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hi Itellya, two things - are itellya and XXX XXXX one and the same? and do you know the origin of the Scots of Tullamarine? so far I have the following (including some non-Scots)
settler origin arrival farm
John, James and Malcolm Ritchie Aberdeenshire 1852 Aucholzie (later Gowrie Park)
John & David Mansfield Suffolk 1850 Roseleigh
John and Duncan McNab Inverness-shire 1848 Victoria Bank/Oakbank
John Grant Inverness-shire 1850 Seafield
Richard Gibson Ayrshire 1870? Barbiston
Donald Gray Ayrshire 1850 Bellno
Walter Clarke ? 1860 Glenara
David Duncan Inverness-shire 1853 Gowrie Park
Michael Loeman ? 1842 Glenloeman
any assistance geatly appreciated
Good guess, Gary.
(Postscript foreword if there's such a thing. I thought you meant arrival in Australia but I just twigged that you meant in Tullamarine.)
*=Check VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS PAST AND PRESENT by Alexander Sutherland.
1.Ritchie- *.The Ritchies also had Overpostle on Tullamarine Island, across Deep Creek from Aucholzie, for quite some time.
2.Mansfield.* Would you like to borrow my copy of Neil Mansfield's THE DAVID MANSFIELD STORY?
Isaac and Ann Mansfield,natives of Suffolk, arrived 7-11-1849 with their sons Sam, Geo, Isaac, David and daughter Mary Ann,their second eldest,John having emigrated with his wife and family in 1848. Their original timber home, Roseleigh, on the south side of Mansfields Rd (wrongly called Victoria Bank)has apparently been recently demolished.In the land boom of the 1880's a speculator,possibly Marks Herman, bought the property from David, who had inherited it from his father Isaac. The speculator went bust so David regained the farm and used the forfeited deposit and part payments to build the duochrome brick Glenalice which,being right near the east-west runway was demolished during airport construction.
3.McNab* (I think the biogs do claim that they settled in 1848.)
The McNab biogs in VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS for Angus and his brother mention their father moving away and that was why the first Victoria Bank )second most southern quarter of section 8 was absorbed into Oakbank, and on his return Angus established the second Victoria Bank on the 93 acre portion of 9A Tullamarine, fronting Barbiston Rd, on which (Agnes?) Richie (Malcolm's mother?) had previously been assessed.
The following describes the farm to which Duncan moved and why, as well as showing how the Grants and McNabs co-operated in their breeding efforts from the original Oakbank Annie. (The Tasmanian Ayrshire herd owed its origin to the McNab and later the Buchanan herds.)
MR. DUNCAN M'NAB'S STUD AYRSHIRES. (BY OUR OWN REPORTER.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 23 February 1883 p 9 Article
4.Grant* Do the vague Maths from Campbellfield etc. He was a co-grantee of section 8 Tulla with the McNab brothers so I always assumed that they would have settled at the same time.
5.Richard Gibson. It was obviously Richard who gave the farm this name.There was a
Barbiston farm in Ayrshire (from where he definitely came.) Unfortunately his obituary doesn't mention when he settled on Barbiston but Harry Peck might have in MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN.
DEATH OF MR. RICHARD GIBSON.
Traralgon Record (Traralgon, Vic. : 1886 - 1932) Tuesday 17 August 1886 p 3 Article
D.Robertson was assessed on Barbiston (NOT NAMED BUT IDENTIFIED BY ITS ACREAGE) in 1868 so Richard probably arrived no earlier than 1870.(P.13, TULLAMARINE BEFORE THE JETPORT.)
There are no trove entries for robertson, barbiston or gibson,barbiston in the 1870's so I'll try barbiston,tullamarine. No matches for that either. Try GIBSON,TULLAMARINE. No luck in the 1870's. Try 1880's.
The earliest result found for Richard Gibson in Tullamarine so far is 1882. What is interesting however, is that Charlotte Robertson, the wife of a David Gibson died near the M.C.G. in the 1870's. Was D.Robertson a relative of Richard's wife and managing Barbiston for him? There also was a 44000 acre estate in Gippsland called Barbiston,which might be why a Gippsland paper wrote his obituary. Every report of Richard Gibson in the 1870's concerned his pure stock-selling company and those of the 1880's concerned additions to and then the dispersal of his Barbiston (Tullamarine) herd.
Unfortunately I didn't even record the memorial details for Donald Gray on my Melway for section 13 Tullamarine although I transposed every one of Fawkner's subdivision lots allocated to the members. In my book I only mentioned some original purchasers. However the co-grantees of 13A, Fawkner and Coghill, did not partition the grant, each receiving 246 acres,until 28-9-1852 (volume U folio 187) so it is more likely that Donald did not settle on Bellno (funny name!) until late 1852 or early 1853.
7. Walter Clark (no e.) Walter Clark was supposed to have bought Alexander Kennedy's portion,including the Inverness Hotel or Coghill's Glencairne in 1856. His place of origin is given below.
Clark, Alister (1864–1949)
by H. E. Rundle
This article was published in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 8, (MUP), 1981
Alister Clark (1864-1949), rosarian and sportsman, was born on 26 January 1864 at Brighton, Victoria, second son of Walter Clark and his second wife Annie, née Cooper. Walter Clark, born in Argyllshire, Scotland, in 1803, arrived in Sydney on 23 January 1838 in the Minerva, sponsored by Rev. J. D. Lang. He became a partner with Sir William Macleay in Kerarbury station on the Murrumbidgee River, and made money out of stock during the gold rush. He overlanded stock to Melbourne, took up land at Bulla and built Glenara in 1857.
I presume he'd settled on Gowrie Park by 1848. He was a builder and built Roseneath in Woodland St,Essendon where Big Clarke was nursed during the incapacitated last stage of his life. He bought out his co-grantee,Thompson quite early.
Would you like my EARLY LANDOWNERS: PARISH OF TULLAMARINE and EARLY LANDOWNERS: PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA which have quite a bit of titles information,maps,photos etc?
9. Michael Loeman.* I think he went to Bulla in 1854. Do the maths re Moreland etc. I'll see what Isaac Batey says.Michael might have settled before he received the grant.
Sunbury South Post-Contact Heritage Assessment
Dec 18, 2014 - Isaac Batey, the son of Martin and Alice Batey of Redstone Hill, was one of .... A number of settlers purchased land in the area south of Sunbury in 1854, including A. and J. Guthrie, F. Harding, M. Loeman, W. Craig and J. O'Grady, and J ...... family - John, Michael Joseph, James, Margaret Anne, and Mary.
RYE HISTORICAL SOCIETY, MORNINGTON PENINSULA,VIC., AUST., MICHAEL CAIN AND THE ARTHURS SEAT HOTEL, DROMANA.
Bryan Ringrose,a gold miner who arrived in Australia in 1853, seems to have returned to England, perhaps to claim an inheritance that assisted his many later mining ventures. He returned aboard the Eagle from Liverpool in (1959 - oops, 1859!)
Prominent in public affairs at Smythesdale near Ballarat, he lost his nose in a mine explosion and disappeared from the scene. He died near Balranald,having lived in that area for 25 years (since about 1888.) So where was he between late 1863 and 1888? Probably at Red Hill for some of that time,on 60 acres about 400 metres south of the west end of McIlroys Rd.
What on earth does that have to do with the Rye Historical Society? Bryan Ringrose was obviously a steerage passenger on The Eagle in 1859 but one of the handful of cabin passengers was J.Burrell. I googled BURRELL,ARTHURS SEAT,THE EAGLE and one of the results was an issue of the society's newsletter.
Download File - Rye Historical Society - Weebly
14 The South Bourke and Mornington Journal 17th October 1877
A QUIET OUTING. The following has been furnished to us by a
gentleman who was one of the number who recently took a trip down the
peninsula between Western Port and Port Phillip Bay; and will, no doubt, be
interesting to many of our readers:
"Being inclined for a trip out, and moreover, being desirous of a glimpse of
the much-vaunted Sorrento, the Bella Vista of Sir C. G. Duffy, a friend and I
started from Dandenong, and in due time reached Frankston, whence, after
refreshing the inner man, not forgetting the cattle, (horses) we proceeded on
our journey by way of Mornington. The Tanti Hotel being the next place of
call, we pulled up and refreshed. After a few minutes' spell we again took the
road for Dromana, our destination for that night, and which we reached after
traversing a most abominable piece of road, over Mount Martha, early in the
evening. After paying due attention to our wearied animals, we found
ourselves snugly ensconced in the Arthur's Seat Hotel, a house beautifully
situated at the base of Arthur's Seat and within a stone's-throw of the sea
beach. Here we spent a very pleasant evening and succeeded in obtaining a
cicerone for our journey of the morrow to Sorrento.
