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Alex. Haldan's name appears just once,on page 132, in Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, as one of the signatories in 1861 supporting Robert Quinan's bid for his private school to be chosen ahead of Daniel Nicholson's to become the Dromana Common School.
Silly me! I thought that Alex was the husband of Frances Holden whose store was near the Carrigg St corner. However, later investigation showed that the husband of Frances (who almost reached her 102nd birthday) was James Holden,a completely different person.
The death of Mrs Frances Holden,probably the Peninsula's only centenarian, occurred at her residence at Dromana on Monday. Had she lived until October, Mrs Holden would have reached the age of 102 years. With her husband, she settled in Dromana 82 years ago and had lived there ever since. She came from Sussex, England, when a young
girl. In her younger days she took an active part in movements for the advancement of the district. A good
horsewoman, she used to join parties that went out hunting kangaroos. Burial took place in the Dromana
cemetery where the remains were interred beside those of her husband who died about 60 years ago. The burial service was read by the Rev.A.F. Falconer. Mr Hector Gamble, of Frankston had charge of the
funeral arrangements. (P.1, Frankston and Somerville Standard, 25-8-1934.)
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HALDAN, Alexander b: CA 1818 in Ayr, Scotland d: 14 NOV 1876 in Dromana, Victoria
Sourced from above website.
HALDAN.-On the 14th inst., at his residence, Dromana, Alexander Haldan, late of Ayrshire, Scotland, aged 58.
Alexander Haldan was born into the Haldan family. He married Henderson Margaret (Balman?) Haldan and had (1???) child together: Andrew Haldan.
(Alexander Haldan - Dromana - AncientFaces.com
www.ancientfaces.com › History › Haldan Family)
POSTSCRIPT. NO WONDER I HADN'T FOUND A MARRIAGE NOTICE. TRYING TO FIND WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO MARGARET'S SUPPOSED PARENTS,I TRIED "HENDERSON,DROMANA". Still no evidence re Margaret's parents. At least we can see where the given name of Andrew (born 1869) came from. Another postscript follows the HENDERSON information below.
HALLADAN(sic)—HENDERSON.—On the 13th inst., by the Rev. I. Hetherington, at the residence of Captain Ruffle, Williamstown, uncle of the bride, Alexander Halladan (sic), Dromana , third son of the Rev. Andrew
Halladan, Ayrshire, Scotland, to Margaret Balmonne Henderson. No cards.(P.4, Argus,15-1-1863.)
HALDAN.—On the 29th ult., at Dromana, the wife of Alexander Haldan of a daughter.(P.4,Argus,1-4-1864.)
David Moffett On Birth Certificate - Historical records and ...
David married Margaret (Balmanne?) WILSON (born HALDAN) on month day 1886, at age 26 at ... Margaret was born on March 29 1864, in Dromana, Melbourne.(Not much more on page.)
WILSON-HALDAN.-On the 16th ult., at the residence of the bride's mother, Belmont-house, Drummond- street, Carlton, by the Rev. John Strang, David Moffat, second son of Thomas Wilson (of Wilson, Corben, and Co.) to Maggie Barbara, eldest daughter of the late Alexander Haldan, of Dromana, and niece of the late Drs. John Campbell and Bernard Haldan, Ayr, Scotland.(P.1, Argus,13-4-1886.)
[HALDAN.-- On the 18th February, at 770 Drummond street, Carlton, Margaret Balmanno,widow of the late Alexander Haldan (formerly of Ayr), aged 65 years. Scotch papers please copy. (P.1,Argus, 23-2-1903.)
Jane Jessie Haldan,Dromana, Australia,In 1866 Father-Alexander Haldan Mother-Henderson Margaret (Balman?) Haldan
(Jane Haldan Birth Records
Name/Birth place/Date/ Father/Mother
Andrew Haldan,Dromana Australia in 1869, Alexander Haldan, Henderson Margaret (Balman?) Haldan
(Andrew Haldan Birth Records
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 27 May 1869 p 4 Family Notices
... ; daughter. HALDAN.—On the 22nd inst, at Dromana, the wife of Alexander Haldan of a son.
THE ELECTORAL REGISTRARS OF VICTORIA. [coming soon]
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Wednesday 28 August 1867 p 7 Article
... - Tucker; Dandenong East, W. Brisbane, Borwick ; Kangoronsr. A. Haldan, postmastor, Dromana ; Snapper Point ...
The Postmaster-General was waited upon on Friday by Mrs.(Alex.)Haldan, accompanied by Mr. Fergusson, M.L.A., the object being to draw his attention to the inconvenience caused to the residents of Dromana by the removal of the post and telegraph office from that place to some distance outside Dromana. Mrs. Haldan represented that her husband had held the office of postmaster in Dromana for many years till the office was removed,and if it were now re-transferred to Dromana she was willing to supply a building for the purpose free of cost to the department. Mr. Cuthbert replied that if it was the wish of the residents generally that the office should be re-transferred,he would take the matter into consideration.
Mr.Gibson, the lessor of the post-office building, afterwards waited upon the Postmaster-General, and represented that he was one of the guarantors to the department in regard to the post-office at Dromana, and he desired that they might not be called upon to pay the deficiency of L.105 in the revenue. In support of his request he quoted several precedents, and Mr. Cuthbert promised to take the matter into consideration. Telegraph.
(South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 5 June 1878 p 2 Article)
FROM CORRECTIONS TO TROVE DIGITISATION.
