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Pardon my use of Rosebud West to name the suburb which is now, due to historical stupidity, called Capel Sound. Before the real Capel Sound existed, when Port Phillip was called Nerm by the Boon Wurrung, a stream did flow where the real Capel Sound is now situated, the Yarra River. It joined the Tamar River in what is now Bass Strait and the Tasmanian aborigines probably followed it on their walk to Tassie.
Anybody aware of the deep water anchorage but unaware of the stupid suburb name change would think I was stupid if I referred to a creek running through a deep water anchorage!
"William Wong-Shing was born not far from Kowloon in 1880. As a very young man he became a crewman of a ship which sailed to Sydney and heard about the possibilities offered by this foreign land so he returned to China, married his arranged bride, Ah Yip Chinn, also born in 1880, who lived in a neighbouring village.He returned to Sydney with his bride and worked there for about two years before they travelled overland to settle in Carlton, where William worked at the Victoria Market.
William enjoyed travelling to Sorrento on the steamers and became friendly with Charles Morgan, a businessman there who encouraged William to take a lease on land in a hollow near the Sorrento Football Ground (detailed on a history board just inside the entrance of the David MacFarlan Reserve), which he did in about 1910.
In late 1912, William leased 38 acres, bounded by today's Johnson Avenue, Brendel Street, Eastbourne Road and the creek, from David Cairns (of Eleanora in the hospital grounds)at a rental of five pounds one shilling and eightpence."
So begins the story of how the Boneo Swamp Drain became known as Chinaman's Creek.
The rest of the story can be seen in Bettyanne Foster's STORIES OF ROSEBUD WEST. If you are quick you may still manage to purchase a copy of this excellent book from the Seawinds Community Hub:
Visit us: 11a Allambi Avenue, Capel Sound, 3940.
Phone us: (03)5982 2204
The Wong-Shing name became Wong and many seemingly unrelated members of the family are buried in the Rye Cemetery, if I remember correctly, near the north west corner of the hill.
This journal was prompted by a question on the PIONEERS OF THE MORNINGTON PENINSULA Facebook page which I shared on the HISTORY OF DROMANA TO PORTSEA Facebook page, and supplements the very detailed information in Bettyanne's book.
SUE LEGGETT.-Hi. What is the history of the naming of Chinaman's Creek. Is it to do with the King family from Limestone rd.
Joy Booth, a Cairns descendant, told me that some Wong descendants bought land in Limestone Rd.
Luckily I found my notes from the interview.Freddy King married Nellie Wong. He had a dairy farm in limestone Rd. half a mile west of the Boneo school. Their son Barry* walked behind a horse and was kicked in the head. He died despite two operations having been performed. Dennis Wong married Grace Armstrong** and had a property in Limestone Rd near Fred and Nellie. Teddie Wong married Minnie*** and George Wong married Hazel****.
RECORDS OF THE ABOVE.
Fred King's marriage record is below.
* EventDeath Event registration number9768 Registration year1948
Family nameKING Given namesBarry George SexMale Father's nameKING Frederick George Mother's nameHelen Leslie (Wong) Place of birthMORNINGTON Place of deathCARLTON Age2
** No marriage record found for Dennis Wong or Grace Armstrong. That was because of my rushed note making. Dennis was actually Dennis King as Sue Leggett, who'd asked the original comment pointed out, having read that I hadn't found the marriage record.
Sue Leggett Dennis is Dennis King who married Grace and yes lived on the hill on Limestone rd. Dennis sister is Bev Blakely. I know Bev was born in the little Daub hut still on the property on cnr sandy and limestone rd. Unfortunately a marriage record was still not found.
***EventMarriage Event registration number14466 Registration year1935
Family nameWONG Given namesEdwd SexUnknown Spouse's family nameELLIOTT Spouse's given namesMinnie
****EventMarriage Event registration number7820 Registration year1936
Family nameWONG Given namesGeo SexUnknown Spouse's family nameMAYBREE Spouse's given namesHazel
Bettyanne Foster's STORIES OF ROSEBUD WEST, although it doesn't mention the Kings, has some terrific information about the Wong-Shings such as William leasing the portion of c/a 13 Wannaeue bounded by Brendel St, Johnson Ave, Eastbourne Rd and the creek from 1912, eventually purchasing this land and much later selling this land to MR. JOHNSON who subdivided it as the Beach Gardens Estate.
Bob Parr's Memoirs on page 37 mention that the Wongs (later) owned today's Village Glen and that all Bob's brothers worked for them. On pages 79-80 is information about William Wong Shing regarding his birth in 1880, his arrival as crewman on a ship in Sydney, returning to marry, returning to Sydney for two years, settling in Carlton and working at the Vic. market, travelling to Sorrento on steamers and being persuaded by Charles Morgan to take a lease on land in a hollow near the Sorrento Sports Ground in about 1910. A HISTORY BOARD JUST INSIDE THE ENTRANCE OF DAVID McFARLAN RESERVE, EXPLAINS THE NAMING OF THE RESERVE AND ALSO GIVES DETAIL ABOUT THE MARKET GARDEN.
In late 1912 David Cairns and William agreed on the aforementioned lease of 38 acres at a rental of five pounds one shilling and eightpence a month. David Cairns was an excellent landlord and erected a three bedroom house and stabling. In 1940 Ted and George purchased (the now) 45 acres and in 1944 Ted bought 68 acres on the eastern side of Chinamans Creek BUT ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF EASTBOURNE RD from the Williams family.
In 1967, Ted sold his 68 acres to Charles Coleman but Ted's son, Darren leased part of it until he bought five acres in Fingal, built a home and operated the business from there (at the west end of Limestone Rd as specified by Joy Booth.)
I have only posted a tiny fragment of the information in Bettyanne's book about the family after which Chinamans Creek was named but hopefully I have given an idea of the fantastic detail that is available. There may be some copies still available at the Seawinds Community Hub, next to Eastbourne Primary School.
11a Allambi Avenue, Capel Sound, 3940.
Jeanette Ross Elliott Teddy Wongs sister married Fred King of Limestone rd. Decendants are still living here
Thanks Jeanette Ross Elliott. Marriage record below.
EventMarriage Event registration number9693 Registration year1942
Family nameKING Given namesFredk Geo SexUnknown Spouse's family nameWONG Spouse's given namesHelen Lesley
Faye Burnham I remember Ted Wong. But I also remember Charlie Wong (I don't know if Charlie was his real name) who delivered fruit and veges with a horse and cart in the 1950s Then he sold fresh produce from Cairns Avenue. He was a lovely man.
Jeanette Ross Elliott I think George Wong was Teds father
Faye Burnham. On page 78 of STORIES OF ROSEBUD WEST, it is stated that William Wong had three brothers, (George, Toy) and Sammy Wong but this could be wrong as no detail is given about Toy. George was said to be known as Uncle George to distinguish him from William's son, George, and was well known, making deliveries of fruit and vegetables to local customers from before the second world was until about the mid fifties. Ted was said to have moved into his Cairns Avenue home in 1967 but I believe that this home had been built by a man (who may have had reason to be known by a nickname, such as Uncle George or CHARLIE to prevent confusion) and is the one shown on page 195 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, and in ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD if I remember correctly.
As Ted was only 52 when he retired to the Cairns Avenue home, there was no way his son, Darren, could have been the one that Faye knew as Charlie who was doing deliveries in the 1950's. I believe that William only had two brothers and have bracketed the first two brothers above, the two names possibly describing one man, UNCLE GEORGE, and possibly CHARLIE, who would have been 82 years old when he gave up his deliveries in the mid 50's and sold fresh produce from Cairns Avenue, as stated by Faye.
This could be Charlie's death record, his given names being GEORGE TOY. He would have been born in about 1873, about seven years before William.
EventDeath Event registration number5573 Registration year1961
Family nameWONG Given namesGeorge Toy SexMale Father's nameTOY Unknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthCANTON CHINA Place of deathROSEBUD Age88
His nephew, William's son, George had died in 1947 so from that time there was no need for the bloke doing deliveries for the next eight or so years to have a nickname but customers who had been referring to him as Uncle George (more likely to have been in use among family members) or Charlie, were not going to suddenly start calling him by another name.
WILLIAM'S SON, GEORGE.
WONG SHING.— On May 18 (suddenly),
.at Rosebud, George, beloved husband
of Margaret, son of the late William and
Yip Wong, aged -47 years. At rest. (P.7, The Age, 20-5-1947.)
EventDeath Event registration number18355 Registration year1947
Family nameWONG SHING Given namesGeorge SexMale Father's nameWONG SHING William Mother's nameYip (Ah) Place of birthMELBOURNE NORTH Place of deathROSEBUD Age47
WILLIAM'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number18465 Registration year1946
Family nameWONG SHING Given namesWilliam SexMale Father's nameUNKNOWN Unknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthCANTON CHINA Place of deathROSEBUD Age74*
If this age is correct, William may have been born in 1881 or 1882, not 1880. Therefore his brother, Sam, may have been slightly older than William.
WILLIAM'S OTHER BROTHER, SAM?
EventDeath Event registration number7089 Registration year1947
Family nameWONG Given namesSamuel SexMale Father's nameWONG Unknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthHONG KONG Place of deathPARKVILLE Age67
This Sam Toy would have been born in about the same year as William but at Hong Kong rather than Canton.However Cantonese is the main dialect in Hong Kong so there could be a connection. The death was probably at a hospital.
THIS IS THE ONLY DEATH RECORD FOR SAM WONG ON VICTORIAN BDM. IS THERE ONE FOR SAM WONG-SHING?
No death records for Sam Wong-Shing!
My HERITAGE WALK, DROMANA journal contains much biographical information about the pioneers and it was probably in the ARTHURS SEAT HOTEL entry that I'd found reasonable proof that Catherine Wainwright had become Catherine Allison based on Catherine Allison being the grandmother of a Wainwright lad and that the licensee of the Arthurs Seat hotel was Catherine Wainwright one year (1886?) and Catherine Allison the next year.
Colin McLear mentioned that William Allison had run the Arthurs Seat hotel and that a member of the Allison family had been a coach driver. It was in doing a search for Dorey's Gully that I discovered that the coach driver was David Allison*, not William as falsely impressed into my memory.
* DAVID ALLISON
At the time of writing the HERITAGE WALK journal, I was not aware the Victorian BDM records could be accessed online so I decided to search for Catherine Wainwright's marriage AND FOUND NOTHING! Aware of frequent Victorian BDM typos, I changed the 1880's search to Allison marriages.
EventMarriage Event registration number3011 Registration year1887
Family nameALLISON Given namesWilliam Henry SexMale Spouse's family nameWEINRIGHT Spouse's given namesCath Jane
William was a blacksmith and seems to have returned to that trade after being listed as a licensee one or two times.
Catherine was the widow of Henry Wainwright.
EventDeath Event registration number1184 Registration year1886
Family nameWAINWRIGHT Given namesHoratio Molyneux SexUnknown Father's nameHoratio Molyne Mother's nameJane (Lewis) Place of birth Place of deathDROMANA Age35 Spouse's family nameMARTIN Spouse's given namesCatherine Jane
CATHERINE DIED IN 1920.
ALLISON.—On the 4th April, at Brighton, Cathe-
rine Jane, relict of the late William Harry
Allison, Footscray, loving mother of H. M. Wain-
wright, and Jennie (Mrs. J. Wellenoweth),
aged 65 years.
"With Christ, which is far better."
(Inserted by her loving daughter and son-in-
ALLISON. — On the 4th April, at St. Andrew's
private hospital, Brighton, Catherine Jane,
dearly loved sister of Rosina Tuffs (nee Mar-
tin), and dearly loved aunt of Barley and Jack
Tanner, Belmont avenue, Kew. aged 65. (85?) (The corrector did not know about BDM either!)
For ever with the Lord. (P.13, Argus, 10-4-1920.)
EventDeath Event registration number4565 Registration year1920
Family nameALLISON Given namesCath Jane SexUnknown Father's nameMartin Wm Mother's nameJane (Roberts) Place of birth Place of deathBrton Age65
WILLIAM ALLISON DIED IN 1916. NO DEATH NOTICE FOUND.
ALLISON.—The Friends of the late Mr. WIL-
LIAM HENRY ALLISON, of 3 Herbert street,
Footscray, are respectfully invited to follow
his remains to the place of interment, in the New
Melbourne General Cemetery, Fawkner.
The funeral is appointed to move from his
brother's residence, No. 61 Vine street, Moonee
Ponds, THIS MORNING (Friday, 18th inst.), at
10.30 o'clock. (P.1, Argus, 18-8-1916.)
MRS. ALLISON, Relatives, and Friends of the
late William Henry Allison, 3 Herbert
street, Footscray, desire to THANK the many
friends for visits, letters, and cards of sympathy,
especially his workmates of brassworks*, Gordon
street; also for the extreme kindness received at
the Melbourne Hospital. (P.13, Argus, 16-9-1916.)
*William's background as a blacksmith would have made him a valuable employee.
EventDeath Event registration number11272 Registration year1916
Family nameALLISON Given namesWm Hy SexUnknown Father's nameAllison Jas Drummond Mother's nameElizth (Pentecost*) Place of birth Place of deathMelb E Age55
*N.B. The Pentecosts were very early pioneers of Mornington.
CATHERINE'S BIRTH RECORD.
EventBirth Event registration number4205 Registration year1854
Family nameMARTIN Given namesCatherine Jane SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Joseph Mother's nameJane (Roberts) Place of birthWILL
WE TWO KINGS OF RO-OSE-BUD ARE.
My Lacco/ Durham journals mention that the relationship between the two families was due to Elizabeth Lacco and Emily Durham being sisters, as revealed by a death notice for Elizabeth that was obviously inserted by Emily in 1934. This morning I consulted Victorian BDM of which I knew nothing until recently, and after five hours research I had discovered much more than was in the said journals but all of my findings were lost when I submitted. However I will paste key documents here.
LACCO.—On the 6th August, passed peacefully
away at Rosebud, Elizabeth, wife of the
late Fort Lacco, beloved mother of Mary, John
(deceased), Christie (deceased), Annie, Emily,
Mitchell, Margaret, grandmother of Bobby,
Lucy, Edna, Kenneth, Harold, Alick, George,
and Gwen, great-grandmother of Douglas aged
[?] years, a colonist of 77 years. —At rest.
LACCO.—On the 6th August, passed peace-
fully away, at Rosebud, Elizabeth Lacco, dearly
loved sister of Emily, Ellen, Clara and the
late William King. —Peace, perfect peace.
(Both P.1, Argus, 7-8-1934.)
ELIZABETH'S DEATH RECORD.
This indicates that Elizabeth was aged about 2 when the Kings arrived circa 1857. As it was about 56 years since Elizabeth's father's death, the informant can be excused for getting his given name wrong.
EventDeath Event registration number16170 Registration year1934
Family nameLACCO Given namesElizabeth SexFemale Father's nameKING John Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathDROMANA Age79
ELIZABETH AND EMILY'S FATHER.