The morning dawning bright and beautiful, we according to arrangement
started in good time along an excellent metal road, our guide pointing out, as
we proceeded, the beautifully situated seat of the late J. B. Burrell, Esq., J.P.,
and the South Channel Lighthouse, with the remarkably neat quarters of the
light keepers. Passing the tidy looking vineyard of Capt. Adams, we
suddenly came to the end of the metalled road and delved into pure sand at a
place which we were told was called the 'Rosebud' fishing village,
consisting, as most fishing villages do, of a number of straggling cottages
and huts, the fleet of boats, with their sails glistening under the sun in the
distance, accounting for the seeming want of life on shore. Passing this
village, our guide, finding that the tide was out, soon showed us a way on the
beach, along which we had a splendid spin for about six miles, which
brought us to Tootgarook, the well known station of James Purves, Esq. Here
we halted for a while, and proceeded thence to Rye, the next township, the
inhabitants of which are principally engaged in the lime trade.
Being directed by our companion to the house of Patrick Sullivan, we found
everything neat and snug, and determined to remain for the night. In the said
P. Sullivan we found an intelligent veteran of some standing, whom we
unanimously agreed must be a relative of the now celebrated Sulieman
Pasha, greatly to the amusement of his four attractive daughters. After a
stroll in the vicinity, our sharpened appetites, and the sun's chronological
indications warned us that it was tea time, we returned to the Pasha's and
enjoyed ourselves heartily until a late hour, when, finding the house was
overcrowded with visitors, two of us quietly took two opossum rugs from
the trap, and wrapping ourselves therein, had a sound and undisturbed
snooze until daylight under a clump of umbrageous tea- trees. After
witnessing one or two pugilistic encounters between some of the old
identities, we breakfasted, and putting the horses to again, took the bench
for Sorrento, where we arrived after passing the late Michael O'Grady's and
Dr. Blair's residences. Here we found three hotels, two very large ones, but
around those two reigned solemn silence, not a soul being visible; so our
guide suggested, its two of us at least patronised colonial industry in the
shape of beer, we had better go to the smaller house, where the greatest
traffic was in that particular commodity. So, accordingly, we paid a visit to
Mr. J. Clark, whose brew we found excellent.
After watering the horses, we again mounted, our guide telling us that he
would take us to Sands' End, meaning Portsea, and he did take us there,
after a slight detour from the proper road. Portsea we considered a prettier
place than Sorrento, the former having much less of the loose drifting sand
which prevails at the latter. Making a substantial dinner at Farnsworth's, in
very capacious and well-built hotel, with a fine lofty tower, we again took
our seats and retraced our way to Dromana, which we reached in the
evening, without anything wonderful happening. "Next morning, being in
no great hurry to start, we had a better view of Dromana, which is truly a
beautiful place, situated between Mount Martha and Arthur's Seat, the latter
forming a bold and majestic background to the township.
From the trigonometrical survey tower on Arthur's Seat, which has been
utilised by the inhabitants constructing a good stair, railings, &c., the most
magnificent panoramic view that can well be conceived is to be obtained,
having the whole stretch of Port Phillip and Western Port Bays, the outline
of the southern coast, the Dandenong Range and the Australian Alps in
Gippsland towering in all their grandeur in the distance, full in view. The
Dromana Hotel, kept by Mr. R. Watkin, is a large and handsome building, capable
of accommodating a large number of visitors, and is situated near the jetty. etc.
The newsletter also had an item about Nell Arnold, who like John G. Mann of (Mt Eliza), Mr Rogers (son of Dromana teacher), Colin McLear (Dromana), Vin Burnham and Peter Wilson(Burnham descendant who prompted me to achieve a heritage overlay for the Boyd Cottage at 62 Rosebud Pde), Rosalind Peatey, Isabel Moresby (Rosebud), Patricia Appleford (Rye), Jennifer Nixon and Elizabeth McMeikan,(both Skelton descendants) and Charles Hollinshed (Sorrento), Sheila Skidmore and Petronella Wilson (Red Hill),and L.Wilding (Flinders) did much to record the history of the Southern Peninsula. With many scanned documents,there is also a lengthy article about Michael Cain, e.g.
At Cairns house not long ago
A young man came to stay.
The sort we ladies like to strike
His name was Dan O Shea.
When first he threw eyes me
I gammoned to be blue.
But now I have got so
used to him
I will gladly give him to you.
Two of Michael’s daughters,
Mary Agnes and Ethel married
Cairns sons. Was this poem
written be by one of them?
Rye Historical Society is fortunate to have dedicated researchers such as Linda Berndt (a Jennings descendant) and Phil Cain. The society was apparently formed to prevent the demolition of the old school building (now its museum)in the Rye Primary School grounds, which would have resulted from relocation of the school. Please visit the museum and soak up some of the history presented by the displays to reward the volunteers who open it to the public and devote countless hours to catalogue the material collected. Details of opening times will be posted on the society's website.
Because local history is LOCAL, misunderstandings often occur and a lot of background information about people is never explored. John Cain, correspondent of the Board of Advice (which acted for MANY schools) requested improvements to the Dromana school, and Colin McLear wrote on page 131 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA:
After much delay and complaints by Correspondent John Cain of Kangerong (and later of Boneo and Portsea) the Department etc.
If John Cain had been a resident of Kangerong in the late 1870's,he would have been assessed in the Central Riding in 1879 between John (Vans Agnew) Bruce,1000 acres Kangerong (Melway 150 E10 to 151 K 12)and Charles Clein (Cleine)unless Charles Cleine had just succeeded John Cain on what was probably a McIlroy grant, most unlikely. May Agnes Cain, who married Hill Harry Cairns of Fingal, was born in Adelaide while Michael Cain was working there. Her children were born at Grandma Neville's place in South Melbourne and stayed there until they were 10 days old when they returned to Dromana by steamer and were driven home to Maroolaba by Hill Harry.*; Michael had married a Neville girl and his brother, Joseph, had married a Murray girl,which accounts for the naming of two streets on Owen Cain's grant "Tyrone" between Rye and Canterbury Jetty Rd.
(*SOURCE. Their son, the Boneo Bradman, as in my journal TALKING HISTORY WITH RAY CAIRNS, the transcript of an interview conducted ten days after the late Ray Cairns made his last century.)
Robert Rowley Snr. was a pioneer (with Henry Cadby Wells, the later Frankston pioneer) of Sorrento in 1841 and Westernport in 1849 (Source: The Wells Story); Dromana, working for Peter Pidoto after marrying in Longford, Tasmania (source: Ron Doig) in 1861; and Arthurs Seat's summit at an advanced age (sources:Wannaeue parish map, LIME LAND LEISURE), as well as his documented involvement at Rye. The Rowleys provided much early history via interviews conducted by local papers. Robert Snr. was happy to chat about the old days and one of his tales (about NO GOOD DAMPER), told to James Little Brown, is pasted into my journal, SOME HISTORY OF DANDENONG.
I intend to write some details about some of the people and places mentioned above.
CAIN, ROWLEY,CAIRNS, BROWN, WATKIN, SCURFIELD, BURRELLN,RINGROSE, DUFFY, ADAMS,[SULLIVAN/ GRACE/ GRACEFIELD O'GRADY,BLAIR, CLARK, FARNSWORTH (NEPEAN HOTEL,FORD), NEVILLE, MURRAY, WELLS,DUFFYAND DROMANA(1862)HOTELS. TANTI HOTEL/TANTINE SHEEP STATION/ABORIGINE?
In order of appearance above.
In Ireland,tenant farmers were being turfed off their farms and their homes were being destroyed by landlords who wanted to graze sheep in order to take advantage of the increased demand for wool created by the industrial revolution*. Charles Duffy became the champion of the struggle to obtain security of tenure for tenants. On the way to Australia,he was enchanted by Sorrento in Italy, and seeing its resemblance to the AREA where, after being welcomed as a hero,he received many grants, he called it Sorrento. No township had been planned for the area, but when a dispute arose between Duffy and lime merchant, William Allison Blair of Essendon (Netheby or Netherlea? Definitely not Ngarveno)and later near the Medway golf course at Braybrook, Sidney Smith Crispo who had established (unsuccessfully)his own village of Manners-Sutton (named after the Governor, who during his tenure became Viscount Canterbury), suggested to his superior, James? Grant, that a village be created on the disputed land.The village sold like hot cakes and disappointed buyers turned to Canterbury where Crispo had built the first of two jetties. (Detail of the first, and the second jetty built for limeburners, is in another issue of the newsletter.)
[* Spinning and weaving had previously been a cottage industry and revenge was sought against the huge mills by such as James Sandle Ford who was convicted of machine breaking. He settled at the heads near the Sullivans, marrying one of Dennis and Honorah's daughters. The Sullivans had to move in 1852 when the quarantine station was established but James remained, supplying food to the quarantine station, and called the area Portsea. He and Peter Purves of Tootgarook organized a dodgy petition in 1859 to prevent fencing off of the police paddock,west of Tyrone, where they had been grazing their numerous bullocks. (See Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD or Jenny Nixon's FAMILY,CONNECTIONS, SORRENTO AND PORTSEA.) James Ford received grants east of Boneo Rd and with the addition of land between today's Eastbourne Rd and a southern boundary indicated by Besgrove St, the 660 acre Wannaeue Station was created.In about 1876, his son,Cr William Ford was living there according to a notice he wrote as the electoral officer. He had a cook (Salmon)who had taken part in a famous naval battle against America in 1812.Years later,in 1902, when one of the Cairns family wrote to the shire he called Eastbourne Rd Ford's Lane. James Ford Jnr. was assessed on 260 acres at Eaton Hill which was later granted to Professor Hearn of Heronswood at Dromana. Edward was apparently a blacksmith at Boneo.)