ROBERT CALDWELL, Esq., J.P. - Sir.- His Excellency the Governor having proclaimed by notice in the Government Gazette the Road District of Kangerong, we, the undersigned landholders and householders, have to request you to convene a meeting of the landholders and householders of the above district to form a Road Board, in
conformity with the 10th Vict., No. 40.
We are, Sir, (only corrected names here)
Alexander Haldan, do.
Peter Pedato, do. , (Pidoto)
Thomas Milne, do.
Richard Watkin, householder.
Thomas Ginley, do.
Abraham Griffith, do.
15th July, 1863.
In conformity with the above requisition, I hereby.....HOUSEHOLDERS, to be held at the Scurfleld Hotel,
Dromana, on 3rd August, at 2 p.m., for the purpose of (etc.)
In LIME LAND LEISURE,C.N.Hollished stated that Alex. was a landholder,which came from the notice to Robert Caldwell. This might give the impression that he had a farm but he probably owned three township blocks,about an acre and a half, on which he would have built the original Carnarvon,the original post office. See my journal,HERITAGE WALK,DROMANA. He had built this by the 1865 assessment when he was rated on one acre and a six roomed house with outbuildings. In fact it would have been constructed before the 3-9-1864 assessment; either the rate collector forgot to assess him or my transcription was faulty. He was an electoral registrar for the general election.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Thursday 14 April 1864 p 6 Article
... . Tucker, Cranbourne ; Dandenong East, W. Brisbane, Berwick ; Kangerong, Alexr. Haldan, postmaster, Dromana
By 1866,he had become a trustee for the Mechanics' Institute
Charles Barnett, Daniel Nicholson, James M'Lean, Alexander Haldan and Robert Caldwell to be trustees of the land set apart on tho 8th of August, 1864, for Mechanics' Institute purposes at Dromana.
JUST A GUESS ABOUT MARGARET HALDAN'S FAMILY. (From my journal,THE SHIRE OF FLINDERS.)
HENDERSON George M. 1875-9
Excerpt from John Cain's memories (included at the start of this journal.)
The Flinders and Kangerong Road Boards amalgamated and constituted the shire of Flinders and Kangerong. In the following August in '75 all the members were disbanded; four candidates were nominated for three in the west riding and he (John Cain) was successful and has never been opposed since. His colleagues were Messrs W. B. Ford and Robert Anderson, the latter held the seat till three years ago (John Barker jun, S. Tuck, and Geo. Henderson centre riding), (David Mairs, Caldwell and Robert Wighton east riding).
FLINDERS AND KANGERONG SHIRE Present:the President (John Barker junr.) Councillors McLear, Cain Anderson, Ford and Henderson. As had been anticipated considerable discussion ensued on the resumption of the question touching the action of councillor Henderson in interfering with the drains whereby his and the adjoining lands were completely submerged. A letter was read from Mr. Peddle, complaining of the damage done to his property through the water being diverted from its proper channel, and the outlet stopped up. Pointing out that the fact of Mr. Henderson being a Councillor rendered him more culpable in violating the law and, that if the Council did not take cognizance of his having done so it could not consistently prosecute for similar offences in future. Mr. Watkin also stated that he had and was still sustaining great injury from the same cause. The President thought that a reprimand would meet the case. Councillor, Anderson however. thought that Mr Henderson being a Councillor his infringement of the Act was more censurable; and, as great injury had been done to a great number of ratepayers, some stronger action should be taken in the matter. It was ultimately decided to reprimand Councillor Henderson, and a resolution to that effect was passed. The Secretary was in- structed to serve the notice requiring the re-opening of the drains in question.
(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 31-7-1878.)
Nelson Ruddick (sic, Rudduck) v. G. M. Henderson ; 10, for money paid at defendant's request. Mr F. Stephen for plaintiff ; Mr Walsh for defendant. This case arose out of a drain being cut through the land of both plaintiff and defendant as recommended by Mr Muntz, the Engineer to the Shire, and to which the respective owners were to contribute, Mr Henderson's share being the amount claimed and which the plaintiff proved Mr Henderson had entrusted the plaintiff to pay for him, but which the defendant afterwards repudiated, as not being correct. After a brief hearing, in which the parties to the suit were examined, his Honor gave a verdict for the amount claimed and 5 10s. costs.(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 16-2-1881.)
In order to make sense of the proximity of Henderson, Peddle, Watkins and Rudduck, the last three suffering from Henderson's drainage issues in the above two articles, some more rate research was needed. My first suspicion was that the incidents involved the Westernport area. However, the first shire rate record of 1875 showed that George Meldrum Henderson, butcher was assessed on 30 acres and a 3 roomed house in Dromana and 60 acres in Dromana . I suspect that the 60 acre property was crown allotment 12, section 1, Kangerong. Consisting of 60 acres 3 roods and 24 perches, this land, granted to Captain Ross,and bounded by Jetty Rd, Palmerston Ave, Mary St and Boundary Rd,became Spencer Jackson's Panoramic Estate. It is hilly and would have a tremendous run-off after heavy rain. It is across Palmerston Avenue from crown allotment 5 of section 1 of section 1. (More about crown allotment 5 later!)
There is no need to guess the location of the 30 acres, which being west of McCulloch St, actually was part of Dromana (Township); section 1 Kangerong was not and the post office was actually in the west corner of Foote St with much protest about it being moved closer to the pier later on.
These three suburban allotments in section E of the township were granted to G.M.Henderson on the dates shown below. C/A 5, 7 acres 3 roods 31 perches, granted 16-5-1876.
C/A 6, 8 acres 2 roods, granted 16-5-1876. The three roomed house was probably on one of these blocks.
C/A 7, 15 acres 2 roods 37 perches, granted 20-2-1883.
