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CARMELO (Peter) PIDOTO, PIONEER OF DROMANA,VIC., AUST.

I was staggered when I could find no mention of Peter Pidota of Dromana on trove. He was obviously part of the area's folklore. Not only was he discussed in some detail in Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, but also in Isabel Moresby's ROSEBUD FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA; Isabel only knew OF Peter and called him Antonio Pidota, confusing his name with that of Rosebud fisherman, Antonio Bosina, but she knew the name of his vessel, "Little Angelina". C.N.Hollinshed has confused family historians with the genealogy in his LIME LAND LEISURE, but to give him credit, he did get the spelling of Peter's surname right-PIDOTO. As I was only scanning his book for information not presented in other local histories, I did not notice this at the time. As soon as I changed my search to Pidoto,the results came flooding in,revealing other Pidoto mariners at Williamstown.

There is plenty of information about Peter in my journals so this journal deals only with Peter's family.


PIDOTO -On the 20th inst, at his residence, Dromana house, Rowe street, North Fitzroy, Carmello (Peter), the beloved husband of F.E. Pidoto, late of Dromana. R.I.P.(P.1, Argus, 28-9-1891.)


The friends of the late Captain P. PIDOTO, late of Dromana, are respectfully invited to follow his remains to the place of interment, Melbourne Cemetery.
The funeral will leave his late residence Dromana house, Rowe street, North Fitzroy, THIS DAY (Monday, 28th inst.) at half past 3 o'clock. JOHN DALEY, Undertakcr, Latrobe and Spring streets, Melbourne Telephone 827. (P.1,Argus, 28-9-1891.)

Name--------Birth Place/Date--------Father---------Mother
Rose Pidoto-Dromana, Australia,1866-Carmelo Pidoto-Taylor Frances Pidoto

WALLACE âPIDOTO. âOn the 26th December,1900, at St. John's R.C. Church, Clifton Hill,by the Rev. R. Collins, assisted by the Rev.M. Dolan, William Wallace, department of Mines, Melbourne, son of the late William Wallace, of Sale, Gippsland, to Carmela, daughter of the late Captain Carmelo Pidoto, of North Fitzroy and Dromana.
(P.9,Argus,2-2-1901.)

PIDOTO.âOn the 5th October, at her residence, 16 Brennand-street,North Fitzroy, Frances Elizabeth, relict of
the late Captain Carmelo Pidoto, dearly loved mother of Rose (Mrs Grogan, Elmore), Mary (Mrs. Hayes,Prahran), Josephine (deceased), Annie (Mrs.Williams, Western Australia), Carmela (Mrs. Wallace, Preston) Lottie (North
Fitzroy ),Nena (Mrs Burren, North Fitzroy, Jack (South Australia)*, and Will (Drouin),aged 85 years, late of
Dromana. R I.P. Our darling mother. âInterred privately, 7th October, by Alfred Allison, Clifton Hill.
(P.21, Advocate,15-10-1931.)

* JACK IN S.A.-Cable Extensions in Pirie.
Five men under Mr. J. Pidoto (line foreman at Wallaroo) are engaged in extensions of telephone cables along The Terrace and Goode road, Pirie West. It is expected that they will be some weeks on the job.As a result of the extensions, portion of the overhead gear will be eliminated, and some of the poles in the two thoroughfares affected will be removed. Mr.Pidoto was in charge of similar work in Ellen street some time ago.
(Recorder (Port Pirie, SA : 1919 - 1954) Saturday 16 May 1936 p 1 Article.)

Frances Elizabeth Taylor (1846-1931) - Familypedia
familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Frances_Elizabeth_Taylor_(1846-1931)

Frances Elizabeth Taylor was born 1846 in Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom to William Taylor (c1806-1885) and Mary Harrison (c1808-1885) and died 1931 in Clifton Hill, Victoria, Australia of unspecified causes. She married Carmelo Pidoto (1836-1891) 1869 in Victoria, Australia. Ancestors are from the United Kingdom.

Frances Elizabeth Taylor
Birth: 1846 Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom â¦
Death: 1931 Clifton Hill, Victoria, Australia
Father: William Taylor (c1806-1885)
Mother: Mary Harrison (c1808-1885)
Spouse/partner:
Carmelo Pidoto (1836-1891)
Wedding: 1869 Victoria, Australia âª

Offspring of Frances Elizabeth Taylor and Carmelo Pidoto (1836-1891)
Rose Pidoto (1866-1967)
Mary Jane Pidoto (1868-1951)
Guiseppa Pidoto (1870-)
Angelina Pidoto (1873-1947)
Carmela Elizabeth Pidoto (1875-1942)
Maude Charlotte Pidoto (1878-1960)
Guivania Pidoto (1880-1964)
Giovanni Pidoto (1882-1972)
William Henry Pidoto (1884-1973)

The parents of Frances Elizabeth seem to have lived near Dromana and it is possible that there was a relationship with Alf Harrison after whom Harrisons Rd was named.

POSTSCRIPT.It is ironic that the 1869 Post Office Directory was found during an idle moment when I googled Peter Pidoto. Not having seen the genealogical information below,this entry did tickle my fancy; I wondered if he was related to the Father Of Keilor,not knowing he was Peter Pidoto's father in law!

Taylor Wm., farmer, Kangerong

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This tree is by again another cousin who also descends from Anthony Taylor: http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/46863269/person/6825186735 . It also has a death for Anthony's father William, and there is a death registration to match this death, father's name given was John Taylor. No mother's name given. Birth about 1806 in Nottinghamshire (this place of birth is incorrect as he said born Derbyshire in 1841, and his wife Mary born outside Derbyshire.) The death registration gives date of death as 1 Sep 1885 at Kangerong, Mornington and buried at Dromana Cemetery on 3 Sep 1885. His occupation farmer (miller in 1841 census) and his father's occupation rate collector. Died of old age (but it could have been grief - see below). Wife Mary Harrison. Informant his son William. Married Nottinghamshire (this may be correct). 34 years in Victoria (arrived about 1851). Children Jane deceased, John 54, Henry 51, Anthony deceased, Thomas 46, Sarah Anne 41, Frances Elizabeth 39, William 36, Emma deceased.

Fortuitously the death of William's wife Mary is the one immediately above his on the death registration. This is why he may have died of grief. She died of hemiplegia (paralysis of one side of the body) caused by a stroke 3 weeks earlier. She died at Kangerong on 16 Aug 1885. Her parents names are unknown. Her son William was the informant. Buried at Dromana Cemetery. Born Nottinghamshire (this may be correct) about 1808.

Your ancestors John Taylor (who married Mary Ann Norton) and Thomas Taylor (who married Phoebe Isabella Camden) had a sister Frances Elizabeth Taylor born about 1846 according to the age given on their parentâs death registrations. She died in 1931 as Frances Elizabeth Pidoto, the daughter of William Taylor and Mary Harrison.

This is a family tree from a cousin by marriage. This person descends from a brother of the husband of Frances Elizabeth Taylor, the sister of John Taylor and Thomas Taylor. It has good details about Frances Elizabethâs children.
http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/26384438/person/1324277053...

This family tree is from a cousin, a descendant of Frances Elizabeth Taylor through her daughter Carmelo Elizabeth Pidoto. It has the wrong parents and place of birth for Frances Elizabeth Taylor, and many marriages that are not hers as well, and a child by the name of Annie Selina Taylor who also was not her child. She only married Carmelo Pidoto. It is also missing some of Frances Elizabeth Taylorâs children with Carmelo Pidoto. http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/37210066/person/1905294684...=

Carmelo Pidoto, died 1891
Carmelo Pidoto was born to Giovanni Pidoto and Rosa Pidoto (born Strana).
Giovanni was born in 1800, in Italy.
Rosa was born in 1806.
Carmelo had one brother: Mariano James Pidoto.
Carmelo married Frances Elizabeth Pidoto (born Taylor).
Frances was born in 1846.
They had 9 children: Rose Pidoto, Mary Jane Pidoto and 7 other children.
Carmelo passed away in month 1891, at death place.

Where did the name of Peter's ship,"little Angelina" come from? Did he name it after his fourth child? This would seem to dispel such a theory.

Mr. William Duthie reports the sale on account of the Gipps Land S N Company, of the schooner Little Angelina, 33 tons register, to Captain P. Pidoto, at a satisfactory price.
(The Argus Saturday 25 June 1881 p 6 Article)

However,Peter must have been leasing the schooner since 1875 when Angelina was only about two years old.

FOR DROMANA_The clipper schooner LITTLE ANGELINA, now RECEIVING CARGO at New Dock, will be despatched early next week, and take the place of the Saucy Jack. For rate of freight, &&, apply to P. PIDOTO, on board, New Dock. (P.1, Argus, 11-9-1875.)

In an unobtrusive way, -says-the-Argus, Williamstown now and again contributes its mild share in shipbuilding to the commercial marine of the colony, and the latest craft launched from the local stocks is the Little
Angeline, a fore-and-aft schooner, built at Mr. Legg's yard for Captain Peter Pidoto, of Dromana, and intended for trading there, or the adjacent colonies if necessary. She is a pretty model, and a well-finished vessel in
all respects, and the following are her dimensions :-Length, 67ft. 4in. ; beam, 16ft. 8 in.; and depth of hold, 5ft. 3in. She is 35 tons register, but can carry 70 tons dead weight on a draught of 4ft. 6in.; which will
prove serviceable in shallows or bar harbours.

The schooner is substantially put together, and colonial woods have been used in her construction. The framework is made of blue gum and red gum, the planking of blue gum, and the decks and spars of Kauri pine.
She is also fitted with two centre boards, and has a very pretty shield figure-head. On being launched on Saturday, hearty wishes were expressed for a successful career for the Little Angeline.
(P.2,Williamstown Chronicle,28-8-1875.)

Peter's brother Mariano, of Williamstown,was also a master mariner. There is plenty of genealogical information on trove about his family. Mariano seems to have been definitely born in 1834 but the U.K. website, where I found the details of Peter's death in 1891 (scans of death and funeral notices)states that Peter was born in 1831. Another website above states that Peter was born in 1836.

Peter seems to have had command of many vessels over the years. The ADMIRAL was probably the first.
FOR DROMANA.-The ADMIRAL, cutter, now lying at the New Dock, will sail on Monday, the 4th June.
(P.1,Argus,2-6-1866.)

FOR DROMANA.-Cutter ITALIA, lying in the New Dock, is ready to RECEIVE CARGO. Will sail about Thursday next.
(P.1, Argus, 11-2-1867.)

FOR DROMANA, on Tuesday next, from New Dock, the cutter G. F. VERDON. Freight, 12s. for less than three tons, and 10s. upwards, to be paid on delivery.Captain PETER PIDOTO.
(P.1,Argus,27-5-1867.)

FOR DROMANA.-Tho ROSA and MARY JANE will RECEIVE CARGO THIS DAY at the New Dock, and sail Tuesday.
P. PIDOTO, Master. (P.1, Argus,18-12-1871.)

SAUCY JACK < 1875 > LITTLE ANGELINA.

PETER'S LETTER. Still Little Angelina. THE DROMANA JETTY. TO THE EDITOR OF THE ARGUS.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 4 July 1883 p 5 Article

DROMANA.
During the very-stormy weather on Friday night, the ketch "Ripple" trading between Dromana and Melbourne,and owned by Capt. Pidoto broke away from her moorings at the jetty. It appears that at about half past eleven at night the ropes by which the craft was fastened to the jetty gave way, and for a while she was held by her anchors but the gale becoming stronger than ever drove the vessel over the sand bar and landed her on the beach. The tide must have been very high at the time for it is now possible to walk along between the stranded vessel and the water. It is thought that little trouble will be experienced in getting her off again.I understand that the schooner "Little Angelina", also owned by Capt. Pidoto, will take up the running until the
Ripple is again ready for service. (P.2, Mornington Standard, 1-11-1890.)

In my special Pidoto rate research, I found that one year the address of the widowed Frances was given as Balmain N.S.W. Trying to find why, I discovered another of Peter's ships.
The vessel was found to be the Templar, a small wooden schooner of 29 tons register, 57 feet long, 16 feet beam and 6 feet 4 inches depth of hold, built at Sandridge, Victoria, in 1879, and owned by Mr. Peter Pidoto.
(A SCHOONER LOST.
Australian Town and Country Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1870 - 1907) Saturday 16 January 1892 p 12 Article)

WRECK OF A KETCH.
A message from Flinders (Vic.) says.-The wrecked ketch Little Angelina on Phillip Island shore is still holding together. She is right up on the rocks, and at low tide can be discerned from Flinders, distant across the bay
about five miles. There does not appear to be much hope of getting her afloat. It is not known here whether any
steps are likely to be taken with this object. The Little Angelina belonged formerly to the late Mr.Pidoto, of
Dromana, and was a regular trader between Dromana and Melbourne.
(The Sydney Morning Herald Saturday 17 June 1899 p 10 Article.)



THE PIDOTO LAND IN DROMANA.
A.EAST HALF CROWN ALLOTMENT 5, SECTION 1, KANGERONG.
The land along the Esplanade east of McCulloch St was not part of the township of Dromana and consisted of crown allotments 1 to 8 of section 1,parish of Kangerong. Crown allotment 5 consisting of 36 acres and 25 perches was between the east end of Gibson St and the Kangerong Avenue/Carrigg St midline,extending to Palmerston Ave (the freeway.) Two one acre blocks housed a store run by James Holden (and later his widow who died at over 100 years old) and a house occupied by fisherman John McLear and his son,Nip. See my journal PIONEERING NEIGHBOURS NEAR CARRIGG ST.The remaining 34 acres were sold in two equal parts,the eastern 17 acres becoming Peter's and the western half including the Dromana Hotel,built in 1862, with the north end of Carrigg St separating them.

DROMANA Esplanade - Eight-roomed HOUSE,kitchen, stable, coachhouse outbuildings, fruit flower gardens and 16 acres land under English grasses. Peter Pidoto 40 Elizabeth street N. (P.11,Argus,14-2-1885.)

Advertising
South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 11 May 1887 p 2 Advertising
... SCOTT havcbeen favored wJith instructions from P. Pidoto, Esq., in consequence of his removal from the .

Messrs. Howard and Scott report having held a very satisfactory clearing sale of cattle, household furniture &c., on account of P. Pidoto, Esq., Dromana.
(South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 25 May 1887 p 2 Article)


Sporting Notes.
The Dromana Sports Club committee have decided to alter the date of the proposed race meeting for November 9th, to the second week in January. The change was made on account of there being very few horses in training in November, while in January it will be held when other clubs on the Peninsula will be having theirs. The
Dromana racecourse,is now the sole property of Mr G. S. Edwards, of the Dromana Hotel, he having purchased
the paddock from Mrs Pidoto
.

I'd often wondered whether the racecourse behind the Dromana Hotel was just on the hotel's 17 acres or Peter's half as well. Peter would have had to move his cattle during the race meetings. The Football Club used the racecourse for home games until 1927 when it became Spencer Jackson's Foreshore Estate as shown on page 172 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA* and a new recreation ground was virtually donated by the blackmith discussed on the plaque located on the south east corner of Charles and Pier Sts. There were two courses being used at Dromana,the other being on the Dromana Secondary College site but in late 1923 or early 1924,the club received notice from the Victorian Chief Secretary that he would authorise meetings at only one of the courses and this probably prompted Lou Carrigg ,who had been a stalwart of the racing and footy clubs,to sell his 34 acres.

*A close inspection of the aerial photo shows that the track is just visible,occupying the whole 34 acres.

B. DROMANA TOWNSHIP BLOCKS.
C/A 9 SECT.12. J.PIDOTO. 27-7-1864.FRONTAGES TO CODRINGTON AND VERDON BETWEEN POINTS 80 AND 100 METRES NORTH OF LIGAR ST.
C/A 3,SECT.11, P.PIDOTO. 27-7-1864.FRONTAGES TO SAME STREETS BETWEEN POINTS 40 AND 60 METRES SOUTH OF LIGAR ST.
C/A 7 SECT.4. P.PIDOTO.12-7-1864.FRONTAGES OF 40M AND 37.71M TO WEST SIDE HEALES AND NORTH SIDE HODGKINSON.
C/A 5 AND 7 SECT.15. P.PIDOTO. 8-8-65 AND 8-6-65. FRONTAGES TO VERDON AND HEALES FROM 80-100 M AND 120-140M SOUTH OF HODGKINSON.
C/A 1, 2 SECT. 18. P.PIDOTO. 2-11-64 AND 10-10-84. FRONTING SOUTH SIDE HODGKINSON AND 40 METRES IN MCCULLOCH AND HEALES.


C. THE RAILWAY ESTATE.
1910-11.
EMILY BLAKELY,CARLTON, LOTS 29,20 BAIB ESTATE.
WM.BROUGHTON BUTCHER RICHMOND LOTS 15, 16 RAIL ESTATE.
MRS. M.E.DYSON, BOARDING HOUSE KEEPER, LAND RAILWAY ESTATE.CHAS DUHAM MELB (SOLD TO MISS DEBNEY,MT.ALEX RD FLEM)LOT 38 OF 13 RAILWAY ESTATE.
MRS A FOLEY* IVANHOE LOT 28 RAIL ESTATE.
MRS FITZGERALD 1 LOT RAIL ESTATE.
MRSE. FLETCHER, HAWTHORN 1 LOT RAIL ESTATE.
JONAH GRIFFITH **(INSPECTOR?), 1 LOT AND BUILDINGS, RAIL ESTATE.
F.W.HILLYARD, STH. MELB.,1 LOT RAIL ESTATE (65 LOT 13 SECT.1.)
MRS MOVIS, BALLARAT,LOT 28 RY EST.
MRS PIDOTO,CLIFTON HILL (W.E.THOMPSON OCC.,G.S.EDWARDS OWNER)17 ACRES KANGERONG N.A.V. 50 POUNDS, RAILWAY ESTATE UNSOLD LOTS N.A.V. 30 POUNDS.
NELSON RUDDUCK & CO. 2 LOTS 13 RAIL ESTATE
SILL H.A.? I LOT RAIL ESTATE
KATE TALBOT 1 LOT AND BUILDINGS RAIL ESTATE.
- ARTHUR LOT 35 RAIL ESTATE.

*The Pidotos continued their involvement at Dromana after Peter's death. Pidoto, Foley and Co. was complimented about contributions. I didn't open the article but I'll bet it was in regard to fund-raising for the establishment of the Catholic Church,in which Lawrence Murphy played such a prominent part.
find article when internet signal returns

Just as well I'm not a gambler. The Pidoto family obviously followed the Roman Catholic faith but the donation was to the Presbyterians. The donation was also before Peter's death.Oh well,you can't get them all right. However I was right about the family's continued involvement at Dromana. The girls were involved in a fund-raising concert for the Catholic Church in 1905 and attended the Fleming-Hazedine wedding in 1912. John Cain had devised a nickname for Lena to introduced her at the concert. The Cains had enabled early masses for Southern Peninsula residents, priest coming across the Bay to preach at Owen Cain's Tyrone between Rye Township and Canterbury Jetty Rd.