TANTI HOTEL/TANTINE SHEEP STATION/ABORIGINE?
In the local history room at Rosebud is a book written by a fictitious aboriginal boy, supposedly named Tanti. The name, pronounced with a long i at the end, probably came from the TANTINE SHEEP STATION, the name of which may or may not have been a corruption of a Boon-wurrung word. The earliest mention of the hotel discovered on trove under this name appeared in 1854 but,if I remember correctly,a history board outside the entrance of the Mornington museum (Old Post office) gives the year of its establishment as 1852.(See my journal about the hotel.)
ARTHUR'S SEAT HOTEL/ Dromana Hotel (1862).
TO THE COUPLE WHICH VISITED THE DROMANA MUSEUM TODAY (1-2-2015)WITH A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE ARTHURS SEAT HOTEL- SEE COMMENT 2 under the journal.
William Dixon Scurfield, an early purchaser of land in Broadmeadows Township (Westmeadows)was the owner of this hotel which was established in 1857, four years before Dromana Township (west of McCulloch St to the never- made Burrell St which was intended to link the Esplanade and Latrobe St) was proclaimed*. There were plenty of customers,however because Arthurs Seat was alive with the sound of the saw and the axe. Other men were engaged in carting the timber to the bay and loading it.
(*The township had been in the pipeline for some time and was probably responsible for the McCraes of "Arthur's Seat" relinquishing their run, to be replaced by the Burrell's.)
Loading the timber was a real trial and Robert Caldwell of Dromana Hill (later the Fairy Vineyard, now the Hillcrest quarry and residential area with streets named after counties and Spencer Jackson)and other prominent men were agitating for a pier but, without local government which would allow rates to be loaded, their request was refused* despite the population (due to Jamieson's Special Survey) being greater than that of Snapper Point (later Schnapper Point,then Mornington) which did get a pier.
*Only one of many articles and not the first, where officials had come to Dromana.
Messrs. Caldwell and Lyall, M.L.A.'s, waited
upon Mr. Francis, for the purpose of asking
him to cause to be placed on the Estimates the
sum of £2,000, for the construction of a jetty at
Mr. FRANCIS, in reply, said that as there was
no municipality at Dromana, the people of the
district should endeavour to subscribe a sum of
money, and then go to the Government to get it
supplemented. He thought the best plan for the
deputation to adopt would be to postpone the
application, as at present it was the intention of
the Government to stop many of the public
works, there not being sufficient money to carry
The deputation then withdrew.(P.5, Argus, 7-12-1859.)
Oddly, an early licensee of Scurfield's Hotel was Richard Watkin*,who established the Dromana Hotel IN 1862. After that William and his wife ran the hotel. It is likely that the name changed to the Arthur's Seat Hotel soon after steamers starting bringing tourists;I'd have to consult my rates transcriptions to determine the original year and this is off the top of the head stuff.It was certainly after 1869.
* The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 27 August 1858 p 8 Advertising
... »Bt._ SCURFIELD HOTEL, Arthur's Seat, kept by Richard Watkin. Abundance of game. Horses and dogs always .
CRIMINAL CHARGE AGAINST THE REV. PATRICK NIALL.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 13 September 1869 p 6 Article
By 1874 George Assender was assessed on the hotel and continued there until at least 1883,when he was leasing the hotel from Laurence and Co. Some time after that a Mr Wainwright (whose name is written elsewhere)ran the hotel until he died and his widow, Catherine took over . The very next year (1887?) the licensee was Mrs Catherine Allison and William Allison was assessed on the hotel.Yep, blacksmith, William Allison, had married widow Wainwright!
By 1894, Lawrence Murphy, formerly a coach proprietor based in Mornington, had taken over the Arthur's Seat Hotel. He was largely instrumental in getting Dromana a Catholic Church. He later took over the Dromana Hotel and ridiculously in 1897-8 he was assessed on both the Arthurs Seat Hotel(leased from Adams& Co.) and the Dromana Hotel (leased from Matthew Elliot, a partner of the prominent Melbourne Coach-building firm, Stevenson and Elliot, who also owned Robert Caldwell's old "Dromana Hill",renamed Fairy Vineyard.) When I read about the fire, I thought the Godly Lawrence Murphy was an arsonist! Anyone with half a brain would ponder why a publican would want to compete with himself-unless there was some devious plan! But Lawrence no longer had the Arthur's Seat and the fire did not sweep down the slope as Spencer Jackson claimed in his advertorial history of 1927 BEAUTIFUL DROMANA,although he had the year spot on; it started within the hotel. If I remember correctly, the licensee had the same name as Snoopy's mate and the cartoon strip.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 28 April 1898 p 3 Article
... . The old-established Arthur's Seat Hotel, containing about 20 rooms, was demolished by fire on Sunday ... morning. The licensee, Mr Charles Brown, was aroused from his slumbers by the screeching of a parrot caged ... 798 words
I forgot to mention that the hotel was situated between Levien and Foote St near the foreshore where William Dixon Scurfield received crown grants and his wife's name was Catherine.
ANTHONY'S NOSE (THE ROCKS.)
Strangely, no mention was made of this. Ned Williams had carved the first road around it so it no longer was necessary to travel on the beach sand, which required a wait for the tide to go out.
J.B.BURRELL.(Edward and Mary Williams.
Visit the McCrae Cottage for all the information you could require about the Burrells.
It was at the Burrell house that Edward Williams, arriving in a survey ship in 1855, met a servant named Mary Campbell who became his wife. After earning renown from the McLears and others as a harvester "who could scythe an acre of crop per day,quite a feat in the days of hand harvesting*", Edward, known as Ned,bought his grants straddling Browns Rd near Truemans Rd and opened a butchers shop in Sorrento. By 1899, Ned had taken over his mate, Sydney Smith Crispo's "Eastbourne" and he and Mary nursed the eccentric pioneer in his dying days as he spoke of the property becoming Australia's Capital, Federanium. Mary had come out with Robert Cairns and his wife in 1852.
1. Edward Williams built a new house on Eastbourne which is now 17 William Crescent. Who was the clown that decided to leave the s off Williams?
2. The Williams biography/genealogy in LIME LAND LEISURE is hidden in the WHITE entry. Check it out.
There were two lighthouses, coordinated to guide shipping, one at Dromana West (McCrae),referred to in the article as the South Channel Lighthouse and the South Channel Pile Lighthouse which was actually in the channel.The Light Keepers, (the correct occupation name according to Queenscliff's barefoot fisherman, Lew Ferrier, son of William,the hero of the La Bella wreck at Warrnambool in 1905, who tended both lights after starting in the service at Cape Schanck shortly after his heroic deed) rotated between each lighthouse with one week offshore and three onshore according to Isabel Moresby. The pile lighthouse was relocated out of the channel and can be clearly seen from the beach at Rye. The ship paintings done inside it by William John Ferrier are now displayed at the Polly Woodside in Melbourne.
Ned Williams and Bob White moved the original timber onshore lighthouse,replaced by the present structure, to the summit of Arthur's Seat where it served until about 1934 as a lookout tower.
CAPTAIN ADAMS,ISAAC WHITE, AND CLIMBING TELEGRAPH POLES.
One of the biggest mysteries in peninsula history is when exactly Captain Henry Everest Adams put down roots in Rosebud. The Dromana Pioneer pathway gives it as 1845, but a Dromana Historical Society report to the shire regarding the naming of a reserve gave it as 1841 (or maybe 1839.)
It was the lady hairdresser next to Henderson Real Estate who allowed my Peninsula research to move beyond parish maps, rate records and what was already written. She showed me a map of early Rosebud drawn by an oldtimer whose identity has never been confirmed but I suspect it was Rosalind Peatey (PINE TREES AND BOXTHORNS) or Isabel Moresby (ROSEBUD FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA.) She eventually remembered that the man who had given it to her was Harvey Marshall, a descendant of Captain Adams.
A rumour that the captain was the illegitimate son of Lord Vivian was replaced by the fact that the captain's ship-owning father had carried supplies to the aristocrat during a military campaign. Family folklore had it that the captain,having received a 750 acre grant to reward a service,beached his boat near the present Wattle Place (which became known to all oldtimers as Adams' Corner), and used its timbers to construct a cottage (near the rear of the present McCrae car wash.)
The captain did not receive a grant or his name would be recorded on a large slab of the Wannaeue parish map but it could have been a lease, although no record has been found of one. The lease might have instead been for 75 acres,part of section 20 Wannaeue between The Avenue (Adams Creek) and Parkmore Rd.Section 20 was not open for selection, was alienated as Wannaeue Village in about 1877 and the Adams family acquired a large slab of it,perhaps as a pre-emptive right. Strangely, the Captain entered into an indenture with Isaac White regarding a property in the parish of South Melbourne, in which Isaac expressed affection for the captain's wife. Isaac was the grantee of the 191 acre Crown allotment 19 which extended west to Adams Avenue and on which the Captain was assessed in 1864.