EventDeath Event registration number11527 Registration year1878
Family nameKING Given namesWilliam Elijah SexUnknown Father's nameElijah Mother's nameSarah (Unknown) Place of birthLOND Place of death Age48 Spouse's family nameLANE Spouse's given namesElizabeth
Dr. Youl, the city coroner, hold an inquest
on Thursday at Heidelberg concerning the
death of William E. King, a labourer, aged
48 years, who died from injuries received
through being thrown out of a cart at Heidel-
berg on Monday last. From the evidence
it appeared that the deceased was driving a
spring-cart loaded with furniture through
Heidelberg on Monday evening, and
.whilst crossing the water channel near
the Roman Catholic Church he was
jerked out of the vehicle, and fell on to
the road upon his head. When picked up
he was bleeding from a wound at the back of
the head, but was perfectly sensible. He
was assisted to a house close at hand, where
he died the following morning from the effects
of the injuries he had sustained. The jury
returned a verdict that the deceased died
from the effects of an accidental fall.
(P.3, Argus, 27-12-1878.)
EMILY'S BIRTH RECORD.
EventBirth Event registration number19395 Registration year1861
Family nameKING Given namesEmily Trin SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Elijah Mother's nameElizabeth Beckworth (Lane) Place of birthSANDRIDGE
There is no birth record for Elizabeth because she was about two years old when the King family arrived circa 1957. William's birth record cannot be found. Although he was the last sibling named in Elizabeth Lacco's death notice, he, like Elizabeth, might have been born before the family's arrival in Victoria.
Like Emily, Ellen and Clara King were born at Sandridge, in 1864 and 1870.
ELIZABETH'S MARRIAGE RECORD.
EventMarriage Event registration number1453 Registration year1872
Family nameKING Given namesElizabeth SexFemale Spouse's family nameTELO Spouse's given namesFote
Thanks to TONKIN, I knew better than to search for the marriage by entering Fort Lacco. Weird spellings of his name had disappeared by the time of Annie Lacco's birth at Queenscliff in 1879 but it's going to be fun finding the death records of the first three children mentioned in Elizabeth's death record, namely Mary, John (deceased), and Christie (deceased). Emily Christina was born at Dromana in 1880, while Patrick Mitchell (1883) and Margaret Elizabeth (1886) were born at Carlton, where Elizabeth's widowed mother, Elizabeth, nee Lane, might have been living.
EMILY'S TWO MARRIAGES.
The great grandfather of Judith Mavis Cock (Judith Durham of The Seekers) was also a Greek fisherman like Fort Lacco and registrars had even more difficulty spelling his name.
EventMarriage Event registration number3393 Registration year1882
Family nameKING Given namesEmily SexFemale Spouse's family namePANWTEO Spouse's given namesDimitri Antoni
EventMarriage Event registration number5814 Registration year1887
Family nameDURHAM Given namesFrancis William SexMale Spouse's family namePUNWETO Spouse's given namesEmily
DEATH OF EMILY'S SECOND HUSBAND?
EventDeath Event registration number7854 Registration year1893
Family nameDURHAM Given namesFrank Wm SexMale Father's nameFrank Mother's nameFanny Elizabeth (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathSt Kilda Age50
William Francis Durham and Emily (King) had the following children:
Frank William (b. and d. 1889), Frank Richard (1890, d. 1943?), Henry Joseph* (1892, d. 1963.)
*Wondering whether Emily had raised the two surviving boys and if they were involved at Rosebud, I remembered that there was a Durham assessment at Rosebud which, because of the initials, could not be linked AT THAT TIME to Emily or her son, Anthony. Luckily this assessment was in my original transcriptions of assessments, not hidden as a side note in special investigations of particular people and properties. In 1919, J.H.Durham's assessment was listed out of alphabetical order, indicating that he had recently bought his block from somebody with the surname of Freeman, perhaps F.E.Freeman (maybe Emma Flora Freeman, born 1880 to Robert Henry and Mary Jane Adams, who married George Freeman in 1903.) F.E.Freeman was assessed on lot 29, section A and 29 section B, part crown allotment 19 Wannaeue, net annual value 4 pounds. The next assessment was:
J.H.DURHAM,LOT 24 SECTION A, PART CROWN ALLOTMENT 19 WANNAEUE, NET ANNUAL VALUE 3 POUNDS.
Captain Henry Everest Adams had purchased c/a 19 Wannaeue between Parkmore Rd and Adams Avenue, from the grantee, his friend Isaac White before the first assessment in 1864. His son, Robert sold the 191 acres to William Tetley in about April 1889. Tetley subdivided the land south to South Rd, Rosebud's second private subdivision following Woolcott's subdivision of c/a 17 (between Jetty Rd and the line of Norm Clark Walk) circa 1878. Tetley numbered his half acre blocks 1 to 29 from Govt.Road (Parkmore Rd)to Adams Avenue with section A blocks fronting "Government 3 chain road" (Pt Nepean Rd)and section B blocks fronting Rosemore Road. There were seven blocks of about 4 acres south of Rosemore Road. (Land Plan 3513.)
Flora Freeman's lots 29 AB fronted Adams Avenue. The surveyor or Melway don't quite agree that there are 29 chain frontages between Parkmore Road and Adams Avenue, they being 31 chains apart on Melway. J.H.Durham's lot 24 section A was about 20 metres west of a point directly opposite the drive into Tom Salt Park, just before the divided road ends in Melway 158 F11. The net annual value in the above assessments show that these Freeman and Durham blocks were vacant. I believe that J.H.Durham used his block for his horse to graze.
My "Durham, Rosebud" search on trove produced only one result.
STRAYED, dark brown Gelding. white star on forehead, .ear marked, scars on both hind legs. H. Durham, Rosebud.
(P.1, The Age, 13-5-1920.)
A ratebook inspection will be necessary to confirm this but I suspect that the death of Emily's second husband in 1893 (which seems to be verified by the birth dates of the three children above, there being no others born to the couple), was the impetus for Emily to spend more time in the weatherboard house which Judith Durham remembers being in the middle of the block on the west side of Durham Place, crown allotment 20 of the Rosebud Fishing Village granted to Fort Lacco on 16-10-1872 (the year of his marriage.)
It was probably at about the same time (circa 1893) that Fort Lacco built Pier Cottage on crown allotment 12 (or perhaps 12 and 11 of the fishing village, the site of the farcically-named Banksia Point apartment/ cafe development near the jetty. It was probably on that site that Mitch built the SURPRISE to show his expertise before moving to Queenscliff to further hone his skills. This was at about the same time that the hero of the La Bella, William John Ferrier of Number seven (crown allotment 7 of the fishing village, 858 Pt Neapean Rd)made the same move. Elizabeth went with Mitch and known as Granny Lacco to them, baby-sat the Ferrier youngsters, such as Lew (named after Lou Bucher), Queenscliff's barefoot fisherman in "Rosebud" at 20 Beach St., Queenscliff. Did Elizabeth leave Fort to cope on his own? No, Elizabeth was now a widow.
EventDeath Event registration number4813 Registration year1915
Family nameLACCO Given namesFort SexUnknown Father's nameLacco Jno Mother's nameMary (Comeo) Place of birth Place of deathDromana Age72
When Mitch returned to Rosebud he built a house with a boat building shed behind it (fronting Mitchell St) on the east side of Murray Anderson Rd. Elizabeth* probably lived with Mitch's family and Pier Cottage was leased or bought by Cr.Edward Campbell of Melbourne City Council who spent every day he was down fishing on the bay**. Pier Cottage was destroyed by fire in 1936 despite the efforts of the Rosebud footballers on their way home from a function*** and Edward replaced it with the double storey building that stood on crown allotment 11 until it was recently demolished to make way for the three storey Banksia Point complex.
*ELIZABETH LACCO IN MIDDLE OF FAMILY GROUP ON VERANDAH OF HOUSE ON THE NORTH WEST CORNER OF THE PRESENT TASMAN MEATS BUILDING
Mitch Lacco and family Back row Ken Lucy Harold My mother Edna Grandma in middle Alec George and Mitch taken on the front porch at corner of Murray Anderson Rd in front of the boat shed
Photo and caption supplied by Marie Laurier.
** MORE LIKELY SEA-SICK
*** PIER COTTAGE
WAS WILLIAM ELIJAH KING A LIGHTHOUSE KEEPER AT SANDRIDGE? From:
MITCH AT QUEENSLIFF
Mitch Lacco was born in McCrae into a lighthouse keeper family and became an apprentice to Hansen. He eventually established his own boat building business in Fisherman’s Flat in 1916 where he built boats in the backyard of 31 Beach Street and launched them, with the help of his mates, from right there – so close was the shoreline back then. Payment to the helpers was in the form of a keg of beer. Superstition prevented launching of boats on a Friday. And the fishing fleet also did not fish on that day, mainly because the Melbourne Fish Market was closed on weekends, but used the weekend for boat maintenance.
Peter Locke, a fisherman from St. Leonards, was asked by Mitch to join him. He eventually took over the business in 1926 when the Lacco family shifted back to Rosebud.
When I read this, I thought the writer was referring to Mitch being born into the famed Dunk lightkeeping family whose original head was on the vessel sent north to search for Burke and Wills and after whom Dunk Island was wrongly claimed to have been named. The Lacco/Dunk connection took place in 1934 when Mitch's daughter, Edna was married. Ironically this was the same year that Mitch's mother, Elizabeth, nee King died.
EventMarriage Event registration number13306 Registration year1934
Family nameLACCO Given namesEdna May SexUnknown Spouse's family nameDUNK Spouse's given namesAdam Edwd
Mitch was born in 1883, the birth place being named as Dromana which could mean that his father was working at the lighthouse at McCrae, which, even in 1907 when William John Ferrier arrived to do duty there, was regarded as being part of Dromana; or it could just mean that Mitch's birth was registered in Dromana.
Another possibility is that Fort's father in law was a light keeper at Sandridge between about 1857 and the birth of his youngest daughter in 1870, perhaps longer.I'll place finding proof of Mitch's father or maternal grandfather being a light keeper on my list of things to do.
THE PUDDING. (HEARN & CLARKE, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.) SHAME VICTORIAN BDM, SHAME! BIG CLARKE'S SIBLINGS AND "ROSENEATH", ESSENDON..
I just tried a Google search to see if there was any mention of James Hearn Snr. having married Big Clarke's sister and there was no mention of the relationship in CLARKE biographies. In fact there was precious little about James Hearn Snr. There must have been mention of the relationship somewhere* because I have stated that it exists but was my source correct? The proof is in the pudding!
*Probably JAMES HEARN JNR.
I'd always assumed that James Hearn Jnr. would have died at "Roseneath" on the east side of Woodland Park,in Woodlands St, Essendon but he'd obviously sold it. After 1887, James is not mentioned in regard to the property, owned by 1906 by William Salmon, who donated Salmon Reserve alongside Five Mile Creek to the Council. It was at "Roseneath" that Big Clarke had died in 1874. James Jnr. died thirty years later at another house in Fletcher St, Essendon.
HEARN.—On the 19th July, at his late residence, "Uardry," Fletcher-street, Essendon, James Hearn, aged 62 years. (No flowers, by request.)P.1, Argus, 20-7-1904.
His death record is included because his parents aren't mentioned above.
EventDeath Event registration number8576 Registration year1904
Family nameHEARN Given namesJas SexUnknown Father's nameHearn Jas Mother's nameLouise (Clarke) Place of birth Place of deathEsdon Age62
My purpose is not to list all the children of James and Louisa but here's another one. The precise location of Thorngrove (granted to Big Clarke) is given in another journal.
HEARN.—On the 6th February, at his residence,Jessamine, Sydney-road, Brunswick, Henry, the youngest son of the late James and Louisa Hearn,of Thorngrove, Somerton. (No flowers, by request.) P.1, Argus, 8-2-1907.)
THE NAMES OF THE PARENTS OF LOUISA HEARN AND BIG CLARKE ARE THE KEY INGREDIENTS OF THE PUDDING.
Unforunately and amazingly VICTORIAN BDM seems to have lost half of the pudding, the part concerning one of Australia's most prominent pioneers, William John Turner Clarke! That's why I have included his death notice, had to inspect every CLARKE death record in 1874, in vain, and will have to document his parents from another source.
EventDeath Event registration number6018 Registration year1890
Family nameHEARN Given namesLouisa SexFemale Father's nameClarke Wm Mother's nameSarah (Turner) Place of birth Place of deathBrnswk Age77
CLARKE.—On the 13th January, at Roseneath, Essendon, William John Turner Clarke, in the seventy- third year of his age. (P.14, Illustrated Australian News for Home Readers, 28-1-1874.)
PARENTS OF W.J.T. AND LOUISA
About William Clarke
William Clarke, of the parish of St. Botolph, Aldgate, London, baptised 11th July, 1772, at Weston Zoyland, settled when young in London, and subsequently resided at Barnstaple, co. Devon. He m. 18th February, 1796, Sarah Turner, of Weston Zoyland, and had issue,
Charles, of Chelsea, co. Middlesex. England, m. Elizabeth, daughter of John Howe, of Merridge, near Bridgwater, and d. March, 1878, leaving two surviving sons and four daughters.
William John Tueneb* (Hon.), of whom hereafter. (*Turner)
Lewis, of Essenden, Victoria, Australia, left two sons and seven daughters.
Sarah Turner, m. Richard Comer, of West Bermudas, and d. s.p., 1843.
Caroline, m. Mr. Mead.
Louisa, m. James Hearn, formerly of Lower Petherton, co. Somerset, and afterwards of Thorngrove, and d. at her residence at Brunswick, May, 1890, aged 78*, leaving issue four sons and four daughters, several of the sons being well known amongst pastoralists. She had lived in the colony of Victoria for forty-nine years, and survived her husband many years.(*Probably a misinterpretation of "the 78th year of her age." or an estimation.)
William Clarke d. 1819.
SOURCE: Burke, Bernard, Sir, 1814-1892. cn; Burke, Ashworth Peter, 1864-1919. A genealogical and heraldic history of the colonial gentry, Vol. I; London, Harrison; 1891; page 20
David Duncan, co-grantee of section 14 Tullamarine (extending a mile west from the Melbourne Airport terminal building) built this house. See DUNCAN BUILT ROSENEATH
A trove search for "Roseneath Essendon" reveals much information about Lewis Clarke's family, the advertisement (1877) of the property with 27 acres grass soon after Big Clarke's death, tenders being called for repairs in 1878, that it was occupied by a seemingly unrelated Ayre family in 1876,that it comprised "10 rooms, with commodious outbuildings, large garden, and about 23 acres of land"when advertised for sale or to let in 1880,that James Hearn Jnr. still occupied the property in 1887 but by 1889, Roseneath was occupied by poultry farmer,F.Edmondson* possibly till at least 1892, and about William Salmon's family from 1906.
William Salmon owned much land across Woodlands St from Roseneath which was used for grazing but used his Roseneath property for poultry farming.There is supposed to be a reference to the Roseneath Estate on page 74 of THE STOPOVER THAT STAYED but I can't see it. Bob Chalmers' THE ANNALS OF ESSENDON (1850'S TO 1924) states that William Salmon, who arrived in Australia in 1878 had donated the aforementioned 8 acre portion of the Roseneath Estate on 4-11-1918 (P.196) and that 44 home sites with frontages to Woodlands St, Napier St and Salmon Avenue and the now eight- roomed* Roseneath residence on a block 150 x 156 ft, formerly owned by the late William F. Salmon were to be sold on 11-10-1924. (p.256.)
(*As in many early houses, the kitchen was probably detached and the other missing room may have been servants' quarters.)
