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Doug Ackerly's "Coleman" has recently been published. My aim here is to provide information that is not available in wikipedia or Doug's book.
Both played for Tyabb but in another game
Young Jack's stratospheric leaps and tons won far more fame.
When he first trained with Hastings, their offer he'd refuse
(To give him stops for better grip): "Not in my good shoes!"*
Did he squat in Hasting's goal square as he did at Windy Hill,
Nonchalantly chewing gum thrown by adoring fans, until
Rising with the speed of light from his haunches
He led into one of his spectacular launches?**
In one of Hasting's matches he was sorely pressed,
Kicking only eight; only A.Coleman was among the best.
Hastings won two premierships, won them back to back,
And Argus readers read of the feats of the "Standard's" Deadshot Jack.
(Trove, Tyabb Cricket Club website and Wikipedia. *George Slocombe,the Hastings coach.
** Fraser had felt his pulse quicken as a 10-year-old at Windy Hill when Essendon's on-ballers would win the football, Coleman would crouch in the goal square ready to explode like a sprinter from the blocks, and all in the Reynolds Stand would stamp their feet on the floorboards in anticipation. "It was just so exciting." I had written the poem before I saw Ken Fraser's account. It proves I wasn't dreaming!
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/john-coleman-book-has-everything-except-the-answer-to-goalkickings-mystery-20140528-zrr54.html#ixzz3B2NQea9E)
John Coleman did not forget Hastings when he hit the big time. Albert was invited to play with Richmond but that must have been when he suffered his injury.
PAGE 16.-THE STANDARD, Thursday, October 27, 1949.
Hastings Acclaims John Coleman. District's Great Tribute to Champion Forward.
Last Friday was a "Red Letter Night" for Hastings when a very big percentage of the town and district population attended at the Hastings Hall to officially welcome home the former local champion goalkicker, John Coleman, at a ball arranged in honor of his triumphant first season with Essendon League team, where he kicked the record of 100 goals, and stamped his claims as the greatest Victorian goalkicker of all time.
Prominent amongst the visitors were Messrs....W. French (senior Vice-President and Life Member of Essendon League Club, and an Essendon Club official for 42 years), who was accompanied by Billy Hutchinson, first rover;
George Hassell, champion wingster; and Bob Syme, first ruckman of the Essendon League team. Popular Mr. and Mrs. A. E.Coleman, the proud parents of the champion, were accompanied at the function by their other son,
Albert, who was also a fine footballer till he suffered a knee injury. Mr. Coleman, Senr., was a good footballer with teams in the Wangaratta-Albury district many years ago.
A surprising feature of the night-and the only regrettable one was the almost complete absence of representatives of most M.P.F.L. clubs, other than Hastings, and also the non-attendance of any members of the Shire Council, although the Shire President and two Councillors live in Hastings, and Centre Riding
Councillors reside close by in the Somerville-Tyabb area. However, the hall was packed to capacity by a crowd that found great delight in all the proceedings, and danced till 1 o'clock to splendid music by Neil Whitford's
Rhythm Trio (Sorrento). Warrant-Officer McKenzie (F.N.D.)proved himself the most efficient M.C. seen at Peninsula functions for a very long time. The function was exceptionally well organised, due mainly to the work
of Mr. Mayne, Hastings Club treasurer.
The hall was appropriately decorated with seven large premiership pennants won by Hastings Club, three of these being for the three last seasons, and due in large measure to Coleman's ability in front of goals. About
200 miniature club' pennants, large balloons, and a floral-decked, stage completed a fine picture of public appreciation.
Torchlight -Procession.. .
The opening of the "Welcome Home Ball" was preceded by a torchlight procession from the Hastings Hospital, headed by the Mornington Town Band, and followed, by the Hastings Fire Brigade members, in full uniform,
...A Great Reception.
John Coleman received a great ovation as he entered the hall, all present standing to sing ''For He's a Jolly Good Fellow," and giving three mighty cheers. Mr. Mayne expressed regret that Mr. Wallace Sharland, who
was to have made the presentation to John Coleman, was unable to attend on account of illness.
Mr.Mayne thanked all donors towards the present for Coleman, and the Mornington Town Band for giving its services free. He also thanked the Ladies' Committee for the' grand job they had carried out in connection with the supper arrangements.
Mr. Percy Wilson (captain of the Hastings Football Club), who made the presentation to John Coleman, of a bag of golf clubs valued at ?40, said that night's entertainment had been organised by the Hastings Football Club
and admirers of John Coleman in honor of the wonderful record he had put up this year, and during the past two seasons. Hastings had never had a more popular player said Mr. Wilson, and John still came along to all club
functions as a Hastings player, just as he did when he took the field with the local team. He then presented John with the golf equipment, expressed the hope that he would be as good a golfer* as he had been a footballer, and wished him every success in the world. The Band again played "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow," and the hall rang with cheers.
(*As a golfer John made some good cricket scores. See P.22,Argus,4-8-1955.)
John Coleman, in responding thanked all concerned for a very fine gift. He would remember and appreciate this evening for many years to come. He thanked Mr. Mayne for the way he had organised the function, and also
the Hastings Club generally. It gave him great pleasure to see so many Peninsula faces in the gathering.
Mr. W. French (Senior Vice President, Essendon League) expressed great pleasure at being present. He said he would like to mention at the outset that Essendon had not "taken John Coleman off Hastings," for Coleman
had played first with the Essendon District Juniors, which team was holding its presentation night in the Masonic Hall, Essendon, that same night. He (Mr. French) had been told long ago by an official of that team, that "there is a kid here, who will be the greatest forward of all time." He (Mr. French) was sure John was
going to be the greatest forward of all time, and he was the "King of Essendon" as far as public popularity goes in that city. Essendon's gain had been Hastings' loss, but it would have been a pity to have kept a great player like John in Hastings. If it had not been for his great team spirit, in co-operating with his team
mates, John could easily have got 130 or 140 goals for his first League season, instead of 100,said Mr. French. He assured them that Essendon would look after John, and he hoped Hastings would produce another player of
his calibre for future play with the 'Dons'.
A Popular Song
During the evening pleasing songs were rendered over the 'mike'" by the talented Hastings vocalist, Mr. Dave Ward. One that "brought the house down" was the following parody (tune"Four Leaf Clover" chorus) written in the hall by the Standard representative:- "
There's not a goalman like our John Coleman,
That we've ever seen, before.
Each kick is dead-shot, and goals
come like rain,
Tired, are the scorers who can't
stand the strain;
No need explaining, one w're entertaining.
Is somebody we adore;
There's not a goalman like our
That we've ever seen before.
Another Coleman Trains At Richmond
By PERCY TAYLOR
ALBERT COLEMAN, whose full forward brother is doing so well at Essendon, trained at Richmond last night, but has promised to train with his brother on Tuesday. Richmond was much impressed by Coleman, "who is a 6ft l 1/2in. half-back, with heaps of football in him. There is a feeling that he will prefer to play with his brother, but Richmond hopes to see him again.(P.16,Argus, 25-3-1949.)
Albert was obviously too busy as an orchardist to train very much but he did play in Essendon's practice match soon after.* Before I forget, I must mention two of last night's incidental findings. Albert was a former schoolmate of Harry Beitzel and Harry Caspar. The former was a successful field umpire and broadcaster and Caspar, who transferred from Northcote to Carlton was the man who cost John Coleman four matches and Essendon a premiership. The school which Albert and these two attended together has not yet been found. Was it University High School? Jack Simpson from Doutta Stars became a labour politician who held the State seat of Niddrie for many years.
*COLEMAN PLEASES IN ESSENDON MATCH
By PERCY TAYLOR " "
JOHN COLEMAN, much discussed Hastings full forward, played at Essendon for the first time on Saturday, and proved to be just as good a footballer as expected. A large crowd came specially to see Coleman, and they were
well rewarded. He is fast, leads out well, marks safely, and is a most accurate kick, scoring seven goals from seven kicks.Although he is 6ft 2in in height, he does not carry much weight*,which might be a drawback in
Simpson, 6ft 4in, came from the Doutta Stars, and played so well in the junior match that he was taken out and included in the senior game. He could easily go further. Others to shape well were Mccallum (seconds), Calder
(Wonthaggi), who worried Leehane; McGilvray (Gunbower), Luck (Shepparton), Williams(Moonee Valley),Illingsworth
(district full-forward), and Donovan (seconds). A. Coleman (brother of Jack) has ability, but he is "short of a gallop." (P.17, Argus, 28-3-1949.)
Another incidental find last night was that John Coleman had broken Hastings' record for goals in a season set by John McMillan. To say that John Coleman did not carry much weight was actually an understatement as shown by a photo of McMillan and John Coleman both of whose families had lived in the south west of Victoria. I wonder if Doug had this photo in his book. See photo in the following accompanying the text which is supplied below in italics:
Dunrobin Football Team (1921) - Glenelg & Wannon Settlers
John Angus "Jack" McMILLAN, son of John and Florence McMILLAN (nee McGUINESS).
Mr McMillan was a member of the Footscray Seconds first premiership side in 1936. He came to the club from Hastings in that year and played four senior games before breaking his wrist. A full forward, he held the goal kicking record at Hastings for 13 years before it was broken by John Coleman in 1947 with 136 goals. Mr McMillan?s record was 119 goals established in 1934. Born in Casterton, Mr McMillan was from a family of nine children.
A primary school teacher, Mr McMillan had been actively associated with sports administration. He was coach of the Victorian Schoolboys football team in 1955 and 1962 and was manager of the side in 1968. He was also on the Council and the committee of the Kooyong Lawn Tennis Association. Mr McMillan was a member of the City of Hawthorn Lodge No 363, and had been Secretary of the Gould League of Bird Lovers for the 11 years prior to his death in 1969.
Thanks to Libby McMillan for the above images.
RUNS IN COLEMAN FAMILY
Alan (sic) Coleman, brother of Essendon League football champion, John, kicked another six goals for Hastings on Saturday to make his total for three games 22. In this period his team has scored 32 so Coleman's feat is equal to, if not better than, some performed by his now better-known brother, John, who were both former
residents of Port Fairy. Coleman's father, a former manager of the Port Fairy butter factory, residing at Tyabb, when asked to compare Alby with John, replied, "Alby hasn't had the chance John has had, on account of
trouble. I would not say that he is better than John, but without injury he would be just as good. When asked if Alby would go to the 'big game,' Coleman, senr., said, He doesn't intend to carry on with football. He is looking after an orchard and has his hands full. (P.2,Portland Guardian,26-6-1950.)