This gives a total of 31 acres and 28 perches but if the roods and perches were ignored, the total would be 30 acres. This land was bounded at the south end by Seawind Lane, Pindara Rd and McLear Rd (Melway 159 F12)and extended north to the present Arthurs Seat State Park.
By 1877, George was assessed on 114 acres Kangerong, a description used until 1884 when George was assessed on 137 acres Kangerong and 80 acres and buildings Wannaeue. The same property was assessed in 1885 but in 1886 George was only assessed on the 80 acres, this time described as being in Kangerong. I believe this land was in Wannaeue (across Pindara Rd from the 30 acres) but with such lack of certainty in the rate records, it would be a five week job to determine its location.
George Henderson was not the first or last to get rid of his flood by donating it to a neighbour. Back Road Bob Cairns did the same thing to Robert Henry Adams near the corner of Hove Rd and Bayview Rd (Hobson's Flat Rd)in about 1906, with William Hobley being wrongly blamed, Robert Anderson of Barragunda taking the side of Cairns and being ridiculed about his attempts to get back on council, and Robert Adams threatening Robert Cairns and his son with a shovel when they took a short cut. (Google "Hobson's Flat Road".)
As mentioned before, the future Panoramic Estate was across Palmerston Ave from Crown allotment 5, section 1, Kangerong. Consisting of 36 acres and 25 perches, it was granted to a speculator who obviously subdivided it. James Holden and John McLear had one acre blocks east and west of Carrigg St and Peter Pidota and Richard Watkins had 17 acres each. Watkins had built a 12 roomed house (yes, that's what the helpful rate collector called the Dromana Hotel!) by about 1862. Crown allotment 5 was bounded by the Esplanade (beach road), the Carrigg St/Kangerong Ave midline, Palmerston Ave and the Solander/Marna St midline. Lou Carrigg bought the Pidota 17 acre portion and the 34 acres became Spencer Jackson's Foreshore Estate in 1927.
Henry Pedder was a hotel keeper, so referring to the letter read to council, I had to assume he was running the Dromana Hotel for Watkins. But that's not what the rate records show. Newspaper articles refer to the Peddles at the Bay View and then the Royal Hotel at Hastings. Henry was assessed on 139 acres, Bittern in 1875 but by 1880, this had become 115 acres. Henry was granted 115 acres, being crown allotment 83A, Bittern on 24-3-1882. This had a 1268 metre frontage to Frankston-Flinders Rd and its queer eastern boundary can be seen faintly traced in Melway 164 H 2 and 3; the left half of Melway 164 H4 was part of 83A.
This was the most northerly part of the parish of Bittern east of Hendersons Rd and was in the Flinders and Kangerong Shire. Just across the Warringine Creek was Hastings (in the parish of Tyabb and Shire of Mornington of which Councillor Peddle was elected President in August 1879.)
Henry Peddle was only ever assessed in the east riding of the Shire of Flinders and Kangerong, never in the Centre Riding of which Dromana was a part. Therefore, I presume the letter read to council was written by Mr Pidota, a man much discussed in local histories but seemingly never in newspapers (perhaps because they never got his name right!) This would explain why Mr Watkin (sic) was also affected.
George Meldrum Henderson's last assessment was in 1886.
DROMANA. During the recent thunder storm a valuable cow belonging to Mr. Henderson,butcher of Dromana was killed by lightning. The animal was grazing in a small paddock on the side of Arthur's seat at the time the accident occurred. There is no doubt of death having been caused by the electric fluid ; the symptoms being unmistakeable.(P.3,South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 13-2-1878.)
Oh, Peter Pidota exists after all! The township boundary has just been mentioned in this entry.
A matter of considerable importance to a number of ratepayers of Flinders and Kangerong Shire came before the Council at the meeting on Saturday last. Mr. R. Watkins alleged that Councillor Henderson had made an opening from drain on public land so as to divert the water on to his own land thereby swamping his own land , submerging his neighbours' land, greatly to their detriment. Captain Pidoto also spoke of the serious damage done to his property by the action of Councillor Henderson. What action the Council mean to take is not yet known, but it would appear by the 400th section part 16 Local Government Act, that the Councillor's liable to make good the drain so diverted. and to a penalty not exceeding 20.... A petition was presented by Councillor McLear; praying that the boundary of the present township of Dromana might be so extended as to include the jetty and other places of business. The petition was signed by a number of owners of land in the township, and also by nearly all the owners of land sought to be incorporated. Notice of motion was given for the consideration of the matter at the next meeting of the Council.
(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 3-7-1878.)
THIS DAY Kirk's Bazaar
To Racing Men, Shippers for India, and Others
M'CULLOCH, CAMPBELL, and Co have received instructions from Mr Geo M Henderson, Dromana, to SELL by AUCTION, on Thursday, May 29, at twelve o'clock,The thoroughbred race mare Miss Jane by L L ,
by Touchstone out of Sunbeam, by The Hermit (imp ) She is half sister to the noted horse Flinders and Lady Somerville.(P. 2, Argus, 29-5-1879.)
Lady Somerville and Lord Somerville were owned by Alf Jones of the Almond Bush Stud at Somerville. He and Hodgins were two of the three Canadians who supplied wood to the "Liverpool" anchored well offshore in Canadian Bay.
Was this George's father?
HENDERSON -On the 1st inst., at Dromana, Victoria,
James Henderson formerly of Kirkcaldy, Scotland, aged 78 years. Home papers please copy.
(P.1, Argus, 20-1-1875.)