The captain and his son,Robert Henry, enlarged or replaced the cottage to establish a guest house, in which a frequent guest was the governor,Lord Hopetoun. The Gov., after whom the accommodation was named Hopetoun House, had a yacht if I remember correctly and I don't think he suffered from sea sickness or that he or the other guests were offered those biscuits you put cheese on. In fact the Adams women thought that the service offered was so UNSAVORY that they renamed the guest house as Merlyn Lodge.
But back to the era when this tour was reported. In 1873 Robert married Miss Mary Jane Hopcraft a "gentlewoman" from 159 F9 and she was so offended by Henry's "old salt" ways that she refused to live with him so Robert applied to lease crown land almost next to her father's farm. The captain infuriated her when he invited his grandchildren to sip the produce of his Vivian Vineyard of which you'll read more later.The captain moved to South Melbourne to live wit friends shortly after he gave Rosebud fisherman, Antonio Bosina, a loan of 50 pounds on 3-5-1880 with the latter's boat,Lilly as security, with Robert and Mary Jane moving back to Adams' Corner. (ADAMS CORNER. THE ADAMS FAMILY:PENINSULA PIONEERS, RFG, NOVEMBER, 2010.)
Dromana had at first had a Union Church, (built in 1879 by Henry William Ault who owned the 140 acre property south of Blakeley's at Red Hill and erected at least one public building there too), in which each protestant denomination held its services. In 1891, this church was sold because of disagreements between the various congregations. The Anglicans moved quickly to erect their own church . "George Noree* of Sorrento's tender was accepted for a slate-roofed limestone building to cost 531 pounds 1 shilling and fourpence." Ten thousand bricks had previously been donated by Robert Adams of McCrae and would have kept down costs; in those days every penny counted, as you can see with the quote. (Pages 113-120, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.)
(*George Morse, who built many of Sorrento's mansions and public buildings and Edward Williams' Eastbourne, now 17 William Crescent, Rosebud West; possibly also David Cairns' Eleanora in the Rosebud Hospital grounds, but as I've said,this is off the top of my head and I won't be checking here.)
The captain received grants for land in the parish of Nepean and 36 acres in the suburban area of the township of Dromana: 57 acres at 157 B11 south east of Diamond Bay Rd and 36 acres at 159E-F11. Robert Rowley,the Sorrento, Dromana, Rye pioneer would have known the old salt well and like most of the Rye men probably had practised well in the two early Rye sports of drinking and fighting (sometimes combined with horse racing at the turntable? or the beach.)Strong drink did not pose a problem to Robert until he tried the captain's wine. He said that after two glasses you'd be climbing telegraph poles.
ROSEBUD FISHING VILLAGE.
1879 ratepayers in ratebook (alphabetical) order: Antonio Bosina, Henry Bucher, William Gomm, William Devine, William Jamieson,John Jones, Antonio Latros,Andrew Nicholas, Joseph Silver (Silva)Frederick Vean (Vine).
I probably missed a few names, such as that of Fort(i) Lacco, in the transcription because of my lack of background knowledge at the time and the rate collector describing the above fishermen's properties as 1 lot and building,Wannaeue (rather than "Rosebud".)
The fishing village, occupying the same foreshore land as it does today, was alienated in 1872. One Rosebud fisherman that missed the chance to buy the block on which his hut was located was Patrick Wee Wee, whose grave in the Rye Cemetery is now indicated on a beautiful gravestone organised by- wait for it- DAH DUM the Rye Historical Society. He was conveying four quarrymen, who also perished, to the Quarantine Station at the Heads.
FATAL ACCIDENT IN THE BAY. SUPPOSED LOSS OF FIVE LIVES.
Williamstown Chronicle (Vic. : 1856 - 1954) Saturday 1 January 1870 p 3 Article
This had a variety of names before Peter Purves settled there. As pointed out in my Dromana Heritage Walk journal, George Smith's run,known as Wooloowoolboolook, may have been Tootgarook or part of it.
As my journal about the Purves brothers points out, it was James Purves' brother, Peter (the mason), who named the run Tootgarook and operated it until his death in 1860. Peter's architect brother was occupied with business (such as collecting the 700 pounds for which he had insured the Rosebud) and probably only visited his stations at Chinton (near Kilmore) and Tootgarook for a bit of recreation and to see how his horses were going. It was Peter who, with James Ford, organised the dodgy petition to prevent fencing off of the police paddock west of White Cliff and brother, James, didn't even sign it.
The Tootgarook pre-emptive right is shown on the Wannaeue parish map,available online. By then called Tootgarook Station, that is what the tourists of 1877 were talking about.
Joseph Henry Dunne, Toogarook Inn, Western Port,
Refused. (p.5,Argus, 22-3-1854.)
The Tootgarook hotel, at which Patrick Wee Wee met the quarrymen, was the tap room built on the station by James Trueman, that later served as a residence for the Bright family after which a street on the P.R. is named. Frank Bright was the Captain of the Tootgarook Rural Fire Brigade when it formed,if I remember correctly. Linda Bernt, that stalwart of the R.H.S., told me that the old tap room was situated in Leonard St, and to her disgust was demolished recently; another bit of history gone!
The pre-emptive right did not extend to Truemans Rd ,the Stenniken and Trueman grants being in between. The Stenniken grant was near the foreshore and included Burdett St (recalling the second given name of Godfrey Wilson who married Maria Stenniken and his mother Thamer's Wilson's maiden name) and Morris St houses. This was advertised for sale by Vale (no rhyme intended) in about 1920 and the building on the east corner of Carmichael St soon became a landmark. It was known as Birkdale House (Ron Doig.)
James Trueman's grants were divided longitudinally with each son getting half. Eventually the west half was acquired by hairdresser,Raymond Guest, who tended the hair of Panda, Graham Kennedy's barrel girl on In Melbourne Tonight. The half fronting Truemans Rd came into the possession of poultry farmer, Harry Doig, who on a visit from the Mallee to the Rowley farm (between Guest St and the freeway reserve) fell for Miss Rowley whom he later married.
Remember Birkdale House mentioned earlier? The Whittaker family started a tourist bus service to the peninsula. Despite, trove's dodgy digitisation, I think you'll be able to work out what they were calling Tootgarook.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 4 November 1938 p 16 Advertising
... ROMANA. Rosebud, Birkdale, Rye leave Whlght's, 110 Flinders st.,
The western half of James Trueman's grants was subdivided first by Alma and Ray Guest as the Almaray Estate with streets named after members of their family. Harry Doig subdivided his half later and it made sense to continue the Almaray streets to Truemans Rd, hence the many Guest street names on Alf's Oceanaires Estate, with only Doig Avenue and (I think) Ronald St, recalling the Doig family. Having married into the Rowley family,it would be inevitable that Harry came to love the history of the area and it was he who fought tooth and nail for the Shire of Flinders to call the area by its historic name, Tootgarook.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 15 March 1951 p 4 Article Illustrated
... the Almaray Estates at Tootagarook - just between Rosebud and Rye.
Many businesses are now pretending to have information from my journals on their websites to attract browsers. But I don't just write journals and have ensured that some wikipedia pages for localities have a bit more information than just when the post office opened. As I said before, I'm virtually writing this off the top of my head, so if you want more detailed information about Tootgarook, read this advertisement.
Suburb Description for Tootgarook - Apartments Australia ...
Tootgarook is located approximately 81 km from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. ... Harry's land was subdivided as the OCEANAIRES ESTATE in the mid 1950's.
SULLIVAN/ GRACE/ GRACEFIELD.
On 9-3-1857, William Grace was granted crown allotment 3, section 3, Kangerong, consisting of 249.5 acres roughly but always described as 250 acres. It was between the wedge-shaped town common and Caldwell Rd; east across the town common was Robert Caldwell's Dromana Hill. William called his property Gracefield for obvious reasons. Gracefield Avenue (Melway 159 H8) recalls the farm's name. After planting grapevines and effecting other improvements as described below, he sold his farm (which was later occupied by Red Hill pioneer,James McKeown, in about 1885 when James sold his grants there to the Sheehans), and moved to Rye,reportedly living in a house built by Berry, a very early limeburner.
FOR PRIVATE SALE,
VALUABLE FREEHOLD FARM,
To Capitalists, VIgnorons, Agriculturists, and Others.
GEMMELL, TUCKETT, and Co. have received Instructions from Mr. R. Kerr, as agent for the proprietor, to OFFER for PRIVATE SALE, at their rooms, 40 Collins street west,
All that valuable farm, Gracefield, Dromana, comprising 250 acres of superior land, on the north slope of Arthur's Seat Hill, well fenced, grassed, and abundantly watered, with six roomed brick house, slate roof,outbuildings, &c, with two roomed cottage, large cellar, &c. Seven acres planted with 1000 trees of the best descriptions of fruit ; eight to nine acres of the choicest vines in full bearing.The property is for positive sale, and any bona fide buyer will be liberally dealt with.
Full particulars of the auctioneers, or of Mr. R.Kerr, Collins-street west. (P.2, Argus, 23-2-1871.)
