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It is very difficult to ascertain the first use of present names of streets and roads in the shire on trove. There would be no record of why streets were so named, so assumptions need to be made. Unfortunately,it is very highly unlikely that Joseph Banks' botanist mate, who climbed Arthurs Seat with Flinders, was the person being honoured.

I believe that the Rye end of the road, where James Little Brown turned burrows and scrub into beautiful pasture was first named, with perhaps other names applied east of Weeroona St. Later it would have made sense to apply one name to the whole length of the road as seems to have happened between Truemans Rd and Rye where Guest St, named after the family of Ray and Alma Guest,extends outside the Almaray Estate into the pre-emptive right and east into Alf Doig's Oceanaire Estate.

When Flinders (and Kangerong till 1914)Shire let contracts for roadworks they would state how many chains and the names of residents at each end of the stretch of road BECAUSE VERY FEW ROADS HAD NAMES.

As late as 1943, some roads still had different names than they bear today and they were probably not official. See George Hill's death notice below. Rye Rd was most likely today's Melbourne Rd.

HILL.-On April 28, at his residence, Rye road, Sorrento. George, dearly beloved husband of Elizabeth, loving father of Lucy(Mrs. Waldon) Ethel (Mrs. Cain), William, Charles, Arthur, Bob, Mary (Mrs. Aslin), Eric, Len, aged 77.(P.2, Argus, 29-4-1943.)

Eastbourne Rd in Rosebud was called Ford's Lane in about 1902 because Cr William Ford had owned the 660 acre Wannaeue Station on its south side from Jetty Rd(the road near the state school) to Boneo Rd (which was known as the Flinders road) a couple of decades earlier. By 1920 Jack Raper, a former Essendon Football Club player and official, whose embarrassing surname was pronounced by Rosebud oldtimers as Roper, owned the Wannaeue Estate and the road was called Roper's Lane. It is now named after S.S.Crispo's grants, which he named Eastbourne and where he wanted the new nation's capital to be sited and named Federanium. Edward Williams, whose new homestead (17 WILLIAM Crescent- how stupid!) was built a few years after his mate's death,retain Crispo's name for the property.

In about 1904 when Robert Henry Adams and Back Road Bob Cairns were having a huge drainage dispute, today's Bayview Rd was called Hobson's Flat road by Robert Anderson of Barragunda, Cape Schanck (to which the road led, meeting today's Boneo Rd at Melway 253 C 9-10.) (P.2, Mornington Standard, 29-10-1904.)

Weeroona St, Rye was called Jennings Road, after the family went to Rye from Camperdown and bought land rehabilitated by James Little Brown to establish "Kariah". It was between Weeroona Rd and Dundas St (which was originally known as Browns Rd.)

It is unknown when Dundas St became known as Browns Road but one would suspect that it was after the c.1909 arrival of JAMES LITTLE BROWN.

BROWN James Little J.P. 1915-22
(Postscript. Despite being called John in a long succession of assessments, the man after whom Browns Rd was named was James Little Brown.)

ROSEBUD. Mr J. L. Brown, who is opposing Mr Marsden in the West riding of the Flinders and Kangerong Shire, addressed the ratepayers on Tuesday evening. (P.3, Mornington Standard, 29-8-1914.)

At the last meeting of the Shire Council Councillor A.D.Forbes of the East Riding and Councillor J.L.Brown of the West Riding announced their intention of not seeking re election. The president (Councillor Macfarlan) and other councillors expressed regret at the announcements. In the Central Riding Councillor Wettenhall is opposed by Mr Holland of "The Rest" Flinders,and the contest is likely to be very keen.
(P.14, Argus, 17-8-1923, BALNARRING.)

LIME LAND LEISURE discusses at great length how James Little Brown arrived in Rye in 1909 on a pushbike, having previously been in the Mallee. He noted how similar the ti tree and rabbit infested area south of Rye was to King Island and bought much land that had passed into the hands of creditors. Patricia Appleford's RYE PRIMARY SCHOOL 1667, gives the same information but adds more detail.

Jim stayed for 18 days with Robert Rowley on the west side of Truemans Rd, south of Trueman's grant.Then he went to Melbourne and bought 1500 acres from banks and trust companies. In very short time, land was cleared, burned, fenced and sown with grass. The wire netting fences kept rabbits out and those trapped inside could not escape the inevitable.Overseen by James Cain and Robert Myers, well were dug and windmills installed to pump water into concrete troughs.

Within 12 months, Jim was selling fattened beef cattle. The rate collector may have made a mistake in 1910, unless Jim had a son called John. John H.Little Brown was assessed on:
245 acres (33AB, 35), 164 acres (29A), 102 acres (28A), 95 acres (26A) all in Wannaeue, and a total of 853 acres in the parish of Nepean (west of Weeroona Rd.)The strange thing is that there was no member of the Brown family assessed in the Wannaeue parish part of West Riding in 1919, with one exception! The location of each piece of Wannaeue land, with the name of the grantee, follows.

35, 173 acres, P.Sullivan, Melway 168 H-J11-12, 251H-J1,adjoining The Dunes.
33A, 148 acres, P.Sullivan, 251 J 2-3, K3.
33B, 40 acres, J.B.Davies, 251, K2.
29, 164.5 acres, J.Spunner, 252 D1-3.
26A, 21.5 acres, W.A.Blair Jnr, bottom third of 252 F-G 1 with a 228 metre frontage to the west side of Truemans Rd and extending to the east boundary of the Eagle Ridge Golf Course. The rate collector had it wrong; Crown allotment 26, granted to Edward Ford, consisted of 95 acres 2 roods and 20 perches and was obviously the land being assessed..
26, 95 acres, E.Ford, 252 G2-3, with frontages of 784 metres to Truemans Rd and 334 metres to Limestone Rd.

Nepean Land.
The rate collector took the easy way out by writing only "853 acres Nepean".

It is stated in LIME LAND LEISURE that the first land that James Little Brown improved was south of Rye Township between Dundas St and Weeroona Rd. Whether this included suburban lots 10,11 and 12 of the township (roughly 200 acres) which became the Ryelands Estate (McDonald's former golf course) is unclear, but a map in the book seems to indicate that it adjoined the cemetery. South of the Golf Pde corner were crown allotments 4, 20 and 21 of the parish of Nepean, a total of 374 acres,212 acres of which became Dod Jennings' Kariah in 1914. (See below for clarification.)

This SEEMS tobe blatantly incorrect, as does the claim that it was James Little Brown doing all the reclamation. There is only one mention of James Brown in the rates and that was in 1919, a decade after the reclamation commenced! John L.Brown was written as the ratepayer to be assessed on crown allotments 1, 2, 3 and buildings section 5 (under the heading of RYE, FOLIO 95, ASSESSMENT NUMBER 1882.) John is crossed out and James written above it. (I assumed that James was either the father or son of John Little Brown. If John was a rate collector's error, it is hard to imagine it being repeated for ten years. It was! See below.)

To confirm the claim that Brown arrived and bought land in 1909, I checked the 1909-10 assessments and found the Wannaeue details as in 1910 but also details of the land in the parish of Nepean; there were no entries for 1908-9. The Nepean details were:
24, granted to J.Purves, 99 acres, Melway 251 E1, fronting Dundas St, adjoining The Dunes.
17, 18, James Purves, 282 acres, Melway 168 B-D11,fronting Browns Rd, adjoining Ocean Reserve.
25, J.Purves, 82 acres, Melway 251E1, fronting Dundas St.
26, J.Purves, 111 acres, Melway 251 F2, fronting Dundas St.
32, John Cain, 176 acres(actually about 27 acres), Melway 167 F5, Miller, Topaz and Bath Sts to Harleian St.(See correction below.)
10, 11, Owen Cain, 103 acres (actually 177 acres), Melway 167, J-K 3-4, south to Fern St playground.

Section 5 of Rye Township is that area bounded by Collingwood St, Napier St, Ballabil St (and the south boundary of Kanasta Caravan Park) and Dundas St. James Brown was occupying the whole of section 5's 13 acres in 1919, after his name had replaced John's, and it may well have been the first area restored by James Little Brown but every other piece of land was supposedly turned into beautiful pasture by John Little Brown. Danny Jennings thinks that the Brown homestead on section 5, which is still standing, is 1 May Ave.

I have followed the progress of John Little Brown in 1909, 1914, 1917 and 1919 as he transformed rabbit and ti tree wastelands into this beautiful pasture. By 1914, he only had 202 of the 853 acres on which he had been assessed in the parish of Nepean, part of Owen Cain's Tyrone. He still had it in 1917 but not in 1919.By 1914, he had added land, south of Limestone Rd in the parish of Fingal. This land consisted of crown allotments:
5B, granted to E.Ford, 63 acres, Melway 252 H-J4, bounded by Limestone and Sandy Rds; a maze ing!
8B, granted to J.L.Brown on 1-12-1916, Melway 252 G7, fronting Maxwells Rd from No.131 to about a third of the way between No.180 and No.239. The Fingal land was retained in 1917 but sold by 1919.

By 1916, 28 AB and 29 Wannaeue were occupied by James and John Orr of "Kia Ora", Broadmeadows (Melway 5 H4.) By 1919 the 323 acres were occupied by Tommy Loft who had land at Greenvale, moving shortly afterwards to "Dalkeith" at Tullamarine (Melway 15 G-H 1-2.) Tommy started the Tullamarine Progress Association and was the Methodist Sunday School Superintendent for umpteen years; the late Ray Cairns remembered Tommy fondly.

JUSTICES OF THE PEACE MELBOURNE , Monday. The following were appointed justices of the peace at the meeting of the State Executive Council today: J. L. Brown of Rye, T. Falls, Caulfield. Central Bailiwick; II. S. &�~btnoo etc.(P.4, The Ballarat Courier, 10-10-1916.)

SWAN HILL HOSPITAL MONTHLY MEETING. The monthly meeting of the committee of management of the Swan Hill District Hospital was held on Friday night. Present-Messrs. Chas. t M'Donald (in the chair), ,W? Moore, J.. a Wright, T. M. Ghisholm, P.-Real and F.' arris. Correspondence. From J. L. Brown, Rye, in relation to septic tanks, and stating that tanks at certain hotels and other places at Sorrento were given satisfaction. -Mr. Brown to be thanked for the information supplied. (P.2,Swan Hill Guardian and Lake Boga Advocate, 16-8-1915.)
This seems to indicate that Brown had retained links with the Mallee town. I'm sure the journalist was responsible for the use of given instead of giving.

FLINDERS AND KANGERONG SHIRE. Mr Brown, Rye, applying for wire netting.-To be attended to.(P.4, Mornington Standard, 11-3-1911.)

Railways Standing Committee at Flinders. The members of the above committee-Messrs Cameron (chair man), Hicks, Melville, Billson, Ward and Hutchinson-visited Flinders on the sth inst, to take evidence on the question of railway extension on the Peninsula. Though the notice was short the residents submitted a splendid exhibition of all varieties. The fodder, root crops, and vegetables were remarkable ; and if anything, superior to those forward at any local show. The general and comprehensive exhibits of Messrs Barger and Buchanan were conclusive proof of the suitability of the district for a wide variety of products of the highest quality. Messrs Higgins, Kennedy and Davies submitted fine samples, and Mr D. Cairns showed one stool of wheat showing 64 stalks. Mr Brown's mellilotis grown on the hitherto useless sand drives at Rye was much admired.
(P.3, Mornington Standard, 15-2-1915.)

I rang Linda Berndt to check on the ancestry of Cr Graeme Jennings and as an afterthought, asked if she knew anything about John/James Little Brown. She did!
James Brown's father was James L.Brown (c. 1821-Nov.1895)and his mother was Jane (nee McGuffie, c.1825-March 1911.) James was their first child, born in 1866 at Glenlyon, but was virtually an only child because Robert (c.1868-5-9-1869) died in infancy. The Rye pioneer's parents and brother were buried at Glenlyon.

In 1903,James was enrolled as a voter at both Bunyip South and Swan Hill; Jane Brown, possibly his mother, also being enrolled at Swan Hill. In 1909 he was described as a grazier and enrolled at Bunyip South and Bendigo, his address at the latter being Bayne St, as it was for Jane Brown.