Our Presbyterian friends are very busy preparing for a bazaar, to be held in January next. The proceeds, I believe, are to be devoted to the purchase of a second allotment of land on which to erect a manse. An adjoining allotment was presented to the denomination by Messrs.Pidoto, Foley and Co. some time ago.
(P.3,Mornington Standard,19-10-1989.)

Miss L. Pidoto.(referred to by the chairman as the " prima donna" from Croajingalong).. next sang "'The carnival," in a pleasing manner. (P.2, Mornington Standard, 19-8-1905.)

Members of R C. Church,Dromana (Mrs and Misses O'Connor, Noble and Pidoto)-tea set;
( Orange Blossom. FLEMINGâHAZLEDINE.
Mornington Standard (Frankston, Vic. : 1911 - 1920) Saturday 4 May 1912 p 3 Article)

** Jonah Griffith's nickname was Dohn. Famous American illustrator,Ewart (Melbourne) Brindle lived in Dromana from 1904-1918 and his fabulous map of Dromana,which he drew decades later, not only shows Dohn's house and where Young Ewart helped him to build his boat but gives a fair indication where the unsold lots on the railway estate were.



With such pitiful handwriting that led me to transcribe the first entry as the baib estate and usually inadequate descriptions of properties (the first part of Frances' assessment should have read 17 acres of east half crown allotment 5, section 1 Kangerong, 8 roomed house and outbuildings, the buildings providing most of the 50 pounds N.A.V.), it is amazing that I worked out where the railway estate was. it was crown allotment 13, section 1,Kangerong,consisting of about 37 acres granted to Charles Barnett. It was bounded by Palmerston Ave,Jetty Rd and Boundary Rd.






CARMELO PIDOTO Deceased-Pursuant to the provisions of the Trusts Act 1890 notice is hereby given that all persons having any claims against the estate of Carmelo Pidoto (usually known as Peter Pidoto) late of "Dromana", Rowe street, North Fitzroy, in the colony of Victoria, master mariner, deceased, who died on the 20th day of September 1891 and Letters of Administration of whose estate (with the will annexed) was granted by
the Supreme Court of the Colony of Victoria, in its Probate Jurisdiction on the 26th day of November 1891 to the Perpetual Executors and Trustees Association of Australia Limited the said company being duly authorised by Frances Elizabeth Pidoto the widow of the said deceased to apply for and obtain letters of Administration with the said will annexed are hereby required to SEND PARTICULARS of such CLAIMS in writing to the said Perpetual
Executors and Trustees Association of Australia Limited of 40 Queen street, Melbourne on or before the 1st day of July next after which date the said company will proceed to distribute the assets of the said Carmelo Pidoto amongst the persons entitled thereto having regard only to the claims of which it shall then have had notice and it will not be liable for the assets or any part thereof so distributed of whose claim it shall not then have had notice.
Dated the 26th day of May, 1892.
THOS. G. BOYD 450 Chancery lane, Melbourne, proctor for the said company. (P.3, Argus,1-6-1892.)

THIS BLOKE'S GOT TO BE ON DROMANA'S ROLL OF HONOUR!
John PIDOTO
Regimental number 10781
Religion Roman Catholic
Occupation Telegraph linesman
Address Glenelg, South Australia
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 33
Next of kin Mother, Mrs F E Pidoto, 364 Queen Street, Clifton Hill, Victoria
Enlistment date 3 September 1915
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 27 August 1915
Rank on enlistment Gunner
Unit name Field Artillery Brigade 6, Reinforcement 2
AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/34/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A19 Afric on 5 January 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Driver
Unit from Nominal Roll 6th Field Artillery Brigade
Recommendations (Medals and Awards)
Military Medal


Consistent valuable services and gallantry under fire as linesman.
Recommendation date: 2 October 1916
Mention in Despatches


Awarded, and promulgated, 'London Gazette', second Supplement, No. 29890 (2 January 1917); 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 103 (29 June 1917).
Fate Returned to Australia 20 December 1917
Medals
Military Medal


Source: 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 169
Date: 4 October 1917
(A.I.F.PROJECT SEARCH.)

DANGEROUSLY WOUNDED 1917.
PIDOTO.-Mrs. Pidoto, Clifton Hill, has been informed that her son, Gunner J. Pidoto, who was mentioned in despatches, and was awarded the Military Medal for conspicuous bravery, has been wounded in the chest, and left arm, and is returning to Australia. Before enlisting Gunner Pidoto was a linesman in the post-office in South
Australia. He has been on active service for two and a half years. (P.6, Argus, 7-2-1918.)

POST OFFICE DIRECTORY 1869, BROADMEADOWS , DROMANA, VIC., AUST.

THIS JOURNAL CAME ABOUT THROUGH A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR PETER PIDOTO WHO SEEMS TO HAVE DIED IN 1891 AT THE AGE OF 60,HIS GIVEN NAME ACTUALLY BEING CARMALO. DUE TO OTHER JOURNALS NEEDING COMPLETION,THIS WILL BE ENTIRELY FROM MEMORY. ALL COMMENTS WILL BE IN UPPER CASE.

POSTSCRIPT.
And I thought the digitisation on trove was bad! The links given in comment 1 don't seem to work. I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IF SORRENTO HAD BEEN INCLUDED AS A TOWNSHIP (SEE MY JOURNAL "THERE WOULD BE NO SORRENTO..SIDNEY SMITH CRISPO") BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE!)I don't know why the producer(s) of this website bothered if this was the best they could do. It would have been better to refer readers to municipal libraries (probably most) which hold microfiche copies of the various post office directories including this one. I would suggest that local and family historians try their local libraries to access directories. Some, such as the Rosebud library, might even have a paper copy of some directories,such as Sands and McDougall's 1950 directory,which helped me to discover (with the help of David Shepherd and his wife and the Tullamarine Progress Association ratebook) that Percy Hurren,postmaster and store keeper at Moorooduc in 1950 was farming Dalkeith at Tullamarine by 1951.

As the source is so useless, transcription from microfiche seeming an easier task, I will not be dealing with any other districts, such as Bulla,Tullamarine, Keilor etc. Kathleen Fanning has a Bulla directory on her FANNING FAMILY HISTORY WEBSITE, and most historical societies and family history societies would probably have directories on word files. Information about people about whom I've written brief comments can be found in my journals by googling key words from the comment and itellya: e.g. SHANKLAND, DEAN'S, WALTHAM,ITELLYA ; GRAVES, MCLEAR,SURVEY, ITELLYA; GRAVES, HAWKER,SHOREHAM, FLINDERS,ITELLYA; WADDESON,RED HILL, ITELLYA.

I'LL TRY TO CORRECT SPELLING OF OTHER NAMES FROM THE MICROFICHE AND FIND TROVE REFERENCES FOR MY UNKNOWNS.


Full text of "The Victoria Post Office Directory" - Internet Archive
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ACBB, John, dispenser
ABdarsoD, Alexander, bootmaker ANDERSON
Ainott , John A., baker ' ARNOTT. NO APPARENT LINK TO WILLIAM ARNOTT,FOUNDER OF THE ARNOTTS BISCUIT COMPANY (NEWCASTLE.)
BxnSL H. John, labomrer
Bond, Jno. ft Wm.,farmeni,Buroke FAIRVIEW, BOND'S HILL,BONDS LANE AT GREENVALE.
BMvn, John, hajbcber
Kown, Bobert. ooach-driTer
Batler, Bichara, batcher BUTLER?
Cajobov, Angus, crpntr^Euroke
GameroQ, Jolm, farmer, Boroke CAMERON (STONY FIELDS RENAMED RUTHVENFIELD RENAMED ROXBURGH PARK.)C/A's
Gaighin, David, batcher CARGILL
CStapman, Bev. Dayid, minister CHAPMAN
Chapmaii, John
Cooper, John Henry, saddler
Ooffoonm, Daniel ft Peter, farmers CORCORAN?
Ganigaiu John William, farmer CORRIGAN?
Geoser, George, grocer COUSER
Cox, WiDiam, sorveyor
Cothbert, John, Euroke CUTHBERT?
Dalt. DeidfL baker DALEY? WILL WILL ROOK GRANT
BandBon, William, mason
Banris* WiBiam, shoemaker
Dofau-, John Hay, farmer
Drain, Hamilton ft Jas., laboorsrs
Brain, Joseph, oontraotor. DRAIN
Bonn, Edmond, farmer DUNN
I>attoii, Thomas, farmer, GHenroy DUTTON
I>attaik, Wni«, labourer, Glenroy



Dunnody,Ja8.,l[att.ftWm^fhttn. DARMODY?
Edoijb, George, squatter, I^irohe EDOLS (DUNHELEN)
Edwards, Wm., squatter, Euroke
Elkin, James, shoemaker
Fbbouson. WiffiAm, farmer
Gaw, Bidiard, farmer
Gawley, Jenvt, laboorer
GUmore, William, blaeksmith GILMORE
Glasebrook, James, labourer
Goding, Arthur, briekmafcer GODING'S HOLLOW BEHIND THE OLD SHIRE HALL AND POLICE STATION.OLD BRICKS SEEM TO LINE CREEK.
Grace, Philip
Grant, Bobert ft Wm., carpenters POSSIBLY RELATED TO THE GRANTSOF CRAIGLLACHIE ON TULLAMARINE ISLAND,BULLA.
H ATTT, DaTid ft Bob. , oontraotora HATTY. POSSIBLY AT GREEN GULLY NEAR BALLATER PARK. DECENDANTS LATER ON DUNDONALD FOR DECADES UNTIL 1929 WHEN IT WAS BOUGHT FROM THE KENNEDY ESTATE BY ATTWOOD WHO SOLD HALF OF THE 400 ACRES FOR A REMOUNT (NOW POLICE HORSES AND VET. COLLEGE.)
Haywood, John, fanner
Heam, John, farmer
Hickey; Timothy, fanner
Hill, Wm.'H., sen., poundkeeper
HiU, William H., jun., labourer
Hoctor, Jas., Mich, ft Tim.,fanners . DUNHELEN LANE AND ANOTHER FARM ON THE WEST SIDE OF PASCOE VALE RD WHOSE NAME I'VE FORGOTTEN. JACK HOCTOR WAS ONE OF MY AMAZING ORAL HISTORY SOURCES.
Hooney, John, dairyman
JoHUBTOir, John, farmer
Judson, Isaac, Euroke
KsimDT, Alexander, labourer
Kennedy,Mrs. Jessie,DundonaldH WIDOW OF DONALD,DUNDONALD
KecT, John, dairyman, Glenroy KERR BOUGHT PASTURE HILL AND BAYVIEW FARMS ON THE GLENROY ESTATE OF THE LATE DONALD KENNEDY IN 1874 AND BUILT KERRSLAND WHICH STILL STANDS IN THE GROUNDS OF PENOLA COLLEGE WHOSE NAME HONOURS THE PLACE WHERE MARY MCKILLOP STARTED HER PROGRESS TO SAINTHOOD; MARY WAS RELATED TO THE CAMERONS WHO,LIKE DONALD KENNEDY CAME FROM GLENROY IN SCOTLAND.
Kingahott, John, blacksmith KINGSHOTT
Lavabs, John, farmer, Euroke LAVARS. BUILT THE GREENVALE HOTEL ON THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF MICKLEHAM AND SOMERTON RDS. SEE MY MICKLEHAM ROAD JOURNAL.
Layars, Martin, labourer, Euroke LAVARS. LATER LEASED PART OF THE DUNDONALD ESTATE THEN RAN A SHOP AT GLENROY.
Lawrance, John, farmer LAWRENCE
MAUiOWB, Thos., hawker, Euroke MALLOWS
Mason, John, gardener
M'lyor, Erander, surreror McIVOR
M'Kee, Henry, constable
M'Kerohar,Dun. ftJ. ,fmrs. ,Eun>ke McKERCHAR. MARRIED A McNAB GIRL. AYRSHIRES.
M'Kendrle,A]ex. ft John, lab oww
M'Kencie, Duncan, teacher McKENZIE. AT THE COMMON SCHOOL IN BROADMEADOWS TOWNSHIP IF I REMEMBER THE WESTMEADOWS PRIMARY SCHOOL CENTENARY HISTORY CORRECTLY.
M'Nab, Angus, farmer, Euroke PART OF THE DUNHELEN ESTATE. LATER RETURNED TO TULLAMARINE AND ESTABLISHED THE SECOND VICTORIA BANK BETWEEN BARBISTON RD AND AUCHOLZIE.
M'Nab, Donald, farmer, Gn. Gully
Michie, Alex., farmer, Green GuDy BALLATER PARK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
MiUer, Thomas, cattle-dealer
Mills, William, labourer
Milone, John, farmer
Mogford, Wm., coachnproprietor PROBABLY OWNED THE HISTORIC OLD COACH HOUSE ON THE BROAD ST CORNER IN BROADMEADOWS TOWNSHIP (WESTMEADOWS),IN WHICH JACK HOCTOR WAS BORN.
Monro, John, blacksmith
OifBT, Wm., labourer, Euroke
Pafworth, Henry, labonrer PAPWORTH. ON MACHELL'S ESTATE NEAR PROVIDENCE LANE.PROMINENT MEMBER OF NEARBY METHODIST CHURCH. EARLY RESIDENTS ON JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER'S CO-OP. SUBDIVISIONS NEAR MANSFIELDS RD OR SECTION 10 ON TULLAMARINE ISLAND.
Pell, John, labourer
Phillips, Mrs. Frances, grocer
PhillitM, Peter, bookkeeper
Poynder, Ber. Bobert, minister
Proctor, Thomas, bookhindOT
Roberts, Alfred, painter
Robertson, Peter GELLIBRAND COTTAGE,PROBABLY BETWEEN SWAIN ST AND PROVIDENCE LANE.
Robinson, James, teacher, Euroke PROBABLY THE FIRST TEACHER AT GREENVALE SCHOOL 890 ON THE WEST CORNER OF SOMERTON AND SECTION RDS. PRESENT SCHOOL ON HUGHIE WILLIAMSON'S DUNVEGAN RETAINS THIS NUMBER.
Rose, Alexander, bootmaker I THINK HE WAS NEAR ESSENDON IF I REMEMBER LENORE FROST'S STREET NAMES OF ESSENDON CORRECTLY.
Shanklin, Robert, fanner, Euroke SHANKLAND. "WALTHAM". BUILT FIRST STAGE OF DEAN'S HOTEL AT MOONEE PONDS (MOONEE PONDS TAVERN SITE) IN 1852.
Sharp, James, farmer (HILLSIDE,1867)
Sheppard, Jessie, farmer, Euroke
Shields, Alexander, contractor
Skelton, Henry, labourer, Glonroy
Stewart, G^eorge, labourer
Stewart, John, farmer
Summers, John, farmer
Thompson, Pat, squatter, Euroke
Thompson, William, farmer
Toogood, Stephen, farmer
Toomey, Michael, labourer TWOMEY. SHANKLAND RELATIONSHIP. GLEN ALLAN 1920'S.
Triglone, Edwin, saddler
IJNWnr, Nathaniel, fturmer UNWIN.YUROKE GRANT
Vauoran, Thos. ft Wm., farmers VAUGHAN
Wjelbh, Patrick, contractor
WUe, William, hotel-keeper
Willumison, Andrew, â¬^eorge, and
DaTid, farmers, Glenroy WILLIAMSON. LATER FAIRVIEW AND CAMP HILL.
Woods, Peter, hotel-keeper (PROBABLY ESSENDON HOTEL-RECENTLY DE MARCO'S,THEN THE GRAND- JUST SOUTH OF WOODLANDS ST AND THUS IN THE BOROUGH OF ESSENDON AND FLEMINGTON???)





TOMOLASA ; PosW Town DROMANA

and Police Station ; onder
KaomoDgRoedBoard ; County KANGERONG
and Elect. Dist. of Momington.
DisL47m.
lUU Its. Hslb. 13180 p.m., axr. 8
a.ai.; hre. for Melb. 6 p.m., air.
11.80 p.m. D. Nicholson, Jmg. B.
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AOAMB Henry £. , f mr., Waanadne ADAMS, WANNAEUE
Allan Herbert, g^irdener
AaderaoQ Rob., gnr., C. Schanck ANDERSON,BARRAGUNDA
AikweD John, farmer. Red Hill ARKWELL
Babueb Ed., fmr., Arthur's Seat BURRELL??
Barker Jno., landowner, CScbank CLERK OF VICTORIAN PARLIAMENT
fianett Charles, farmer BARNETT. RAILWAY ESTATE?
Bsjne Wm., farmer. Stony G^eek BAYNE
Boeg James R, fanner BOAG MELROSE FINGAL
Bovne Robert^ lighthouse-keeper
Brown Chas., farmer, Kangerong, ARTHURS SEAT (FORMERLY SCURFIELD'S) HOTEL FIRE EARLY 1898.
Bugess Edirard, oontraotor