William was granted crown allotment 6, section 3 in the township of Rye. With a 20 metre frontage to The Esplanade and Nelson St commencing 60 metres from Dundas St, it would today contain part of the Rye Hotel. I bet you! On this block and perhaps adjoining ones, Patrick Sullivan built the Gracefield Hotel. What a coincidence that his hotel had the same name as that Dromana farm! No, not really because he married a daughter of William Grace. It's probably not coincidence that Rye's much-loved teacher, Miss Sullivan, who died after contracting Spanish Flu from soldiers returning from W.W.1, was named Grace; a change room on the foreshore for school children was dedicated to her memory.(Details are from my memory of "Rye Primary School 1667" so Linda, if I've got any details re Grace wrong please let me know. (I was going to say that Grace was nursing the soldiers but I wasn't 100% sure.)
At about the same time that Lou Carrigg was transforming the Beautiful Dromana Hotel into the Art Deco pub we see today, Mrs Hunt demolished the Gracefield and built the Art Deco Rye Hotel. Ever looked at the foundation stone?
The first "Rye Hotel", built by Cottier and Campbell was between Lyon and Napier St and according to Lime Land Leisure a licence held for a Rye Hotel at Dromana in 1859 was transferred to the new hotel in the area known as Tootgarook. William Cottier, early tenant on Jamieson's Special Survey, grantee of what became Walter Gibson's "Glenholm" and signatory of the petition* of 9-3-1861 (with John Campbell, who built the Rye pier,Robert Rowley and many others,recommending Robert Quinan as the teacher for Dromana Common School)is credited by some as giving Rye its name.(*P.132, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.)
Tootgarook had another early pub,the tap room at Tootgarook Station,said to have been built by James Trueman, where the four doomed quarrymen engaged the doomed Patrick Wee Wee, a Maori fisherman based near the Rosebudto take them to the Quarantine Station.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 31 December 1869 p 5 Article.
VILLA MARIA BECAME BLAIRGOWRIE.
Michael O'Grady was granted crown allotment 55B near Moonah Avenue and 54B, 51A and 51B on the north side of Melbourne Rd. He obviously bought R.Byrne's c/a 52 on which he built Villa Maria. No great intelligence is necessary to realise that O'Grady was an Irish Catholic and that his name for the house would not be to the liking of Dr John Blair, (See my journal THE BLAIRS OF ESSENDON AND DR JOHN BLAIR.)
It is important in the telling of this story to state that the western boundary of the Township of Rye was from the south end of French Rd to Pt Nepean Rd between White Cliffs and Cain Rds. West from that line was Owen Cain's "Tyrone" consisting of crown allotments 7-12 of the parish of Nepean,bounded by Melbourne Rd, Canterbury Jetty Rd and Pt Nepean Rd. The advertisement for the sale of the Cain estate was the earliest use of Blairgowrie as a locality name that I have found on trove. When the Blairgowrie estate was sold,it was described as being at SORRENTO.(P.2,Argus, 31-3-1923.) A few days earlier a par in a local paper mentioned the connection between O'Grady and "Blairgowrie", which was once again described as being in Sorrento.
Michael O'Grady's Old Home
The famous Blairgowrie Estate at Sorrento is to be offered for sale shortly. The beautiful Blairgowrie homestead was built for the Hon. Michael O'Grady, M.P., one of the early Postmaster-Generals of the
State.(P.1,Frankston and Somerville Standard,28-3-1923.)
For further detail about Blairgowrie (the suburb), see Jack Ritchie's fantastic history:
Blairgowrie: Blairgowire History (Jack Ritchie)
*LUGGER JACK CLARK'S MORNINGTON HOTEL. CLARK'S COTTAGE (WELLS) DROMANA TOWNSHIP-WHY?
Brevity is now the name of the game for these last three entries marked with asterisks as I have the Back To, and heritage walk journals, to complete so I can start the Vin Jervis journal before I forget about it.
Two Skelton descendants, Elizabeth and Jennifer, have written books called,respectively,THOSE COURAGEOUS HARDY WOMEN and family, connections,Sorrento and Portsea. One of the Skelton girls married Jack Clark, who sailed limecraft and then established the Mornington Hotel at Sorrento. The seemingly strange name for the hotel is not so strange because the peninsula is part of the county of Mornington; the Mornington Standard was so named for the same reason. Jennifer Nixon states, having dismissed other theories, that Clark's Cottage,demolished after the hotel became the Koonya, was built by a Mr Wells in about 1850. That was when Henry Cadby Wells was at Sorrento for the second time,in partnership with Robert Rowley for the second time, crayfishing in Henry's boat. As Henry's child was born at the site of the Koonya in 1841, when he and Robert were lime burning,the cottage may have been built between 1841 and 1843 (a depression in the latter most likely ending their first venture.)
At first Lugger Jack operated his pub in part of the cottage, but being close to the pier,he would have attracted most of the tourists, whose holiday was a day trip on the steamers, while the well-heeled patronised the exclusive 'otels up the hill where they would stay for the lengthy "season". A dedicated pub was soon needed to meet the demand. Jack became a councillor in the Shire of Flinders of Kangerong. See my journal; THESHIRE OF FLINDERS.
*FARNSWORTH (FORD)-NEPEAN HOTEL.
John Farnsworth, if I remember correctly,came to the area to build the Nepean Hotel for James Sandle Ford, and married his daughter. See Jenny Nixon's book for extensive detail. The Farnsworth on the former quarantine/army land near the heads is named after him.The Nepean was across the road from the Portsea Hotel,which was run by the Watsons and Cains for many years.
*TRIG.TOWER OR ORIGINAL LIGHTHOUSE ON ARTHURS SEAT IN 1877?
In A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, Colin McLear wrote (P.76)that the wooden lighthouse at McCrae was replaced in 1874 and taken to the summit. It pays to check. The present lighthouse was built in 1874 but was not erected until 1883 so the 1877 tourists were looking at the trig tower. The first article below has a photo of the original lighthouse on the summit; it would not have been dismantled and moved until the steel one was operating. Perhaps Colin McLear meant 1884 instead of 1874.
Originally, the first trig station was built on this site in 1853. This was replaced at some time by the Eastern Shore Light. The Eastern Shore Light was a timber lookout originally built at McCrae, at the base of Arthur's Seat in 1854. It was considered an integral part of the Port Phililp Bay navigation system before being replaced and moved to Arthur's Seat.
(Arthurs Seat Tower - Discover Mornington Peninsula
The original McCrae Lighthouse was a timber structure built in 1854 and following years of service was dismantled in sections and transported by bullock wagon to the top of nearby Arthurs Seat to be used as a lookout.
The present day lighthouse, built in England in 1874 by Chance Brothers & Co of Birmingham, was transported to Australia by sea and erected on this site in 1883.
(McCrae Lighthouse (McCrae) - Vic
Extract from email aimed at finding a photo of the Arthurs Seat Hotel:
P.S. Please send a memo including this advertisement to Peter and anybody else likely to be involved with a reprint of any books (including Peter's ART DECO one) that perpetuate the myth that the Dromana Hotel was built in 1857.
DROMANA HOTEL, Established 1862 -First-class
accommodation and sea bathing. Coach from
Melbourne dally. Steamer Williams four times a
week. The scenery around Dromana is unrivalled in
the colony. Terms moderate Horses and vehicles at
very low rates. R.Watkin, Proprietor.
(P.8, Argus, 6-1-1880.)
NOSELESS BRYAN RINGROSE, AUSTRALIA, who "emigrated from Newark, Nottinghamshire, probably around 1853".
EMAIL TO WOADY YALOAK HISTORICAL SOCIETY.( [email protected]). A big thank you to janilye!
A couple of years ago Margaret Roberts, your research officer, replied to my email about Bryan Ringrose. His obituary was found by my family tree circles mate, janilye, who said that it proved that Bryan Ringrose of Smythesdale and Bryan Ringrose of Red Hill, near Dromana, were not one and the same.
However the 1865 reference to Mrs Ringrose of Red Hill, which initially seemed to disprove the connection, and rate records which correlate nicely with the time of Bryan's arrival in N.S.W., are discussed under the obituary, which shows the Ballarat/Wicania connection. Janilye has since added further detail.
Regards, XXX XXXX, Rosebud.
POSTSCRIPT. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT MRS RINGROSE, WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN BRYAN'S MOTHER RATHER THAN HIS WIFE, DIED CIRCA 1870 BECAUSE FROM ABOUT THIS TIME, BRYAN WAS ASSESSED ONLY AS THE OWNER, NOT THE OCCUPANT, OF THE RED HILL PROPERTY.
Death of Mr. Bryan Ringrose
Another old colonist in the person of
Mr. Bryan Ringrose passed away at
the Tibo0burra Hospital at 9 a.m on the
30th. inst. aged 7? years. Mr. Ringrose
arrived in Victoria in the stirring times
of the early 50's and was identified with
the mining interest at Ballarat, but sub-
sequently came to the western part of
this state and has resided in the Wilcan
nia and Milparinka districts for the last
25 years. Mr. Ringrose was a Justice of
the Peace and took a keen interest in
all that concerned the welfare of his
adopted country. In Politics he was
liberal to the point of prudence, but an
uncompromising opponent of class legis-
lation and the socialist spirit that per
vades the political atmosphere of the
day, but neverless his sympathies
were strongly in favor of [?ac?]ting the
condition of the toiler. He was a man of
sound judgement, of [??] demeanour,
courageous, of social habits, a staunch
friend and typical of the middle class
Englishman to which he belonged. So
far as is known, Mr. Ringrose was never married. (P.2, Western Grazier, 30-12-1903.)
by itellya on 2015-01-24 21:41:30
NOSELESS BRYAN RINGROSE, CROWN ALLOTMENT 18B,KANGERONG,(MELWAY 90 K1).