The death occurred here on Tuesday of Mrs Henderson, a very old lady. Deceased had been ailing for a very long time,and was 82 years of age. She leaves behind a grown-up family, one of her sons living at present near Rosebud. The funeral took place at the Dromana cemetery, Mr Welling, the local Presbyterian minister, con- ducting the burial service.((P.2, Mornington Standard, 21-1-1905.)
The son was probably Lawrence Henderson who had 105 acres, 31CD, Wannaeue in 1900.This was granted to Dromana pioneer, John Townsend, and bounded by Hove Rd, Rosebud Pde, Waterfall Gully Rd and Bayview/Old Cape Schanck Rd.
DEATH. HENDERSON. - On 17th inst., at Dromana, Juliana Elizabeth Henderson, in her 83rd year. Relict of the late James Henderson, C.E., Glasgow. (P.2, Bairnsdale Advertiser and Tambo and Omeo Chronicle, 19-1-1905.)
Finally, I wonder if George was related to William Henderson after whom Henderson Rd (southern extension of Somerville's Jones Rd and Tyabb's Boes Rd) was probably named, who later moved to Frankston-Cranborne Rd.
HENDERSON Reginald David 1961-4 ??????
POSTSCRIPT. I tried a google search for HENDERSON,DROMANA CEMETERY. Gemma would be a feminine version of James so I presume that Gemma Wiseman would be descended from blacksmith,James Wiseman, one of Red Hill's earliest pioneers. Gemma's website has a photo of William Henderson's gravestone and she has written the following comment.
Challenge of Dromana Cemetery - Gemma's ~~~ "Greyscale ...
May 1, 2012 - Dromana Cemetery is not far from my home on the Mornington ... Was James Henderson's brother the only connection with Dromana? Strange ..
So I console myself with a few zoomed views of nearby graves.
This crumbling grave is right at the entrance gate of the cemetery.
(INSCRIPTION. William Henderson M.I.C.E., born at Glasgow,Scotland,24-1-1854. Entered into rest Wannaeue Victoria 11-12-1898.)
William Henderson was a civil engineer from Glasgow, specialising in designing waterworks.
It was in that capacity he emigrated and became well known in Victoria for his skills.
Excerpt from ICE (Institution of Civil Engineers)
Mr. Henderson’s connection with the Colony of Victoria commenced in the year 1886, when he was engaged in making
reports and estimates for irrigation projects under the instructions
of the Royal Commission on Water-Supply. He was then
appointed executive engineer to the Victorian Water-Supply
Department, in which capacity he designed and superintended the
construction of national irrigation works in the district of
Goulburn. He was also engaged in preparing a report and
estimates for a supply of water for domestic and stock purposes
over about 17,000 square miles in the Mallee District. He retired
from the service of the Victorian Water-Supply Department in
1895, and started to practise on his own account as a hydraulic
Shortly afterwards, he was struck down with paralysis and died at the age of 44 in his brother's home near Dromana.
What I wonder is, where was his private practice? Dromana?
The Mallee district, where James mainly worked, is in the far north of Victoria.
Dromana is in the far south.
Was James Henderson's brother the only connection with Dromana?
Strange to find such a large memorial to a public figure who may not have lived in the area.
NOTE #1: The M.I.C.E. on the grave = Member of the Institute of Civil Engineers
HENDERSON. — On the 11th December, at his brother's residence, Bracken-lodge, Wannaeue,near Dromana, William Henderson, C.E., late of V.W.S. department, eldest son of the late James Henderson, C.E., Glasgow, aged 44 years.(P.22,The Australasian,24-12-1898.)
ALF DOWNWARD, HIS SON-IN-LAW, WILFRED PITT, AND THOSE HISTORIC REDWOOD GUMS AT THE END OF DOWNWARD ST, MORNINGTON.
Wilfred Pitt probably grew up on Tuerong Park, as I’ve just discovered. When Joan Downward told me in 2010 about the bloke that Ivy Downward had married, I had probably not known about the Pitt tenure on Tuerong Park. Excellent articles by Joan about the Downward genealogy and land near Tubbarubba can be found in BALNARRING BYWAYS AND MEMORIES. The following results from Wilfred Pitt’s association with the Mornington Bowling Club which celebrates its centenary in 2017.
Mr. Walker moved a vote of
thanks to Messrs Pitt*, Scott,
Ward and Mills for the work
they had done as committeemen
during their term of office.
(P.14, Standard, 23-9-1948.)
*On the south side of Wilson Rd was a property named Redwood which adjoined a property, granted to A.B.Balcombe, and fronting Strachans Rd named Redgum Flat. Both properties were named because of the ancient river red gums at the end of Downward St. Redwood, granted to T.W.Birmingham and F.Prickman (did I hear somebody laugh?) was bought by Alf Downward. Pitt St was named after Alf Downward's daughter, Ivy. (Source: Joan Downward.)
PITT (nee Ivy Downward).—On the 18th May at Santa Rosa private hospital, to Mr. and Mrs. W. Pitt, Redwood, Mornington—a son (Alfred Downward Leonard—prematurely). (P.1, Argus, 25-5-1947.)
WILFRED PITT WAS FROM DEVON IN ENGLAND. His best man, Arthur Pitt, was probably his brother.
Alf Downward had much property near Tubbarubba, (near the junction of the parishes of Moorooduc,Balnarring and Kangerong) and Ivy possibly met Wilfred during a trip to visit her brother, Herbert, at that locality as there was a Pitt property, Tuerong Park, on Three Chain (Moorooduc) road, by 1906. H.G.Pitt was probably Wilfred's father and would have been Alf's colleague on Mornington council.