John Coleman was such a sensation that every time somebody kicked a bag he was touted as the new John Coleman. Most of them,such as the Spotswood lad that was invited to train with Williamstown, are unknown to me. However this article is of interest to me for two reasons. Firstly, John and Alby's father,Albert Ernest Coleman, had been a noted player in the Albury area and secondly Ken Smale had been the coach of East Shepparton in 1970 when I was on the V.F.L. list and umpired one of their games.
BULLDOGS CHASE NEW "JOHN COLEMAN"
Wimmera League's "John Coleman," Ken Smale, was interviewed today by Mr.Roy Russell, secretary of Footscray Football Club. Mr Russell made a special trip to Warracknabeal to do so. Smale, who is only 19,would have been Wimmera League's leading goal-kicker last season but for National Service training. He kicked 10 goals for
Warracknabeal against Murtoa on Saturday. Smale is similar in build to Essendon star John Coleman. He is 6ft. tall and a brilliant high mark. (P.9, Argus, 12-5-1953.)
Ken kicked 98 goals in 60 games with Collingwood and was belatedly made a life member of the club. See:
Pies honour Smale fo life | The Wimmera Mail-Times
Nov 4, 2008 - WARRACKNABEAL football living legend Ken Smale has been awarded a belated life membership to Collingwood Football Club. Smale, 78 ...
Doug Wade grew up in the Wimmera with Ken Smale as one of his heroes.
My all time hero was John Coleman but guys like Ted (Jarrard)and Kenny Smale who was from Warracknabeal weren't far behind him. Kenny played in three Grand Finals, including the famous 58 side.
(KEN PIESSE FAVOURITE SON'S FROM THE WIMMERA
A PORT FAIRY PERSPECTIVE.
THE role Port Fairy played in the life and times of an Australian sporting legend has seen the town take up a prominent place in a new e-book.
Former Essendon champion the late John Coleman is the subject of the e-book, Coleman: The Untold Story of an AFL Legend, which has been written by former Heywood man and author Doug Ackerly.
The e-book is a prelude to a full biography about Coleman that Ackerly will release next April.
The release of the e-book coincided with the unveiling of the Avenue of Legends at the MCG yesterday of which Coleman was a part.
In the e-book, Port Fairy is the central location on the chapter which focuses on Coleman's early life.
The chapter explains how Coleman's parents moved to Port Fairy in 1922 when his father was appointed as the manager of the Port Fairy Cheese, Butter and Ice Factory in Gipps Street.
The young couple wasted no time in starting a family, with daughters Lawna and Thurla and oldest son Albert.
John Douglas Coleman was then born on November 23, 1928, with the story behind his second name an interesting one.
It appears his mother was struggling to find a second name when Sunday school teacher Ruth Engish suggested Douglas, which was the name of the guest house she ran in Gipps Street opposite the Colemans home.
Football was always a part of John Coleman's life as he and his brother would play football matches with the Pevitt boys, Frank and Don, along what was a then small back road covered in grass called Regent Street.
The book says the Pevitt boys remember John Coleman as a talented footballer but with an extremely competitive nature.
John Coleman may never have played official competition with the Port Fairy Seagulls, but these early games of street football give Port Fairy some right to the claim the town was the first step in his decorated football career.
The Colemans stayed in Port Fairy until January 1939 before moving to Melbourne.
(Legends link to Port Fairy | Moyne Gazette
ONE GAME WONDER.
A great fan of Daryl Pittman's THE LOCAL FOOTY SHOW ON C.31 (digital channel 44), I remember seeing this story on the show some time ago. No doubt local residents named Coleman attended the game.
Was John Coleman the greatest forward ever to ever play ...
In early December 2012 I stumbled on a small article that appeared in the Argus on 8th October 1951 titled Win Ends Country Dispute. The article covered various country matches and finished with:
Freighters, runners up in the Federal District League, were defeated by North Albury in a match in aid of the local team at Albury on Saturday. Essendon full forward John Coleman kicked five goals for Freighters. Other Essendon players took part in the game. Final scores North Albury 17.25 Freighters 17.9?.
I couldn't believe what I had found. The great John Coleman played for a Heatherton side! This was just a week after Essendon lost the 1951 Grand Final to Geelong. Coleman didn't play as he was reported in the final home and away game of the season and sensationally suspended for 4 weeks. It seemingly cost the Bombers the flag as they went down by just 11 points.
It just didn't make sense that the great John Coleman could have played with a local outfit and why did it only receive a few lines at the end of another article, especially given his fame and the recent events of that year?
I began trawling the internet and books on John Coleman without success. My next port of call was searching the newspaper archives at the State Library Victoria (SLV).
In a hard copy edition of the Border Mail 6th October 1951, I won the research equivalent of 1st Division in lotto. I found an advertisement and an article for the game and not only was John Coleman listed to play but also Bill Hutchison and Alan Dale (Essendon), Alan Ruthven (Fitzroy), Charlie Sutton (Footscray), Kevin Curran (Hawthorn) and Ted Jarrod (North Melbourne). What a side! I quickly turned to the Monday edition to see the photographs of these legends wearing our club colours. It was disappointing to discover that there were no photographs, just a two paragraph report of the game.
Big Crowd Sees Coleman At Albury
?North Albury combine defeated Freighters (Melbourne Federal League) by 17 points at Albury sports ground on Saturday. Gate takings were ?144.
Champion Melbourne goal kicker John Coleman got five goals for the visitors, and repeatedly drew the applause of the crowd for breath-taking leaps.
Final scores were North Albury 17.26 (128), Freighters 17.9 (111).
Best Players Freighters : Hutchison (Ess), Reeves (Nth M), Coleman, Sheppard, Tilley and Reid.
I grabbed the Moorabbin News and located the Freighters Club notes by ?H.C.J?. in the edition issued the week after the game.
Freighters Club (By ?H.C.J.?)
The Federal District League received a great boost when Freighters played Nth Albury football team during our visit to Albury last week-end. Our club was very fortunate in securing four league players, namely John Coleman, Bill Hutchison, Alan Dale and John Reeves. These players gave the game a great kick, and were a great attraction to the crowd that witnessed the game.
The marketeers? of the game were obviously making sure a good crowd rolled through the gate with the extra star players notes in the Border Mail article and the advertisement. Still, the Freighters team contained three Essendon premiership players and John Reeves who played in North Melbourne's losing 1950 grand final team which would have made for a more than handy side. Unfortunately, we returned Alan Dale back to Essendon slightly damaged, he received a nasty knock and suffered two broken ribs during the game.
So who was the greatest forward to ever play for Heatherton?
As mentioned before Doug Wade regarded John Coleman as the greatest player he had seen. Another with the same opinion was a player who rivalled his hero as a spectacular high flying aerialist. I loved this Fitzroy player who filled a void when John Coleman's career was cut short. As a young Bomber supporter, I could share in the excitement of Tony Ongerello's screamers, safe in the knowledge that they would be unlikely to result in a goal to hurt the Bombers (unlike Ray Poulter's huge torps from centre half forward for Richmond.)Leigh Matthews is generally regarded as the greatest-ever footballer,but not in the opinion of Tony,the last man to kick goals using place kicks. Some of Tony's screamers are shown on the following website,from which Tony's opinion is reproduced in italics.
OWAAT ? One Week at a Time ?Tony Ongarello: A ...
On Coleman, Tony is adamant. ?He is the greatest player to have played the game. He could do it all: he was quick, skilful, could jump and mark, was tough, but fair. He was without peer. I played in the game before his last. He kicked 14 goals on us and was untouchable. He would repeatedly jump and take the most sublime marks. Easily the greatest player I have seen.?
Later, when discussing the Brisbane Lions coaching predicament and board troubles, Leigh Matthews was mentioned.
?He would be Coleman?s competitor wouldn?t he?? I said.
?In what way?? he responded.
?As the best.?
?Not as far as I?m concerned. Matthews is one of the game?s greatest players, but to my mind Coleman stands alone.?
The game following his 14 goals against Fitzroy, Coleman would kick 5 against North Melbourne before dislocating his knee. He would never play again.
It is easy to see why Tony Ongarello was such a fan of John Coleman, they played similarly. There are differences of course, and the main one is clearly that Coleman was an elite kick. In his 131 games, Tony is credited with kicking 247 goals, but the records don?t show how many behinds he kicked. According to those who saw him, there were many.
COLEMAN NOT PICKED IN VICTORIAN TEAM TO PLAY WESTERN AUSTRALIA IN 1952!
Imagine my surprise to find that John Coleman had not been named in the team. There was a very good reason and it had nothing to do with his form.
John will be the draw
By HUGH BUGGY
Star League forward John Coleman was not omitted from the Victorian State side because of loss of form. He was left in the Essendon team to play in Brisbane on June 14 as the game's greatest drawcard. This opinion was
expressed by several League club officials last night. They said the whole object of the match between Essendon and Geelong in Brisbane was to promote the Australian game in the northern State.
To play a game there without John Coleman, they added, would be like playing a Test match without Lindwall and Miller. These officials agreed that Jock Spencer, North Melbourne forward, was now quite as competent as Coleman, but Spencer was not yet the big-name player that Coleman is. Coleman in five games this year has kicked 24 goals for Essendon. Spencer, in six games, has scored 23.
They said the prowess of Coleman as a goal-kicker was well known to all followers of football in Brisbane.
His record as the first League forward to kick 100 goals or more in his first two seasons was as familiar
to them as it was to Victorian fans. Officials said that as the "away" round was solely a propaganda effort, Brisbane would be keen to see Coleman in action. (P.8,Argus,4-6-1952.)
N.B. John kicked 13 goals!
Essendon crushes Geelong at Brisbane COLEMAN GETS THIRTEEN IN GREAT WIN Brisbane, Monday
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Tuesday 17 June 1952 p 8 Article.
JOHN MARRIES HIS "FINANCE".
Yes,that's what Monica Fernando of Merlynston was called when their engagement was announced in 1954! The crush outside the church when they married was described in graphic detail in the following article which has poor quality photos of the crowd and the newlyweds. (P.1,Argus,4-3-1955.)
OH THE PAIN!
I went to Kensington Central School where two of my mates were Reg. and Max Fairchild who barracked for South Melbourne. Reg.was a good-enough footballer to have attracted the attention of North Melbourne while at the Central School (form 1 and 2)and Max will be well-remembered as Beau in the Beaurepaire Tyre advertisements. They'd told me they were going to the match at the Lakeside Oval and when the Bombers lost despite John Coleman kicking eleven goals straight (not mentioned in the following report) they were the last people I wanted to see because I knew I'd get a ribbing. Sure enough they were waiting to gloat when we entered the subway at the station.