This comment was prompted by a search of my Red Hill dictionary history to see if there was a DITTERICH entry. There wasn't and there wasn't anything about the family under SHAND. Then I spotted the RINGROSE entry and thought I should explain why I called Bryan "noseless".
The Kangerong parish map can be accessed online by googling KANGERONG, COUNTY OF BOURKE. Crown allotment 18B, consisting of 59 acres 3 roods 15 acres, was granted to B.Ringrose but the date of issue is not given on the map. The block was south of Four Winds(18A,granted to Henry Dunn, at the corner of White Hill and McIlroys Rds) of almost the same size and to the east a much later grant (possibly closer or soldier settlement)of 22 acres obtained by S.P.Calder, who was possibly the architect who designed the 1928 Shire hall in Dromana and son of the first C.R.B. Chairman, William Calder, who was President of the Red Hill Show committee until his death; a show report stated that William's "Four Winds" could be seen from the showgrounds.
Crown allotment 18B had a 2243 link (451.219824 metre) frontage to the east side of the road from Moat's corner between a point opposite the Tumbywood Rd corner and 1879 links (377.994672 metres)south of McIlroys Rd and a point opposite the present Sheehans Rd corner. My practically illegible paper map shows that about half of the property later became two adjoining closer or soldier settlement blocks, one fronting White Hill Rd and neither adjoining Four Winds.
(Reference to Sam Loxton deleted.)
BACK TO NOSELESS BRYAN RINGROSE. (EXTRACT FROM RED HILL DICTIONARY HISTORY JOURNAL.)
RINGROSE 1865. The illegible writing in the 1865 assessments led to me transcribing this name as Ringrove. The pioneer had 60 acres. The name of Mrs Ringrose appeared in George McLear's account book in 1865.
The Ringrose family evidently settled on its 60 acre grant (whose location is described in the entry for Arthur E.HILL)in 1865 but the rate collector didn't know much about them and failed to provide an initial for the surname which I guessed was Ringrove. The assessment of 1868 records the occupant of the 60 acres (i.e. 18B Kangerong) as Brian Ringrose.
It seems that this pioneer had been much concerned in public affairs at Smythesdale before coming to Red Hill, that is if his given name was Briant! After finding that Mr Ringrose was forever moving and seconding this and that according to a Ballarat newspaper, The Star, I came across an article on page 3 of the 23-5-1863 issue, which stated that Mr Briant Ringrose was the manager of the Great Trend Co. An advertisement on page 4 of the 18-2-1862 issue of The Star shows that Bryan Ringrose was the manager of the Reliance Gold Mining Company whose operations were to be at Scarsdale; however, he was later taken to court for not paying calls on his shares. After the accident mentioned below, Ringrose was taken to Scarsdale.
Mr Ringrose had been one of 18 men proposed by a meeting in 1861 for the municipal election of seven members. Smythesdale had much interest in communal activity and an exhibition was planned. In an article about the planning committee, an interesting item found underground by Mr Bryan Ringrose was mentioned. (The Star 19-9-1861.) Mr Ringrose was a member of the local Turf Club (13-9-1862 page 1s),and on the committee of the cricket club (1-11-1860 page 2). He was a manager or shareholder at several gold mining companies such as the Great Trend, the Reliance, the Mount Bute (The Star 3-11-1862 page 4)and, one would think, finally, the Cape Clear, where Bryan found he no longer had a nose for business. (Sorry Bryan, I deserve punishment for that one!)
It would be fortunate if our Red Hill pioneer had spent his previous time at Ballarat rather than in Tasmania (as Trove demonstrates) but not so fortunate if our Briant/Bryan Ringrose had moved to another mining company by November 1863; if so,he no longer had a nose. (The Star 25-11-1863 page 2.) This explosion took place at
Sprindallah where Bryan Ringrose had applied for a mining lease in 1861 but then withdrawn his application (The Star 5-11-1861, page 3.)
It would seem that Bryan Ringrose decided that a quiet farming life was better suited to a man who had been disfigured and moved to Red Hill within a year of his accident. After the article of 25-11-1863, there was no more mention of Bryan Ringrose of Smythesdale!
There is not yet proof that the Smythedale pioneer was also the Red Hill pioneer. I have not even found a Brian/Bryan Ringrose in genealogy websites apart from one in New Zealand. I have asked the historical society which covers Smythesdale if they have any record of Bryan Ringrose being still in that area in 1865. (See end of RINGROSE entry!)
Today, I traced the Ringrose grant year by year and these are my findings.
All entries relate to 60 acres of land in Kangerong.
2-9-1865. 1-9-1866. 1-9-1867. Ringrose (surname only) was assessed on 60 acres, Kangerong, a house being first mentioned in 1867 but probably there all the time.
5-9-1868. The given name, Brian, is recorded for the first time . The house had one room.
4-9-1869. The given name was altered with a stroke (/) to turn i into y. The house is not mentioned.
3-9-1870. There are no assessment numbers but the person to be rated is recorded as Bryan Ringrose.
2-9-1871. No Ass. No. After Bryan Ringrose's name that of William Hillas (sic) is written in inverted commas, probably indicating that William Hillis was leasing the 60 acres. William Hillis was not assessed on any other land (P.S.IN THE PARISH OF KANGERONG.)
7-9-1872. No Ringrose. No assessment numbers. William Hillis was assessed on the 60 acres under H. One would assume that he had bought the land but with these rate collectors it is dangerous to assume anything.
6-9-1873. No Ass.No. Under H, William J.Hillis is crossed out and Francis Hirst is written above it. The owner's name, Ringrose, is not forgotten as it was in 1872.
5-9-1874, 2-10-1875, 15-9-1876. Under H, Francis Hirst was assessed each time with the owner being, respectively: Ringrose, Bryan Ringrose and Blank! Had it been sold this time?
14-9-1877. No listing under H (Hirst) or R (Ringrove). Look at every assessment in Centre Riding for 60 acres Kangerong or Ringrose in "Owner" column. Job Sherwood was leasing the 60 acres from B.Ringrose.
27-7-1878. Job Sherwood still leasing from B.Ringrose. N.A.V. was 14 pounds. (I hadn't checked it previously but I did notice it had been 10 pounds earlier on.)
24-7-1879. Nothing under S. Nothing under R. Look through all centre riding assessments. Under D, Charles Daniel was recorded as leasing from B.Ringrose.
31-7-1880, 30-7-1881. Nothing under D. Check whole of centre riding again for 60 ac K or Ringrose in owner column. The property had been forgotten (see ASSESSMENTS entry) and at the very end it was noted, without an assessment number, that what looked like John Gawin was leasing from B.Ringrose. The 1881 entry was clearly John Galvin and he was a labourer but the owner column was blank. Had Galvin bought 18B Kangerong?
29-7-1882, 21-7-1883.(A.N. 276 and 275/150, in shire, in riding.) Occupant column blank but Bryan Ringrose was listed as the owner in both years. The 83-4 rates were paid by Mr Ellis on 26-5-1884. I think we can assume that Ellis meant Hillis.
19-7-1884. (Nothing near previous assessment numbers.) Check whole riding for 60 acres K or Ringrose in owner column. (A.N. 110.) William Kemp, orchardist, was leasing from B.Ringrose.
20-7-1885. Not one Kangerong property of 60 acres was listed. No Ringrose in owner column. This looks like it!
17-7-1886. I wrote nothing so the result must have been the same as for 1885.
16-7-1887. Between Rudduck (157) and Segrave (158) but with no assessment number or occupier name, Ringrose was listed as the owner. The rates were paid by Hillas (sic.)
Blank July, 1888. A.N.28. Ringrose in owner column.
Blank July, 1889. No 60 acres Kangerong assessed. Had it been absorbed into a large landholding or had the rate collector forgotten the property again? Hardly any entries in the owner column and no sign of Ringrose.
Blank July 1990. No 60 acres Kangerong or Ringrose. A retrospective examination re William Hillis made sense of a baffling entry in 1891. In 1890, William Hillis was assessed on 273 acres in Wannaeue and Kangerong; to the left of this description, in tiny numerals, 60 was written above 213 (A.N. 98.) One would assume that this meant 60 acres in Wannaeue and 213 acres in Kangerong but as I said before, with these rate collectors don't assume anything.
