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THE PUDDING. (HEARN & CLARKE, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.) SHAME VICTORIAN BDM, SHAME! BIG CLARKE'S SIBLINGS AND "ROSENEATH", ESSENDON..
I just tried a Google search to see if there was any mention of James Hearn Snr. having married Big Clarke's sister and there was no mention of the relationship in CLARKE biographies. In fact there was precious little about James Hearn Snr. There must have been mention of the relationship somewhere* because I have stated that it exists but was my source correct? The proof is in the pudding!
*Probably JAMES HEARN JNR.
I'd always assumed that James Hearn Jnr. would have died at "Roseneath" on the east side of Woodland Park,in Woodlands St, Essendon but he'd obviously sold it. After 1887, James is not mentioned in regard to the property, owned by 1906 by William Salmon, who donated Salmon Reserve alongside Five Mile Creek to the Council. It was at "Roseneath" that Big Clarke had died in 1874. James Jnr. died thirty years later at another house in Fletcher St, Essendon.
HEARN.—On the 19th July, at his late residence, "Uardry," Fletcher-street, Essendon, James Hearn, aged 62 years. (No flowers, by request.)P.1, Argus, 20-7-1904.
His death record is included because his parents aren't mentioned above.
EventDeath Event registration number8576 Registration year1904
Family nameHEARN Given namesJas SexUnknown Father's nameHearn Jas Mother's nameLouise (Clarke) Place of birth Place of deathEsdon Age62
My purpose is not to list all the children of James and Louisa but here's another one. The precise location of Thorngrove (granted to Big Clarke) is given in another journal.
HEARN.—On the 6th February, at his residence,Jessamine, Sydney-road, Brunswick, Henry, the youngest son of the late James and Louisa Hearn,of Thorngrove, Somerton. (No flowers, by request.) P.1, Argus, 8-2-1907.)
THE NAMES OF THE PARENTS OF LOUISA HEARN AND BIG CLARKE ARE THE KEY INGREDIENTS OF THE PUDDING.
Unforunately and amazingly VICTORIAN BDM seems to have lost half of the pudding, the part concerning one of Australia's most prominent pioneers, William John Turner Clarke! That's why I have included his death notice, had to inspect every CLARKE death record in 1874, in vain, and will have to document his parents from another source.
EventDeath Event registration number6018 Registration year1890
Family nameHEARN Given namesLouisa SexFemale Father's nameClarke Wm Mother's nameSarah (Turner) Place of birth Place of deathBrnswk Age77
CLARKE.—On the 13th January, at Roseneath, Essendon, William John Turner Clarke, in the seventy- third year of his age. (P.14, Illustrated Australian News for Home Readers, 28-1-1874.)
PARENTS OF W.J.T. AND LOUISA
About William Clarke
William Clarke, of the parish of St. Botolph, Aldgate, London, baptised 11th July, 1772, at Weston Zoyland, settled when young in London, and subsequently resided at Barnstaple, co. Devon. He m. 18th February, 1796, Sarah Turner, of Weston Zoyland, and had issue,
Charles, of Chelsea, co. Middlesex. England, m. Elizabeth, daughter of John Howe, of Merridge, near Bridgwater, and d. March, 1878, leaving two surviving sons and four daughters.
William John Tueneb* (Hon.), of whom hereafter. (*Turner)
Lewis, of Essenden, Victoria, Australia, left two sons and seven daughters.
Sarah Turner, m. Richard Comer, of West Bermudas, and d. s.p., 1843.
Caroline, m. Mr. Mead.
Louisa, m. James Hearn, formerly of Lower Petherton, co. Somerset, and afterwards of Thorngrove, and d. at her residence at Brunswick, May, 1890, aged 78*, leaving issue four sons and four daughters, several of the sons being well known amongst pastoralists. She had lived in the colony of Victoria for forty-nine years, and survived her husband many years.(*Probably a misinterpretation of "the 78th year of her age." or an estimation.)
William Clarke d. 1819.
SOURCE: Burke, Bernard, Sir, 1814-1892. cn; Burke, Ashworth Peter, 1864-1919. A genealogical and heraldic history of the colonial gentry, Vol. I; London, Harrison; 1891; page 20
David Duncan, co-grantee of section 14 Tullamarine (extending a mile west from the Melbourne Airport terminal building) built this house. See DUNCAN BUILT ROSENEATH
A trove search for "Roseneath Essendon" reveals much information about Lewis Clarke's family, the advertisement (1877) of the property with 27 acres grass soon after Big Clarke's death, tenders being called for repairs in 1878, that it was occupied by a seemingly unrelated Ayre family in 1876,that it comprised "10 rooms, with commodious outbuildings, large garden, and about 23 acres of land"when advertised for sale or to let in 1880,that James Hearn Jnr. still occupied the property in 1887 but by 1889, Roseneath was occupied by poultry farmer,F.Edmondson* possibly till at least 1892, and about William Salmon's family from 1906.
William Salmon owned much land across Woodlands St from Roseneath which was used for grazing but used his Roseneath property for poultry farming.There is supposed to be a reference to the Roseneath Estate on page 74 of THE STOPOVER THAT STAYED but I can't see it. Bob Chalmers' THE ANNALS OF ESSENDON (1850'S TO 1924) states that William Salmon, who arrived in Australia in 1878 had donated the aforementioned 8 acre portion of the Roseneath Estate on 4-11-1918 (P.196) and that 44 home sites with frontages to Woodlands St, Napier St and Salmon Avenue and the now eight- roomed* Roseneath residence on a block 150 x 156 ft, formerly owned by the late William F. Salmon were to be sold on 11-10-1924. (p.256.)
(*As in many early houses, the kitchen was probably detached and the other missing room may have been servants' quarters.)
Be warned that Heather Smith's ROSENEATH, ESSENDON in the 1920's was another property on the site of Peter McCracken's 1857 Ardmillan mansion at 33-37 Ardmillan Rd, Moonee Ponds.
POSTCRIPT. The name of John Rankin's wife has never been properly recorded in Victorian birth records. I hate loose ends, and like her son James Forbes, I've struck gold. Pardon my pun, but if I didn't find this information, I would have had to show CAUSE.
This looked like a possibility because the death record of one of John and Jean's children had a mother's maiden name starting with C*. Death records and notices(e.g.McDougall) had shown that Jean and Jane were often used for the same person.
*EventDeath Event registration number5899 Registration year1916
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJames Forbes SexUnknown Father's nameRankin Jno Mother's nameJane (Canse) Place of birth Place of death Age77
EventDeath Event registration number7108 Registration year1880
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJane SexUnknown Father's nameCause John Mother's nameHelen (Dunnan) Place of birthU Place of death Age73 Spouse's family nameRANKIN Spouse's given namesJohn
RANKIN.—On the 4th inst., at Kensington, Jane, the beloved wife of John Rankin, in her 74th year.
(P.1, Argus, 5-7-1880.)
John Rankin, of Learmonth-street, Moonee Ponds,
gentleman, by his will dated August 25, 1891, and
presented for probate by Messrs. Pentland, Roberts
and Thompson, of Melbourne, solicitors, appointed
his daughter Margaret McDougall, of Holmes-road,
Moonee Ponds; widow, sole executrix. He bequeathed
his household furniture and other articles of house-
hold use or ornament to his daughter Joanna Brooks;
to his daughter Margaret McDougall his gold watch
and chain ; to his son James Forbes Rankin, the use
of piece of land with house, situate on the Racecourse-road,
Flemington, and at his death the same
to be sold, and divided amongst, his children, two
shares to his daughter Jessie and one share each to
his other children (at 21), excepting his eldest son
John Forbes Rankin. He bequeathed his residuary
estate equally to his four children Margaret
McDougall, Joanna Brooks, Jane Eadie and Andrew
Rankin. By a codicil dated January 27, 1892, he
bequeathed to the said Joanna Brooks part of Crown
allotment C, section C*, parish of Doutta Galla, with
house, and directed that in the division of his
residuary estate she shall take £1100 less than the
other legatees, that being the amount paid by testator
for said land, Testator, died July 19, 1892, and
the will is sworn at £1950 real and £12,200 personal;
total, £14,150. (P.11, Table Talk, 19-8-1892.)
*This had me puzzled but stupidly I didn't inspect the page, thinking that John was referring to Roseneath. It was only after Learmonth St. dragged my mind into gear, that I realised that John was referring to lot C of section 6, which is bisected by Puckle St-Holmes Rd., and includes Learmonth St. See the parish map whose link is given at the end of the journal, but select map 1 instead of map 3.
Peter Eadie, who lived in the heritage-listed Dunblane in Sunbury after selling his hotel and store, was a relative* of Robert Eadie of Ben Eadie at Sunbury, near Jacksons Creek,who would have gained his expertise regarding platypus habitats as a boy. Robert moved to South Africa and while there saved the life of Winston Churchill during the Boer War. Later returning to Australia he set up the platypus enclosure at Healesville Sanctuary and lived nearby till his death. See my Eadie family of Sunbury journal.
*EventDeath Event registration number14940 Registration year1900
Family nameEADIE Given namesPeter SexUnknown Father's nameEadie Jno Mother's nameJean (Headrick) Place of birth Place of deathSbury Age66
EventDeath Event registration number18746 Registration year1949
Family nameEADIE Given namesRobert SexMale Father's nameEADIE Robert Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthSUNBURY Place of deathHEALESVILLE Age85
Robert McDougall lived at Glenroy, Aitken's Estate between today's Aberfeldie and Avondale Heights, and Arundel between Tullamarine and Keilor, also owning Warlaby on the west corner at the north end of Oaklands Rd., Bulla, which he named after Major Booth's Shorthorn stud. Robert had died in 1887, before his father-in-law's death so Margaret was now a widow. See my Robert McDougall journal.
John Rankin's daughter, Joanna, had obviously met her husband at Kensington. She married John, obviously the son of John and Eliza, in 1866. Unsurprisingly, like Robert McDougall and Robert Eadie's weddings, the ceremony was conducted in John Rankin's Roseneath Cottage on the corner of Rankins Rd and Macaulay Rds, and opposite the temporarily closed (1864- circa 1872) Kensington station.
BROOKS.—On the 22nd inst, at Kensington-hill, Eliza, widow of the late* John Brooks, aged 69 years.
(P.24, The Australasian, 31-7-1875.)
(John had died, aged 76, at Kensington Hill on 19-7-1871 -P.4, Argus, 22-7-1871.)
EventMarriage Event registration number2837 Registration year1866
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJoanna SexUnknown Spouse's family nameBROOKS Spouse's given namesJohn
Brooks— Rankin. — On the 11th inst., by the Rev. A.D.Kininmont, at the residence of the bride's father, Roseneath, Kensington, Mr J. Brooks, of H.M. Customs, Williamstown, to Joanna, youngest daughter of John Rankin, Esq. (P.4, The Age, 12-7-1866.)
JAMES FORBES RANKIN.
EventBirth Event registration number526 Registration year1838
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJames Forbes SexMale Father's nameRANKIN John Mother's nameJean (Unknown) Place of birthMELBOURNE
EventMarriage Event registration number3108 Registration year1862
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJames Forbes SexMale Spouse's family nameROBERTSON Spouse's given namesJessie Stuart
James Forbes Rankin was probably Isaac Batey's "old mate, Jimmy Rankin." He apparently farmed near Redstone Hill for quite a while.
"Gold in loose quartz was first discovered on a Sunday in 1865. J. R.,S. F, and T. Batey, in company with
J. F. Rankin, began napping quartz,when to to their surprise it was seen to contain gold."
(P.2, Sunbury News, 17-9-1910.)
These would be his death record and Jessie's. Jessie may have been born in Flemington.(Typos are common.)
EventDeath Event registration number5899 Registration year1916
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJames Forbes SexUnknown Father's nameRankin Jno Mother's nameJane (Canse) Place of birth Place of death Age77
EventDeath Event registration number12357 Registration year1917
Family nameRANKIN Given namesJessie Stuart SexUnknown Father's nameRobertson Gilbert Mother's nameMary Semple (Stuart) Place of birth Place of deathFltin Age80
RANKIN.—On the 5th June, at his residence, Racecourse road, Newmarket, James Forbes Rankin,beloved husband of Jessie Stuart. (lnterred private family burying ground, Brighton Cemetery.)Born in Melbourne 1838.
(P.13, Argus, 17-6-1916.)
RANKIN. —On the 31st October, at Racecourse road, Newmarket, Jessie Stewart, dearly beloved wife of the late James Forbes Rankin. (Interred privately at Brighton.) A devoted wife and mother.(P.1, Argus, 14-11-1917.)
ROSENEATH, KENSINGTON. (From my EARLY LAND OWNERS:PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA.)
The land bounded by Racecourse, Boundary, Macaulay and Rankins Rds was sold by the Crown in 1849 in allotments of about 2 acres.
John Rankin bought two blocks fronting Macaulay Rd and was living there as a (market) gardener by 1851. He spent a short, successful time at the diggings and lived on Princes St (as Rankins Rd was originally known) for many years. His house, located at the Macaulay Rd corner, was demolished by the early 1890’s and he was living in Moonee Ponds when he died on 20-7-1892.
This portion of Land Plan 520 (sheet 2) shows the location of Rankin’s house, just near the station.
Also see DOUTTA GALLA(Map 3.)
PIONEERS ANYWHERE NEAR SUNBURY , VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA? ASK ISAAC BATEY! (ALSO WILLIAM SAVAGE AND GOOPARL, ASCOT VALE.)
Having been looking for information about William Savage, who'd taught at the Roman Catholic St. Augustine's school at Keilor before becoming the first teacher at Keilor State School in 1875, I found the notice, on page 4 of the Argus of 3-2-1869, of the marriage of William Savage, son of Mr. William Savage, Sligo, Ireland to Margaret E.J.Victoria Clarke, youngest daughter of the late John Clarke Esq. of Gooparle, Saltwater River. I remembered the name of that property very well, because, having seen it mentioned in Isaac Batey's memoirs as being the property of a member of the Clarke family, I'd spent considerable time trying to work out exactly where it was. I had my doubts about a teacher, who had to run night classes after a hard day's work in order to make ends meet, marrying a member of the Clarke family, presuming that John Clarke would be nearly as well off as his relative, William John Turner (Big) Clarke.
The first of Isaac's articles on trove that I tried was on page 4 of the 30-5-1903 issue of the Sunbury News.
He mentioned at the start that the Clarke referred to (obviously in the previous installment)was a wild one and long gone so that could have been John Clarke. Perhaps William Savage, teacher, really had married his daughter.
DEATH RECORD OF JOHN'S DAUGHTER.
EventDeath Event registration number13113 Registration year1908
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesMargt Emily Jane Victoria SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathC Hill Age62
DEATH NOTICE OF JOHN CLARKE'S DAUGHTER.
SAVAGE.— On the 31st October, Margaret Emily Jane Victoria, dearly beloved wife of the late William Savage, mounted trooper. late of Heidelberg, beloved mother of Percy of Fltzroy; Ethleen, Olive,Edwin' Alma, Hubert, Mabel, aged 65 years. Interred privately .Melbourne General Cemetery, 3rd November. Rest in peace,
— Inserted by Percy Savage. (P.5, The Age, 7-11-1908.)
POSTSCRIPT. William's death record shows that he was only 42 when he died in 1887 and would have been a boy when the school was established at Sunbury, as mentioned below.
SAVAGE.—On the 2nd inst., at the Melbourne Hospital, William Savage, late of the Mounted Police.
Funeral will leave the hospital at 2.30 p.m. this day(Friday).(P.1, Argus, 4-3-1887.)
EventDeath Event registration number2870 Registration year1887
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesWilliam SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameMary Ann (Pilson) Place of birth Place of deathMELB E Age42 Spouse's family nameCLARK Spouse's given namesMargaret
John Clarke's (probable) widow was still at Gooparl in 1857 when she took another son-in-law to court. I hope she didn't give William Savage, the mounted trooper, similar grief.
SINGULAR PERJURY PROSECUTION.
Portland Guardian and Normanby General Advertiser (Vic. : 1842 - 1876) Friday 27 February 1857 p 2 Article
Could Margaret's late husband, a mounted trooper, have been the teacher at Sunbury in the 1850's? NO, AS ABOVE. William Savage the teacher at Keilor, seems to have been a Roman Catholic because like other Keilor stalwarts of that faith such as Patrick Phelan and George Dodd he had contributed to a Roman Catholic building fund in 1868. Many teachers lost their jobs because of the 1890's depression, whose effects lasted at least as long as 1905 when schools were still being closed, and because unemployed people were likely to steal, not pay their rent etc., more police may have been employed despite the government being almost bankrupt.
However the death notice uses Rest in peace rather than the Latin version almost invariably used by Catholics. There was also another William Savage, definitely a teacher*, who married in 1860 and was maybe a Presbyterian.
*SAVAGE—MALLOWS.—[Golden Wedding.]—On the 22nd February, 1860, at the Presbyterian School-house, Rokewood, by the Rev. John Cooper, William Savage, head teacher of the school, to Catherine Charlotte Mallows. Present address, Corindhap. (P.1, Argus, 22-2-1910.)
POSTSCRIPT. OBITUARY OF THE ABOVE.
The funeral of Mr William Savage retired State school teacher of Corindhap, took place on Friday afternoon,
and was largely attended. The late gentleman/ who was a native of England. came to-Victoria in the fifties, and
opened the school in Rokewood in the year 1856. He also occupied during his time as a teacher the State schools at Napoleons, Dereel, and Corindhap....... He leaves a widow, two sons, both of whom are in the State service. and two daughters.(P.2, The Ballarat Star, 10-7-1911.)
All the places where this William Savage taught were near Ballarat so he wouldn't have taught at Sunbury or Keilor. His children were Emma Elizabeth b.1861 at Geelong, William Selwyn b. 1863 at Barr (Bararabool west of Geelong), Martha b. 1867 Rokewood, Catherine b.1870 Rokewood, Unnamed male b 1873, Rokewood Mary Louisa b. 1874 Rokewood, Walter Owen b. 1878 BR EA (Brokewood East?)
William Selwyn would have been only 14 years old in 1875, when the Keilor State School opened under William Savage who'd previously taught at St. Augustine's school at Keilor.
More about Keilor's teacher at the end.