COLEMAN 11, BUT-
Speedy South earns 10-point win
By PERCY TAYLOR
SOUTH MELBOURNE'S tigerish finish gave it a sound 10-points victory over Essendon in a game of high standard on Saturday. South's pace, plus the varying fortunes of the sides, thrilled the 30,000 spectators.John Coleman, who kicked 10 goals for Essendon on the opening day, gave another exhilarating display to kick 11 brilliant goals. But despite his dominance, Essendon failed elsewhere. Its defence, in particular, became slack, and crumpled beneath the persistent and pacy play of the southerners. On Saturday's form South could do well this season. South was the dominant side for three quarters, due to high-flying and fast ruckmen, fast and clever rovers, and a forceful and high marking lot of half forwards. Essendon held control in two of the three centre line positions all day, but its forwards, with the exception of Coleman, did not take full advantage of it. etc. (P.10,Argus,4-5-1953.)
JOHN'S LAST SCREAMER.
And is this his last great mark?
This could be the last of Coleman's fabulous marks-it was taken in Saturday's game-that stamped him as a champion. (P.1,Argus,7-6-1954. A GREAT PHOTO which shows clearly that John did not need opponents' backs to gain elevation.)
UNIVERSITY HIGH SCHOOL.
It has been said that John Coleman was a "middling" high jumper and Ron Clarke said he would have been more successful as a triple jumper because he could take off on either foot. He was the Open champion of Uni High in both.
TWO RECORDS AT UNIVERSITY HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS
J. Nuttall won the 880 yards in record time of 2min 7 3-10sec at the University High School sports at Royal Park yesterday. G. Harry broke the long jump record in under 16.
BOYS' EVENTS: Open: 830 Yds: J. Nuttall. 2.7 3-10. Hurdles: J Coleman. 100 Yds:K. Kube. 220 Yds: H. Dowd.
High Jump.J. Coleman. Hop, Step, Jump. J. Coleman. etc. (P.14, Argus, 17-10-1946.)
Uni High could beat most opponents in footy but the most satisfying victory was always over Melbourne High and these were more common in the 1950's when Uni High's side was stacked with players such as Ron Carruthers, Barry McAuliffe,John Booth, Viv. Peterson, Bobby Clark, the Keddie twins,Terry Rodgers (who beat John's goalkicking record), Graeme Leydin, Graeme Beissel, Ron Evans (imported from Caulfield Grammar), etc., etc., etc.
Good Win For U H S At Carlton
UNIVERSITY HIGH. 14 gls 11 bhds (95) MELBOURNE HIGH . 9 gls 3 bhds (57)
For the first time in six years University High School defeated Melbourne High School in a football match at Carlton yesterday. A return match will be played on August 7.Best: University High: Coleman (5), Plumridge (4), Boyd (2). Melbourne High: Balson, Dunn, Witherow.(P.13, Argus, 25-7-1946.
John Coleman, captain University High School, trained at Essendon last night. He is a district boy, aged
only 17, 6ft lin, and 12 1/2 st. He should be a player next season.(P.9, Argus, 21-8-1946.)
I speculated earlier that John Coleman, Harry Beitzel and Harry Caspar had all attended University High School.
This has been confirmed by Harry Beitzel himself in a pop-up (click on the carictature of Harry Beitzel) on the following website, found in a Harry Caspar search. Harry Caspar's career at Carlton had a break in 1954,the reason being that he was playing for Sorrento and was married in New Zealand in that year. Harry was working at Portsea in early 1953 and the Sorrento Football Club tried to sign him but the Carlton Football Club refused permission, obviously later relenting. Harry was one of many footballers to move to the beautiful Mornington Peninsula. Not surprising because he seems to have been living at Sorrento before he started playing for Northcote, according to another Carlton webpage (given in italics later.) Another pop-up on this website reports his death at Rosebud.
CASPAR, Harry : Blueseum - Online Carlton Football Club ...
HARRY CASPAR.(Google "Harry Caspar, Mahoney".)
From Post Office Directories of Melbourne Thaddeus Mahoney was a storekeeper and hardware dealer of 30 Queensberry Street, Carlton from 1862 until 1866. After this date the family appears at several addresses through Carlton, and Prahran until around 1884. There were ten surviving children all growing up, and only two were married before the father died.
Thaddeus was aged just 59 years when he died at Neil Street, Melbourne, on the 6th of February 1879 of general exhaustion and disease of the liver. Jane O'Mahony died just five years later of Dropsy and Chronic Inflammation of the Liver on the corner of Newry Street and St Georges Road in Fitzroy on the 23rd March 1884, aged 50 years.
Both were buried together in the Roman Catholic Section of R/C I 391 in Melbourne General Cemetery. Their youngest was also buried there as Eliza had died in 1880.
Jane had left a family of nine living children and most married just before or just after her death. The pair of Thaddeus and Jane have left a large family of descendants who have married into many of the other families of Carlton and North Melbourne.
Some of the descendants of Thaddeus and Jane were footballers, and played for Carlton. One great grandchild of the couple was Harry CASPAR, who was involved in a punch up with the great full forward John COLEMAN. That John Coleman / Harry Caspar fight in the goal square cost Essendon the Grand Final when both were suspended for four weeks. Without Coleman, Essendon lost the 1951 Grand Final to Geelong by 11 points. The Essendon supporters have not forgotten it, and never forgiven it.
Harry George CASPAR b. 4 Nov 1926 North Carlton, Vic. m. 6 Mar 1954 New Zealand. d. 1 Jul 1988 Rosebud, Vic.
June Lesley EGINTON b. 1930
Descendants of Harry and June were born at Mornington from 1957 and later at Rosebud as late as 1996. They are listed on this website.However, despite the Caspar name being mentioned in connection with the South Mornington Football Club, Harry was probably living near Sorrento,perhaps at Blairgowrie. These births and Harry's death were probably at the Mornington and Rosebud hospitals. Harry is buried in good company at the Sorrento cemetery.
IN GOOD COMPANY
John McCarthy is buried on a small rise in the middle of the Sorrento Cemetery.
Tucked away in scrubland on the edge of the Mornington Peninsula coastline, the graveyard is filled with notable figures.
Barry ?Hooker? Harrison, who tagged Ron Barassi out of the 1958 Grand Final, is just a few metres from McCarthy?s grave.
A bit further along you?ll find Harry Caspar, the Carlton full back Essendon fans blame for John Coleman?s suspension at the end of the 1951 season which cost them the premiership.
There?s also Percy Cerutty, the athletics trainer who coached Herb Elliott to the 1500m gold medal at the 1960 Rome Olympics, and Prime Minister Harold Holt?s wife Dame Zara Bate.
( Remembering John McCarthy | Herald Sun
F - Australian Cemeteries
CASPAR, Harry George, 1/7/1988, 61, June, buried with son Phillip J Casper (sic).
Phillip, Harry and June's son, was only 11 years old.
The following webpage explains why John Coleman lost it when he was punched. He had a boil on the back of the neck and that was the target his former Uni High schoolmate aimed at! Harry Caspar supposedly was originally from Sorrento so this could mean that he stayed with relatives each weekend during his career with Northcote. Amazingly,one of his sons played with Essendon Reserves.
Harry Caspar : Blueseum - Online Carlton Football Club ...
Jun 5, 2013 - Originally from Sorrento, Caspar later joined VFA front-runners Northcote ... the 1954 season playing for Sorrento on the Mornington Peninsula.
N.B.Northcote was hardly a front-runner when it cleared Harry to Carlton; the club had finished 10th!
It has been said that John Coleman never lived at Hastings but it seems that he spent time there with his parents after his knee was injured. These consecutive pars show that John and Harry Caspar were both on the peninsula at the time. Harry had been relegated to Carlton's reserves possibly because of a loss of form or his inability to get to training from Sorrento; this is why Carlton had a change of heart about clearing him to Sorrento.
Information from Hastings indicates that John Coleman is progressing slowly. His damaged knee is still in
irons. "We will be surprised if he plays again this year," said Mr. Howard Okey last night. "Perhaps he will be
fit to play for us in the finals."
Follower Harry Caspar was cleared to Sorrento by Carlton committee last night. He had previously expressed a desire to go to Footscray, but changed his mind, preferring to play where he is employed. (P.15,Argus, 29-6-1954.)
FROM New Zealand comes news of the recent marriage of Harry Caspar, former Carlton ruckman, to June, elder
daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W. J. Eginton, Mayor and Mayoress of Motueka, Nelson. After a car tour of the South Island, they will return to live at Sorrento, Victoria, where Harry will resume football training.
(P.17, Argus, 29-4-1955.)
Harry had been one of Sorrento's best in its first semi final win in 1954 but returned to Carlton in 1955 because he needed only one more game to qualify for the provident fund.
HARRY'S BLUE WITH THE BLUES.
Was Harry's relegation to the reserves due to poor form or a blue with the Blues?
After serving his suspension through the first four games of 1952, Caspar was brought straight back into Carlton?s senior team. He celebrated his 50th match in round 18 (a 36 point win over St Kilda at the Junction Oval) and played in the first and only senior final of his career when the Blues lost a heart-stopping Semi Final by l point to Fitzroy in front of 18,000 fans at the MCG. In a dramatic post-match incident later that evening, Carlton?s promising full-forward Keith Warburton collapsed and was rushed to hospital, where only repeated blood transfusions over the next 24 hours saved his life. One of Keith?s kidneys had been ruptured in a heavy collision during the game, but he somehow stayed on the field until the final siren.
That dramatic final marked the high point of Harry Caspar?s career at Carlton, because soon afterwards, his career went into decline. Injury delayed the start of his 1953 season, and he had added only four senior games by round 9 when he apparently became embroiled in a dispute with his captain, Ken Hands, or his coach Percy Bentley. As a consequence, Caspar spent the second half of the year with the seconds. In September, he was influential in driving his team right through to the Reserves Grand Final, and the Blues comfortably beat Essendon in the curtain-raiser to the Collingwood-Geelong Grand Final at the MCG.
Despite that success, Harry?s problems continued into 1954. On the first day of the new season, Carlton Reserves unfurled their Premiership flag at Princes Park prior to the match against South Melbourne. Early in the game, Caspar and the Swans? captain-coach Don Condon tangled, and Condon was reported. Then at half time, Harry became involved in a heated discussion with Carlton officials, and shocked everyone by demanding an immediate clearance and leaving the ground.
Caspar spent the 1954 season playing for Sorrento on the Mornington Peninsula.
Carlton stood firm however, and Caspar eventually returned to the fold ? and to senior football - in 1955. Wearing guernsey number 6 (after playing all of his career to that point in number 24) he was one of Carlton?s best in a big loss to Essendon in round 9, before his career imploded in less than ideal circumstances the following week. In the midst of another big defeat ? this time by Footscray - Caspar was reported for striking the Bulldogs? Dave Bryden. And to make matters worse, he suffered a badly-bruised back during the last quarter. On the following Tuesday night, Harry was suspended for four weeks, and that brought the curtain down his career. He retired on the spot, and didn?t play again at any level.