William Hillis was granted 23A Wannaeue on 12-11-1888 and 23B Wannaeue on 10-12-1885. The first consisted of 59 acres 3 roods and 34 perches and is roughly indicated by Melway 171 H, part J-6. The second consisted of 153 acres o roods and 36 perches and is indicated by 171 pt.J, and K, 5-6. With 40 perches making a rood and 4 roods making an acre, the total of these two allotments is 213 acres and 30 perches. Therefore the 60 acre block was in Kangerong. Segrave's 60 acres were in Flinders and the only other 60 acre block, apart from Bryan Ringrose's 18B Kangerong, was Henry Dunn's "Four Winds" but this had become 233 acres years earlier.Therefore the land on which William Hillis was assessed in 1890 should read: 60 acres, 18B Kangerong and 213 acres, 23 AB Wannaeue.
Blank July, 1991. William Hillas (sic) was assessed on 60 acres Wannaeue and Kangerong. Perhaps William had mortgaged his grants or they may have been sequestered so he only had Bryan Ringrose's grant but because the rate collector wasn't sure whether the 60 or the 213 acre land was in Wannaeue, he kept the Wannaeue and Kangerong tag.
Blank July 1992. William Hillis could have had 60 acres Kangerong (preceded by an ink blot that looked a bit like a one or 160 acres.
If our Bryan Ringrose was disfigured and not often seen in public, it seems that William Hillis was one of his few friends. The following is being placed here rather than in the HILLIS entry so that it can be seen in context regarding the information from the rate books.
Bruce Bennett states on page 22 of THE BUTCHER THE BAKER THE:
William Hillas (sic) owned land on the corner of Wilsons and Main Creek Rd (i.e. 23 AB Wannaeue) and 27 acres on the top of White Hill including Watermill Farm. He was named as a butcher in the 1884 rates and appears to have been Red Hill's first butcher.
While reading an extract from Joseph McIlroy's diary on page 19 of Sheila Skidmore's THE RED HILL, where Joseph mentioned staying the night at Mr Hillis's place while bringing a steer back from Frankston on 9-3-1881, I was thinking of the Wannaeue land and presumed that for some reason he had travelled via Eaton's Cutting. Now it is pretty clear that he had travelled up White Hill Rd from Moat's Corner and stopped near the McIlroys Rd corner. William Hillis may have been leasing S.P.Calder's much later grant. He could not have been on Bryan's 18B because John Galvin seems to have been there from July 1880 to July 1882.
I received the following reply from Margaret Roberts, Research Officer of the Woady Yaloak Historical Society. Dear ---, I have searched through all our records and I have reached the same conclusion as you. The Brian Ringrose who was at Red Hill is most probably the same one who was at Smythesdale/Browns/Scarsdale in the early 1860's. Did you notice there was also a Joseph Ringrose here as well? A brother or father maybe as they were involved in many of the same mining ventures.
As you have surmised I have found no records of either of them after the accident. The two doctors who attended the victims, Drs Foster and Saengar were two of the best doctors in the area. Dr Foster was at Piggoreet and would have been the closest doctor to the accident whereas Dr Saengar was at Scarsdale and would have been the next closest. Poor Dr Saengar was murdered in September 1865 by a deranged man in Scarsdale. Please note that Smythesdale has an S in the middle. I noticed that in your article on him in the Red Hill article you omitted it. Good history though, congratulations.
Thanks Margaret for all your trouble. Sorry about the missing S which I have now remedied.
by itellya on 2015-01-24 22:21:57
iF YOU THINK THAT IT'S FAR-FETCHED TO PRESUME THAT BRYAN RINGROSE MOVED FROM NEAR BALLARAT TO (OUR) RED HILL, HERE'S ANOTHER BLOKE THAT DID PRACTICALLY THAT. ONE OF HIS SONS, THE CRACK RIFLEMAN I THINK, WHO TOURED THE LAND AS A SORT OF BUFFALO BILL TO SHOW THAT A CERTAIN RIFLE OR AMMUNITION WAS SUPERIOR, MARRIED A Red Hill HUNTLEY GIRL.(Bill Huntley.)
DAVID MAIRS OF THE PARISHES OF BLACKWOOD AND BITTERN, VIC., AUST.
by itellya on 2012-08-26 10:51:08. page views: 1112, comments: 5
by janilye on 2015-01-28 14:35:20
Bryan Ringrose with the mining interests at Ballarat died at the Tibooburra Hospital in NSW on the 30th. December 1903.
I'm attempting to correct the impossible copy now.
by janilye on 2015-01-28 15:06:03
So no! not your Red Hill Ringrose
Here's your proof
by itellya on 2015-01-28 16:59:55
Fantastic find janilye. I'll have to pass it on to the historical society lady who replied to my email about Bryan. It seems likely that Bryan had moved away by 1885 (see assessments on 18B Kangerong.) This would fit in well with him settling in N.S.W.in about 1888. As the farm was obviously unoccupied and the current owner could not be determined, there might have been an assessment under O (for owner) in 1885/6 and 1886/7. This was standard procedure when a farm was unoccupied and the rate collector was unsure of its ownership. The Mrs Ringrose in George McLear's account book of 1865 (P.91 of Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA)could have been Bryan's mother. It stands to reason that Bryan did not marry but my assumption that he would have shunned public appearances was way off the mark,given his continued political activity post 1888.
Given his arrival in his new abode in N.S.W. soon after ownership of 18B Kangerong became unclear and the possibility that Mrs Ringrose of 1865 was Bryan's mother, it cannot be concluded that Bryan Ringrose of the Ballarat area and N.S.W. was not also the Red Hill pioneer. Perhaps Bryan's mother died circa 1884-5 and he, having probably been caring for her for some years,was free to experience adventure again.
by janilye on 2015-01-28 17:02:58
For those researching Bryan RINGROSE Esq., J.P (miner) he emigrated from Newark, Nottinghamshire, probably around 1853 for he did mention in a speech, he had been in Ballarat since 1853. He was on the Bench in Balranald and Broken Hill from abt. 1890.
I believe he had a relationship with Joseph RINGROSE for they both bought shares in the same mines. Joseph, also a miner, lived in Scarsdale, Lal Lal, Elaine and Geelong
NSW.BDM 3374/1904 RINGROSE BRYAN 73 YRS TIBBOBURRA TIBOOBURRA
STATE RECORDS NSW. Intestate Estate Case Papers
RINGROSE Bryan - 0001
REMARKS Miner Died Tibooburra Hospital Native of England
LOCATION OF FILE[10/27662]
His Auriferous Leases in Milparinka began 29 June 1896 until 26 August 1899
by janilye on 2015-01-28 17:31:34
I mean't to add that in 1913 Bryan Ringrose Esq., J. P. (miner) appeared in this list in Adelaide.UNCLAIMED MONEY which is how I knew he was from Newark, Nott. and also unsure of his relationship with Joseph if any.
by janilye on 2015-01-28 17:45:35
And in this speech HERE he says he had been a miner since 1853.
I've tagged quite a few years in the life of Bryan in Trove and
I am not able to find any mention of Red Hill in the miner's life
When he was writing A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA (published after his death), Colin McLear had no TROVE to help him and unfortunately Miss Maude Eaton of Dromana had died in her 90's two or more decades earlier, in 1956. He probably assumed that Watson had received some medical training before leaving America with Abraham Griffith Snr. (and his gold mining brother, Mr Eaton.)
The index in Colin's book reads in part:
Eaton, Mr [gold miner] 54,68,69,72, 114, 156
Eaton, Watson 69,72,114,121,132
Eaton's Cutting 79.
FROM MY LONG-NEGLECTED D.R.A.M.A. ON TROVE.(HISTORY OF DROMANA,ROSEBUD AND MILES AROUND.)
EATON. Watson Eaton and his previously unidentified brother (whom I’ll call P.U. for the moment) came to Australia from Philadelphia with the Griffiths and they farmed together on Jamieson’s Special Survey alongside settlers such as the McLears, Peateys and Clydesdales. Watson (had spent time studying medicine-WRONG) and was lauded for caring for the health of people far and wide before he died in 1877 following a fall while riding to a patient. He had settled on 150 acres on the west side of the south end of Eatons Cutting Rd and Rebecca Griffith, his executrix, received the grant. P. U. whose name was actually Bernard, had spent time on the gold fields, being at one stage a race* owner at Creswick. By the late 1880’s he was back in Dromana, operating a gold mine at the Tubbarubba diggings east of Moats Corner and employing the lads from the Moat, Peatey and Clydesdale families, which now lived near his mine. Bernard’s daughter, Maude, lived in Dromana until her death, her rates most likely being paid by Benjamin Eaton, a librarian who was possibly her brother. Harry Eaton must have been another brother. (*A race was a channel carrying water to mines for sluicing.)
The above was probably written in 2011 and I felt pretty smug. I don't like mysteries and after about six months I'd found the given name of Watson's gold mining brother. I did not expect an even more spectacular discovery. This is what I wrote on a "WANT TO EXPLORE DROMANA'S HISTORY?" sheet that I handed out to very appreciative families on the Dromana foreshore yesterday (Australia Day)in order to increase interest in the Dromana Historical Society museum.
"Watson Eaton,who served as the area's doctor for many years,never attended university or had any medical training but after his death in 1877 residents honoured his services with a marble memorial which can be seen in the museum."
The purpose of this journal is to provide a parking space for the article about an inquest etc. in which Watson testified that he'd never attended university or had any medical training. I have spent two fruitless hours trying to find it on trove, it is not in my Peninsula Dictionary,D.R.A.M.A. ON TROVE, or apparently in any of my journals. BUT I WILL NEVER GIVE UP.