Pitt St on the homestead block of "Redwood" was named after Ivy and Downward St was named after her unmarried sister, Elsie May*, who lived in the homestead with Ivy following Wilfred's death.
After the sisters had died, developers wanted to remove the Redwood Gums but a storm of protest saved them. (Cutting provided by Joan Downward and included in my THE FEMALE DROVER: A HISTORY OF MOOROODUC, 2010, provided to the Mornington Historical Society.)
Mr Eddie Bowring. of Red Hill,"biked" it to Melbourne on Tuesday and put up a record, doing the return trip in a little over three hours." (P.2, Mornington Standard, 26-4-1902.)
This article was discovered by chance several years ago and recent exhaustive attempts to locate it again on trove failed dismally, so I've decided to include it in a new journal. Last night while looking for information about the Littlejohn family provided by the late Thelma Littlejohn, I turned to my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF RED HILL journal and there it was, in the BOWRING entry. Eddie's daughter, Florrie, was Thelma's mother.
Eddie had been on his Red Hill Village Settlement block for about a year and his ride to Melbourne had almost certainly been to Mt. Alexander Rd, Essendon, where his father, Edward lived. Eddie could have been excused for neglecting to visit his parents because his work clearing the huge eucalypts from his Prossors Lane block would have been exhausting and he'd found the love of his life on the settlement. Mr Harvey, who became his father in law in 1903, was building a house on his block.
Imagine what his time would have been if he'd had good roads with a surface such as today's peninsula link. To put his feat into context, I'll provide some information about Point Nepean Road in 1902 from trove. Firstly though, I must point out that from the top of Olivers Hill at Frankston, Old Mornington Rd, Mt Eliza Way and Wooralla Drive was originally part of the road and remained so until the 1970's.
"The pleasure of the run was enhanced by the cycle paths, which enabled the wheelmen to escape some
of the worst parts of the road." This was a motor cycle tour from Brighton to Frankston with a STOP at Mordialloc. (P.18, Leader, 13-9-1902.)
ON THE ARTHUR'S SEAT RANGE.
The Mornington peninsular (sic) has furnished many
interestlng trips to the Wheelmen of the metropolis,
and the following one, submitted by an enthusiastic
rider, is a fair sample of the kind of outing to be
obtained in that locality. He adopted the train,
to Frankston, and chose the coast road over the
plateau of Mt. Eliza, but found the road in many
places rather heavy from dust and sand, due to
the prolonged drought. The eight miles to Mor
nington occupied him an hour, but passing by the
township, he kept along the Nepean-road towards
Dromana. He pedalled up the long climb over Mt.
Martha, most of which has an excellent surface,
except on towards the,top, but as the descent be-
gins, the road improves over the steepest portion,
while further below the unmetalled part proved
tiresome and treacherous, owing to dust and ruts.
At a point* 2 1/2 miles before Dromana is reached |
there is an intersection, the Dromana and Sor-
rento road turning off "to the right, but the track
leading straight on runs up to Red Hill, and then
over to the Arthur Seat range of mountains.
There is a very long rise to be negotiated ere Red
Hill is gained, but except for the first half mile,
there is a good roadway. At the end of two miles
a turn was made to the right, and passing the
local post-office the tourist wheeled over hilly
(at the south end of Sheehans Rd he turned right to Higgens Corner near the Red Hill Consolidated School site, whereas Eddie would have turned left.) P.24, The Australian, 29-3-1902.
AN INVESTIGATION OF WHEN MAIN CREEK NEAR DROMANA, BECAME MAIN RIDGE, AND THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE DITTERICH FAMILY IN ITS METHODIST CHURCH.
FROM AN EMAIL.
Hopefully the articles below will help. If there is no mention of the Ditterich family in connection with the Main Ridge Methodist Church (none found on trove either), they might have been quiet "behind the scenes" adherents or had a Metho/Pressy mix like the McIlroys.
From my journal:
THE SHIRE OF FLINDERS, MORNINGTON PENINSULA ...
DITTERICH Arthur Ralph 1961-4
Extract from my journal, PIONEER PATHWAY, DROMANA.
WEDDING AT MAIN CREEK. Weddings are as a general rule interesting subjects, either to write or talk about, and the one at Main Creek on the 5th inst., was no exception to the rule. On that date, Miss Christiania Shand, (youngest daughter of Alexander and Charlotte Shand) of Main creek, was united in wedlock to Richard, (youngest son of Richard and Eliza Ditterich of Canterbury. The ceremony took place at noon, and was performed by the Rev R. Brown, of South Melbourne, assisted by the Rev E. Smith of Dromana. The marriage took place in a very picturesque part of the garden, underneath an arch of evergreens, nicely interwoven with flowers. The bride who was given away by her father, was most becomingly dressed in a cream fancy cashmere, trimmed with lace, white tulle veil, and wreath of orange blossoms. Mr J. Shand acted as best man, principal bridesmaid, Miss Ditterich dressed in white dress and blue sash. Miss A.Gunson in white dress and blue sash ; Miss A. Crichton white dress and pink ribbons ; Miss E. Barker, white dress and cream sash. At one o'clock about 50 guests sat down to the wedding breakfast. The tables fairly groaning beneath the weight of good things, which were provided. After the usual toasts had been proposed and responded to, and the Revs Brown and Smith had each made a short speech, the party adjourned to the lawn where the bride and bridegroom had their photographs taken by Mr Wright, of Flinders. Shortly after this the carriage was announced, which was to convey the newly wedded pair and a few of the friends to the railway station, and amid a shower of good wishes and rice the party drove off for Mornington. They will shortly proceed to St Arnaud, in which circuit Mr Ditterich is engaged. During the afternoon games were freely indulged in by the guests. The party breaking up shortly before 6 p.m., owing to the inclemency of the weather. Everybody thoroughly enjoying themselves. (P.3, Mornington Standard, 14-4-1892.)