In 1956, Caspar headed off to play for East Ballarat that had just appointed his former team-mate John Brown as coach for the 1956 season.
In the years after his last match for the Blues, Harry returned to live at Sorrento, where he and his wife produced five sons. All of the Caspar boys represented Sorrento at some time in their sporting careers, and two went on to play at VFL Reserves level; Michael with South Melbourne in 1980, and David ? remarkably, with Essendon in 1984.
Harry Caspar passed away on the 1st July, 1988, aged 61.
(Harry Caspar : Blueseum - Online Carlton Football Club ...
BALLARAT'S fast, open, smooth game, functioning around their winning centre and a more coordinated attack, should give them victory in the first semi-final against East Ballarat at Eastern Oval tomorrow. Geelong West and Maryborough will contest the second semi-final. Ballarat was the early premiership favorite, but injuries so depleted the line-up in the latter stages of the minor round that they were forced to struggle to hold a place in the final four. Ballarat won the last two premierships. East's hopes received a setback last Saturday when the team failed badly against Maryborough and lost second place.
East's strength lies in the ruck-rover combination of Caspar, Dodd,and Pascoe. Former Carlton ruckman
Harry Caspar "makes the game" for Dodd and Pascoe,the best pair of little men in the league.
The Mahoney family history gives little early genealogy for the Caspar family. Is it possible that Harry's move to the East Ballarat Club was influenced by family connections as well as the club's coach being a former Carlton player? Did the first Caspar come out to try the Ballarat diggings? Was Frank Caspar,our William Tell, the saw-miller (after whom the Swiss-like landscape between Bacchus Marsh and Gisborne was called CASPAR COUNTRY) his son? Is it possible that Harry's mother and father became acquainted through Frank Caspar and Cornelius Mahoney who is mentioned in the same article? "Goodman's creek was opened in May of that year by Mr. Cornelius Mahoney, J.P., who is still living in Bacchus Marsh, in his 84th year. We often want him to give us his recollections of early days, but have not succeeded very well. He has the first balance sheet of the old Road Board(of which he was a member) and we should like to have that framed in the Shire hall."
(IN CASPAR'S COUNTRY.
The Bacchus Marsh Express (Vic. : 1866 - 1918) Saturday 4 March 1905 p 3 Article)
Unfortunately there is not enough Caspar genealogical information to link Harry's father with the families of Frank Caspar or William Louis Caspar who died in Ballarat in 1950.
CASPAR_On August 3, at Ballarat, William Louis Caspar, beloved husband of Alice, and loving father of Lillian (Jean, Mrs. Kemp). Frederick. Nellie (Mrs. McGregor), Robert, and Myrtle. (P.16, Argus, 4-8-1950.)
Harry Caspar's ancestor, Thaddeus Mahoney, from Killarney, was transported for picking pockets in 1833 at the age of 13. Cornelius Mahoney was also from Killarney and came out with his parents in 1837. Thaddeus had been transported to Sydney and after serving his sentence,moved to Melbourne in about 1944. Here's Cornelius Mahoney's obituary.
DEATH OF MR CORNELIUS MAHONEY, JP
One of the widest known personalities, and the oldest resident, of the district, in Mr Cornelius Mahoney, J.P., died at his residence, Bacchus Marsh, on Tuesday night, in his 94th year. Although of such advanced age, Mr. Mahoney had only been laid up during the last few months. Mr.,Mahoney was born at Killarney, County Kerry, Ireland, 31st March, 1821, and landed at Hobart, Tasmania with his parents,from the immigrant ship "Bussorah
Merchant," of London, Louis William Moncrief, Master, on 11th December, 1837. In 1838, after a stay in Tasmania, the family, consisting of his father, mother, himself (then 16 years old), and a younger brother,
came to Melbourne arriving on 22nd May; where his father and himself went into the building trade, and
carried it on successfully until 1844 when they went to Bacchus Marsh, and purchased the present homestead.
of 200 acres, lots 10 and 11, between the rivers Lerderderg and Werribee, and where his father died 9th January, 1887, aged 92 years.
Mr Mahoney was a member of the old Road Board, a Justice of the Peace, and was for several years Chairman and Correspondent of the School Board of Advice in the district. He was for 16 years a member of the Bacchus Marsh Troop of Prince of Wales Light Horse, during which time he rose to the rank of Captain.
Mr. Mahoney was always imbued with the spirit of adventure, and in 1849 he left his home for the Californian goldfields, and spent 2? years there, but not meeting with much success he returned to Bacchus Marsh, and has remained there ever since. Mr. Mahoney was the first to discover gold on the Goodman's Creek, at Cockatoo Gully, in 1854. He had many bushranging tales to relate.
Mr. Mahoney was married in Melbourne in 1849 to Miss Mary Hogan, a native of Tipperary, who came to the colony with her parents in 1841, by the immigrant ship "Agricola." Mrs. Mahoney survives her husband, and although 84 years of age, is wonderfully keen of intellect. There is also a grown-up family of sons and daughters; and a number of grandchildren. One of the latter (Mr. Clem. McFarlane) it is interesting to note at the present time,
is an Officer in the Australian Navy, being a Torpedo Instructor on board the cruiser Melbourne.The funeral took place on Thursday, and was largely attended. (P.3,The Bacchus Marsh Express, 22-8-1914.)
Thaddeus Mahoney married Jane Stafford. Fred Stafford was therefore related in some way to Harry Caspar. Like Harry,he played for Northcote before moving to Carlton (where he kicked the winning goal in the 1947 premiership win). There he would have played with Harry, as he probably also did in 1954.(*He did!)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Date of birth 3 August 1926
Date of death 10 July 2009 (aged 82)
Original team Northcote (VFA)
Debut Round 1, 1947, Carlton v. Melbourne
Height/Weight 173 cm, 74 kg
Years Club Games (Goals)
1947-1952 Carlton 102 (68)
1 Playing statistics correct to end of 1952 season.
Carlton Premiers 1947
Fred Stafford (3 August 1926 ? 10 July 2009) is a former Australian rules footballer in the Victorian Football League (VFL).
He kicked the winning goal in the dying seconds of the 1947 VFL Grand Final.
*Finishing second on the list in the Peninsula League, Mornington (coached by ex-local half-back Gordon Williams) failed by three goals against Seaford (led by Conley, ex Carlton) last Saturday. Mornington meets Sorrento tomorrow in the final. Caspar and Stafford (Carlton), Ollie (St. Kilda) and Ron Wilson
(Coburg) play with Sorrento. Alby Morrison (Footscray) played earlier in the season with Sorrento, although probably in his middle forties. (P.1, Williamstown Chronicle,17-9-1954.)
Sorrento won the premiership in 1954.
Between 1948 and 1954, Morrison served as captain-coach of Sorrento, finally retiring, aged forty-five, after the club's victorious 1954 grand final. Meanwhile, at the MCG on the very same afternoon, Footscray broke through for its first ever VFL pennant by downing Melbourne. - See more at: http://australianfootball.com/players/player/Alby%2BMorrison/4800#sthash.d2kh7rJF.dpuf
I wonder if my post on the Sorrento F.C. timeline will shed some light on the Caspar family,several members of which are life members of the club.
A BIT OF SORRENTO F.C. HISTORY. Why do you think Harry Caspar and Fred Stafford both played at Northcote, Carlton and Sorrento? The answer relates to Thaddeus Mahoney who was transported at the age of 13 in 1833. And what's that got to do with Albert Coleman whose brother kicked 23 goals against Sorrento? Is the photo of Alby Morrison and some of his Sorrento players that appeared in the newspaper article (1954?) hanging in the clubrooms?
ALBERT LUDLOW NASE, A COURSING LEGEND. A large proportion of the time spent on my chronology of burials involves finding whether people who died at Dromana were actually buried there, especially when the death notice was in The Age because funeral notices were practically never on the same page and the page on which family notices were continued was rarely indicated. This bloke was actually buried at Flinders.
NASE.— On June 11, at Dromana Hospital. Albert Ludlow, beloved husband of Catherine and loving father of Phil, Jack, Ruby, Bert, Allie, Kit and Mab, aged 80 years, In God's care.(P.2, The Age, 13-6-1949.)
NASE.-The Funeral of the late Mr.ALBERT LUDLOW NASE will leave St. John's Church of England, Flinders, THIS DAY, after a service commencing at 2.30 p.m.. for the Flinders Cemetery.(P.8, The Age, 13-6-1949.)
Passing of Albert Nase
Sporting Globe (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954) Wednesday 15 June 1949 p 18 Article
OBITUARY MR H(sic). L. NASE
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Tuesday 14 June 1949 p 10 Article
ALBERT LUDLOW NASE WAS SO-NAMED IN HIS BIRTH, MARRIAGE, AND DEATH RECORDS.
EventMarriage Event registration number134 Registration year1895
Family nameNASE Given namesAlbt Ludlow SexMale Spouse's family nameFAWCETT Spouse's given namesKate
From the HISTORY OF FLINDERS-CRIB POINT Facebook page.
Kim Barker. Nase is the name for the people that had a property in Flinders not far from the ST JOHN'S CHURCH . is this the same family ?
ME. It would appear so. Their place was called "Wilga" and Mabs (Mabel?) married Frederick Wallace Jarman of "Devonia" near Stony Creek Rd (Melway 190 parts 6,7 E-F.). Andrew's first name may have started with N with Andrew being his most used given name but Mabel's death record gives his first name as Albert, as do Albert's death and birth records.
EventDeath Event registration number27684 Registration year1973
Family nameJARMAN Given namesMabel Jane SexFemale Father's nameNASE Albert Ludlow Mother's nameCatherine Elizabeth (Fawcett) Place of birthBallarat Place of deathMornington Age65
The Wilga Estate was a mile from Flinders on the way to Cape Schanck, so near the C777 symbol in Melway 261 E9.
BY PUBLIC AUCTION ,FOR A TERM OF THREE YEARS
Portions of "Wilga" Estate, Flinders,
ACCOUNT MR. A. L. NASE,
To be Offered At Tanti Sale Yards, Mornlngton, MONDAY, 26th MARCH, at about 3 p.m. ,
IN LOTS OF-
58 Acres, .known; as "Pinnacle" paddock,
108 Acres, known. as "Grange" paddock.
71 Acres, known as "Clark's paddock.
66 Acres, known as "Triangle" paddock.
ALEX. SCOTT & CO: PTY. LTD. have received instructions from Mr.A. L. Nase, to offer as above, portions of his property, "'Wilga" Estate, which fronts the main Flinders-Cape Schanck Road, 1 mile from Flinders. etc. (P.5, Standard, Frankston, 15-3-1945.)