Buriell Joseph Brooks, landowner BURRELL
Butcher Henir, fisherman
Caldwbll Rooert, landowner CALWELL,DROMANA HILL
Chapman George, farmer SEAWINDS?
Crigbton John, fiarmer, Boneo CRICHTON GLENLEE
Dtson John, teamster DYSON. BUS LINE
Eato!7 fcGriffith,fmr8.,Kangerong WATSON EATON & ABRAHAM GRIFFITH
Eaton Watson, farmer, Kangerong DROMANA'S AMATEUR BUT LOVED DOCTOR UNTIL HIS DEATH IN 1877.MEMORIAL IN MUSEUM.EATON'S CUTTING.
Elkin J ^tlgrph. officer, C.Sdianck
Fenbt Thomas, farmer FENBY?
Fish Wm., lighthouse-keeper
Ford Edw.,b!aoksmh , Wannaene BONEO
Gibson Walter, fmr., Kaiuraroiiff KANGERONG (GLENHOLM AND SURVEY)
Gibson Wm., shoemaker, Red H BALNARRING GRANT!
Grace William, landowner GRACEFIELD, LATER AT RYE (SON IN LAW, PATRICK SULLIVAN BUILT GRACEFIELD HOTEL ON HIS GRANTS IN RYETOWNSHIP, NOW THE SITE OF MRS HUNT'S RYE HOTEL.)
Graves Chas., farmer, Stony Ck TENANT FROM 1851 ON SURVEY AND HAWKER TILL 1860, BOUGHT MARYFIELD AND SOLD TO MARY ANN McLEAR, HIS PARTNER IN THE HAWKING BUSINESS, AS SOON AS HE'D HAD THE RYMER BROTHERS FENCE IT, ESTABLISHED WOODLANDS IN THE PARISH OF FLINDERS, STORE AT SHOREHAM.
Grey Edward, farmer. Stony Ck CROWN ALLOTMENTS----BALNARRING
Grimth Abraham, farmer GRIFFITH, SOON KILLED IN ACCIDENT
Haddow William, shepherd (ON BARRAGUNDA FOR ROBERT ANDERSON, CROWN ALLOTMENT---FINGAL
Haldan Alezander, storekeeper
Head Alfred, farmer, Miuk Creek C/A's - AND - BALNARRING, STRADDLING STONY CREEK ROAD. SOLD MOST OF HIS PRODUCE IN THE TOURIST SEASON AT SORRENTO WHERE HE HAD A SHOP. A DESCENDANT PRESENTLY PLAYS FOOTY FOR SORRENTO. ONE OF HIS DAUGHTERS MARRIED INTO A SORRENTO FAMILY (LENTELL?)
Hillis Hill, fmr.. Ht Macmahon MT MCMAHON AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, 50 ACRES OF GLENBOWER AT RED HILL. (TO BE DETAILED IN BARRY WRIGHT'S BOOK ABOUT WILDWOOD.)
Holding Bichard H., farmer FORMER TEACHER, NEGRO SERVANT, 72b BALNARRING
Hopcraft Wm., farmer. Musk Ck BALNARRING GRANTS
Kbllt Rich. H., Ch. of Enf. reader
Marquis Jno., carpenter, Musk Ck
M'Keown James, farmer GLENBOWER AND WILDWOOD MINUS HILL HILLIS'S 50 ACRES
M'llroy Wm., farmer, Kangerong KANGERONG GRANTS
M'Lear Geo., farmer, Kangerong MARYFIELD, BULLOCKY
KiCHOLBON Daniel, schoolmaster NICHOLSON.GRANT NEAR POLICE STATION, CNR MCCULLOCH ST.
Patterson Walter, farmer ⢠SURVEY
Pidoto Peter, storekeeper AND MARINER
Place Francis, contractor
QuiNAR Mrs. Emma, achoolmistrs QUINAN. PURVES CONNECTION. FATHER,ROBERT, COMMITTED SUICIDE BECAUSE OF HIS PART TIME JOB.
Rat Chas., farmer, Kanfferong RAE OR RAY. LARGE PART OF SURVEY.
Ringrose Bryan, farmer. Red Hill 60 ACRES SOUTH OF FOUR WINDS.
RdOney Daniel, carpenter
Rymer Thomas, carpenter
ScuRFiELD Wm. D., hotelkeeper SCURFIELD'S HOTEL, WHERE FATHER NIALL DISGRACED HIMSELF. GRANTS IN BROADMEADOWS AND DROMANA TOWNSHIPS.
Simon HenrvB , fmr., Arthurs st KANGERONG GRANTS JOINED BY SIMON'S CUTTING. FRENCH? BELGIAN?
Singleton John, aawyer SAWYER.
Sn^ Duke, shoemaker SNELL, DUKE SOUTHBY.
Tasskll Edwin L., farmer TASSELL.LEASED BRUCE'S NORTHERN 1000 ACRES OF SURVEY BETWEEN MT MARTHA WATERWAY (TASSELL'S CREEK) AND ELLERINA/BRUCE/FOXEY'S RD.DIED AT ABOUT THIS TIME.
Taylor Wm., farmer, Kangerong CARMELO (PETER) PIDOTO'S FATHER IN LAW, WHO DIED IN 1885 SHORTLY AFTER HIS (W.T.'S) WIFE.
Townsend John, brickmaker WANNAEUE GRANTS.
Wadbson k Holmes, faars.. Red H WADESON AND HOLMES. 15AB KANGERONG. WADESON KILLED AS RESULT OF FALL FROM HORSE AT ABOUT THIS TIME.
WADESON.â At his farm, at Kangerong, from injuries received through his horse running away,Lawrence Wadeson, aged sixty-two, much respected in life and deeply regretted in death.
(P.94,Illustrated Australian News 12-6-1876.)

Wall A., lighthse-kpr., C. Schanck
Watkin Richard, hotelkeeper DROMANA HOTEL BUILT CIRCA 1862,AFTER RUNNING SCURFIELD'S AND SUPPLYING TIMBER 1858.
White Robert, shoemaker UNCLE OF BLOOMING BOB WHITE (ROBERT JAMES), AND FATHER OF BLOOMING BOB WHITE. MARRIED TWO DAUGHTERS OF HILL HILLIS
Wilson Geo., farmer. Stony Ck SON OF SARAH WILSON, SURVEY TENANT BY 1855. SEE MY JOURNALS ABOUT SARAH. SEE "GIVING DESTINY A HAND" BY PETRONELLA WILSON. NOT RELATED TO ANZAC,GERVAIS WILSON.
Wilson Henry William, butcher FOUNDER OF BUTCHERING DYNASTY AFTER BRIEF STINT AS BULLOCKY. THE BLAIRGOWRIE SHOPS ARE ON A FORMER WILSON ABBATOIR SITE. MANY STREETS ON THE SOUTHERN PENINSULA ARE NAMED AFTER THE FAMILY INCLUDING THAMER BURDETT WHOM HE MARRIED, HIS SON, GODFREY AND POSSIBLY COUTTS (A POSSIBLE ARISTOCRATIC LINK TO THE BURDETTS.)HENRY'S GRANDSON WAS SAVED FROM DROWNING USING MOUTH TO MOUTH ABOUT 70 YEARS BEFORE THIS METHOD CAME INTO COMMON USE.
Windsor Francis £., fmr., Red H KANGERONG GRANTS.
Wiseman Jas., blacksmith, Red H KANGERONG GRANTS. IRON BICYCLE.RED HILL'S FIRST SCHOOL. WISEMAN'S DEVIATION.
Young George, farmer, Stony Ck POSSIBLY STILL ON SURVEY BUT SOON INVOLVED AT MOOROODUC. INVOLVED IN THE SARAH WILSON STORY. SEE "GIVING DESTINY A HAND."
Toung Robt. C, farmer. Red Hill ROBERT COXON YOUNG. KANGERONG GRANTS.

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ANDREW MCCRAE MIGHT NEVER HAVE BEEN A PENINSULA PIONEER: VIC., AUST. AND NEW ZEALAND.

If John Batman could read the following he'd do more than turn in his grave. I don't know whether the claims for land in New Zealand, referred to below,were actually approved,but there seems to have been a huge inconsistency in the responses to his purchase of land north and west of Port Phillip Bay and similar purchases from Maoris in New Zealand.

Only one claim is detailed below. If it was approved and Andrew Murchison McCrae was Andrew McCrae, one of the partners named, there would probably be no historic McCRAE HOMESTEAD and Dromana West might have been renamed as Wannaeue. The following was found in a fruitless** search for Major Fraser of the Kangerong Estate*, mentioned by Richard Howitt in a report of his walk to Westernport in 1842/3. I have seen no reference to the occupant of the Arthur's Seat Run before Andrew McCrae and suspected that Major Fraser was that man. (**However, another reading of that article shows that " From Brighton to Major Fraser's squatting station is eight or nine miles." My misreading of the following passage had led me to Andrew McCrae's land claim in New Zealand.)


*There were a great number of squatters' stations all around Melbourne at this period. Those lying between Melbourne and Westernport at which Howitt called or to which he made reference, included Major Fraser's, the Kangerong Estate,Willoughby's cattle station, Rutherford and Blackmore's, Manton's, Merrick's***, Allen's, Barker's, and Captain Reid's-the latter at the foot of Mount Martha. (*** Maurice Meyrick's Boniyong)
(EARLY VICTORIA. RICHARD HOWITT'S IMPRESSIONS. AN INTERESTING OLD BOOK.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 25 December 1909 p 6 Article)

I now suspect that the Kangerong Estate was Jamieson's Special Survey. Willoughby's Cattle Station may have been the Arthurs Seat Run.
(p.s. Willoughby and Thompson bought the Cape Schanck run from Robert Jamieson and Thompson sold it to the Barkers. P. 25 A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. The Barkers bought Boniyong at about the same time and no indication is given by the article about which run was occupied by the Barkers during Howitt's visit. So I did a WILLOUGHBY, ARTHURS SEAT search on trove. Eureka! The following does not prove that Willougby had the Arthurs Seat Run before Andrew took up the lease circa 1843. I suspect that the following had taken place: Willoughby had become insolvent and his partnership with Thompson had been dissolved. Thompson himself may have become the shepherd at Barrabung and Andrew,busy with the construction of the homestead until Georgiana's arrival on 9-6-1845, probably allowed Willoughby to act as his manager or to graze his own cattle on the run.)

CHILD STOLEN BY THE BLACKS.-Intelligence reached town a few days since that a fine little child, son of Mr
Willoughby, of Arthur's Seat, was stolen by the blacks under the following circumstances : etc.
Geelong Advertiser and Squatters' Advocate (Vic. : 1845 - 1847) Wednesday 6 May 1846 p 2 Article


I bet Andrew McCrae and partners paid a lot less for their 1.28 million acres in New Zealand than the 5280 pounds that Jamieson paid for his special survey! They certainly did!


CLAIMS TO LAND IN NEW ZEALAND. (Continued.)
The Sydney Herald (NSW : 1831 - 1842) Saturday 17 April 1841 p 4 Article
167. H. E. Michel, of Yass, John Johnson,M.D., of Kororarika, D. P. Okeden, of Maneroo,Andrew McCrae, of Melbourne, T. Chirmside,of Coodradigbee River, John Virtue, of London, James Wynen, of New Zealand, and Captain Guard, of New Zealand. 1,280,000 acres, being all that tract of land situated at the Pelorus River, embracing about forty miles of the sea coast, by fifty miles inland, and including Admiralty Bay and Queen Charlotte's Sound.(Boundaries not stated.) Purchased in the early part of 1839, from certain native chiefs by Messrs. Guard and Wynen, acting on behalf of themselves and other claimants. Consideration, merchandise to the amount of £500.Nature of conveyance, deed to Messrs. Guard and Wynen.

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HISTORY OF SCHOOLS IN VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA: SCHOOL NUMBERS.

It probably seems to some that I spend every idle moment thinking of a new journal to write but that's not how they come about. They usually come about from a chance discovery. Right now I could be writing a new journal called Mr Roger's Tramway at Blackwood because of such a discovery while I was trying to find out when Greendale State School was established to verify my suspicion that Greenvale State School had kept its Common School number in 1872. Instead,one side-track being quite enough,the article was emailed to Margot Hitchcock.

This journal had its genesis in about March 2014 when I heard that the Dromana Historical Society and R.S.L. had received a joint grant for a Centenary of the Gallipoli Landing project. Rosebud's Anzacs were not to be included in the research so I wrote the ROLL OF HONOUR,ROSEBUD journal. I showed it to the Rosebud Primary School Principal, Tony Short, and he thought it would be great for the school captains to carry the Roll of Honour in the Anzac Day march but it was too hard to get off the wall.

Today I called on Tony to see if the Roll of Honour would be carried this year.Like myself, Tony hadn't realised just how tall and heavy it was and thought some sort of cross bar arrangement would be needed but that even then it might still prove too difficult for children to carry. He loved my suggestion of a large photograph of the Roll being carried instead.I showed him my ROLL OF HONOUR, ROSEBUD journal and later he asked me about how long Red Hill had existed. I replied about 1862 and he asked me what the school number was. I said that I didn't know and he had to ring the bell to end recess.

While I was reading Barry Wright's memories of Red Hill, I saw the Red Hill State School number and immediately realised that Tony must have assumed that school numbers (like car regos)could indicate vintage, which they would, FOR SCHOOLS ESTABLISHED AFTER 1872. But it may be no guide at all to the respective ages of say, the Ascot Vale and Wonthaggi schools if both became state schools in 1872. Indeed,if the Ascot Vale school was called Bank St State School,it would have a completely different number!

Some people may wonder why their historic school has a high number while relatively new schools have a very low number. Greenvale Primary school, built in recent decades on the subdivision of Hughie Williamson's "Dunvegan" has a very low number, No. 890. This was a rare case where a brand new school was given the same number as its predecessor (at the west corner of Somerton and Section Rds.)

In nearby Tullamarine, there were three old schools: the former Wesleyan School 632 at the bend in Cherie St, the Tullamarine Island school(number 519 but given as 619 in a source quoted later) and the Seafield school No. 546. Tullamarine Island children attended the Bulla or Holden schools when a reduction in numbers caused a closure;it operated twice so that might account for two different numbers (or 619 could be a typo.) The Island children used Paul Tate's Ford to cross Jacksons Creek on their way to the east end of McLeods Rd where the Holden School stood and when the second Island school on Bulla Park closed they crossed Deep Creek on Bedford's swing bridge to reach the second Bulla School in School Lane.

In 1884 schools 632 and 546 were replaced by S.S.2613 Tullamarine on the north corner of Bulla Rd and Conders Lane (north corner of Melrose Drive and Link Rd.) Again in 1961, this block being acquired for the airport,a new school was opened at the corner of Broadmeadows Rd and Dalkeith Avenue, occupying two LTC (Light timber construction) buildings which were clad with brick a decade later. Once again a new number was employed. Such a high number might lead people to believe that Tullamarine children had been uneducated for about 106 years!

Without wanting to present a history of education in Victoria, I will give a very short summary.Anyone could open a school in early days. Probably one of the earliest on the Mornington Peninsula was on Jamiesons Special Survey near Wallaces Rd (Melway 160 J 4)in the 1850's. Churches opened their own schools in populated areas and when they started asking for state aid only one of them would be chosen as a NATIONAL school based on the Irish model with a curriculum agreed by most denominations. In 1862, with schools coming more under state control, this time called Common Schools, Robert Quinan's school at Dromana was chosen over Daniel Nicholson's but when Quinan committed suicide through shame at not being able to balance the Shire's books (in his part time second job)Nicholson ended up with the job anyway. The Moorooduc school opened as a Common School in a church building near the south east corner of Mornington-Tyabb and Moorooduc Rds. Its number was 825 but its replacement at Jones Corner in 1880 or shortly after was called State School 2327.
Moorooduc Port Phillip Eastern region 825 3 308
Moorooduc Port Phillip Eastern region 2327 3 374

In 1872, the Education Department was established under the leadership of the revered Frank Tate. Schools were called State Schools and numbered in alphabetical order. Common schools probably kept their numbers. Did Greenvale keep its Common School number,given to it in 1869? Yes,or its number would have been higher than Greendale's school,which became a state school in 1872.

The following has saved me a visit to the Rosebud Library to consult VISION AND REALISATION.
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The Bacchus Marsh Express (Vic. : 1866 - 1918) Saturday 14 December 1872 p 2 Article
... in consequence of the bad attendance; third, to the Sunday school, at which, he stated, only two ... . Messrs. John Brady and William Courtney are gazetted members of the Greendale School committee.

It is likely that the Greendale school was a private affair until after the Greenvale Common School opened in 1869, and that it became a Common School in about 1870,retaining its common school number in 1872.

GREENDALE,
(FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.)
The school opened in Mr. Graham's barn by Mr. Chamon on Monday last, has been fairly attended during the past week, and will doubtless be a large school ere long.(P.3, Bacchus Marsh Express,15-2-1868.)

Greendale Central Highlands region 918 2 708
Greenvale Port Phillip Western region 890 3 50
In the alphabetical index of Victorian schools the first number is the school number with the second and third numbers being volume and page numbers in VISION AND REALIZATION.

Vision and realisation : a centenary history of state ... - Trove
trove.nla.gov.au/work/8440127
Headteachers of all the schools in existence in 1971 were asked to submit a history of their schools. The boss at Tullamarine's Dalkeith Avenue school was lucky to have plenty of descendants of pioneering families, and the Methodist Church centenary souvenir of 1970,to tell him about all the early schools in the area. All schools in existence in 1972 were given a copy of VISION AND REALISATION. Hopefully all copies from now-closed schools were donated to municipal libraries.

ALL Victorian Schools by name AND number
genealogyworld.blogspot.com/.../all-victorian-schools-by-name-and-nu...

Select this website and then choose one of the two alternative links down the page a bit:

Victorian Schools sorted by name
Victorian Schools sorted by number

Just to wrap up, what do these tell us?
Yabba Yabba Goulburn region 2483 3 817
Yabba Yabba South Goulburn region 2609 3 822
Yackandandah Upper Murray region 692 3 914
Yackandandah Upper Murray region 694 3 914
Yundool Goulburn region 1833 3 787
Yuroke Port Phillip Western region 548 3 41

Here's my guess.
The third,fourth and sixth schools started as Common schools in the 1860's and if they became state schools, they kept their common school numbers. The third school closed and later reopened,perhaps in a new building, as the fourth school. Yundool was probably the last school (alphabetically) to be established as a state school in 1872. Yuroke was established very early and was probably National School 548. Originally known as the Chalmers Institute,it was situated on Mickleham Rd across the road from the Dunhelen gates and was the venue for the meeting in 1857 at which the Broadmeadows Road District was formed. The first and second schools were probably established in the late 1870's or early 1880's.

Okay that wasn't all guesswork. Twenty seven years of local history research allows information to become a story. Like this one.

Jessie Rowe was a much-loved teacher at the Holden school and was given a big farewell circa 1903,when she left to teach at Tullamarine S.S. 2613. Within a few years she was resigning from the Department because she was marrying Frank Wright of "Strathconan" and was given a fond farewell again but with less sadness because she wouldn't be leaving the district. However before she left she had the unenviable task of telling her pupils of the drowning of William Mansfield and his son Willy at Bertram's Ford near Keilor in 1906. A Mr Rodgers took over from Jessie; all the pupils disappeared one hot lunchtime for a swim at the bone mill and, behaving stupidly, Colin Williams cracked his head open near the end of 1908. Colin was still recovering when school started the next year and was dismayed by tales of the new very strict teacher. The same teacher who organised community picnics on Alexander McCracken's Cumberland in 1909-1911,was secretary of the Tullamarine Progress Association 1924-1954, sent him a post card when Colin was serving overseas thirty or more years later,presented Broadmeadows Shire with the Tullamarine (Melrose Drive) Reserve, organised the Pioneers Roll still proudly displayed in the foyer of Tullamarine Primary School and has been honoured by the City of Hume with a plaque attached to a boulder at the Melrose Drive Reserve,a teacher named Alec Rasmussen.

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DOUGLAS PICKING OF THE SURVEY NORTH OF DROMANA, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.

Considering that Douglas Picking probably helped to maintain tourism in Dromana after the days of the steamers,it is amazing that the only mention of his fauna park in Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA was in relation to a fire described on page 146.

The local police would not allow fire fighters into what old-timers know as Russell's. This had been the site of American Marine manoeuvres in preparation for later Pacific island landings....much live ammunition had been lying in the paddocks. We local children had thought we had collected most of it,but in the face of the firefront,what we had missed was exploding, posing a serious risk to life and limb,hence the police ban. We therefore took ourselves on to Paterson's (sic) opposite Picking's Fauna Park,where with support from Australian troops from Balcombe we battled the fire there.

As rate records and the subdivision plan of Clarke's Estate on the Survey show, "Patterson's" was lots 18 and 19 of the Clarke Estate,286 acres north of Wallaces Rd (known to old-timers as Patterson's Lane), east of Pt Nepean Rd, and indicated by Melway 160 K2, part 1, 161A-B1,2,part 3, 151 B12,west third of C12. Pickings Lane is across Pt Nepean Rd from the south west corner of Patterson's and it is possible that Douglas built Bluestone Cottage (Mel. 160 G2)at the north west corner of lot 9, the old Griffith family homestead block.