In the same article, Isaac mentioned that the first school at Sunbury was on the site* of the Roman Catholic Church and operated under the old system**. He thought that the first male teacher was William Savage and that there was a female teacher whom he named.
(*The township map would probably show that the site had been reserved for the R.C. Church.
** Any denomination could get government aid for a school but this led to a proliferation of schools in well- populated areas and none in others, so the Government passed the Common School Act in 1862 to ensure that every area would have a school.)
Also in this article, Isaac mentioned that Arthur Frost who had run the Franklin (in Sunbury and built by Tulip Wright)had married Fanny, Tulip's second daughter.
Isaac made few mistakes but did call David William O'Nial's LADY OF THE LAKE HOTEL at Tullamarine the LADY OF THE LADY, a mistake that was repeated in the Tullamarine Methodist Church centenary souvenir of 1970 whose author realised what a great source Isaac was but lacked the means to confirm the name. I do have the means to confirm Arthur Frost's marriage.
EventMarriage Event registration number2400 Registration year1859
Family nameFROST Given namesArthur Thomas SexMale Spouse's family nameWRIGHT Spouse's given namesFrances
The Shire of Bulla was preceded by the Bulla Roads Board, established in 1862 and extending south almost to Essendon until the Keilor Road District was proclaimed shortly afterwards. A history of the shire was sought for its centenary, I.W.Symonds' BULLA BULLA being chosen over THE SHIRE THAT TOOK OFF by Grant Aldous, a decision that was probably influenced by the Clarke family which would not have been impressed by Grant's story about George Evans laying a pistol on his table when Big Clarke came calling as a reminder to the visitor not to flirt with George's young wife, Annie, nee Holden. No prizes for guessing where this racy tale would have come from!
It was probably in Symonds' book that I read about the Bulla Road Board being formed at a meeting at the Bridge Inn (built by Tulip Wright) and meetings being held there until Frost asked for rent to be paid; the office and meetings then being transferred to Melville's Inverness Hotel at Oaklands Junction until the shire hall was built in Bulla Township. Now we know why Frost was running the Bridge Inn. Symonds might have got his information from histories of the shire (possibly written in 1912) by young Daniel and another student who came first and second respectively in a competition. The Daniel boy had the assistance of two members of his family being involved as shire secretaries but you can bet that Isaac's memoirs were the main source.
I can't find the reference to Big Clarke's relative of Gooparle but you can be certain it's there. John Clarke had died by 1857 when probate of his will was sought and Gooparle may have been a large slab of Ascot Vale West with the homestead in Langs Rd, (between Chauvel and Anderson Sts) later being occupied by William Anderson of the Flemington Meat Preserving Company. I would never have discovered this without Isaac's racy, descriptive, detail-packed memories of the pioneers in a huge area around Sunbury. He and Harry Huntington Peck should be awarded a posthumous Order of Australia for their services to history!
THE Gooparl Estate is the property of Charles Payne, Esq comprising 48 acres of Land, five of which are in a high state of cultivation, as a flour, fruit, and kitchen garden. Also ten acre cultivation paddock, and two
grass paddocks of 33 acres.
The whole is substantially fenced with post and three rails,and dividing fences, with very superior gates. The buildings consist of a neat verandah cottage, of seven rooms, kitchen and scullery; the out buildings comprise, stabling, harness room, coach-house, open shed, and fowl-house, and sleeping apartments, and store-room over.
There is a large water tank, built of stone, and cemented, the yard is paved, and everything in first-rate order.
The property is situated near the racecourse, four miles from Melbourne, and is always accessible by good roads; it has a frontage to the Salt Water River, and two Government roads. It is now offered for sale in whole or in portions on liberal terms. Further particulars on application to the undersigned
JOHN MACKENZIE, Queen Street.(P.7, Argus, 6-11-1852.)
Link for Doutta Galla Parish map; select map 1. DOUTTA GALLA
Crown allotment 31, section 3 Doutta Galla of 48 acres was granted to Charles Payne on 3-6-1846,the same day on which George Newsom (recalled by Newsom St) bought c/a's 32 and 33. My 1999 Melway has Clark* written by me on crown allotment 31 which extended north west from Langs Rd for 1000 links (200 metres), obtained from measurement on Melway as it is not on the parish map, to the north west boundary of Ascot Vale West Primary School. Crown allotments 31 to 36 all had the same 200 metre frontage to the road to Raleigh's punt (Epsom Rd.)
*This indicates that I may have information about John Clarke in my EARLY LANDOWNERS:PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA.
This was subdivided in 1854 with John Clark buying 15 acres between (roughly) Anderson St and Victory Pde for 10 000 pounds, and John Wilson paying 3900 pounds for 19 ½ acres between Clark’s land and a line 2 chains from Epsom Rd; the road frontage apparently having been purchased by James Young. Clarke and Wilson’s purchases are shown ON THE ATTACHED MAP: A = Young B = Wilson [20 157], C = Clark [29 52].For the price, Clark must have also bought the land to the river.
William Lang bought Young’s 4/5 acre in 1861 and in 1866 bought an adjoining 3 ¾ acre portion of Wilson’s land from Hugh Glass, giving him most of the Victory Park site.
In 1882, William Anderson resigned as chief meat preserver at the famous factory on the Living Museum of the West site, and launched his own business on allotment 31. He built a house called Gooparle between Anderson and Chauvel Sts and ran the Flemington Meat Preserving Co. until 13-7-1915, six months before his death. Anderson’s Paddock, subdivided as the Victory Estate in 1920, contains Anderson and Monash St houses.
N.B. IF ANDERSON BUILT THE HOUSE WHY WOULD HE CALL IT GOOPARL, A NAME COINED BY JOHN CLARKE? MORE LIKELY THE HOUSE WAS BUILT BY CLARKE, WITH PAYNE AND ANDERSON RETAINING THE NAME FOR THE HOUSE.
There is a photo of the Gooparl(e) house on GOOPARL
Lenore Frost's superb index revealing which people and places are mentioned in which books (which can be purchased from the Essendon Historical Society at the Court House Museum at Moonee Ponds) includes:
Gooparl (pages) 34 – 35 (book) 15 Fine Homes of Essendon and Flemington
WILLIAM SAVAGE, KEILOR'S TEACHER.
The Government Gazette of 26-9-1862 had notified the appointment of William Savage as the deputy registrar of births and deaths for the Keilor District, vice (in the place of) T.P.Dowling.
(P.4, The Star, Ballarat,29-9-1862.)
Aha, we have the right bloke. I thought I'd start looking for his children's births between 1876 and 1880.
EventBirth Event registration number24024 Registration year1876
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesValentine Patrick SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameBridget (Gough) Place of birthKE IL
William had married Bridget in 1863 but unfortunately marriage records don't mention locations.
EventMarriage Event registration number1682 Registration year1863
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesWilliam SexMale Spouse's family nameGOUGH Spouse's given namesBridget#
Their children were: William Francis b.1864 Keilor (with the father's name as Willianm and the mother's maiden name as Goff), Maria b.1865 Keilor, Michael Vincent b.1866 Keilor, John James**, *** b.1868 Keilor, Joseph b. 1869, Keilor (with William's second given name recorded as Aloysius),M. b. 1870 Keilor****, Louisa b.1872 Keilor (William Aloysius as the father's name again), Charles Baromas b. 1873 Keilor, V.P. (above) b.1876, Margaret* b 1881 Keilor.
# SAVAGE - On the 12th July, at her residence. No.12 Robert- street, Footscray, Bridget Savage, dearly loved wife of William Savage, late of Keilor, beloved mother of John, Charles. Maria, William,Vincent, Joseph, Louisa and Margaret Savage, aged 63 years. R.I.P.(P.5, The Age, 13-7-1901.)
SAVAGE.— On the 12th July, at her residence, 12 Robert-street, Footscray, Bridget (Delin) Savage,
dearly beloved daughter of Francis Gough, beloved sister of Joseph Gough, Mrs. J. Gibson and Mrs. H..
Serres. Fortified in the rites of her church. Interred 14th July. R.I. P. Sydney papers please copy.
(P.1, The Age, 16-7-1901.)
*BROWN— SAVAGE.— On the 1st January, at St.Ignatius' Church, Richmond, by Rev. Father Cahill, Thomas Richard Brown, of Bendigo, to Margaret, youngest daughter of William Savage, schoolmaster, late of Keilor.
(P.31, Weekly Times, 27-1-1906.)
**SAVAGE.— On the 1st June, at the Public Works store yard, 104 Wells-street, South Melbourne. John James, the beloved husband of Margaret Savage, and third son of William Savage, formerly State school teacher, Keilor, aged 36 years. R.I.P.(P.1, The Age, 2-6-1902.) JOHN'S FIRST WIFE HAD OBVIOUSLY DIED!
*** SAVAGE—TYRER - On the 3rd November, at SS.Peter and Paul's, south Melbourne, by Rev. Jas. O'Neill,
John, third son of William Savage, of keilor. to Maggie,only daughter of William Tyrer, of South Melbourne.
(P.5, The Age, 29-11-1890.)
**** The unnamed male born in 1870 unsurprisingly died in 1870.
SAVAGE, unnamed male - Parents: William & Bridget SAVAGE - Place of Death: Doutta Galla
Being east of the river, St Augustines was in the parish of Doutta Galla. Crown allotment 19, between Collinson St and the river, was part of Keilor Township.
Like any good Catholic, William kept the baby factory busy but what stopped the production line for a while after 1876? Had William given up teaching?
William Savage, of Keilor, gentleman.
Causes of insolvency-Having given accommodation bills, sickness in family, and pressure of creditors. Liabilities, £465 10s. 5d ; assets, £422 14s.10d.; deficiency, £42 15s. 7d. Mr. Jacomb, assignee.
(P.5, Argus, 24-5-1877.)
William was still teaching and the insolvency did not seem to have affected his performance.
An examination for results was held at the local State School on Monday last, when the splendid percentage of 94 was obtained. This must be very gratifying to the persons who have children attending the school, as well as to the teacher, Mr. Savage.(P.3, The Bacchus Marsh Express, 26-5-1877.)
AN examination for results was held in the Keilor State school on Friday last, which was, on the whole, one of the most satisfactory that has been held for some time past. The percentage obtained—within a very small fraction of 90—is an exceptionally good one, and when we take into consideration the fact of its being obtained under difficulties, such as sickness, which has been prevalent among children of late to an alarming extent, it must be regarded as a very high commpliment to the teaching powers of the head master, Mr. Savage, and of the staff of the school.(P.3, Bacchus Marsh Express, 13-12-1879.)
When Mr. McCusker's house was burnt down he was left penniless,and a fundraising committee was formed with W.Savage junior as joint treasurer with Donald McDonald. (P.3, Bacchus Marsh Express, 28-1-1882.) William had been born in 1864 so he would have been 18. Donald,now about 23 who had become a pupil teacher under William Aloysius Savage's tuition at the school in 1876, had by this time probably started his career as a journalist at Samaria, north east of Yea. Robert Dodd, son of George Dodd of Oakleigh Park,was a schoolmate of Donald and no doubt owed his successful journalistic career to W.A.Savage as well. See my journal about George Dodd and his siblings.
SAVAGE.—On the 22nd July, William Francis Aloysius Savage, formerly state school teacher of Keilor, beloved father of Mrs. R. S. Owen, of No. 8 Survey-street, Burnley, and Mrs. T Brown,of Bendigo, aged 70 years. R.I.P.
SAVAGE.—The Friends of the late Mr. WILLIAM FRANCIS ALOYSIUS SAVAGE are respectfully informed his remains will be interred in the Keilor Cemetery. The funeral will leave the residence of his daughter, Mrs. R. S. Owen,No. 8 Survey-street, Burnley, THIS DAY (Wednesday, 24th July, 1907), at 12.30 o'clock, arriving at cemetery about 3.30 p.m.(P.1, Argus, 24-7-1907.)
GET DEATH RECORDS FOR BRIDGET AND WFAS WHEN BDM STARTS WORKING AGAIN.
BRIDGET SAVAGE'S DEATH RECORD. BRIDGET'S DEATH NOTICE ABOVE GIVES THE NAMES OF HER FATHER AND SIBLINGS BUT NOT OF HER MOTHER.
EventDeath Event registration number9648 Registration year1901
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesBridt Margt SexUnknown Father's nameGough Frank Mother's nameBridt Mary (Enniss) Place of birth Place of deathFcray Age63
WILLIAM'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number9993 Registration year1907
Family nameSAVAGE Given namesWm Aloysius SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathRmond Age70
Not unexpectedly there are no birth records on Victorian for Bridget or William in 1836-1840. It seems a forlorn hope to find details of William's parents but perhaps we can explain how William and Bridget met each other. Did William arrive at Keilor in 1862 when he was appointed a deputy registrar of births and deaths for the Keilor district, had he been there for some time or had he been teaching elsewhere such as Pentridge (Coburg)?
They were married in 1863, at which time Bridget's father Francis Gough did not seem to be at Keilor; he seems to have moved there two years later.
NOTICE of INTENTION to APPLY for a TRANSFER of PUBLICAN'S LICENCE.-I, WILLIAM PEARCE, the holder of a publican's licence for the house and premises known as the Prince of Wales Hotel, situated at Flemington, do hereby give notice, that it is my intention to APPLY to tho justices sitting at the Court of Petty Sessions, to be holden
at Flemington, on Monday, 10th July, 1865, to TRANSFER the said LICENCE to Francis Gough, now residing at Keilor. (P.7, Argus, 24-7-1865.)
It will need someone cleverer than yours truly to explain how a person living in Keilor could run a hotel at Melway 28K9. Obviously, Francis would have had to then reside in the hotel, which is confirmed by incidents at Flemington involving Francis such as his alleged assault of a neighbour named Neighbour and a counter charge in 1868. GOUGHvNEIGHBOUR
In 1861, Francis may have been the Pentridge farmer of that name whose horse had been appropriated by Alexander Brown and Thomas Edwards who were charged with stealing the horse after it had escaped from a hitching post.
In 1862, Francis Gough was one of eight residents who requested the local J.P. to convene a public meeting for ratepayers in regard to receiving reports and electing auditors and members for the Pentridge Road Board.
In 1864, the same Pentridge farmer was found not guilty of wounding William Corrigan with a sword at Pentridge. This Francis Gough was fetching clothes for his wife who was in the lock-up.
GOUGH AND CORRIGAN
As the only results for Francis Gough in the 1860's concerned the person at Pentridge till 1864, at Keilor in 1865 whose connection with Flemington was established, and at Flemington, it is reasonable to assume that they were all the same person. It is also reasonable to assume that he was, from 1863, the father-in-law of Keilor teacher, William Savage. Therefore Bridget's mother died in 1867. Unfortunately there is no death record for Bridget's mother whose name is given in Bridget's death record as Bridt Mary (Enniss), only those of a Margaret and Julia. There was no death notice and the funeral notice did not mention the name of the publican's late wife.
THE Friends of Mr. FRANCIS GOUGH are respectfully invited to follow the remains of his late wife to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral to move from his residence, Prince of Wales Hotel, Flemington, THIS DAY (Monday), 28th inst., at one o'clock p.m.(P.8, Argus, 28-1-1867.)
The mother's name on Bridget's death record seems to be wrong. Let me repeat Bridget's second death notice to explain.
SAVAGE.— On the 12th July, at her residence, 12 Robert-street, Footscray, Bridget (Delin) Savage,
dearly beloved daughter of Francis Gough, beloved sister of Joseph Gough, Mrs. J. Gibson and Mrs. H.
Serres*. Fortified in the rites of her church. Interred 14th July. R.I. P. Sydney papers please copy.
(P.1, The Age, 16-7-1901.)
*Mary Jane-see below.
I'd tried to find the death notice of Joseph Gough, apparently without success. I next tried Mrs J.Gibson. A Margaret Gough whose father was Francis Gough had been born in 1848 at PENTRIDGE.
EventBirth Event registration number2725 Registration year1848
Family nameGOUGH Given namesMargaret SexFemale Father's nameGOUGH Francis Mother's nameMargaret (Unknown) Place of birthPENTRIDGE
She was possibly the one who had married John Gibson in 1870. John would have checked that she was a female!!!
EventMarriage Event registration number1802 Registration year1870
Family nameGOUGH Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Spouse's family nameGIBSON Spouse's given namesJohn
I though I'd found Margaret Gibson's death record but haven't been able to refind it. Let's press on.
Other children of Francis Gough of Pentridge with the mother's name recorded as Margaret (no maiden name or Richards/Rickens/Rickers/Rickards) were, (with Coburg abbreviated to C if this is used instead of Pentridge, and M for Melbourne):
Anna Maria 1850 C; Catherine 1842 M; Francis 1846 P; James Joseph 1844 M; (Margaret as above 1848 P);
John 1854 P; Mary Jane 1860* P; Frances 1852 P.
* EventDeath Event registration number1979 Registration year1912
Family nameSERRES Given namesMary Jane SexUnknown Father's nameGough Francis Mother's nameMargt (Righards) Place of birth Place of deathHberg Age52
Catherine died at P. in 1862 aged 2 (20 of course!). William died at M in 1863 aged 7 (probably born 1856.)There are no death records for the other sons after 1860.
(This could be Bridget's father but there was no death notice to clear up the unknowns.
EventDeath Event registration number9990 Registration year1903
Family nameGOUGH Given namesFrancis SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathHoth E Age84)
As recorded above, a child named Francis was born to Francis and Margaret Gough at Pentridge in 1846 but this is a mistake unless Francis had a brother also living there who had named a son Francis. Francis wouldn't have named this boy Francis if he already had a boy named Francis who did not die until 1847.
EventDeath Event registration number40441 Registration year1847
Family nameGOUGH Given namesFrancis SexMale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathPENTRIDGE Age10 (Parents possibly John George Gough and Sarah as explained below.)
This Francis Gough seems to have been born in about 1844.
EventDeath Event registration number45160 Registration year1852
Family nameGOUGH Given namesFrancis SexMale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathPENTRIDGE Age8
Francis and Margaret had a daughter named Frances born in 1852. Another Frances died in 1847 at Pentridge, having been born in about 1837.
EventDeath Event registration number349 Registration year1847
Family nameGOUGH Given namesFrances SexFemale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathPENTRIDGE Age10
(Perhaps there was a birth record for Bridget Gough who married William Savage. No, the first Gough birth recorded was that of Catherine, daughter of Francis Gough and Margaret Rickens/Rickers born in Melbourne in 1842 as noted above. This would seem to indicate that Francis and Margaret had arrived in 1841 at the earliest.