James Little Brown married Margaret Annie Short in 1911. She was the sister of Rye identity, Tommy Short, who used to drive all the Rye youngsters to dances at Boneo etc. See pioneers' recollections in RYE PRIMARY SCHOOL 1667. This year also saw the death of James' mother, Jane. His wife's name was recorded as Anne Margaret or Annie Margaret on electoral rolls in 1911 (Rye), 1919 (Rye), 1924 ("Inverleigh", Thomas St, Dandenong),
1931, 1936, 1937 (5 Trentham St, Sandringham, 1936, 1937, and 1942 (88 Bay Rd, Sandringham.) In 1954, James was still living at 88 Bay Rd but Margaret's name was not on the electoral roll.

Thank you Linda!

Further rate research revealed the following.
J.L.Brown must have told the rate collector in 1911 that his name was actually JAMES because John was crossed out and James written very faintly above it (Assessment No.823.) Too faintly it seems because when he was preparing the next assessment, he must have missed the alteration and perpetuated the "John" myth. It seems that James was sick of this nonsense by 1919 when John was again crossed out and replaced with James. You'd think the rate collector would know the councillors' names, wouldn't you?

The 1911-12 rates also demonstrated the new occupants of the many properties that Jim Brown had remediated. My notemaking is unclear about William Dawson but he seemed to have had part of 35 Wannaeue. George Ball had 245 acres(33a,b and 35 Wannaeue), and 176 acres(32 Wannaeue-see below.) Jim Woonton had 164 acres (29), 102 acres (28A), and 95 acres (26A), all in Wannaeue. In 1912-13, George Ball had 245 acres, Andrew Leonard Ball* 214 acres, and Andrew, George and Hector Ball 261 acres.

Crown allotment 32 Wannaeue was not mentioned previously because the rate collector called it 32 Nepean in 1909 (assessment number 714.) This land consisted of 176 acres as the rate collector stated; he just had the parish wrong!Granted to J.A.Jenner in 1877, it fronts the east side of Springs Lane and the north side of Limestone Rd, its northern boundary adjoining The Cups Vineyard and Winery and its east boundary indicated by the west end of Kingston Heath. (Melway 252 B 1-3.)

When James Little Brown first arrived in Rye, he stayed with Robert Rowley for a while. The connection between the Doigs and Rowleys took place in the Mallee, and also the Shaws and Rowleys but I had assumed that was post world war 1. James obviously knew Robert before he arrived. It is possible that the family of J.L.Brown had previously lived on the Peninsula. James was obviously as keen to hear Robert Rowley's stories as Robert was to tell them. Thank you to Steve Johnson for another gem.

9th September 1924
Sir,-In the interesting article, "The Gippsland Mystery," on Saturday, by Ernest McCaughan, it is stated that a party of five whites and ten blacks were sent out under the leaderhip of De Villiers, an ex police officer who kept the extraordinary named No Good Damper Inn. Apropos of this, a story was related to me by the late Robert Rowley, then of Rye (a very old colonist who had known Buckley, the wild white man). The story, which may be of interest, is that about the year 1840 lime was being burnt about Sorrento and Rye. A layer of sheoak logs was laid on the ground, then a layer of limestone. Another layer of logs, then again stone, and so on, until there was a considerable stack. Fire was next applied. By this rough and ready, though wasteful, system, lime used in the building of early Melbourne was then burned. The lime was then "slacked", afterwards sieved through a fine sieve, and forwarded to Melbourne by ketch. One of these old windjammers had the misfortune to go aground near the site of Frankston. The lime was taken off undamaged, stacked, and care- fully covered a little way from the shore. A number of blacks were in the vicinity.

They had had some little experience of the white fellow's flour. When they found the lime, sieved and done up in small bags under a tarpaulin, they were sure they had got the genuine article in plenty. So they mustered in force, took away all they possibly could, and, fearing pursuit, did not stop running till they put about 12 miles between them and the stack of lime. The blacks then mixed their flour with water upon their 'possum rugs and put the dough in the ashes to bake, the result being spoiled rugs and bad damper. In the words of Mr. Rowley, "they called that place Dandenong," which means "no good damper.
-Yours, &c., J. L. BROWN, Sandringham, Sept. 8.


My Keilor Historical Society journal is fairly lengthy so I had no idea where to look for my mention of the Clippertons when Patricia's private message arrived. My mind immediately went to a title document regarding a subdivision lot on Main's Estate that I did not transposed onto my Melway. It just didn't make sense.Main's Estate (Section 12 Doutta Galla) was bounded by Hoffmans Rd, Buckley St, Rachelle St and the line of Farrell St (Melway 15 K11.) The east-west dimensions of this particular lot went too far east, probably 100 links too far so that the government road, Hoffmans Rd, was included in the block.) What was the point of transposing such nonsense? If I had known Eddie Deutcher at the time I was practically living in the titles office,the point would have been perfectly obvious!
The titles clerk's error had created a need for the Hoffmans Road Dogleg!

Let's look at Patricia's information first.

Subject: Keilor Historical Society
To: itellya
From: NorrissP
Date: 2014-01-17 04:39:44
I lived opposite Mr Clipperton Car Wrecking Yard. Happy days opposite Anne, Peter, Russell and Freddie CLIPPERTON. I remember Claudia BAILEY from the neighbourhood in Market Street. She became an Air Hostess with TAA. My father was an airlines pilot; he died in a plane crash in 1961. A few years later I moved with my mother to Perth, Western Australia. My best friends at school were Frances DIAMOND and Rosemary SMITH. Thanks, Patricia.

I'm sure Patricia would love to hear from any of her old schoolmates. Private message her through Family Tree Circles.

I thought I'd write a journal detailing a bit of history about those who lived near Hoffmans Rd. Rosehill Rd was named after Dugald McPhail's farm, Rosehill, which was between Buckley St and Rosehill Rd. The other major farm on Main's Estate was James Wilson's farm, later occupied by James Anderson, which is discussed in my journal 1888 GEOGRAPHY WITH THE MELBOURNE HUNT. The following comes from my EARLY LANDOWNERS:PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA (a copy of which was given to Bob Chalmers of the Essendon Historical Society.)It does not include most of the pioneers on Main's Estate but this information will be supplied if requested.

HOFFMANS RD 1923-1969. Eddie Deutchers memories. The Fullarton Connection.
It is of interest that in 1923 Hoffmans Rd only went south to the northern end of Moushall Ave, which was originally called Hoffmans Rd until 9-11-1960 (Land Plan 10004). Keilor Council had first made moves to have Hoffmans Rd constructed in 1945 but it was not until November 1969 that the road was made. Essendon and Keilor had agreed in 1957 to construct the road forthwith but it was 10 years before work started. The hold up was a dispute about the proposed width, the two councils preferences differing by two feet. No doubt the Fullarton connection had something to do with the eventual resolution. John Andrew Peter Fullarton was an Essendon councillor from about 1958 for 13 years (followed by his wife, Dorothy, Essendons first female councillor, until 1986.) Their son Graeme was Mayor of Keilor in 1969-70. (DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND R. GIBB, PAGE F.96-7.)
The land plan also shows that Garnet St was called Grieve St until 8-6-1962.
It seems that the 1923 subdivision of Springbank fizzled, probably because the tramway extension to Hoffmans Rd did not eventuate. (The Tramway Extension Estate with frontages to Hoffmans Rd and other, but defunct, streets, was advertised for sale on 12-4-1919 according to Bob Chalmers Annals of Essendon, but obviously shared the same fate.)
On 25-7-1930, when James Anderson mortgaged his land across Green Gully Rd from Braeside (13K Maribyrnong of 35 acres, from the midline of Buchan and Tarwin Courts to the bridge) he was described as a dairyman, formerly farmer, of Buckley Park. As explained before, the location of Springbank was known as Buckley Park in those days, the modern designation of Niddrie not having spread south from 17B, which Henry Stevenson had so-named after a suburb of his native Edinburgh in about 1870. The double storey brick Springbank mansion must have been decaying as it was demolished in the 1930s. James Anderson may have built a new farmhouse before moving to Braeside. Eddie Deutcher said that when he arrived, the farmhouse was a pink weatherboard occupied by Merle someone and then Mr Shell from 1954 or 1955.

Ralph Dixon has been mentioned earlier. It is unclear which side of Hoffmans Rd he built on C.1923 but Eddie Deutcher recalls that he was later living opposite Mary St (present No. 49). The Broadmeadows Observer Souvenir edition of 1961 (Proclamation of the City of Keilor) states wrongly that Eddie Deutcher was the first resident on the Keilor side of Hoffmans Rd; Ralph beat him by quite a few years.
A Mr Spencer subdivided his land into four blocks of 44 ½ x 138 feet (their depth later reduced to 130 feet when Hoffmans Rd was made.) Spencer, of Price St, died in 1980 and his widow later lived next door to Eddie Deutcher. The only other resident of Hoffmans Rd when Eddie moved in was Harry George at the corner of Mary St. Eddie says that the development of Hoffmans Rd mainly took place between 1951-2 and 1965. In 1949, Eddie bought his block (No. 63) for L135. The other blocks sold for L500 (C.1953), L750 (1956) and $15 000 (about 1969). Eddie moved onto his block from St Kilda in 1951 but had to live in a caravan for 2 ½ years because of the post-war shortage of building materials.
Council- owned land in George St was an unofficial dumping ground and a haunt of youngsters who gathered there to smoke. The tip was the source of several fires that threatened the widely scattered houses.
There used to be a training track for trotters near Garnet St.
The Clippertons were another early family in the area. Russell Clipperton was a foundation pupil at the Doutta Galla Primary School. Part of what we now call Hoffmans Rd was occupied by Fred Clippertons car wrecking yard and people travelling south had to take the Hoffmans Rd Dogleg which is now called Moushall Ave.
The first shop in Hoffmans Rd was Fred Cooks general store on the Teague St corner, later Joe Wileys and a self serve bottle shop. Probably next was the green grocery started, and still operated many decades later, by Tony Sicerliano. Ray Orchards model aeroplane shop and Miss Gartlands pharmacy were features of the shopping centre for many years.
Power and water came to Eddie and his neighbours in 1953 and sewerage in 1965.
In 1954, Eddie became a Keilor councillor and judging by his grasp and recall of details as shown above, he would have been a good one.
More of Eddies memories are on Pages D. 95-8 of my Dictionary history of Tullamarine and Miles Around.

Section 13. (HOFFMANS Rd to LINCOLN RD.)
This was between Buckley St. and Mt. Alexander Rd., which Keilor Rd. was called until at least 1900.
The western half, consisting of lots A and B, between Hoffmans Rd. and the walking track near Hedderwick St., was granted to William Hoffman, one of the handful of Germans in the north west. He called his house Butzbach but the farm appears to have been known later as Buckley Park. (The renaming may have occurred near the time of W.W.1, when anti- German feeling led to moves to change the names of Coburg and Essendon, the latter thought by some to have originated from Essen, and many residents such as Groenberger of the Junction Hotel at Tullamarine changed their surnames.)
Later owners were Messrs E.A. and William Croft. In 1914, William Croft was the only resident west of Nimmo St; the house was apparently near Croft St. and between Buckley and Temple (Spencer) Sts. This accounts for the kink in Price St.
A map at the Merrifield Library shows that when the estate was subdivided, land containing the Butzbach residence of Croft Esquire was at the south west Temple (Spencer) St/ Nimmo St corner with Price St (down to the bend) as the western boundary. Part of this block of 4 ½ acres was sold as eight allotments fronting Price and Market Sts on 23-10-1924. The old homestead must have been demolished in the early 1950s to make way for Croft St, as this street was first mentioned in 1953. Mr Spencer, mentioned in Eddie Deutchers memories under section 12, may have been living in the old homestead.
Just as Peter McCracken was one of the first lessees on Stewarton (Gladstone Park), his brother Alexander Earle McCracken was possibly the first to rent Butzbach. He had erected a four stall stable and a barn on it within 10 months of the grant being issued to Hoffman, and in March 1851 was apparently building a house. A.E.McCracken grew wheat on Butzbach and the farm prospered but due to the ill health of his wife, Jane, this branch of the family returned home in 1857, probably to Ardwell Farm on the Ardmillan Estate in Ayrshire. In a letter written on 14-4-1858, Robert McCracken informed Alexander Earle that Butzbach had been taken up by the McAuleys (McCrackens spelling.). (I wonder if McAuley had been a neighbour of Peter McCracken at Kensington 1855-7 and was the origin of the name of Macaulay Rd. More likely the McCrackens knew them from their early days on the Merri Creek.)
One of the early occupiers of subdivision lots on Buckley Park was Ralph Dixon, who settled in the Gilbertson St area in 1912 before moving to Hoffmans Rd in 1923. Some things he recalled were:
*the two rows of pine trees, through which the drive ran to the Hoffman / Croft house from Buckley St,
*the Woods familys dairy farm in Sapphire St (see section 12 Rosehill Estate in 1900),
*old Mrs Sinclairs goats near Ogilvie St,
* and James Andersons dairy farm with its homestead on the (1961) service station site. (This was across Hoffmans Rd on the south corner of Teague St.)