To confirm or repudiate this, I will have to find a two or three year old email I sent to the shire Heritage Planning Officer, Simon Lloyd, when I was in the midst of trying to save the heritage of Rosebud and Dromana. Found it!
9/17/11 to Simon
While assembling Safety Beach information from trove, it suddenly occurred to me that Bluestone Homestead might have been a pioneer's home.( Located at the end of Pickings Rd (Melway 160 D2) it might have had a connection with D.Picking's peacock farm/fauna park.)
It requires no investigation as the only item of historical interest is the builder, Hanson, a descendant of Hec Hanson's grandfather who arrived in Balnarring in 1887.It was built in about 1980.
This was run by the owner as Bluestone Homestead cottages, which is still on the internet but has not operated as a bed and breakfast for some years. This information comes from the owner.
I suggest that this house be listed with a status "of little interest" with its only links to history being through the builder's pioneering family and the use of a material (bluestone) that had not been much used for over a century. With this information recorded, much precious assessment time will be saved in case somebody (like me) thinks the house has significance.


The following shows that Douglas had land on both sides of Pt Nepean Rd,perhaps including Godfrey Ralph Patterson's lots 18 and 19 and land farther east through which the creeks flow.

From where did D.Picking come?
Where was his Fauna Park exactly?
Where was his grant near Red Hill?
The answers to these questions disappeared when I lost my internet connection and had to reboot my computer to regain it. Wisely I had copied it but unwisely I didn't paste it into a word file and lost the lot.

When I saw yesterday's Southern Peninsula News (24-3-2015) the first question was answered. What part of Frankston? Long Island according to Doug's wedding notice. Pickings Road and Lane give an indication of the
location of Doug's 1000 acres on the survey, fronting Pt Nepean Rd. The creeks named seem to indicate that his land was near Tubbarubba. Doug's 2.125 acre grant (28C Kangerong) near Red Hill was between White Hill Rd and Old White Hill Rd west of Melbourne Water's Dromana Reservoir.

WEDDING BELLS. PICKINGâPHILLIPS.
Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Wednesday 18 October 1922 p 2 Article
... . Pick-ing, of Long Island, Frankston, and brother to Mesdames J. L. Pratt and J. B. Jolly, of Frankston.

AUSTRALIAN FAUNA PARKS DROMANA PROJECT SPECIAL SECTION FOR KOALAS Living Under Natural Conditions
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 14 August 1933 p 10 Article.
(1000 ACRES,PT NEPEAN RD, BULLDOG, TUBBARUBBA AND MOSQUITO CREEKS, ETC.)

TO BE RESUMED WHEN JOURNALS ABOUT DROMANA AND ROSEBUD HERITAGE WALKS,MEMORIES OF RED HILL POST 1940 AND VIN JERVIS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

Douglas Picking,his wife Beatrice and, presumably, his second wife, were buried at the Mornington cemetery.
1247 PICKING Douglas Robert 6/7/1971 72 Drom
1247 PICKING Beartice DeCardi 5/6/1956 56 nee Phillips*, Morn
3145 PICKING Lily b1908 d1996 Nee Moses

*WEDDING BELLS.
PICKING-PHILLIPS.
The wedding of Mr. Douglas Picking, son of Mr. and Mrs. R. T. Picking, of Long Island, Frankston, and brother to Mesdames J. L. Pratt and J. B. Jolly, of Frankston, and Miss Beatrice Phillips, daughter of the Rev. and Mrs W. A. Phillips, of Glenhuntly, took place recently at St.Agnes' Church, Glenhuntly. Canon Langley officiated. The bride was frocked in ivory satin with beaded georgette, side panels, and carried a pink and white bouquet. Mrs. Picking, senr., was attired in nigger* brown velour, and Mrs. Phillips, sen.wore blade charmeuse. (P.2,Frankston and Somerville Standard, 18-10-1922.)
*No journalist would dare write that apt description of colour today!

PICKING.-On June 5, at Mornington, Beatrice De Cardi Picking,darling wife of Douglas Picking,Fauna Parks, Dromana, aged 56 years. -Those glorious years we had together, dearest. You know I will always love you sweetheart mine. (Doug.)
PICKING.-On June 5. at Mornington, Beatrice De Cardi Picking, the devoted wife, a brave and loving mother of Robert, Douglas(U.S.A.), Bruce, Marianne (Mrs.J. Cameron-Begg), and Warwick,mother-in-law of Molly and Cam,
grandmother of John, Lynette,Juanita, Ann, Jeanie (U.S.A.) and Warwick.
PICKING.-On June 5, at Mornington, Beatrice de Cardi Picking, loved mother of Bruce and Val.
(P.12, Argus,6-6-1956.)

Mr Robert T. Picking
Mr Robert Thomas Picking, who died at Frankston on Friday last, was on the staff of Lamson, Paragon Ltd for about 40 years. He retired about 12 years ago. Mr Picking, who was in his 84th year, is survived by a son, Mr Douglas Picking, of Dromana, and two daughters, Mrs J. L.Pratt and Mrs J. B Jolly, of Frankston.
(P.6, Argus, 18-2-1947.)

Mr Douglas Picking, now residing at Dromana, still has at heart the success of the Frankston New Year's Day sports, hence Portsea, Rosebud,Dromana and Mornington are displaying widely the programmes in connection with Frankston's big New Year's Gala Day.

Mr. R.T. Picking has posted New Year's Day sports programmes in business windows in many towns of the State, from the seaside town of Queenscliff to far distant Mildura, and this effort on behalf of the well known traveller serves to at least advertise Frankston in the inland towns of the State.
(P.3, Frankston and Somerville Standard,30-11-1923.)


Doug's son flew the coop. Does the Dromana R.S.L.Branch know about Robert and Doug junior.
PICKING-DWYER. âOn October 23, at St.Andrew's Church of England, Summer Hill, Sydney, by Archdeacon Bidwell, Amelia Mary, only daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. J. T. Dwyer, of Dulwich Hill and Tamworth, to Robert William Leith Picking (R.A.A.F. returned), eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. Douglas Picking, of Fauna Parks, Dromana, Victoria.(P.2,Argus, 20-11-1943.)

Water birds, such as young Doug, were also involved in aviculture! Both Robert and Doug Junior had Leith as a given name so I suspect this was the maiden name of R.T.'s wife.
GOOD NEWS FOR DROMANA FAMILY
Mr. and Mrs. Douglas Picking were the recipients of good news this week,when a letter was received from their
son, Douglas, from New-York. Almost in the same mail, they received a letter from a lady in East Africa, who had entertained Douglas whilst his boat was in port there. Doug. is in the Merchant Navy, and his parents had not heard from him for two years. His brother, Bob, who is in the RAAF, and has seen active service, is at present in Dromana with his young wife.(P.4 Standard,Frankston,16-3-1944.)

DOUGLAS LEITH PICKING AND HIS OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOGS,AMONG THE SPRING FLOWERS AT GLENKINDIE. DROMANA (V.)
(P.23,The Australasian, 8-10-1932.)
N.B. It was the boy's father's success (retold 100 years later in the Southern Peninsula News) with his old English sheepdog, Frankston Lorna Doone,that led to this journal.

Val,one of the article I found last night was a photo of several Mornington Shire councillors at the fauna park
with Mr Kirton. That's what I've been looking for.(Picking, Dromana search on trove.)I'd better get back to my Memories of Red Hill journal or I'll be lynched.


Val Wilson, whose fabulous research into the pioneers buried in this cemetery can be found on the website below, has been informed about the Douglas Picking story in an email containing the part in italics above.
Pioneer Graves in the Mornington Cemetery
www.morningtoncemetery.com/
Here Mrs Valerie Wilson of Mornington & District Historical Society, documents the known details of a selection of pioneers and early settlers now resting in the ...

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CORRECTION: WILL WILL ROOK CEMETERY (MELWAY 7 B9), VIC., AUST. (BOOK LAUNCH, BURIAL LISTINGS IN COMMENTS.)

I can't blame Andrew Lemon's BROADMEADOWS A FORGOTTEN HISTORY for my boo boo. Andrew gave me no grounds for assuming that there were no denominational sections at the Will Will Rook Cemetery. He may have given me that impression with his emphasis on the prominence of Scots in the area, such as John Kingshott's appointment to the Broadmeadows (Westmeadows)school committee so it wouldn't consist entirely of Presbyterians. Somewhere,probably in Sue O'Callaghan's BROADMEADOWS HISTORY KIT (which I read in 1988 in the Gladstone Park High School library),it was mentioned what a turn-around it was for the Will Will Rook Cemetery when Kerrsland became the St Joseph's Foundling Home,the resting place of Presbyterians becoming the final abode of infant Catholics (or words to that effect.)

However the main reason for my assumption was the burial of many Broadmeadows Catholics at Bulla and Keilor cemeteries,such as butcher, Bob Cargill's son at Bulla after he was accidentally shot by young Graco.

The following comes from Beryl Patullo, whom I have never met though we have been history colleagues for over a quarter of a century. She is one of the dedicated FRIENDS OF WILL WILL ROOK CEMETERY, along with another colleague of similar vintage, Elaine Brogan, secretary of the Essendon Historical Society for many years.

Hi XXX, been reading your article on Mickleham. Your comment regarding no designation in the cemetery.
Originally it was 10 acres: 2 acres Presbry, 2 acres C of E, 2 Acres RC, 1acre Wesleyan, 1 Independent & 2 acres other denominations..... It was cut back later to 4 acres in total. which was because there was no one buried on the side closest to the creek the area which is now the parkland. from the existing Headstones in the cemetery to the creek. . We are able to pick where the designated areas are because of the headstones or known graves exist.There are some Darmody children buried in the cemetery, but the parents are in Keilor.
regards Beryl.


Thanks for that Beryl!

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A LOT OF BULL ABOUT GLENROY? (MELBOURNE, VICTORIA,AUSTRALIA.)

I HAD A DREAM! It was an obituary of a member of the Corrigan family and mentioned the Lavars and Corrigans being early settlers on Donald Kennedy's Dundonald Estate,followed by my great grandfather,John Cock, a clever piece of writing by my subconscious,but as I stated only a dream. However,the dream got me started on a Corrigan investigation. One obituary that actually did exist was that of (James Joseph?)Corrigan who was born in 1858 at Greenvale*,educated at the Broadmeadows School and Carlton College and worked in the Education Department, eventually retiring to N.S.W. where he died.
*This was possibly on Dundonald, Gellibrand Hill being partly in the parish of Yuroke, with Swain St indicating the boundary; the Corrigans, who left Adelaide in 1854,may also have been on the Machell brothers' subdivision of 2C, Yuroke. The part of Yuroke near today's Somerton Rd was known as Greenvale from 1869 when school 890 was opened on the Section Rd corner and named after John McKerchar's farm across the (future) road.

Realising that I'd probably written plenty about the Corrigans in my DUNDONALD ESTATE journal, I decided I'd check on Andrew Lemon's claim that Donald and Duncan Kennedy had acquired the Glenroy and Dundonald estates in the mid 1840's.

PARDON THE UNCORRECTED DIGITISATION AND COLUMN LENGTH LINES. I REALLY HAVE TO GET GOING RE THE RED HILL REUNION WHICH IS NEXT SUNDAY BUT I THOUGHT THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION SHOULD APPEAR IN A SEPARATE JOURNAL.

I have always harboured a suspicion that Donald Kennedy was somehow related to the Camerons of "Glenroy". The Camerons have been said about a million times to have so-named their RUN. Andrew Lemon (BROADMEADOWS A FORGOTTEN HISTORY) states that the Glenroy Estate (bounded by the Moonee Ponds Creek, Campbellfield (Camp) Rd, a line indicatedby the eastern boundary of the Northern Golf Club, and Rhodes Pde, was leased by the Camerons from speculators, Hughes and Hosking, from whom the Kennedys bought it in the mid 1840's. Hughes and Hosking had bought the Glenroy Estate in Sydney on 12-9-1838 so if the Camerons did have a run before the purchase it would not have been for very long.

I suspect that Donald and Duncan Kennedy's mother may have been a Cameron*. I wonder if Donald Kennedy or the Camerons actually CLAIMED to have given Glenroy its name or that others, aware of a link that they had with Glenroy (Invernessshire?), just assumed that they had. This obituary is the only trove correction made by the person who corrected the digitisation.

*ANOTHER GOOD GUESS.
Kennedy, Donald Angus

Born 1807 (Glenroy, Lochaber, Inverness-shire.)
Died 29 February 1864. (Melbourne)
Parents: Angus, farmer, and Grace, nee Cameron.
Marriage: Jessie Grace Shannon; no children
Occupation: Pastoralist
Religion: Presbyterian
(Kennedy, Donald Angus - Parliament of Victoria - Re-Member
www.parliament.vic.gov.au ⺠About Parliament ⺠People in Parliament)


I am not saying that claims about the Camerons naming Glenroy are "A LOT OF BULL", although that was my first reaction when I read Donald Kennedy's obituary. However, it is only right that Donald Kennedy should at least be mentioned in relation to the origin of the suburb's name.

THE LATE MR. DONALD KENNEDY.
The community should not readily let slip
the memory of the man whose remains the
grave this day receives. We have among us
too few of the stamp of Donald Kennedy to
be entitled to pass over his death with a scant
word of comment or regret. It is a custom
conceived in a spirit of justice, that when
men die who have done their generation good
service, their obituary should not be ranked
with that of the multitude who have left the
world no better for their existence than they
found it. We are too young as a com-
munity to have acquired the material
for a pantheon ; public life is too quick
and changeful among us, and public charac-
ters shift to and fro too fleetingly on the
stage, for the public writer to catch the
lineaments of the actors, and stereotype them
for the contemplation of posterity. But
though there is no room as yet for a national
Plutarch, though it may be premature to keep
a registry of our heroes, we regard it as
the duty of those who are responsible for the
cultivation of the public mind, to call atten-
tion to events that point a moral for our
everyday life. The recognition of worth and
merit is not limited by chronology. The
death of its social benefactors has always its
lesson for society. A superficial glance at
the records of Mr. Donald Kennedy's career
would probably fail to detect any of that
noisy prominence which is the presumptive
evidence of social and political vitality
amongst us, but those who looked beneath the
unostentatious demeanour have found a
solidity and a sterlingness and a conscien-
tiousness of character that the possession of a
Parliamentary tongue does not necessarily
guarantee. No man in his generation has
used his influence with more sobriety and
moderation, or been less ostentatious of his
power, yet every one who is conversant with
our history can own to occasions when no
man's power and influence have been
more felt, in the form of a timely hint,
a wise suggestion, or a quick-witted cau-
tion. His active career as a public
man really commenced in 1853, when
be contested the representation of North
Bourke with the late Mr. Burnley. There
is some archaeological curiosity attached to
the history of the transaction. His address
to the electors had been issued while he was
in Sydney, but the effect of his personal can-
didature had been to secure him a very flat-
tering majority. It so happened, however,
that under the crude and unwholesome elec-
toral system of those days, no provision had
been made for taking the poll at Bacchus
Marsh. A Government Gazette Extraordinary
remedied the oversight by appointing a
subsequent day for voting, but the re-
sult was that the election was reversed,
and Mr. Kennedy was sacrificed to
the blunder of a returning officer. He was,
however, afterwards nominated to a seat in
the Council by the Governor, some twelve or
eighteen months before the publication of the
new Constitution, and continued a member
of that body till its dissolution. He was elected
in 1856 for the Southern Province. Though
he died a member of the Upper Chamber, his
name may not be familiar to those who look
only to Hansard for the measure of a public
man's success. The turbulent arena of debate
was not the scene of his activity. His intel-
lect, a not unmasculine one, was in every
way equal to the occasion, but a more than
ordinary graceful diffidence of disposition dis-
inclined him for demonstration. But that he
did not shrink from the responsibilities of a
public station is shown by the fact that he was
a commissioner of the savings banks, deputy
governor of the Colonial Bank (of which he was
one of the projectors), a director of the North-
ern Insurance Company, a member of the
Managing Committee of the Model Farm, and
for many years president of the Port Philip
Farmers' Society. The story of his private life is
soon told. He was a native of Glenroy, Lochaber,
Inverness-shire, son of Mr. Kennedy, of
Leinachar, and he had paced some thirty
years in Sydney and Victoria, when disease
of the heart suddenly closed his career on
Monday evening. He has left a widow, a
daughter of the late Captain Shannon, but
no family, to inherit the large property or
the Moonee Ponds, which he has named
after his native valley
. His good name is an
inheritance that belongs to the state, not
very rich, unfortunately, in such bequests. In
every capacity of his career, he is entitled to
honourable mention in the death-list of its
citizens. His circle of friends was a wide
one, for his large heart was never closed to
the appeal of the most transient friendship
while his tenants and underlings will have
to regret the loss of a kind and considerate
landlord. He will, we believe, be buried from
the house of Dr. Motherwell, in Collins street,
at four o'clock p.m. this day, and we may
expect that the esteem and affection which
he won for himself throughout life will be
reflected in the respectful interest that will
be testified at the last office which can be
done for worth and merit, however rare.
(P.5, Argus,2-3-1864.



RIVALRY.
The Melbourne, Sydney rivalry exists still today with the convict city trying to pinch the grand prix. The Holden,Ford rivalry results in great numbers of Australian men ,donning red or blue to indicate their tribal loyalty,especially when Bathurst draws nigh,a tradition likely to end because of free trade.

Another rivalry,just as intense, existed between Shorthorn breeders. There were two strains: Booth and Bates. Robert McDougall was a supporter of the Booth Strain and even named his Oaklands Rd property (Melway 384 J8)
after Major Booth's shorthorn stud in the old country. Robert is mentioned in the following article but the writer failed to mention that Robert had started breeding his prized Booth herd in the 1850's on "Cona",part of the Glenroy Estate, before leasing Aitken's Estate between today's Essendon and Avondale Heights. He moved onto Arundel circa 1870 after his (unfortunately fenestrated) mansion was built.

Harry Peck mentioned that Henry Stephenson of "Niddrie" (west of Treadwell St corner and north to Fraser St in Airport West)was a Bates supporter (just like William McCulloch,below) and that the Booth/Baines rivalry was so great that Henry and his neighbour, Robert McDougall, refused to speak to each other. Stephenson and McDougall (of Niddrie and Arundel respectively) did not actually live next door to each other, those properties being miles apart, but had adjoining land on section 23 Doutta Galla. Stephenson's 300 acre portion being near Strathmore Heights and McDougall's near Strathmore North. McDougall would have often seen his eastern 200 acres
decades earlier while travelling between Melbourne and Cona along the old Sydney road.

Thus one of the reasons for "A LOT OF BULL" in the title of this journal.