From GOUGH ENTRIES
Francis Gough 23 hus (8 family) Labourer RC both Galway, came 30 Nov 1841 on the Mary Nixon
Margaret Gough 23 wife of Francis (8 family) Housemaid RC reads Clare, came 30 Nov 1841 on the Mary Nixon
Francis Gough, and Margaret Rickers baptised female Catherine at Roman Catholic St Francis, Melbourne born at Melbourne 1842 # 191
Francis Gough and Margaret Rickards baptised James Joseph 1844, Francis 1846 died
Directory 1847 constable, Pentridge
John Gough wed Sarah Bruce in 1845 at Church of England baptised Martha Elizabeth 1847 Letters unclaimed at Post-Office, Melbourne, 30th April, 1847
William Gough and Ann Mary baptised William 1847
The above confirms the date of arrival and a claim in a court report (when Francis was charged with fraud, the allegation being dismissed), that Francis had been a constable at Pentridge before becoming a humble but respected farmer there, but unfortunately does not establish the correct spelling of Margaret's maiden name.
Whether William Gough was related to Francis or not, he seemed to have moved to Portland by 1847. However John George Gough was at Darebin Creek, not far easy of Pentridge by 1849* and may have been the UNKNOWN father of Francis Gough who died at Pentridge in 1852 aged 8. The maiden name of his wife Sarah was Bruce according to the GOUGH ENTRY.
* EventBirth Event registration number16130 Registration year1849
Family nameGOUGH Given namesJohn George SexMale Father's nameGOUGH John George Mother's nameSarah (Unknown) Place of birthDAREBIN CREEK
PROPOSAL TO RENAME MELBOURNE AIRPORT STREETS AFTER INDIGENOUS, EUROPEAN AND AVIATION PIONEERS CIRCA 1990. (VIC., AUST.)
FROM THE KEILOR ENTRY ON PAGE I-L 52 OF MY DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND.
Rosemary Davidson, librarian, had used the material given to me by descendants of Tullamarine's pioneers for a history week display at the Tullamarine Library in 1989. Anthony Rowhead, an inspector with the Federal Airports Corporation viewed the display and, inspired by it to start a bicentenial project, renaming streets after indigenous, European and aviation pioneers, sought help from Ian Hunter, Wurundjeri researcher, myself and aviation historians. Anthony's letter outlining the final draft may be included with other material I gave to the Hume Global Learning Centre when I moved to Rosebud.
Below are the proposed names, street names or descriptions at the time in brackets, and information supporting the new name. Any comments added are in italics and/or lower case. The information is given as a summary,not verbatim.
AIRPORT DRIVE, (EDGAR JOHNSON DRIVE, AIRPORT ADMINISTRATOR;
MELBOURNE DRIVE, (WOIWURRUNG DRIVE), LOCAL ABORIGINAL TRIBE;
CENTRE ROAD, (BEBEJUNG ROAD), ONE OF THE CHIEFS INVOLVED IN BATMAN'S TREATY. Actually Bebejern, father of William Barak. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Barak ;
GRANTS ROAD, (GRANTS ROAD), REMAINS UNCHANGED John Grant's "Seafield was at Melway 4 H6-7 to 5A7, parts 6,8
SERVICE ROAD, (DUIGAN ROAD), DESIGNED, BUILT AND FLEW FIRST AUSTRALIAN PLANE;
LANDSIDE DRIVE, (BONNEY STREET), FIRST AUSTRALIAN WOMAN TO FLY FROM AUSTRALIA TO ENGLAND;
DEPOT DRIVE, (PRATT STREET), FLYING SCHOOL IN GEELONG 1914, R.A.A.F. PLANE CONSTRUCTION;
EAST STREET, (BROADBENT STREET), RECORD BREAKING FLIGHTS ENGLAND TO AUSTRALIA;
MARKER ROAD, (GLENDURA DRIVE), NAME OF JOHNSON's DAIRY FARM ON WHICH THE ROAD WAS BUILT.Olive Nash had never seen the name of the farm,not far north of her former "Fairview" farm,in writing and had taken a guess at the spelling. I did not know at the time that William Dewar had established the farm;
QUARRY ROAD, (QUARRY ROAD) UNCHANGED;
LINK ROAD, (PARR ROAD), NAMES EARLY PIONEERS, JAMES HENRY AND ANN PARR. JAMES AND HIS SON (Bill of "Annandale,
15 C-D1), SERVED MANY TERMS AS Keilor SHIRE PRESIDENT. Link Rd runs south just inside the western boundary of the farm occupied by James Henry and his other son, Sam;
SOUTH CENTRE ROAD, (CROTTY ROAD), RESIDENTS OF TULLAMARINE FOR OVER A CENTURY.The Crotty dairy farm "Broomfield" was on the south side of the western end of Sharps Rd with Tullamarine Park Rd just inside its eastern and southern boundaries;
OPERATIONS ROAD, (NASH ROAD), RESIDENTS OF THE AREA FOR A CENTURY OR MORE. Charles Nash bought land in the early 1850's at Melway 5 F 5-6 (Fairview) and "Bayview", most of today's Trade Park Industrial Estate and west to part of 5 F 11-12. His son Thomas Nash later had land west of the Crotty farm, between Fosters Rd (now Keilor Park Drive) and the river;
CARGO ROAD, (ANDERSON ROAD), ROBERT FOSTER ANDERSON WAS ONE OF SEVERAL PIONEERS WITH THIS SURNAME. Thomas Anderson was an original trustee of Methodist land and one of the access roads in John Pascoe Fawkner's subdivision of that part of sections 6 and 7 Tullamarine within the airport boundary and opposite Wright St (now Springbank St) was called Anderson's Lane by the locals;
ROAD TO NEW HAWKER HANGAR, (REDDAN ROAD), RESIDENTS OF BULLA FROM 1847 AND OCCUPANTS OF BRIGHTVIEW (15 EF2 to 5 FG11),HILLSIDE (Barrie Rd and Allied Drive area east of the Crotty farm) AND SEAFIELD (John Grant's old farm) FROM THE EARLY 1900's.
PLANT ROAD, (GARWARD ROAD), AIRWAYS ENGINEERING ADMINISTRATOR;
TOWER ROAD, (WINDSOR ROAD), L.W.WINDSOR, RESPONSIBLE FOR PILOT TRAINING;
POWER ROAD, (DOYLE ROAD), AVIATION ADMINISTRATOR AND EARLY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER.COINCIDENTALLY, A DOYLE FAMILY BOUGHT BRIGHTVIEW AFTER THE REDDANS LEFT AND RENAMED IT RISTARO.
AIRWAYS STREET, (WINDSOR STREET), E.W.WINDSOR TRAINED MANY RADIO OPERATORS. It was not very smart proposing the same name for two streets but the aviation historians and Anthony didn't pick this up and I was so absorbed in the early settlers component that I didn't notice it either;
ACCESS ROAD TO F.A.C. ELECTRICAL SERVICES, (GOWRIE PARK DRIVE), SECTION 14 TULLAMARINE (between the terminal building and a northern continuation of McNabs Rd from 4G5 to North Glide Rd) OWNED BY RITCHIES, JAMES LANE ETC., AND USED AS AN EARLY LANDING FIELD CIRCA 1920 DURING LANE'S TENURE. THE FARM WAS CALLED GOWRIE PARK.
Despite the proposal being knocked on the head, Gowrie Park Drive at 5 C5, received its name.
ACCESS ROAD TO FEDERAL POLICE AREA, (MURPHY ROAD), WALTER MURPHY WAS A RENOWNED LEADER OF THE TULLAMARINE COMMUNITY. Known as Major Murphy, although he disliked his former rank being used, W.V.Murphy organised burning of firebreaks, was president of the Tullamarine Progress Association, moved the Broadmeadows Township War Memorial from between the Westmeadows bridge and pub where it was a hazard and cause of bottlenecks to traffic taking the only route, via the Ardlie St hill to Mickleham Rd, the Tullamarine War Memorial from the old Tullamarine S.S. 2613 site on the north corner of Conders Lane just north of Sam Parr's The Elms to the south corner of Dalkeith Avenue, and St Mary's Church of England from the south west corner of Woodlands (yellow part of 177 J9) to 177 B8 in Bulla Village. The Spring St reserve has since been named after Leo Dineen and a plaque on a boulder has been placed in the Melrose Drive Reserve to honour Alec Rasmussen, the other two of Tullamarine's great leaders. Sadly the Major, who was also a great leader in the scout movement was bashed to death by some young thugs.
MELROSE DRIVE, (MELROSE DRIVE), UNCHANGED. Sadly because of airport expansion, many roadways or part thereof such as Grants, McNabs, Mansfields and Barbiston Rds, whose names recalled much Tullamarine history have, or soon will, disappear from maps, which makes it hard to precisely indicate property boundaries. This has recently happened to the Mt.Macedon/Deep Creek/Bulla/Lancefield road, which was again renamed after Jimmy Melrose not too long after the Airport opened. See:
Biography - Charles James (Jimmy) Melrose - Australian Dictionary of ...
Charles James (Jimmy) Melrose (1913-1936), aviator, was born on 13 September 1913 at Burnside, Adelaide, only child of James Melrose (d.1922), pastoralist, ..
CLEAR PHOTOS OF MR.A.McDOUGALL AND MR.H.DELAHEY, JUDGES AT AN R.A.S.V. EVENT IN 1920 AT MELBOURNE SHOWGROUNDS.
TWO WELL-KNOWN JUDGES.
The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) Saturday 2 October 1920 p 29 Article Illustrated
It is likely that these two men were relatives. Alexander McDougall, son of renowned Shorthorn Cattle breeder, Robert McDougall, was an expert horseman, having been the inaugural Master of the Oaklands Hunt from 1888 until he moved to Camperdown in 1900. Moving to W.A.in 1907 he became a stipendiary steward, soon after becoming chairman of stipendiary stewards, retaining the position until he retired in 1928. He died in W.A. in 1937.
There is no proof that the judge was the same A.McDougall and it seems strange that a West Australian would be a well known judge in Melbourne or even be in Melbourne but I believe that Alexander and Jane (nee Forrester) may have visited Melbourne every show week to touch base with relatives and old friends.Alexander's father had been the Secretary of the Moonee Ponds Farmers' Society in 1847 when it changed its name to the Port Phillip Farmers' Society so when this body became the Royal Agricultural Society, Alexander would have been no stranger to its members.
Harry Huntington Peck made a rare mistake in MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN when he stated that Henry Delahey had married a daughter of Robert McDougall. Henry Delahey Snr. had married Mary Dodd and his co-grantee of section 10 Doutta Galla, George Dodd, had a son named Robert, a prominent journalist on agriculture, who married Robert McDougall's daughter, Maggie. As the two judges appear to be about the same age, I believe that H.Delahey in the photo was Henry Delahey Jnr.
This journal arose from my effort to find out about Robert Dodd who had married Robert McDougall's daughter Maggie. I suspected that he was George Dodd's son. Little did I know that George had come out with at least two brothers-and a sister! When I was compiling Dodd/ Delahey information from the three Keilor historical souvenirs I had not come across Ray Dodd's research and it turns out that he arrived with his mother, four brothers and three sisters.
On Monday, at the ordinary meeting of
the shire council of Darebin, the presi-
dent formally announced the death of
Cr. Dodd, and moved, " That this council
adjourn for one week out of respect to
the memory of the late councillor, Robert
Dodd, and that an entry he recorded in the
minutes expressive of this council's in-
tense regret at the loss of one of its
oldest members and brightest ornaments."
The resolution was carried unanimously.
The following resolution was also carried : —
"That a copy of the foregoing resolution,
under the seal of the council, be forwarded
to the two brothers of the deceased, viz.,
Cr. Geo. Dodd, of Keilor Shire Council, and
Mr. William Dodd, formerly member of the
late Epping Road Board, and that the presi-
dent be requested to forward a letter of con-
dolence to those gentlemen, expressing to
them the heartfelt sympathies of this council
for their sad bereavement." (P.2, The Age, 18-5-1876.)
THE DAREBIN COUNCILLOR'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number5425 Registration year1876
Family nameDODD Given namesRobert SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnane) Place of birthIREL Place of death Age56 Spouse's family nameJOYCE Spouse's given namesAnne
Robert Dodd had married Ann Joyce* in 1850.
EventMarriage Event registration number791 Registration year1850
Family nameDODD Given namesRobert SexMale Spouse's family nameJOYCE Spouse's given namesAnne
HIS DEATH NOTICE.
DODD.—On the 7th inst, at his residency, Epping,
Mr. Robert Dodd, much respected R.I.P. (P.1, Argus, 8-5-1876.)
After Robert's death, Ann remarried as indicated by a death notice I found while investigating whether George Dodd's missing brother might be named John.
DODD.— On the 9th August at the residence of his
stepfather, G. A. Saxe, No. 91 Johnston-street,
Fitzroy, John Dodd son of the late Robert Dodd, of
Epping, of congestion of the lungs, aged 27 years.(P.1, The Age, 10-8-1882.)
ANN'S SECOND MARRIAGE.
EventMarriage Event registration number1396 Registration year1879
Family nameDODD Given namesAnnie SexFemale Spouse's family nameSAXE Spouse's given namesGeorge Augustus
Advertisement giving details of Robert Dodd's Epping farms. Neither of his brothers were executors.
BROTHER GEORGE; NOTE PARENTS.
EventDeath Event registration number4891 Registration year1884
Family nameDODD Given namesGeorge SexUnknown Father's nameWm Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnan) Place of birth Place of deathKEILOR Age74 Spouse's family nameCOFFEE Spouse's given namesMary
Well, for Victorian BDM, 2 out of 3 aint bad!
As it was not unknown for migrations of pioneers to take them farther from Melbourne along the same arterial roads, such as pioneers near Moorabbin moving to the Mornington Peninsula, it is possible that William moved from Epping to Alexandra in the 1870's and that this is the obituary of his son.
-Friday, May 1, 1942
The death occurred in Melbourne
on April 23, of Mr. William Dodd,
at the age of 77 years. Deceased
was a well known identity of Alex
andra and district, having come to
Alexandra with his parents, Mr.
and Mrs. William Dodd, and lived
here until a few months ago. He
was well respected throughout the
Shire. WM JNR
WILLIAM JNR'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number3931 Registration year1942
Family nameDODD Given namesWilliam SexMale Father's nameDODD William Mother's nameMary (Barrett) Place of birthCAMPBELLFIELD Place of deathNORTHCOTE Age77
See the proximity of Campbellfield and Epping on Melway maps 180-1. The place of birth given was usually where the birth was registered.
WILLIAM JNR'S BIRTH RECORD.
EventBirth Event registration number20753 Registration year1865
Family nameDODD Given namesWilliam SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameMary (Barrett) Place of birthCAMP.
Bearing in mind that there is not yet definite proof that William Snr was the brother of George and Robert, the family had arrived in the early 1840's and he married Mary Barrett in 1854.
EventMarriage Event registration number3318 Registration year1854
Family nameDODD Given namesWilliam SexMale Spouse's family nameBARRETT Spouse's given namesMary
INTERESTINGLY, there was a Cr. Barrett at Keilor in 1907.
KEILOR SHIRE COUNCIL.
The monthly meeting of the above was
held on Saturday last, when there were
present Crs. Taylor (President), Dela-
hey, Harrick, McNabb, O'Neill, Dodd,
and Barrett. (P.3, Sunbury News, 13-4-1907.)
GEORGE DODD'S SISTER.
McIntyre Road honours James McIntyre an early grantee in the parish of Cut Cut Paw across the river from the south west corner of the Dodd/ Delahey land in section 10, Doutta Galla so my eyes nearly popped out of my head when I saw that a Bridget Dodd had married James McEntyre. (Don't the Victorian BDM typists proof read their work? Perhaps that's how it was written in the original document and they have to reproduce it exactly.) Notice her parents are as for Robert and George.
EventDeath Event registration number5710 Registration year1885
Family nameMCINTYRE Given namesBridget SexUnknown Father's nameDodd Wm Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnan) Place of birth Place of deathMAIDSTONE Age65 Spouse's family nameMCINTYRE Spouse's given namesJames
History of the Keilor Hotel
George Dodd arrived in Australia in 1840 aboard the sailing ship Andromache. The colony was 5 years old with a population of just 5000 people He travelled with his mother, three brothers and four sisters. He was 25 years old and single, a stonemason from King’s County Ireland.
He became head quarryman supplying stone to build the first Princess bridge, that bridge was demolished in 1891 (the year of George’s death) to make way for the current Princess bridge. He scoured the colony to find a suitable quarry and ended up in Keilor. The quarry is still operating today (160 years later*) and naturally he built the first stone house in Keilor. He raised money and oversaw the building in stone of St Augustine’s Church in Keilor.
*That must have been the Niddrie Quarry.
Valley Lake - Places Victoria
During the 1970s the Niddrie Quarry in Melbourne's north western suburbs ceased operating and remained vacant for several decades.
George established the first school in Keilor, several years later Mathew Goudie opened a school in the Keilor Hotel. Mathew was a Scottish baker from Ayr who had previously run a bakers shop in Bourke St. Mathew purchased the Keilor Hotel in 1862 for the sum of 1000 pounds, it had been built in 1849, succeeding a timber building erected in 1842 by the Hunter brothers.
Georges son, John, married Mathews daughter, Mary, they had five children and established a farm called Brimbank (because the house was on the brim of the river bank). Today the areas of Keilor and Sunshire are the City of Brimbank.
After Mathew passed away another of his daughters, Jane, ran the Hotel to 1907 when the family decided to lease the Hotel out. Tough times followed with World war 1 and the Great Depression, John & Mary’s son Harry could remember collecting the money from the leasee and picking up 1 keg of beer from Bouverie St in his fathers horse drawn wagon, the keg could last 2 weeks before they had to make another delivery.
Post World War 2 prosperity returned to Keilor and to the only surviving hotel in the area (there were a dozen during the Gold Rush). Now the older generations of the Dodd and Goudie families had passed away, Harry preferred to remain a market gardener and it wasn’t until 1974 that Harry’s son Ray leased the Hotel from the family.