These two men have been mentioned before in my journals but I wish to pay tribute to their dedication to our history and willingness to take on huge projects. John accomplished the huge task of scanning and digitising the 2500 handwritten pages of "Dictionary History of Tullamarine and Miles Around" and Neil wrote the 600+ page "The David Mansfield Story", while at the same time working together to improve the records for Bulla Cemetery. As I found myself when transcribing some grave inscriptions there, their job would have been difficult, as it would be at many cemeteries, because of the senseless vandalism that had taken place. Our little triangle is still in place with John recently sending DHOTAMA to Neil. Rosebud must be a little harder for Australia Post to find but I am expecting my copy today.

Neil has recently finished detailed records for the Briagalon and Bulla Cemeteries.See details below.

Thanks for the correction - I've just made the alterations. This is one good thing about making this public - I have other people helping me to find the mistakes. My mind goes blank after a while and I can't see errors whilst looking straight at them.

Bulla cemetery is now on-line - see it at:


Milleara Rd was still called North Pole Road until the 1940's. This name came about because of the West Melbourne Swamp. Eventually a road, called Swamp Road in directories, passed through this area; it was renamed Dynon Rd. In the squatting era, travellers from Melbourne wishing to cross the Saltwater River used to head up Flemington Hill and, continuing to the future site of Pitches' hotel and St John's church,turn left into Braybrook Road (Buckley St.) This led to Solomons Ford (at the western end of Canning St- WRONG-SEE COMMENT 1.)and having crossed there, they could head toward Geelong (as George Russell of Golf Hill would) or west (as John Aitken of Mt Aitken would.) Solomons ford was so-named because the Solomons held land on both sides of the river.John Aitken was the grantee of Section 8, Doutta Galla (where the river makes its closest approach to Buckley St), and probably used it as a holding paddock where sheep being driven to market in Melbourne could regain condition.
As this was a busy route, the Braybrook Township was declared in 1850. As with most townships, it straddled the stream, being located in the parishes of Doutta Galla and Cut Cut Paw. Due to Raleigh's Punt (1850), Lynch's Punts and Brees' bridge at Keilor(1854), traffic on this route fell dramatically and North Braybrook Township was occupied by small farmers, such as Clancy, who were being bullied by Thomas Derham of the Braybrook (Tottenham)Hotel in 1869.
A directory covering the Cut Cut Paw area, perhaps Braybrook Junction (Sunshine)mentioned a road called Pole Rd; this was probably Duke St. This leads me to believe there were poles on the north and south sides of Solomons ford to indicate its location.

Buckley St. west of the railway line used to be called Braybrook Rd. until 1878. This was because early travellers to Geelong had to bypass the West Melbourne swamp and would go along Buckley St. and once over Spring Gully take a beeline to the west end of Canning St. where Solomons Ford was located. John Aitken would have been one of the first to use this route regularly; once across, he followed the Kororoit Creek to Mt. Aitken. When township reserves were being declared, the rudimentary Keilor bridge, the next common crossing, was being washed away just about every time it rained and Raleigh hadnt started his punt so the ford seemed a pretty good place for a township.
A map of the township found on P.32 of SOLOMONS FORD by V.J.Jones shows the township in 1869. The part south of the river was bounded by Duke St., Ballarat Rd., and Ashley St. The junction of Alexander and Glenside Sts. was the townships north eastern corner.
Some have claimed that the later ford at the end of North Rd was the Solomons Ford about which George Russell wrote in reference to his original 1836 route to his Golf Hill reached via Geelong. It is funny that no mention was made of other nearby fords in 1879. Portion of Michael Clancys evidence at the enquiry into closed roads follows and Clancys grants are outlined on the Township map. I believe Valentine Jones version of where Solomons Ford was located!
Clancy and Munro, his neighbour in the township, were prevented from watering their cattle at the river by Derham, who also tore down 28 chains of Clancys 30 chain rock wall and threw the stones into his victims crops. Derham had Clancys lease of the river reserve cancelled. Harry Peck says that Derham, of fair complexion, as husky as a lumberjack, kept the pub at Braybrook and hunted others off hundreds of acres of land where he grazed about 200 horses for the Indian horse trade. Thomas B. Derham lived in Trinifour sometime after 1886 between the occupancies of W.G.Tulloch and E. Henderson.
(*M.Fitzgerald had 353 acres, between Balfour Ave. and Somers St., Sunshine,
south of McIntyres Riversdale.)
In 1900, Daniel Munro had 21 acres, Thomas Derham (Jnr.) 44 acres, A. Pridham 89 acres and Walter Marshall possibly 50 acres. Harry Newman of Maidstone had 10 acres while James Holbery, James Moore and the Melbourne Orphan Asylum of Brighton had parcels of less than 3 acres each. By 1906 about 30 acres of the township had become part of McKennas closer settlement farm.
18 D. NORTH POLE FARM. South of Keilor Rd., lot D was bounded by Webber Pde., roughly Woorigoleen Dr. and North Pole (Milleara) Road. Consisting of 180 ¾ acres, it was granted to Joseph Hall. It was sold to John Corcoran in 1864. Lot D was called North Pole Farm; it is unknown whether the road or the farm had the name first. Peter Somerville believes that North Pole Road got its name because of the icy winds that blew up it but my memory tells me that there was a Pole Road in the Footscray directory.
If this is correct, there may have been a pole in the 1840s to indicate the location of Solomons Ford (west of Canning St Avondale Heights), with the approach from Geelong called Pole Rd and that from Mt Macedon (Keilor) Rd called North Pole Rd.
Keilors 1868 rates show that John Corcoran had 183 acres. The extra 2 acres resulted from a mistake perpetuated since at least 1859, when 18D and the North Pole Inn was advertised for sale. It was probably Corcoran who renamed Spring Vale as North Pole Farm.
On 6-6-1850, Joseph Hall sold 18 D to James Laverty for the remarkably low price of L198/16/6 (M 845). About four years later Springfield, only 5/6 the size of 18D, sold for 7000 pounds (15 593). Why?
The gold rush had started. Also Brees Bridge, built in 1854, made the Keilor route more popular than the Bulla one for diggers bound for Mt Macedon, and attracted those headed to Ballarat who would previously have used Raleighs Punt (Maribyrnong). The bridge allowed Cobb and J.M.Pecks newly established coachline a secure crossing and farms along this road had a ready market for their hay and other produce. For example, David Milburn, Victorias first irrigator of Grange Farm west of the river, was called Basket Davie by the diggers.
Hall was not to know what the future would hold and he probably needed cash after buying Purnells grant (22B) at Tullamarine for 200 pounds on 5-3-1849 (6 112). With the addition of 22D, granted on 17-7-1866, this became South Wait.
Laverty mortgaged 18D to Hall (M 846 and M847) and on 9-8-1852, 18D as well as lot 6 of section 12 were reconveyed from Hall to Laverty for L152 plus L50 (Q 632).
Two interesting features of this memorial are that the creek was called Steels Ponds and that the measurements were given in chains, poles and links. I would assume, because a chain equals 100 links and a pole was greater than 13 links, that a pole was equivalent to 20 or 25 links.
Laverty must have been struggling because he mortgaged 18D several times:
to Charles Payne for 400 pounds on 21-3-1853 (V 779),
to John Catto for 1000 pounds on 1-2-1855 (23 110),
and to Robert Stirling Anderson, with Tourrourrong section 19, for 240 pounds on 13-6-1858.
The first and second series indexes for James Laverty record no sale of 18D, so it looked as if we would have to accept Angela Evans claim that John Corcoran bought North Pole Farm in 1864*. Keilors ratebook of 1868 shows that John Corcoran owned 183 acres, (an error probably started by the rate collector in transcribing 180.3.0).
However the Laverty memorials revealed some interesting information, compensating for my inability to find his sale of 18D.
Firstly, he was associated with Messrs Phelan and Connor, explaining why he bought a property only ½ mile west of Spring Park. Secondly, he owned lots 5, 6, 22 and ½ acre of lot 21 of John Pinney Bears subdivision of allotment 7 of section 5 Doutta Galla. Lots 5 and 6 were between Mt Alexander Rd and the n/w third of the parallel section of the un-named but 40 ft wide Hinkins St, and contained the Harvest Home Hotel. Moonee Ponds obviously wasnt yet used as a locality name as the land was described as a parcel of McKays (McNaes) farm near Flemington. Laverty leased the hotel and other land to Charles Notley, on 29-12-1856, at 200 pounds p.a. (48 880).
Laverty mortgaged lot 6 in section 12 to A.F.Dougall for 600 pounds on 28-10-1858 (66 404). As this mortgage did not include 18D, I suspected that R.S.Anderson might have gained possession of it; investigation proved otherwise but did help me discover that George Kirk purchased land where the Dundas family had their Dynon Rd factories.

*While attempting to trace ownership of Alex Blairs purchase in section 12, I discovered that John Corcoran bought 18D of 180 ¾ acres from John Catto for 715 pounds on 6-12-1864 (170 752).
On 2-11-1870, aged about 50, John agreed to sell the land to his sons Andrew, Dennis and John Jun. and the conveyance was finalised on 21-2-1872. John must have been ill as he died soon after, on 28-5-1878. (Keilor Pioneers etc. A.Evans.)
By 1888, John Pinney Bear, who had owned 18C since 1852, contracted to sell that block and 18D to speculator, G.W.Taylor, for 34 350 pounds (347 14). Michael Fox probably bought 18C and 18 D soon after the depression started in 1892 and ruined G.W.Taylors hopes of quick profit. Michael lived in his house on the corner of North Pole Rd and Keilor Rd until his death on 4-9-1918. The family retained ownership and Michaels son ,John, sold land (to T.M.Bourke?) for a railway station in 1928 according to Ray Taylor, a resident of Keilor Park from 1955. Ray also said that John Fox sold land to Ansair. It went south to Clarks Rd and east to Steeles Creek.

The arguments for this inns location being on the west corner of Keilor and Milleara Rds are presented under the heading of Hotels and Early Names before section 17.(SEE END OF JOURNAL.) The electoral roll shows that Edward Fegan was leasing the inn in 1856. In the same roll, James Laverty, of Keilor Rd, was said to have owned a hotel called the Harvest Home Hotel, supposedly in Keilor Road. This could have been Lavertys earlier name for the North Pole, but it was more likely the hotel of that name, near the south corner of Dean St, Moonee Ponds, which Laverty leased to Notley at the end of 1856. It could not have been the one on the A.J.Davis Reserve site*, which a memorial of 1854 called the Springfield Hotel. Laverty had probably been leasing 18D from Joseph Hall by 1849, when Wilsons directory gave his address as Springs, Keilor Rd. (Springs and then Springfield in 1856 were names used to describe the area near Steeles chain of ponds.) Laverty bought the allotment in 1850 and probably built the hotel.
(* Mentioned by W.ODonnell to Garnet Price in about 1950.)

On 22-6-1859 the Argus carried this advertisement:
THIS DAY. FOR ABSOLUTE SALE. THE NORTH POLE PUBLICHOUSE, PRODUCING 150 POUNDS PER ANNUM, WITH THE NOBLE ESTATE OF SPRING VALE ALONG WITH IT. KEILOR-ROAD. It is situate at the corner of the Keilor and Essendon roads having about 3 000 feet frontage to the former and about the same to the latter, more or lesscomprising 183 acres in two separate paddocksNearest neighbours- P.Phelan, Esq., M.L.A.; W.Hoffman Esq. and other gentlemen.

North Pole Rd was obviously referred to as the Essendon road by some in 1859.
Phelans Spring Park was ½ mile east on the north side of Keilor Rd. and Hoffmans Butzbach was on the east side of Hoffmans Rd.
The trade of the North Pole Inn was obviously affected by the opening of the Mt.Alexander Railway just prior to 1860. John Laverty and Robert Linay took it over in June 1860 but by 4-3-1863 Laverty was charged with abandoning it. It closed two weeks later but was re-opened on 3-2-1864 by George and Elizabeth Arbuthnot.
KEILOR RD. (Sections 17, 18, 19.)
There were four hotels between the eastern end of Keilor Rd and the Maribyrnong River. The first, geographically, was the Lincolnshire Arms built by Tulip Wright (a native of Lincolnshire) in 1852, at what the diggers called Bendigo Corner. Fifty years later, the intersection was commonly called Essendon Crossroads, as one could travel in five directions from this point. Carnarvon Rd was originally known as Mawbeys Rd and then Lincoln Rd or Street. Keilor Rd was still being called Mt Alexander Rd in Keilors rate book of 1900-1.

