook boundary on maps 178,179, 6 and 7. As there is no road along the boundary,I had to start at Swain St (198 H12) and continue east through Dench's Lane
178 J-K12)so that my line met Merri Creek at exactly the same place as shown on the parish map,which it did. The parish boundary meets Merri Creek at the point where the Hume Freeway crosses the creek,which is also the north west corner of the Lalor Golf Course. (If you manage to transpose parish and crown allotment boundaries properly, there are always indications that you are right.)

The parish boundary is also the northern boundary of 15B, Will Will Rook. The corner of Berringa Court (6 J1) is at the north east corner and the boundary passes through the Kyabram St/Flynn Crescent corner ending at the top of 7 C2, 40 metres west of the Upfield railway line.

The southern boundary of 15B is Barry Rd,named after the pioneering family that lived on "Glenbarry".
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 24 April 1856 p 4 Family Notices
Campbellfield, Mr. William Barry, aged fifty-six years etc.
Garrett Barry married an Angel!


The western boundary of the 305.3875 acres is the original course of Pascoe Vale Rd,just west of the railway and the Barry Rd railway bridge. The eastern boundary is indicated by the line of King St (as it crosses Barry Rd) continued to meet (not quite) the Upfield line; if continued it would meet the western boundary of the Ford land just over the railway line (one of those welcome confirmations of accuracy I was talking about.)

HELP CAMERON CAIRNS TO GRANT THE BONEO BRADMAN'S WISH (VIC.,AUST.)

In THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO, written by Peter Wilson (descendant of Walter Burnham), the late Ray Cairns (then a spring chicken in his seventies) thanked Peter for putting his (Ray's) information into a readable form and expressed the wish that somebody would expand the information contained in the book.

Family tree circles has enabled me to sort out the different White families on the southern peninsula (and Blooming/Bullocky Bob White of Red Hill, due to help from descendants of the lime burning Irish family and the Rosebud/ Red Hill family and help toolaroo write his book about the latter (which is connected to the Cairns family of Clackmannan in Scotland.) I have been also able to bring together family historians who were able to ease the work load and expand what they knew by sharing their knowledge.

Well, Ray's wish has been granted by Cameron Cairns. I hope somebody else is also researching the Cairns family and that person and Cameron can team up to not only expand what each has achieved but also solve those puzzles and dead ends which so often crop up. If this somebody is you,can you private message me with your email address and I will pass it on to Cameron. (P.S. We've already had a lengthy phone chat.) I apologise to Cameron for not reacting re his desire to discover a fellow Cairns researcher earlier; see bold type in the email.

Hi Ray,

Thanks for your reply.

I have spent today covering most of your journal entries which include references to the Cairns family in Boneo. Your work to date is very impressive, especially the rates and valuations. I recently obtained/downloaded the electronic copies of several of the parish maps available through the State Library of Victoria website

I have Peter Wilson and Ray Cairns' booklet (my second copy). I have been building on that book using the electronic records that would not have been previously available as a means to cross reference and expand the previous work. I have also managed to find a few elderly distant relatives who have been good enough to meet with me and in some cases provide me with copies of some valuable photos (including one of Mary Drysdale, Robert snr's wife, and another with 5 of Robert and Mary's oldest sons)

I grew up in Blairgowrie but now live in Brunswick. I still have family in Blairgowrie and Rye and will probably be down again in the next couple of months, if so it would be good to catch up to exchange notes if possible? Apart from that perhaps I could give you a call sometime in the next week if there was a suitable time and day for you? I would be interested to contact anyone you may know on the Peninsula who is currently researching Cairns family history.

I think I can help you with you the following post: "THE HALF BROTHERS OF THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO: "LYNDFIELD" IN THE PARISH OF LYNDHURST, VIC., AUST" The half brothers and the second marriage in Scotland is something I have been trying to crack which has been a little frustrating to say the least.

Look forward to keeping in touch

Regards

Cameron Cairns

HELP!!! JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER, SQUATTER.

Alistair Rosie makes repeated references to John Pascoe Fawkner being an early squatter in the Pascoe Vale area. His "run" was supposed to have been named Belle Vue Park. He certainly owned Belle Vue Park, having purchased it in 1839 but after a total of twenty hours trying to confirm or dispel this claim, including two hours this morning, I am no closer to a solution. There is no mention of depasturing licences in Port Phillip District in 1838 on trove and the only other connection I have found between Fawkner and squatting (except for his strident opposition to squatters)will be detailed later.