Over the next 20 years Ray managed to acquire all the shares in the Hotel. The clock had turned full circle and he was in the same position as his Great Grand Father was in 1862 but with the responsibility to carry on the tradition of Hospitality left by his family.
When I was asked to comment on the proposal to name a new suburb DELAHEY, I was pleased to offer information in support.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Delahey originally contained several farming properties. The Government acquired the land in the mid-to-late 1980s for re-subdivision as mostly residential properties. The suburb is named after William Delahey, who whilst still a baby, had arrived from Ireland with his parents and siblings Henry Delahey and Mary (née Dodd) in June 1840. Mr. William Delahey had been connected with the Keilor Shire Council for eighteen years and was elected as president during the year 1882–83. The suburb's name was formally adopted in 1994.
The Dodd/ Delahey clan included several other pioneering Catholic families such as the McCormacks, and through them, Maurice Crotty of Broomfield (now the Tullamarine Industrial Estate whose main thoroughfare is Tullamarine Park Rd) and the daughter of William O'Neil of "Horseshoe Bend". Ann Delahey married Patrick McCormack. I hope they had a good reunion! Any Crottys would have told the story of Maurice Crotty's wife racing to Corryong and saving the life of her brother(s?) by placing her body in the way of aborigines from Keilor intent on revenge. The Fitzpatricks of today's Avondale Heights, accessed then by North Pole Road, were also related. The McCoormacks had fled Tasmania to escape arrest for smuggling in Catholic priests according to a Crotty descendant (Glen Cotchen?)who said the McCormack property was Chesterfield of 44 acres south of Annandale Rd to about today's Lambeck Drive, which they would have been leasing from George Annand.
Subject: McCormack Family Reunion - Looking for relatives - Keilor
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:48:55 +1100
Sorry I can't help myself I'm very excited - we are finally organising a
family reunion. I would love to hear from any of the descendants of the
families listed below. The family first came to Victoria in about 1850
after spending 12 years or so in Tasmania. They settled in the Keilor
District and many of the family married into other local pioneering
families. Many of the family memebers also spend a lot of time up on the
high country around Corryong/Omeo and lived on a station called
If any of these names around the Keilor district mean anything to you please
drop me a line.
MARY MCCORMACK was born Abt. 1826 in Co Westmeath, IRL, and died 6 October
1887 in Tullamarine, Vic, AUS. She married MAURICE JAMES CROTTY 11 February
1861 at the House Of Mr McCormack, Keilor, Vic, AUS, son of MICHAEL CROTTY
and BRIDGET HAYES.
Their children were: MICHAEL PATRICK CROTTY (m. JOHANNA FITZGERALD, JAMES
MAURICE CROTTY (m. ELLEN CATHERINE FITZPATRICK) & MARY ANNE CROTTY (m. JOHN
PATRICK MCCORMACK was born Abt. 1829 in Co Westmeath, IRL, and died 22
January 1894 in Hoddle Street, Melbourne, Vic, AUS. He married ANN DELAHEY
Abt. 1860, daughter of HENRY DELAHEY and MARY DODD.
Patrick & Ann did not have any children.
JAMES MCCORMACK was born Abt. 1831 in Co Westmeath, IRL, and died 12 January
1916 in Tylden, Vic, AUS. He married MARY ANN O'NEIL 3 December 1860 in
Keilor, Vic, AUS at the Home Of William O'Neil, daughter of WILLIAM O'NEIL
and BRIDGET GORMAN.
Their children were: PATRICK WILLIAM MCCORMACK (m. MARGARET STOCKDALE),
SARAH ANN MCCORMACK (m. CHARLES GEORGE BARR), JAMES MCCORMACK (m. CATHERINE
ELIZABETH SMITH), DAVID NEIL MCCORMACK (m. LOUISA MARIA HILL), EDWARD ALFRED
MCCORMACK (m. BARBARA ANN MCDONALD), HENRY MCCORMACK (m. MARY ANN SMITH),
ALICE BRIDGET MCCORMACK (m. EDMOND CUSACK), FRANCIS JOHN MCCORMACK, GEORGE
MCCORMACK (m. EMILY ELLEN DONOVAN), SYDNEY FRANCIS MCCORMACK, CHARLES
STANLEY MCCORMACK (m. ABENA LILLLIAN WILSON), EMMA MARY EVELYN MCCORMACK &
EDITH GERTRUDE MCCORMACK (m. ARTHUR SMITH).
The Dodds and Delaheys seem to have run Oakleigh Park as a partnership.
ELECTION NOTICE.-KEILOR DISTRICT
ROAD BOARD.-I hereby give notice that the
following persons have been duly NOMINATED, in
accordance with the clause No 84 of the Local Govern-
ment Act, as CANDIDATES for the office of members
at the election for this district to be holden on the
11th August, 1804.
Patrick Phelan, Spring Park
Gcorgo Dodd, Oakleigh Park.
Dugald McPhail, South Park.
The number of members to be elected is two.
The election will be held at the Court-house,
Keilor, on Thursday the 11th August inst., commencing
at 8 a.m. , and closing at 4 p.m.
TOWNSEND SOMERVILLE, Returning Officer.
Keilor, August 4 (P.3, Argus, 9-8-1864.)
DELAHEY. -On the 12th inst., at her residence,
Oakleigh Park Keilor, Mrs. Mary Delahey, aged 65
years. RI.P. (P.1, Argus, 13-9-1876.)
I'm not sure exactly what the eastern boundary of Oakleigh Park was. Was it just in c/a 10 or did it include land in c/a 11A. But I know exactly where Shelton Farm was.
The Dodd and Delahey families owned the northern two thirds of crown allotments of crown allotment 11A Doutta Galla (between Milleara Rd and the line of Westleigh Place)and land west from there to the river in c/a 10, but I was puzzled to find an assessment for one of the Delaheys for land on 11B. This land,bounded by Milleara, Clarks and Rachelle Rds and Buckley St had been purchased by John Pascoe Fawkner and sold to his co-op. members, part of it housing Dr Crooke's sanitorium for a while, but eventually about two thirds of it became John Beale's "Shelton". When John retired to "Shelton" in Ardmillan Rd, Moonee Ponds, James Anderson, another Keilor pioneer, occupied the "North Pole Road" farm during the first half of the 1890's and Henry Delahey probably succeeded him when Anderson moved to James Wilson's old farm on the west side of today's Hoffman's Rd.
DELAHEY.—On the 18th April, at the residence
of his son, Mr. H. Delahey, "Shelton Farm,"
North Pole road, Keilor, William Delahey, aged
89 years. Requiescat in pace. (P.1, Argus, 20-4-1908.)
See c/a's 10, 11A and 11B on the first of the Doutta Galla Parish maps. The Lauricella and Graco closer settlement farms were part of the Dodd and Delahey 588 acre grant of c/a 10. You will also see the Fitzpatrick farm at the end of North Pole Rd.
GEORGE DODD'S MOTHER AND SIBLINGS.
Loughnane - Birr, Co. Offaly Ireland
cathie (View posts)
Posted: 15 Jan 2001 11:01AM
I'm doing a little research on my great-great- great grandmother who was Margaret Loughnane.
According to the 1821 census at Ballybrit Barony. Margaret was 37, and married to William Dodd aged 39. They had 8 children George (15), Mary* (14), John (12), Margaret (10), Bridget (8), Robert (7), William (4), and Jane (2).
(*AHA! It was Mary, George's sister, who married Henry Delahey Snr., joint grantee with George of section 10, Doutta Galla. Her death record shows that she had the same parents as George Dodd and his brothers Robert and William. Her birth place was possibly King's County, Ireland.
EventDeath Event registration number9285 Registration year1876
Family nameDELAHEY Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameDodd William Mother's nameMargaret (Loughnane) Place of birthKING Place of death Age65 Spouse's family nameDELAHEY Spouse's given namesHenry)
John married Mary McSweeney* and came to Australia in 1840.
(Hoping to find where George's brother John had died, I found Mary's death record but as Murphy's Law would dictate, the one detail missing was her place of death!
EventDeath Event registration number5288 Registration year1859
Family nameDODD Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameMcsweeney John Mother's nameEliza (Horan) Place of birthKIN Place of death Age38 Spouse's family nameDODD Spouse's given namesJohn
Despite the lack of a given name in the funeral notice of John Dodd's wife and the lack of a death notice, I believe the whereabouts of George Dodd's third brother has been found.
THE Friends of Mr. JOHN DODD are respectfully
invited to follow the remains of his late wife to
the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery
The funeral to move from his residence, Yarra Falls
near Dight's Mills, to-morrow, Friday, at 2 o'clock
JOHN DALEY, undertaker, La Trobe and Spring
streets, Melbourne. Page 8, Argus, 15-9-1859.
THE Friends of Mr. JOHN DODD are respectfully
invited to follow the remains of his late son, John,
to the place of Internment, Melbourne General Ceme-
tery. The funeral to move from his residence. Yarra
Falls, near Dight's Mills, this day, Friday, 25th inst,
at 3 o'olock p.m.
JOHN DALEY, undertaker, La Trobe and Spring
streets, Melbourne.) Page 8, Argus, 25-10-1861.
Unfortunately there was no birth record of John and Mary's son William*- see below-who must have been born in Ireland.However,disguised by Mary's maiden name being recorded as SWEENY, they did have a child born at Merri Creek and as shown at Melway 44 F3, the junction of Merri Creek and the Yarra is right near DIGHT'S FALLS. I wonder if they were on the land where William Thomas made his last efforts to save his beloved indigenous friends from extinction.
EventBirth Event registration number41878 Registration year1848
Family nameDODD Given namesMary SexFemale Father's nameDODD John Mother's nameMary (Sweeny) Place of birthMERRI CREEK
It could take years to find which of the countless references to JOHN DODD on trove after 1861 apply to George's brother.
*John married Mary McSweeney (also born in Ireland) and emmigrated to Australia in 1840.
Their son William Dodd married Margaret Ritchie in New Zealand in 1886. He is my great grandfather.
William Dodd - Message Boards - Ancestry
I'm interested in finding out info on the Loughnane side and what happened to Margaret and William and the rest of their children.
Re: Loughnane - Birr, Co. Offaly Ireland
Christine Perkins (View posts)
Posted: 28 Dec 2013 08:29PM
Surnames: Dodd Loughnane
You have probably already discovered the following Cathie, but just in case.
Your (any my) great great great grandmother Margaret (Loughnane) Dodd immigrated to Australia with her children after her husband William died. She arrived on the ship Andromache in Jun 1840. She died in Melbourne in 1852. Her children settled as farmers in various places north of Melbourne, Keilor, Campbellfield, and later Benalla and Cashel. Some of her descendants still live in those areas but of course the families have spread far and wide by now.
MAGGIE McDOUGALL AND HER FUTURE HUSBAND GREW UP ABOUT HALF A MILE APART.
During the 1860's, Maggie's father, Robert McDougall was leasing the Aitken Estate, section 8 of the parish of Doutta Galla each side of where the Maribyrnong River comes within 240 metres of Buckley St. The north west corner of section 8 is opposite the south end of Rachelle Rd. The south east corner of section 10 Doutta Galla granted to George Dodd and Henry Delahey, Robert Dodd's father and uncle, was near Rita Court, just west of Arcade Way. His father and uncle were granted the northern two third of 11A, north of Lauricella St. and West Gateway which would be slightly closer, 1500 metres. We should make a history series about the countless brides and grooms who grew up near each other, and perhaps call it NEIGHBOURS!!!
The following confirms my suspicion that Robert Dodd was George's son. My word, Keilor can claim some renowned journalists as early residents: Edward Wilson, Donald Macdonald, C.P.Blom and ROBERT DODD.
MR. ROBERT DODD : FOR MANY YEARS AGRICULTURAL EDITOR OF
" THE AUSTRALASIAN."
Died July 14 at his residence, Mandeville-crescent, Toorak.
MR. ROBERT DODD.
THE DEATH OF A POPULAR
We have to record with deep regret the
loss of a valued member of "The Austral-
asian" staff—Mr. Robert H. Dodd, agricul-
tural editor, who died at his residence.
Mandeville-crescent, Toorak, on Friday
night, the 14th July, aged 56. He had been
connected with this journal for 14 years,and
was widely known throughout Victoria and
the other States as a man whose experience,
soundness of judgment, and uprightness of
character placed him among the first in his
branch of the profession. In his earlier
days Mr. Dodd had had a great deal of
practical acquaintance with farming and
dairying—he was the second son of the late
Mr. George Dodd, of The Oaks, Keilor—
and there was very little touching the rural
industries on which he was not able to give
a reliable opinion. Apart from his profi-
ciency as an agricultural expert, he had
other qualities which won him in a singular
degree the liking—rather the affection—of
all who came into contact with him. Every
acquaintance came quickly to look upon him
as a friend. Quiet and equable in his man-
ner he had a never-failing spring of humour,
which made him the pleasantest of conver-
sationalists and raconteurs. As his gift for
mimicry and witticism was wedded to the
kindliest disposition, no one was wounded
ever so slightly by the mirth be made; in-
deed, no man could be more considerate
than he to the feelings of others. There
was much virility and determination in his
character—he was a strong man, with well
defined views en most matters, yet the free
expression of them never appeared to make
him enemies. The wide circle who valued
him as a genial companion and warm-
hearted friend had watched for some years
past the courageous fight he made against
a severe malady which attacked him, neces-
sitating two surgical operations. His in-
domitable resolution bad a great deal to do
with the recovery be made. The heart was,
however, affected, and be succumbed to a
siezure which occurred some four or five
days before his death. Although his medi-
cal adviser. Dr. E. Barrett, had hopes of a
rally, a relapse occurred on Friday evening
last week, and the end came suddenly. Mr.
Dodd leaves a widow, who was Miss Mar-
garet M'Dougall, daughter of the late Mr.
Robert M'Dougall of Arundel, Keilor, one
of the pioneer breeders of shorthorn cattle
The funeral of the deceased took place in
the Melbourne Cemetery on Sunday, and
was attended by a very large gathering of
journalistic friends and members of the
Yorick Club, of which Mr. Dodd was a most
popular member. The burial service was
read by the Rev. Dr. Marshall. The chief
mourner was Mr. John Dodd, a brother of
the deceased gentleman, and the pall-bear-
ers were Mr. David Watterston (the re-
presentative of the Edward Wilson estate
on "The Argus" proprietary), Dr. E. S.
Cunningham (editor of "The Argus"), Mr.
E. T. Fricker (editor of "The Austral-
Fix this textasian"), Mr. W. Moxon Cook (sporting
editor of "The Australasian"), Mr. H.
Burrell (printer of "The Argus"), Dr. E.
Barrett, Mr. W. Davidson (inspector-gene-
ral of Public Works), and Mr. W. J.
Fookes. Among other old friends and col-
leagues present were Messrs. D. H. Maling,
Donald Macdonald, George Bell, F. M.
Robinson, and F. W. Lydiard. (P.32, The Australasian, 22-7-1911.)
I was going to send my information to the people who had posted on ancestry forums and helped my research so greatly- until I read this. How dare these rogues charge people for information that has been provided for free. If they'd asked me on FAMILY TREE CIRCLES for help they'd HAVE GOT ASSISTANCE FOR NOTHING.
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BITS AND PIECES.
I finally got around to reading the Brimbank, Delahey and Dodd entries in my Dictionary History of Tullamarine and Miles Around written in late 1989 and early 1990 from multiple sources, but not the internet of course. I found several references that I just searched for, without success, on trove. For example, the Dodd Brothers had established the Keilor Dairy in St.James Street,Moonee Ponds in 1891 according to the Essendon Gazette.
The 1868 Bailliere directory for Keilor listed John and Robert Dodd of Mount Rivers. I found no reference to such a farm on trove and it could not have been part of section 10 Doutta Galla, known only as Oakleigh Park with the Dodd southern 294 acres later being dubbed The Oaks. My conclusion therefore is the same that I came to in 1990, that Mt Rivers was all or part of the land in the parish of Maribyrnong granted to Henry Delahey's wife, Mary, George Dodd's sister. (The link for the Maribyrnong parish map is given in my final comment about Mary and George's sister, Margaret, who married Richard Fitzgerald.) Whether the said residents of Mt. Rivers were George's brothers is not my concern at the moment. I have made the statement that the Dodds and Delaheys were concerned in the doings on both sides of the river, which explains why this fellow was killed on Ballarat Rd. Many references to the Dodd family may be similarly disguised.
Raymond Richard Dodds, 26, dairy
farmer, of Keilor, was killed when a
motor cycle he was riding came into col
lision with a motor car on Ballarat
Road, near Sunshine. (P.8, Weekly Times, 26-5-1934.)
I couldn't find a death record for RAYMOND RICHARD DODD in 1934, so I deleted the given names.
EventDeath Event registration number4248 Registration year1934
Family nameDODD Given namesRichard Ray SexMale Father's nameDODD John Mother's nameMary (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathSUNSHINE Age27
I presume that his mother was Mary or Marie(Goudie) and he was born on "Brimbank" about two years before her death on 14-11-1909, aged just 42*. (P.1, Argus, 15-11-1909.)
DODD. –On the 18th May result of an acci-
dent, Richard Ray, loved youngest son of John
and the late Mary Dodd, of Brimbank Keilor,
and loving brother of Doris, George, John, and
Henry, aged 27 years.--R.I.P.(P.1, Argus, 21-5-1934.)
John Dodd died in 1945 and luckily his son Henry, known as Harry, stated writing a history of Brimbank, the Dodds, Goudies and Delaheys, continued by Harry's son, Raymond who later bought the Keilor Hotel and filled it with historical photos. The motor cyclist was obviously referred to by his second given name.
DODD.-On March 28, John Dodd, of
Brimbank Keilor, beloved husband of the
late Mary, and loved father of Doris, George,
John, Henry, and Raymond (deceased).
-Requiescat in pace. (P.2, Argus, 29-3-1945.)
This journal is about George Dodd and his siblings so I have not ventured into detailing their descendants but, as you will probably have guessed, John was George's son.
EventDeath Event registration number2816 Registration year1945
Family nameDODD Given namesJohn SexMale Father's nameDODD George Mother's nameMary (Coffey) Place of birthKEILOR Place of deathFITZROY Age81
The Brimbank Homestead is beautifully restored, as shown here.