Be warned that Heather Smith's ROSENEATH, ESSENDON in the 1920's was another property on the site of Peter McCracken's 1857 Ardmillan mansion at 33-37 Ardmillan Rd, Moonee Ponds.
POSTCRIPT. The name of John Rankin's wife has never been properly recorded in Victorian birth records. I hate loose ends, and like her son James Forbes, I've struck gold. Pardon my pun, but if I didn't find this information, I would have had to show CAUSE.
This looked like a possibility because the death record of one of John and Jean's children had a mother's maiden name starting with C*. Death records and notices(e.g.McDougall) had shown that Jean and Jane were often used for the same person.
*EventDeath Event registration number5899 Registration year1916
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJames Forbes SexUnknown Father's nameRankin Jno Mother's nameJane (Canse) Place of birth Place of death Age77
EventDeath Event registration number7108 Registration year1880
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJane SexUnknown Father's nameCause John Mother's nameHelen (Dunnan) Place of birthU Place of death Age73 Spouse's family nameRANKIN Spouse's given namesJohn
RANKIN.—On the 4th inst., at Kensington, Jane, the beloved wife of John Rankin, in her 74th year.
(P.1, Argus, 5-7-1880.)
John Rankin, of Learmonth-street, Moonee Ponds,
gentleman, by his will dated August 25, 1891, and
presented for probate by Messrs. Pentland, Roberts
and Thompson, of Melbourne, solicitors, appointed
his daughter Margaret McDougall, of Holmes-road,
Moonee Ponds; widow, sole executrix. He bequeathed
his household furniture and other articles of house-
hold use or ornament to his daughter Joanna Brooks;
to his daughter Margaret McDougall his gold watch
and chain ; to his son James Forbes Rankin, the use
of piece of land with house, situate on the Racecourse-road,
Flemington, and at his death the same
to be sold, and divided amongst, his children, two
shares to his daughter Jessie and one share each to
his other children (at 21), excepting his eldest son
John Forbes Rankin. He bequeathed his residuary
estate equally to his four children Margaret
McDougall, Joanna Brooks, Jane Eadie and Andrew
Rankin. By a codicil dated January 27, 1892, he
bequeathed to the said Joanna Brooks part of Crown
allotment C, section C*, parish of Doutta Galla, with
house, and directed that in the division of his
residuary estate she shall take £1100 less than the
other legatees, that being the amount paid by testator
for said land, Testator, died July 19, 1892, and
the will is sworn at £1950 real and £12,200 personal;
total, £14,150. (P.11, Table Talk, 19-8-1892.)
*This had me puzzled but stupidly I didn't inspect the page, thinking that John was referring to Roseneath. It was only after Learmonth St. dragged my mind into gear, that I realised that John was referring to lot C of section 6, which is bisected by Puckle St-Holmes Rd., and includes Learmonth St. See the parish map whose link is given at the end of the journal, but select map 1 instead of map 3.
Peter Eadie, who lived in the heritage-listed Dunblane in Sunbury after selling his hotel and store, was a relative* of Robert Eadie of Ben Eadie at Sunbury, near Jacksons Creek,who would have gained his expertise regarding platypus habitats as a boy. Robert moved to South Africa and while there saved the life of Winston Churchill during the Boer War. Later returning to Australia he set up the platypus enclosure at Healesville Sanctuary and lived nearby till his death. See my Eadie family of Sunbury journal.
*EventDeath Event registration number14940 Registration year1900
Family nameEADIE Given namesPeter SexUnknown Father's nameEadie Jno Mother's nameJean (Headrick) Place of birth Place of deathSbury Age66
EventDeath Event registration number18746 Registration year1949
Family nameEADIE Given namesRobert SexMale Father's nameEADIE Robert Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthSUNBURY Place of deathHEALESVILLE Age85
Robert McDougall lived at Glenroy, Aitken's Estate between today's Aberfeldie and Avondale Heights, and Arundel between Tullamarine and Keilor, also owning Warlaby on the west corner at the north end of Oaklands Rd., Bulla, which he named after Major Booth's Shorthorn stud. Robert had died in 1887, before his father-in-law's death so Margaret was now a widow. See my Robert McDougall journal.
John Rankin's daughter, Joanna, had obviously met her husband at Kensington. She married John, obviously the son of John and Eliza, in 1866. Unsurprisingly, like Robert McDougall and Robert Eadie's weddings, the ceremony was conducted in John Rankin's Roseneath Cottage on the corner of Rankins Rd and Macaulay Rds, and opposite the temporarily closed (1864- circa 1872) Kensington station.
BROOKS.—On the 22nd inst, at Kensington-hill, Eliza, widow of the late* John Brooks, aged 69 years.
(P.24, The Australasian, 31-7-1875.)
(John had died, aged 76, at Kensington Hill on 19-7-1871 -P.4, Argus, 22-7-1871.)
EventMarriage Event registration number2837 Registration year1866
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJoanna SexUnknown Spouse's family nameBROOKS Spouse's given namesJohn
Brooks— Rankin. — On the 11th inst., by the Rev. A.D.Kininmont, at the residence of the bride's father, Roseneath, Kensington, Mr J. Brooks, of H.M. Customs, Williamstown, to Joanna, youngest daughter of John Rankin, Esq. (P.4, The Age, 12-7-1866.)
JAMES FORBES RANKIN.
EventBirth Event registration number526 Registration year1838
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJames Forbes SexMale Father's nameRANKIN John Mother's nameJean (Unknown) Place of birthMELBOURNE
EventMarriage Event registration number3108 Registration year1862
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJames Forbes SexMale Spouse's family nameROBERTSON Spouse's given namesJessie Stuart
James Forbes Rankin was probably Isaac Batey's "old mate, Jimmy Rankin." He apparently farmed near Redstone Hill for quite a while.
"Gold in loose quartz was first discovered on a Sunday in 1865. J. R.,S. F, and T. Batey, in company with
J. F. Rankin, began napping quartz,when to to their surprise it was seen to contain gold."
(P.2, Sunbury News, 17-9-1910.)
These would be his death record and Jessie's. Jessie may have been born in Flemington.(Typos are common.)
EventDeath Event registration number5899 Registration year1916
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJames Forbes SexUnknown Father's nameRankin Jno Mother's nameJane (Canse) Place of birth Place of death Age77
EventDeath Event registration number12357 Registration year1917
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJessie Stuart SexUnknown Father's nameRobertson Gilbert Mother's nameMary Semple (Stuart) Place of birth Place of deathFltin Age80
RANKIN.—On the 5th June, at his residence, Racecourse road, Newmarket, James Forbes Rankin,beloved husband of Jessie Stuart. (lnterred private family burying ground, Brighton Cemetery.)Born in Melbourne 1838.
(P.13, Argus, 17-6-1916.)
RANKIN. —On the 31st October, at Racecourse road, Newmarket, Jessie Stewart, dearly beloved wife of the late James Forbes Rankin. (Interred privately at Brighton.) A devoted wife and mother.(P.1, Argus, 14-11-1917.)
ROSENEATH, KENSINGTON. (From my EARLY LAND OWNERS:PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA.)
The land bounded by Racecourse, Boundary, Macaulay and Rankins Rds was sold by the Crown in 1849 in allotments of about 2 acres.
John Rankin bought two blocks fronting Macaulay Rd and was living there as a (market) gardener by 1851. He spent a short, successful time at the diggings and lived on Princes St (as Rankins Rd was originally known) for many years. His house, located at the Macaulay Rd corner, was demolished by the early 1890’s and he was living in Moonee Ponds when he died on 20-7-1892.
This portion of Land Plan 520 (sheet 2) shows the location of Rankin’s house, just near the station.
Also see DOUTTA GALLA(Map 3.)
PIONEERS ANYWHERE NEAR SUNBURY , VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA? ASK ISAAC BATEY! (ALSO WILLIAM SAVAGE AND GOOPARL, ASCOT VALE.)
Having been looking for information about William Savage, who'd taught at the Roman Catholic St. Augustine's school at Keilor before becoming the first teacher at Keilor State School in 1875, I found the notice, on page 4 of the Argus of 3-2-1869, of the marriage of William Savage, son of Mr. William Savage, Sligo, Ireland to Margaret E.J.Victoria Clarke, youngest daughter of the late John Clarke Esq. of Gooparle, Saltwater River. I remembered the name of that property very well, because, having seen it mentioned in Isaac Batey's memoirs as being the property of a member of the Clarke family, I'd spent considerable time trying to work out exactly where it was. I had my doubts about a teacher, who had to run night classes after a hard day's work in order to make ends meet, marrying a member of the Clarke family, presuming that John Clarke would be nearly as well off as his relative, William John Turner (Big) Clarke.
The first of Isaac's articles on trove that I tried was on page 4 of the 30-5-1903 issue of the Sunbury News.
He mentioned at the start that the Clarke referred to (obviously in the previous installment)was a wild one and long gone so that could have been John Clarke. Perhaps William Savage, teacher, really had married his daughter.
DEATH RECORD OF JOHN'S DAUGHTER.
EventDeath Event registration number13113 Registration year1908
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesMargt Emily Jane Victoria SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathC Hill Age62
DEATH NOTICE OF JOHN CLARKE'S DAUGHTER.
SAVAGE.— On the 31st October, Margaret Emily Jane Victoria, dearly beloved wife of the late William Savage, mounted trooper. late of Heidelberg, beloved mother of Percy of Fltzroy; Ethleen, Olive,Edwin' Alma, Hubert, Mabel, aged 65 years. Interred privately .Melbourne General Cemetery, 3rd November. Rest in peace,
— Inserted by Percy Savage. (P.5, The Age, 7-11-1908.)
POSTSCRIPT. William's death record shows that he was only 42 when he died in 1887 and would have been a boy when the school was established at Sunbury, as mentioned below.
SAVAGE.—On the 2nd inst., at the Melbourne Hospital, William Savage, late of the Mounted Police.
Funeral will leave the hospital at 2.30 p.m. this day(Friday).(P.1, Argus, 4-3-1887.)
EventDeath Event registration number2870 Registration year1887
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesWilliam SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameMary Ann (Pilson) Place of birth Place of deathMELB E Age42 Spouse's family nameCLARK Spouse's given namesMargaret
John Clarke's (probable) widow was still at Gooparl in 1857 when she took another son-in-law to court. I hope she didn't give William Savage, the mounted trooper, similar grief.
SINGULAR PERJURY PROSECUTION.
Portland Guardian and Normanby General Advertiser (Vic. : 1842 - 1876) Friday 27 February 1857 p 2 Article
Could Margaret's late husband, a mounted trooper, have been the teacher at Sunbury in the 1850's? NO, AS ABOVE. William Savage the teacher at Keilor, seems to have been a Roman Catholic because like other Keilor stalwarts of that faith such as Patrick Phelan and George Dodd he had contributed to a Roman Catholic building fund in 1868. Many teachers lost their jobs because of the 1890's depression, whose effects lasted at least as long as 1905 when schools were still being closed, and because unemployed people were likely to steal, not pay their rent etc., more police may have been employed despite the government being almost bankrupt.
However the death notice uses Rest in peace rather than the Latin version almost invariably used by Catholics. There was also another William Savage, definitely a teacher*, who married in 1860 and was maybe a Presbyterian.
*SAVAGE—MALLOWS.—[Golden Wedding.]—On the 22nd February, 1860, at the Presbyterian School-house, Rokewood, by the Rev. John Cooper, William Savage, head teacher of the school, to Catherine Charlotte Mallows. Present address, Corindhap. (P.1, Argus, 22-2-1910.)
POSTSCRIPT. OBITUARY OF THE ABOVE.
The funeral of Mr William Savage retired State school teacher of Corindhap, took place on Friday afternoon,
and was largely attended. The late gentleman/ who was a native of England. came to-Victoria in the fifties, and
opened the school in Rokewood in the year 1856. He also occupied during his time as a teacher the State schools at Napoleons, Dereel, and Corindhap....... He leaves a widow, two sons, both of whom are in the State service. and two daughters.(P.2, The Ballarat Star, 10-7-1911.)
All the places where this William Savage taught were near Ballarat so he wouldn't have taught at Sunbury or Keilor. His children were Emma Elizabeth b.1861 at Geelong, William Selwyn b. 1863 at Barr (Bararabool west of Geelong), Martha b. 1867 Rokewood, Catherine b.1870 Rokewood, Unnamed male b 1873, Rokewood Mary Louisa b. 1874 Rokewood, Walter Owen b. 1878 BR EA (Brokewood East?)
William Selwyn would have been only 14 years old in 1875, when the Keilor State School opened under William Savage who'd previously taught at St. Augustine's school at Keilor.
More about Keilor's teacher at the end.
In the same article, Isaac mentioned that the first school at Sunbury was on the site* of the Roman Catholic Church and operated under the old system**. He thought that the first male teacher was William Savage and that there was a female teacher whom he named.
(*The township map would probably show that the site had been reserved for the R.C. Church.
** Any denomination could get government aid for a school but this led to a proliferation of schools in well- populated areas and none in others, so the Government passed the Common School Act in 1862 to ensure that every area would have a school.)
Also in this article, Isaac mentioned that Arthur Frost who had run the Franklin (in Sunbury and built by Tulip Wright)had married Fanny, Tulip's second daughter.
Isaac made few mistakes but did call David William O'Nial's LADY OF THE LAKE HOTEL at Tullamarine the LADY OF THE LADY, a mistake that was repeated in the Tullamarine Methodist Church centenary souvenir of 1970 whose author realised what a great source Isaac was but lacked the means to confirm the name. I do have the means to confirm Arthur Frost's marriage.
EventMarriage Event registration number2400 Registration year1859
Family nameFROST Given namesArthur Thomas SexMale Spouse's family nameWRIGHT Spouse's given namesFrances
The Shire of Bulla was preceded by the Bulla Roads Board, established in 1862 and extending south almost to Essendon until the Keilor Road District was proclaimed shortly afterwards. A history of the shire was sought for its centenary, I.W.Symonds' BULLA BULLA being chosen over THE SHIRE THAT TOOK OFF by Grant Aldous, a decision that was probably influenced by the Clarke family which would not have been impressed by Grant's story about George Evans laying a pistol on his table when Big Clarke came calling as a reminder to the visitor not to flirt with George's young wife, Annie, nee Holden. No prizes for guessing where this racy tale would have come from!
It was probably in Symonds' book that I read about the Bulla Road Board being formed at a meeting at the Bridge Inn (built by Tulip Wright) and meetings being held there until Frost asked for rent to be paid; the office and meetings then being transferred to Melville's Inverness Hotel at Oaklands Junction until the shire hall was built in Bulla Township. Now we know why Frost was running the Bridge Inn. Symonds might have got his information from histories of the shire (possibly written in 1912) by young Daniel and another student who came first and second respectively in a competition. The Daniel boy had the assistance of two members of his family being involved as shire secretaries but you can bet that Isaac's memoirs were the main source.
I can't find the reference to Big Clarke's relative of Gooparle but you can be certain it's there. John Clarke had died by 1857 when probate of his will was sought and Gooparle may have been a large slab of Ascot Vale West with the homestead in Langs Rd, (between Chauvel and Anderson Sts) later being occupied by William Anderson of the Flemington Meat Preserving Company. I would never have discovered this without Isaac's racy, descriptive, detail-packed memories of the pioneers in a huge area around Sunbury. He and Harry Huntington Peck should be awarded a posthumous Order of Australia for their services to history!