The only one of these properties that can be identified with any certainty is the Triangle paddock of 65 acres 1 rood 4 perches bounded by Punchbowl, Razorback and Boneo Rds at Melway 261 B10.
Albert was a Creswick Shire councillor as was C.Fawcett. Albert was shire president on at least one occasion.
With Albert's Wilga estate being on various crown allotments, no residence being on the four detailed above, and so close to Flinders Township, it is almost certain that his residence was in the Flinders Township itself. Thanks to Kim Barker of the HISTORY OF FLINDERS-CRIB POINT group for pointing out that "Wilga" was 28 King St, Flinders.
Information from a google search for this address.
"Wilga" c 1883
Originally a rural homestead, "Wilga" boasts a distinctive facade and the wonderful characteristics of its era with sensitive modifications to compliment today's family life.
The interior features ornate period detailing, chandeliers, high ceilings, wide arched hallway, formal sitting room with OFP, hydronic heating, 4 spacious bedrooms, ensuite with claw foot bath, family bathroom with double shower, country kitchen with casual dining and separate games room.
Traditional verandahs surround the house and a north facing sun deck. Delightfully private gardens of 7077sqm (1.7 acres) approx with a tennis court and swimming pool.
SEE ATTACHED PHOTO OF "WILGA".
Andrew was a life member of the Flinders Golf Club. He may have played on the course from its formation circa 1902, during summer holidays, but moved permanently to Flinders in 1928.
At a farewell social at Ullina Mr. A. L.Nase was presented with a hall clock, pedestal, and vase.Mrs. Nase and the Misses Nase also received presents. Mr. Nase and family are leaving to live at Flinders.
COUNTRY NEWS. BALLARAT AND DISTRICT.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 3 August 1928 p 16 Article
However Albert had quite some tradition to uphold and seems to have returned to Creswick for shire council meetings.
EVIDENTLY FAMILY AFFAIRS.
Cr. Nase is in the Creswick Shire Council, where his father sat for 25 years, and where his grandfather sat
three quarters of a century ago. (P.39, The Northern Herald, Cairns, 21-11-1928.)
Alex. Haldan's name appears just once,on page 132, in Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, as one of the signatories in 1861 supporting Robert Quinan's bid for his private school to be chosen ahead of Daniel Nicholson's to become the Dromana Common School.
Silly me! I thought that Alex was the husband of Frances Holden whose store was near the Carrigg St corner. However, later investigation showed that the husband of Frances (who almost reached her 102nd birthday) was James Holden,a completely different person.
The death of Mrs Frances Holden,probably the Peninsula's only centenarian, occurred at her residence at Dromana on Monday. Had she lived until October, Mrs Holden would have reached the age of 102 years. With her husband, she settled in Dromana 82 years ago and had lived there ever since. She came from Sussex, England, when a young
girl. In her younger days she took an active part in movements for the advancement of the district. A good
horsewoman, she used to join parties that went out hunting kangaroos. Burial took place in the Dromana
cemetery where the remains were interred beside those of her husband who died about 60 years ago. The burial service was read by the Rev.A.F. Falconer. Mr Hector Gamble, of Frankston had charge of the
funeral arrangements. (P.1, Frankston and Somerville Standard, 25-8-1934.)
RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Fiona Harris Ancestors
HALDAN, Alexander b: CA 1818 in Ayr, Scotland d: 14 NOV 1876 in Dromana, Victoria
Sourced from above website.
HALDAN.-On the 14th inst., at his residence, Dromana, Alexander Haldan, late of Ayrshire, Scotland, aged 58.
Alexander Haldan was born into the Haldan family. He married Henderson Margaret (Balman?) Haldan and had (1???) child together: Andrew Haldan.
(Alexander Haldan - Dromana - AncientFaces.com
www.ancientfaces.com › History › Haldan Family)
POSTSCRIPT. NO WONDER I HADN'T FOUND A MARRIAGE NOTICE. TRYING TO FIND WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO MARGARET'S SUPPOSED PARENTS,I TRIED "HENDERSON,DROMANA". Still no evidence re Margaret's parents. At least we can see where the given name of Andrew (born 1869) came from. Another postscript follows the HENDERSON information below.
HALLADAN(sic)—HENDERSON.—On the 13th inst., by the Rev. I. Hetherington, at the residence of Captain Ruffle, Williamstown, uncle of the bride, Alexander Halladan (sic), Dromana , third son of the Rev. Andrew
Halladan, Ayrshire, Scotland, to Margaret Balmonne Henderson. No cards.(P.4, Argus,15-1-1863.)
HALDAN.—On the 29th ult., at Dromana, the wife of Alexander Haldan of a daughter.(P.4,Argus,1-4-1864.)
David Moffett On Birth Certificate - Historical records and ...
David married Margaret (Balmanne?) WILSON (born HALDAN) on month day 1886, at age 26 at ... Margaret was born on March 29 1864, in Dromana, Melbourne.(Not much more on page.)
WILSON-HALDAN.-On the 16th ult., at the residence of the bride's mother, Belmont-house, Drummond- street, Carlton, by the Rev. John Strang, David Moffat, second son of Thomas Wilson (of Wilson, Corben, and Co.) to Maggie Barbara, eldest daughter of the late Alexander Haldan, of Dromana, and niece of the late Drs. John Campbell and Bernard Haldan, Ayr, Scotland.(P.1, Argus,13-4-1886.)
[HALDAN.-- On the 18th February, at 770 Drummond street, Carlton, Margaret Balmanno,widow of the late Alexander Haldan (formerly of Ayr), aged 65 years. Scotch papers please copy. (P.1,Argus, 23-2-1903.)
Jane Jessie Haldan,Dromana, Australia,In 1866 Father-Alexander Haldan Mother-Henderson Margaret (Balman?) Haldan
(Jane Haldan Birth Records
Name/Birth place/Date/ Father/Mother
Andrew Haldan,Dromana Australia in 1869, Alexander Haldan, Henderson Margaret (Balman?) Haldan
(Andrew Haldan Birth Records
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 27 May 1869 p 4 Family Notices
... ; daughter. HALDAN.—On the 22nd inst, at Dromana, the wife of Alexander Haldan of a son.
THE ELECTORAL REGISTRARS OF VICTORIA. [coming soon]
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Wednesday 28 August 1867 p 7 Article
... - Tucker; Dandenong East, W. Brisbane, Borwick ; Kangoronsr. A. Haldan, postmastor, Dromana ; Snapper Point ...
The Postmaster-General was waited upon on Friday by Mrs.(Alex.)Haldan, accompanied by Mr. Fergusson, M.L.A., the object being to draw his attention to the inconvenience caused to the residents of Dromana by the removal of the post and telegraph office from that place to some distance outside Dromana. Mrs. Haldan represented that her husband had held the office of postmaster in Dromana for many years till the office was removed,and if it were now re-transferred to Dromana she was willing to supply a building for the purpose free of cost to the department. Mr. Cuthbert replied that if it was the wish of the residents generally that the office should be re-transferred,he would take the matter into consideration.
Mr.Gibson, the lessor of the post-office building, afterwards waited upon the Postmaster-General, and represented that he was one of the guarantors to the department in regard to the post-office at Dromana, and he desired that they might not be called upon to pay the deficiency of L.105 in the revenue. In support of his request he quoted several precedents, and Mr. Cuthbert promised to take the matter into consideration. Telegraph.
(South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 5 June 1878 p 2 Article)
FROM CORRECTIONS TO TROVE DIGITISATION.
ROBERT CALDWELL, Esq., J.P. - Sir.- His Excellency the Governor having proclaimed by notice in the Government Gazette the Road District of Kangerong, we, the undersigned landholders and householders, have to request you to convene a meeting of the landholders and householders of the above district to form a Road Board, in
conformity with the 10th Vict., No. 40.
We are, Sir, (only corrected names here)
Alexander Haldan, do.
Peter Pedato, do. , (Pidoto)
Thomas Milne, do.
Richard Watkin, householder.
Thomas Ginley, do.
Abraham Griffith, do.
15th July, 1863.
In conformity with the above requisition, I hereby.....HOUSEHOLDERS, to be held at the Scurfleld Hotel,
Dromana, on 3rd August, at 2 p.m., for the purpose of (etc.)
In LIME LAND LEISURE,C.N.Hollished stated that Alex. was a landholder,which came from the notice to Robert Caldwell. This might give the impression that he had a farm but he probably owned three township blocks,about an acre and a half, on which he would have built the original Carnarvon,the original post office. See my journal,HERITAGE WALK,DROMANA. He had built this by the 1865 assessment when he was rated on one acre and a six roomed house with outbuildings. In fact it would have been constructed before the 3-9-1864 assessment; either the rate collector forgot to assess him or my transcription was faulty. He was an electoral registrar for the general election.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Thursday 14 April 1864 p 6 Article
... . Tucker, Cranbourne ; Dandenong East, W. Brisbane, Berwick ; Kangerong, Alexr. Haldan, postmaster, Dromana
By 1866,he had become a trustee for the Mechanics' Institute
Charles Barnett, Daniel Nicholson, James M'Lean, Alexander Haldan and Robert Caldwell to be trustees of the land set apart on tho 8th of August, 1864, for Mechanics' Institute purposes at Dromana.
JUST A GUESS ABOUT MARGARET HALDAN'S FAMILY. (From my journal,THE SHIRE OF FLINDERS.)
HENDERSON George M. 1875-9
Excerpt from John Cain's memories (included at the start of this journal.)
The Flinders and Kangerong Road Boards amalgamated and constituted the shire of Flinders and Kangerong. In the following August in '75 all the members were disbanded; four candidates were nominated for three in the west riding and he (John Cain) was successful and has never been opposed since. His colleagues were Messrs W. B. Ford and Robert Anderson, the latter held the seat till three years ago (John Barker jun, S. Tuck, and Geo. Henderson centre riding), (David Mairs, Caldwell and Robert Wighton east riding).
FLINDERS AND KANGERONG SHIRE Present:the President (John Barker junr.) Councillors McLear, Cain Anderson, Ford and Henderson. As had been anticipated considerable discussion ensued on the resumption of the question touching the action of councillor Henderson in interfering with the drains whereby his and the adjoining lands were completely submerged. A letter was read from Mr. Peddle, complaining of the damage done to his property through the water being diverted from its proper channel, and the outlet stopped up. Pointing out that the fact of Mr. Henderson being a Councillor rendered him more culpable in violating the law and, that if the Council did not take cognizance of his having done so it could not consistently prosecute for similar offences in future. Mr. Watkin also stated that he had and was still sustaining great injury from the same cause. The President thought that a reprimand would meet the case. Councillor, Anderson however. thought that Mr Henderson being a Councillor his infringement of the Act was more censurable; and, as great injury had been done to a great number of ratepayers, some stronger action should be taken in the matter. It was ultimately decided to reprimand Councillor Henderson, and a resolution to that effect was passed. The Secretary was in- structed to serve the notice requiring the re-opening of the drains in question.