Some of the information given by Harry and/or Ray Dodd, include detail about the stone walls used to separate paddocks, Richard's Lookout (probably on section 20, named after Richard Delahey), a later transition to market gardening (like the Borrells of Gumm's Corner) and John Dodd building a suspension footbridge across the river from Brimbank to the school- a photo of this bridge exists somewhere.
The school was between the river and Bonfield St at the top of the Bonfield Reserve from 1875 for about seventy years until relocating to the bottom of the reserve where the Church of England school had operated in earlier days. Therefore John Dodd's footbridge was probably below today's Garden Avenue with the children accessing the school via Horseshoe Bend Rd.
Donald Macdonald and George Dodd's son, Robert, (who married Maggie McDougall),must have attended the Church of England School unless they went to St.Augustine's School."The Anglican and Catholic churches opened schools in 1853." (http://www.victorianplaces.com.au/keilor) A different obituary for Robert Dodd (P.4, Benalla Standard, 18-7-1911)than the one included above seems certain that Donald and Robert attended the same school.
"Mr. Dodd, who for years resided at Sama-
ria (where he may be said to have gradu-
ated as a journalist, as correspondent for
the ' Standard'), was the second eldest
son of the late Mr. Ceorge Dodd, of 'The
Oaks,' Keilor, and was induced to adopt
journalism as a profession on the urgent
representations of an old friend and
schoolfellow, Mr.Donald Macdonald."
Donald would seem to have attended the state school according to his obituary below*, or rather the common school which the C. of E. school might have become in 1862. If I remember correctly William Savage taught at St Augustine's until state aid was withdrawn,and ran night classes to supplement his income. (I have no idea of the source of this information about William Savage. It may have come from the Keilor State School entry in Vision and Realisation published to celebrate the centenary of the Education Department circa 1972 or articles by Chris Laskowski in Keilor Historical Society newsletters during the early 1990's, compiled from articles that are obviously not on trove, where the only mention of William Savage, teacher, follows the name of George Dodd, as a donor to Catholic fundraising in 1868. At least this shows that William was a Roman Catholic. Page I-L43 of my dictionary history of Tullamarine and miles around has the following entry:
William Savage, the teacher at St. Augustine's school, became the first teacher at Keilor's state school in Bonfield St. on 5-7-1875.)
"Donald Alaster Macdonald (1859?-1932), journalist and Nature writer, was born probably on 6 June 1859 at Fitzroy, Melbourne, elder son of Donald Macdonald and his wife Margaret, née Harris. His father farmed near Keilor, but after their mother died Donald and his brother lived with an aunt in the town. He was educated at the local state school, becoming a pupil-teacher in 1876 "(adb.anu.edu.au/biography/macdonald-donald-alaster-7335)
THE LATE MR. ROBERT
The remains of the late Mr. Robert
McDougall, who died at Ellora, Moonee
Ponds, on Saturday last, were buried at yester-
day in the Melbourne General Cemetery. The
funeral service was read by the Rev. H.
McKail of Bulla, the deceased being in-
terred in the Presbyterian division, imme-
diately in the rear of the grave of the late
James McPherson Grant. Amongst those
who attended the funeral were nearly all the
members of the council of the National Agric-
ultural Society of Victoria, of which body the
late Mr McDougall was a few years since an
active member. Many residents of the Keilor
district, where Mr. McDougall had lived for
some 15 years past, also took part in
the last rites. The pall bearers were all
relatives of the deceased, amongst them
being his only son, Mr. A McDougall; his
father-in-law, Mr. E.(*sic) Rankin, of Ascotvale;
and his sons-in-law, Messrs. A. Cameron and
A. Smith. The late Mr. McDougall was born
on the 16th April, 1813 on a cold sheep farm
at the foot of Shiechallion, in the parish of
Fortingall, Perthshire. The first 17 years of
his life were spent on the farm, and then he
removed to the western isles of Inverness
and Ross, where he remained for six years.
At that time the immense fishing capabilities
of the seas in which these isles are situated
were unknown, save to a few sportsmen.
Here Mr. McDougall, who was an
enthusiastic fisherman, spent his time
pleasantly enough fishing and otter hunting.
In 1836 he sailed for Canada, and for three
years lived on the Huron Track, then a new
settlement. He did not take to Canadian
life, and returned to his native land. Finding
that many of his acquaintances had, during
his absence, departed for Australia, he decided
to follow their example, and emigrate.
After a 16 weeks voyage, he landed in Port
Phillip in November, 1841. He found the
pastoral interest in a very depressed
condition, owing to the sudden and great
depreciation in the value of both live stock
and wool. Soon after landing Mr. McDougall
undertook the management of the herd of
cattle kept by Messrs. T. and S. Learmonth,
at Ercildoune. Like most Highlanders he
was an expert manager of cattle, and in 1848
he commenced cattle-breeding on his own
account, renting a portion of the Glenroy
estate from the late D. Kennedy, and his
first stock were a dozen well-bred heifers,
which he bought from Messrs. Gardiner and
Fletcher, of Mooroolbark. The prosperity
consequent upon the discovery of gold in
Victoria gave him
the opportunity he had looked for,
and in 1853 he went to Tasmania, and
bought the two Auroras, mother and daugh-
ter, from the late Mr. Theodore Bartley, of
Launceston, whose stock were from the Van
Diemen's Land Company's stud. In 1855 he again went to Tasmania, and bought from the Van Dieman's Land Company eight very fine cows,
and from these are descended the finest
animals in the Arundel herd. From Cona,
Mr.McDougall removed to a property near
Essendon, which he rented from the late
Mr. Aitken, who came to the colonies in the
same vessel as Mr. McDougall. Another
fellow passenger was the late Mr. David
McLaws, of Tower-hill, near Koroit, and it is
a notable thing that several of the passengers
by this ship, who came to Australia equipped
with little more than stout hearts and
willing hands, all became successful colonists,
and died wealthy. About 16 years ago Mr.
McDougall purchased the Arundel estate
from the late Mr. Edward Wilson, and he
resided there till a few days before his death.
The story of his life from 1853 is a record of
the stud herd he founded; a herd that is
favourably known to cattle-breeders through-
out the wide bounds of Australia. When the
prospect looked darkest for the owners of
cattle, Mr. McDougall never relaxed
in his efforts to improve his herd by the
importation of the best blood he could secure
in the old country. In 1859, Mr. McDougall
visited England, and purchased some stud
bulls, but in this, as well as several other
shipments, he had more or less misfortune
through high-priced animals dying on the
passage to the colonies. He was in England
a second time in 1870, when he bought from
Mr. T.C. Booth, of Warlaby, the white bull
Field Marshall Booth, then a calf, and Major
Booth, both of which sires proved of immense
value in the Arundel herd. His last import-
ation was in 1883, when he brought out the
Farewell bull Sir Roderick, which soon after
arrival took champion prize at the National
Agricultural Society's show in Melbourne. Mr.
McDougall was a thoroughly skilled stock
breeder, and had made a careful study of the
subject for the greater portion of his life. He
had great knowledge and experience, and on
all matters relating to cattle breeding he held
strong opinions, which in public controv-
ersy he was apt to urge with more force of
language than those opposed to him liked.
For over 40 years of his life his best efforts
were given to improve the breed of cattle in
his adopted country, and owing to his energy,
skill and great judgement he achieved a great
success. For a short time Mr. McDougall
sat in the Victorian Parliament**, but politics
were not to his taste, and it is as a breeder
of stud shorthorns that for many a year to
come the name of Robert McDougall will be
familiar 'as a household word' with the
breeders of high-class cattle in Australia. For
many months past Mr. McDougall has been
in failing health. He was in his 75th year, and
leaves a widow and six children, one son and
five daughters, to mourn their loss. (P.9, Argus, 29-6-1887.)
*EventDeath Event registration number1516 Registration year1913
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesMargt SexUnknown Father's nameRankin Jno Mother's nameJean (Cance) Place of birth Place of deathEsdon Age79
**MLA West Bourke 1st Nov 1856 1st Aug 1857 Resigned
At Roseneath Cottage, near Flemington, on Wed-
nesday, 20th inst., by special license, by the Rev.
John Reid, Minister of St. John's Presbyterian Church,
Doutta Galla, Robert McDougall, Esq., of Glenroy, to
Margaret, eldest daughter of John Rankin, Esq. (P.4, Argus, 26-7-1853.)
McDOUGALL - On the 16th February, at her home,
"Corswall," Moonee Ponds, Margaret widow of
the late Robert McDougall, of "Arundel,"
Keilor, aged 78 years. (P.1, Argus, 18-2-1913.)
John Rankin was one of the earliest residents of Kensington and was the grantee of land at the south corner of Princes Street (later renamed Rankins Road) and Macaulay Rd. Roseneath Cottage provided a pleasant view of Edward Byam Wight's "The Ridge" at the top of Kensington Hill but by the time that Peter Eadie of Ben Eadie at Sunbury became his brother-in-law, the view was interrupted by the Kensington Railway Station.
EADIE--RANKIN.--On tho 24th inst., at Roseneath-
cottage, Kensington, by the Rev. A.D. Kininmont,
Union Church, North Melbourne, Peter Eadie, Esq.,
merchant, Sunbury, to Jane, second daughter of
John Rankin, Esq., Kensington.(P.4, Argus, 25-2-1864.)
Thus Robert McDougall was the uncle of Robert Eadie, who not only saved Winston Churchill's life during the Boer war but set up the platypus habitat at the Healeville Sanctuary.
The obituary stated that Robert McDougall had one son and five daughters. As indicated below they were:
SON. Alexander McDougall, married Jessie Forrester.
DAUGHTERS. 1.Caroline, married Alexander Cameron; 2. Jeannie (Jane) married Sandy Smith; 3. Maggie, married Robert Dodd; 4. Grace (d.1940 aged 77 unmarried.) 5.Helena, youngest daughter, d. 1950 aged 79 unmarried.
Birth records of children (1854-1879) born to Robert and Margaret. Victorian BDM has only three records, as below. There are 8 records for Alexander McDougall but none with the right parents named.There were no Carolines. There was only one result for Helena, with the wrong parents named. I'm sure that Robert, author of the shorthorn stud book, would have registered the births of these three, so the lack of them on the index would seem to be the fault of Victorian BDM.
EventBirth Event registration number372 Registration year1856
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesJane SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankine) Place of birthGLENROY
EventBirth Event registration number17766 Registration year1860
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthGLEN
EventBirth Event registration number20589 Registration year1862
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesGrace SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthESSE
While at Glenroy, Robert stood for parliament, not being afraid to take on his landlord, Donald Kennedy.
The only other election on account of
resignation is that of a member for North
Bourke, in room of Mr. John Thomas
Smith. The candidates for this seat already
in the field are, Messrs. Donald Kennedy,
of Melbourne, A. Mackillop, R. McDou-
gall, of Glenroy; and Wm. B. Burnley,
of Richmond. (P.4, Argus, 9-6-1853.)
Robert and his landlord,Donald Kennedy,both of Glenroy, were appointed magistrates in 1857.
P.3, The Age, 27-8-1857.)
He'd been involved in trying to improve things as early as 1849 when he wrote a very detailed open letter to John Pascoe Fawkner, whose grant was across today's Victoria St/ Rhodes Parade from the Glenroy Estate.
Paste http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4774200 into your search bar.
An advertisement placed in about 1852 by Robert McDougall showed that he was taking a keen protective interest in the Bulla area. He warned that people removing timber from the properties of Alexander Kennedy (north end of the parish of Tullamarine, including the Inverness Hotel) and John Cameron (grantee of c/a 11 Bulla Bulla, which became Robert's Warlaby) would be prosecuted.For some weird reason I can't re-find this notice. He was later to buy Cameron's grant and name it Warlaby after the stud of Major Booth. The following comes from my dictionary history of Bulla journal.
WARLABY.(Section 11, Bulla Bulla; Melway 384 J8-homestead.)
See the heritage study:
[PDF] Place: Warlaby - Hume City Council
Warlaby is of State level heritage significance for the evidence of its use as a ..... that the Bulla property was named Warlaby after the Booths' stud, probably to ...
The study stated that not much was known about Maurice Quinlan. See my journal about him. Maurice was a bookmaker and for a time lived in James Robertson Jnr.'s Aberfeldie mansion that gave the suburb its name. According to one of my informants,probably Bob Blackwell,Quinlan's son became an Australian boxing champion.
The name, Warlaby, came from the stud of Major Booth who developed the Booth strain of shorthorns of which Robert McDougall was the prime breeder in Victoria and probably Australia. This brought him into conflict with Niel Black (grantee of the northern 777 acres of Gladstone Park and Western District squatter) and Henry Stevenson* of "Niddrie" who favoured the Bates strain.
The heritage study states that Isaac Batey gave John Cameron's name for Warlaby as -- but death notices indicate that the original name was "Tobernaroy".
DIED. On the 26th inst., at Tobernaroy, Bulla Bulla, Deep Creek, Mary, the beloved wife of John Cameron, aged 42 years.(P.4, Argus,27-9-1854.)
In "Memoirs of a Stockman", Harry Peck tells us that Frank Goyder, who was on Oak Park in 1880, bred racehorses and raced a few good ones such as the big chestnut, Sussex. Harry makes the apparently strange claim that Robert McDougall of "Arundel" (Melway 4,H/12) and Henry Stevenson of "Niddrie" (16, A/9) were neighbours. However they had adjoining land at Strathmore in 1880 with Henry on St. Johns and Robert on 200 acres to the north or east. Both probably bred Shorthorn cattle there, but there the similarity ended. Stevenson followed the Bates strain and was therefore a declared enemy of McDougall who supported the Booth strain.
Sandy Smith grew up on "Norwood" on the south side of Buckley St, between the Aitken Estate and North Road, Avondale Heights and would have seen plenty of his neighbour Jeannie.
SMITH - McDOUGALL - On the 24th inst., at the resi-
dence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. Hugh
M'Kail, Bulla, Alexander Smith, of the firm of King
and Cunningham, stock and station agents, Mel-
bourne, to Jeannie, second daughter of Robert
McDougall, J.P., of Arundel, Keilor.(P.1, Argus, 29-11-1881.)
Paste http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/74589268 into your search bar to see Alexander Smith's 1915 obituary.
Sandy or Jane later moved to Coilsfield which was later demolished for the construction of the Essendon Hospital. Old residents of Ardmillan Road to the north told me that a lane on the downhill side of number 39 was known as Smith's Lane because it connected the Smith house on the site of the 1857 Ardmillan mansion with Coilsfield. The owner of the Ardmillan Rd house, Sandy and Jane's only son, was named after his maternal grandfather and the house was obviously named after John Rankin's Roseneath Cottage at Kensington.
SMITH.— On February 4, at his
home, "Roseneath," 33 Ard-
millan-road,, Moonee Ponds, Robert
McDougall, only son of the late
Alexander and Jane Smith, "Coils-
field, Moonee Ponds, and brother
of Heather.(P.2, The Age, 6-2-1952.)
DODD - McDOUGALL - On the 21st December, at
Corswall, Moonee Ponds, by The Rev. Alex.
Marshall D.D., Robert Dodd to Maggie, third
daughter of the late Robert McDougall, Arun-
del. (P.9, Argus, 13-1-1900.)
MAGGIE'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number6800 Registration year1935
Family nameDODD Given namesMargaret SexFemale Father's nameMCDOUGALL Robert Mother's nameMargt (Rankin) Place of birth Place of deathHAWTHORN Age74
McDOUGALL (MacDougall) - On June
28, at her home, 9 McMillan street,
Elsternwick, Helena, youngest daughter
of the late Robert McDougall, of
Arundel, Keilor, and late of Holmes
road, Moonee Ponds, in her 79th year.
McDOUGALL - On June 28, at Elstern-
wick, Miss Helena McDougall, vice-
president and foundress (with her sis-
ter, Miss Grace McDougall*) of the
Melbourne Branch of the British Union
for Abolition of Vivisection (By re-
quest, no flowers.) (P.19. Argus, 30-6-1950.)
* EventDeath Event registration number6010 Registration year1940
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesGrace SexFemale Father's nameMCDOUGALL Robert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthESSENDON Place of deathMOONEE PONDS Age77
To identify the fifth daughter of Robert and Margaret McDougall, I assumed that A. Cameron, the other son-in-law at Robert's funeral, was Alexander and searched marriage records for this name. I then found the death record for Caroline Cameron.Her address was given in her death notice. She was buried in the Melbourne Cemetery, Carlton.
EventMarriage Event registration number6547 Registration year1885
Family nameCAMERON Given namesAlexander SexMale Spouse's family nameMCDOUGALL Spouse's given namesCaroline
EventDeath Event registration number13848 Registration year1942
Family nameCAMERON Given namesCaroline SexFemale Father's nameMCDOUGALL Robert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthGLENROY Place of deathELSTERNWICK Age88
CAMERON.-On December 20 (suddenly),
at 9 McMillan street, Elsternwick, Caroline,
widow of Alexander Cameron, and eldest
daughter of the late Robert and Margaret
McDougall, of Arundel, Keilor, aged 88
years.(P.2, Argus, 22-12-1942.)
Robert and Margaret's only son (to outlive his father, at least)was Alexander, known as Sandy, who lived at Warlaby after his marriage before moving to Western Australia in about 1900. He probably met his future wife while on the Aitken Estate. The Forresters were early residents on James Watson's grant between McCracken St and Lincoln Road, Forrester Street, named after them, being continued west through Mar Lodge and Butzbach to Hoffmans Rd as those farms were also subdivided.
McDOUGALL—FORRESTER - On tho 9th August, at
Blairgowrie, North Brighton, by tho Rev. J. Hay, Alex
ander, only son of the late Robert M'Dougall, Arundel,
Keilor, to Jessie, youngest daughter of the late Charles
Forrester.(P.5, The Age, 11-8-1888.)
Jessie would have been soon immersed in the activities of the newly formed Oaklands Hunt Club which had been formed after a paper chase ride organised by Farquhar McCrae, who was in charge of the hunters at Glenara, which started at Warlaby. And who do you think was the first master of Foxhounds?
MASTERS OF FOXHOUNDS
1888 – 1900 Alexander McDougall (https://oaklandshunt.com.au/)
Much information about Sandy, and probably photos, will be found in THE OAKLANDS HUNT, D.F. Cameron Kennedy, the centenary history of the club.