THE Gooparl Estate is the property of Charles Payne, Esq comprising 48 acres of Land, five of which are in a high state of cultivation, as a flour, fruit, and kitchen garden. Also ten acre cultivation paddock, and two
grass paddocks of 33 acres.
The whole is substantially fenced with post and three rails,and dividing fences, with very superior gates. The buildings consist of a neat verandah cottage, of seven rooms, kitchen and scullery; the out buildings comprise, stabling, harness room, coach-house, open shed, and fowl-house, and sleeping apartments, and store-room over.
There is a large water tank, built of stone, and cemented, the yard is paved, and everything in first-rate order.
The property is situated near the racecourse, four miles from Melbourne, and is always accessible by good roads; it has a frontage to the Salt Water River, and two Government roads. It is now offered for sale in whole or in portions on liberal terms. Further particulars on application to the undersigned
JOHN MACKENZIE, Queen Street.(P.7, Argus, 6-11-1852.)
Link for Doutta Galla Parish map; select map 1. DOUTTA GALLA
Crown allotment 31, section 3 Doutta Galla of 48 acres was granted to Charles Payne on 3-6-1846,the same day on which George Newsom (recalled by Newsom St) bought c/a's 32 and 33. My 1999 Melway has Clark* written by me on crown allotment 31 which extended north west from Langs Rd for 1000 links (200 metres), obtained from measurement on Melway as it is not on the parish map, to the north west boundary of Ascot Vale West Primary School. Crown allotments 31 to 36 all had the same 200 metre frontage to the road to Raleigh's punt (Epsom Rd.)
*This indicates that I may have information about John Clarke in my EARLY LANDOWNERS:PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA.
This was subdivided in 1854 with John Clark buying 15 acres between (roughly) Anderson St and Victory Pde for 10 000 pounds, and John Wilson paying 3900 pounds for 19 ½ acres between Clark’s land and a line 2 chains from Epsom Rd; the road frontage apparently having been purchased by James Young. Clarke and Wilson’s purchases are shown ON THE ATTACHED MAP: A = Young B = Wilson [20 157], C = Clark [29 52].For the price, Clark must have also bought the land to the river.
William Lang bought Young’s 4/5 acre in 1861 and in 1866 bought an adjoining 3 ¾ acre portion of Wilson’s land from Hugh Glass, giving him most of the Victory Park site.
In 1882, William Anderson resigned as chief meat preserver at the famous factory on the Living Museum of the West site, and launched his own business on allotment 31. He built a house called Gooparle between Anderson and Chauvel Sts and ran the Flemington Meat Preserving Co. until 13-7-1915, six months before his death. Anderson’s Paddock, subdivided as the Victory Estate in 1920, contains Anderson and Monash St houses.
N.B. IF ANDERSON BUILT THE HOUSE WHY WOULD HE CALL IT GOOPARL, A NAME COINED BY JOHN CLARKE? MORE LIKELY THE HOUSE WAS BUILT BY CLARKE, WITH PAYNE AND ANDERSON RETAINING THE NAME FOR THE HOUSE.
There is a photo of the Gooparl(e) house on GOOPARL
Lenore Frost's superb index revealing which people and places are mentioned in which books (which can be purchased from the Essendon Historical Society at the Court House Museum at Moonee Ponds) includes:
Gooparl (pages) 34 – 35 (book) 15 Fine Homes of Essendon and Flemington
WILLIAM SAVAGE, KEILOR'S TEACHER.
The Government Gazette of 26-9-1862 had notified the appointment of William Savage as the deputy registrar of births and deaths for the Keilor District, vice (in the place of) T.P.Dowling.
(P.4, The Star, Ballarat,29-9-1862.)
Aha, we have the right bloke. I thought I'd start looking for his children's births between 1876 and 1880.
EventBirth Event registration number24024 Registration year1876
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesValentine Patrick SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameBridget (Gough) Place of birthKE IL
William had married Bridget in 1863 but unfortunately marriage records don't mention locations.
EventMarriage Event registration number1682 Registration year1863
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesWilliam SexMale Spouse's family nameGOUGH Spouse's given namesBridget#
Their children were: William Francis b.1864 Keilor (with the father's name as Willianm and the mother's maiden name as Goff), Maria b.1865 Keilor, Michael Vincent b.1866 Keilor, John James**, *** b.1868 Keilor, Joseph b. 1869, Keilor (with William's second given name recorded as Aloysius),M. b. 1870 Keilor****, Louisa b.1872 Keilor (William Aloysius as the father's name again), Charles Baromas b. 1873 Keilor, V.P. (above) b.1876, Margaret* b 1881 Keilor.
# SAVAGE - On the 12th July, at her residence. No.12 Robert- street, Footscray, Bridget Savage, dearly loved wife of William Savage, late of Keilor, beloved mother of John, Charles. Maria, William,Vincent, Joseph, Louisa and Margaret Savage, aged 63 years. R.I.P.(P.5, The Age, 13-7-1901.)
SAVAGE.— On the 12th July, at her residence, 12 Robert-street, Footscray, Bridget (Delin) Savage,
dearly beloved daughter of Francis Gough, beloved sister of Joseph Gough, Mrs. J. Gibson and Mrs. H..
Serres. Fortified in the rites of her church. Interred 14th July. R.I. P. Sydney papers please copy.
(P.1, The Age, 16-7-1901.)
*BROWN— SAVAGE.— On the 1st January, at St.Ignatius' Church, Richmond, by Rev. Father Cahill, Thomas Richard Brown, of Bendigo, to Margaret, youngest daughter of William Savage, schoolmaster, late of Keilor.
(P.31, Weekly Times, 27-1-1906.)
**SAVAGE.— On the 1st June, at the Public Works store yard, 104 Wells-street, South Melbourne. John James, the beloved husband of Margaret Savage, and third son of William Savage, formerly State school teacher, Keilor, aged 36 years. R.I.P.(P.1, The Age, 2-6-1902.) JOHN'S FIRST WIFE HAD OBVIOUSLY DIED!
*** SAVAGE—TYRER - On the 3rd November, at SS.Peter and Paul's, south Melbourne, by Rev. Jas. O'Neill,
John, third son of William Savage, of keilor. to Maggie,only daughter of William Tyrer, of South Melbourne.
(P.5, The Age, 29-11-1890.)
**** The unnamed male born in 1870 unsurprisingly died in 1870.
SAVAGE, unnamed male - Parents: William & Bridget SAVAGE - Place of Death: Doutta Galla
Being east of the river, St Augustines was in the parish of Doutta Galla. Crown allotment 19, between Collinson St and the river, was part of Keilor Township.
Like any good Catholic, William kept the baby factory busy but what stopped the production line for a while after 1876? Had William given up teaching?
William Savage, of Keilor, gentleman.
Causes of insolvency-Having given accommodation bills, sickness in family, and pressure of creditors. Liabilities, £465 10s. 5d ; assets, £422 14s.10d.; deficiency, £42 15s. 7d. Mr. Jacomb, assignee.
(P.5, Argus, 24-5-1877.)
William was still teaching and the insolvency did not seem to have affected his performance.
An examination for results was held at the local State School on Monday last, when the splendid percentage of 94 was obtained. This must be very gratifying to the persons who have children attending the school, as well as to the teacher, Mr. Savage.(P.3, The Bacchus Marsh Express, 26-5-1877.)
AN examination for results was held in the Keilor State school on Friday last, which was, on the whole, one of the most satisfactory that has been held for some time past. The percentage obtained—within a very small fraction of 90—is an exceptionally good one, and when we take into consideration the fact of its being obtained under difficulties, such as sickness, which has been prevalent among children of late to an alarming extent, it must be regarded as a very high commpliment to the teaching powers of the head master, Mr. Savage, and of the staff of the school.(P.3, Bacchus Marsh Express, 13-12-1879.)
When Mr. McCusker's house was burnt down he was left penniless,and a fundraising committee was formed with W.Savage junior as joint treasurer with Donald McDonald. (P.3, Bacchus Marsh Express, 28-1-1882.) William had been born in 1864 so he would have been 18. Donald,now about 23 who had become a pupil teacher under William Aloysius Savage's tuition at the school in 1876, had by this time probably started his career as a journalist at Samaria, north east of Yea. Robert Dodd, son of George Dodd of Oakleigh Park,was a schoolmate of Donald and no doubt owed his successful journalistic career to W.A.Savage as well. See my journal about George Dodd and his siblings.
SAVAGE.—On the 22nd July, William Francis Aloysius Savage, formerly state school teacher of Keilor, beloved father of Mrs. R. S. Owen, of No. 8 Survey-street, Burnley, and Mrs. T Brown,of Bendigo, aged 70 years. R.I.P.
SAVAGE.—The Friends of the late Mr. WILLIAM FRANCIS ALOYSIUS SAVAGE are respectfully informed his remains will be interred in the Keilor Cemetery. The funeral will leave the residence of his daughter, Mrs. R. S. Owen,No. 8 Survey-street, Burnley, THIS DAY (Wednesday, 24th July, 1907), at 12.30 o'clock, arriving at cemetery about 3.30 p.m.(P.1, Argus, 24-7-1907.)
GET DEATH RECORDS FOR BRIDGET AND WFAS WHEN BDM STARTS WORKING AGAIN.
BRIDGET SAVAGE'S DEATH RECORD. BRIDGET'S DEATH NOTICE ABOVE GIVES THE NAMES OF HER FATHER AND SIBLINGS BUT NOT OF HER MOTHER.
EventDeath Event registration number9648 Registration year1901
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesBridt Margt SexUnknown Father's nameGough Frank Mother's nameBridt Mary (Enniss) Place of birth Place of deathFcray Age63
WILLIAM'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number9993 Registration year1907
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesWm Aloysius SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathRmond Age70
Not unexpectedly there are no birth records on Victorian for Bridget or William in 1836-1840. It seems a forlorn hope to find details of William's parents but perhaps we can explain how William and Bridget met each other. Did William arrive at Keilor in 1862 when he was appointed a deputy registrar of births and deaths for the Keilor district, had he been there for some time or had he been teaching elsewhere such as Pentridge (Coburg)?
They were married in 1863, at which time Bridget's father Francis Gough did not seem to be at Keilor; he seems to have moved there two years later.
NOTICE of INTENTION to APPLY for a TRANSFER of PUBLICAN'S LICENCE.-I, WILLIAM PEARCE, the holder of a publican's licence for the house and premises known as the Prince of Wales Hotel, situated at Flemington, do hereby give notice, that it is my intention to APPLY to tho justices sitting at the Court of Petty Sessions, to be holden
at Flemington, on Monday, 10th July, 1865, to TRANSFER the said LICENCE to Francis Gough, now residing at Keilor. (P.7, Argus, 24-7-1865.)
It will need someone cleverer than yours truly to explain how a person living in Keilor could run a hotel at Melway 28K9. Obviously, Francis would have had to then reside in the hotel, which is confirmed by incidents at Flemington involving Francis such as his alleged assault of a neighbour named Neighbour and a counter charge in 1868. GOUGHvNEIGHBOUR
In 1861, Francis may have been the Pentridge farmer of that name whose horse had been appropriated by Alexander Brown and Thomas Edwards who were charged with stealing the horse after it had escaped from a hitching post.
In 1862, Francis Gough was one of eight residents who requested the local J.P. to convene a public meeting for ratepayers in regard to receiving reports and electing auditors and members for the Pentridge Road Board.
In 1864, the same Pentridge farmer was found not guilty of wounding William Corrigan with a sword at Pentridge. This Francis Gough was fetching clothes for his wife who was in the lock-up.
GOUGH AND CORRIGAN
As the only results for Francis Gough in the 1860's concerned the person at Pentridge till 1864, at Keilor in 1865 whose connection with Flemington was established, and at Flemington, it is reasonable to assume that they were all the same person. It is also reasonable to assume that he was, from 1863, the father-in-law of Keilor teacher, William Savage. Therefore Bridget's mother died in 1867. Unfortunately there is no death record for Bridget's mother whose name is given in Bridget's death record as Bridt Mary (Enniss), only those of a Margaret and Julia. There was no death notice and the funeral notice did not mention the name of the publican's late wife.
THE Friends of Mr. FRANCIS GOUGH are respectfully invited to follow the remains of his late wife to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral to move from his residence, Prince of Wales Hotel, Flemington, THIS DAY (Monday), 28th inst., at one o'clock p.m.(P.8, Argus, 28-1-1867.)
The mother's name on Bridget's death record seems to be wrong. Let me repeat Bridget's second death notice to explain.
SAVAGE.— On the 12th July, at her residence, 12 Robert-street, Footscray, Bridget (Delin) Savage,
dearly beloved daughter of Francis Gough, beloved sister of Joseph Gough, Mrs. J. Gibson and Mrs. H.
Serres*. Fortified in the rites of her church. Interred 14th July. R.I. P. Sydney papers please copy.
(P.1, The Age, 16-7-1901.)
*Mary Jane-see below.
I'd tried to find the death notice of Joseph Gough, apparently without success. I next tried Mrs J.Gibson. A Margaret Gough whose father was Francis Gough had been born in 1848 at PENTRIDGE.
EventBirth Event registration number2725 Registration year1848
Family nameGOUGH Given namesMargaret SexFemale Father's nameGOUGH Francis Mother's nameMargaret (Unknown) Place of birthPENTRIDGE
She was possibly the one who had married John Gibson in 1870. John would have checked that she was a female!!!
EventMarriage Event registration number1802 Registration year1870
Family nameGOUGH Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Spouse's family nameGIBSON Spouse's given namesJohn
I though I'd found Margaret Gibson's death record but haven't been able to refind it. Let's press on.
Other children of Francis Gough of Pentridge with the mother's name recorded as Margaret (no maiden name or Richards/Rickens/Rickers/Rickards) were, (with Coburg abbreviated to C if this is used instead of Pentridge, and M for Melbourne):
Anna Maria 1850 C; Catherine 1842 M; Francis 1846 P; James Joseph 1844 M; (Margaret as above 1848 P);
John 1854 P; Mary Jane 1860* P; Frances 1852 P.
* EventDeath Event registration number1979 Registration year1912
Family nameSERRES Given namesMary Jane SexUnknown Father's nameGough Francis Mother's nameMargt (Righards) Place of birth Place of deathHberg Age52
Catherine died at P. in 1862 aged 2 (20 of course!). William died at M in 1863 aged 7 (probably born 1856.)There are no death records for the other sons after 1860.
(This could be Bridget's father but there was no death notice to clear up the unknowns.
EventDeath Event registration number9990 Registration year1903
Family nameGOUGH Given namesFrancis SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathHoth E Age84)
As recorded above, a child named Francis was born to Francis and Margaret Gough at Pentridge in 1846 but this is a mistake unless Francis had a brother also living there who had named a son Francis. Francis wouldn't have named this boy Francis if he already had a boy named Francis who did not die until 1847.
EventDeath Event registration number40441 Registration year1847
Family nameGOUGH Given namesFrancis SexMale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathPENTRIDGE Age10 (Parents possibly John George Gough and Sarah as explained below.)
This Francis Gough seems to have been born in about 1844.
EventDeath Event registration number45160 Registration year1852
Family nameGOUGH Given namesFrancis SexMale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathPENTRIDGE Age8
Francis and Margaret had a daughter named Frances born in 1852. Another Frances died in 1847 at Pentridge, having been born in about 1837.