They or their descendants obviously came back to Main Ridge. The Main Ridge Cricket Club, whose President, Jason Albress, is a descendant of a Rye pioneer, plays on the A.R. and F.Ditterich Reserve. Arthur Ralph Ditterich was a Flinders Shire councillor 1961-4. The Shand family was probably related to the Downward family of Mornington, Tubbarubba and Kangerong; Downward Shand 1915-17 and John Shand 1902-7 and 1916-23 were also councillors of the shire.
Bill Huntley told me that all the Shands had moved to Gippsland by 1920 and the Ditterich family may have taken over their property. The Shands may have had property near Warragul while still at Main Ridge; there was a Cr Ditterich in the Warragul Shire in the 1880's.
The Ditterich family was at Main Ridge by 1926 where F.Ditterich dominated with bat and ball for Main Ridge in their victory over Ray Cairns' Boneo, scoring 71 of 154 and taking 5 for 85 with the assistance of R.Ditterich who took 3 for 46.(P.18, Argus, 24-11-1926.) I now know why the Ditterich family returned to Main Creek and that the two cricketers were Frank and Ralph. You will remember that Rev. Richard Ditterich married Christiana Shand. Richard's preaching had taken him to Launceston where he died on 9-9-1928, dearly beloved husband of Christiana and loving father of Ralph, Frank, Howard and Keith*.(P.1, Argus, 10-9-1928.)
*P.S. Eric Keith Ditterich could possibly have been related to the Main ridge mob. David Ditterich of Dromana, might know.
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Keith Owen Shipley, OBE, lately Special Adviser to the Chief Minister, Gilbert Islands. ..... The Reverend Eric Keith Ditterich, of Glen Iris, For service to the Uniting ...
Bill Huntley told me that John Shand had done a lot of surveying in Gippsland. That would explain how Alexander Jnr came to marry a Gippsland gal and one of his sisters married a Gippsland lad, Rev. Ditterich.
METHODIST CHURCH REV. DITTERICH FAREWELLED.
Daily Telegraph (Launceston, Tas. : 1883 - 1928) Friday 16 April 1926 p 5 Article
... METHODIST CHURCH REV. D1TTERICH PAREWELLED. MELBOURNE, Thursday. — Rev. R. Ditterich, chief ... take charge of the lead ing Methodist church in Launceston Tasmania, was farewelled at an! afternoon ... 118 words
DEATH OF THE REV. DR. DITTERICH. PROMINENT METHODIST CHURCHMAN. Launceston, September 9.
The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1931) Monday 10 September 1928 p 19 Article
... DEATH OF THE REV. DR. DITTERICH. PROMINENT METHODISTCHURCHMAN. Launceston, September 9. The death ... the Methodist Church in the Victorian and Tasmanian conference. when he accepted an Invitation to come ... 174 words
It would seem that Main Creek became Main Ridge in local vernacular by 1926 but it is not proven that the name change was official*. Was it in 1927 that the cricket club changed its name?
* POSTSCRIPT. THE FOLLOWING SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT THE NAME CHANGE OF MAIN CREEK TO MAIN RIDGE HAD BEEN MADE OFFICIAL BY THE START OF 1925.
Mrs. Eden White, who was successful In her tender for carrying the mail, from Main Ridge to Red Hill,
has started her duties. Mr. M. Dalcom, of Main Ridge, was the former carrier.--"Post."
(RED HILL. Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Wednesday 21 January 1925 p 1 Article.)
Knowing that post office information was sometimes the ONLY historical information about places on Wikipedia, I tried the MAIN RIDGE page but while it mentioned the name change,there was apparently never a post office. There does not appear to be a wikipedia entry for Main Ridge under its former name but the search uncovered an indication of how the place name applied to anyone living along the length of the creek from Bullocky Bob White near Whites Rd to the Tucks near Flinders.
Elizabeth Tuck 1847 - 1917 Main Creek, Victoria, Australia
WikiTree - Free Wiki Family Tree · login | register. no image ... Born March 7, 1847 in Main Creek, Victoria, Australia map. Daughter of Henry Tuck and Catherine ...
ROBERTS, MAIN CREEK/RIDGE.
FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENTS. DROMANA.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 19 September 1895 p 2 Article
... , of Main Creek, another old resident, joined the great majority last Tuesday week. Deceased had been ... was interred in the DromanaCemetery. A large number of people attended the funeral. Mr. C. Roberts
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 6 February 1926 p 20 Article
John Edward Roberts, aged 52 years, of Main
Ridge, Red Hill, near Dromana, orchadist, was
granted a decree nisi for the dissolution of his
marriage with Louisa Roberts, of Heidelberg road, Clifton Hill, on the ground of desertion.
DITTERICH, MAIN CREEK/ RIDGE.
WEDDING AT MAIN CREEK.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 14 April 1892 p 3 Article
... WEDDING AT MAIN CREEK. Weddings are as a general rule interesting subjects, either to write or talk ... about, and the one at MainCreek on the 5th inst., was no exception to the rule. On that date, Miss ...335 words
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In Memoriam. MRS. CHARLOTTE SHAND.