(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 31-7-1878.)
Nelson Ruddick (sic, Rudduck) v. G. M. Henderson ; 10, for money paid at defendant's request. Mr F. Stephen for plaintiff ; Mr Walsh for defendant. This case arose out of a drain being cut through the land of both plaintiff and defendant as recommended by Mr Muntz, the Engineer to the Shire, and to which the respective owners were to contribute, Mr Henderson's share being the amount claimed and which the plaintiff proved Mr Henderson had entrusted the plaintiff to pay for him, but which the defendant afterwards repudiated, as not being correct. After a brief hearing, in which the parties to the suit were examined, his Honor gave a verdict for the amount claimed and 5 10s. costs.(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 16-2-1881.)
In order to make sense of the proximity of Henderson, Peddle, Watkins and Rudduck, the last three suffering from Henderson's drainage issues in the above two articles, some more rate research was needed. My first suspicion was that the incidents involved the Westernport area. However, the first shire rate record of 1875 showed that George Meldrum Henderson, butcher was assessed on 30 acres and a 3 roomed house in Dromana and 60 acres in Dromana . I suspect that the 60 acre property was crown allotment 12, section 1, Kangerong. Consisting of 60 acres 3 roods and 24 perches, this land, granted to Captain Ross,and bounded by Jetty Rd, Palmerston Ave, Mary St and Boundary Rd,became Spencer Jackson's Panoramic Estate. It is hilly and would have a tremendous run-off after heavy rain. It is across Palmerston Avenue from crown allotment 5 of section 1 of section 1. (More about crown allotment 5 later!)
There is no need to guess the location of the 30 acres, which being west of McCulloch St, actually was part of Dromana (Township); section 1 Kangerong was not and the post office was actually in the west corner of Foote St with much protest about it being moved closer to the pier later on.
These three suburban allotments in section E of the township were granted to G.M.Henderson on the dates shown below. C/A 5, 7 acres 3 roods 31 perches, granted 16-5-1876.
C/A 6, 8 acres 2 roods, granted 16-5-1876. The three roomed house was probably on one of these blocks.
C/A 7, 15 acres 2 roods 37 perches, granted 20-2-1883.
This gives a total of 31 acres and 28 perches but if the roods and perches were ignored, the total would be 30 acres. This land was bounded at the south end by Seawind Lane, Pindara Rd and McLear Rd (Melway 159 F12)and extended north to the present Arthurs Seat State Park.
By 1877, George was assessed on 114 acres Kangerong, a description used until 1884 when George was assessed on 137 acres Kangerong and 80 acres and buildings Wannaeue. The same property was assessed in 1885 but in 1886 George was only assessed on the 80 acres, this time described as being in Kangerong. I believe this land was in Wannaeue (across Pindara Rd from the 30 acres) but with such lack of certainty in the rate records, it would be a five week job to determine its location.
George Henderson was not the first or last to get rid of his flood by donating it to a neighbour. Back Road Bob Cairns did the same thing to Robert Henry Adams near the corner of Hove Rd and Bayview Rd (Hobson's Flat Rd)in about 1906, with William Hobley being wrongly blamed, Robert Anderson of Barragunda taking the side of Cairns and being ridiculed about his attempts to get back on council, and Robert Adams threatening Robert Cairns and his son with a shovel when they took a short cut. (Google "Hobson's Flat Road".)
As mentioned before, the future Panoramic Estate was across Palmerston Ave from Crown allotment 5, section 1, Kangerong. Consisting of 36 acres and 25 perches, it was granted to a speculator who obviously subdivided it. James Holden and John McLear had one acre blocks east and west of Carrigg St and Peter Pidota and Richard Watkins had 17 acres each. Watkins had built a 12 roomed house (yes, that's what the helpful rate collector called the Dromana Hotel!) by about 1862. Crown allotment 5 was bounded by the Esplanade (beach road), the Carrigg St/Kangerong Ave midline, Palmerston Ave and the Solander/Marna St midline. Lou Carrigg bought the Pidota 17 acre portion and the 34 acres became Spencer Jackson's Foreshore Estate in 1927.
Henry Pedder was a hotel keeper, so referring to the letter read to council, I had to assume he was running the Dromana Hotel for Watkins. But that's not what the rate records show. Newspaper articles refer to the Peddles at the Bay View and then the Royal Hotel at Hastings. Henry was assessed on 139 acres, Bittern in 1875 but by 1880, this had become 115 acres. Henry was granted 115 acres, being crown allotment 83A, Bittern on 24-3-1882. This had a 1268 metre frontage to Frankston-Flinders Rd and its queer eastern boundary can be seen faintly traced in Melway 164 H 2 and 3; the left half of Melway 164 H4 was part of 83A.
This was the most northerly part of the parish of Bittern east of Hendersons Rd and was in the Flinders and Kangerong Shire. Just across the Warringine Creek was Hastings (in the parish of Tyabb and Shire of Mornington of which Councillor Peddle was elected President in August 1879.)
Henry Peddle was only ever assessed in the east riding of the Shire of Flinders and Kangerong, never in the Centre Riding of which Dromana was a part. Therefore, I presume the letter read to council was written by Mr Pidota, a man much discussed in local histories but seemingly never in newspapers (perhaps because they never got his name right!) This would explain why Mr Watkin (sic) was also affected.
George Meldrum Henderson's last assessment was in 1886.
DROMANA. During the recent thunder storm a valuable cow belonging to Mr. Henderson,butcher of Dromana was killed by lightning. The animal was grazing in a small paddock on the side of Arthur's seat at the time the accident occurred. There is no doubt of death having been caused by the electric fluid ; the symptoms being unmistakeable.(P.3,South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 13-2-1878.)
Oh, Peter Pidota exists after all! The township boundary has just been mentioned in this entry.
A matter of considerable importance to a number of ratepayers of Flinders and Kangerong Shire came before the Council at the meeting on Saturday last. Mr. R. Watkins alleged that Councillor Henderson had made an opening from drain on public land so as to divert the water on to his own land thereby swamping his own land , submerging his neighbours' land, greatly to their detriment. Captain Pidoto also spoke of the serious damage done to his property by the action of Councillor Henderson. What action the Council mean to take is not yet known, but it would appear by the 400th section part 16 Local Government Act, that the Councillor's liable to make good the drain so diverted. and to a penalty not exceeding 20.... A petition was presented by Councillor McLear; praying that the boundary of the present township of Dromana might be so extended as to include the jetty and other places of business. The petition was signed by a number of owners of land in the township, and also by nearly all the owners of land sought to be incorporated. Notice of motion was given for the consideration of the matter at the next meeting of the Council.
(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 3-7-1878.)
THIS DAY Kirk's Bazaar
To Racing Men, Shippers for India, and Others
M'CULLOCH, CAMPBELL, and Co have received instructions from Mr Geo M Henderson, Dromana, to SELL by AUCTION, on Thursday, May 29, at twelve o'clock,The thoroughbred race mare Miss Jane by L L ,
by Touchstone out of Sunbeam, by The Hermit (imp ) She is half sister to the noted horse Flinders and Lady Somerville.(P. 2, Argus, 29-5-1879.)
Lady Somerville and Lord Somerville were owned by Alf Jones of the Almond Bush Stud at Somerville. He and Hodgins were two of the three Canadians who supplied wood to the "Liverpool" anchored well offshore in Canadian Bay.
Was this George's father?
HENDERSON -On the 1st inst., at Dromana, Victoria,
James Henderson formerly of Kirkcaldy, Scotland, aged 78 years. Home papers please copy.
(P.1, Argus, 20-1-1875.)
The death occurred here on Tuesday of Mrs Henderson, a very old lady. Deceased had been ailing for a very long time,and was 82 years of age. She leaves behind a grown-up family, one of her sons living at present near Rosebud. The funeral took place at the Dromana cemetery, Mr Welling, the local Presbyterian minister, con- ducting the burial service.((P.2, Mornington Standard, 21-1-1905.)
The son was probably Lawrence Henderson who had 105 acres, 31CD, Wannaeue in 1900.This was granted to Dromana pioneer, John Townsend, and bounded by Hove Rd, Rosebud Pde, Waterfall Gully Rd and Bayview/Old Cape Schanck Rd.
DEATH. HENDERSON. - On 17th inst., at Dromana, Juliana Elizabeth Henderson, in her 83rd year. Relict of the late James Henderson, C.E., Glasgow. (P.2, Bairnsdale Advertiser and Tambo and Omeo Chronicle, 19-1-1905.)
Finally, I wonder if George was related to William Henderson after whom Henderson Rd (southern extension of Somerville's Jones Rd and Tyabb's Boes Rd) was probably named, who later moved to Frankston-Cranborne Rd.
HENDERSON Reginald David 1961-4 ??????
POSTSCRIPT. I tried a google search for HENDERSON,DROMANA CEMETERY. Gemma would be a feminine version of James so I presume that Gemma Wiseman would be descended from blacksmith,James Wiseman, one of Red Hill's earliest pioneers. Gemma's website has a photo of William Henderson's gravestone and she has written the following comment.
Challenge of Dromana Cemetery - Gemma's ~~~ "Greyscale ...
May 1, 2012 - Dromana Cemetery is not far from my home on the Mornington ... Was James Henderson's brother the only connection with Dromana? Strange ..
So I console myself with a few zoomed views of nearby graves.
This crumbling grave is right at the entrance gate of the cemetery.
(INSCRIPTION. William Henderson M.I.C.E., born at Glasgow,Scotland,24-1-1854. Entered into rest Wannaeue Victoria 11-12-1898.)
William Henderson was a civil engineer from Glasgow, specialising in designing waterworks.
It was in that capacity he emigrated and became well known in Victoria for his skills.
Excerpt from ICE (Institution of Civil Engineers)
Mr. Henderson’s connection with the Colony of Victoria commenced in the year 1886, when he was engaged in making
reports and estimates for irrigation projects under the instructions
of the Royal Commission on Water-Supply. He was then
appointed executive engineer to the Victorian Water-Supply
Department, in which capacity he designed and superintended the
construction of national irrigation works in the district of
Goulburn. He was also engaged in preparing a report and
estimates for a supply of water for domestic and stock purposes
over about 17,000 square miles in the Mallee District. He retired
from the service of the Victorian Water-Supply Department in
1895, and started to practise on his own account as a hydraulic
Shortly afterwards, he was struck down with paralysis and died at the age of 44 in his brother's home near Dromana.