EventDeath Event registration number349 Registration year1847
Family nameGOUGH Given namesFrances SexFemale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathPENTRIDGE Age10
(Perhaps there was a birth record for Bridget Gough who married William Savage. No, the first Gough birth recorded was that of Catherine, daughter of Francis Gough and Margaret Rickens/Rickers born in Melbourne in 1842 as noted above. This would seem to indicate that Francis and Margaret had arrived in 1841 at the earliest.
From GOUGH ENTRIES
Francis Gough 23 hus (8 family) Labourer RC both Galway, came 30 Nov 1841 on the Mary Nixon
Margaret Gough 23 wife of Francis (8 family) Housemaid RC reads Clare, came 30 Nov 1841 on the Mary Nixon
Francis Gough, and Margaret Rickers baptised female Catherine at Roman Catholic St Francis, Melbourne born at Melbourne 1842 # 191
Francis Gough and Margaret Rickards baptised James Joseph 1844, Francis 1846 died
Directory 1847 constable, Pentridge
John Gough wed Sarah Bruce in 1845 at Church of England baptised Martha Elizabeth 1847 Letters unclaimed at Post-Office, Melbourne, 30th April, 1847
William Gough and Ann Mary baptised William 1847
The above confirms the date of arrival and a claim in a court report (when Francis was charged with fraud, the allegation being dismissed), that Francis had been a constable at Pentridge before becoming a humble but respected farmer there, but unfortunately does not establish the correct spelling of Margaret's maiden name.
Whether William Gough was related to Francis or not, he seemed to have moved to Portland by 1847. However John George Gough was at Darebin Creek, not far easy of Pentridge by 1849* and may have been the UNKNOWN father of Francis Gough who died at Pentridge in 1852 aged 8. The maiden name of his wife Sarah was Bruce according to the GOUGH ENTRY.
* EventBirth Event registration number16130 Registration year1849
Family nameGOUGH Given namesJohn George SexMale Father's nameGOUGH John George Mother's nameSarah (Unknown) Place of birthDAREBIN CREEK
PROPOSAL TO RENAME MELBOURNE AIRPORT STREETS AFTER INDIGENOUS, EUROPEAN AND AVIATION PIONEERS CIRCA 1990. (VIC., AUST.)
FROM THE KEILOR ENTRY ON PAGE I-L 52 OF MY DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND.
Rosemary Davidson, librarian, had used the material given to me by descendants of Tullamarine's pioneers for a history week display at the Tullamarine Library in 1989. Anthony Rowhead, an inspector with the Federal Airports Corporation viewed the display and, inspired by it to start a bicentenial project, renaming streets after indigenous, European and aviation pioneers, sought help from Ian Hunter, Wurundjeri researcher, myself and aviation historians. Anthony's letter outlining the final draft may be included with other material I gave to the Hume Global Learning Centre when I moved to Rosebud.
Below are the proposed names, street names or descriptions at the time in brackets, and information supporting the new name. Any comments added are in italics and/or lower case. The information is given as a summary,not verbatim.
AIRPORT DRIVE, (EDGAR JOHNSON DRIVE, AIRPORT ADMINISTRATOR;
MELBOURNE DRIVE, (WOIWURRUNG DRIVE), LOCAL ABORIGINAL TRIBE;
CENTRE ROAD, (BEBEJUNG ROAD), ONE OF THE CHIEFS INVOLVED IN BATMAN'S TREATY. Actually Bebejern, father of William Barak. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Barak ;
GRANTS ROAD, (GRANTS ROAD), REMAINS UNCHANGED John Grant's "Seafield was at Melway 4 H6-7 to 5A7, parts 6,8
SERVICE ROAD, (DUIGAN ROAD), DESIGNED, BUILT AND FLEW FIRST AUSTRALIAN PLANE;
LANDSIDE DRIVE, (BONNEY STREET), FIRST AUSTRALIAN WOMAN TO FLY FROM AUSTRALIA TO ENGLAND;
DEPOT DRIVE, (PRATT STREET), FLYING SCHOOL IN GEELONG 1914, R.A.A.F. PLANE CONSTRUCTION;
EAST STREET, (BROADBENT STREET), RECORD BREAKING FLIGHTS ENGLAND TO AUSTRALIA;
MARKER ROAD, (GLENDURA DRIVE), NAME OF JOHNSON's DAIRY FARM ON WHICH THE ROAD WAS BUILT.Olive Nash had never seen the name of the farm,not far north of her former "Fairview" farm,in writing and had taken a guess at the spelling. I did not know at the time that William Dewar had established the farm;
QUARRY ROAD, (QUARRY ROAD) UNCHANGED;
LINK ROAD, (PARR ROAD), NAMES EARLY PIONEERS, JAMES HENRY AND ANN PARR. JAMES AND HIS SON (Bill of "Annandale,
15 C-D1), SERVED MANY TERMS AS Keilor SHIRE PRESIDENT. Link Rd runs south just inside the western boundary of the farm occupied by James Henry and his other son, Sam;
SOUTH CENTRE ROAD, (CROTTY ROAD), RESIDENTS OF TULLAMARINE FOR OVER A CENTURY.The Crotty dairy farm "Broomfield" was on the south side of the western end of Sharps Rd with Tullamarine Park Rd just inside its eastern and southern boundaries;
OPERATIONS ROAD, (NASH ROAD), RESIDENTS OF THE AREA FOR A CENTURY OR MORE. Charles Nash bought land in the early 1850's at Melway 5 F 5-6 (Fairview) and "Bayview", most of today's Trade Park Industrial Estate and west to part of 5 F 11-12. His son Thomas Nash later had land west of the Crotty farm, between Fosters Rd (now Keilor Park Drive) and the river;
CARGO ROAD, (ANDERSON ROAD), ROBERT FOSTER ANDERSON WAS ONE OF SEVERAL PIONEERS WITH THIS SURNAME. Thomas Anderson was an original trustee of Methodist land and one of the access roads in John Pascoe Fawkner's subdivision of that part of sections 6 and 7 Tullamarine within the airport boundary and opposite Wright St (now Springbank St) was called Anderson's Lane by the locals;
ROAD TO NEW HAWKER HANGAR, (REDDAN ROAD), RESIDENTS OF BULLA FROM 1847 AND OCCUPANTS OF BRIGHTVIEW (15 EF2 to 5 FG11),HILLSIDE (Barrie Rd and Allied Drive area east of the Crotty farm) AND SEAFIELD (John Grant's old farm) FROM THE EARLY 1900's.
PLANT ROAD, (GARWARD ROAD), AIRWAYS ENGINEERING ADMINISTRATOR;
TOWER ROAD, (WINDSOR ROAD), L.W.WINDSOR, RESPONSIBLE FOR PILOT TRAINING;
POWER ROAD, (DOYLE ROAD), AVIATION ADMINISTRATOR AND EARLY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER.COINCIDENTALLY, A DOYLE FAMILY BOUGHT BRIGHTVIEW AFTER THE REDDANS LEFT AND RENAMED IT RISTARO.
AIRWAYS STREET, (WINDSOR STREET), E.W.WINDSOR TRAINED MANY RADIO OPERATORS. It was not very smart proposing the same name for two streets but the aviation historians and Anthony didn't pick this up and I was so absorbed in the early settlers component that I didn't notice it either;
ACCESS ROAD TO F.A.C. ELECTRICAL SERVICES, (GOWRIE PARK DRIVE), SECTION 14 TULLAMARINE (between the terminal building and a northern continuation of McNabs Rd from 4G5 to North Glide Rd) OWNED BY RITCHIES, JAMES LANE ETC., AND USED AS AN EARLY LANDING FIELD CIRCA 1920 DURING LANE'S TENURE. THE FARM WAS CALLED GOWRIE PARK.
Despite the proposal being knocked on the head, Gowrie Park Drive at 5 C5, received its name.
ACCESS ROAD TO FEDERAL POLICE AREA, (MURPHY ROAD), WALTER MURPHY WAS A RENOWNED LEADER OF THE TULLAMARINE COMMUNITY. Known as Major Murphy, although he disliked his former rank being used, W.V.Murphy organised burning of firebreaks, was president of the Tullamarine Progress Association, moved the Broadmeadows Township War Memorial from between the Westmeadows bridge and pub where it was a hazard and cause of bottlenecks to traffic taking the only route, via the Ardlie St hill to Mickleham Rd, the Tullamarine War Memorial from the old Tullamarine S.S. 2613 site on the north corner of Conders Lane just north of Sam Parr's The Elms to the south corner of Dalkeith Avenue, and St Mary's Church of England from the south west corner of Woodlands (yellow part of 177 J9) to 177 B8 in Bulla Village. The Spring St reserve has since been named after Leo Dineen and a plaque on a boulder has been placed in the Melrose Drive Reserve to honour Alec Rasmussen, the other two of Tullamarine's great leaders. Sadly the Major, who was also a great leader in the scout movement was bashed to death by some young thugs.
MELROSE DRIVE, (MELROSE DRIVE), UNCHANGED. Sadly because of airport expansion, many roadways or part thereof such as Grants, McNabs, Mansfields and Barbiston Rds, whose names recalled much Tullamarine history have, or soon will, disappear from maps, which makes it hard to precisely indicate property boundaries. This has recently happened to the Mt.Macedon/Deep Creek/Bulla/Lancefield road, which was again renamed after Jimmy Melrose not too long after the Airport opened. See:
Biography - Charles James (Jimmy) Melrose - Australian Dictionary of ...
Charles James (Jimmy) Melrose (1913-1936), aviator, was born on 13 September 1913 at Burnside, Adelaide, only child of James Melrose (d.1922), pastoralist, ..
CLEAR PHOTOS OF MR.A.McDOUGALL AND MR.H.DELAHEY, JUDGES AT AN R.A.S.V. EVENT IN 1920 AT MELBOURNE SHOWGROUNDS.
TWO WELL-KNOWN JUDGES.
The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) Saturday 2 October 1920 p 29 Article Illustrated
It is likely that these two men were relatives. Alexander McDougall, son of renowned Shorthorn Cattle breeder, Robert McDougall, was an expert horseman, having been the inaugural Master of the Oaklands Hunt from 1888 until he moved to Camperdown in 1900. Moving to W.A.in 1907 he became a stipendiary steward, soon after becoming chairman of stipendiary stewards, retaining the position until he retired in 1928. He died in W.A. in 1937.
There is no proof that the judge was the same A.McDougall and it seems strange that a West Australian would be a well known judge in Melbourne or even be in Melbourne but I believe that Alexander and Jane (nee Forrester) may have visited Melbourne every show week to touch base with relatives and old friends.Alexander's father had been the Secretary of the Moonee Ponds Farmers' Society in 1847 when it changed its name to the Port Phillip Farmers' Society so when this body became the Royal Agricultural Society, Alexander would have been no stranger to its members.
Harry Huntington Peck made a rare mistake in MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN when he stated that Henry Delahey had married a daughter of Robert McDougall. Henry Delahey Snr. had married Mary Dodd and his co-grantee of section 10 Doutta Galla, George Dodd, had a son named Robert, a prominent journalist on agriculture, who married Robert McDougall's daughter, Maggie. As the two judges appear to be about the same age, I believe that H.Delahey in the photo was Henry Delahey Jnr.
This journal arose from my effort to find out about Robert Dodd who had married Robert McDougall's daughter Maggie. I suspected that he was George Dodd's son. Little did I know that George had come out with at least two brothers-and a sister! When I was compiling Dodd/ Delahey information from the three Keilor historical souvenirs I had not come across Ray Dodd's research and it turns out that he arrived with his mother, four brothers and three sisters.
On Monday, at the ordinary meeting of
the shire council of Darebin, the presi-
dent formally announced the death of
Cr. Dodd, and moved, " That this council
adjourn for one week out of respect to
the memory of the late councillor, Robert
Dodd, and that an entry he recorded in the
minutes expressive of this council's in-
tense regret at the loss of one of its
oldest members and brightest ornaments."
The resolution was carried unanimously.
The following resolution was also carried : —
"That a copy of the foregoing resolution,
under the seal of the council, be forwarded
to the two brothers of the deceased, viz.,
Cr. Geo. Dodd, of Keilor Shire Council, and
Mr. William Dodd, formerly member of the
late Epping Road Board, and that the presi-
dent be requested to forward a letter of con-
dolence to those gentlemen, expressing to
them the heartfelt sympathies of this council
for their sad bereavement." (P.2, The Age, 18-5-1876.)
THE DAREBIN COUNCILLOR'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number5425 Registration year1876
Family nameDODD Given namesRobert SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnane) Place of birthIREL Place of death Age56 Spouse's family nameJOYCE Spouse's given namesAnne
Robert Dodd had married Ann Joyce* in 1850.
EventMarriage Event registration number791 Registration year1850
Family nameDODD Given namesRobert SexMale Spouse's family nameJOYCE Spouse's given namesAnne
HIS DEATH NOTICE.
DODD.—On the 7th inst, at his residency, Epping,
Mr. Robert Dodd, much respected R.I.P. (P.1, Argus, 8-5-1876.)
After Robert's death, Ann remarried as indicated by a death notice I found while investigating whether George Dodd's missing brother might be named John.
DODD.— On the 9th August at the residence of his
stepfather, G. A. Saxe, No. 91 Johnston-street,
Fitzroy, John Dodd son of the late Robert Dodd, of
Epping, of congestion of the lungs, aged 27 years.(P.1, The Age, 10-8-1882.)
ANN'S SECOND MARRIAGE.
EventMarriage Event registration number1396 Registration year1879
Family nameDODD Given namesAnnie SexFemale Spouse's family nameSAXE Spouse's given namesGeorge Augustus
Advertisement giving details of Robert Dodd's Epping farms. Neither of his brothers were executors.
BROTHER GEORGE; NOTE PARENTS.
EventDeath Event registration number4891 Registration year1884
Family nameDODD Given namesGeorge SexUnknown Father's nameWm Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnan) Place of birth Place of deathKEILOR Age74 Spouse's family nameCOFFEE Spouse's given namesMary
Well, for Victorian BDM, 2 out of 3 aint bad!
As it was not unknown for migrations of pioneers to take them farther from Melbourne along the same arterial roads, such as pioneers near Moorabbin moving to the Mornington Peninsula, it is possible that William moved from Epping to Alexandra in the 1870's and that this is the obituary of his son.
-Friday, May 1, 1942
The death occurred in Melbourne
on April 23, of Mr. William Dodd,
at the age of 77 years. Deceased
was a well known identity of Alex
andra and district, having come to
Alexandra with his parents, Mr.
and Mrs. William Dodd, and lived
here until a few months ago. He
was well respected throughout the
Shire. WM JNR
WILLIAM JNR'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number3931 Registration year1942
Family nameDODD Given namesWilliam SexMale Father's nameDODD William Mother's nameMary (Barrett) Place of birthCAMPBELLFIELD Place of deathNORTHCOTE Age77
See the proximity of Campbellfield and Epping on Melway maps 180-1. The place of birth given was usually where the birth was registered.
WILLIAM JNR'S BIRTH RECORD.
EventBirth Event registration number20753 Registration year1865
Family nameDODD Given namesWilliam SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameMary (Barrett) Place of birthCAMP.
Bearing in mind that there is not yet definite proof that William Snr was the brother of George and Robert, the family had arrived in the early 1840's and he married Mary Barrett in 1854.