While Robert was on the Aitken Estate he'd issued strict instructions about what to do with straying cattle so that his breeding program wouldn't be compromised. Endeavouring to follow instructions cost a new employee his life. See http://www.familytreecircles.com/dr-john-dunbar-tweedale-pioneer-of-essendon-and-the-mornington-peninsula-vic-aust-67582.html
ROBERT McDOUGALL AND JOHN AITKEN.
A passage in Robert's obituary at the start of the journal concerns me regarding its accuracy. The claim that he arrived in November 1841 could be accurate or just a little bit out but the main concern is that John Aitken was said to be a fellow passenger.
Mr.McDougall removed to a property near
Essendon, which he rented from the late
Mr. Aitken, who came to the colonies in the
same vessel as Mr. McDougall. Another
fellow passenger was the late Mr. David
McLaws, of Tower-hill, near Koroit, and it is
a notable thing that several of the passengers
by this ship, who came to Australia equipped
with little more than stout hearts and
willing hands, all became successful colonists,
and died wealthy."
John Aitken of Mount Aitken arrived much earlier, from Van Dieman's Land, soon after John Batman had signed his treaty and had decided where he'd squat before his sheep, the ones that survived, had to carried ashore near Arthurs Seat in 1836 when the Chili went aground on a sandbank. An article, or perhaps a heritage study, about John Aitken or Mount Aitken that I read some years ago, stated, as I remember, that he had crossed at Solomon's Ford, heading west to the east branch of Kororoit Creek and then north towards Mt Aitken following a track that became the Calder Highway. This was the basis of my assumption that he had purchased section 8 Doutta Galla, (whose south west corner at the bottom of Melway 27 F8 was only 1200 metres from Solomons Ford) as a depot to rest his sheep being driven to market.
FROM DHOTAMA, PAGE Mc.33.
Robert McDougall's biography in VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS 1888, stated that he arrived in 1842. It is possible that his ship was placed in quarantine for a month or so before he was allowed to go ashore to explain the variation from the claim in his obituary that he arrived in November 1841. Unfortunately, I only copied snippets of Robert's biography, such as Robert being on Glenroy for 14 years and the Aitken Estate for 10 years, but 29 years later, I still recall that it mentioned the success achieved by many of his fellow passengers. I did not record this but I'm sure that if John Aitken's name had been mentioned as an example, I would have done so.
Of interest is that Harry Peck had stated in MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN that Harry Delahey had married one of Robert McDougall's daughters. H.H.Peck was wrong but not by much because the Dodds and Delaheys were related and Robert Dodd (probably the son of George Dodd)married Maggie, the third daughter of Robert McDougall.
Most of the genealogy that I have provided here was in the DHOTAMA entry, obtained from Angela Evans' KEILOR PIONEERS:DEAD MEN DO TELL TALES. Margaret Rankin had been born in Hobart on 14-12-1835. There were also photocopied excerpts from Harry Huntington Peck's book and the catalogue of the Arundel herd to be sold on 1-12-1887, maps showing properties, rate book details etc*. Any descendants who would like the Mc. file could private message me requesting it and providing an email address to which I can send it.
*For example, Alexander McDougall was born at Glenroy in 1859. He did not move to Western Australia in 1900 as I wrongly stated before. In 1900 he moved to Camperdown but by 1907 he was a stipendary steward of the Western Australia Turf Club. Appointed chairman of Stipendary stewards in 1909, he retained the position until 1928 when he retired. He died while visiting a friend aboard S.S.Chitral at Fremantle in 1938* aged 79.
*This is wrong! Alexander died in 1937. Thanks to Janilye, I might be able to give the link for the report of his funeral. Trove
Were there two John Aitkens? A trove search in the 1840's revealed that there was a John C.Aitken but Isaac Batey referred to the grantee of Mount Aitken in this way. I have found no reference to John Aitken returning home circa 1840 which would account for a return voyage to Port Phillip in 1841-2.
While trying to confirm or disprove the claim that Robert McDougall had come out on the same ship as John Aitken, I found that Robert McDougall had been an auctioneer and was secretary of the Moonee Ponds Farmers' Society when it had changed its name.
TO-MORROW, JULY 14.
Unreserved Sale of first-rate
MR. R. MCDOUGALL
Is instructed to sell, at the Market Yards,
TO-MORROW (Wednesday), 14th. Inst ,
at One o'clock, p. m.,
30 VERY SUPERIOR DAIRY COWS
springing, and with young Calves.
July 12th, 1847.(P. 3, The Melbourne Argus, 13-7-1847.)
THIS DAY, (Tuesday), 14th INSTANT,
at the Market Yards,
TWO TEAMS OF WORKING BUL-
September 14, 1847 (P.3, The Melbourne Argus, 14-9-1847.)
THE (late) MOONEE PONDS FARMERS
To the Editor of the Argus.
Sir, — At a meeting of the Committee of Ma-
nagement of the above Society, which took place
pursuant to advertisements, at the store of Messrs
Thomson and Duncan, Great Bourke-street, Mel-
bourne, on the 18th of August last, the enclosed
Rules und Regulations, for the ensuing match,
were approved of unanimously by the Committee.
The most important alteration from the original
Code, as you will observe, was changing the name
"Moonee Ponds Farmers' Society " to " Port
Phillip Farmers' Society."
The Committee sanguinely hope that by thus
changing the name of the Society, the sphere of
its operations and usefulness will be extended ; and
that outlandish folks will have no plausible ex-
cuse for not furthering the good cause. The
Committee also confidently expect that the Editor
of the Argus (from his having from the outset
taken such a warm interest in the proceedings of
the Society,) will give an insertion to their Rules
in his far-famed journal. Hoping yet to have the
pleasure to meet you " amang the rigs o' bar-
I remain, Sir,
Your most obedient servant,
9th October, 1848.(P.2, Argus, 10-10-1848.)
Neil Mansfield's magnificent Bulla Cemetery Index shows that one of Alexander McDougall's sons died while he was on "Warlaby" whose homestead at Melway 384 J8 is heritage-listed.
1345 McDOUGALL Archibald William 3M 00/10/1895 00/00/1896 06/01/1896 Presb. 1 13 Son of Alexander McDougall & Janet Forrester. Died in Bulla, Victoria, Australia.
This is the death record of John Dunbar Tweeddale/ Tweedale.
EventDeath Event registration number2471 Registration year1897
Family nameTWEEDALE Given namesJno Dunbar SexUnknown Father's nameTweedale Jas Mother's nameMargt (Dunbar) Place of birth Place of deathMelb E Age82
It is possible that the doctor's father was a Melbourne merchant who had died by 1868 and the J.W.Tweeddale listed on the Wannaeue parish map as the grantee of crown allotment 1 of section A bounded by Old Cape Schanck, Grasslands and Browns Rds south of Rosebud of which the Tudor Caravan Park at Melway 170E 7/8 was part.
While researching for my review of Rosalind Peatey's SETTING THE SPIRIT FREE, I discovered that one of the Southern Peninsula pioneers had died, probably in Melbourne, despite the efforts of Dr. Tweedale of Essendon, and, as they say, curiosity killed the cat! I found a great story about the doctor and other pioneers living near the junction of Steele Creek and the Maribyrnong River at Melway 27 J4.
Paste the following into your search bar to get the Wannaeue and Doutta Galla parish maps:
digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_publish/simpleimages/30/2611207.html See c/a 1 of A south of Jetty Rd.
digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_publish/compleximages/46/2442850.html Map 1.
Before we get to the story, here is much information about the doctor such as his background as a Naval Surgeon, his family and various residences over the years as well as his having been "Acting Health Officer and Superintendent of the Quarantine Station at Point Nepean 1885, 1888, 1890, 1896 (VGG)"
ABOUT THE FARMS AND PIONEERS IN THE STORY.
Section 12 Doutta Galla was known as Main's Estate. It was subdivided in quite early days. Between Rosehill Rd and Buckley St were two farms: Sinclair's farm of 114 acres from Rachelle Rd to Steele Creek and 112 acres 2 roods and 19 perches owned by Dougal McPhail from the creek to Hoffmans Rd.
South of Mains Estate was the Aitken estate, by then leased by Robert McDougall who had commenced his renowned breeding of Booth-strain Shorthorn cattle in the early 1850's on "Cona" on the Glenroy estate and in 1872 would move onto Arundel in Tullamarine where he'd built a mansion that survives today with the balconied facade replaced by fenestration as the architects call it. Main had possibly bought his estate because of the bluestone available in Spring Gully and John Aitken would have bought section 8 as a depot where his sheep could rest on the way to market after crossing the original Solomons Ford at Melway 27 C9 (not 27 B8 as claimed.)
Peter McCracken, who'd rented Stewarton (today's Gladstone Park) 1846-55, owned "Ardmillan" the south half of crown allotment B section 6 and had moved from his dairy south of Derby St at Kensington into his new mansion which was located on present 33-37 (if I remember correctly) Ardmillan Rd, on the uphill side of Smith's Lane in about 1857.
Doctor Tweedale, having been a naval surgeon, would have needed and gained knowledge of European languages and was thus able to translate for the court.
The black man who'd been assaulted could well have been another Cape Verde Islander and speaking Portugese rather than Spanish; he was employed by Robert McDougall on section 8. Catherine Sinclair's maiden name was McIntyre as shown by the court report but I could not find her death record to confirm this.
SOMEONE WAS TELLING A LOT OF BULL.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5738984 MELBOURNE CRIMINAL SESSIONS.
Paste the part in bold type into your search bar to go directly to the letter about the various McCrae homesteads on page 25 of The Australasian of 23-10-1915. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/142981457
This letter was found by chance while I was searching for information about the original Cape Schanck homestead, and past experience has taught me that it is far easier to take a side track from any current research to record such discoveries than to rediscover the source later on.
It is in the last paragraph of the letter that the confusion is revealed. Both "Moreland" and "La Rose" were in the parish of Jika Jika. To access the parish map, paste the following into your search bar.
The last paragraph of the letter follows.
"Some time in the forties - or, indeed, it
may have been in the latter thirties (for
Dr. McCrae first arrived in Melbourne in
1838) - he built a house called 'La Rose' on
a property of his which he named 'More-
land' (and known as such to this day), after
one of the estates of his grandfather in
MORELANDconsisted of crown portions 133 and 126, containing 323 and 316 acres between the Moonee Ponds Creek and Sydney Road, extending, respectively, 2000 links (400 metres) north and south of today's Moreland Road. Michael Loeman, later a pioneer of Bulla, managed and then leased "Moreland" for about 14 years before purchasing "Glenloeman" on Loemans Rd which straddled the boundary of the parishes of Bulla and Tullamarine between Deep Creek and Jacksons Creek. (VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS: PAST AND PRESENT, 1888.)The Moreland Road bridge over the Moonee Ponds Creek linking the parishes of Doutta Galla and Jika Jika was named the Loeman Bridge to honour Michael's early association with the estate.
LA ROSEwas portion 141 of 270 acres and being elevated presented a far superior site for a homestead with views in mind. Farquhar McCrae purchased the grant and had built what is believed to be the core of what is now called WENTWORTH HOUSE before he dudded John Fitzgerald Leslie (Alphabetical) Foster regarding the transfer of the Eumemmering Run near Dandenong (in which town streets are named after both), was horse whipped by Foster and fled for his life to Sydney where he obtained a prominent position at its hospital. The extant bluestone mansion was completed by Coiler Robertson.
22 LE CATEAU STREET PASCOE VALE SOUTH, Moreland City
Statement of Significance
Last updated on - July 2, 2004
What is significant?
Wentworth House at Pascoe Vale, known as La Rose during the nineteenth century, was built from c1842 for Dr Farquhar McCrae. He was the brother-in-law of Georgiana McCrae, who made several references to Farquhar and La Rose in her diaries. Farquhar had migrated from Scotland in 1839 with his mother, wife, sisters and children, and moved to La Rose in 1842. He was from the Scottish gentry, and was immediately successful in the colony, becoming a magistrate and the director of several companies and a bank, and was prominent in early colonial society. He got into financial difficulties during the depression of the early 1840s, and in about 1845 moved to Sydney, where he practised medicine. During this time the property was leased and farmed by Coiler Robertson, who purchased it in 1852, after McCrae's death. It passed in the mid 1850s to James Robertson (probably Coiler's son*), a partner with Robert and Peter McCracken in one of Melbourne's most successful brewery companies. The property of more than a hundred hectares remained intact until 1899, after which it was progressively subdivided, after 1920 by the War Service Homes Commissioner. The house is now on about an acre. It was renamed Wentworth House between 1908 and 1911. etc.
(*James, described as a brewer aged 17 upon arrival, who was probably instrumental in the early success of the McCracken brewery, was indeed Coiler's son and the brother of Peter McCracken's wife. He is not to be confused with James Robertson Snr and Jnr of Upper Keilor and Aberfeldie (also related to Peter McCracken as J.R. Jnr's daughter married Peter's son, Coiler) or James Robertson of "Gowrie Park", now the suburb north of Hadfield.)
N.B. The source of the horse whipping of Farquhar McCrae by Alphabetical Foster cannot be found on trove and may have been in Sam Merrifield's Annals of Essendon or a history of early Victoria such as Bearbrass. However, while looking for it I discovered an article which gave detail about Andrew and Farquhar McCrae's brother, Alexander (obviously Thomasann Blackburn's ancestor, Captain McCrae*) who also settled in Melbourne, although I have seen no previous mention of him.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/141768540 (P.4, The Australasian, 25-1-1936.)
REVIEW OF ROSALIND PEATEY'S "SETTING THE SPIRIT FREE; THE PIONEERS OF THE SOUTHERN MORNINGTON PENINSULA" (VIC., AUST.)
Rosalind Peatey's PINE TREES AND BOX THORNS was a wonderful history of George and Susan Peatey and their descendants. I discovered it soon after I had started my research on the Mornington Peninsula in 2010. I was really excited when I discovered that Rosalind had written another history in 2004.
The CONTENTS are as below.
Introduction page 9, Port Phillip 11, John Batman 14, Joseph Gellibrand 17, John Fawkner 18, The Henry Brothers 20, Armytage and Franks 21,George Smith 22, Sir Richard Bourke 25, Magistrate William Lonsdale 30, Cape Schanck 37, Edward William Hobson: Kangerong and Tootgarook Runs 40, Maurice Meyricks (sic): Boniyong Run 46, Captain Henry Everest Adams 48, Andrew McCrae: Arthur's Seat Run 50, James Purves 56, Edward Latrobe Batman 58.
Apart from the subjects in bold type, this is more a history of the Port Phillip District than the Mornington Peninsula and new information was limited. In this journal, I will detail information that has not been seen in readily available sources and point out errors that could lead readers astray.
Page 14. "John Batman, who was born at Parramatta in 1801, the son of a freed convict, who had been transported for receiving stolen saltpetre, and a mother who had paid her own way out from England, with two children, to be with her husband. In 1816, Batman was apprenticed to a blacksmith in Sydney. This came to an end when he had to give evidence against his employer. In December 1821, John with his brother Henry, moved to Van Dieman's Land."
These facts are in his biography, http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/batman-john-1752 but are not often mentioned in articles about John Batman.
Pages 25-7 and 30-33. Rosalind gives an interesting perspective of the difficulties faced by Sir Richard Bourke and William Lonsdale to impose order in the Port Phillip District. While they had authority, anything that might cost money, such as a court and police to enforce proclamations, had to be approved by the Colonial Secretary in England. Lengthy delays in getting such approval were inevitable. Such delays were the main reasons that the Hentys, Port Phillip Association (i.e Batman's group)and Fawkner had decided to settle at Port Phillip without permission- as mentioned earlier in the book.
The New South Wales Government Gazette of 19-4-1837, pages 309 and 303, makes very interesting reading, being scans of the pages rather than a digitised version. Items mentioned include Captain Hobson's plotting of the position of the Crocodile Rock in Bass Strait, the naming of Hobson's Bay, William's Town and Melbourne, and notice of a sale of Melbourne town allotments on 1-6-1837.
Page 32. Dr Thompson and Dr Cotter- see under pages 35-6.
Pages 34 and following folding sheet. The census of 9-11-1836. Luckily this too is a scan rather than the digitised version which cannot reproduce columns. It lists the 43 "occupiers in town or proprietors in country" with the number of persons under and over 12 on each establishment, all free with no convicts. The only heads of establishments connected with the Mornington Peninsula's history on the list were George Smith (from 1843 to 1850) and William Buckley (in 1803.) Buckley had escaped from Collins' settlement and made his way around the bay to the Bellarine Peninsula. This trek has recently been commemorated with a William Buckley Walk inaugurated by former councillor Graham Pittock and the construction of a WILLIAM BUCKLEY REST near the boat ramp at Safety Beach. John Pascoe Fawkner is conspicuously absent from the list. He'd most likely planted his crop on the Crown Casino site and built his inn in Market St.(P.18) which Smith was probably occupying, but he had probably returned to Launceston to wind up his affairs there and obtain necessities such as a printing press for his handwritten newspaper.
The folding sheet has a plan of the part of Melbourne bounded by King, Bourke, Swanston and Flinders Sts., showing sections, crown allotments and purchasers. It shows Fawkner's c/a 14, section 3 in Market St, purchased for 10 pounds, where he built his inn, probably occupied by George Smith on 9-11-1836. Fawkner eventually had Smith evicted from this inn so Smith then built the Lamb Inn. The Lamb Inn might have been built on Crown allotment 2 of section 2, 40 metres east of William St between Collins St and Collins Lane, for which Smith paid 46 pounds. The waterfall at the foot of William St played a significant part in the history of Melbourne. It ensured a supply of fresh water upstream and a wide turning basin for ships where wharves were built, the very reason that the Customs House was at the east corner of William and Flinders Streets and the general market was north of it, between Flinders Lane and Collins St and fronting Market St of course. The rocks were eventually blasted and used to line the Coode's Canal in 1886*.
I've often wondered where St James Old Cathedral (where Henry Everest Adams was belatedly married in 1855 when his son Robert was about 9 years old) was originally located. Perhaps it was in section 15 fronting the west side of William St between Collins and Bourke Streets, reserved for CHURCH OF ENGLAND. Interestingly CHURCH STREET, named on the plan as the west boundary of the block north of Little Collins St, has retained its name and can be seen at Melway map 2F,B5.
This map alone makes Rosalind's book valuable as a source.