This morning's search was in vain but, as usual, turned up some interesting information. A website about St Kilda explained the origins of two names associated with the former shire of Broadmeadows. The aboriginal name for the St Kilda area was Yuroe Yuroke which described grinding stones found at the base of the red sandstone cliffs. Walert-gurn was the term for possum skin rugs. These were Boon-wurrung words, this clan occupying Melbourne's coastal area to Werribee as well as the Mornington Peninsula etc. I believe that Wollert (as well as Yuroke) was a parish name. Another website described how squatters erected bells on large poles and would ring them if their stations were attacked by aborigines. The bell would alert neighbours (living 10 or more miles away) to danger and also summon help. This would probably explain the name of Bell Post Hill in Geelong.

One criticism of J.P.Fawkner was that he was a hypocrite. Although his land purchases at Pascoeville and central Coburg (Jika Jika), Box Forest (Will Will Rook), sections 7, 10 and 13 (Tullamarine) and 22C (Doutta Galla) and perhaps others, were intended to provide his beloved yoeman farmers with the opportunity to obtain freeholds, he had actually been a squatter himself before the crash of 1843. Richard Broome's "Between Two Creeks", a history of Coburg, provides the information that Fawkner's Run was called Moonjettee (or something similar; I am relying on a 20 year old recall)from which the name of Monegeetta is derived.

To my knowledge, no depasturing licences were issued for the Port Phillip District before Fawkner bought Belle Vue Park but Fawkner may have squatted there illegally. I would much appreciate it if anyone can provide evidence of squatting licences being issued before 1939 or Fawkner actually occupying land at Pascoe Vale before he bought it. Just an afterthought, Governor Bourke visited John Aitken at Mt Aitken, west of Sunbury, so perhaps licences had been issued before 1839. However as he had instructed Robert Hoddle to survey from Batman's Hill (Spencer St Station site)along the moonee moonee chain of ponds very early, to enable sale of land in Jika Jika and Doutta Galla, it is unlikely that the Governor would have approved of squatting in those parishes.

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HENRY DUNN (MORNINGTON) AND EDMOND DUNN (TULLAMARINE) WERE BROTHERS; VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.