The Glenroy Herd.
By Demetrius.
In travelling by the overland route from Sydney to Mel
bourne, could one view the Eurrounding country within 10
or a dozen miles of the Southern metropolis, which unfor
tunately the night journey does not admit of, he could not
but admire the evidently rich pastoral country, lightly
timbered and rolling in appearance, dotted here and there
with bright and airv looking homesteads of a better class
description, a district which has long been recognised as
much for its strength as a far nine; and grazing neighbour
hood, as for its close proximity to Melbourne. The overland
railway at this point 'runs throngh some estates of consider
able importance, and again allowing that we have tho
advantage ot daylight, the leading residences can be readily
recognised. Away to tho right, and nestling prettily on a
hill side is Mre-. Donald Kennedy's, Dundonald House ; a
mile or two down in the valley and the housetops of Broad
meadows village is seen, while a few miles further to the
westward and Mr. Robert M'Dougall's Arundcl estate is
observed, in turn arc viewel the Glenrcy homestead close by
the railway line, and with Mr. Robertson's Aberfeldie Park,
the last estate is swiftly passed prior to entering the suburbs
of Melbourne.
Much could be said about the pretty farming neighbour
hood did space but permit, and on this occasion I mu6t
content myself in the description of an estate, which will
unquestionably be of great interest to most of my readers
throughout this colony. Glenroy has been long noted as a
grazing property considerably above the average, but since
its occupation by the Hon. Williain M'Culloch,' a gentle
man who has within late years entered extensively into
importing and breeding a high description of shorthorn
pedigree stock, it lias greatly come into notice with the
cattle broodei'B of this and tlie neighbouring colonies.
Having received an invitation from Mr. M'Culloch during
the recent Victorian National Agricultural Society's Show,
to have a look at the Glenroy herd, 1 gladly accepted, inas
much as this estitc is one of the most celebrated of its class
within easy distance of Melbourne. Glenroy is situated
within a mile of tbe Broadtneadows railway stationâ and
comprises uu extent of 730 acres. Since its purchase by the
present owner, no expense has been spared in improvements,
all of which are noticed to be of a convenient and service
able description. The soil comprises a strong white clay
for the most part, showing in places some rich chocolate
patches, both varieties of which are highly suited for the grass
pasturage on which in a great measure the working of the
estate depends.
In adopting the breed of high class pedigree cattle as a
speciality at Glenroy, Mr. M'Culloch, evidently with the
experience of former years, acted on correct principles in
visiting England to secure the very best description of
cattle that could be procured in the mother country, and the
success attending his trip is only too generally known. ' 1
spent fully two years,' remarks Mr. M'Culloch, ' in a
critical examination of the leading herds, and in attending
every shorthorn sale of importance before I made those
selections which now form the Glenroy herd.' The result
of his observation ultimately turned in favour of the Bates'
strain, and although the venture has proved a costly one,
selections from the most valuable of the Eirklivington
tribes were decided on. Ambitious to found such a herd in
his ' adopted country ' as should rival the leading herds of
England and America Mr. M'Culloch spared neither time,
labour, nor expense in getting together his present fine herd,
and after the leading purchases had been completed it was
pleasing to know that the most experienced and impartial
judges had pronounced the dictum, that, in the possession
both of high lineage and personal merit, the collection is
one which takes the highest rank in any country. A visit
to Glenroy is most interesting throughout. In the first
place everything is conducive to pleasantry. Mr. M'Culloch
as a host has few if any equals, while the homestead
appointments are so complete that no difficulty or unusual
effort is incurred in viewing the stock, ranging from the
magnificently bred bull â Duke of Underley 5thâ down to
the smallest and moat helpless heifer calf. Fhe cattle sheds
are of the most replete description, brick-built, well lighted,
high in the walls and having asphalted floor. Thev
contain 27 loose boxes for young bulls, besides two boxes
attached to the stud bull paddocks for the use of Duke of
Underley 5th and Duke of Oxford 31st. There are also
24 stalls used for shorthorn cows that are milking, but all
cattle are turned out at night, summer and winter, except
young bulls and newly calved cows.
Our steps were first directed to these sheds where very
hoice looking young bolls ranging from yearlings down
wards were on view. They are principallv the progeny of
the two Sires Duke of Underley 5th and Duke of Oxford
31st, out of the leading imported cows belonging to the
herd. It would be preposterous to attempt to particularise
the appearance of some eight of these perfect little noble
men ranging between the ages of six months and 12
months' old â suffice to say that in point of lines and
general appearance the greater number of them show pro
mise of becoming in the future the most famous exhibition
cattle of the colony. In keeping with the rule adopted by
the most celebrated breeders in England Mr. M'Culloch
does not exhibit his stock at the various agricultural
society's shows, inasmuch as to prepare the cattle for show
purposes is considered by many to be detrimental to the
general welfare of the herd. This derision, however, has
not prevented purchases from the Glen-oy herd being
placed on exhibition, and bulls bred by 'Mr. William
M'Culloch have secured many high honours in the principal
show yards of the leading agricultural societies of Victoria.
Such purchases have not been confined to 'Victoria alone,
but have secured prizes in Queensland and New Zealand,
and even during the late metropolitan exhibition in this colony
contributed the champion bull, in Mr. A. A. Dangar's Hill
hurst, 6th Duke, a bull which likewise took principal
honours in the leading Northern shows of this colony.
In the»Glenroy herd, considering that the very best
shorthorn strains arc in use, it is not at all surprising that
Mr. M'Culloch should, in selling young bulls obtain some
of the highest ruling prices. The herd is so favourably
known that a minimum price per head is fixed by the
breeder, and even beyond this pome very large prices are
obtained. Nor yet are the heifer calves in point of merit
less important. We were shown some dozen or so perfect
little gems under five months old, as also about an equal
number of bull calves of similar age.
Having looked at the youngsters, the aristocratic bred
bull Duke of Underley 5th was walked out for inspection.
Calved in'October, 1878, he was bred by the Earl of Bective,
and was secured at great cost for the Glenroy herd. He is
of a yellowish white colour, and shows a majestic appear
ance, uniting the grandeur of his distinguished parents.
He is a well-tempered, full-eyed bull, with rich hair and
quality of flesh, and when properly viewed is seen to carry
an imposing frame, and to use a cattle fancier's phrase,
' covers plenty of ground.' Hi; is not only a fashionably
but a soundly bred animal, and as a number of his stock arc
I being procured for this and the adjoining colonies I give his
pedigree as follows : â
Sire Grand Duke 31ft 3837-1, 11. E. Oliver; dam, Duchess
of Lancaster, by 2nd Duke of Treirunter 20022, Colonel
Guntcr; 2 dam,' 10th Duchess of Gi-ncva, by 2nd Duke
of Geneva 23752, J. O. Sheldon ; 3 dam, 5th Duchess
of Geneva, by Grand Duke of Oxford 1G184, Colonel
Gunter; i dam,' Dueliuss of Geneva, by Grand Duke 2nd 121)61,
8. E. BoWen ; 5 dam, Duchess 71st, by Duke of Glo'ster 11382,
Karl Ducie ; 6 dam, Ducuess CGth, by '4th Duke of York 10107,
T. Bates ; 7 dam, Duchess 55th, by 4th Duke of Northumberland
3G19, T. Bates; 8 dain, Duchess 38th. by Norfolk 2377, J.
Wnitaker; 9 dam, Duchess 33rd, by Belvedere 170G, J. Ste
phenson; 10 dam, Duchess 19th, by Second Ilubbak 1423, T.
Bates ; 11 dam, Duchess 12th, by The Earl G4G, T. Bates ; 12 dam,
Duchess 4th, by Ketton 2nd 710, T. Bates ; 13 dam, Duchess 1st,
by Comet 155, C. Colling; 14 dam, by Favourite 252, C. Coiling j
15 dam, by Daisy Bull 186, C. Colling ; 16 dam, by Favourite
252, C. Colling ; 17 dam, by Hubbuck 310, J. Hunter; 18 dam,
by J. Brown's Red Bull 97, J. Thompson.
His dam, Duchess of Lancaster, said to be a very thick
massive cow of beautiful symmetry, is one of the purest
representatives of the Duchess tribe in existence. Tenth
Duchess of Geneva, a very grand cow, and her daughter,
Eighth Duchess of Oneida, were purchased for the Earl of
Bective, at the great New York Mills 6ale in 1873, the
former for 7000 guineas and the latter for 3060 guineas, at
which sale this line of blood was in great demand, 15
Duchesses and Dukes realising the enormous suji of
£55,198 10s., or an average of £3679 18s. Tenth Duchess
of Geneva is the dam of the famous Duke of Underley
33745, who is said to have earned in fees upwards ot £4000.
Her daughter, Eighth Duchess of Oneida, was the dam of
Duke of Underley 2nd 36551, sold to Sir C. M. Lampson,
Bart., for 1750 guineas, and of Duke of Underley 3rd
38196, purchased by the Duke of Manchester, when a calf,
for 3000 guineas.
Another stud bull showing aristocratic lineage was shown
us in Duke of Oxford 31st -33713), calved in July 26, 1874,
and bred by bis Grace the Duke of Devonshire. He is a
rich roan, showing splendid proportions throughout. His
head, which is particularly neat, is supported by a propor
tionate neck. He displays a great depth of fore arm, while
the back, flank, and loins are far from being faulty. He
shows a further perfection in his deep and heavy quarters
and well-fleshed locks. Duke of Oxford 31st is by Sir
Baroa Oxford 4th, dam Grand Duchess of Oxford 11th,
g. dam Duchess of Oxford 5th, g. g. dam Countess of
Oxford, g. g. g. dam Oxford 15th, sire 4th Duke of York
10167, bred by T. Bates. 'Ibis well-known Duke of
Oxford 3l6tis the sire of several prize-taking animals exhi
bited at 6ome of the leading provincial shows in England.
Wild Oxonian, winner of a prize at the show of the Royal
Agricultural Society of Englandat Bristol,in 1878, wasby him,
and at the dispersion of the Shotley Hall herd in September,
1878, his stock were very striking and much admired. He is
descended from a very favourite strain of the Holker
Oxfords, which have gained such renown. His dam, Grand
Duchess of Oxford 1 lth, was sold at the Holker sale in
1874 to Mr. George Moore, of Whitehall, Cumberland, at
whose sale, in 1875, she realised in her ninth year 2000
guineas ; her heifer calf, not three months old, sold at the
same sale for 1000 guineas.
In turn we inspected the third stud bull of the herd,
Grand Duke of Oxford 3rd, by Duke of Oxford 31st
33713, from Grand Ducuess of Oxford 22nd, a cow for
which Mr. Wni. M'Culloch paid 20GO guineas at the Duke
of Devonshire's 6ale. By referring to the respective pedigrees
it wiil be seen that the sire and dam of this noticeable bull
are very closely related, and that he is further a direct descend
ant of the famous Holker Oxfords, which have of late years
commanded such attention throughout the whole of England.
There are about 40 breeding cows attached to the Glenroy
herd, all thoroughly representative of the leading Shorthorn
herds of England and America, iivery one is a selected
animal, and they comprise the bulk of the stock on which Mr.
M'Culloch spent £30,000, with the ambition to form the
premier Shorthorn herd of Australasia. How well he has
succeeded is only too generally known. The five leading
tribes which Mr. Bates possessed up to the time of his death,
all have place at Glenroy. The Waterloo and VVild Eyes,
no less than the Oxford, form important sections ; and the
American Red Roses, which are equally represented, are
identically of the same stock as the Cambridge Roses. In
turn, we viewed representatives of the Oxford, Wild Eye?,
Kirklevington, Barrington, American Roses, Gazelle, and
other tribes, each one showing quite as perfect and as sym
metrical an appearance as her neighbour. To enumerate
the appearance of these animals would be a labour indeed ;
but, in order to show the excellence of the females and to
show that Mr. M'Culloch exercised considerable judgment
in his selection, a few of the cows will be referred to. In
the first place we will refer to the 2000 and odd guineas
cow, Grand Duchess of Oxford 22nd. As a breeder she has
proved highly successful, and, although now 10 years of
age, shows no deterioration in flesh or general appearance as
compared with her younger companions. She is roan in
colour, of a large heavy frame, yet withal neat, thick, and
fleshy-looking, and might well prove an ornament, not
taking the price into consideration, to any herd. Another
female, Gazelle 26th, is a very showy animal and has been
truly described as 'a pattern cow.'' She is known to all the
cattle-fanciers of England, and without doubt has made a
mark in the Shorthorn annals of the Antipodes. As a
perfect model of symmetry, showing remarkable breadth of
back, great fore arm, tremendous quarters, with beef to the
very hocks, immense depth of brisket, good, in the neck, and
surmounted with a neat and intelligent looking head, she at
once commends herself to the visitor as one of the most
remarkable cows in the Australian colonies. Her perfect
qualities may be more readily recognised when it is stated
that she is the dam of Mr. A. A. Dangar's champion bull
Hillhurst's 6th Duke, already referred to.
We pass from one to the other, hardly knowing which
cow to fix on for remark, so even are their qualities through
out. However we have not far to go before one of the
famous Kirklevington tribe comes under notice. She is a
well-proportioned roan cow, and has contributed a sire to
one of the strongest herds in the western district of Vic
toria. In Kirklevington Duchess 23rd, Mr. M'Culloch has
one of his best cows. The tribe is lineally descended from
a cow by Mr. Bates's famous Royal prize bull Duke of
Northumberland 1940, and has a very high reputation in
England and America, where specimens of this tribe have
realised high prices. Kirklevington Duchess 5th of this
family, bred by Mr. Davies, was sold privately to Sir
Curtis Lampson, Bart., for the sum of 1050 guineas, and
her daughter sold by auction in 1875 for 750 guineas, for
exportation to America. The heifer calf, Kirklevington
Empress 3rd, exhibited by Lord Fitzhardinge, and winner
of first prizes at the Royal Agricultural and Yorkshire
societies' shows in 1878, was of the '.Siddington branch of
this tribe. Yet another instance, and the long lists of the
females attached to this important herd are not nearly
exhausted. May Rose 8th is a red roan cow, calved in
October 1877, and is of the Red Rose tribe, for some years
one of the leading tribes of Shorthorns in the United States
of America, in the hands of that veteran breeder, Mr.
Abram Heniek, of Kentucky. It springs trom some of Mr.
.Robert Colling's best blood, and in the hands of Mr. Bates
was used for crossing the Duchesses. Rose of Sharon,
bred by Mr. Bates, was exported to America in 1834, and
became the ancestress ot this branch of the tribe. Of late
years, since the reimportation of specimens to England and
Scotland, very high prices have been realised upon the rare
occasions on which they have been offered by public auction.
At the Earl of Dunmore's sale in 1875, only two females
were sold for 1950 and 1280 guineas respectively, and speci
mens of this tribe from the Dunmore herd have won honours
at the Royal Agricultural Society of England, the York
shire Society, and at the Smithfield shows.
In another bright green-looking paddock we view a prime
lot of 16 heiferw, varying in age up to 20 months, all
Glenroy bred, and showing that Mr. M'Culloch is extremely
successful, not only in his choice of breeders, but also in his
method of management. The cattle are not in any way
pampered, which commends the herd to buyers, inasmuch
as youngsters of the choicest strains are purchased at Glen
roy and removed to some of the most trying of Australasian
climates, and when subsequently heard of at any time it is
that they are showing more vigorous health and condition
than when browsing on their native heath.
(The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1871 - 1912) Saturday 9 December 1882 p 1036 Article)

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MORE PROFESSIONALLY INVENTED HISTORY? McNAMARA'S HOTEL NEAR BULLA, VIC., AUST.

Historical Archaeology Survey - VicRoads
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/.../melbourneairportlinkbullahistoricalarch.

The above study took place in the areas where proposed alternate routes for a Bulla Village by-pass were located.

On pages 56-7, is OAKLANDS ROAD PAVING H7822-2308.
As the text cannot be copied and pasted,perhaps because the historians wanted to make it hard for someone like me to point out what wild assumptions were being made, I will have to transcribe what they wrote.

Before I do so, I must point out that most municipalities started their heritage studies about 30 years too late. In about 1990, I was driven around the areas north of Tullamarine by Syd Lloyd and Bob Blackwell to whom Syd introduced me. Syd and his brothers,including George who wrote MICKLEHAM ROAD 1920 TO 1952, were carriers who drove all around the Broadmeadows shire and Bob knew the Bulla and Greenvale areas like the back of his hand.

Bob showed me a brick, domed, well cover that was built for Felix Fitzgerald by his maternal grandfather, William Bedford, who also built the swing bridge over Deep Creek at the end of School Lane near the state school.

THE STUDY STATES:
4.4 OAKLANDS ROAD PAVING.
An area of brick paving is located beneath a boxthorn bush at the south west corner of the junction between
Oaklands and Somerton Rds 2.7 km north east of Bulla Village. As well as the hand- made brick paving there is a small number of glass and ceramic sherds in the vicinity. This is a probable residence or hotel of the late 19th/ early 20th Century,perhaps McNamara's Hotel. ......

4.5. CAMPBELL'S COTTAGE (No problems with this.Duncan Cambell was granted 9 acres nearly opposite the Hume and Hovell cairn and immediately north of Felix Fitzgerald's grant where Bob Blackwell showed me the dome covered well that his maternal grandfather had built.

4.6.OAKLANDS ROAD CISTERN.
A brick,domed cistern or well with cement rendering is situated in a field to the direct west of Oaklands Road 0.4 km south of Somerton Rd......and immediately north of the old Oaklands Rd bridge....Though the site cannot be identified with certainty,Moloney and Johnson (1998b)note "an underground well/tank,perhaps part of McNamara's Hotel" in a similar position.


After 25 years, I can't remember whether the well that William Bedford built for Felix Fitzgerald was on the 8 acres granted to Felix directly opposite the Hume and Hovell monument. But if there were any more domed wells remaining,I'm sure he would have given me the story behind all of them. It would have been good if the historic sites had been plotted on a map of section 1 showing the subdivision boundaries.


Previously in the study,it is claimed that McNamara's Hotel was at the south west corner of Oaklands and Somerton Rds. I checked my Bulla Bulla map and found that J.McNamara was indeed granted 10.5 acres at this very corner, the north east corner of the former town common. I thought it was amazing that I had never heard of such a hotel. Despite hours of searching, I found no connection between McNamara and Bulla or Oaklands Junction but this. My search included reports of Oaklands Hunt Club rides and not once was the Oaklands Hotel mentioned.

HUNTâM'NAMARA. âOn the 17th inst.,at St. Patrick's Cathedral, Melbourne, by the Rev. P. Aylward, John Hunt, late of Oaklands Hotel, Bulla, to Mrs.M'Namara, Junction Hotel, Redesdale.(P.1, Argus, 23-3-1876.)

John's former wife had not been long dead and the same name was given to the hotel.

HUNT.âOn the 14th June at Oakland's Hotel,Bulla, of abscess of the lungs, Anastasia, the beloved wife of John Hunt, aged 34 years. R.I.P. MELBOURNE, SATURDAY, JUNE 26, 1875.
(P.11, Advocate,Melbourne, 26-6-1875.)

FOR SALE or TO LET, HUNT'S
Oaklands Hotel, Bulla, with 70 acres of land
Apply on the premised, to J. Hunt. (P.11, Advocate, 8-1-1876.)
The Oaklands Hotel was described as being 16 miles from Melbourne in the advertisement on page 8 of the Argus of 21-12-1875.

Now,it's possible that Mrs McNamara was a partner in the Oaklands Hotel and that her children were serving drinks there so that locals called the pub McNamara's hotel. But where was it? Was the hotel and land owned or leased by John Hunt? Was the Oaklands Hotel Dean's Hotel or the Inverness Hotel?