Pages 35-6. William Lonsdale's return of dwellings, stock and cultivation in 1836-7 (from the 9-11-1836 census) shows that John Batman's statement to Fawkner (recounted by Fawkner in his memories) that Batman had obtained in his treaty any land worth having is confirmed by most squatters having settled in the Geelong and Dutigalla
area (this having been the original name of Batman's Port Phillip Association.) The area on the west side of Port Phillip Bay must have been prized because access was difficult, involving a trip toward Mount Macedon as far as today's Buckley St West, Essendon, known then and for several decades as Braybrook Road and then west to Melway 27 C9 (not 27B8 as wrongly assumed by several municipalities for whose findings the Victorian Heritage Council takes no responsibility.)
"Dr. Alexander Thompson was appointed assistant colonial surgeon by William Lonsdale but (Lonsdale) was to recommend Dr Barry Cotter over Dr Thompson as medical practitioner in charge of the colony." (Page 32.)
Londale's decision* was probably based on the fact that Alexander had already moved to his run by 9-11-1836 and would not be in Melbourne to perform this role. Alexander had arrived in February 1836 but by November his residence was given as Barwon. His trip to "Kardinia" in January, 1837 as described in his biography must have followed some months spent preparing accommodation for the 11 people on his run.
*The following states that Alexander Thompson had resigned.
Pioneer Public Health Practitioners in the Port Phillip District
Presented by Dr Walter Heale.
Dr Alexander Thomson was employed by the Port Phillip Association to provide health care to new settlers. Arriving in March 1836, he was briefly employed by Government, resigning to pursue pastoral interests. His temporary replacement was Dr. Barry Cotter responsible for the care of military personnel and prisoners, and re-employed in 1840 during the quarantine of the fever ship the Glen Huntly.
Pages 44-5. Edward William Hobson's application of 22-6-1850 for the Tootgarook Run to be transferred to Mr James Purves of Melbourne. The second sheet is a declaration that Edward had held the licence for the previous 12 months, apparently a lands department memorial, volume 51, folio 834.
Pages 48-9. Captain Henry Everest Adams.
"We shall probably never know what drew Captain Adams to the Arthurs Seat area in 1842. Even his descendants have little to fall back on in actual facts.... Among the very first settlers on the Port Phillip side of the Peninsula, they chose the western side of Arthurs Seat where they took up a large area from the corner of Wattle Rd (Wattle Place since Lonsdale St. was built) and Nepean Rd, back to Old Cape Schanck Rd."
Luckily some descendants have worked hard to dispel myths in the family folklore, such as the captain being the illegitimate son of Lord Vivian and receiving a 750 acre grant from the Government in New South Wales. When Dromana was proposed on the other side of Arthurs Seat, it seems that the Village of Wannaeue was proposed on the west side. The captain may have obtained a LEASE of the village reserve until such time that there was sufficient demand to ensure good prices for blocks. When the village was alienated in the mid 1870's, the Captain and his son Robert received the grants for all that part of Section 20 Wannaeue between South Road and Old Cape Schanck Rd. Isaac White, the grantee of section 19, between Parkmore Rd and Adams Avenue was a friend of Henry and his wife and may have acted as a dummy to ensure that Henry could acquire that land too. There is no real proof of when the family arrived. Henry was also the grantee of 36 acres on the west side of Tower Rd on Arthurs Seat and 56 acres between Diamond Bay Rd and Mission St. near Sorrento. There is an interesting fact about Henry's marriage in my comment about the folding sheet after page 34 which explains why Robert Henry Adams and Mary Jane, nee Hopcraft, would want their descendants to have such a hazy understanding of the family history.
A family history may well be underway but anybody wanting genealogical information urgently may private message me.
Page 50-54. Andrew McCrae: Arthur's Seat Run. Very rarely do I read information about the peninsula that I have not already seen. Rosalind has done some great research here. Until I read this book, I was unaware that Farquhar McCrae (about whom I became aware in 1988) and Andrew McCrae had a brother, Captain Alexander McCrae who gave one of his daughters the strange given name of Thomasann. Rosalind can be forgiven for stating that Farquhar's "La Rose" was in Moonee Ponds; Moonee Ponds meant in the early days anywhere near the Moonee Moonee Chain of Ponds, not today's suburb, an assumption made by professional historian, Andrew Lemon, who assumed that Glenroy Farm was in Moonee Ponds. Andrew's son, George Gordon, himself made an even worse mistake, assuming that La Rose was on Uncle Farquhar's other property, "Moreland". See:http://www.familytreecircles.com/george-gordon-mccrae-s-boo-boo-about-his-uncle-farquhar-s-la-rose-homestead-victoria-australia-67571.html
Rosalind puts Andrew's decision to take up his run in context with her knowledge of the depression of 1842-3. I was thrown into confusion when I read: "Captain Cole had married Thomas Ann McCrae." I thought Rosalind was referring to Captain Alexander McCrae's daughter, Thomasann, who wrote a letter in 1933 signed as Thomasann Blackburn. This letter, http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/203820343 shows that George Ward Cole's second wife was one of two sisters of Andrew, Farquhar and Alexander, who had come to the Port Phillip District with them.
GEORGE WARD COLE'S WIFE.
EventMarriage Event registration number645 Registration year1842
Family nameMCCRAE Given namesThomas Anne SexFemale Spouse's family nameCOLE Spouse's given namesGeorge Ward
Cole arrived in Melbourne on 4 July 1840 in the schooner Waterlily, of which he was part-owner. He set up as a general merchant, and in 1841 bought land on the Yarra River near Spencer Street, where he built Cole's Wharf. In 1842 he married for the second time. His first wife had been a widow, Eliza Cantey, the daughter of Colonel Charles Brietyche. His second wife was Thomas Anne, daughter of William Gordon McCrae, formerly of Westbrook, Midlothian, Scotland. He had one son by the first and three sons and three daughters by the second marriage.
CAPTAIN ALEXANDER McCRAE'S DAUGHTER.
Thomas Ann(sic) Cole MCCRAE
Female 1852 - 1945
Birth 1852 Collingwood, Victoria, Australia
Christened 1852 St Peter's Church, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Died 1945 East Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Person ID I656 Victoria Pioneers
Last Modified 10 Sep 2008
Father Capt Alexander MCCRAE, b. 1789, d. 1861, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Mother Susannah DANWAY, b. Abt 1812, England d. 1870, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Family ID F73 Group Sheet
Family Maurice BLACKBURN, b. 3 Oct 1848, Campbell Town, Tasmania, Australia d. 1887, Avoca, Victoria, Australia
Married 1880 Victoria, Australia
Page 55. See digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_publish/simpleimages/30/2611207.html
The Arthurs Seat pre-emptive right became crown allotment 1 of section B (331 acres fronting the bay) and crown allotment 2 of section B (309 acres adjoining Seawinds, south for 395 metres from a line (1160 metres long heading east from the intersection of today's The Avenue and the freeway)to another line 1940 metres long heading east from about Banks St.
Document showing that Joseph Brooks Burrell who had bought 331 acres in 1850 was applying on 16-4-1859 to purchase a further 309 acres to take his P.R. up to the allowed 640 acres, a square mile.
P. 10. Discussing the Rosebud area, Rosalind stated, "The struggle to survive in a not so paradisical land was possible, and survive they did, as many of their descendants are part of the community today. Of these, the most prominent are the descendants of the Cairns, Patterson and Crichton families from Boneo, the Adams, Bucher, Freeman, Lacco and the Peaty families from Rosebud, all here between 1850 to 1890." The error lies in the Freemans being given as much prominence as much earlier pioneers.
All apart from the Freeman family were very early settlers, some a decade or more before the Rosebud Fishing Village was alienated in 1872; in 1899, John Freeman had purchased 16 acres in the part of section 14 Wannaeue (between First Avenue and Boneo Rd)south of 50 First Avenue and the Hope St house blocks, that became part of Ramsay and Nora Couper's THE THICKET by about 1908. After Hugh Glass's death, his creditors had divided section 14 into parcels of 29 and 29 acres that became Hindhope, the northern half of the grant, and parcels of 20, 20 and 16 acres that became The Thicket.
In 1893,the Landhold Investment Co.was rated on 56 acres, Wannaeue, almost certainly Hindhope. Mrs Alfred Hicks (Harriet) owned one of the 20 acre farms and Ramsay Couper the other. In 1894 Jeremiah Brosman of South Yarra was assessed on 16 acres Wannaeue. This remained the case until 1899 when John Freeman bought the 16 acre property. In 1900 Ramsay Couper was assessed on Mrs Hicks' 20 acres which for years had stupidly been described as being in Rye (where Harriet actually owned another 4 acres.) In 1908 the 16 acre property had the rate collector guessing and assessment No 831 had Couper Freeman as the person to be rated on 16 acres; in 1909 Nora Couper was assessed,Ramsay having the other 40 acres of The Thicket."
Page 12. The term "De pasture licences" is used on the first of many occasions. The correct term was "depasturing licences".
Page 15. The impression given is that the Port Phillip Association was formed after Batman's treaty was accomplished and "private settlers were steadily arriving at Port Phillip." The land acquired by Batman was stated as being "the Bellarine Peninsula and the coastal strip from Geelong to the Yarra", quite ignoring that the treaty took place on, and included, land well north of the Yarra(such as the parishes of DOUTTA GALLA and JIKA JIKA.) The Henty Brothers were said to be members of the association which seemed strange because they had settled near Portland* before John Batman came to the Port Phillip District. (*Edward went first on the Thistle with labourers, stock, potatoes and seed. After a voyage of 34 days the Thistle arrived at Portland Bay on 19 November 1834 at 8 a.m. EDWARD HENTY, WIKIPEDIA.)
The Port Phillip Association (originally the "Geelong and Dutigalla Association")  was formally formed in June 1835 to settle land in what would become Melbourne, which the association believed had been acquired by John Batman for the association from Wurundjeri elders after he had obtained their marks to a document, which came to be known as Batman's Treaty.
The leading members of the association were John Batman, a farmer, Joseph Gellibrand, a lawyer and former Attorney-General, Charles Swanston, banker and member of the Legislative Council, John Helder Wedge, surveyor and farmer, Henry Arthur, nephew of Lieutenant Governor George Arthur of Van Diemen’s Land, and various others including William Sams, Under Sheriff and Public Notary for Launceston, Anthony Cottrell, Superintendent of Roads and Bridges, John Collicott, Postmaster General, James Simpson, Commissioner of the Land Board and police magistrate, John Sinclair, Superintendent of Convicts, Michael Connolly, Thomas Bannister, and John and William Robertson.
Page 17. Joseph Tice Gellibrand only had one connection with the Mornington Peninsula but the page about him dealt with Hesse and Gelliband's disappearance west of Geelong, not his trek through the peninsula.
Joseph Gellibrand - Wikipedia
Joseph Tice Gellibrand (1792–1837) was the first Attorney-General of Van Diemen's Land ... In January 1836 he crossed Bass Strait and, landing at Western Port, walked with companions to Melbourne.
J.P.Manifold and J.B.Were were mentioned as others who arrived from Tasmania. The latter was a major grantee in the parish of Fingal near Cape Schanck so another peninsula connection was missed.
Page 19. "(John Pascoe Fawkner) was one of the Port Phillip Association." Oh no he wasn't. Before law was established, the Association had forced Fawkner to move to the south side of the Yarra* where he planted the colony's first wheat crop.
Melbourne Cricket Club was founded in November 1838 when the population of the Port Phillip District was only about 2000.
The first cricket match was played between the MCC and a military team on the Old Mint site in William Street, Melbourne.
However, this area proved unsuitable and in January 1839 the club established its second ground at the foot of Batman's Hill, now Spencer Street Railway Station.
This was Melbourne's cricket ground until October 1846 when impending acquisition for railway use forced a transfer to the southern bank of the Yarra near the present Crown Casino site.
John Pascoe Fawkner had planted the colony's first wheat crop on this field, but it was susceptible to flooding and the club had to advertise more than once for the return of its dressing shed when the Yarra broke its banks!
Page 22. "(George) Smith's first move was to apply to the Governor Sir Richard Bourke for a de pasture licence, 'beyond the bounds of settlement.' Land at Woul Woul a Ballack, along the southern shore of Port Phillip Bay (seemingly from the early settlement of Lieutenant Colonel Collins at Sorrento.)" The assumption that George Smith's run was near Sullivan's Bay comes from the part of the following passage given in bold type.
FROM PAGES 208-9 OF "I SUCCEEDED ONCE"
Contrary to what is widely asserted, he (George Smith) did not hold a licence for Wul-Wul-aBulluk
on the Mornington Peninsula: a thorough search of the original Pastoral
Run Papers produced no papers for Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk in the box which holds
all the original ‘W’ Pastoral Run Papers.50 Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk is not a pastoral
run; it is the name of the house at Capel Sound where he lived in the 1840s.51
He did hold the licence for Tootgarook through the late 1840s,52 and he is on
Commissioner of Crown Lands Edward Grimes’ list for 1848 of people who have
not paid their licence fee.53 George Gordon McCrae described him as a ‘settler’
whose ‘little station’ was seven miles* from Arthurs Seat, the first establishment
past the Old Settlement site when travelling towards Arthurs Seat from Point
Nepean. It was ‘called by the natives Wul-wul-buluk’, and it was a little to
the south of what used to be called the Big Swamp**.54 George D Smythe’s 1841
‘Survey of the coast from the west side of Port Phillip to Western Port’55 locates
the first establishment past the old settlement site when travelling towards
Melbourne as Dr Hobson’s sheep station. It is perhaps a quarter of a mile from
the eastern sister on the track to Arthurs Seat and Melbourne, with Cameron’s
station*** a little further on, about midway around Cameron’s Bight.56 Smythe’s
map also locates Tootgarook but he records it as a place or an area with a native
name, not as a run; in fact he makes three of his characteristic dots for locations
of settlers, only one of whom he names, Freeman**** (Thomas records Freeman as
The simple, though for the time, extraordinary explanation is that George Smith
lived with Malvina Hobson nee Lutterell, mother of Edward and Edmund at
Capel Sound. George Gordon McCrae devotes pages to describing their lovely
house and garden and view, and Mrs Smith’s culinary achievements and her
kindness to the McCrae boys. But there is no record of a divorce from Edward
Hobson senior and she died as Malvina Hobson, as indicated earlier.
*SEVEN MILES FROM ARTHURS SEAT.
George Gordon McCrae was a boy, and even adult country people were said to be notoriously bad at estimating distance. Furthermore Georgiana's journal stated that these seven miles were from the Arthurs Seat Homestead ON THE ROAD TO CAPE SCHANCK! This was in relation to four year old Sarah Ann Cain being nursed back to health by Mrs Smith at Wooloowoolooboolook (George's spelling)after being lost in the bush for four days. Seven miles measured from Anthonys Nose extends to Dundas St Rye, and as the McCrae homestead is 60 chains (three quarters of a mile) east of The Rocks, George's seven miles would take us to the left edge of Melway 168 C3 just past Cain Road. As Owen Cain was on Tyrone by this stage, it was unlikely to be part of Smith's run but as C.N.Hollinshed stated in LIME LAND LEISURE that the Tootgarook run extended west to White Cliff, the first measurement (from the rocks) might be fairly accurate, the western boundary of the run being near Dundas St.
However, the following, which has little to do with the peninsula, should serve as a warning that George Gordon McCrae should not be accepted as the ultimate authority on the locations of properties.
**THE BIG SWAMP. Known as the Boneo or Tootgarook Swamp, this was between Boneo and Truemans Rds. Not having a map to consult, young George McCrae presumed that Smith's house was south of the swamp when the Tootgarook pre-emptive right starts roughly 3000 links (600 metres) WEST of Truemans Rd. Complicating matters, Rosalind was unaware that Edward William Hobson had left Tootgarook for Gippsland in about 1843 and been replaced by George Smith while Edward Hobson was managing the RIVER OF LITTLE FISH (Traralgon)* for his brother, Dr Edmund Hobson. She therefore plotted Smith's supposed Run much closer to Sorrento than it really was.
***CAMERON'S STATION could not exist if George Smith's supposed WOUL WOUL A BALLACK run was where it is plotted on page 24.
**** FREEMAN. It is possible that this Freeman was an ancestor of the Freemans named as pioneers of Rosebud, in which case, I'd need to retract my comment about them not being early pioneers, but proof would be required.
Page 23. About this time (circa 1838) Smith's wife, Mary, died."
There is only one death record for a Mary Smith between 1836 and 1843* and as George Smith had a son, apparently approaching manhood,this one would seem to be too young to be George's wife. As the so-called Mrs Smith (Malvina Hobson, nee Lutterell) who nursed Sarah Ann Cain back to health at Wooloowoolooboolook circa 1844 was born in 1799 she would have been about about 44 when she and George moved onto Tootgarook and it could be assumed that she would have been about the same age as George Smith, whose genealogy is a mystery. Malvina died in 1866.
EventDeath Event registration number159 Registration year1839
Family nameSMITH Given namesMary SexFemale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathMELBOURNE Age20 Spouse's family nameSMITH Spouse's given namesUnknown
P.24. A map shows George Smith's Woul Woul a Ballack Run. Its location could be between Canterbury Jetty Rd and Portsea or west from Boneo Rd depending on whether features on the north or south coast are used as indicators. As in the case of all run locations shown, this is too vague to be of any use. Transposition on a present day map is the only way to indicate run locations properly but, as Rosalind mentioned, descriptions of run boundaries are so vague that they are useless. For example the Cape Schanck run description below should state how many miles the run extended west from Main Creek and how far north from the "salt water" to the "unoccupied barren land."
FOLDED SHEET BETWEEN PAGES 36 AND 37.
Early runs (approximately.)"As there is little to go on, positions of runs can be only approximate.George Powlett was the District Commissioner for the Southern districts in 1841 and later when Andrew McCrae's run was visited. Marks used to certain gum trees leave present day residents in confusion."
Irrespective of the accuracy of the run locations, Jamieson's Special Survey was not a run. Runs were leased from the Crown; special surveys were purchased not leased.The Arthurs Seat run is not in agreement with the 1848 description as in http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/225706715 because George Smith had transferred the land west of the rocks between the Cape Schanck road and the Bay to Andrew McCrae's run, as stated by Marie Hansen Fels in I SUCCEEDED ONCE. This former Tootgarook run land is tacked on after the semi colon as an addendum.