The next hotel was hard to determine. Was it the North Pole Inn or the Springfield Inn? The latter was almost certainly the one next to the blacksmiths shop on the site of the A.J.Davis Reserve.
I originally thought that the North Pole Inn was on the corner of Hoffmans Rd because of the attached farm being described as 183 acres and the neighbours (Phelan, Hoffman) mentioned in an advertisement of 1859. It was described as being at the corner of the Essendon Rd and I took this to be Hoffmans Rd. Hoffmans farm was immediately east and Phelans only 800 metres west. But two things worried me. Firstly, the frontage to both the Keilor and Essendon Rds was stated to be about 3000 feet while 17D has an eastern boundary of only about 700 feet. Secondly, why would North Pole Farm (18D) be 1½ miles west?

Measuring the appropriate boundaries of 18 D, I found that they were 2640 feet each, close enough to the stated frontages. Then I recalled that John Corcorans farm had been wrongly described as 183 acres (instead of 180 acres 3 roods) in the 1868 ratebook.
Apart from the name, acreage and frontage was there any other connection between the inn and farm? Yes. James Laverty bought 18D from the grantee in 1850, and when he failed to sell the inn and noble (but heavily mortgaged) estate of Spring Vale in 1859, John Laverty and Robert Linay took over the hotel in 1860. John was charged with abandoning the hotel on 4-3-1863. James Laverty had mortgaged the farm (and lot D of section 12) several times and about this time John Catto gained ownership. He sold it to Corcoran on 6-12-1864.
Although title memorials concerning 18D made no mention of the inn, the above pieces of evidence, and the one following, make it almost certain that the North Pole Inn was at the western corner of Keilor and Milleara Rds.

The Essendon road of 1859 was officially known as North Pole Rd until about 1947 when its present name of Milleara Rd came into use. It is unclear whether the road gave its name to the hotel or the reverse. It is likely that the Corcorans renamed Spring Vale after the road or the hotel.---William Cherry, best remembered by the lake at Altona, probably used North Pole Rd to travel to his grants near Bertrams Ford at the Arundel bridge site.

The second hotel was therefore the Springfield and the third was the North Pole. The fourth was Henry Eldridges Sir John Franklin Inn at the eastern corner of Keilor Rd and Collinson St. Keilor Village also boasted several hotels, which are described in fair detail in Keilor Pioneers: Dead Men do tell Tales.

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NOSELESS BRYAN RINGROSE, AUSTRALIA, who "emigrated from Newark, Nottinghamshire, probably around 1853".


A couple of years ago Margaret Roberts, your research officer, replied to my email about Bryan Ringrose. His obituary was found by my family tree circles mate, janilye, who said that it proved that Bryan Ringrose of Smythesdale and Bryan Ringrose of Red Hill, near Dromana, were not one and the same.

However the 1865 reference to Mrs Ringrose of Red Hill, which initially seemed to disprove the connection, and rate records which correlate nicely with the time of Bryan's arrival in N.S.W., are discussed under the obituary, which shows the Ballarat/Wicania connection. Janilye has since added further detail.
Regards, XXX XXXX, Rosebud.

Death of Mr. Bryan Ringrose
Another old colonist in the person of
Mr. Bryan Ringrose passed away at
the Tibo0burra Hospital at 9 a.m on the
30th. inst. aged 7? years. Mr. Ringrose
arrived in Victoria in the stirring times
of the early 50's and was identified with
the mining interest at Ballarat, but sub-
sequently came to the western part of
this state and has resided in the Wilcan
nia and Milparinka districts for the last
25 years. Mr. Ringrose was a Justice of
the Peace and took a keen interest in
all that concerned the welfare of his
adopted country. In Politics he was
liberal to the point of prudence, but an
uncompromising opponent of class legis-
lation and the socialist spirit that per
vades the political atmosphere of the
day, but neverless his sympathies
were strongly in favor of [?ac?]ting the
condition of the toiler. He was a man of
sound judgement, of [??] demeanour,
courageous, of social habits, a staunch
friend and typical of the middle class
Englishman to which he belonged. So
far as is known, Mr. Ringrose was never married. (P.2, Western Grazier, 30-12-1903.)

by itellya on 2015-01-24 21:41:30

This comment was prompted by a search of my Red Hill dictionary history to see if there was a DITTERICH entry. There wasn't and there wasn't anything about the family under SHAND. Then I spotted the RINGROSE entry and thought I should explain why I called Bryan "noseless".

The Kangerong parish map can be accessed online by googling KANGERONG, COUNTY OF BOURKE. Crown allotment 18B, consisting of 59 acres 3 roods 15 acres, was granted to B.Ringrose but the date of issue is not given on the map. The block was south of Four Winds(18A,granted to Henry Dunn, at the corner of White Hill and McIlroys Rds) of almost the same size and to the east a much later grant (possibly closer or soldier settlement)of 22 acres obtained by S.P.Calder, who was possibly the architect who designed the 1928 Shire hall in Dromana and son of the first C.R.B. Chairman, William Calder, who was President of the Red Hill Show committee until his death; a show report stated that William's "Four Winds" could be seen from the showgrounds.

Crown allotment 18B had a 2243 link (451.219824 metre) frontage to the east side of the road from Moat's corner between a point opposite the Tumbywood Rd corner and 1879 links (377.994672 metres)south of McIlroys Rd and a point opposite the present Sheehans Rd corner. My practically illegible paper map shows that about half of the property later became two adjoining closer or soldier settlement blocks, one fronting White Hill Rd and neither adjoining Four Winds.

(Reference to Sam Loxton deleted.)
RINGROSE 1865. The illegible writing in the 1865 assessments led to me transcribing this name as Ringrove. The pioneer had 60 acres. The name of Mrs Ringrose appeared in George McLear's account book in 1865.

The Ringrose family evidently settled on its 60 acre grant (whose location is described in the entry for Arthur E.HILL)in 1865 but the rate collector didn't know much about them and failed to provide an initial for the surname which I guessed was Ringrove. The assessment of 1868 records the occupant of the 60 acres (i.e. 18B Kangerong) as Brian Ringrose.

It seems that this pioneer had been much concerned in public affairs at Smythesdale before coming to Red Hill, that is if his given name was Briant! After finding that Mr Ringrose was forever moving and seconding this and that according to a Ballarat newspaper, The Star, I came across an article on page 3 of the 23-5-1863 issue, which stated that Mr Briant Ringrose was the manager of the Great Trend Co. An advertisement on page 4 of the 18-2-1862 issue of The Star shows that Bryan Ringrose was the manager of the Reliance Gold Mining Company whose operations were to be at Scarsdale; however, he was later taken to court for not paying calls on his shares. After the accident mentioned below, Ringrose was taken to Scarsdale.

Mr Ringrose had been one of 18 men proposed by a meeting in 1861 for the municipal election of seven members. Smythesdale had much interest in communal activity and an exhibition was planned. In an article about the planning committee, an interesting item found underground by Mr Bryan Ringrose was mentioned. (The Star 19-9-1861.) Mr Ringrose was a member of the local Turf Club (13-9-1862 page 1s),and on the committee of the cricket club (1-11-1860 page 2). He was a manager or shareholder at several gold mining companies such as the Great Trend, the Reliance, the Mount Bute (The Star 3-11-1862 page 4)and, one would think, finally, the Cape Clear, where Bryan found he no longer had a nose for business. (Sorry Bryan, I deserve punishment for that one!)

It would be fortunate if our Red Hill pioneer had spent his previous time at Ballarat rather than in Tasmania (as Trove demonstrates) but not so fortunate if our Briant/Bryan Ringrose had moved to another mining company by November 1863; if so,he no longer had a nose. (The Star 25-11-1863 page 2.) This explosion took place at
Sprindallah where Bryan Ringrose had applied for a mining lease in 1861 but then withdrawn his application (The Star 5-11-1861, page 3.)

It would seem that Bryan Ringrose decided that a quiet farming life was better suited to a man who had been disfigured and moved to Red Hill within a year of his accident. After the article of 25-11-1863, there was no more mention of Bryan Ringrose of Smythesdale!

There is not yet proof that the Smythedale pioneer was also the Red Hill pioneer. I have not even found a Brian/Bryan Ringrose in genealogy websites apart from one in New Zealand. I have asked the historical society which covers Smythesdale if they have any record of Bryan Ringrose being still in that area in 1865. (See end of RINGROSE entry!)

Today, I traced the Ringrose grant year by year and these are my findings.
All entries relate to 60 acres of land in Kangerong.
2-9-1865. 1-9-1866. 1-9-1867. Ringrose (surname only) was assessed on 60 acres, Kangerong, a house being first mentioned in 1867 but probably there all the time.
5-9-1868. The given name, Brian, is recorded for the first time . The house had one room.
4-9-1869. The given name was altered with a stroke (/) to turn i into y. The house is not mentioned.
3-9-1870. There are no assessment numbers but the person to be rated is recorded as Bryan Ringrose.
2-9-1871. No Ass. No. After Bryan Ringrose's name that of William Hillas (sic) is written in inverted commas, probably indicating that William Hillis was leasing the 60 acres. William Hillis was not assessed on any other land (P.S.IN THE PARISH OF KANGERONG.)
7-9-1872. No Ringrose. No assessment numbers. William Hillis was assessed on the 60 acres under H. One would assume that he had bought the land but with these rate collectors it is dangerous to assume anything.
6-9-1873. No Ass.No. Under H, William J.Hillis is crossed out and Francis Hirst is written above it. The owner's name, Ringrose, is not forgotten as it was in 1872.
5-9-1874, 2-10-1875, 15-9-1876. Under H, Francis Hirst was assessed each time with the owner being, respectively: Ringrose, Bryan Ringrose and Blank! Had it been sold this time?
14-9-1877. No listing under H (Hirst) or R (Ringrove). Look at every assessment in Centre Riding for 60 acres Kangerong or Ringrose in "Owner" column. Job Sherwood was leasing the 60 acres from B.Ringrose.
27-7-1878. Job Sherwood still leasing from B.Ringrose. N.A.V. was 14 pounds. (I hadn't checked it previously but I did notice it had been 10 pounds earlier on.)
24-7-1879. Nothing under S. Nothing under R. Look through all centre riding assessments. Under D, Charles Daniel was recorded as leasing from B.Ringrose.
31-7-1880, 30-7-1881. Nothing under D. Check whole of centre riding again for 60 ac K or Ringrose in owner column. The property had been forgotten (see ASSESSMENTS entry) and at the very end it was noted, without an assessment number, that what looked like John Gawin was leasing from B.Ringrose. The 1881 entry was clearly John Galvin and he was a labourer but the owner column was blank. Had Galvin bought 18B Kangerong?
29-7-1882, 21-7-1883.(A.N. 276 and 275/150, in shire, in riding.) Occupant column blank but Bryan Ringrose was listed as the owner in both years. The 83-4 rates were paid by Mr Ellis on 26-5-1884. I think we can assume that Ellis meant Hillis.
19-7-1884. (Nothing near previous assessment numbers.) Check whole riding for 60 acres K or Ringrose in owner column. (A.N. 110.) William Kemp, orchardist, was leasing from B.Ringrose.
20-7-1885. Not one Kangerong property of 60 acres was listed. No Ringrose in owner column. This looks like it!
17-7-1886. I wrote nothing so the result must have been the same as for 1885.
16-7-1887. Between Rudduck (157) and Segrave (158) but with no assessment number or occupier name, Ringrose was listed as the owner. The rates were paid by Hillas (sic.)
Blank July, 1888. A.N.28. Ringrose in owner column.
Blank July, 1889. No 60 acres Kangerong assessed. Had it been absorbed into a large landholding or had the rate collector forgotten the property again? Hardly any entries in the owner column and no sign of Ringrose.
Blank July 1990. No 60 acres Kangerong or Ringrose. A retrospective examination re William Hillis made sense of a baffling entry in 1891. In 1890, William Hillis was assessed on 273 acres in Wannaeue and Kangerong; to the left of this description, in tiny numerals, 60 was written above 213 (A.N. 98.) One would assume that this meant 60 acres in Wannaeue and 213 acres in Kangerong but as I said before, with these rate collectors don't assume anything.
William Hillis was granted 23A Wannaeue on 12-11-1888 and 23B Wannaeue on 10-12-1885. The first consisted of 59 acres 3 roods and 34 perches and is roughly indicated by Melway 171 H, part J-6. The second consisted of 153 acres o roods and 36 perches and is indicated by 171 pt.J, and K, 5-6. With 40 perches making a rood and 4 roods making an acre, the total of these two allotments is 213 acres and 30 perches. Therefore the 60 acre block was in Kangerong. Segrave's 60 acres were in Flinders and the only other 60 acre block, apart from Bryan Ringrose's 18B Kangerong, was Henry Dunn's "Four Winds" but this had become 233 acres years earlier.Therefore the land on which William Hillis was assessed in 1890 should read: 60 acres, 18B Kangerong and 213 acres, 23 AB Wannaeue.