I checked pages D 27-30 of my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND and found that in 1868,John Dean, farmer, and William James Dean,butcher, were residents of Bulla and in 1871, William James Dean was running the Inverness Hotel. The oldest available assessment when I made my transcriptions was that of 1882-3.
No acreages were given but the following was recorded:
William J.Dean, 2 land blocks N.A.V.6 pounds and hotel N.A.V. 50 pounds; John, Joseph and William Jnr Dean N.A.V.20,1 and 5 pounds; John Dean Jnr N.A.V. 3 pounds,all of these being in the Main Deep Creek Rd subdivision; and Thomas J.Dean N.A.V. 32 pounds in the Oaklands and Green Gully Subdivision.

The Main Deep Creek Road Subdivision was section 1,the old town common between Oaklands Rd and Wildwood Rd. The Oaklands and Green Gully subdivision was section 3 north of Woodlands. It is possible that the aforementioned John Hunt was related to the Deans via the Standen family.

The 53 acres which John Cosgrave bought from Mary Daniel in 1853 was later owned by Hunt and Standen before it passed to Mrs T.J.Dean of Moonee Ponds,a daughter of Standen.(P.44,BULLA BULLA I.W.Symonds.)

I believe the Oaklands Hotel was Deans Hotel and that it was therefore in the SOUTH WEST CORNER of section 1 (the old town common),not the SOUTH WEST CORNER of Somerton and Oaklands Rd where McNamara's Hotel was claimed to be (on J.McNamara's grant. The 70 acres to be sold with the hotel could have included some of John Cosgrave's purchase between the Daniels' Narbonne and James Musgrove's land (the Ponderosa Zoo when Bob Blackwell showed it to me) which was purchased by the Oaklands Hunt Club for their kennels.

NEXT STEP-WERE DEAN'S HOTEL AND THE INVERNESS SO-NAMED IN 1875-6?

ANOTHER COMPLICATION!
It is possible that the Green Gully Hotel was McNamara's hotel but more likely that it was John Lavars' Greenvale Hotel on the south west corner of Somerton and Mickleham Rds in the parish of Yuroke and the shire of Broadmeadows. Green Gully was near the boundary between the parishes where the Moonee Ponds Creek enters Woodlands at 178 C6. The bridge referred to could have been at this point or at Melway 177J7. If the former, the hotel was probably Lavars' but if the latter, it is near the Oaklands Road Paving site and the supposed McNamara's Hotel.

SHIRE of BULLA-TENDERS for undermentioned WORKS, addressed to the President of the Bulla Shire Council, will be received up till 11 o clock a.m. on Thursday, the 15th day of July, 1875 -
Contract No l8 -Alternative tenders for the construction of a small bridge, either with timber or stone abutments, and about 10 chains of forming road, &c, near Green Gully Hotel,Bulla,(etc.)
(P.3, Argus,14-6-1875.)


I waded through 100 results (of 158 in a trove search for GREEN GULLY HOTEL and the only times this name was found occurred in the same advertisement in different issues. Green Gully was a natural feature and was Bullaese for "to the east". The part of Yuroke east of Green Gully had been named Greenvale in 1869 when school 890, nearSction Rd, was given the name of John McKerchar's farm,"Greenvale".

About that time,perhaps in 1871, John Lavars and John McKerchar donated land for what we know as Somerton Rd (for which no land had been reserved) and this caused quarrels between the two shires about the construction of a bridge at Green Gully. (GREENVALE LINKS WITH THE PAST, Annette Davis/Ferguson.)

I think the above proves conclusively that the bridge was at Green Gully and that the so-called Green Gully Hotel was actually the Greenvale Hotel (which already bore that name in 1875.)

So were Dean's Hotel and the Inverness Hotel mentioned in 1875?

Contract No. 4-76-8 chains of roadmaking near Dean's Hotel, Craig bank road*
Contract No. 6-76-12 chains of roadmaklng on Craig bank road, near bridge and Mr D.Patullo's
(P.3,Argus, 13-1-1875.)

*Dean's Hotel was on the east corner of Bulla and Wildwood Rds. The latter was called Craigbank road because it led to David Patullo's Craigbank but was later renamed Wildwood Rd after the McAuliffes' farm farther north.

There was only one mention in 1875 of the Inverness Hotel and that was in the city. How far from Melbourne was the Inverness Hotel?
Two Arrests by Police Patrol,
Called from Fairfield shortly after 1 o'clock yesterday morning the police patrol under Senior-constable Hunt arrested two men in connection with an attack on two guests and the licensee of the Inverness Hotel, about 15 miles from Melbourne, on the Bulla road. (P.16, Argus, 25-6-1928.)

This is part of an advertisement for the sale of the Glenara Estate and I presume it refers to Glenara itself.
The property has several miles of frontage to the Deep Creek, near Bulla Bulla, and is only 16 miles
from Melbourne.
(P.3, Argus, 16-4-1874.)

The Oaklands Hotel was said to be 16 miles from Melbourne. My measurements on Melway from the 10 mile post (outside Sam Parr's The Elms at Tullamarine) indicate that the police report of the Inverness Hotel being about 15 miles from Melbourne is fairly spot-on. Dean's Hotel at the east corner of Wildwood Rd is almost another mile away, while the supposed site of McNamara's Hotel at the south west corner of Oaklands and Somerton Rds would be an extra 1.25 miles. The Oaklands Hotel could have been either Dean's or the Inverness.

I have found no evidence that there was ever a McNamara's Hotel at Bulla/ Oaklands Junction. John Hunt's Oaklands Hotel seems more likely to be the Inverness Hotel because it was situated at the junction of the Deep Creek and Oaklands Rds (Melway 177 H11, near Perimeter Rd.) However Dean's Hotel was about 16 miles from Melbourne. Whichever was the Oaklands,it is doubtful that Hunt owned the hotel. Walter Clark owned the Inverness and associated(58?) acres,having bought all of Alexander Kennedy's section 17 Tullamarine in about 1856.Dean's hotel was so named in early 1875 and W.J.Dean who'd been running the Inverness in 1871,bought the 23 acre crown allotment 22 of section 1 on 19-3-1870 and was rated on the hotel and two blocks in 1882-3.
John Hunt would have sold only stock,furniture and what they call goodwill in regards to the hotel. The 70 acres that he was selling could have been his own land not necessarily adjoining the hotel.

I will be delighted if somebody comes up with proof that there was a McNamara's Hotel at the south west corner of Oaklands and Somerton Rds. How about it Moloney and Johnson (1998);if you have proof of McNamara's Hotel which I've never seen mentioned by anybody else,even Isaac Batey,let's have it!

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A CORRECTION : I MAY HAVE CALLED HIM SAM BUT HE WAS STUART PALMER CALDER (DROMANA,VIC, AUST.)

A CORRECTION.
My memory is fairly good but it's telling me now that at some stage, I might have called William Calder's son,who designed the Shire of Flinders offices at Dromana, Sam. If this is true,it was due to confusion with Sam Loxton who lived across McIlroys Rd from Four Winds and sought the refuge of his Red Hill farm following Trevor Chappell's infamous underarm final ball in a one day match against the Kiwis.

In 1919 William Calder of Armadale was assessed on 591 acres (crown allotments 18A,part 17A, Kangerong)which doesn't make sense so my transcription probably resulted from a guess at what the scribble meant and he was probably rated on 91 acres, which must have included 31 acres of the 77 acre 17A, Four Winds at the south corner of White Hill and McIlroys Rds consisting of 59 acres 3 roods 25 perches but always described as 60 acres. S.P.Calder was assessed on 12 acres which would have been part of 18C for which he obtained the grant, apparently in 1928 and would have provided access from Four Winds to 17A.
(Google KANGERONG,PARISH OF MORNINGTON, to see the Kangerong parish map.)

William Calder may have spent much of his leisure time developing the garden at Four Winds but a fair slab of his time was devoted to his role as an indispensable Chairman of the Red Hill Show committee. The report of a committee meeting before the show and shortly after William's death gives much more detail about how great his contribution had been and that (in my words) all hands to the wheel would be required to fill the void.
RED HILL, Wednesday. In spite of the showery weather,there was a good attendance at the seventh annual show. Mr R.H.Holmes,vice-president, referred to the very serious loss which the society had suffered by the death of the president,Mr W.Calder. Mr Downward M.L.A. said that Mr Calder's death was a loss not only to Red
Hill, but to the state. (P.10,Argus,22-3-1928.)



RED HILL PROPERTY SOLD.
Late Mr. W. Calder's Home.
The country homo known as The Four Winds at Red Hill, which was the property of the late Mr. William Calder, chairman of the Country Roads Board, has been purchased by Mr.E.E.Thompson, of Flete avenue Malvern. The house
is modern in design and construction, and has fine grounds, to the improvement of which Mr.Calder devoted much of his leisure time. The sale was made through the agency of Mr George Higgens, of Red Hill.
(P.14, Argus, 25-10-1929.)


William Calder (engineer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Calder_(engineer)

William Calder, (31 July 1860 â 18 February 1928), engineer, was born at Lovell's Flat, Milton near Dunedin, New Zealand, only son of Arthur Calder and his wife Margaret Milne, née Strachan. Calder was educated in New Zealand (Milton local school and the Otago Boys' High School in Dunedin 1876-77), and then attended Otago University. He become a cadet in the Government Survey Department in October 1883 and after five years of practical training, he passed the authorized surveyors' examination with credit in July 1888, and was responsible for much road construction and exploration in the North and South islands of the Dominion.[1][2]


Migration to Australia
In 1888 he came to Victoria and worked in private engineering and surveying firms. In October 1889 he became assistant town surveyor for the City of Footscray, and in July 1890 town engineer. At night he studied to gain certificates as municipal engineer (1890) and engineer of Water supply (1892). From December 1897 to March 1913, Calder was city engineer and building surveyor to the City of Prahran. Among the works he is credited with are the first asphalted carpet-road surface, the first refuse destructor in Australia, and the completion of a major drainage project.[1] By March 1903 he was an associate member of the Institution of Civil Engineers, London, and a member of the Institution of Municipal and County Engineers of Great Britain.[3]

Country Roads Board[edit]
Calder made the greatest impact as the first Chairman for the Country Roads Board (CRB) from 1913 to 1928. Among his first tasks was to undertake an exhaustive inspection of the road system, which had been neglected by the responsible municipalities and state government since the building of the railways. Calder was known as a meticulous note-taker and enthusiastic photographer, and his notes recording the board's progress were transcribed and used as a basic reference for many years. Despite, shortages of money and manpower for road-building as a consequence of the Great War, Calder campaigned successfully for more funds, especially for arterial roads, both publicly and privately.[1]

He toured Europe and North America in 1924 examining road-construction practice and road-administration and reported extensively on matters such as the controversy on the American concrete pavement techniques versus British asphalt.[1] His report, published that year, is widely regarded as a classic of road-construction practice and road-administration.[4]

Legacy
Many of Calder's recommendations were included in the important Highways and Vehicles Act of 1924,[5] which provided for the declaration of State highways, two-thirds financed by the State government through the C.R.B. This network of highways is perhaps Calder's main achievement: the Calder Highway, the road to Bendigo and Mildura was named after him. The Country roads Board's system of organization was copied in other States, New Zealand and Fiji. Calder was a strong advocated for Federal assistance in highway construction, and attended the first meeting of the Federal Aid Roads Board set up under the Act of 1926.[1]

Personal life
Calder had married Elizabeth Bagley Palmer of Dunedin on 4 November 1889 at Brunswick, Victoria. He was a devout Presbyterian and member of his church boards of management of Footscray and Armadale. He had close links with Professor Henry Payne of the University of Melbourne. Calder was known as a 'champion shot', and assisted with military training in the Moorooduc area during World War I. He hoped to retire to his small property at Red Hill, Victoria but died of cancer at East Malvern on 18 February 1928. He was still Chairman and chief engineer of the CRB when he died, and was replaced as chief engineer by Donald Victor Darwin.

Calder was survived by his wife, a son (Architect Stuart Palmer Calder) and a daughter, and was buried in Cheltenham cemetery after a ceremony at Gardiner Presbyterian Church. Calder's wife was awarded a special State pension by the Victorian Government, which saved her from financial difficulty. Memorials to William Calder include an avenue of trees on the road to Geelong beginning one mile past Werribee, cairns at Warragul and elsewhere in Gippsland, an obelisk on the Princes Highway, at Drouin,[6] a plaque at Frankston [7] and a bridge at Moe. A portrait of him by Tom Roberts, hung in the C.R.B. board room, in Kew until recently.[1]

I have a suspicion that prominent historian,Winty Calder,born in 1927 (possibly at Mornington) was a daughter of Stuart Palmer Calder.

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MEMORIES, POST 1940, OF RED HILL NEAR DROMANA, VIC., AUST.

No,you haven't missed the reunion! It's on Sunday,March 22,not long now!

Sybil Cumming (nee Colliver)had already sent me Graeme Saunders' memoirs and today I received her terrific contribution. As I'm presently writing journals about Dromana and Mickleham,I thought I'd better get this journal started before any other sidetracks crop up.

For those without internet access,or who wish to see the photos and scanned newspaper articles that cannot be published here,I will be printing a booklet which I intend to finish before the end of April,and will consist of all the memoirs contributed. I will announce in a comment under this journal when they are available; you can then purchase your copy at the Dromana Historical Society museum in the old shire office for a donation of $2 (or more if you can afford it) to the society. If you intend going on a holiday near the end of April,get a friend to look for my announcement and pick up your copy or you might miss out. The museum will be re-opened after repainting by the time the book is ready, is at the top of Melway 159 F-G7 in the old Shire of Flinders Office,and will be open on the 1st and 3rd Sunday of the month. People living more than a two hour drive from Dromana may contact me NOW to reserve a copy and organise postage.

MEMOIRS.

SYBIL CUMMING (NEE COLLIVER.)
Childhood Memories â Growing up in Red Hill
CONTRIBUTION 1 FROM Sybil Cumming (nee Colliver)

My mother was MAVIS EILEEN CLEINE, the second child, and only daughter of Karl and Myrtle Cleine. She was born in the Dromana Hospital in May 1925. Her father, my grandfather was the youngest of Charles (Chas) Cleineâs 11 children, so during her childhood there were many cousins and second cousins living in the area. Here is a newspaper article (Frankston Standard, Thursday 2 November 1944, page 4) where my mother is mentioned when she was a bridesmaid at the wedding of one of her cousins, BERYL PROSSOR.
My mother was educated at the Red Hill State School and at Frankston High School. Her first job after leaving school was working as a shorthand typist in the Shire Office in Dromana, now the Dromana and District Historical Society Museum. The photo below of the ladies working in the Shire Office was taken sometime around 1944. Mavis Cleine is standing in the centre of the group.

When she was 19 years of age, relaxing after work having a drink in the Dromana pub, she met the love of her life, an older man from the city who was to become my father: CLIFFORD HAROLD COLLIVER was living in Black Rock and at that time was employed as a fitter and turner for the Victorian Railways. They were both avid tennis players.
My parents had a small wedding in Hampton in December 1944 and honeymooned in Cowes on Phillip Island, despite the Red Hill news column (see next page) printed on page 2 of the Frankston Standard on 7 December 1944, stating that my motherâs new husband was called Clive and that they spent their honeymoon in Cairns.

For the first couple of years of their married life my parents lived with my grandparents in âBrookletâ on the corner of Mechanics Road and Redhill/Arthurâs Seat Road. Here my father first learned about life as an apple orchardist, working with his parents-in-law and brother-in law, PHILIP SIDNEY CLEINE who lived next door. The front drawing room of âBrookletâ was converted into my parentsâ bedroom and later, after the birth of my brother, Ian, in October 1946 part of the front veranda was filled in to make a nursery.

My mother used to love dancing and for the first few years of her marriage managed to drag my father to the regular Saturday night dances in the local hall (Mechanics Hall). My brother used to be placed in his carry bassinet on the stage behind the piano.

I remember going along to those Saturday night dances myself as a child. The whole family was included. I used to love doing the barn dance with the grown-ups.

And later on I have a vague memory from the early 1960âs of some dancing lessons. Who ran the classes? Was it Russell and Shirley Simpson? I do remember hours of patient coaching and practice and then the competition, where I nervously stepped my way through the Palmer Waltz with John McCallum.

Another memory I have of Mechanics Hall is the flower shows. My Uncle âPhipâ Cleine usually won the blue ribbons for his glorious gladioli blooms and his dahlias were quite a sight. He grew them all down on the flat at âBrookletâ where the original homestead was built.

It must have been sometime in 1947 that my parents bought the house we called âKia-Oraâ and 15 acres of land on the corner of Beaulieu Road and Shoreham Road (now 3 Beaulieu Road). I remember the remains of another old house on the property, overtaken by Kentish cherry trees, near where my father built the tractor shed and later on a small hen house. In the late 50âs my mother, Mavis planted an acorn near the foundations of that original house. A huge oak tree stands tall on that spot today. There was another little cottage on the property, facing onto Shoreham Road. It was rented out to another family (Tulloch) until the early 50âs when it became the storage shed for all the apple cases. What a great cubby house that cottage made.



Some of the property already had established apple orchards, mainly Jonathons and Red Delicious, but over the next few years my father planted more including Granny Smiths, Golden Delicious and Gravensteins. He also built a dam on the Shoreham Road boundary, near our small pine plantation and a large packing shed near the old stable.
One of my fatherâs best friends and mentor in those early days was AUBREY NOEL (A.C.B Noel), one of his mates from the Red Hill Tennis Team.

Red Hill Tennis Club 1947
Back Row: L-R: "Phip" Cleine, Jack Holmes, Aubrey Noel. Centre: May Wainwright
Front Row: L-R: Alice Prossor, Mavis Colliver, Cliff Colliver, Bill Craig, George Bloomfield.


Below is a photo circa 1948 with Aubrey Noel driving the tractor with my father Cliff Colliver (holding my brother Ian) and my grandmother, Myrtle Cleine (holding my sister Kay).

When it came time to pick the apples my father recruited friends, neighbours and relatives to help out.

Apple pickers L-R: Cliff Colliver, Gladys Bedford (a neighbour and wife of the Red Hill Cool Store Engineer, Jack Bedford), Harold Wilson and Ivan White (dairy farmers from Main Ridge).