What I wonder is, where was his private practice? Dromana?
The Mallee district, where James mainly worked, is in the far north of Victoria.
Dromana is in the far south.
Was James Henderson's brother the only connection with Dromana?
Strange to find such a large memorial to a public figure who may not have lived in the area.
NOTE #1: The M.I.C.E. on the grave = Member of the Institute of Civil Engineers
HENDERSON. — On the 11th December, at his brother's residence, Bracken-lodge, Wannaeue,near Dromana, William Henderson, C.E., late of V.W.S. department, eldest son of the late James Henderson, C.E., Glasgow, aged 44 years.(P.22,The Australasian,24-12-1898.)
ALF DOWNWARD, HIS SON-IN-LAW, WILFRED PITT, AND THOSE HISTORIC REDWOOD GUMS AT THE END OF DOWNWARD ST, MORNINGTON.
Wilfred Pitt probably grew up on Tuerong Park, as I’ve just discovered. When Joan Downward told me in 2010 about the bloke that Ivy Downward had married, I had probably not known about the Pitt tenure on Tuerong Park. Excellent articles by Joan about the Downward genealogy and land near Tubbarubba can be found in BALNARRING BYWAYS AND MEMORIES. The following results from Wilfred Pitt’s association with the Mornington Bowling Club which celebrates its centenary in 2017.
Mr. Walker moved a vote of
thanks to Messrs Pitt*, Scott,
Ward and Mills for the work
they had done as committeemen
during their term of office.
(P.14, Standard, 23-9-1948.)
*On the south side of Wilson Rd was a property named Redwood which adjoined a property, granted to A.B.Balcombe, and fronting Strachans Rd named Redgum Flat. Both properties were named because of the ancient river red gums at the end of Downward St. Redwood, granted to T.W.Birmingham and F.Prickman (did I hear somebody laugh?) was bought by Alf Downward. Pitt St was named after Alf Downward's daughter, Ivy. (Source: Joan Downward.)
PITT (nee Ivy Downward).—On the 18th May at Santa Rosa private hospital, to Mr. and Mrs. W. Pitt, Redwood, Mornington—a son (Alfred Downward Leonard—prematurely). (P.1, Argus, 25-5-1947.)
WILFRED PITT WAS FROM DEVON IN ENGLAND. His best man, Arthur Pitt, was probably his brother.
Alf Downward had much property near Tubbarubba, (near the junction of the parishes of Moorooduc,Balnarring and Kangerong) and Ivy possibly met Wilfred during a trip to visit her brother, Herbert, at that locality as there was a Pitt property, Tuerong Park, on Three Chain (Moorooduc) road, by 1906. H.G.Pitt was probably Wilfred's father and would have been Alf's colleague on Mornington council.
Pitt St on the homestead block of "Redwood" was named after Ivy and Downward St was named after her unmarried sister, Elsie May*, who lived in the homestead with Ivy following Wilfred's death.
After the sisters had died, developers wanted to remove the Redwood Gums but a storm of protest saved them. (Cutting provided by Joan Downward and included in my THE FEMALE DROVER: A HISTORY OF MOOROODUC, 2010, provided to the Mornington Historical Society.)
Mr Eddie Bowring. of Red Hill,"biked" it to Melbourne on Tuesday and put up a record, doing the return trip in a little over three hours." (P.2, Mornington Standard, 26-4-1902.)
This article was discovered by chance several years ago and recent exhaustive attempts to locate it again on trove failed dismally, so I've decided to include it in a new journal. Last night while looking for information about the Littlejohn family provided by the late Thelma Littlejohn, I turned to my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF RED HILL journal and there it was, in the BOWRING entry. Eddie's daughter, Florrie, was Thelma's mother.
Eddie had been on his Red Hill Village Settlement block for about a year and his ride to Melbourne had almost certainly been to Mt. Alexander Rd, Essendon, where his father, Edward lived. Eddie could have been excused for neglecting to visit his parents because his work clearing the huge eucalypts from his Prossors Lane block would have been exhausting and he'd found the love of his life on the settlement. Mr Harvey, who became his father in law in 1903, was building a house on his block.
Imagine what his time would have been if he'd had good roads with a surface such as today's peninsula link. To put his feat into context, I'll provide some information about Point Nepean Road in 1902 from trove. Firstly though, I must point out that from the top of Olivers Hill at Frankston, Old Mornington Rd, Mt Eliza Way and Wooralla Drive was originally part of the road and remained so until the 1970's.
"The pleasure of the run was enhanced by the cycle paths, which enabled the wheelmen to escape some
of the worst parts of the road." This was a motor cycle tour from Brighton to Frankston with a STOP at Mordialloc. (P.18, Leader, 13-9-1902.)
ON THE ARTHUR'S SEAT RANGE.
The Mornington peninsular (sic) has furnished many
interestlng trips to the Wheelmen of the metropolis,
and the following one, submitted by an enthusiastic
rider, is a fair sample of the kind of outing to be
obtained in that locality. He adopted the train,
to Frankston, and chose the coast road over the
plateau of Mt. Eliza, but found the road in many
places rather heavy from dust and sand, due to
the prolonged drought. The eight miles to Mor
nington occupied him an hour, but passing by the
township, he kept along the Nepean-road towards
Dromana. He pedalled up the long climb over Mt.
Martha, most of which has an excellent surface,
except on towards the,top, but as the descent be-
gins, the road improves over the steepest portion,
while further below the unmetalled part proved
tiresome and treacherous, owing to dust and ruts.
At a point* 2 1/2 miles before Dromana is reached |
there is an intersection, the Dromana and Sor-
rento road turning off "to the right, but the track
leading straight on runs up to Red Hill, and then
over to the Arthur Seat range of mountains.
There is a very long rise to be negotiated ere Red
Hill is gained, but except for the first half mile,
there is a good roadway. At the end of two miles
a turn was made to the right, and passing the
local post-office the tourist wheeled over hilly
(at the south end of Sheehans Rd he turned right to Higgens Corner near the Red Hill Consolidated School site, whereas Eddie would have turned left.) P.24, The Australian, 29-3-1902.
AN INVESTIGATION OF WHEN MAIN CREEK NEAR DROMANA, BECAME MAIN RIDGE, AND THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE DITTERICH FAMILY IN ITS METHODIST CHURCH.
FROM AN EMAIL.
Hopefully the articles below will help. If there is no mention of the Ditterich family in connection with the Main Ridge Methodist Church (none found on trove either), they might have been quiet "behind the scenes" adherents or had a Metho/Pressy mix like the McIlroys.
From my journal:
THE SHIRE OF FLINDERS, MORNINGTON PENINSULA ...
DITTERICH Arthur Ralph 1961-4
Extract from my journal, PIONEER PATHWAY, DROMANA.
WEDDING AT MAIN CREEK. Weddings are as a general rule interesting subjects, either to write or talk about, and the one at Main Creek on the 5th inst., was no exception to the rule. On that date, Miss Christiania Shand, (youngest daughter of Alexander and Charlotte Shand) of Main creek, was united in wedlock to Richard, (youngest son of Richard and Eliza Ditterich of Canterbury. The ceremony took place at noon, and was performed by the Rev R. Brown, of South Melbourne, assisted by the Rev E. Smith of Dromana. The marriage took place in a very picturesque part of the garden, underneath an arch of evergreens, nicely interwoven with flowers. The bride who was given away by her father, was most becomingly dressed in a cream fancy cashmere, trimmed with lace, white tulle veil, and wreath of orange blossoms. Mr J. Shand acted as best man, principal bridesmaid, Miss Ditterich dressed in white dress and blue sash. Miss A.Gunson in white dress and blue sash ; Miss A. Crichton white dress and pink ribbons ; Miss E. Barker, white dress and cream sash. At one o'clock about 50 guests sat down to the wedding breakfast. The tables fairly groaning beneath the weight of good things, which were provided. After the usual toasts had been proposed and responded to, and the Revs Brown and Smith had each made a short speech, the party adjourned to the lawn where the bride and bridegroom had their photographs taken by Mr Wright, of Flinders. Shortly after this the carriage was announced, which was to convey the newly wedded pair and a few of the friends to the railway station, and amid a shower of good wishes and rice the party drove off for Mornington. They will shortly proceed to St Arnaud, in which circuit Mr Ditterich is engaged. During the afternoon games were freely indulged in by the guests. The party breaking up shortly before 6 p.m., owing to the inclemency of the weather. Everybody thoroughly enjoying themselves. (P.3, Mornington Standard, 14-4-1892.)
They or their descendants obviously came back to Main Ridge. The Main Ridge Cricket Club, whose President, Jason Albress, is a descendant of a Rye pioneer, plays on the A.R. and F.Ditterich Reserve. Arthur Ralph Ditterich was a Flinders Shire councillor 1961-4. The Shand family was probably related to the Downward family of Mornington, Tubbarubba and Kangerong; Downward Shand 1915-17 and John Shand 1902-7 and 1916-23 were also councillors of the shire.
Bill Huntley told me that all the Shands had moved to Gippsland by 1920 and the Ditterich family may have taken over their property. The Shands may have had property near Warragul while still at Main Ridge; there was a Cr Ditterich in the Warragul Shire in the 1880's.
The Ditterich family was at Main Ridge by 1926 where F.Ditterich dominated with bat and ball for Main Ridge in their victory over Ray Cairns' Boneo, scoring 71 of 154 and taking 5 for 85 with the assistance of R.Ditterich who took 3 for 46.(P.18, Argus, 24-11-1926.) I now know why the Ditterich family returned to Main Creek and that the two cricketers were Frank and Ralph. You will remember that Rev. Richard Ditterich married Christiana Shand. Richard's preaching had taken him to Launceston where he died on 9-9-1928, dearly beloved husband of Christiana and loving father of Ralph, Frank, Howard and Keith*.(P.1, Argus, 10-9-1928.)
*P.S. Eric Keith Ditterich could possibly have been related to the Main ridge mob. David Ditterich of Dromana, might know.
1979 Birthday Honours - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Keith Owen Shipley, OBE, lately Special Adviser to the Chief Minister, Gilbert Islands. ..... The Reverend Eric Keith Ditterich, of Glen Iris, For service to the Uniting ...
Bill Huntley told me that John Shand had done a lot of surveying in Gippsland. That would explain how Alexander Jnr came to marry a Gippsland gal and one of his sisters married a Gippsland lad, Rev. Ditterich.
METHODIST CHURCH REV. DITTERICH FAREWELLED.