" ; also that piece of land
between the Cape Schank road and the
sea, commencing near the rocks or the
point known as St. Anthony's Nose,
and ending at the creek* at the junction
of the Point Nepean and Cape Schank
roads nearly opposite the end of the
(*Adams Creek, roughly THE AVENUE, McCRAE. Wattle Road must have provided access to the back road to Cape Schanck.)
The south west corner of the Arthurs Seat Run was at Melway 170 E 7-8 where the Old Cape Schanck Rd crosses Drumdrumalloc Creek (as stated below) but the map seem to show the south west corner just west of Boneo Road.
"On the north by Mr. Jamieson's spe-
cial survey 4 miles, on the west by the
coast line of the bay to the nose of the
mountain called St. Anthony's nose,
from thence along the Cape Schank road
to the Drumdunnuallock creek, being
boundary line with Mr. Barker, and on
the south by the creek to its source,"
No source is given for the locations of runs but since Marie Hansen Fels has mentioned Smythe's survey of 1841, let's see if it shows the WOUL WOUL A BALLACK AND CAPE SCHANCK runs extending almost to Point Nepean.
N.B.Some idiot in the lands department has transposed James Purves' Tootgarook pre-emptive right, purchased on 22-10-1855, onto the original map!digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_publish/simpleimages/33/1690433.html
It must have been this second version of the map that Marie Hansen Fels discussed. It shows Dr Hobson and Cameron's establishments. digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_publish/simpleimages/35/1690435.html
The following map shows that the Tootgarook run extended to the Bass Strait coast near St Andrews Beach. This completely dismisses the assumption that the Cape Schanck run extended almost to Point Nepean,and explains why the survivors of the ELIZABETH were given refuge by George Smith and why George bought the wreck.
The 'Elizabeth' Brig. — The wreck of
this brig, cast away on Sunday week, on the
shore near to Cape Schank, has been sold by
Mr G. Ralston, by public auction, and rea
lised the sum of £30 10s. The purchaser is
Mr. George Smith, Settler, at Point Nepean,
the gentleman who gave refuge to the ma-
riners shipwrecked in the above vessel. (P.2, The Melbourne Daily News and Port Phillip Patriot, 8-11-1848.)
P.38 (Re Cape Schanck.) "New laws had reduced the area to 960 acres. Barker gave the property to his daughter Edith, who had married Robert Anderson, and it was in their time that Barragunda was built. It was designed by Edward Latrobe Bateman, who shortly afterwards designed Heronswood in Dromana."
Robert Anderson married Edith Howitt*. There is doubt expressed in many sources that Bateman was wholly responsible for the design of Barragunda with a suggestion that he was responsible for the interior design. The original homestead of the Cape Schanck run was at Cape Schanck and it was the subject of a painting by Edward Latrobe Bateman.(http://www.wikigallery.org/wiki/painting_124949/Edward-La-Trobe-Bateman/Homestead%2C-Cape-Schanck)
A history of Boneo, discovered by the late Ray Cairns when he was clearing out Maroolaba before his departure to Rosebud, claimed that Barker had wanted Cape Schanck as his pre-emptive right but the surveyor did not allow this because he wanted treasures from the Angel Cave to decorate his garden. Howitt and J.B.Were were granted the portion of the run in the parish of Fingal and Barker's new homestead (which eventually became Clondrisse) was built east of Main Creek in the parish of Flinders.
*EventDeath Event registration number14385 Registration year1884
Family nameANDERSON Given namesEdith Mary SexUnknown Father's nameHowitt Godfrey Mother's namePhebe (Bakewell) Place of birth Place of deathTOOTGAROOK Age50 Spouse's family nameANDERSON Spouse's given namesRobert
EventMarriage Event registration number2825 Registration year1866
Family nameHOWITT Given namesEdith Mary SexUnknown Spouse's family nameANDERSON Spouse's given namesRobert
Also on page 38 is a map showing the Cape Schanck Run running north west along the Bass Strait coast from Cape Schanck. On Page 37, Rosalind states,"Cape Schanck Run was an area of approximately 9600 acres.." so it was the same size as described in 1848.
Name of run—Cape Schanck Estimated area—9,600 acres
Estimated grazing capabilities—600 head of cattle
Bounded on the W by the Wooloomerang Creek, on the N & NE by unoccupied barren land, and on every other part
by salt water. (P.1, Argus, 26-9-1848.)
The western boundary of the run was the boundary between the parishes of Flinders and Fingal, shown on the Fingal map as Main Creek south to Melway 260 B2 and Wallermeryong Creek from there to 259 J12.
The Flinders part of the Barkers' run must have been originally called the Burrabong run but when the parish of Finders was alienated crown allotment A of B (roughly Melway 260 A-D 10-11), consisting of 640 acres and granted to John Barker on 15-10-1855, was described as CAPE SCHANCK P.R. Therefore the Barkers' Cape Schanck run eventually extended east to adjoin Henry Tuck's Manton's Creek Run.
Page 40, EDWARD WILLIAM HOBSON.
"The records only state that Edward Hobson bought Tootgarook Run from Smith in 1838." Which records?
"Tootgarook and White Cliffs were runs that seemed to overlap." I have seen no reference to a run called White Cliff. It is possible that Owen Cain's lime licence was for a portion of Tootgarook but he called his property TYRONE, not White Cliff.
"It was in 1844 that Hobson overlanded sheep from New South Wales for himself and the Meyricks. His own were driven to Tootgarook."
I have read plenty about E.W.Hobson and have seen no reference to him overlanding sheep from north of the Murray.He was no longer at Tootgarook from 1843.
His younger brother, Edward William Hobson (1816-1890?), grazier, was also born at Parramatta. As a youth he served as a sailor on ships plying between Tasmania, New Zealand, Western Australia and Port Phillip. Early in 1837 he established a small run on the Darebin Creek, near Melbourne. By June 1837 he had moved to the south-eastern shores of Port Phillip Bay and held a run, Kangerong, on the slopes of Arthur's Seat. This was followed by the establishment of Tootgarook, a run between Rye and Point Nepean.* In 1843 he also took over a run at Tarwin Meadows, on Anderson's Inlet and held it until January 1845. (*Actually between Anthonys Nose and about White Cliff until George Smith transferred the bay frontage (east of Adams Corner to the Rocks) to Andrew McCrae.)
In June 1841 he visited parts of Gippsland, in the area of the Latrobe River. In April 1844 he left Port Phillip with a large mob of cattle, paused at Tarwin Meadows, and then moved on into the Traralgon district. Four months later he took up, on behalf of his brother Edmund, a run of 19,000 acres (7689 ha) in this area. On Edmund's death in 1848, the control of this run passed to his executors, J. H. N. Cassell and J. R. Murphy, although Edward remained in occupation. In 1853 the run was divided into Traralgon East and Traralgon West, Edward Hobson occupying the latter for a few months. Although reasonably successful up to this time Hobson, who had been made a justice of the peace in 1847, now lost substantially in investments in shipping*.
(*The oft-repeated claim that he owned the Rosebud when it was beached in 1855 and it was uninsured is wrong. He did own it in 1854 but had obviously sold it to James Purves who had insured it for 700 pounds with a group of a dozen brokers, some of whom would not pay their share of the payout, thus providing terrific evidence of these facts.)
Page 42. "The name Woul Woul a Ballak had been dropped." George Smith, from 1843 to 1850, called the run TOOTGAROOK. As Marie Hansen Fels concluded, the W word was the name of his homestead, not his run.
"Hobson had already transferred his horses to Tootgarook by 1840. His very enterprising attitude and aptitude always alert, for he now discovered he also had lime deposits on his land at Tootgarook. (That sounds fair enough!) He erected three kilns and put in tramlines across the foreshore (there was no coast road then)at Boneo Rd, Truemans Rd and White Cliffs (where a restored Kiln is on the foreshore.) The last Kiln at Truemans Rd was there until as recently as 1997-8."
The tramlines may have existed and lime was certainly loaded at Boneo Road, by the Cairns family and possibly by James Patterson who was an early lime burner too. The tramlines folklore and the 1997-8 kiln were more likely to do with G.W.Hiscock and the 1920's tramline his Cicada fertiliser company built from the swamp along the east side of Truemans Rd to their manufacturing plant on the motel site. I'm not sure whether the kiln on the east side of White Cliff is a restored one or just a replica. He would have needed an awful lot of workers if he established three kilns and it is more likely that the lime loaded at White Cliff was Owen Cain's; if I remember correctly, today's Centre Drive was Owen's loading road.
Page 43. "In 1850, James Purves, an estate agent and auctioneer in Melbourne, whose brother Peter had managed Tootgarook for Hobson for the past few years was to purchase it and continue to raise bloodline horses."
Although there was a notice re payment required for depasturing licences from George Smith in 1850, Smith may have already left for California by then. Without any certainty about when he'd be back, Smith had probably asked Edward Hobson if he wanted to take over the lease, but still being on the run named with a corruption of the aboriginal phrase for RIVER OF LITTLE FISH (TRARALGON), he would have needed a manager for Tootgarook until he could dispose of the lease. Peter Purves would have been running Tootgarook for only about a year before Edward sold the leasehold to Peter's brother. Two years later, Peter was joined by James Purves, his long-alienated son, after whom Purves Rd on the south slope of Arthurs Seat was named.
Page 46. Maurice Meyricks (sic):Boniyong Run. THIS COULD NEARLY HAVE BEEN PLACED UNDER NEW INFORMATION APART FROM THE SPELLING OF MEYRICK AND THE IMPRESSION GIVEN THAT THE MEYRICKS AND EDWARD WILLIAM HOBSON WENT TO GIPPSLAND AT THE SAME TIME. IT CERTAINLY CONTAINS INFORMATION THAT WAS NEW TO ME AND HAS BEEN CONFIRMED.
The Meyrick information generally agrees with that found in biographies and heritage studies but the surname does not end with S. "In 1845, Hobson and Maurice Meyricks travelled to Gippsland to investigate grazing there" needs some clarification. Edward William Hobson had INVESTIGATED Gippsland in 1841 according to the portion of his biography pasted above and leased land at Tarwin River from 1843 before arriving at Traralgon (Doctor Edmund's run)in late 1844 while, following the arrival of Brodribb, Bennett, Gorringe and Turnbull, "Another settler who came here towards the end of 1845 was Maurice Meyrick. The Meyricks were friends of Hobson. There were three of them. Alfred and Maurice were brothers, and their cousin was Henry Meyrick. Henry Meyrick wrote some very interesting letters to his people at home in England while he was staying at Hobson's and they have all been kept for us to read, and are in the La Trobe Library in Melbourne.
Maurice Meyrick thought that there was enough room for him to squeeze in between Traralgon run and Hazelwood run, but he had to get out, and Hobson let him run his sheep on Traralgon run while he looked for another place for them.",according to THE RIVER OF LITLE FISH, CHAPTER 2 (http://www.traralgonhistory.asn.au/rolf/chapter2.htm)
Rosalind mentioned that because of the harsh conditions Alfred became ill and died and Henry's loneliness was eased by the arrival of Eagle, a young man from their home village, but Eagle died shortly afterwards as well. The above source confirms and adds to this information. "Early in 1846, Henry Meyrick set out from Port Phillip for Gipps' Land with his sheep. He came round through South Gipps' Land like all the others, and left his cousin Alfred in Melbourne to collect their cattle and to follow on. Henry had, as one of his assistants, a young fellow called George Eagle, about whom I will tell you more later*. Eagle also had 200 sheep in the flock. The Meyricks had decided to take up two runs on the Macalister River called Glenmaggie and Glenfalloch. Of course you have heard of those names even today.
Well, Henry Meyrick eventually reached Hobson's with his sheep in April, and in his letters he tells his brother in England how he has lived under a tarpaulin for the last twelve months. The way of making a camp in those days, was to throw your tarp over your dray, and you had a ready made home. He had three flocks of sheep, one each Alfred, Maurice, and himself - but he had only had one man to help him look after them. He had 1500 lambs born to his sheep in 1846, and 1350 of those lived !"
*"Henry Meyrick kept the sheep on Hobson's run during the winter, and decided to go on to his runs up the Macalister after the shearing in the spring. But, on 31st July, 1846, death came to Hobson's. George Eagle and Henry were working together when about four o'clock in the afternoon, Eagle felt ill and lay down. He died within an hour. Nowadays we think he may have been bitten by a snake, but it was in the wintertime and there should have been no snakes about. Henry thought he had burst a blood vessel. Henry and Hobson got some boards to make a coffin, but when they went down the next day to where he had died, they found the poor fellow's body in such a condition that all they could do was put him between some sheets of bark and to bury him where he lay. If you are allowed to pass through Mr. Gilmour's farm, and go down onto the creek flats, you can see his grave. For over one hundred years there was just a grassy mound, and nothing more to show that there lay George Bolton Eagle, the first pioneer to die here at Traralgon, far away from his home in England, with just his two friends here, Edward Hobson and Henry Meyrick, to bury him."
Rosalind mentions that Henry drowned later riding for a doctor to attend a neighbour's wife. This too is confirmed by THE RIVER OF LITTLE FISH.
"After leaving Glenmaggie, Henry and Alfred Meyrick went to live for a while with the Desaillys at their station on the Thomson River. It was here that in May, 1847, a further tragedy occurred. Mrs. Desailly became gravely ill, and Henry insisted on riding all the way to Alberton to get a doctor, there being none anywhere else in Gipps' Land at that time. The Thomson River was in flood, and in swimming his horse across, he drowned. A coffin was made for his body when it could be found, but poor Mrs. Desailly died a few days later, and his coffin was used for her. His body was found later and was buried on the banks of the Thomson River."
In looking for an account of the Port Phillip Association "persuading" Fawkner to relocate to the south side of the Yarra, I stumbled upon Fawkner's memories of the events leading up to his desire to relocate to Port Phillip, his attempt to reach an agreement with Batman, his supposed sea sickness which prevented him accompanying Captain Lancey, the Jacksons, George Evans etc. Fawkner lists all the members of the Port Phillip Association (not including the Hentys as I had earlier speculated.) Above all, his account betrayed his jealous obsession to belittle the role Batman had played in the founding of Melbourne. Did you know that Batman's Hill had originally been named Pleasant Hill?
"On Saturday the 28th of August, the ‘Enterprize’ was duly moored to the growing trees close to the shore opposite to a Hill on which my men pitched their first tent and called by them Pleasant Hill, this hill subsequently by Mr B's toadyism, finding Milk, Butter, eggs and Poultry &c to the ruling powers that arrived in 1836 got changed to Batmans Hill."
A very interesting read.
Re Edward William Hobson, the Desaillys and Robert Jamieson. The Christmas dinner at Hobson's place is mentioned on page 41 of Rosalind's book. She wrote about the hardship (the struggle to survive)faced by the early settlers on page 10. The following article describes the party and the ordeal faced by Hobson's friends just to attend it. https://issuu.com/morningtonnews/docs/mn_20_december_2016/30
Just like George Smith's so-called run WOUL WOUL A BALLACK, the Desailly run TONDOMOHUE seems to have been a rumour rather than a fact. After two whole days of research on trove, no mention was found of Tondomohue. (It has been found now. See below.) Marie Hansen Fels seems to provide an explanation* for the naming of Desailly's Waterhole (Melway 252, bottom of J5)in I SUCCEEDED ONCE.
*Edward William Hobson sent the Desailley brothers to Capel Sound to erect some dwellings there. Bear with me while I search for this reference. On page 176 the first reference to Capel Sound appears."He" is Dr. Edmund Hobson.
"He accompanied Lady Jane Franklin on her overland journey from Port Phillip to Sydney in 1839, and while on a stopover at Port Phillip, he visited Kangerong. In 1840 he returned permanently to Port Phillip with his wife Margaret, spending time at Kangerong while he was convalescing from pulmonary disease. While at Kangerong he travelled by gig to Wul-wul-a-bulluk, the station at Capel Sound, for which he held the licence with his brother, and the place where a substantial house was built by the time the McCrae family took up their run at Arthurs Seat."
This, at the bottom of page 176 would seem to disprove any claim that Hobson bought the lease of the run at Capel Sound* from George Smith in 1838.
"Edward Hobson was the first squatter on the Mornington Peninsula, and the extended families, together with their connections, were deeply engaged with the Bonurong."
(*As shown on the Melway key map, the western end of Capel Sound, accessed from the Rye and Sorrento Channels, is at the most, just east of Canterbury Jetty Road where George Gordon McCrae's seven miles from the Arthurs Seat homestead would have been.)
Aha! I would far rather prove than disprove unsubstantiated claims. Tondomohue is said to be shown on Smythe's 1841 survey for which I've provided a link, but the spelling used was Tondanue.
I found some labels in the first map (with Purves' P.R. superimposed)and can find labels approximating Boniyong and Drum Drum Alloc Creek (emptying into the swamp)but I can find nothing resembling TONDANUE.
The second map (untainted)only goes as far east as Freeman's station and Tootgarook as mentioned by Marie Hansen Fels and does not include the area where TONDANUE or Tondomohue was supposed to be.
Page 181."George Desailley
George Desailley was another youngster, just 17 years old when he crossed
over from VDL. His father was Dr Francis Desailley and his brother was Francis
Junior. They arrived in the ill-fated Britannia on 1 April 1839: the father went to
the Glenelg River, then to Gippsland. The two young brothers went to Edward
Hobson’s Kangerong station and seemingly formed an outstation for Hobson,
marked on Smythe’s 1841 map as Tondanue at the back of Rosebud, en route to
Boniong. The connection was a family one; Edward Hobson’s grandfather, Dr
Lutterell, was a friend of both Dr Francis and Dr TA Desailley. The Desailley
brothers ended up in the Riverina holding 2,000,000 acres – the largest
landholding in New South Wales.31 Desailley’s hut is shown near Tondanue at
the back of present Rosebud on a Thomas map.32"
CAN'T WIN 'EM ALL!
I failed to find the reference to Hobson sending the Desailley brothers to Capel Sound to erect dwellings in I Succeeded Once , heritage studies or my journals but I know that I have given the source in a reply to Clive Smith of the Nepean Historical Society in a Facebook group in regard to Hobson's kiln and associated huts on section 13 Wannaeue (Melway 170A 2,3 west to about Chinamans Creek.)