Childhood Memories â Growing up in Red Hill South
CONTRIBUTION 2 FROM Sybil Cumming (nee Colliver)

Although the house where I grew up is now 3 Beaulieu Road, Red Hill South, our mailing address from earliest memory was simply Shoreham Road, Red Hill South and we collected the mail from the Red Hill South Post Office, located next door to Pedleyâs grocery store on the corner of Point Leo Road and Shoreham Road. My sister recalls that the ALEX PEDLEY was one of the first postmasters there. A new building was constructed to house the new Post Office with, I think, a feed and grain store and petrol pump as well.
In the 1950âs and 60âs there were only three houses in Beaulieu Road. We couldnât see any of the neighbouring houses and it was thick bushland across the road. We spent many happy hours over there picking blackberries, maidenhair fern and wild violets. At the end of the road where the gravel road turned into a rough bush track lived JACK AND PHYLLIS KIRBY. They had two daughters, one was named Joy. We had the first house on the corner and in the middle further down on the same side of the road lived our nearest neighbours DICK AND MILLIE MAY. The May family had a dairy cow and grew sweet corn as well as apples. My brother, sister and I often played with their two girls, Lynette and Merle. A lasting memory was one exceptionally hot summer day when we all went swimming in their dam, the one frequented by their cow. As we walked home afterwards we started to smell something putrid. It was us! We had stirred up a lot of vile smelling mud as we cavorted in the water.
In those days Simpson Street connected with Shoreham Road. Our neighbours going up the hill on Simpson Street were CHARLIE AND IRIS CROWE and their children Tessa and Bruce. They lived next door to a beautiful old two storey house owned by the Red Hill Cool Store, on the corner of Simpson Street and Baynes Road. JACK AND GLADYS BEDFORD lived in that house with their only daughter Jean, as Jack was employed as the cool store engineer. The Bedfords became close friends with my family and we spent many a Christmas and New Year Eve enjoying their old English hospitality with singsongs around the piano. My âAuntie Gladâ really knew how to pound that keyboard and she taught us many of the old war tunes. JEAN BEDFORD later gained some fame as an author. Two of her books Country Girl Again and Love Child depict life living in a country town very reminiscent of Red Hill in the early 60âs.
Over the road from the Bedfords lived one of the Edwards families: Bob, his wife and their children Henry, Melva (dec'd) and Francis. BOB EDWARDS often worked on a block of land he owned further down the track at the end of Beaulieu Road. Nearly every day he used to drive his old (Ford) truck to work there. Many times we watched with amusement as he would drive backwards all the way down Simpson Street, across Shoreham Road and past our house, driving in reverse gear because the other gears on his truck didn't work! The other Edwards family that we knew were MATT AND HAZEL EDWARDS, and their kids were Donald, Keith and Elaine. They lived almost across the road from the Red Hill South Post Office. They were the first family in Red Hill South to buy a television set in 1956. Children from all over the district were invited into their lounge room each night at 6.00 pm to watch the Mickey Mouse Club. Matt Edwards owned and drove one of the semi-trailers that collected the packed apples from our area and drove them to the market in Melbourne each week. He would bring back fresh fruit and vegetables which BELLA EDWARDS used to sell in her shed/market stall.


Memories of Red Hill Consolidated School
When I first started school in 1955 it was Syd Hitchcock who drove the Shoreham bus past my house (on the corner of Beaulieu and Shoreham Roads) to the Consolidated School. An old wooden container that once housed a VW beetle was turned on its end to make a shelter for me, my brother and sister, and several of the neighboursâ children. We had a normal looking bus (ex-Peninsula bus lines) but the kids from the Balnarring area got to ride in an articulated semi-trailer style of bus that was painted sky blue, if I remember correctly. The bus parking area was then at the front of the school beside the main assembly area outside the main office. The drivers parked the buses there all day and went off to their normal day jobs before returning for the afternoon shift.

In 1957 my Grade 2 teacher was Mrs A McKenzie. (See photo on next page.) The year before she was involved in the school bus crash. The bus driven by Syd Hitchcock with nine children from the Consolidated School on board had swerved to avoid a collision with an old model utility and plunged 40 feet off the bridge and into the creek at Shoreham.



1957 Grade 2
STANDING BACK ROW: Mrs A. McKenzie, John McCallum, _________ , _________ , _________ , Danny ? , _________ , _________ , _________ , Kenneth Williams, _________ , Shane Wright.
STANDING MIDDLE ROW: Ian Duffield, Peter Wilson, ________ , Wendy Higgins, Lorna Hemple, Pam Smith, Wendy Haddow, Barbara Mannix, Margaret Longmuir, Trevor Storer? Andrew Duncan.
SEATED MIDDLE ROW: Kay Francis, Judith Setter, Christina Dowling, Elaine Buxton, Rosemary Squires, Helen Duffield, Shirley Holden? Julie Sherwood, Lorraine Lester, Sybil Colliver, Joan Cotter, Maria Del Grosso, Susan Boyd.
FRONT ROW: _________ , _________ , Kevin ? Mervin Chambers, _________


GRAEME SAUNDERS.
BACK TO RED HILL REUNION
Reminiscences

CONTRIBUTION FROM Graeme Saunders.

I have some stories from the past:
⢠I used to ride on the steam train that went to Red Hill South packing sheds and timber yards.
⢠There was also a rail line from the Dromana Pier to Red Hill and it came up Eatonâs cutting opposite the Red Hill Consolidated School.
⢠The rails were made of timber and the rail trucks were pulled up the line by Bullock teams carting freight for Red Hill and Main Ridge.
⢠The OT Jam factory had a dam on the side of the mountain opposite Main Creek Road, Main Ridge.

PHOTO. Opening of the Red Hill Railway Line on 2 December 1921.
(Karl Cleine is pictured to the right in the black hat.)


CONTRIBUTION FROM BEV LAURISSEN.
Part of Bev's letter,relating to the Darleys of the Survey,Fingal and Flinders has been posted as the last comment under the RED HILL POST 1940 journal. She must have spent hours on her contribution on Sunday night after the reunion. The letter was in my letterbox by noon today (Tuesday.)

Bev's comments refer to things that I wrote in the Red Hill post 1940 journal and come with page numbers but as page numbers cannot be seen on the journal,they would be meaningless unless you printed the journal, so the numbers are not included here. The comments follow in the order they would Relate to the named journal.

Mr Ratcliffe was the mailman,not the postmaster,for about ten years. He was the first to deliver mail and retired when he was 80. He drove a ute (which Bev thought was green but she said Ethel Bailey would know.)

Harry Amos was the headteacher at Red Hill from at least 1927. He was the secretary of the Red hill Agricultural and Horticultural Society.

Alice (deceased) and Norma Prossor,twin daughters of May (nee Holmes) and Norm Prossor became,respectively, Mrs Les Bright and Mrs Ken Edwards. Ken's parents were Reuben and Mavis Edwards. Reuben managed the I.F.M. packing shed.

G.Larissen was in the local V.D.F. (Volunteer Defence Corps?)

Dromana Football Club. Probably Elgar Pittock who had a garage at Red Hill. Elgar is not Graham's father.
(I saw Cr Pittock at the Australia Day festivities on the foreshore (26-1-2015)and he told me that Elgar lived in Dromana and drove to Red Hill every day to operate the garage. By the way, Graham is descended from the famed Sorrento fishing family,the Watsons, via the Stirlings, and my WATSONS AND STIRLINGS OF PORTSEA AND SORRENTO journal resulted from an interview with Graham's(aunt?) to whom he introduced me.)

DIDN'T TELL MUM? Ethel Bailey was not aware that her son was a member of Frankston Standard's* Children's Club when he was about five years old. Sneaky little Robert!
NEW MEMBERS WELCOMED The following new members enrolled during the week. They are welcomed as Club members.
A special welcome is extended to the new members from Red Hill South and from Langwarrin: We should get a lot of members from the outlying districts of the Peninsula: Robert Bailey, Red Hill South,Eric Jewell, Frankston (etc.)(*Standard (Frankston, Vic. : 1939 - 1949)Thursday 26 June 1947,page 13.)



Red Hill joined with other Show Societies between 1939 and 1949.
(It is hard to find trove articles about Red Hill because you get millions of results of which one grain of sand per beach actually pertains to our Red Hill. However,I was able to establish that in 1940, while Frankston had a very successful show, Somerville's renowned and decades old show was cancelled. There were plenty of reports of the 1947 Red Hill Show; it was not run by a show committee but by the Red Hill and District Progress Association. I think I pointed out the reason in the annals section of the RED HILL POST 1940 journal. You will remember the article about the huge numbers of Fred Volk's footy team and other Red Hill residents enlisting. Due to the reduced number of men,the little ladies not, of course, being invited to fill the void due to a now-outmoded attitude, a central committee took responsibility for functions performed previously by several separate committees.)

Mr Milburn,who lived opposite the Co-Op Coolstore put sides on his truck and a tarp over it,and with apple cases as seats transported young people to events such as the Lang Lang Rodeo, Country Week basketball (netball)at Royal Park,and to pictures at Dromana as a reward for Red Hill South State School winning the "Big Shield" at the Athletics Sports at Rosebud.Red Hill South had miraculously beaten the BIG schools.

BEV'S PRONOUNCEMENT ABOUT PRONUNCIATION.
Can we do something to stop the in-comers pronouncing Purves (as the plural of Purve) instead of the pronunciation used by the family:Purv-ES?
(The Laurissens, Johnsons (later changed to Johnstones, such as Christie Johnstone of Flinders but not George Johnstone of Purves Rd who married Olive Cairns and is mentioned in Hec Hanson's MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN)and Wilsons (but not Gervais Wilson,ancestor of Peter Hemphill) all feature in the Sarah Wilson story. When Bobby Wilson's head was split open in 1902,it was his uncle, Mr Laurissen who wrote to the Mornington Standard commending those, such as Constable Edwards, who had got him to Dr Somers in Mornington. Bobby's father had married a Purves girl,hence Bev's concern that the surname should be pronounced correctly.

That the surname was pronounced as Bev claims is illustrated by a rate collector who had obvious HEARD the name but never seen it in writing and wrote PURVIS in his assessment of Greenhills in Purves Road. PURV-ESS.
The name's origin had nothing to do with STANDING ON THE CORNER WATCHING ALL THE GIRLS GO BY (hit song from "The Boyfriend")but an old French word similar to purveyor, a collector of taxes for the likes of William the Conqueror.)


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SHANDS RD.
When I was at school what is now known as Shands Rd was known as Miltary Rd. Before W.W.2,it was a rough track. The military constructed a new road, a decent bridge etc.I believe it was formally gazetted as Shands Rd later when lots of roads were given names.

(Very few roads had names for almost a century and a road making contract might state something like so many chains between Blakeley's and Jarman's (Ecclesall and Devonia.) My paper Balnarring parish map shows gravel reserves (gazetted in 1954) on part of G.Wilson's 66A at Melway 255 HJ1,where Shands Rd was extended to Shoreham Rd, that are shown as RESERVED FOR MILITARY PURPOSES on an earlier map,probably the online one. )

VILLAGE SETTLEMENT.
A lot of folk lore surrounds this.Several people were given permission to occupy their blocks but starved and left so (their crown leases were) cancelled.
(My Village Settlement Pioneers journal indicates that this was probably the case with Tassell and Marshall; Mrs Thiele would have left because of the death of her husband Charles in the accident on Eatons Cutting Rd.When I walked down Prossors Lane to Trevor Holmes'place, I couldn't help visualising the mammoth task that would have been involved in clearing a block before any food could be grown; no wonder some starved.

I wonder why 74 Balnarring hadn't been alienated before the 1890's depression. It wouldn't have been required as a timber reserve amidst such a forest of stately gums. Perhaps it had been put up to auction and no bids were made because of the clearing required.)

RED HILL SOUTH TENNIS CLUB 1940.
I can't remember any Red Hill South tennis club/team. Who were the names apart from Trewin and Rigby?
(The article about the 1940 finals was the only reference to the club that I could find.)

GERVAISE WILSON (Research by Bud Wilson sent to Michael Osborne (U.K.)
James Gibbon Wilson married Jane Ester Figgis in Dublin 1828. After James died Jane went to England with her 8 children and emigrated to Tasmania,moving to Victoria in 1868. Jane died at Queenscliff in 1902. Jane's second son,Alfred Benjamin Wilson,born in Dublin 1836,married Sarah Anne (Flora) Hunt in Tasmania (and obviously remained in Tasmania when Jane,and perhaps her younger children moved to Victoria.-itellya.)Alfred's family moved to Victoria in 1888/89 and started an apple orchard business in Red Hill and Main Ridge. Alfred died at Dromana in 1926.

His second son, Gervase Mason Wilson married Jane Graves in 190(8?)and continued his father's apple orchard business. He died in 1965. His grandson (presumably Peter Hemphill about whom I wrote in the original journal) still has the one remaining orchard. The brothers of Gervaise were Reginald James Wilson (b. Launceston 1881, died Vic.1970) and Raymond Figgis Wilson (b.1882 Launceston,died Vic.1979.)The latter(presumably)was firstly a farmer in Punty Lane,Shoreham, before becoming a fitter. His name is on the 1912 Electoral Roll.

R. J. Wilson's "Wyoming Orchard" was on Tucks Rd On the Flinders side of Shands Rd, I was told on the right side.He was a bachelor,rode amotor bike and was "a different religion".Was this Reginald James Wilson? It would be interesting to check the will of Alfred Benjamin Wilson or wife Sarah Ann (Flora.)

Bev has drawn a sketch showing Gervaise Wilson* at the north east corner of Tucks and Shands Rds with Esther and Bobby Wilson's "Fernbank" to the east across Stony Creek fronting Shoreham and Shand's Rds and the Laurissens to the north. R.J.Wilson's *"Wyoming" was shown at the south east corner of Shands and Tucks Rds.

* These properties and parish maps/rates.
In 1919/20 the rate collector's writing must have been terrible unless he actually wrote the wrong surname. I transcribed selected assessments near Red Hill in the parish of Balnarring,which did not include the Laurissen's farm whose location is described in GIVING DESTINY A HAND.
GERVAIS WATSON,FLINDERS,(OWNER A.H.GREEN,CAMPERDOWN)116 ACRES AND BUILDINGS,68 A and B,BALNARRING.
ROBERT WILSON,SHOREHAM, 88 ACRES AND BUILDINGS,67 A and B,BALNARRING.

Gervais Wilson was on the north east corner of Tucks and Shands as Bev stated. Crown allotments 68AB, granted to A.Allan and consisting of 116 acres 2 roods 30 perches is roughly indicated by Melway 190 G11-12. Fernbank, 67AB, did not actually front Shands Rd which heads south east to Shoreham Rd through G.Wilson's grant, 66A.
As 67AB totalled 107 acres 36 perches,the Laurissens probably had about 30 acres at the north end of 67A.

I did not record rate records in the parish of Flinders, across Shands Rd from Gervaise Wilson but R.J.Wilson was granted crown allotment 2C of 30 acres on 5-6-1941. This was part of 2B,granted to J.Bullock on 20-11-1869 and had to be a closer settlement or soldier settlement farm, either of which could be paid off on generous terms. This was probably Wyoming Orchard and makes it extremely likely that the grantee was Reginald James Wilson. R.J.Wilson's grant was near the south west corner of Shands and Tucks Rds, not the south east as shown on Bev's sketch map, and is indicated by 276 Tucks Rd/ Melway 255 F 2-3.The south east corner was Thomas Dowling's grant.


I think R.Ellis (Dick) was a brother of Esther, nee Ellis, Bobby Wilson's wife. Auntie Esther had her elderly blind mother living with her and (Esther's) son,Bobby, when I was a kid.

DOWLINGS.
Carol Holmes' mother was Elva Dowling and family research on property etc has been done.

I can remember Glenn Wills playing football for Red hill after the war-a big fair haired player. Dad was President of R.H.F.C. at this time and he always seemed busy talking with andvisiting boysfor the team.

I believe Phil Cleine and wife were the people who started Red Hill Gardening Club which is still going strong,not the A.and H. Society in 1922.

See Jean Edwards to confirm that Beaulieu Rd was named after Nash.(Subdivision Frederick and Elizabeth St too.)
(As pointed out in memories,Beaulieu Rd was known as Government road,being the boundary between J.McConnell's grants, 75A to the north and 75B to the south. In 1919 75 AB had been subdivided, with those assessed being James Smith of Shoreham (lot 4, 20 acres) Karl Cleine (lot 9,18 acres), Thomas John Simpson (lot 8, 20 acres and building),G.l.Taylor,Merbein (lot 10,20 acres), L.Tanell , almost certainly Tassell,of Footscray (lot 11,20 acres), F.R.Yeates,almost certainly Yates,of Buckley St, Essendon (probably the son of David Yates of the Racecourse Hotel at Keilor)(lots 1,2, 3,12, 135 acres). You might notice that lots 5,6 and 7 haven't been mentioned and that the rate collectors standard of care is not too hot. Therefore my transcription of the following is probably what he wrote.
Frederick Nash Snr,still on 74 FG of the Village Settlement, (lots 6 and 7 73AB,40 acres),
Mrs E.G.Nash (lot 5,20 acres,73 AB.)
These should have been 75AB. The Nashes had 60 acres, obviously adjoining. Yates'lot 12 must have consisted of 75 acres fronting Stony Creek. Was Frances St named after a member of the Nash family too?







JUST RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING FROM SYBIL SO I'LL SKIP TO BEV'S MEMORIES OF RED HILL'S SWAGGY.
When I have a moment I was thinking about writing a few lines from my memories of the Red Hill Swaggie "Old Jimmy" if you are interested.(I replied that it would be great to have two viewpoints and told her that I'd let her see Bev's now.

BEV'S MEMORIES OF RED HILL'S SWAGGY.
Jimmy Heffernan was the well-known swaggy seen walking along the road to (Melbourne?)He often camped out under the bridge over Pt Nepean Rd at Balcombe Creek. Alway carried his sugar bag (similar to the one carried by Charlie Johnstone in Petronella Wilson's "Giving Destiny a Hand.") The carry bag was a pre- back pack. Jimmy lived in a small one roomed bungalow on a beautiful bush block in Cherry Rd. This building is still in the front garden of Mark Koscic's house. The power was connected initially to the bungalow and now onto the house. I believe a nephew (maybe a priest)kept an eye on him and that Jimmy owned the property. I remember Dad telling me that the nephew said that Jimmy wasn't a pauper-just a way of life. No idea where he bought his food. Dad emptied his car ash tray in front of his place, (Itellya-this sounds like a vindictive act but I presume that Jimmy satisfied his nicotine craving with the butts)- and often a case of apples would fall off the trailer along the road for him.

We were never frightened of him. The only time he came to our place was just after Dad died. He came with a dirty white cup; Mum said asking "The Missus" for a cup of sugar. He got the sugar but also went off with a "flea in his ear" and didn't bother her again. Must check out if the hut had a fireplace.

SYBIL'S MEMORIES OF SWAGGY JIM.



FROM BARRY WRIGHT (EXCLUDING OVER 25 PHOTOS WHICH WILL BE IN THE BOOKLET.)
(N.B. FOOTNOTES POSTED AT THE END OF BARRY'S CONTRIBUTION.)
The following is an excerpt from the book âWildwood â¦a little farm well-tilledâ which is in the process of production by Barry Wright. The Chapter here describes the years when Max and Berta Wright lived at the house Sheltrenook situated on the Wildwood property.

As the world grappled with the Great Depression Max settled into the task of running the orchard under the watchful eye of Walter. Max clearly enjoyed the work, and no doubt he was very happy that his fatherâs decision had found them in Red Hill. No doubt he was also happy that the building trade was behind him and he could devote his energies to his love of growing things. The new life and work on the little property at Red Hill working with his father presented many challenges for Max. And six years after the Wright familyâs arrival in Red Hill there was to be another major change in Maxwellâs life.