Daily Telegraph (Launceston, Tas. : 1883 - 1928) Friday 16 April 1926 p 5 Article
... METHODIST CHURCH REV. D1TTERICH PAREWELLED. MELBOURNE, Thursday. — Rev. R. Ditterich, chief ... take charge of the lead ing Methodist church in Launceston Tasmania, was farewelled at an! afternoon ... 118 words
DEATH OF THE REV. DR. DITTERICH. PROMINENT METHODIST CHURCHMAN. Launceston, September 9.
The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1931) Monday 10 September 1928 p 19 Article
... DEATH OF THE REV. DR. DITTERICH. PROMINENT METHODISTCHURCHMAN. Launceston, September 9. The death ... the Methodist Church in the Victorian and Tasmanian conference. when he accepted an Invitation to come ... 174 words
It would seem that Main Creek became Main Ridge in local vernacular by 1926 but it is not proven that the name change was official*. Was it in 1927 that the cricket club changed its name?
* POSTSCRIPT. THE FOLLOWING SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT THE NAME CHANGE OF MAIN CREEK TO MAIN RIDGE HAD BEEN MADE OFFICIAL BY THE START OF 1925.
Mrs. Eden White, who was successful In her tender for carrying the mail, from Main Ridge to Red Hill,
has started her duties. Mr. M. Dalcom, of Main Ridge, was the former carrier.--"Post."
(RED HILL. Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Wednesday 21 January 1925 p 1 Article.)
Knowing that post office information was sometimes the ONLY historical information about places on Wikipedia, I tried the MAIN RIDGE page but while it mentioned the name change,there was apparently never a post office. There does not appear to be a wikipedia entry for Main Ridge under its former name but the search uncovered an indication of how the place name applied to anyone living along the length of the creek from Bullocky Bob White near Whites Rd to the Tucks near Flinders.
Elizabeth Tuck 1847 - 1917 Main Creek, Victoria, Australia
WikiTree - Free Wiki Family Tree · login | register. no image ... Born March 7, 1847 in Main Creek, Victoria, Australia map. Daughter of Henry Tuck and Catherine ...
ROBERTS, MAIN CREEK/RIDGE.
FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENTS. DROMANA.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 19 September 1895 p 2 Article
... , of Main Creek, another old resident, joined the great majority last Tuesday week. Deceased had been ... was interred in the DromanaCemetery. A large number of people attended the funeral. Mr. C. Roberts
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 6 February 1926 p 20 Article
John Edward Roberts, aged 52 years, of Main
Ridge, Red Hill, near Dromana, orchadist, was
granted a decree nisi for the dissolution of his
marriage with Louisa Roberts, of Heidelberg road, Clifton Hill, on the ground of desertion.
DITTERICH, MAIN CREEK/ RIDGE.
WEDDING AT MAIN CREEK.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 14 April 1892 p 3 Article
... WEDDING AT MAIN CREEK. Weddings are as a general rule interesting subjects, either to write or talk ... about, and the one at MainCreek on the 5th inst., was no exception to the rule. On that date, Miss ...335 words
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In Memoriam. MRS. CHARLOTTE SHAND.
Spectator and Methodist Chronicle (Melbourne, Vic. : 1914 - 1918)Wednesday 25 July 1917 p 793 Article
... , of Main Creek, Dromana, entered into rest ori June 2nd, in her ninetieth year. Born in Tiverton ... , while 'her' youngest daughter is the. wife of the Rev. R. Ditterich. One other daughter -
COUNTRY CRICKET CONFERENCE.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Thursday 10 December 1925 p 7 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides
... , Greaves 15, Beck IS; Radford six for II, Ditterlch two for 21) defeatedMain Creek 131 (F. Ditterich 01, R ... . Ditterich 10; Maine three for S3, Cleino two for 1, Hansford two for 31).
SHAND, MAIN CREEK /MAIN RIDGE.
In Memoriam. MRS. CHARLOTTE SHAND.
Spectator and Methodist Chronicle (Melbourne, Vic. : 1914 - 1918)Wednesday 25 July 1917 p 793 Article
... , of Main Creek, Dromana, entered into rest ori June 2nd, in her ninetieth year. Born in Tiverton ... In Memoriam. MRS. CHARLOTTESHAND. . ' . ) Charlotte^ Sliand, wido w of the late Alexander Shand ... 332 words
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Friday 23 April 1897 p 3 Article
... of I. Roberts E.q. Main Creek, Dromana Mrs Shand, Dromina 1 Mrsafohn D. CaUnea,.Bomaeo.. 2 Homie ... 3499 words
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 11 November 1939 p 4 Family Notices
... Alexander and Charlotte Shand, of Main Ridge. Dromana, dearly beloved uncle of Anne Milne, in his 81st yeur ... Interred Williams-town Cemetery ) WADSWORTH-On the 9th November nt Stawell Rowland Henry of Main street ... 6801 words
If John Batman could read the following he'd do more than turn in his grave. I don't know whether the claims for land in New Zealand, referred to below,were actually approved,but there seems to have been a huge inconsistency in the responses to his purchase of land north and west of Port Phillip Bay and similar purchases from Maoris in New Zealand.
Only one claim is detailed below. If it was approved and Andrew Murchison McCrae was Andrew McCrae, one of the partners named, there would probably be no historic McCRAE HOMESTEAD and Dromana West might have been renamed as Wannaeue. The following was found in a fruitless** search for Major Fraser of the Kangerong Estate*, mentioned by Richard Howitt in a report of his walk to Westernport in 1842/3. I have seen no reference to the occupant of the Arthur's Seat Run before Andrew McCrae and suspected that Major Fraser was that man. (**However, another reading of that article shows that " From Brighton to Major Fraser's squatting station is eight or nine miles." My misreading of the following passage had led me to Andrew McCrae's land claim in New Zealand.)
*There were a great number of squatters' stations all around Melbourne at this period. Those lying between Melbourne and Westernport at which Howitt called or to which he made reference, included Major Fraser's, the Kangerong Estate,Willoughby's cattle station, Rutherford and Blackmore's, Manton's, Merrick's***, Allen's, Barker's, and Captain Reid's-the latter at the foot of Mount Martha. (*** Maurice Meyrick's Boniyong)
(EARLY VICTORIA. RICHARD HOWITT'S IMPRESSIONS. AN INTERESTING OLD BOOK.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 25 December 1909 p 6 Article)
I now suspect that the Kangerong Estate was Jamieson's Special Survey. Willoughby's Cattle Station may have been the Arthurs Seat Run.
(p.s. Willoughby and Thompson bought the Cape Schanck run from Robert Jamieson and Thompson sold it to the Barkers. P. 25 A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. The Barkers bought Boniyong at about the same time and no indication is given by the article about which run was occupied by the Barkers during Howitt's visit. So I did a WILLOUGHBY, ARTHURS SEAT search on trove. Eureka! The following does not prove that Willougby had the Arthurs Seat Run before Andrew took up the lease circa 1843. I suspect that the following had taken place: Willoughby had become insolvent and his partnership with Thompson had been dissolved. Thompson himself may have become the shepherd at Barrabung and Andrew,busy with the construction of the homestead until Georgiana's arrival on 9-6-1845, probably allowed Willoughby to act as his manager or to graze his own cattle on the run.)
CHILD STOLEN BY THE BLACKS.-Intelligence reached town a few days since that a fine little child, son of Mr
Willoughby, of Arthur's Seat, was stolen by the blacks under the following circumstances : etc.
Geelong Advertiser and Squatters' Advocate (Vic. : 1845 - 1847) Wednesday 6 May 1846 p 2 Article
I bet Andrew McCrae and partners paid a lot less for their 1.28 million acres in New Zealand than the 5280 pounds that Jamieson paid for his special survey! They certainly did!
CLAIMS TO LAND IN NEW ZEALAND. (Continued.)
The Sydney Herald (NSW : 1831 - 1842) Saturday 17 April 1841 p 4 Article
167. H. E. Michel, of Yass, John Johnson,M.D., of Kororarika, D. P. Okeden, of Maneroo,Andrew McCrae, of Melbourne, T. Chirmside,of Coodradigbee River, John Virtue, of London, James Wynen, of New Zealand, and Captain Guard, of New Zealand. 1,280,000 acres, being all that tract of land situated at the Pelorus River, embracing about forty miles of the sea coast, by fifty miles inland, and including Admiralty Bay and Queen Charlotte's Sound.(Boundaries not stated.) Purchased in the early part of 1839, from certain native chiefs by Messrs. Guard and Wynen, acting on behalf of themselves and other claimants. Consideration, merchandise to the amount of £500.Nature of conveyance, deed to Messrs. Guard and Wynen.
Antonio Albress was a pioneer of the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria. (See also ALBRESS,BENNETT, McINTYRE etc journal.)
Antonio Albress was a pioneer of the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria, Australia.He was a grantee of 90 acres, whose eastern boundary was over Browns Rd from Springs Lane (which is the western boundary of the Moonah Links Golf Course.) His grant is now part of the locality of Fingal but was not in the parish of Fingal, being crown allotments 37 A1 and 37B of the parish of Wannaeue. (The Wannaeue map is available online.)His name was recorded on the map as Albres, which was probably the original spelling.
(Les Albres is a region in France, which suggests that one of Antonio's ancestors may have been French. As there is no mention of the Cape Verde Islands being under French control, perhaps this Frenchman from Les Albres had been on a ship sunk by Sir Francis Drake who did a bit of hunting in those parts.)
The two grants between Antonio's grant and the 2011 site of the Truemans Rd tip were 37B1 (Nicholas De Mas, probably another Cape Verde Islander) and 38A (Edward Russell.) I will not repeat Albress information posted on Rootsweb by thommo99 and Emily Burkitt and the details about probate.On rootsweb, you will also find details from newspapers accessed on trove. One of these (Mornington and Dromana Standard, 14-8-1909, p.2) states that Antonio came from the Cape Verde Island of Bona Vista. This was the English version of the Portugese Boa Vista (and was used for places in Canada and Brazil.) English presence on the island is indicated by an 1819 book of sailing directions that called the main town "English Road". It was probably this presence and the fact that J.B.Were, who had land near Cape Schanck, acted as the Consul for Portugal that resulted in Cape Verde Islanders such as Emanuel de Santos of Rye and Joe Peters of Rosebud coming to the Peninsula.
Boa Vista has the native name of Bubista, and the nickname, Ihla das Dunas (Island of the Dunes.) It is the third largest of the Cape Verde Islands, is 455 km west of the the Africa mainland's westernmost point, is fairly flat with its highest point being at only 387 metres and has the smallest population of all the inhabited islands. Being fertile at the time Antonio (or his parents) left, the island was fertile and supported much agriculture but now it is called Cape Verde's desert island.Antonio's given name was probably very common on the island, given that one of the three "mountains" and Ponta (point)Antonio on its north coast bear the Saint's name.