Spectator and Methodist Chronicle (Melbourne, Vic. : 1914 - 1918)Wednesday 25 July 1917 p 793 Article
... , of Main Creek, Dromana, entered into rest ori June 2nd, in her ninetieth year. Born in Tiverton ... , while 'her' youngest daughter is the. wife of the Rev. R. Ditterich. One other daughter -
COUNTRY CRICKET CONFERENCE.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Thursday 10 December 1925 p 7 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides
... , Greaves 15, Beck IS; Radford six for II, Ditterlch two for 21) defeatedMain Creek 131 (F. Ditterich 01, R ... . Ditterich 10; Maine three for S3, Cleino two for 1, Hansford two for 31).
SHAND, MAIN CREEK /MAIN RIDGE.
In Memoriam. MRS. CHARLOTTE SHAND.
Spectator and Methodist Chronicle (Melbourne, Vic. : 1914 - 1918)Wednesday 25 July 1917 p 793 Article
... , of Main Creek, Dromana, entered into rest ori June 2nd, in her ninetieth year. Born in Tiverton ... In Memoriam. MRS. CHARLOTTESHAND. . ' . ) Charlotte^ Sliand, wido w of the late Alexander Shand ... 332 words
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Friday 23 April 1897 p 3 Article
... of I. Roberts E.q. Main Creek, Dromana Mrs Shand, Dromina 1 Mrsafohn D. CaUnea,.Bomaeo.. 2 Homie ... 3499 words
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 11 November 1939 p 4 Family Notices
... Alexander and Charlotte Shand, of Main Ridge. Dromana, dearly beloved uncle of Anne Milne, in his 81st yeur ... Interred Williams-town Cemetery ) WADSWORTH-On the 9th November nt Stawell Rowland Henry of Main street ... 6801 words
If John Batman could read the following he'd do more than turn in his grave. I don't know whether the claims for land in New Zealand, referred to below,were actually approved,but there seems to have been a huge inconsistency in the responses to his purchase of land north and west of Port Phillip Bay and similar purchases from Maoris in New Zealand.
Only one claim is detailed below. If it was approved and Andrew Murchison McCrae was Andrew McCrae, one of the partners named, there would probably be no historic McCRAE HOMESTEAD and Dromana West might have been renamed as Wannaeue. The following was found in a fruitless** search for Major Fraser of the Kangerong Estate*, mentioned by Richard Howitt in a report of his walk to Westernport in 1842/3. I have seen no reference to the occupant of the Arthur's Seat Run before Andrew McCrae and suspected that Major Fraser was that man. (**However, another reading of that article shows that " From Brighton to Major Fraser's squatting station is eight or nine miles." My misreading of the following passage had led me to Andrew McCrae's land claim in New Zealand.)
*There were a great number of squatters' stations all around Melbourne at this period. Those lying between Melbourne and Westernport at which Howitt called or to which he made reference, included Major Fraser's, the Kangerong Estate,Willoughby's cattle station, Rutherford and Blackmore's, Manton's, Merrick's***, Allen's, Barker's, and Captain Reid's-the latter at the foot of Mount Martha. (*** Maurice Meyrick's Boniyong)
(EARLY VICTORIA. RICHARD HOWITT'S IMPRESSIONS. AN INTERESTING OLD BOOK.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 25 December 1909 p 6 Article)
I now suspect that the Kangerong Estate was Jamieson's Special Survey. Willoughby's Cattle Station may have been the Arthurs Seat Run.
(p.s. Willoughby and Thompson bought the Cape Schanck run from Robert Jamieson and Thompson sold it to the Barkers. P. 25 A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. The Barkers bought Boniyong at about the same time and no indication is given by the article about which run was occupied by the Barkers during Howitt's visit. So I did a WILLOUGHBY, ARTHURS SEAT search on trove. Eureka! The following does not prove that Willougby had the Arthurs Seat Run before Andrew took up the lease circa 1843. I suspect that the following had taken place: Willoughby had become insolvent and his partnership with Thompson had been dissolved. Thompson himself may have become the shepherd at Barrabung and Andrew,busy with the construction of the homestead until Georgiana's arrival on 9-6-1845, probably allowed Willoughby to act as his manager or to graze his own cattle on the run.)
CHILD STOLEN BY THE BLACKS.-Intelligence reached town a few days since that a fine little child, son of Mr
Willoughby, of Arthur's Seat, was stolen by the blacks under the following circumstances : etc.
Geelong Advertiser and Squatters' Advocate (Vic. : 1845 - 1847) Wednesday 6 May 1846 p 2 Article
I bet Andrew McCrae and partners paid a lot less for their 1.28 million acres in New Zealand than the 5280 pounds that Jamieson paid for his special survey! They certainly did!
CLAIMS TO LAND IN NEW ZEALAND. (Continued.)
The Sydney Herald (NSW : 1831 - 1842) Saturday 17 April 1841 p 4 Article
167. H. E. Michel, of Yass, John Johnson,M.D., of Kororarika, D. P. Okeden, of Maneroo,Andrew McCrae, of Melbourne, T. Chirmside,of Coodradigbee River, John Virtue, of London, James Wynen, of New Zealand, and Captain Guard, of New Zealand. 1,280,000 acres, being all that tract of land situated at the Pelorus River, embracing about forty miles of the sea coast, by fifty miles inland, and including Admiralty Bay and Queen Charlotte's Sound.(Boundaries not stated.) Purchased in the early part of 1839, from certain native chiefs by Messrs. Guard and Wynen, acting on behalf of themselves and other claimants. Consideration, merchandise to the amount of £500.Nature of conveyance, deed to Messrs. Guard and Wynen.
Antonio Albress was a pioneer of the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria. (See also ALBRESS,BENNETT, McINTYRE etc journal.)