In 1934 Maxwell married Berta Smith. Berta had come to Red Hill to take up an appointment as a second teacher at the local Red Hill School No. 1301 (now St. Georgeâs Church of England). Berta and Max build a new home, which they called Sheltrenook on the southern slope of the Wildwood property, about 400 metres south of the Wildwood house on Red Hill Road. The setting was against a backdrop of bush on the southern side, which had been logged earlier in the history of the property but still held a scattering of ancient messmate and peppermint gums (no doubt un-millable because of their size and senility) dominating the strong regrowth of quite sizeable trees. The new house, Sheltrenook, tucked on the southern slope between âThe Bushâ and the partially cleared paddock above it, was built by Max and his father from timber milled from messmate trees cut from the bush on the property with some of the flooring cut from local radiata pine. The timber was milled at Vic Holmesâ steam sawmill, which was located nearby; about halfway between Wildwood and the Church of Christ on the south side of the Red Hill Road (a little to the west of the house now at 229 Arthurs Seat Road). Over the years Max and Berta improved and developed the simple house and the surrounding garden, planting a great variety of fruit trees and ornamental trees and shrubs.

Until the late 1940âs there was no track or road down to the house. To get to the outside world we had to walk up the hill, across the paddock, past the âLittle Gumsâ and then under the archway of the massive pine trees standing in a row on the brow of the hill. To the left was the stable, the cow bail and the âRed Shedâ . And on the right the machinery shed, the well dug by Walter and the old house âWildwoodâ. From there a gravel drive ran down a northern slope and through a wooden gate to the âTop Roadâ (Arthurs Seat Road). On the left side of the driveway between the sheds and the road there were two weatherboard garages under the pine trees. One of these housed in the 1950s the little bull-nosed Morris tourer that belonged to Auntie Phyll. The other garage housed the grey 1924 Packard Six truck which sat in the oily gloom poised for a rolling start. The old Packard had started life as a stylish tourer but in the early nineteen forties had been modified by the addition of a wooden tray and sides so that it could cart fruit to the Red Hill Cooperative Cool Store at the railhead at Red Hill South. The Truck also served as the family âcarâ.

It wasnât until the late 1940s that electricity was connected to the house at Sheltrenook. Prior to this, lighting was by candles and kerosene lamps. Cooking was done on a wood stove. Cold water was piped from the water tank to the kitchen and to the bathroom and âback porchâ, which served as a laundry. There was no hot water supply. Water for the kitchen and for baths was heated in a slender metal tank that nestled beside the firebox of the stove. At the top of this tank there was a screw cap where cold water could be added and a large brass tap at the bottom to draw off the heated water.

The sitting room was heated by an open fire. Both kitchen and sitting room fireplaces and chimneys were fashioned out of galvanised âtinâ sheet, in an all-in-one traditional square chimney and fireplace unit held together with rivets. The kitchen stove and sitting room fire were set respectively on concrete hearths. The hearth in the sitting room was edged with a removable piece of fine Tasmanian fiddleback blackwood, constructed by Walter in a shallow âUâ shape and lined with galvanised iron to protect it from the heat.

The exterior cladding of the house was vertical six-inch by one-inch hardwood boards with two-inch by one-inch cover strips nailed over the joints between the vertical boards. Up until the mid-1950s inside the house there was no internal lining of the walls. The back of the exterior boards was covered with sisalkraft . This was tacked to the boards concealing the raw boards and studs. The ceilings were very low and were made of hoop-pine plywood nailed to the bearers. In some places decorative newspaper âwallpaperâ was pasted onto the sisalkraft.

The bathroom was spartan, sporting a naked galvanised iron bath painted in latter days a sort of industrial green. Cold water was laid on but there was no shower and the hand basin was just that â a grey enamel basin. The water supply was always a problem, especially during summer when the galvanised iron tanks became seriously depleted. I have summertime memories of Dad anxiously rapping the tanks with his bare knuckles to determine the water level and memories of the once-a-week bath night being monitored by Dad thrusting a wooden ruler into the barely wet bottom of the tin bath and pronouncing the permissible level. âFour inchesâ sticks in my mind. Not much water and not much quality, especially when on the patch of land just to the north of the house Dad maintained a highly productive vegetable garden, using environmentally-friendly growing techniques including companion planting, composting, mulching, and âno digâ techniques many years before these ânew ageâ strategies were embraced with religious zeal by the wave of pale city dwellers who began to gradually seep into the city-near farmland, buoyed by the burgeoning affluence of the nineteen sixties.

The apple orchard at âWildwoodâ was small, just ten acres (4 hectares) with about 1000 apple trees. The predominant variety was Jonathans. Other varieties included Granny Smith, Rome Beauty, Red Delicious, Yates, Rokewood, Stewartâs Seedling, Golden Delicious, Gravenstein and a number of other varieties some of which were produced on single trees or single branch grafts in the other main-crop trees. These varieties bearing exotic names included Alfriston, Pomme de Neige, Winesap, Hoover, Irish Peach, Red Astrachan, Democrat, Winter Majetin, Five Crown or London Pippin, Northern Spy, Sturmer, Rymer, Newman and Twenty Ounce. In addition there were a small number of pear trees â Beurre Bosc, Williams Bon Chretien, Josephine, Winter Nelis, Winter Cole and Packhamâs Triumph and there was also a patch of lemon trees along Blakelyâs Line on the western side of the Young Orchard.

This minimal fruit farm consistently produced crops well in excess of the State average per acre. In 1951 the Department of Agriculture Orchard Supervisor, Duncan Brown, in an article in the local newspaper, the âPeninsula Postâ, wrote a glowing report on the little orchard and the professionalism and skill of Max.

A little farm well tilled
By D.D.B.
At Red Hill there is a picturesque little orchard of ten acres divided into sections by tall sheltering pines. Each tree is cared for individually and the orchard is so productive that up to 5000 cases had been picked in an âonâ year and about 2000 cases in an âoffâ year. This profitable little orchard is owned by Mr Max Wright to whom fruit growing is as much a hobby as a profession.

The success of this small establishment speaks for itself. It stresses the desirability of owning a comparatively small property and looking after it intelligently and efficiently.Many apple properties twice, or even three times its size, produce less through the ownerâs inability to do the right thing at the right time, or to attend to essential detail.

Mr Wright has made a study of fruit growing since 1928 and has the ability, the knowledge and the time to attend to detail. He has he also learned to be particularly observant in an anticipatory matter. He realises that all phases of orchard management are so correlated and interrelated that neglect of one will nullify the effects of others. Everything is done on time, and done thoroughly and efficiently.

An ardent believer in soil fertility Mr Wright sows legume crops each year and applies as much bulk as he possibly can. This, with an average of 5lbs. blood and bone, constitutes the treesâ manurial program. It is not considered sufficient, however, and heavier applications will be applied in future.

Careful diary
Work on the orchard is made more interesting, constructive and lucrative by various tests and trials put down by Mr Wright. He keeps a meticulous diary of these observations, but even without its aid could conduct a visitor to any tree and tell what the trial has been, or is being conducted. Very often the results point the way to the more extensive use, or discontinuance, of the trial under way.

Among his various experiments is one of sod culture. Three years ago about 16 trees were put down under clover and rye grass which is cut at regular intervals. So far neither trees nor fruits have suffered with the trial, and the test is encouraging and worth carrying on.

Long pruning of Romes is another trial. These trees are some of the largest in the district with the fruits borne at the end of the laterals. The trees bear exceptionally well and the fruit, hanging well out, colours better. This method is different from the accepted hard pruning of this variety. Mr Wright does not claim any advantage over the other method of pruning, but just explains that there may be exceptions to rule...

... There is an old tale about nasturtiums cleaning up woolly aphis. Mr Wright ridiculed, but tried it, by sowing some nasturtium seed below one Granny Smith apple tree always susceptible to and pitted with the aphis. He purposely refrained from spraying that tree and the nasturtiums grew strongly up it. The woolly aphis almost disappeared. This can be vouched for by the writer, but no explanation can be given.


During these years the ownership of the Wildwood property remained in Walterâs hands with Max in partnership working the orchard. In 1955 Walter Wright died in his ninetieth year after a long and full life. He was active to the end. In his own words he had had âa splendid inningsâ and he believed he had lived in âThe Golden Ageâ. The ownership of Wildwood passed to Max, and he continued to fine-tune the production of apples from the little orchard.

BARRY'S FOOTNOTES.
1.The âRed Shedâ was an addition to the original stables that were constructed before the arrival of the Wright family. Walter constructed the Red Shed from timber, which he split from messmate trees on the property. The roof was corrugated iron and most of the walls were clad with flattened 44gallon tar drums painted with red lead â a mixture of red lead (lead tetroxide) and linseed oil. Red Lead was a common (and highly toxic) anti-corrosive and primer paint in common use until relatively recently.

2. âSisalkraftâ, which is still available, was a heavy duty building paper which had a layer of bitumen sandwiched between heavy brown paper. Threads of sisal were imbedded in the bitumen layer to provide strength and resist tearing. In most cases the sisalkraft at âSheltrenookâ provided an effective draft barrier.
3. The orchard was planted on a 20 feet by 20 feet grid giving 108 trees to the acre. This spacing was typical of orchards planted in Southern Victoria in the first half of the twentieth century.

4. These words: âA little farm well tilled, A little barn well filled. A little wife well willed â¦â are from the comic opera âThe Soldierâs Returnâ by James Hook, 1805 - which in turn were no doubt derived from lines in Grete Herbal by Peter Treveris, London (1526) âA little house well fillâd, a little land well tillâd, a little barn well fillâd, and a little wife well willâd, are great richesâ.

5. âcasesâ here refers to the wooden boxes into which apples were put into in the orchard for transport and for storage and, before the advent of cardboard cartons, was the container in which apples were packed for selling in the local wholesale, interstate and export markets. The standard âcaseâ used in southern Victorian orchards was known as a âdumpâ or a âdump caseâ and had a capacity of one bushel or about 40 pounds of apples (18.2 kilograms). The dump case is not to be confused with the kero case, which was also used for transporting and storing fruit but not for marketing. A kero case held about 50 pounds of apples (about 23kg).

6. The Peninsula Post, Wednesday April 8, 1953

FROM HENRY (BEN) EDWARDS.
I was born in Dromana Bush Nursing Hospital on 5/10/1942 and lived at the corner of Baynes and Beaulieu Rd (now Simpson St) for 23 years.

Shoreham Rd was a gravel road from Pt Leo Rd intersection to Hastings-FlindersRd at Shoreham. Pt Leo Rdwasalso a gravel track. The bitumen road into Red Hill stopped about fifty metres past this intersection on Shoreham Rd as did the electricity supply. The phone lines also stopped at this point.

Most of our supplies came from Dromana (bread, groceries, meat, ice, clothing etc) were all delivered twice a week, order on delivery and get the next delivery. We also got visits every couple of months from hawkers selling a variety of items ranging from medicines,ointments, footwear,clothing, pots and pans and also a tinker who repaired boots,saucepans,sharpened knives and could repair almost anything on the spot.

Our milk, eggs,poultry, fruit and vegetables were all home grown, if you did not have one or the other your neighbour did, so we would swap. Later years when the general store had a better range of supplies, these deliveries slowly disappeared.

We always had a neighbourhood bonfire on Guy Fawkes night,we wouldspend monthscollecting burnable material for the fire. It used to be a big night with lots of fireworks and the occasional stick of gelignite to add an extra bang.

My first year of school was at Red Hill South state school which was at the top of the hill on Pr Leo Rd. The rest of my schooling was at the Red Hill Consolidated School.

For entertainment we had to findsomething to do ourselves whether it wasclimbing trees, riding our bikes, fishing in Stony Creek, trapping or ferreting for rabbits or maybe tea leafing Mrs May's fruit and vegie garden. Corn,peas,tomatoes, plums,nectarines etc always tasted better when you got away with pinching them. Mum often wondered why we weren't hungry sometimes but I think she knew what we had been up to,especially if we had been into the strawberries, raspberries or cherries,the stains on our clothing gave us away.

Until 1952 the train used to come to Red Hill every Monday and we looked forward to holiday Mondays. It meant we could go down to the station and watch the steam train come in. We would help the crew unload the goods they had brought in and load any to go out, we were probably more nuisance than help. After this it was all aboard the engine and back down to the turntable to turn the engine around for its return journey. They would position the engine on the turntable and then let us turn it around. Imagine being allowed to do that nowadays.

As we got older our lifestyle changed, movies were shown in the Red Hill Hall on Wednesday nights, dances on Saturday nights. We were now old enough to have a shotgun,so we spent a lot of time hunting rabbits and foxes, mainly at night with a spotlight. We were never refused entry to a property to hunt,the owners were glad to see us.

The Red Hill Show was another thing,we looked forward to volunteering to help at the show as soon as we were old enough. The Fire Brigade was another way of helping the community aswell as entertaining ourselves,joining up as soon as we turned sixteen and competing in demonstrations in various parts of the state. About this time motor cars came into our lives and we could go further afield forour entertainment, a complete change of lifestyle.

I loved Red Hill the way it was back in the 50's and 60's but that's life, you can't stop progress if that's what you call it. I will always call Red Hill my home.


SADLY SOME PEOPLE COULD NOT ATTEND THE BACK TO BUT THEY PROVIDED VALUABLE INFORMATION.

HOWARD CLEINE.
I am the fifth of seven children of Philip and (Sylvia) Marjorie Cleine (nee Wright) and still reside and work locally. The info re the reunion has been passed on to other family members.

Cousin Sybil (nee Colliver) mentioned in the tennis memoir was indeed Philipâs Niece, her mother being Mavis (Cleine) and I have not seen Sybil for many years.

I do have some important Red Hill Tennis memorabilia which I would be pleased to put in the right hands for the club.

Sadly I have a previous engagement planned and will be away the weekend of March 22nd but Iâm sure plenty of interest will be created by this event.

To me, CLEINEâS corner was always the intersection of Mechanics Road and Arthurs Seat Road where Karl and Myrtle Cleineâs Property âBrookletâ (still standing and named Brooklet Farm) was, and with the entrance to what was once the orchardâs packing shed and the original Cleine home further down the hill, leaving the road there in a northerly direction from the corner. On the other side of the entrance drive is part of what was in my youth Rowlandâs orchard next to where Shirley Coolstore (Hollandâs) once stood.

Interestingly in my real estate endeavors I have three Red Hill properties on the market once owned by relatives. Two were once owned by the Colliver family, one in Beaulieu Road that I was last in in the 1960âs, the other a home they built when retiring from orcharding on Red Hill Road.
The other property is a lovely cottage built for Mrs Berta Wright (my aunt on Motherâs side) on Arthurs Seat Road. Havenât I seen some changes in the district in sixty plus years????

HILARY MILLER. I am Hilary (nee Cleine), fourth child of Marj and Phip, about whom you have heard from brother Howard and sister Diana. Clearly we were all blessed, or possibly cursed with our parentsâ great love of both reading and writing. I've spent a couple of unplanned hours reading all your history. Marj was a prolific writer and among other things wrote the local news columns for various local papers for many, many years. Phip was partly instrumental in getting the Red Hill Library established. Prior to that little building near the Red Hill Show Grounds being built, we were piled into the back of the truck for the trip to the Rosebud library. We would read all the way home.
The names Mr and Mrs D. Ponter were mentioned somewhere. This was Dermot (Ted) and Janet, I think, who ran the Red Hill Store next to Pittockâs Garage in the 1950's. They had 3 children, Jean, John and Graeme. Ted loved helping himself to the lollies whenever a child purchased some.
I spent many happy years playing with my cousins Ian, Kay and Sybil Colliver when they came to visit Grandma (Myrtle) on Saturday mornings. We roamed through the property "Brooklet" with no thought of the wilderness it must have been when Charlie and Elizabeth (McIlroy) Cleine built their home down the hill near the old well. Dad's father Karl, one of eleven children I believe, told Dad that he remembered aboriginal people still living along the creeks in those days.

FROM PHONE CONVERSATION WITH GRAEME SAUNDERS AND INSERTED IN NEAR-FINISHED BOOKLET ON PAGES INDICATED.

SPACE FILLER - GRAEME SAUNDERS. (PAGE 19.) Relics of the rails used to ensure that heavily laden bullock drays did not destroy the tracks over Arthurs Seat could still be seen after the consolidated school opened. The rails went straight up the hill from the pier and then veered to the right. There were wide grooves on the timber in which the dray wheels ran.
From Graemeâs description, the railway followed todayâs Pier St and veered right into todayâs Jetty Rd, crossing Boundary Rd into Hillview Quarry Rd (the start of Bryanâs Cutting track which ran through the Town Common adjoining the east boundary of Gracefield.) To emerge from the south end of Eatonâs Cutting road while maintaining a reasonable straight line with a reasonable gradient, the railway must have cut south east through Robert Caldwellâs âDromana Hillâ (later âFairy Vineyard, more recently the quarry south of Jackson Way) and passing the north side of the future O.T. dam, linked up with Eatonâs Cutting road near Holmes Rd. DO ANY REMAINS OF THE RAILWAY STILL EXIST???

SPACE FILLER â GRAEME SAUNDERS.(PAGE 21.) Graeme Saunders lived at the bottom of Callanans Rd. He and his mates used to have a ride home from school on the open railway trucks as shown on page 17. It only took a couple of boys to push one to get it going and the downward gradient towards Merricks did the rest. Theyâd just apply the brake when they reached each of the boyâs houses. There was a cutting along the line and timber used to be loaded into the trucks from its top. They tried their little trick with a truck heavily laden with timber but they couldnât stop it and jumped for their lives. Apparently the truck crossed the road near Merricks Station at breakneck speed and rolled when reaching a curve soon after, providing the Misses Cole with a welcome delivery of firewood.
Graeme told me the turntable was on the Merricks side of the Red Hill Station and that it could be turned by hand by a couple of boys. While unsuccessfully trying to locate the turntable on the Balnarring parish map, I noticed land (c/a89C) that had been granted to A.C.B.Noel on 15-1-1932. It had frontages of 734 metres to the south side of Pt Leo Rd and 339 metres to the east side of Baynes Rd. Consisting of 49 acres 3 roods 37 perches, it had been purchased by the crown under the Closer Settlement Act, having been part of Joseph Simpsonâs* grant. (*See DROMANA PIONEER PATHWAY.)


SPACE FILLER â GRAEME SAUNDERS. (Page 39.)
Graeme told me that blind Mr Rudduck (Bullfrog) was the commissioner for scouts in the area and at the opening of the Guide hall at Rosebud he was presented to Prince Phillip and Lord Baden Powell. Trove has proved that Ernie Rudduck was indeed Commissioner for Mornington Peninsula County for over a decade until at least 1949, but no proof of the opening or Ernieâs blindness has been found. Colin McLear confirms that Ernie was known as Bullfrog but doesnât mention any blindness. I wonder if Ernie and Graemeâs father were doing a Wong/Peatey type leg-pull on little Graeme, who was amazed that a blind man was game to drive Mr Saundersâ car.











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