EventMarriage Event registration number3318 Registration year1854
Family nameDODD Given namesWilliam SexMale Spouse's family nameBARRETT Spouse's given namesMary
INTERESTINGLY, there was a Cr. Barrett at Keilor in 1907.
KEILOR SHIRE COUNCIL.
The monthly meeting of the above was
held on Saturday last, when there were
present Crs. Taylor (President), Dela-
hey, Harrick, McNabb, O'Neill, Dodd,
and Barrett. (P.3, Sunbury News, 13-4-1907.)
GEORGE DODD'S SISTER.
McIntyre Road honours James McIntyre an early grantee in the parish of Cut Cut Paw across the river from the south west corner of the Dodd/ Delahey land in section 10, Doutta Galla so my eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw that a Bridget Dodd had married James McEntyre. (Don't the Victorian BDM typists proof read their work? Perhaps that's how it was written in the original document and they have to reproduce it exactly.) Notice her parents are as for Robert and George.
EventDeath Event registration number5710 Registration year1885
Family nameMCINTYRE Given namesBridget SexUnknown Father's nameDodd Wm Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnan) Place of birth Place of deathMAIDSTONE Age65 Spouse's family nameMCINTYRE Spouse's given namesJames
History of the Keilor Hotel
George Dodd arrived in Australia in 1840 aboard the sailing ship Andromache. The colony was 5 years old with a population of just 5000 people He travelled with his mother, three brothers and four sisters. He was 25 years old and single, a stonemason from King’s County Ireland.
He became head quarryman supplying stone to build the first Princess bridge, that bridge was demolished in 1891 (the year of George’s death) to make way for the current Princess bridge. He scoured the colony to find a suitable quarry and ended up in Keilor. The quarry is still operating today (160 years later*) and naturally he built the first stone house in Keilor. He raised money and oversaw the building in stone of St Augustine’s Church in Keilor.
*That must have been the Niddrie Quarry.
Valley Lake - Places Victoria
During the 1970s the Niddrie Quarry in Melbourne's north western suburbs ceased operating and remained vacant for several decades.
George established the first school in Keilor, several years later Mathew Goudie opened a school in the Keilor Hotel. Mathew was a Scottish baker from Ayr who had previously run a bakers shop in Bourke St. Mathew purchased the Keilor Hotel in 1862 for the sum of 1000 pounds, it had been built in 1849, succeeding a timber building erected in 1842 by the Hunter brothers.
Georges son, John, married Mathews daughter, Mary, they had five children and established a farm called Brimbank (because the house was on the brim of the river bank). Today the areas of Keilor and Sunshire are the City of Brimbank.
After Mathew passed away another of his daughters, Jane, ran the Hotel to 1907 when the family decided to lease the Hotel out. Tough times followed with World war 1 and the Great Depression, John & Mary’s son Harry could remember collecting the money from the leasee and picking up 1 keg of beer from Bouverie St in his fathers horse drawn wagon, the keg could last 2 weeks before they had to make another delivery.
Post World War 2 prosperity returned to Keilor and to the only surviving hotel in the area (there were a dozen during the Gold Rush). Now the older generations of the Dodd and Goudie families had passed away, Harry preferred to remain a market gardener and it wasn’t until 1974 that Harry’s son Ray leased the Hotel from the family.
Over the next 20 years Ray managed to acquire all the shares in the Hotel. The clock had turned full circle and he was in the same position as his Great Grand Father was in 1862 but with the responsibility to carry on the tradition of Hospitality left by his family.
When I was asked to comment on the proposal to name a new suburb DELAHEY, I was pleased to offer information in support.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Delahey originally contained several farming properties. The Government acquired the land in the mid-to-late 1980s for re-subdivision as mostly residential properties. The suburb is named after William Delahey, who whilst still a baby, had arrived from Ireland with his parents and siblings Henry Delahey and Mary (née Dodd) in June 1840. Mr. William Delahey had been connected with the Keilor Shire Council for eighteen years and was elected as president during the year 1882–83. The suburb's name was formally adopted in 1994.
The Dodd/ Delahey clan included several other pioneering Catholic families such as the McCormacks, and through them, Maurice Crotty of Broomfield (now the Tullamarine Industrial Estate whose main thoroughfare is Tullamarine Park Rd) and the daughter of William O'Neil of "Horseshoe Bend". Ann Delahey married Patrick McCormack. I hope they had a good reunion! Any Crottys would have told the story of Maurice Crotty's wife racing to Corryong and saving the life of her brother(s?) by placing her body in the way of aborigines from Keilor intent on revenge. The Fitzpatricks of today's Avondale Heights, accessed then by North Pole Road, were also related. The McCoormacks had fled Tasmania to escape arrest for smuggling in Catholic priests according to a Crotty descendant (Glen Cotchen?)who said the McCormack property was Chesterfield of 44 acres south of Annandale Rd to about today's Lambeck Drive, which they would have been leasing from George Annand.
Subject: McCormack Family Reunion - Looking for relatives - Keilor
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:48:55 +1100
Sorry I can't help myself I'm very excited - we are finally organising a
family reunion. I would love to hear from any of the descendants of the
families listed below. The family first came to Victoria in about 1850
after spending 12 years or so in Tasmania. They settled in the Keilor
District and many of the family married into other local pioneering
families. Many of the family memebers also spend a lot of time up on the
high country around Corryong/Omeo and lived on a station called
If any of these names around the Keilor district mean anything to you please
drop me a line.
MARY MCCORMACK was born Abt. 1826 in Co Westmeath, IRL, and died 6 October
1887 in Tullamarine, Vic, AUS. She married MAURICE JAMES CROTTY 11 February
1861 at the House Of Mr McCormack, Keilor, Vic, AUS, son of MICHAEL CROTTY
and BRIDGET HAYES.
Their children were: MICHAEL PATRICK CROTTY (m. JOHANNA FITZGERALD, JAMES
MAURICE CROTTY (m. ELLEN CATHERINE FITZPATRICK) & MARY ANNE CROTTY (m. JOHN
PATRICK MCCORMACK was born Abt. 1829 in Co Westmeath, IRL, and died 22
January 1894 in Hoddle Street, Melbourne, Vic, AUS. He married ANN DELAHEY
Abt. 1860, daughter of HENRY DELAHEY and MARY DODD.
Patrick & Ann did not have any children.
JAMES MCCORMACK was born Abt. 1831 in Co Westmeath, IRL, and died 12 January
1916 in Tylden, Vic, AUS. He married MARY ANN O'NEIL 3 December 1860 in
Keilor, Vic, AUS at the Home Of William O'Neil, daughter of WILLIAM O'NEIL
and BRIDGET GORMAN.
Their children were: PATRICK WILLIAM MCCORMACK (m. MARGARET STOCKDALE),
SARAH ANN MCCORMACK (m. CHARLES GEORGE BARR), JAMES MCCORMACK (m. CATHERINE
ELIZABETH SMITH), DAVID NEIL MCCORMACK (m. LOUISA MARIA HILL), EDWARD ALFRED
MCCORMACK (m. BARBARA ANN MCDONALD), HENRY MCCORMACK (m. MARY ANN SMITH),
ALICE BRIDGET MCCORMACK (m. EDMOND CUSACK), FRANCIS JOHN MCCORMACK, GEORGE
MCCORMACK (m. EMILY ELLEN DONOVAN), SYDNEY FRANCIS MCCORMACK, CHARLES
STANLEY MCCORMACK (m. ABENA LILLLIAN WILSON), EMMA MARY EVELYN MCCORMACK &
EDITH GERTRUDE MCCORMACK (m. ARTHUR SMITH).
The Dodds and Delaheys seem to have run Oakleigh Park as a partnership.
ELECTION NOTICE.-KEILOR DISTRICT
ROAD BOARD.-I hereby give notice that the
following persons have been duly NOMINATED, in
accordance with the clause No 84 of the Local Govern-
ment Act, as CANDIDATES for the office of members
at the election for this district to be holden on the
11th August, 1804.
Patrick Phelan, Spring Park
Gcorgo Dodd, Oakleigh Park.
Dugald McPhail, South Park.
The number of members to be elected is two.
The election will be held at the Court-house,
Keilor, on Thursday the 11th August inst., commencing
at 8 a.m. , and closing at 4 p.m.
TOWNSEND SOMERVILLE, Returning Officer.
Keilor, August 4 (P.3, Argus, 9-8-1864.)
DELAHEY. -On the 12th inst., at her residence,
Oakleigh Park Keilor, Mrs. Mary Delahey, aged 65
years. RI.P. (P.1, Argus, 13-9-1876.)
I'm not sure exactly what the eastern boundary of Oakleigh Park was. Was it just in c/a 10 or did it include land in c/a 11A. But I know exactly where Shelton Farm was.
The Dodd and Delahey families owned the northern two thirds of crown allotments of crown allotment 11A Doutta Galla (between Milleara Rd and the line of Westleigh Place)and land west from there to the river in c/a 10, but I was puzzled to find an assessment for one of the Delaheys for land on 11B. This land,bounded by Milleara, Clarks and Rachelle Rds and Buckley St had been purchased by John Pascoe Fawkner and sold to his co-op. members, part of it housing Dr Crooke's sanitorium for a while, but eventually about two thirds of it became John Beale's "Shelton". When John retired to "Shelton" in Ardmillan Rd, Moonee Ponds, James Anderson, another Keilor pioneer, occupied the "North Pole Road" farm during the first half of the 1890's and Henry Delahey probably succeeded him when Anderson moved to James Wilson's old farm on the west side of today's Hoffman's Rd.
DELAHEY.—On the 18th April, at the residence
of his son, Mr. H. Delahey, "Shelton Farm,"
North Pole road, Keilor, William Delahey, aged
89 years. Requiescat in pace. (P.1, Argus, 20-4-1908.)
See c/a's 10, 11A and 11B on the first of the Doutta Galla Parish maps. The Lauricella and Graco closer settlement farms were part of the Dodd and Delahey 588 acre grant of c/a 10. You will also see the Fitzpatrick farm at the end of North Pole Rd.
GEORGE DODD'S MOTHER AND SIBLINGS.
Loughnane - Birr, Co. Offaly Ireland
cathie (View posts)
Posted: 15 Jan 2001 11:01AM
I'm doing a little research on my great-great- great grandmother who was Margaret Loughnane.
According to the 1821 census at Ballybrit Barony. Margaret was 37, and married to William Dodd aged 39. They had 8 children George (15), Mary* (14), John (12), Margaret (10), Bridget (8), Robert (7), William (4), and Jane (2).
(*AHA! It was Mary, George's sister, who married Henry Delahey Snr., joint grantee with George of section 10, Doutta Galla. Her death record shows that she had the same parents as George Dodd and his brothers Robert and William. Her birth place was possibly King's County, Ireland.
EventDeath Event registration number9285 Registration year1876
Family nameDELAHEY Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameDodd William Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnane) Place of birthKING Place of death Age65 Spouse's family nameDELAHEY Spouse's given namesHenry)
John married Mary McSweeney* and came to Australia in 1840.
(Hoping to find where George's brother John had died, I found Mary's death record but as Murphy's Law would dictate, the one detail missing was her place of death!
EventDeath Event registration number5288 Registration year1859
Family nameDODD Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameMcsweeney John Mother's nameEliza (Horan) Place of birthKIN Place of death Age38 Spouse's family nameDODD Spouse's given namesJohn
Despite the lack of a given name in the funeral notice of John Dodd's wife and the lack of a death notice, I believe the whereabouts of George Dodd's third brother has been found.
THE Friends of Mr. JOHN DODD are respectfully
invited to follow the remains of his late wife to
the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery
The funeral to move from his residence, Yarra Falls
near Dight's Mills, to-morrow, Friday, at 2 o'clock
JOHN DALEY, undertaker, La Trobe and Spring
streets, Melbourne. Page 8, Argus, 15-9-1859.
THE Friends of Mr. JOHN DODD are respectfully
invited to follow the remains of his late son, John,
to the place of Internment, Melbourne General Ceme-
tery. The funeral to move from his residence. Yarra
Falls, near Dight's Mills, this day, Friday, 25th inst,
at 3 o'olock p.m.
JOHN DALEY, undertaker, La Trobe and Spring
streets, Melbourne.) Page 8, Argus, 25-10-1861.
Unfortunately there was no birth record of John and Mary's son William*- see below-who must have been born in Ireland.However,disguised by Mary's maiden name being recorded as SWEENY, they did have a child born at Merri Creek and as shown at Melway 44 F3, the junction of Merri Creek and the Yarra is right near DIGHT'S FALLS. I wonder if they were on the land where William Thomas made his last efforts to save his beloved indigenous friends from extinction.
EventBirth Event registration number41878 Registration year1848
Family nameDODD Given namesMary SexFemale Father's nameDODD John Mother's nameMary (Sweeny) Place of birthMERRI CREEK
It could take years to find which of the countless references to JOHN DODD on trove after 1861 apply to George's brother.
*John married Mary McSweeney (also born in Ireland) and emmigrated to Australia in 1840.
Their son William Dodd married Margaret Ritchie in New Zealand in 1886. He is my great grandfather.
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I'm interested in finding out info on the Loughnane side and what happened to Margaret and William and the rest of their children.
Re: Loughnane - Birr, Co. Offaly Ireland
Christine Perkins (View posts)
Posted: 28 Dec 2013 08:29PM
Surnames: Dodd Loughnane
You have probably already discovered the following Cathie, but just in case.
Your (any my) great great great grandmother Margaret (Loughnane) Dodd immigrated to Australia with her children after her husband William died. She arrived on the ship Andromache in Jun 1840. She died in Melbourne in 1852. Her children settled as farmers in various places north of Melbourne, Keilor, Campbellfield, and later Benalla and Cashel. Some of her descendants still live in those areas but of course the families have spread far and wide by now.
MAGGIE McDOUGALL AND HER FUTURE HUSBAND GREW UP ABOUT HALF A MILE APART.
During the 1860's, Maggie's father, Robert McDougall was leasing the Aitken Estate, section 8 of the parish of Doutta Galla each side of where the Maribyrnong River comes within 240 metres of Buckley St. The north west corner of section 8 is opposite the south end of Rachelle Rd. The south east corner of section 10 Doutta Galla granted to George Dodd and Henry Delahey, Robert Dodd's father and uncle, was near Rita Court, just west of Arcade Way. His father and uncle were granted the northern two third of 11A, north of Lauricella St. and West Gateway which would be slightly closer, 1500 metres. We should make a history series about the countless brides and grooms who grew up near each other, and perhaps call it NEIGHBOURS!!!
The following confirms my suspicion that Robert Dodd was George's son. My word, Keilor can claim some renowned journalists as early residents: Edward Wilson, Donald Macdonald, C.P.Blom and ROBERT DODD.
MR. ROBERT DODD : FOR MANY YEARS AGRICULTURAL EDITOR OF
" THE AUSTRALASIAN."
Died July 14 at his residence, Mandeville-crescent, Toorak.
MR. ROBERT DODD.
THE DEATH OF A POPULAR
We have to record with deep regret the
loss of a valued member of "The Austral-
asian" staff—Mr. Robert H. Dodd, agricul-
tural editor, who died at his residence.