Blank July, 1991. William Hillas (sic) was assessed on 60 acres Wannaeue and Kangerong. Perhaps William had mortgaged his grants or they may have been sequestered so he only had Bryan Ringrose's grant but because the rate collector wasn't sure whether the 60 or the 213 acre land was in Wannaeue, he kept the Wannaeue and Kangerong tag.

Blank July 1992. William Hillis could have had 60 acres Kangerong (preceded by an ink blot that looked a bit like a one or 160 acres.

If our Bryan Ringrose was disfigured and not often seen in public, it seems that William Hillis was one of his few friends. The following is being placed here rather than in the HILLIS entry so that it can be seen in context regarding the information from the rate books.

Bruce Bennett states on page 22 of THE BUTCHER THE BAKER THE:
William Hillas (sic) owned land on the corner of Wilsons and Main Creek Rd (i.e. 23 AB Wannaeue) and 27 acres on the top of White Hill including Watermill Farm. He was named as a butcher in the 1884 rates and appears to have been Red Hill's first butcher.

While reading an extract from Joseph McIlroy's diary on page 19 of Sheila Skidmore's THE RED HILL, where Joseph mentioned staying the night at Mr Hillis's place while bringing a steer back from Frankston on 9-3-1881, I was thinking of the Wannaeue land and presumed that for some reason he had travelled via Eaton's Cutting. Now it is pretty clear that he had travelled up White Hill Rd from Moat's Corner and stopped near the McIlroys Rd corner. William Hillis may have been leasing S.P.Calder's much later grant. He could not have been on Bryan's 18B because John Galvin seems to have been there from July 1880 to July 1882.

I received the following reply from Margaret Roberts, Research Officer of the Woady Yaloak Historical Society. Dear ---, I have searched through all our records and I have reached the same conclusion as you. The Brian Ringrose who was at Red Hill is most probably the same one who was at Smythesdale/Browns/Scarsdale in the early 1860's. Did you notice there was also a Joseph Ringrose here as well? A brother or father maybe as they were involved in many of the same mining ventures.

As you have surmised I have found no records of either of them after the accident. The two doctors who attended the victims, Drs Foster and Saengar were two of the best doctors in the area. Dr Foster was at Piggoreet and would have been the closest doctor to the accident whereas Dr Saengar was at Scarsdale and would have been the next closest. Poor Dr Saengar was murdered in September 1865 by a deranged man in Scarsdale. Please note that Smythesdale has an S in the middle. I noticed that in your article on him in the Red Hill article you omitted it. Good history though, congratulations.

Thanks Margaret for all your trouble. Sorry about the missing S which I have now remedied.
by itellya on 2015-01-24 22:21:57

by itellya on 2012-08-26 10:51:08. page views: 1112, comments: 5

by janilye on 2015-01-28 14:35:20
Bryan Ringrose with the mining interests at Ballarat died at the Tibooburra Hospital in NSW on the 30th. December 1903.
I'm attempting to correct the impossible copy now.
by janilye on 2015-01-28 15:06:03
So no! not your Red Hill Ringrose
Here's your proof
by itellya on 2015-01-28 16:59:55
Fantastic find janilye. I'll have to pass it on to the historical society lady who replied to my email about Bryan. It seems likely that Bryan had moved away by 1885 (see assessments on 18B Kangerong.) This would fit in well with him settling in about 1888. As the farm was obviously unoccupied and the current owner could not be determined, there might have been an assessment under O (for owner) in 1885/6 and 1886/7. This was standard procedure when a farm was unoccupied and the rate collector was unsure of its ownership. The Mrs Ringrose in George McLear's account book of 1865 (P.91 of Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA)could have been Bryan's mother. It stands to reason that Bryan did not marry but my assumption that he would have shunned public appearances was way off the mark,given his continued political activity post 1888.

Given his arrival in his new abode in N.S.W. soon after ownership of 18B Kangerong became unclear and the possibility that Mrs Ringrose of 1865 was Bryan's mother, it cannot be concluded that Bryan Ringrose of the Ballarat area and N.S.W. was not also the Red Hill pioneer. Perhaps Bryan's mother died circa 1884-5 and he, having probably been caring for her for some years,was free to experience adventure again.
by janilye on 2015-01-28 17:02:58
For those researching Bryan RINGROSE Esq., J.P (miner) he emigrated from Newark, Nottinghamshire, probably around 1853 for he did mention in a speech, he had been in Ballarat since 1853. He was on the Bench in Balranald and Broken Hill from abt. 1890.
I believe he had a relationship with Joseph RINGROSE for they both bought shares in the same mines. Joseph, also a miner, lived in Scarsdale, Lal Lal, Elaine and Geelong

STATE RECORDS NSW. Intestate Estate Case Papers
RINGROSE Bryan - 0001
REMARKS Miner Died Tibooburra Hospital Native of England
His Auriferous Leases in Milparinka began 29 June 1896 until 26 August 1899
by janilye on 2015-01-28 17:31:34
I mean't to add that in 1913 Bryan Ringrose Esq., J. P. (miner) appeared in this list in Adelaide.UNCLAIMED MONEY which is how I knew he was from Newark, Nott. and also unsure of his relationship with Joseph if any.
by janilye on 2015-01-28 17:45:35
And in this speech HERE he says he had been a miner since 1853.
I've tagged quite a few years in the life of Bryan in Trove and
I am not able to find any mention of Red Hill in the miner's life

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Notes and index for THE GOLDEN PLAINS TUBBARUBBAREL, Vic., Aust.

This book was written by Mary Karney in partnership with Bruce Bennett who has written several books about early butchers, bakers, shopkeepers etc on the Mornington Peninsula. Mary has written No Rugged Landscape and a transcription of Georgina Oswin's diary, which, with this book, are probably still available for purchase from the Balnarring and Hastings Historical Societies. Mary is the daughter of Olive (nee Oswin) and grand daughter of 1865 pioneer, John Oswin, who married Georgina (Mills.)

Golden Plains has extensive information about Foxey's Hangout, the Tubbarubba diggings and the Downward and Oswin families. John Oswin's "Newstead" is wrongly described as being on crown allotment 35, Balnarring (granted to J.Caldwell); it was actually on crown allotments 55 A and B.

In the book, W.M.Gomm was listed as one of a group opposing alienation of the diggings. He was more likely Wm Gomm, son of Convict Henry Gomm. William was one of the grantees in the Rosebud Fishing Village (where Jetty's Cafe is today) but later moved to Hastings and was followed on that block by his brother Henry. William died at Hastings in 1915, Henry at Cheltenham Benevolent Home soon afterward, and another brother, Thomas, at Dromana in 1896, not long after he had given evidence in a hearing regarding Alfred Downward's disputed election win. They were not related to Henry Gomm of Glenhoya at Somerville. Graham Whitehead has written an excellent piece on the City of Kingston History site about the two Gomm families based on my THE MYSTERIOUS HENRY GOMM.

The sheep stealing described on page 33 did not all happen at Tubbarubba. The Hon. F.S.Grimwade was on Coolart. Alf Head's Fern Valley/Musk Creek straddled Stony Creek Rd. Alexander McLennan was most likely on his grant, c/a 1 and 2 Moorooduc, bounded by Moorooduc, Eramosa, Derril and Bungower Rds. Crooks was on Tuerong Park north of Vineyard Lane. Gibson may have been Walter, on Glenholm west of Collins Rd, Dromana and the survey, or another family near Red Hill (see DICTIONARY HISTORY OF RED HILL), I believe Sweetapple was near Red Hill and that I have mentioned him in a journal because I almost made a corny joke about his name. Griffiths may have been Griffith whose homestead block was lot 9 of Clarke's subdivision of the southern 4280 acres of Jamieson's Special Survey (Melway 160 H 3-4) with its north west corner indicated by (the seemingly, but not, historic) Bluestone Homestead/Cottage or perhaps on Mornington-Flinders Rd near Blakeley's and Head's where Cr Griffith had a block.

My apologies for not using columns. pre= before page 1.
A. Aborigines 1-2, 5. ALLCHIN 19. B. BALCOLME 7. BARKER 24. BARNES William 27.
BENNETT 19. BENTON 29. BESSIE RAINE 121. BOTT 23. BROWN 25. Bulldog Creek's name 1. BURTON 35.
C. CALDWELL 28. CALLANAN 3. CARLYON Norman 36. Chinese 7, 17, 18. CLARKE 18. COLLINS 34.
CONNELL Lou 39, 40. COOKE Lyn, Lawton 36, 44. CROOKS 33.
D. DAVEY James 22. DOWNWARD- throughout, photos. DRUMMOND 28. E. ELLEMAN 23.
F. FENTON James 35. FIRTH 6, 33, 39, 40. Foxey's Hangout pre, 38-44 (photos). FRITSCH 20, 34.
GRANT Bros, Balnarring 30. GROVER 19, 28.
H. HALL 24. Hastings fishermen at diggings 20. HAYES Jack, trainer 34, 36, 44. HEAD 33.
J JAMIESON'S Special Survey 5. JOHNSON Phillip Hilton Elmore "Jack" pre, 38-44 (photos). JONES 19. JOURNEAUX 20, 34, 35. K. KERR 8, 39, 42. KIRKPATRICK 19.
M. MAIRS 12, 22 25 photo, 33. McCRAE 7. McCUSKER 28, 32. McILROY 24. McKENZIE pre, 42.
MAPS:Mornington Peninsula pre; Thomas's pre; pastoral runs 4; Jamieson's Special Survey 5; Parishes near Tubbarubba 6; Tubbarubba geological 9; diggings 15; subdivision of c/a 15 Balnarring 54.
MEYERS 29. MEYRICK 5. MILLS 22, 24, 26. MOAT 28. MORIARTY 28.
N. NICHOLS 23. NORMAN (stationers) 32, 38. NUNN 28. O. OLLEY 19. ORSINO 28. OSWALD 29. OSWIN 5, 22 photo, 23 photo, 24 photo, 25 photo, 26, 31. OVERGAADE 35.
P. Petition of 7-12-1880 18-21.POPE 19. POULTON Ina 35.
R. RANKINE 33. REDSTON Tom, Liza 44. RENNISON 19. ROBB 36. ROOKE Harold 36. RUDDELL 5.
S. SHANNON 28. SHERLOCK 28. Sheep stealing 33. SHERWIN John 34, 36. SIMS Rev. 36. SMITH 23 SOMERS 28. STANLEY 12. STOREY Herbert John 31. STUART Capt. 12. SWEETAPPLE 33.
T TEASDALE William 30. THOMAS Protector 1-2, 5. TUCK 5. Tubbarubba Gold Mining Co. 28. TULLIS Bob 36.
W. WALKER 33. WILCHER 26, 35. WILKO 19. WILSON 28. WITTEN 42. WOODWARD (Red Hill) 38. WORRELL 28.

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This journal was prompted by my attempt to establish that Charles John Beaman who married Elizabeth Neil Knox was the only son of Richard Beaman and the widow of David William O'Nial who was born at the Lady of the Lake Hotel in Tullamarine on 23-5-1855 (The Argus 26-5-1855 page 4, accessed through TROVE.)
There is extensive information about the O'Nials and Beamans under the heading of the Lady of the Lake Hotel in my journal about hotels near Tullamarine. The purpose of this journal is to assist the person who posted details about Andrew John Beaman on pages.