Antonio Albress was a pioneer of the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria, Australia.He was a grantee of 90 acres, whose eastern boundary was over Browns Rd from Springs Lane (which is the western boundary of the Moonah Links Golf Course.) His grant is now part of the locality of Fingal but was not in the parish of Fingal, being crown allotments 37 A1 and 37B of the parish of Wannaeue. (The Wannaeue map is available online.)His name was recorded on the map as Albres, which was probably the original spelling.
(Les Albres is a region in France, which suggests that one of Antonio's ancestors may have been French. As there is no mention of the Cape Verde Islands being under French control, perhaps this Frenchman from Les Albres had been on a ship sunk by Sir Francis Drake who did a bit of hunting in those parts.)
The two grants between Antonio's grant and the 2011 site of the Truemans Rd tip were 37B1 (Nicholas De Mas, probably another Cape Verde Islander) and 38A (Edward Russell.) I will not repeat Albress information posted on Rootsweb by thommo99 and Emily Burkitt and the details about probate.On rootsweb, you will also find details from newspapers accessed on trove. One of these (Mornington and Dromana Standard, 14-8-1909, p.2) states that Antonio came from the Cape Verde Island of Bona Vista. This was the English version of the Portugese Boa Vista (and was used for places in Canada and Brazil.) English presence on the island is indicated by an 1819 book of sailing directions that called the main town "English Road". It was probably this presence and the fact that J.B.Were, who had land near Cape Schanck, acted as the Consul for Portugal that resulted in Cape Verde Islanders such as Emanuel de Santos of Rye and Joe Peters of Rosebud coming to the Peninsula.
Boa Vista has the native name of Bubista, and the nickname, Ihla das Dunas (Island of the Dunes.) It is the third largest of the Cape Verde Islands, is 455 km west of the the Africa mainland's westernmost point, is fairly flat with its highest point being at only 387 metres and has the smallest population of all the inhabited islands. Being fertile at the time Antonio (or his parents) left, the island was fertile and supported much agriculture but now it is called Cape Verde's desert island.Antonio's given name was probably very common on the island, given that one of the three "mountains" and Ponta (point)Antonio on its north coast bear the Saint's name.
LEST WE FORGET.
At dawn outside the Rosebud R.S.L.
I thought of the boys who went through hell.
For King and country they crossed the water.
The grieving parents, siblings, son and daughter.
I recorded every Broady, Tulla, Keilor and Bulla name
But I no longer have them; what a shame!
Major Murphy moved the monuments at the first places two
To the old windmill site and Dalkeith Avenue.
The Lane boys of "Gowrie Park" (where planes rise and dip),
Alf Cock who died on a torpedoed ship,
Send offs where the old Beech Tree had been
During W.W.1 for the lads from Tullamarine.
Jack Hoctor, born in the coach house,who lit the lamp,
Tramped up the hill from Broady Town to the camp
To give Bro mother's cooking and her wishes best;
The lads were released to help the harvest.
Rosebud's Honour Board hangs in the school primary.
Fred Hobley's brother won a medal for extreme bravery.
Leongatha and Rosebud honoured the Hobley boys
Who suffered the mud, gas, pain and ear-splitting noise.
The ceremony was again wonderfully attended and the guest speaker,Chief Petty Officer Natasha McRoe R.A.N., HMAS Cerberus mentioned three lads born in Rosebud who served in W.W.2. Two of them were from the Allen and Waddleton families but it was Frank Ferrier whose name caught my attention. His father William John Ferrier was probably Australia's best known hero in 1905 and after leaving the lighthouse service (this job probably a reward for his heroism at Warrnambool), he moved from Rosebud to Queenscliff and gave the name "Rosebud" to his house in Beach St. Later,his son,Lew, named his fishing boat "Rosebud". See:
AUSTRALIA-WIDE HERO IN 1905: William John Ferrier of Warrnambool, Queenscliff and Rosebud.
At the ceremony there was one thing missing, whose existence most people who attended would not know about. It was the Rosebud Roll of Honour which is proudly displayed outside the office at Rosebud Primary School. It had been hoped that the school captains would carry the honour board at today's ceremony but the task of getting it off the wall was too difficult. However, the school was presented with 30 pages of text about those named on the roll and an explanation of why they constituted a considerable proportion of Rosebud's population at the time of the first world war.
Next year is the 100th anniversary of the Gallipoli landing and much money is being granted to research those who served in that bloodbath. The Dromana Historical Society and R.S.L. have received a grant to commemorate the Dromana lads (photographs of all of whom can be seen in the Dromana Museum.) Unfortunately,those from Rosebud will not be included so I decided to research those named on the Rosebud Roll of Honour.
I am hoping to obtain family lore information (such as Billy Adams'lost foot) and photographs of those named on the Roll (see below) so that a book can be sold next Anzac Day to raise money for Legacy and the school. Please private message me if you can help.
Those who want a sneak peek at the history can google
ROLL OF HONOUR 1914-1918, ROSEBUD, VICTORIA, AUS
ROLL OF HONOUR 1914-1918.(*= SUPREME SACRIFICE.)
ADAMS R.W,; BAKER E.; CAIRNS G.B., C; CARLETON G; CONNOP J.E.; COUPER G.; CORNELL P., JAMES, JOHN; DUNK L.A.; HOBLEY R., G.,J; JAMES E.; McCORMICK K.; McGILLVRAY JAMES*,JOHN, ARCH.,ALF.,ANDREW; PEATEY J.E.*,G.; PERRIN C.R.*; PETERS S.; POTTON S.; RIGG N.,C; WICKHAM G.,W., H.