Mandeville-crescent, Toorak, on Friday
night, the 14th July, aged 56. He had been
connected with this journal for 14 years,and
was widely known throughout Victoria and
the other States as a man whose experience,
soundness of judgment, and uprightness of
character placed him among the first in his
branch of the profession. In his earlier
days Mr. Dodd had had a great deal of
practical acquaintance with farming and
dairying—he was the second son of the late
Mr. George Dodd, of The Oaks, Keilor—
and there was very little touching the rural
industries on which he was not able to give
a reliable opinion. Apart from his profi-
ciency as an agricultural expert, he had
other qualities which won him in a singular
degree the liking—rather the affection—of
all who came into contact with him. Every
acquaintance came quickly to look upon him
as a friend. Quiet and equable in his man-
ner he had a never-failing spring of humour,
which made him the pleasantest of conver-
sationalists and raconteurs. As his gift for
mimicry and witticism was wedded to the
kindliest disposition, no one was wounded
ever so slightly by the mirth be made; in-
deed, no man could be more considerate
than he to the feelings of others. There
was much virility and determination in his
character—he was a strong man, with well
defined views en most matters, yet the free
expression of them never appeared to make
him enemies. The wide circle who valued
him as a genial companion and warm-
hearted friend had watched for some years
past the courageous fight he made against
a severe malady which attacked him, neces-
sitating two surgical operations. His in-
domitable resolution bad a great deal to do
with the recovery be made. The heart was,
however, affected, and be succumbed to a
siezure which occurred some four or five
days before his death. Although his medi-
cal adviser. Dr. E. Barrett, had hopes of a
rally, a relapse occurred on Friday evening
last week, and the end came suddenly. Mr.
Dodd leaves a widow, who was Miss Mar-
garet M'Dougall, daughter of the late Mr.
Robert M'Dougall of Arundel, Keilor, one
of the pioneer breeders of shorthorn cattle
The funeral of the deceased took place in
the Melbourne Cemetery on Sunday, and
was attended by a very large gathering of
journalistic friends and members of the
Yorick Club, of which Mr. Dodd was a most
popular member. The burial service was
read by the Rev. Dr. Marshall. The chief
mourner was Mr. John Dodd, a brother of
the deceased gentleman, and the pall-bear-
ers were Mr. David Watterston (the re-
presentative of the Edward Wilson estate
on "The Argus" proprietary), Dr. E. S.
Cunningham (editor of "The Argus"), Mr.
E. T. Fricker (editor of "The Austral-
Fix this textasian"), Mr. W. Moxon Cook (sporting
editor of "The Australasian"), Mr. H.
Burrell (printer of "The Argus"), Dr. E.
Barrett, Mr. W. Davidson (inspector-gene-
ral of Public Works), and Mr. W. J.
Fookes. Among other old friends and col-
leagues present were Messrs. D. H. Maling,
Donald Macdonald, George Bell, F. M.
Robinson, and F. W. Lydiard. (P.32, The Australasian, 22-7-1911.)
I was going to send my information to the people who had posted on ancestry forums and helped my research so greatly- until I read this. How dare these rogues charge people for information that has been provided for free. If they'd asked me on FAMILY TREE CIRCLES for help they'd HAVE GOT ASSISTANCE FOR NOTHING.
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BITS AND PIECES.
I finally got around to reading the Brimbank, Delahey and Dodd entries in my Dictionary History of Tullamarine and Miles Around written in late 1989 and early 1990 from multiple sources, but not the internet of course. I found several references that I just searched for, without success, on trove. For example, the Dodd Brothers had established the Keilor Dairy in St.James Street,Moonee Ponds in 1891 according to the Essendon Gazette.
The 1868 Bailliere directory for Keilor listed John and Robert Dodd of Mount Rivers. I found no reference to such a farm on trove and it could not have been part of section 10 Doutta Galla, known only as Oakleigh Park with the Dodd southern 294 acres later being dubbed The Oaks. My conclusion therefore is the same that I came to in 1990, that Mt Rivers was all or part of the land in the parish of Maribyrnong granted to Henry Delahey's wife, Mary, George Dodd's sister. (The link for the Maribyrnong parish map is given in my final comment about Mary and George's sister, Margaret, who married Richard Fitzgerald.) Whether the said residents of Mt. Rivers were George's brothers is not my concern at the moment. I have made the statement that the Dodds and Delaheys were concerned in the doings on both sides of the river, which explains why this fellow was killed on Ballarat Rd. Many references to the Dodd family may be similarly disguised.
Raymond Richard Dodds, 26, dairy
farmer, of Keilor, was killed when a
motor cycle he was riding came into col
lision with a motor car on Ballarat
Road, near Sunshine. (P.8, Weekly Times, 26-5-1934.)
I couldn't find a death record for RAYMOND RICHARD DODD in 1934, so I deleted the given names.
EventDeath Event registration number4248 Registration year1934
Family nameDODD Given namesRichard Ray SexMale Father's nameDODD John Mother's nameMary (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathSUNSHINE Age27
I presume that his mother was Mary or Marie(Goudie) and he was born on "Brimbank" about two years before her death on 14-11-1909, aged just 42*. (P.1, Argus, 15-11-1909.)
DODD. –On the 18th May result of an acci-
dent, Richard Ray, loved youngest son of John
and the late Mary Dodd, of Brimbank Keilor,
and loving brother of Doris, George, John, and
Henry, aged 27 years.--R.I.P.(P.1, Argus, 21-5-1934.)
John Dodd died in 1945 and luckily his son Henry, known as Harry, stated writing a history of Brimbank, the Dodds, Goudies and Delaheys, continued by Harry's son, Raymond who later bought the Keilor Hotel and filled it with historical photos. The motor cyclist was obviously referred to by his second given name.
DODD.-On March 28, John Dodd, of
Brimbank Keilor, beloved husband of the
late Mary, and loved father of Doris, George,
John, Henry, and Raymond (deceased).
-Requiescat in pace. (P.2, Argus, 29-3-1945.)
This journal is about George Dodd and his siblings so I have not ventured into detailing their descendants but, as you will probably have guessed, John was George's son.
EventDeath Event registration number2816 Registration year1945
Family nameDODD Given namesJohn SexMale Father's nameDODD George Mother's nameMary (Coffey) Place of birthKEILOR Place of deathFITZROY Age81
The Brimbank Homestead is beautifully restored, as shown here.
Some of the information given by Harry and/or Ray Dodd, include detail about the stone walls used to separate paddocks, Richard's Lookout (probably on section 20, named after Richard Delahey), a later transition to market gardening (like the Borrells of Gumm's Corner) and John Dodd building a suspension footbridge across the river from Brimbank to the school- a photo of this bridge exists somewhere.
The school was between the river and Bonfield St at the top of the Bonfield Reserve from 1875 for about seventy years until relocating to the bottom of the reserve where the Church of England school had operated in earlier days. Therefore John Dodd's footbridge was probably below today's Garden Avenue with the children accessing the school via Horseshoe Bend Rd.
Donald Macdonald and George Dodd's son, Robert, (who married Maggie McDougall),must have attended the Church of England School unless they went to St.Augustine's School."The Anglican and Catholic churches opened schools in 1853." (http://www.victorianplaces.com.au/keilor) A different obituary for Robert Dodd (P.4, Benalla Standard, 18-7-1911)than the one included above seems certain that Donald and Robert attended the same school.
"Mr. Dodd, who for years resided at Sama-
ria (where he may be said to have gradu-
ated as a journalist, as correspondent for
the ' Standard'), was the second eldest
son of the late Mr. Ceorge Dodd, of 'The
Oaks,' Keilor, and was induced to adopt
journalism as a profession on the urgent
representations of an old friend and
schoolfellow, Mr.Donald Macdonald."
Donald would seem to have attended the state school according to his obituary below*, or rather the common school which the C. of E. school might have become in 1862. If I remember correctly William Savage taught at St Augustine's until state aid was withdrawn,and ran night classes to supplement his income. (I have no idea of the source of this information about William Savage. It may have come from the Keilor State School entry in Vision and Realisation published to celebrate the centenary of the Education Department circa 1972 or articles by Chris Laskowski in Keilor Historical Society newsletters during the early 1990's, compiled from articles that are obviously not on trove, where the only mention of William Savage, teacher, follows the name of George Dodd, as a donor to Catholic fundraising in 1868. At least this shows that William was a Roman Catholic. Page I-L43 of my dictionary history of Tullamarine and miles around has the following entry:
William Savage, the teacher at St. Augustine's school, became the first teacher at Keilor's state school in Bonfield St. on 5-7-1875.)
"Donald Alaster Macdonald (1859?-1932), journalist and Nature writer, was born probably on 6 June 1859 at Fitzroy, Melbourne, elder son of Donald Macdonald and his wife Margaret, née Harris. His father farmed near Keilor, but after their mother died Donald and his brother lived with an aunt in the town. He was educated at the local state school, becoming a pupil-teacher in 1876 "(adb.anu.edu.au/biography/macdonald-donald-alaster-7335)
THE LATE MR. ROBERT
The remains of the late Mr. Robert
McDougall, who died at Ellora, Moonee
Ponds, on Saturday last, were buried at yester-
day in the Melbourne General Cemetery. The
funeral service was read by the Rev. H.
McKail of Bulla, the deceased being in-
terred in the Presbyterian division, imme-
diately in the rear of the grave of the late
James McPherson Grant. Amongst those
who attended the funeral were nearly all the
members of the council of the National Agric-
ultural Society of Victoria, of which body the
late Mr McDougall was a few years since an
active member. Many residents of the Keilor
district, where Mr. McDougall had lived for
some 15 years past, also took part in
the last rites. The pall bearers were all
relatives of the deceased, amongst them
being his only son, Mr. A McDougall; his
father-in-law, Mr. E.(*sic) Rankin, of Ascotvale;
and his sons-in-law, Messrs. A. Cameron and
A. Smith. The late Mr. McDougall was born
on the 16th April, 1813 on a cold sheep farm
at the foot of Shiechallion, in the parish of
Fortingall, Perthshire. The first 17 years of
his life were spent on the farm, and then he
removed to the western isles of Inverness
and Ross, where he remained for six years.
At that time the immense fishing capabilities
of the seas in which these isles are situated
were unknown, save to a few sportsmen.
Here Mr. McDougall, who was an
enthusiastic fisherman, spent his time
pleasantly enough fishing and otter hunting.
In 1836 he sailed for Canada, and for three
years lived on the Huron Track, then a new
settlement. He did not take to Canadian
life, and returned to his native land. Finding
that many of his acquaintances had, during
his absence, departed for Australia, he decided
to follow their example, and emigrate.
After a 16 weeks voyage, he landed in Port
Phillip in November, 1841. He found the
pastoral interest in a very depressed
condition, owing to the sudden and great
depreciation in the value of both live stock
and wool. Soon after landing Mr. McDougall
undertook the management of the herd of
cattle kept by Messrs. T. and S. Learmonth,
at Ercildoune. Like most Highlanders he
was an expert manager of cattle, and in 1848
he commenced cattle-breeding on his own
account, renting a portion of the Glenroy
estate from the late D. Kennedy, and his
first stock were a dozen well-bred heifers,
which he bought from Messrs. Gardiner and
Fletcher, of Mooroolbark. The prosperity
consequent upon the discovery of gold in
Victoria gave him
the opportunity he had looked for,
and in 1853 he went to Tasmania, and
bought the two Auroras, mother and daugh-
ter, from the late Mr. Theodore Bartley, of
Launceston, whose stock were from the Van
Diemen's Land Company's stud. In 1855 he again went to Tasmania, and bought from the Van Dieman's Land Company eight very fine cows,
and from these are descended the finest
animals in the Arundel herd. From Cona,
Mr.McDougall removed to a property near
Essendon, which he rented from the late
Mr. Aitken, who came to the colonies in the
same vessel as Mr. McDougall. Another
fellow passenger was the late Mr. David
McLaws, of Tower-hill, near Koroit, and it is
a notable thing that several of the passengers
by this ship, who came to Australia equipped
with little more than stout hearts and
willing hands, all became successful colonists,
and died wealthy. About 16 years ago Mr.
McDougall purchased the Arundel estate
from the late Mr. Edward Wilson, and he
resided there till a few days before his death.
The story of his life from 1853 is a record of
the stud herd he founded; a herd that is
favourably known to cattle-breeders through-
out the wide bounds of Australia. When the
prospect looked darkest for the owners of
cattle, Mr. McDougall never relaxed
in his efforts to improve his herd by the
importation of the best blood he could secure
in the old country. In 1859, Mr. McDougall
visited England, and purchased some stud
bulls, but in this, as well as several other
shipments, he had more or less misfortune
through high-priced animals dying on the
passage to the colonies. He was in England
a second time in 1870, when he bought from
Mr. T.C. Booth, of Warlaby, the white bull
Field Marshall Booth, then a calf, and Major
Booth, both of which sires proved of immense
value in the Arundel herd. His last import-
ation was in 1883, when he brought out the
Farewell bull Sir Roderick, which soon after
arrival took champion prize at the National
Agricultural Society's show in Melbourne. Mr.
McDougall was a thoroughly skilled stock
breeder, and had made a careful study of the
subject for the greater portion of his life. He
had great knowledge and experience, and on
all matters relating to cattle breeding he held
strong opinions, which in public controv-
ersy he was apt to urge with more force of
language than those opposed to him liked.
For over 40 years of his life his best efforts
were given to improve the breed of cattle in
his adopted country, and owing to his energy,
skill and great judgement he achieved a great
success. For a short time Mr. McDougall
sat in the Victorian Parliament**, but politics
were not to his taste, and it is as a breeder
of stud shorthorns that for many a year to
come the name of Robert McDougall will be
familiar 'as a household word' with the
breeders of high-class cattle in Australia. For
many months past Mr. McDougall has been
in failing health. He was in his 75th year, and
leaves a widow and six children, one son and
five daughters, to mourn their loss. (P.9, Argus, 29-6-1887.)
*EventDeath Event registration number1516 Registration year1913
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesMargt SexUnknown Father's nameRankin Jno Mother's nameJean (Cance) Place of birth Place of deathEsdon Age79
**MLA West Bourke 1st Nov 1856 1st Aug 1857 Resigned
At Roseneath Cottage, near Flemington, on Wed-
nesday, 20th inst., by special license, by the Rev.
John Reid, Minister of St. John's Presbyterian Church,
Doutta Galla, Robert McDougall, Esq., of Glenroy, to
Margaret, eldest daughter of John Rankin, Esq. (P.4, Argus, 26-7-1853.)
McDOUGALL - On the 16th February, at her home,
"Corswall," Moonee Ponds, Margaret widow of
the late Robert McDougall, of "Arundel,"
Keilor, aged 78 years. (P.1, Argus, 18-2-1913.)
John Rankin was one of the earliest residents of Kensington and was the grantee of land at the south corner of Princes Street (later renamed Rankins Road) and Macaulay Rd. Roseneath Cottage provided a pleasant view of Edward Byam Wight's "The Ridge" at the top of Kensington Hill but by the time that Peter Eadie of Ben Eadie at Sunbury became his brother-in-law, the view was interrupted by the Kensington Railway Station.
EADIE--RANKIN.--On tho 24th inst., at Roseneath-
cottage, Kensington, by the Rev. A.D. Kininmont,
Union Church, North Melbourne, Peter Eadie, Esq.,
merchant, Sunbury, to Jane, second daughter of
John Rankin, Esq., Kensington.(P.4, Argus, 25-2-1864.)