This post stated that Andrew John was the son of Charles John Beaman and Elizabeth Knox. When I clicked on Charles John, the post stated that he was born on 23-5-1855 to Richard Beaman and Ellen Theresa Fitzgerald. It seems possible, even probably, that Fitzgerald was the maiden name of David William O'Nial's wife. Why this is so will be discussed later. The big, big mistake is the statement that Charles John Beaman was born in Mauritius. I can only imagine (if no human error was involved) that another Ellen Theresa Fitzgerald/Beaman had given birth in Mauritius to a child with exactly the same name on exactly the same date as the boy born at Tullamarine. As this scenario is a bit far fetched, Mauritius may have been mentioned during Ellen's voyage to Australia and has somehow been attached in relation to another event, as a result of human error.

Very few of our early pioneers arrived in Australia on their own, except for sailors who jumped ship before (such as many of the lime burners at the Heads) and during the gold rush. Many came with relatives or sent encouraging reports and money to bring them later. A typical example is Robert Cairns who settled at Boneo in 1852. His wife's parents came with him and pioneered the other side of the bay, at Drysdale which is named after them. Within a couple of years, his brothers, Alexander and David had joined him at Boneo.

John Pascoe Fawkner's mother's maiden name was Pascoe and Moreland City Council accepted my suggestion to name Hannah Pascoe Drive (Melway 16C3) after her. Hannah lived at her son's Belle Vue Park (renamed Oak Park by Glenroy flour mill owner, Hutchinson) and as there were Pascoes among the area's early pioneers, it is reasonable to assume that they were relatives of Hannah's.
The 1863 rate book of the Broadmeadows Road Board (the oldest available in 1988) showed that pioneers with the surnames of Foster and Fitzgerald had small holdings on the east side of what is now Melrose Drive, north of the Mickleham Rd corner. They were probably on one acre blocks on John Carre Riddell's Hamilton Terrace, bounded by the road to Bulla, Derby St and the closed Greenhill St (formerly officially Victoria St but known locally as Nash's Lane after Charles Nash of "Fairview".)It is reasonable to assume that they were poor relatives of William and John Foster brought out to work on their property of almost 2000 acres. If Ellen Theresa Fitzgerald was indeed the wife of David William O'Nial and then Richard Beaman, she was probably a distant cousin of the rich Fosters. William returned to the old country to inherit and later John Vasey Lesley Foster did the same, his name changed to JohnFitzgerald Leslie Foster in order to inherit.

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The following article was discovered because I was trying to find if there was a link between George Dodd of Keilor and Thomas Coffey of Bulla and had done a DELAHEY, KEILOR search on trove. Despite the protestations of innocence by Melbourne Hunt Club members,it is interesting that I have not found one instance of farmers complaining about damage caused by the Oaklands Hunt Club.

I have deliberately not corrected the digitisation for a reason. As a former teacher who had great success with children who had been underachieving readers, I am sick and tired of politicians who advocate phonics as the prime tool in improving reading standards. I certainly taught phonics but if a child was stuck on a word, sounding it out was the last resort, because reading is primarily about extracting meaning from written text. A child sounding out every second word can't see the wood for the trees! TAKE NOTE SAMANTHA MAIDEN OF THE SUNDAY HERALD SUN, AND CHRISTOPHER PYNE,VICTORIA'S MINISTER OF EDUCATION. You will be able to read the article without much effort at all by using PREDICTION, in other words, guessing a word that makes sense. That is the main reading strategy to develop Mr Pyne! Try sounding out the words that don't make sense and see how far that gets you! That's what it's like for a poor reader! Not fun at all!

A meeting of mombers of the Melbourne Hunt, at which all farmers who considered they had any unsatisfied claims against tho club were invited to be present, was held yesterday at Goyder's Hotel, Bourke-streut, for the purpose of listening to any complaints the farmers had to make, and of considering the best means of reconciling the difficulties that existed between them and tho club.

Mr. J. Madden was in the chair. There wore about twenty mombers of tho club present, but oniy six farmers, the sympathies of the majority of whom were evidently with the club. The Chairman', in explaining the object
for which tho meeting was called, regrettée! that the farmers had not accepted the challenge thrown down to them by the club, and attended the meeting. As they had refused it, and declined to attend and make their
claims, he thought they must be considered out of court, and that the club could not bo held responsible any further.

Mr. Basil Gray explained that he had attended a holu-and-corner sort of meeting, held a short time back by some farmers, for the purpose of passing resolutions which would annihilate the Melbourne Hunt Club in particular, and hunting in general, in Victoria ; but, as he learned that those who desired to express views in opposition to that schemo would be prevented from speaking, he soon left. He, however, heard it stated there that the club had wilfully destroyed property and endangered life ; that in no one instance had they offered to compensate the farmers for damage done to their crops ; and that if the latter obtained anything from thom after ap-
plication,, it was trifling in comparison with the injury they had sustained. In his opinion, the faimera assembled at that meeting very badly represented their class ; and that, in consequence, tho club need
take no notice of the resolutions they had adopted. As they had not chosen to attend the present meeting, which had been expressly called to enable them to stato their grievances publicly, he considered they had exonerated the club from taking any notice of them if made privately. He could only recollect ono occasion in which a crop
had been ridden over by the club.The Chairman explained that in the instance alluded to, immediate compensation
had been offered and accepted.

Mr. H. Delahey, of Keilor, remarked that although a farmer himself, he must say ho considered'the claims sent in to the club, in many instances, excessive. Mr. Pyke thought that it would be still advisable to adopt a conciliatory demeanour towards tliB farmers, and endeavour to meot them in a fair spirit. He would, therefore,
move-"That the Hunt Club reglet the unpleasant feeling existing between themselves and the farmers, and aro willing to either repair any damage done by them, or to agree to the appointment of assessois on each side,
and to abide by any decision given by them. Mr. B. Gray agreed with tho terms of the resolution, and suggested that, to save tho ¡aimers all the trouble they could, it would be well to appoint an assessor in each district.

The Chairman observed that several farmers had suggested that instoad of receiving compensation for injury done to their fences, they would, in some districts at least,where wood was scarce, prefer that the club should send round a dray with a few rails, soon after tho hunt, and repair the damage done. To show that tho club was really anxious to meot the farmers, he might explain that two farmers, Messrs. Leslie and Wilson, had sent in claims for injury done to their fences at a recent hunt, and they would be paid, although their charges were not exactly correct. A gentleman at Heidelberg claimed £10 10s. for a terrier dog which the houndB had killed, and though the charge appeared to be high, ho felt sure the club would pay it when they knew that the person whomade it was not one likely to make an unreasonable demand.

Mr. Goyder, in seconding the resolution, reiterated the assertion that the club had no desire, to injure the farmers-----them. He entirely approved of the appointment of assessors, and the only difficulty in carrying the suggestion into eflect would be that of obtaining men who really would tell
them what damage had been done. There must be some check of the sort, or thoy might in somo instances have farmers coming in every Monday morning, claiming compensation for damage they had nevor sustained. Ho believed, however, that the club would rather put up with a little imposition than irritate the farmers by too closely inspecting their claims. Ho wished the whole of the farmers weio as hearty supporters of the hunt as those residing at Dandenong, who not only readily allowed the riders to go overntheir land, but even, when the cap was handedround, put in handsomely, and promised to do so again.

Mr. Waldock, the master of the hounds, remindeei 'the meeting that tho club had already appointed six farmers residing in the various agricultural districts to act as assessors for them. He believed the club had dealt,and were prepared to deal, fairly by thefarmers, and he would promise to give £100 to the Melbourne Hospital out of his own pocket on the day any one pointed out to him a caso in which he had not acted towards a farmer in the spirit a master of the hounds should not. He did not believe the feeling of opposition to the club was as strong as some mado it out to be, because ho know for a fact that some of tho farmers whost names wero attached to a document by Mr Dunn, warning him, as mastor of the houndè from coming on their land, had not autborised the uso of their names for any sucl purpose.

Mr. Goyder condemned the oxtrome language used by somo of the farmers at tholi late meeting when referring to tho Hun Club, but consideied that that should no induce the club to assume an antagonistic attitude towards them.

Mr. B. Gray suggested that the resolutioi should bo slightly altered, so as to read tha the club regretted the unpleasant feeling tha "appeared to oxist" between thomselves am the farmers. Ho did so because, in hi
opinion, such a feeling did not exist in th minds of the farmers as a class. Mr. Walduck considered that tho epithet of " Bourkc-8treet loafers," though not applicable to tho nunt Club, might be correctly applied to many of the non-subscribers wh followed the hounds. Ho would like to se the farmers assist the club to prevent thoa
persons joining in tho hunt, for the damag done to the fences was almost entirely occasioned by thom. '

The'resolution, amended according to Mr B. Gray's suggestion, was carried. Mr. Mitchell, of the Model Farm, objecte to the insinuation thrown out by Mr. Goydo that the farmers might on Monday morninf present - claims for damage thoy had nev< sustained. Speoific instancos should bo give in which that had been dono before a general charge was ' made against the farmers as a class.

Mr. Walduck said that, last Monday week three faimcrs, named Mansfield, Cumming and Sharpe, had sent in claims amounting t £13, while, on examination, it was found tin £10 10s. fully covered the damngo thoy hu sustained, .
Mr. Goyder explained that ho never itended by his remarks to make a gonçr chargo against the farmers. He morely wish«to impress upon the club th« necessity of taking some precautions to prevent tin being imposed on.

Mr. Boadle, of Prospect-hill, oxplained til it was his dog tho chairman had alluded to having been killed by the hounds. It h been worried in the presenco of his childrc with whom it had boen playing when t hounds carno up, without ovon an attempt to whip them off. He proceeded to instar several cases in > which considerable darno had been dono to his,and his neighbou property' when the hunt mot last Heidelberg, and especially condemned t manner ,in which,some of the riders h knocked down some panels of the cemetery fence, and grossly'abused one of the trust* when requested to put up tho rails again prevent to cattlo from getting,,in. He stated that the horse of one of tho hunters fell dead undor him, about two Cr three bundi yards from, tho cemetery ,and somo privi houses, and that when some labourers, v¡ were by, offered to bury it for a small
renouration 'the rider, replied that it had alrqi cost him enough.', out that the men mij have the skin for their trouble. The corquenco was that the dead body roman there still, to tho great annoyance of the
neighbourhood. _ . ' >

Mr. Goyder said that it'was his horse that had fallen down dead, but that ho had had no such conversation as that described by Mr. Roadie with any men. He would seo that the horse was buried. Air. Walduck assured Mr. Boadle that every attempt was made to whip the hounels off his little dog : but that they had killed it
before they could hu even reached.

Mr. Boadle believed that if the club would take ste»ps to prevent their hounds being followed by a number of non-subicribers, there were not threo farmers in the district he livetl in who would object to their hunting, so long as they avoided doing damage. Mr. B. Gray said the club were most anxious to do so ; but could Mr. Boadle inform him how they could prevent non-membeis following the hounds? Mr. Boadle replied that ho did not attend tbo meeting for the purposo of offering suggestions to the club.After some further discussion,

Dr. Pattehbon moved, and Mr. Pyke seconded, a vote of thanks to those farmers who had attended the meeting for the purpose of explaining their grievances to the club. The motion was carried, and tho proceedings terminated.
(P.1s, Argus, 6-7-1869.)

I had not realised what Edmund Dunn of "Viewpoint" (Melway 5 K12-D12 roughly)had started with his brave stance, despite reading all the proceedings of DUNN v WALDOCK. The latter's lawyer,Madden,tried to smother the case in points of law by taking it to the Supreme Court.