YET ANOTHER CONNECTION BETWEEN TULLAMARINE AND THE PENINSULA. When I was writing my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND (pages D 86-7) in about 1990, I had no idea where Jamieson's Survey was and I'd never heard of Henry Dunn.
Henry leased Jamieson's Special Survey (Safety Beach area, east to Bulldog Creek Rd) from 1846 to 1851 according to Colin McLear.Henry later received the grants in Moorooduc which led to the naming of Dunns Rd and "Four Winds" in Kangerong on the south corner of White Hill and McIlroys Rds at Red Hill. Edmund Dunn of Viewpoint at Tullamarine might have been Henry's brother.
As the 3000 plus pages of DHOTAMA are handwritten, I can't copy and paste but I'll transcribe the start of his biography on page 424 of VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS: PAST AND PRESENT. According to Edmond, he leased land on Jamieson's Survey for FIVE years before buying Viewpoint in 1849. The year of purchase could be right because the two grants comprising the farm were issued in 1843 and 1846 (one of the grantees being Andrew Baxter who was related to Ben Baxter of Carrup Carrup/ Mornington Junction/ Baxter according to a Baxter descendant.) The details of Edmund's native place, voyage and arrival might apply to Henry.
DUNN, Edmond, Broadmeadows, is a native of Devonshire, England who arrived on the WESTMINSTER in 1841 after a voyage of 100 days. He resided in the metropolis for a few years, working for other and doing a little farming on his own account, growing oats on a small patch of land on which Coburg now stands. After leasing some land on Jamieson's Survey for five years, in 1849 he purchased Viewpoint Farm at Brodmeadows and commenced growing wheat. The area of his farm is 325 acres and he also owns 3000 acres and leases 5000 acres on the Loddon. He was married in 1847 to Miss George, a native of Somersetshire, who came out on the same ship with him etc.
As expected, Valerie Wilson O.A.M., has written about Henry Dunn on her excellent Mornington Cemetery pioneers website.
The Dunn Family
Henry Dunn was born in 1808, the son of Charles and Thomasina (Hooper) Dunn.
He was a farmer and grazier, and a very early pioneer of the Mornington area.
From 1846 until 1851 he leased the land known as Jamieson’s Special Survey at Safety Beach, south of Mt Martha.
William Dunn was born to Henry and his wife Catherine in Moorooduc, in 1865.
Henry Dunn died in 1891 and he and Catherine are buried in the Mornington cemetery.
Oak Hill
Oak Hill, Mornington – Tyabb Rd.
It is believed they are in the same grave as their son and his wife, but the headstone only acknowledges the presence of William Henry and wife, Betsy.
William Dunn purchased the property known as Park Hill in 1890, to run as a pastoral lease.
The property stretched from Mornington-Tyabb Road along Dunns Rd, to Bentons Rd, to Moorooduc Highway, and passed through three generations before being subdivided.
The homestead built on the property by William in 1892, is now the Oak Hill Gallery.
This is on part of the property which became the Mornington Peninsula Shire Civic Reserve in 1999.
William Dunn married Betsy Harrap in 1894, and together with his son Howard, later ran a dairy and a milk run from the property. The Dairy run was sold to James Sawyer in 1920.
William was also the local Pound Keeper.
William died in 1934 and Betsy in 1943.
Henry Dunn's biography was not in VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS. It is significant that the Harraps had lived a few miles north of Tullamarine before moving to Mornington. The source for this is Neil Hamilton Mansfield's 700+ page THE DAVID MANSFIELD STORY. As Harrap is not in the index, it will take many hours to find the reference. Henry Harrap's wife (nee Bennett, I believe) was born at Kilmore and buried at the Keilor Cemetery. In a roundabout way, she was related to me.
Edmond Dunn died in 1891, the same year as Henry.
(The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 22 May 1891 p 1)
In 1868 the Melbourne Hunt whose master was Samuel Waldock caused much destruction as they rode through Viewpoint and Edmond's testimony at the trial in which he sued Waldock for damages shows that he retained links with the peninsula.
"Edmund Dunn, who stated,-I am a farmer at Tullamarine, in the neighbourhood of Broadmeadows." (He described the damage.)
"Cross-examined by Mr. FELLOWS.-I paid 6s. each for the sheep.
Mr. FELLOWS.-They were scabby, were they not?
Witness.-They were not. I bought them at Cape Schanck, from Mr. Anderson. I don't know why they were so cheap. I got them at 6s., because I suppose Anderson could not get more. They never had scab, and were never treated for it." (http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5831477…|||l-state=Victoria|||l-year=1868)
Edmund's brave stand against the prominent gentlemen of the Melbourne Hunt led to the formation of an organisation with a strange name but plenty of clout.
PAGE 3, ARGUS,4-8-1869.
The FENCE, HELD, and CHATTEL PRESERVATION LEAGUE.
A genealogical website indicates that Henry arrived on the same ship as Edmond (http://australiansurnamesgroup.yuku.com/topic/3696…)
her arrival in victoria in 1841 on ship Westminster - assisted immigrants victoria PROV
DUNN EDMUND 22 JUL 1841 WESTMINSTER 1 60
DUNN ELIZABETH 26 JUL 1841 WESTMINSTER 1 62
DUNN HENRY 28 JUL 1841 WESTMINSTER 1 56
DUNN MARY 38 JUL 1841 WESTMINSTER 1 56
Another genealogy website stated:
An Elizabeth and Edmund DUNN (brother and sister) arrive in Victoria 30 July 1841 aboard the WESTMINSTER Elizabeth aged 26 a housemaid living with her brother, Edmund aged 22 a lab. Both were protestants who could read and write. Also aboard the ship were a couple Henry 28 and Mary 38 also from Devon - can't say if they were connected as they are all listed separately. Edmund was to go to work for Dr THOMPSON. Henry was not engaged. (He was protestant who could read and write also)
It seems Henry died in Sn Point, Vic 1891 #17893 aged 83 parents Charles DUNN and Thomasina HOOPER (so born about 1808)
I checked and now I have found
Edmund DUNN baptised 17 Oct 1819 Sampford Courtney parents Charles and Thomasin (farmer) making Thomasin 48.
(http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=547631.0)
Henry and Edmund had the same parents, so I guess that made them brothers!

LAW REPORT. - SUPREME COURT. SITTINGS IN EQUITY. NEW COURT-HOUSE.—MONDAY, Nov. 2. (Before His Honour Mr. Justice Molesworth.) COLLINS V. ROB[?]INS. - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) - 4 Nov 1868
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HENRY WILLIAM WILSON OF DROMANA WAS NOT RELATED TO SARAH WILSON AND HER SONS, GEORGE AND ROBERT. (VIC., AUST.)

Henry William Wilson who married Thamer Burdett was the subject of one of my earliest journals as itellya on family tree circles. I speculated that he may have been related to Sarah Wilson, who was a fellow tenant on the survey in the early 1860's. Petronella Wilson's GIVING DESTINY A HAND, discovered years later, showed that there was absolutely no relationship, but my attempt just now to point out my wrong assumption would have taken years to submit in this journal (HENRY WILLIAM WILSON, BULLOCKY TO BUTCHER) and THE SHIRE OF FLINDERS, MORNINGTON PENINSULA, VIC., AUST. journal into which I had copied an excerpt.

A later journal was written, pointing out the danger of assuming a relationship between these and other Wilson families in Mornington, Tuerong and Main Ridge.