Thus Robert McDougall was the uncle of Robert Eadie, who not only saved Winston Churchill's life during the Boer war but set up the platypus habitat at the Healeville Sanctuary.
The obituary stated that Robert McDougall had one son and five daughters. As indicated below they were:
SON. Alexander McDougall, married Jessie Forrester.
DAUGHTERS. 1.Caroline, married Alexander Cameron; 2. Jeannie (Jane) married Sandy Smith; 3. Maggie, married Robert Dodd; 4. Grace (d.1940 aged 77 unmarried.) 5.Helena, youngest daughter, d. 1950 aged 79 unmarried.
Birth records of children (1854-1879) born to Robert and Margaret. Victorian BDM has only three records, as below. There are 8 records for Alexander McDougall but none with the right parents named.There were no Carolines. There was only one result for Helena, with the wrong parents named. I'm sure that Robert, author of the shorthorn stud book, would have registered the births of these three, so the lack of them on the index would seem to be the fault of Victorian BDM.
EventBirth Event registration number372 Registration year1856
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesJane SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankine) Place of birthGLENROY
EventBirth Event registration number17766 Registration year1860
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthGLEN
EventBirth Event registration number20589 Registration year1862
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesGrace SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthESSE
While at Glenroy, Robert stood for parliament, not being afraid to take on his landlord, Donald Kennedy.
The only other election on account of
resignation is that of a member for North
Bourke, in room of Mr. John Thomas
Smith. The candidates for this seat already
in the field are, Messrs. Donald Kennedy,
of Melbourne, A. Mackillop, R. McDou-
gall, of Glenroy; and Wm. B. Burnley,
of Richmond. (P.4, Argus, 9-6-1853.)
Robert and his landlord,Donald Kennedy,both of Glenroy, were appointed magistrates in 1857.
P.3, The Age, 27-8-1857.)
He'd been involved in trying to improve things as early as 1849 when he wrote a very detailed open letter to John Pascoe Fawkner, whose grant was across today's Victoria St/ Rhodes Parade from the Glenroy Estate.
Paste http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4774200 into your search bar.
An advertisement placed in about 1852 by Robert McDougall showed that he was taking a keen protective interest in the Bulla area. He warned that people removing timber from the properties of Alexander Kennedy (north end of the parish of Tullamarine, including the Inverness Hotel) and John Cameron (grantee of c/a 11 Bulla Bulla, which became Robert's Warlaby) would be prosecuted.For some weird reason I can't re-find this notice. He was later to buy Cameron's grant and name it Warlaby after the stud of Major Booth. The following comes from my dictionary history of Bulla journal.
WARLABY.(Section 11, Bulla Bulla; Melway 384 J8-homestead.)
See the heritage study:
[PDF] Place: Warlaby - Hume City Council
Warlaby is of State level heritage significance for the evidence of its use as a ..... that the Bulla property was named Warlaby after the Booths' stud, probably to ...
The study stated that not much was known about Maurice Quinlan. See my journal about him. Maurice was a bookmaker and for a time lived in James Robertson Jnr.'s Aberfeldie mansion that gave the suburb its name. According to one of my informants,probably Bob Blackwell,Quinlan's son became an Australian boxing champion.
The name, Warlaby, came from the stud of Major Booth who developed the Booth strain of shorthorns of which Robert McDougall was the prime breeder in Victoria and probably Australia. This brought him into conflict with Niel Black (grantee of the northern 777 acres of Gladstone Park and Western District squatter) and Henry Stevenson* of "Niddrie" who favoured the Bates strain.
The heritage study states that Isaac Batey gave John Cameron's name for Warlaby as -- but death notices indicate that the original name was "Tobernaroy".
DIED. On the 26th inst., at Tobernaroy, Bulla Bulla, Deep Creek, Mary, the beloved wife of John Cameron, aged 42 years.(P.4, Argus,27-9-1854.)
In "Memoirs of a Stockman", Harry Peck tells us that Frank Goyder, who was on Oak Park in 1880, bred racehorses and raced a few good ones such as the big chestnut, Sussex. Harry makes the apparently strange claim that Robert McDougall of "Arundel" (Melway 4,H/12) and Henry Stevenson of "Niddrie" (16, A/9) were neighbours. However they had adjoining land at Strathmore in 1880 with Henry on St. Johns and Robert on 200 acres to the north or east. Both probably bred Shorthorn cattle there, but there the similarity ended. Stevenson followed the Bates strain and was therefore a declared enemy of McDougall who supported the Booth strain.
Sandy Smith grew up on "Norwood" on the south side of Buckley St, between the Aitken Estate and North Road, Avondale Heights and would have seen plenty of his neighbour Jeannie.
SMITH - McDOUGALL - On the 24th inst., at the resi-
dence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. Hugh
M'Kail, Bulla, Alexander Smith, of the firm of King
and Cunningham, stock and station agents, Mel-
bourne, to Jeannie, second daughter of Robert
McDougall, J.P., of Arundel, Keilor.(P.1, Argus, 29-11-1881.)
Paste http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/74589268 into your search bar to see Alexander Smith's 1915 obituary.
Sandy or Jane later moved to Coilsfield which was later demolished for the construction of the Essendon Hospital. Old residents of Ardmillan Road to the north told me that a lane on the downhill side of number 39 was known as Smith's Lane because it connected the Smith house on the site of the 1857 Ardmillan mansion with Coilsfield. The owner of the Ardmillan Rd house, Sandy and Jane's only son, was named after his maternal grandfather and the house was obviously named after John Rankin's Roseneath Cottage at Kensington.
SMITH.— On February 4, at his
home, "Roseneath," 33 Ard-
millan-road,, Moonee Ponds, Robert
McDougall, only son of the late
Alexander and Jane Smith, "Coils-
field, Moonee Ponds, and brother
of Heather.(P.2, The Age, 6-2-1952.)
DODD - McDOUGALL - On the 21st December, at
Corswall, Moonee Ponds, by The Rev. Alex.
Marshall D.D., Robert Dodd to Maggie, third
daughter of the late Robert McDougall, Arun-
del. (P.9, Argus, 13-1-1900.)
MAGGIE'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number6800 Registration year1935
Family nameDODD Given namesMargaret SexFemale Father's nameMCDOUGALL Robert Mother's nameMargt (Rankin) Place of birth Place of deathHAWTHORN Age74
McDOUGALL (MacDougall) - On June
28, at her home, 9 McMillan street,
Elsternwick, Helena, youngest daughter
of the late Robert McDougall, of
Arundel, Keilor, and late of Holmes
road, Moonee Ponds, in her 79th year.
McDOUGALL - On June 28, at Elstern-
wick, Miss Helena McDougall, vice-
president and foundress (with her sis-
ter, Miss Grace McDougall*) of the
Melbourne Branch of the British Union
for Abolition of Vivisection (By re-
quest, no flowers.) (P.19. Argus, 30-6-1950.)
* EventDeath Event registration number6010 Registration year1940
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesGrace SexFemale Father's nameMCDOUGALL Robert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthESSENDON Place of deathMOONEE PONDS Age77
To identify the fifth daughter of Robert and Margaret McDougall, I assumed that A. Cameron, the other son-in-law at Robert's funeral, was Alexander and searched marriage records for this name. I then found the death record for Caroline Cameron.Her address was given in her death notice. She was buried in the Melbourne Cemetery, Carlton.
EventMarriage Event registration number6547 Registration year1885
Family nameCAMERON Given namesAlexander SexMale Spouse's family nameMCDOUGALL Spouse's given namesCaroline
EventDeath Event registration number13848 Registration year1942
Family nameCAMERON Given namesCaroline SexFemale Father's nameMCDOUGALL Robert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthGLENROY Place of deathELSTERNWICK Age88
CAMERON.-On December 20 (suddenly),
at 9 McMillan street, Elsternwick, Caroline,
widow of Alexander Cameron, and eldest
daughter of the late Robert and Margaret
McDougall, of Arundel, Keilor, aged 88
years.(P.2, Argus, 22-12-1942.)
Robert and Margaret's only son (to outlive his father, at least)was Alexander, known as Sandy, who lived at Warlaby after his marriage before moving to Western Australia in about 1900. He probably met his future wife while on the Aitken Estate. The Forresters were early residents on James Watson's grant between McCracken St and Lincoln Road, Forrester Street, named after them, being continued west through Mar Lodge and Butzbach to Hoffmans Rd as those farms were also subdivided.
McDOUGALL—FORRESTER - On tho 9th August, at
Blairgowrie, North Brighton, by tho Rev. J. Hay, Alex
ander, only son of the late Robert M'Dougall, Arundel,
Keilor, to Jessie, youngest daughter of the late Charles
Forrester.(P.5, The Age, 11-8-1888.)
Jessie would have been soon immersed in the activities of the newly formed Oaklands Hunt Club which had been formed after a paper chase ride organised by Farquhar McCrae, who was in charge of the hunters at Glenara, which started at Warlaby. And who do you think was the first master of Foxhounds?
MASTERS OF FOXHOUNDS
1888 – 1900 Alexander McDougall (https://oaklandshunt.com.au/)
Much information about Sandy, and probably photos, will be found in THE OAKLANDS HUNT, D.F. Cameron Kennedy, the centenary history of the club.
While Robert was on the Aitken Estate he'd issued strict instructions about what to do with straying cattle so that his breeding program wouldn't be compromised. Endeavouring to follow instructions cost a new employee his life. See http://www.familytreecircles.com/dr-john-dunbar-tweedale-pioneer-of-essendon-and-the-mornington-peninsula-vic-aust-67582.html
ROBERT McDOUGALL AND JOHN AITKEN.
A passage in Robert's obituary at the start of the journal concerns me regarding its accuracy. The claim that he arrived in November 1841 could be accurate or just a little bit out but the main concern is that John Aitken was said to be a fellow passenger.
Mr.McDougall removed to a property near
Essendon, which he rented from the late
Mr. Aitken, who came to the colonies in the
same vessel as Mr. McDougall. Another
fellow passenger was the late Mr. David
McLaws, of Tower-hill, near Koroit, and it is
a notable thing that several of the passengers
by this ship, who came to Australia equipped
with little more than stout hearts and
willing hands, all became successful colonists,
and died wealthy."
John Aitken of Mount Aitken arrived much earlier, from Van Dieman's Land, soon after John Batman had signed his treaty and had decided where he'd squat before his sheep, the ones that survived, had to carried ashore near Arthurs Seat in 1836 when the Chili went aground on a sandbank. An article, or perhaps a heritage study, about John Aitken or Mount Aitken that I read some years ago, stated, as I remember, that he had crossed at Solomon's Ford, heading west to the east branch of Kororoit Creek and then north towards Mt Aitken following a track that became the Calder Highway. This was the basis of my assumption that he had purchased section 8 Doutta Galla, (whose south west corner at the bottom of Melway 27 F8 was only 1200 metres from Solomons Ford) as a depot to rest his sheep being driven to market.
FROM DHOTAMA, PAGE Mc.33.
Robert McDougall's biography in VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS 1888, stated that he arrived in 1842. It is possible that his ship was placed in quarantine for a month or so before he was allowed to go ashore to explain the variation from the claim in his obituary that he arrived in November 1841. Unfortunately, I only copied snippets of Robert's biography, such as Robert being on Glenroy for 14 years and the Aitken Estate for 10 years, but 29 years later, I still recall that it mentioned the success achieved by many of his fellow passengers. I did not record this but I'm sure that if John Aitken's name had been mentioned as an example, I would have done so.
Of interest is that Harry Peck had stated in MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN that Harry Delahey had married one of Robert McDougall's daughters. H.H.Peck was wrong but not by much because the Dodds and Delaheys were related and Robert Dodd (probably the son of George Dodd)married Maggie, the third daughter of Robert McDougall.
Most of the genealogy that I have provided here was in the DHOTAMA entry, obtained from Angela Evans' KEILOR PIONEERS:DEAD MEN DO TELL TALES. Margaret Rankin had been born in Hobart on 14-12-1835. There were also photocopied excerpts from Harry Huntington Peck's book and the catalogue of the Arundel herd to be sold on 1-12-1887, maps showing properties, rate book details etc*. Any descendants who would like the Mc. file could private message me requesting it and providing an email address to which I can send it.
*For example, Alexander McDougall was born at Glenroy in 1859. He did not move to Western Australia in 1900 as I wrongly stated before. In 1900 he moved to Camperdown but by 1907 he was a stipendary steward of the Western Australia Turf Club. Appointed chairman of Stipendary stewards in 1909, he retained the position until 1928 when he retired. He died while visiting a friend aboard S.S.Chitral at Fremantle in 1938* aged 79.
*This is wrong! Alexander died in 1937. Thanks to Janilye, I might be able to give the link for the report of his funeral. Trove
Were there two John Aitkens? A trove search in the 1840's revealed that there was a John C.Aitken but Isaac Batey referred to the grantee of Mount Aitken in this way. I have found no reference to John Aitken returning home circa 1840 which would account for a return voyage to Port Phillip in 1841-2.
While trying to confirm or disprove the claim that Robert McDougall had come out on the same ship as John Aitken, I found that Robert McDougall had been an auctioneer and was secretary of the Moonee Ponds Farmers' Society when it had changed its name.
TO-MORROW, JULY 14.
Unreserved Sale of first-rate
MR. R. MCDOUGALL
Is instructed to sell, at the Market Yards,
TO-MORROW (Wednesday), 14th. Inst ,
at One o'clock, p. m.,
30 VERY SUPERIOR DAIRY COWS
springing, and with young Calves.
July 12th, 1847.(P. 3, The Melbourne Argus, 13-7-1847.)
THIS DAY, (Tuesday), 14th INSTANT,
at the Market Yards,
TWO TEAMS OF WORKING BUL-
September 14, 1847 (P.3, The Melbourne Argus, 14-9-1847.)
THE (late) MOONEE PONDS FARMERS
To the Editor of the Argus.
Sir, — At a meeting of the Committee of Ma-
nagement of the above Society, which took place
pursuant to advertisements, at the store of Messrs
Thomson and Duncan, Great Bourke-street, Mel-
bourne, on the 18th of August last, the enclosed
Rules und Regulations, for the ensuing match,
were approved of unanimously by the Committee.
The most important alteration from the original
Code, as you will observe, was changing the name
"Moonee Ponds Farmers' Society " to " Port
Phillip Farmers' Society."
The Committee sanguinely hope that by thus
changing the name of the Society, the sphere of
its operations and usefulness will be extended ; and
that outlandish folks will have no plausible ex-
cuse for not furthering the good cause. The
Committee also confidently expect that the Editor
of the Argus (from his having from the outset
taken such a warm interest in the proceedings of
the Society,) will give an insertion to their Rules
in his far-famed journal. Hoping yet to have the
pleasure to meet you " amang the rigs o' bar-
I remain, Sir,
Your most obedient servant,
9th October, 1848.(P.2, Argus, 10-10-1848.)
Neil Mansfield's magnificent Bulla Cemetery Index shows that one of Alexander McDougall's sons died while he was on "Warlaby" whose homestead at Melway 384 J8 is heritage-listed.
1345 McDOUGALL Archibald William 3M 00/10/1895 00/00/1896 06/01/1896 Presb. 1 13 Son of Alexander McDougall & Janet Forrester. Died in Bulla, Victoria, Australia.