The Adelaide Hunt Club, in the infancy of career, may learn in time useful lessons from the recent declaration of war between the huntsmen of Melbourne and the farmers over whose land they have hitherto followed the kangaroo, the dingo, or the red herring. The yeomen of Moonee Ponds, Pentridge, and other fertile neighborhoods, profess no hostility to the " fine old English sport" of hunting, but object to the manner in
which it is practised in Victoria. At the first blush it will appear to any ordinary comprehension, that the farmers and gardeners are under no obligation to offer apologies for taking measures to protect their fields and gardens from invasion and injury. As owners of the freehold or leasehold of these lands they have an undoubted right to possess them free from needless molestation, and are unable to understand why a gentleman's ornamental grounds should be protected against the slightest pedestrian intrusion, while the husbandman's land should be exposed to the incursions of troops of horsemen, tearing through hedges, breaking down fences, and trampling under foot whatever happens to lie in their way. They consider they have, or ought to have,the rights of property enjoyed by other classes of the community, and do not see that they would be sacrificing them to a higher object if they submitted to unlimited aggressions simply because the trespassers were gentlemen in search of amusement. They have been told there is the law to appeal to, but(like too many other ill-used citizens) they have found practically that the law is nothing more than a machine for wearing out the poor suitor with expenses and annoyances, and ensuring victory to the litigant with the longest purse. A Mr. Dunn complained of the injury caused to his property by the Melbourne Hunt Club, and finding them unwilling to give him compensation at all commensurate with the damage he had sustained, sued the Master of the Hounds in a Court
of law, and got more kicks than halfpence, the trumpery indemnification he obtained being nothing to set off against the heavy costs and worrying by counsel to which he was subjected. He was treated, in fact, as if he were some criminal, or some greedy extortioner endeavoring to victimise a few pleasant, free-hearted, "jolly dogs," who, in the exuberance of their spirits, had chanced to'gallop across his land. He went into Court an injured man, and came out a still more injured man. His class took this matter up,perceiving that what was Mr. Dunn's case then might any day be the case of any other farmer whose land might be crossed by a flying doe or a Yarmouth bloater. The farmers and gardeners then formed an Association bearing the comprehensive title of the "Fence, Field,and Chattel Preservation League," fixed the annual subscription of members' somewhat in proportion to the extent of their holdings, and decided that any member of the League aggrieved by the huntsmen should come upon the common fund for support and assistance in obtaining redress by legal means. This league having been duly organised, the Nimrods of the chase opened their eyes and became suddenly aware of the fact that though they may occasionally override their bounds, they have not carte blanche to override all country property without fear of consequences. They of course had no prescriptive or any other right to gallop freely over other persons' land, just because they smelt game ahead of them. Hunting is commonly allowed by farmers over their ground because,they do not wish to spoil sport, and sometimes because they join in the past-time themselves, but they infallibly complain if the amusement is followed with a reckless disregard of consequences to property. It therefore comes to this:Huntsmen should first endeavor to do as little mischief as possible; and, secondly, should fully repair and compensate forany damage that is actually done. To destroy a man's property and then harass him with lawyers, is quite sufficient to breed hostility, and the defence, at the
expense of the Melbourne Hunt Club in the case of Dunn v. Waldock, and the manner in which it was conducted, amply warranted the position subsequently assumed by the agriculturists and horticulturists.
There are two classes of persons who turn out on hunting days to whom the farmers specially object. There are theroughs and jockeys, who ride neck-or nothing at and go out of their way to take fences, even if they lead into growing crops. This wanton destructiveness is much to be condemned, and is anything but sportsmanlike, for to say nothing of the old English custom of avoiding crops as much as possible, any true huntsman with a long run before him, will spare his horse as much as he can. But there is another class still more obnoxious,
usually composed of " cockneys " and unskilled or timid riders, who have no pretensions to the title of huntsmen at all, but simply go out in the hope of having fences broken for them through which they may scramble. They seldom if ever see the end of a run, they follow till some obstruction pulls them up, and
then, after trampling and cutting up the corn under the pretence of forcing their horses at the leap, return to boast of their wonderful exploits. A British farmer cannot stomach this sort of thing; he will more easily bear five times the amount of injury from the honest country rider, who fears nothing, than from the mere pretender. Persons who cannot follow hounds in a sportsmanlike manner should be content to see them " throw off," and
then satisfy themselves with a canter home, instead of making themselves ridiculous, and bringing discredit upon the sportsmen they are making feeble efforts to imitate. Conducted properly there is no fear of hunting becoming unpopular with farmers. It is a sport congenial to almost all persons with rural tastes, and with its healthy excitement and ample exercise, forms a pleasant relief, to those who can afford it, from wearying and irksome pursuits. Moreover, there is no question that whereever hunting is common it tends to improve the breed of horses. A racer in these days of light weights and handicaps is frequently good for nothing off the "turf," but most of the finest qualities of a horse must be combined in one that can take a succession of strong post and rail fences, and live through a long run across country. The hunter is the beau ideal of a horse, and if breeders aim at such a standard there need be no fear of deterioration in our hacks. But as a Hunt Club cannot exercise on its own freehold, care should be taken not to injure or annoy those upon whose kind consent the very existence of such a Club must depend. Express and Telegraph.
(P.2,The South Australian Advertiser, 28-6-1869.)

Adam Lindsay Gordon couldn't have put it better!

Here's some information about some of the people involved in the story.
DUNN.Edmund Dunn was a trustee for the Methodist church and despite dodging the toll gate near Viewpoint by exiting his property in different directions according to his destination,he was a peace-loving man like those in the Methodist Nash,Parr and Wright families. However when wrong was triumphing over right, he stood his ground,just like another Methodist leader at Tullamarine,Tommy Loft, about 60 years later, who had the Junction Hotel closed; Cec and Lily Green were later shown a bullet, lodged in an inside door,which had been fired during an attempt to arrest Squizzy Taylor at the pub! Edmund had complained not only about his crushed crops,but also about ewes that were so traumatised that they could not drop their lambs.

DELAHEY. I have tried to find what kind of farming the Delaheys were carrying out on their large area of land between Milleara Rd and the river but without success. I suspect that he was a grazier and would have had few crops likely to be trampled.

GOYDER. This was probably Frank Goyder,mentioned by Harry Peck in MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN,who later owned part of John Pascoe Fawkner's Belle Vue Park at Pascoe Vale and owned some good racehorses.

MADDEN. Probably the lawyer/supplier of horses to the Indian army, who renamed Hugh Glass's "Flemington" as "Travancore"-which when subdivided was given street names from India, Cashmere being a corruption of Kashmir. Waldock's lawyer; probably Sir John Madden.

PYKE. Squatter on the Upper Werribee run who was granted much land near Ballan. Pyke's Flat seems to be the site of Pyke's Creek reservoir.

WALDOCK. Sam Waldock was a racehorse trainer at Flemington but advertised his establishment and many of his horses for sale early in 1867. (P.2, Argus, 2-1-1867.)

On Saturday last Mr. Waldock, the Flemington trainer, who has undertaken the mastership of the Melbourne hounds, brought them out for the first time this season. At one o'clock the space in front of the Racecourse Hotel, which was the fixture for the occasion was a scene of much bustle and liveliness, being scattered over with carriages, horsemen, and horsewomen, among the latter of whom the Misses Manners Sutton* filled a
conspicuous place, though they only accompanied their brothers as far as the throw-off.
(The Telegraph, St Kilda, Prahran and South Yarra Guardian, Saturday 13 June 1868 p 3 Article.)
*Their father Sir John Manners-Sutton was the governor and soon after became Viscount Canterbury during his tenure, thus accounting for the first two names for BLAIRGOWRIE.

I'm fairly sure that Sam Waldock,who ran the Red House hotel at Northcote in 1866 (RACING AT NORTHCOTE.
The Ballarat Star (Vic. : 1865 - 1870) Monday 22 October 1866 p 2 Article) later owned the Laurel Hotel in Ascot Vale.

MITCHELL. The manager of the model farm was Josiah Mitchell. I suspect that the model farm,about 160 acres,was the northern part of Royal Park.It was definitely near the Royal Park Station where 5 acres of the old model farm was planted with mulberry trees in an attempt to establish a silk industry. Because of the farm, West Brunswick residents had to go four miles instead of one to reach Flemington Rd. The Industrial School (Turana?) was built on one of its paddocks, as was the mental institution which led to the creation of Oak St.

Cause of Rust in Wheat. We have received a pamphlet entitled 'The Cause of Rust in
Wheat,' being a paper read at Ballarat by Mr.Josiah Mitchell, of the Model Farm, Melbourne,together with a discussion thereupon. (South Australian Register, Saturday 20 February 1869 p 2 Article.)

ACCIDENT TO A VALUABLE HORSE.-A valuable mare, the property of Mr Mitchell, of the Model Farm, Melbourne, met with a frightful death on Saturday last, by jumping a low picket fence dividing the farmyard from an enclosure near the house. The leap, it would appear, was taken to avoid the attack of another mare, and in going over the low fence one of the sharp pointed pickets ripped open the belly of the animal; the bowels fell out on the spot, and the mare, after staggering for a few yards, dropped dead. Farmers will do well to avoid placing low " model fences " with sharp pointed pickets around their farmyards. (P.2,Bendigo Advertiser, 15-7-1869.)

MANSFIELD. The farm where damage was caused could have been on 16 Doutta Galla near the south west corner of the present Essendon Aerodrome, 22C Doutta Galla near the site of Westfield Airport Shoppingtown, Mansfield's Triangle, between Melrose Drive and Broadmeadows Rd (all Sam Mansfield),the 80 acre site of the Melbourne Airport terminal building (John Mansfield) or along Mansfields Rd near the historic Roseleigh homestead (David Mansfield.)

SHARP. This was James Sharp who had bought part of Foster's "Springs" (21 Doutta Galla)in about 1867. Sharps Rd,the boundary between the parishes of Doutta Galla and Tullamarine was named after James Sharp.

If only the Melbourne hunt had taken the advice of Mr Browne in 1866. He was on Camp Hill, of which Mansfield's Triangle had been a part before being sold off by Eyre Evans Kenny. He had a little girl named Pattie who later married Alfred Deakin. She remembered the injured deer in her later life. ("One episode in my early life stands out vividly in my memory," she states in her diary. "At Camp Hill, Broadmeadows,the meet of the hounds-the deer with a broken leg across the creek-the return of the hunters-my mother and father mounted-and my mother giving me her whip to hold-and again father looking splendid holding their two horses and letting me pat
them." WOMEN WHO HAVE HELPED TO BUILD AUSTRALIA No. 3 of Series: Pattie Deakin
The Mercury (Hobart, Tas. : 1860 - 1954) Wednesday 11 December 1935 Supplement: Woman's Realm p 3 Article Illustrated.

Sir,-Will you kindly, through the columns of your paper, allow me to suggest to the members of the Melbourne Hunt, and to the master of the hounds in particular, the propriety of choosing localities where there is
little cultivated land as the places for holding their " meets ?"
Last Saturday, had not tho stag unfortunately broken his leg as he was going down a steep hill on my property, he would have run through my crops, and those of the neighbouring farmers, followed by about a couple of hundred horsemen, which, as the crops are now up a good height, would have done considerable damage. As it was, a number of the horsemen, and one or two parties in conveyances, in coming to and returning from where the lame stag stood,instead of keeping on the farm-yard road, up which the stag had run, rode and drove over the ploughed land, lately sown with expensive grate-seeds, for about a quarter of a mile alongside of this road, because it was a little rough.
I should be the last person to say a word to discourage hunting, even if it were in my power to do so; and I would not have troubled you with this communication were there not many localities round Melbourne where there is little or no cultivation equally as suitable for the hounds to meet as the agricultural districts of Moonee Ponds and Broadmeadows. I feel sure the suggestion I have made will be endorsed by most, if not all, of the farmers in the neighbourhood, and considered reasonable by even the members of the hunt themselves.
I am, Sir, your obedient servant, AN OLD SPORTSMAN. Camp-hill, July 17. ((P.5, Argus, 19-7-1866.)

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The Quarantine Station site is an integral part of Victoria's history. Dennis and Honora Sullivan leased the land from the Crown in 1843 but when a ship arrived near the start of the gold rush in 1852 carrying a great number of infected passengers, immediate steps were taken to establish a quarantine station on their land because the current station at Elwood was considered too close to Melbourne.

The Quarantine Station buildings replaced the tents that were hastily erected in 1852 but are of equal historical significance to that of the Port Arthur penal buildings in Tasmania. Visitors to Pt Nepean are able to soak up the heritage of the pioneer cemetery, Cheviot Beach where Harold Holt disappeared, the quarantine station and the underground passages at the fort-amidst Mother Nature's garden.

A lease to private operators would lead to an historically insensitive situation such as at Dromana where the historic Church of England is now dwarfed, engulfed, by a huge apartment complex only metres away.

Vicky Sullivan is opposing this lease of crown land at Pt Nepean and she needs our support.

Here's some background on the issue. I believe the lease proposal is now for a 99 year term.

Stateline Victoria - Abc
Aug 29, 2003 - ZOE DANIEL: At the old Quarantine Station, where some of the first ...Vicki Sullivan is a direct descendant of the earliest settlers at Portsea.

ZOE DANIEL: Defence land at Point Nepean, near Portsea at the very tip of the Mornington Peninsula, will not be sold. Instead the Federal Government has revealed what it calls a compromise plan for it to be leased with its historic buildings to a private bidder for up to 50 years. The Government says it's the best way to preserve prime, coastal real estate for community use.

FRAN BAILEY, PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARY: We believe that the outcome that we have will provide that maximum protection by having the Commonwealth ownership, Commonwealth planning, Commonwealth legislation and having the leasehold very stringently controlled.

ZOE DANIEL: But its motives are being questioned.

JOHN THWAITES, VICTORIAN ENVIRONMENT MINISTER: Anything could happen there, we could end up with helicopters, five-star hotels, exclusive compounds.

ZOE DANIEL: At the old Quarantine Station, where some of the first Victorians came ashore, renovations have already begun to prepare the site for a new manager. Around 30 hectares will now be available here, under a new tender process based on a 40-year lease with an option for an extra 10. There'll be no State planning restrictions, and there is likely to be an accommodation element.

FRAN BAILEY: It might be student accommodation, it might be backpacker accommodation, it might be family accommodation.

ZOE DANIEL: It might be high end accommodation?

FRAN BAILEY: could be any sort of accommodation. But what I can rule out is that there can be no high-rise multi-storey hotel on that site.

ZOE DANIEL: A children's camp is more likely - with the historic Portsea Camp, which has been operating since early last century, likely to be offered a new home within the development. Ecotourism and property developer ES Link is most likely to win the tender. In these previously unpublished plans, it proposes a research institute and maritime centre, a quarantine museum, simple accommodation and restaurant and parklands complete with walking trails. But there's a catch - it'd take over the Portsea Camp's current site on prime headland which is zoned residential, and would be divided into house blocks - each returning millions of dollars to the developer. Before the Federal Government abandoned its intention to sell, local residents campaigned with the National Trust and National Parks Association for all of the land at Point Nepean to be added to the existing national park. Now they're mobilising again. They question the future of the historic Quarantine Station under the Commonwealth's plan - which doesn't rule out an exclusive hotel or convention centre.

JUDITH MUIR, TOURISM OPERATOR: With all the goodwill in the world, governments change and so we need State planning laws that are enshrined, we need to be aware that we're doing this for future generations not just for now.

WILL BAILLIEU, RESIDENT: What happens down here is not going to be in the control of Victorians at all, it's going to be totally in the control of what Canberra wants to do.

ZOE DANIEL: But there's even division among the lobbyists on this issue - and at least one group now supports the Commonwealth. Environment Victoria is an umbrella organisation representing environment groups. In this plan for Point Nepean, never published, it calls for the integration of the remaining Commonwealth land into the national park. The group sent out press releases along the same lines, and accepted and spent donations based on that premise. Now for the sake of pragmatism it says, it's applauding the Federal Government, even though private development on the site is ahead.

ERIC NOEL, ENVIRONMENT VICTORIA: Environment Victoria took the position that we wanted a solution based on the key tenets, that was that the land must remain in public hands and any development of that site, of the built Heritage area, must be done in accordance with the community master plan.

ZOE DANIEL: Environment Victoria is now at odds with some local residents, the National Trust and the National Parks Association. It's been accused of political favouritism and has received a complaint from Federal Labor after a confrontation with MP Kelvin Thompson over the State Government's failure to buy the site.

ERIC NOEL: Quite clearly Mr Bracks has broken another election promise and Kelvin should explain that to you members of the media.

KELVIN THOMPSON, MP: No, well, your political partisanship stands clear and stands exposed. The State Government has made very clear that it is willing to take over this land and manage it as national park...

ERIC NOEL: Don't get excited...

KELVIN THOMPSON: ..for all people for all time.

ERIC NOEL: Calm down, calm down.

ZOE DANIEL: But the lobby group says it changed sides because the Federal Government came up with the most realistic option. So you picked a winner and basically that was the Federal Government?

ERIC NOEL: Well, I think everyone is a winner in this situation, I think there are no losers.

ZOE DANIEL: Long-term Portsea resident David Stewart agrees. He likes the plan for an educational precinct taking advantage of the area's maritime heritage and environment and agrees with Environment Victoria's view that developing the Portsea Camp site is a fair swap for the sake of preserving the valuable defence land on the foreshore.

DAVID STEWART, RESIDENT: I think the value of that site that the people will come to enjoy over the next 40 or 50 years will make it so valuable, priceless in fact, that it will be preserved for all time.

ZOE DANIEL: But opponents of development at Point Nepean are still not satisfied. Vicki Sullivan is a direct descendant of the earliest settlers at Portsea. Many of her relatives are buried at Point Nepean and it's the time after her own passing that she fears.

VICKI SULLIVAN, RESIDENT: I would feel a lot safer if it was national park, because we don't sell our national parks and you know the Commonwealth wanted to sell it five minutes ago. Who's to say in 50 years, when I'm 90 and far too old to fight again that they're not going to sell it off then, who knows?

KATHY BOWLEN: By the way, among the backers of ESL are Melbourne's Lieberman family, Steve Vizard and Toll Holdings' boss, Paul Little.


22 September 2014

Local groups condemn planning proposals for Point Nepean Quarantine Station

The Nepean Conservation Group and Nepean Historical Society have voiced their strong criticism of the proposed granting of a 99-year lease over the Point Nepean Quarantine Station to a Sorrento property developer.

Dr. Ursula de Jong, Chair of the Nepean Conservation Group, said that the Government has kept the community in the dark on critical details.

What we do know, however, is that government plans effectively excise a large area (not yet determined) from Point Nepean National Park. And that their preferred developer Point Leisure Group have proposed an exclusive luxury health, wellbeing and geothermal spa retreat that ignores the values of the national park and will deny public access to many areas of the park. The community fought long and hard for an integrated national park at Point Nepean - the proposal further separates the QS from the NP.

A new planning zone (Special Use Zone 5) is proposed, as well as some other changes including removal of environmental significance overlays, amendments to the park management plan, removal of third party appeal rights to VCAT. The new zone allows future sub division. It puts the Minister for the Environment in charge of both the town planning decisions and the requirements under the National Parks Act, which as Minister he can override. He is also in charge of lease length and conditions.

Doreen Parker, President of the Nepean Historical Society, said that rich and complex layers of history at the Point Nepean Quarantine Station are of national significance but are not properly planned for in the story being told by the Point Leisure Group.

PLG has even airbrushed out reference to the name Quarantine Station by calling its development The Point.

The community groups consider that consultation process was too short, lacks critical information, and denies the community any future involvement in the important decisions about development at the Point Nepean Quarantine Station.

The Victorian Governments consultation ends on 1 October 2014. After that, all decisions about development of the Point Nepean Quarantine Station will be made behind closed doors between the property developer and the Government.

One of those decisions may be to subdivide the land, an action that will be enabled under the governments planning processes and made much easier if the property developer is granted the 99-year lease. Its as good as selling off the Point Nepean Quarantine Station.

Every Victorian will be affected by this proposal for such major development in one of our NPs. The groups are calling on the Victorian Government to redraft the SUZ5, establish planning processes that involve the community in key decision making, provide the details necessary for the community to make an informed judgment, extend the consultation process, and then reconsider the Point Leisure Groups proposals. They are also calling for people to submit their concerns to the Government by the 1 October 2014 deadline.

Some of the building at the Quarantine Station led to the death of Rosebud fisherman,Patrick Wee Wee (buried at the Rye Cemetery, where a detailed plaque has been installed by the Rye Historical Society) and four quarrymen whom Patrick was taking to the Quarantine Station.

The Telegraph reports that last Sunday evening, 26th ultimo, about 5 o clock, a Maori fisherman, named Patrick
Tomut Wee Wee, living at Rosebud,near Dromana, was drinking in the bar of the Tootgarook Hotel, at Tootagrook, and conversing with four young men named respectively Richard Knott, Richard Barry, Richard Abbott, and Richard
Bellringer, who wanted him to take them to the Quarantine ground, where they were employed by Mr Muir, a con-tractor, as stonemasons.
(04 Jan 1870 - VICTORIA.


This journal was prompted by Bezza sending me the information in italics. Mr Fenwick was probably managing the farm for Helen Melville. Thomas Steuart Gladstone was cousin of the prime minister. Stewarton and a farm of the same name in the Western District were probably named after Gladstone's partner. Stewarton was renamed Gladstone in the second year of John Cock's lease.

The will of the late Mr Thomas Gladstone has been proved. The personalty in the estate amounts to £25=,000.Kilmore Press 23 May 1889 p3. This is Thomas Steuart Gladstone. There was also a Sir Thomas Gladstone that died in 1889.

Fenwick seem to have Gladstone park in 1917 when it was sold.
Essendon Gazette 22 Feb 1917
Gladstone Park Sale. Campbell and Sons and McCulloch Hancock will sell, on Wednesday,. Inst., at 1 p.m., at Gladstone Park, Broadmeadows. under instructions from A. G. and C E. Melville. the whole of pedigreed and farm mares, dairy breeding sows, sheep, machinery, farm implements and sundries. Particularly given in our advertising columns, and other details may be had from the auctioneers or from Mr. A. Fenwick. Gladstone Park, Broadmeadows.

Essendon Gazette 14 Sep 1916 p2
Clearing Sale at Broadmeadows. .Last Tuesday week, 5th September, a very successful clearing sale was held at Gladstone Park, Broadmeadows, by McPhail, Anderson and Co., in conjunction with McCulloch and Hancock. The proprietors having decided to relinquish dairying and to go in solely for sheep and cropping, instructed the above agents to hold a clearing sale of all the dairy stock, plant, etc. A large number of buyers attended and a good sale resulted. Cows. in milk some time, made to £11 10s; springers, to £14; 21-year-old heifers, in lines, £6 12s 6d;: 18 months to 2-year-olds, £4 12s Gd; 9 to 12 months olds, £3 2s 6d; bull,.to £10 2s 6d. The plant. etc.. also sold at good values.

Essendon Gazette 8 August 1918 p3
MR. A. E. HOADLEY Has secured the Imported Welsh Cob, GWALIA CAESAR Who will stand the Season at GLADSTONE PARK, BROADMEADOWS. Terms on Application.

Section 5 in the parish of Tullamarine fronted the east side of today's Mickleham Rd from the Lackenheath Drive corner to Forman St where it adjoined Broadmeadows Township.The first bridge in the township joined the two parts of Ardlie St.

Today's suburb of Gladstone Park is separated from the rest of SECTION 5'S 777 acres (subdivided as the Gladstone Gardens Estate) by the freeway. It also includes most of "Viewpoint" which ran south to the junction. Marigold Crescent in Gowanbrae is also part of Viewpoint. About half of Camp Hill/ Gowanbrae is in Gladstone Park while the portion south east of the Ring Road carries the farm's second name.

George Russell of Golf Hill in the Western District who bought Section 5 Tullamarine is shown on the Parish map as the grantee. He bought it for Niel Black of Mt Noorat near Colac who arrived in 1839 as the representative of Niel Black & Co. The partners in this firm were A.Stewart,Thomas Steuart Gladstone, Alex Struthers Finlay and Niel Black. Section 5, Tullamarine was probably intended as a holding paddock or depot to rest sheep hoofing it to market in Melbourne and was owned by Neil Black until his death in 1880 and in 1881-2 by his estate.

In 1882-3 Gladstone became the owner and from 1888-1892, land speculator, G.W.Taylor, was recorded in rate books as the owner;he'd anticipated a killing because of the proposed railway to Bulla with a possible branch to Broadmeadows Township. Taylor fled the country leaving massive debts and the Gladstones regained title as well as pocketing the deposit and part payments.Andrew Lemon said the Gladstones owned the 777 acre farm "until the 1920's" but the rate collectors thought otherwise;the next owner was Frederick Newman Levin, from 1949 till 1952 when he sold to Stanley Korman.

Lessees were Peter McCracken 1846-1855 (McCracken Papers), J.Maconochie , 1863-4, Edmund Dunn of "Viewpoint",the next property south 1865-1873, John Taylor 1873-5, John Kerr of Kerrsland 1875-1892 (Kerr and sons 1881-2), John Cock my great grandfather 1892-1912, HELEN MELVILLE 1912-1917, A.E.Hoadley 1917-1920, L.Roxburgh 1920-1930, Jim Barrow 1930-1949. Owner/Occupiers from then were Levin 1949-52, Stanley Korman 1952-1964, Costain Development Pty. Ltd (Broadmeadows: A Forgotten History.) The last occupant of the second Gladstone Park Homestead (site known) was Ian Farrugia who was also the last occupant of the remaining house on THE LAST OF THE BROADY FARMS (Camp Hill/ Gowanbrae), the second farm south.