POSTSCRIPT. Thursday, 19-2-2015.
I didn't give up my quest to find the article but eventually conceded that I would never find it using trove so last night I tried another tack. Extract from my comment at about 2 a.m. last night.
by itellya on 2015-02-18 09:11:44
THIS IS WHAT I'VE SPENT YEARS LOOKING FOR. I EVENTUALLY FOUND THE ARTICLE BY TRACING MY EARLY JOURNALS BACK TO WHERE I HAD GIVEN THE SOURCE FOR WATSON EATON'S ADMISSION AND IT WASN'T AT AN INQUEST AS I HAD THOUGHT.
THIS IS WHY I HADN'T FOUND IT ON TROVE.
A\ atson 1 aton a fauna neai rtnimna -
I have been pnetismg medicine foi the last
20 jems I mu not a icgistei.d pnctitionei
Neva was at a univasitj Iliac is no
dot toi ni the neighbourhood
AND IN ENGLISH!
Watson Eaton, a farmer near Dromana-
I have been practising medicine for the last 20 years. I am not a registered practitioner. Never was at a university. There is no doctor in the neighbourhood. (P.6,Argus,3-2-1873.) etc.
AN INVESTIGATION OF WHEN MAIN CREEK NEAR DROMANA, BECAME MAIN RIDGE, AND THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE DITTERICH FAMILY IN ITS METHODIST CHURCH.
FROM AN EMAIL.
Hopefully the articles below will help. If there is no mention of the Ditterich family in connection with the Main Ridge Methodist Church (none found on trove either), they might have been quiet "behind the scenes" adherents or had a Metho/Pressy mix like the McIlroys.
From my journal:
THE SHIRE OF FLINDERS, MORNINGTON PENINSULA ...
DITTERICH Arthur Ralph 1961-4
Extract from my journal, PIONEER PATHWAY, DROMANA.
WEDDING AT MAIN CREEK. Weddings are as a general rule interesting subjects, either to write or talk about, and the one at Main Creek on the 5th inst., was no exception to the rule. On that date, Miss Christiania Shand, (youngest daughter of Alexander and Charlotte Shand) of Main creek, was united in wedlock to Richard, (youngest son of Richard and Eliza Ditterich of Canterbury. The ceremony took place at noon, and was performed by the Rev R. Brown, of South Melbourne, assisted by the Rev E. Smith of Dromana. The marriage took place in a very picturesque part of the garden, underneath an arch of evergreens, nicely interwoven with flowers. The bride who was given away by her father, was most becomingly dressed in a cream fancy cashmere, trimmed with lace, white tulle veil, and wreath of orange blossoms. Mr J. Shand acted as best man, principal bridesmaid, Miss Ditterich dressed in white dress and blue sash. Miss A.Gunson in white dress and blue sash ; Miss A. Crichton white dress and pink ribbons ; Miss E. Barker, white dress and cream sash. At one o'clock about 50 guests sat down to the wedding breakfast. The tables fairly groaning beneath the weight of good things, which were provided. After the usual toasts had been proposed and responded to, and the Revs Brown and Smith had each made a short speech, the party adjourned to the lawn where the bride and bridegroom had their photographs taken by Mr Wright, of Flinders. Shortly after this the carriage was announced, which was to convey the newly wedded pair and a few of the friends to the railway station, and amid a shower of good wishes and rice the party drove off for Mornington. They will shortly proceed to St Arnaud, in which circuit Mr Ditterich is engaged. During the afternoon games were freely indulged in by the guests. The party breaking up shortly before 6 p.m., owing to the inclemency of the weather. Everybody thoroughly enjoying themselves. (P.3, Mornington Standard, 14-4-1892.)
They or their descendants obviously came back to Main Ridge. The Main Ridge Cricket Club, whose President, Jason Albress, is a descendant of a Rye pioneer, plays on the A.R. and F.Ditterich Reserve. Arthur Ralph Ditterich was a Flinders Shire councillor 1961-4. The Shand family was probably related to the Downward family of Mornington, Tubbarubba and Kangerong; Downward Shand 1915-17 and John Shand 1902-7 and 1916-23 were also councillors of the shire.
Bill Huntley told me that all the Shands had moved to Gippsland by 1920 and the Ditterich family may have taken over their property. The Shands may have had property near Warragul while still at Main Ridge; there was a Cr Ditterich in the Warragul Shire in the 1880's.
The Ditterich family was at Main Ridge by 1926 where F.Ditterich dominated with bat and ball for Main Ridge in their victory over Ray Cairns' Boneo, scoring 71 of 154 and taking 5 for 85 with the assistance of R.Ditterich who took 3 for 46.(P.18, Argus, 24-11-1926.) I now know why the Ditterich family returned to Main Creek and that the two cricketers were Frank and Ralph. You will remember that Rev. Richard Ditterich married Christiana Shand. Richard's preaching had taken him to Launceston where he died on 9-9-1928, dearly beloved husband of Christiana and loving father of Ralph, Frank, Howard and Keith*.(P.1, Argus, 10-9-1928.)
*P.S. Eric Keith Ditterich could possibly have been related to the Main ridge mob. David Ditterich of Dromana, might know.
1979 Birthday Honours - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Keith Owen Shipley, OBE, lately Special Adviser to the Chief Minister, Gilbert Islands. ..... The Reverend Eric Keith Ditterich, of Glen Iris, For service to the Uniting ...
Bill Huntley told me that John Shand had done a lot of surveying in Gippsland. That would explain how Alexander Jnr came to marry a Gippsland gal and one of his sisters married a Gippsland lad, Rev. Ditterich.
METHODIST CHURCH REV. DITTERICH FAREWELLED.
Daily Telegraph (Launceston, Tas. : 1883 - 1928) Friday 16 April 1926 p 5 Article
... METHODIST CHURCH REV. D1TTERICH PAREWELLED. MELBOURNE, Thursday. — Rev. R. Ditterich, chief ... take charge of the lead ing Methodist church in Launceston Tasmania, was farewelled at an! afternoon ... 118 words
DEATH OF THE REV. DR. DITTERICH. PROMINENT METHODIST CHURCHMAN. Launceston, September 9.
The Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1889 - 1931) Monday 10 September 1928 p 19 Article
... DEATH OF THE REV. DR. DITTERICH. PROMINENT METHODISTCHURCHMAN. Launceston, September 9. The death ... the Methodist Church in the Victorian and Tasmanian conference. when he accepted an Invitation to come ... 174 words
It would seem that Main Creek became Main Ridge in local vernacular by 1926 but it is not proven that the name change was official*. Was it in 1927 that the cricket club changed its name?
* POSTSCRIPT. THE FOLLOWING SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT THE NAME CHANGE OF MAIN CREEK TO MAIN RIDGE HAD BEEN MADE OFFICIAL BY THE START OF 1925.
Mrs. Eden White, who was successful In her tender for carrying the mail, from Main Ridge to Red Hill,
has started her duties. Mr. M. Dalcom, of Main Ridge, was the former carrier.--"Post."
(RED HILL. Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Wednesday 21 January 1925 p 1 Article.)
Knowing that post office information was sometimes the ONLY historical information about places on Wikipedia, I tried the MAIN RIDGE page but while it mentioned the name change,there was apparently never a post office. There does not appear to be a wikipedia entry for Main Ridge under its former name but the search uncovered an indication of how the place name applied to anyone living along the length of the creek from Bullocky Bob White near Whites Rd to the Tucks near Flinders.
Elizabeth Tuck 1847 - 1917 Main Creek, Victoria, Australia
WikiTree - Free Wiki Family Tree · login | register. no image ... Born March 7, 1847 in Main Creek, Victoria, Australia map. Daughter of Henry Tuck and Catherine ...
ROBERTS, MAIN CREEK/RIDGE.
FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENTS. DROMANA.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 19 September 1895 p 2 Article
... , of Main Creek, another old resident, joined the great majority last Tuesday week. Deceased had been ... was interred in the DromanaCemetery. A large number of people attended the funeral. Mr. C. Roberts
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 6 February 1926 p 20 Article
John Edward Roberts, aged 52 years, of Main
Ridge, Red Hill, near Dromana, orchadist, was
granted a decree nisi for the dissolution of his
marriage with Louisa Roberts, of Heidelberg road, Clifton Hill, on the ground of desertion.
DITTERICH, MAIN CREEK/ RIDGE.
WEDDING AT MAIN CREEK.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 14 April 1892 p 3 Article
... WEDDING AT MAIN CREEK. Weddings are as a general rule interesting subjects, either to write or talk ... about, and the one at MainCreek on the 5th inst., was no exception to the rule. On that date, Miss ...335 words
Text last corrected on 27 October 2012 by anonymous
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In Memoriam. MRS. CHARLOTTE SHAND.
Spectator and Methodist Chronicle (Melbourne, Vic. : 1914 - 1918)Wednesday 25 July 1917 p 793 Article
... , of Main Creek, Dromana, entered into rest ori June 2nd, in her ninetieth year. Born in Tiverton ... , while 'her' youngest daughter is the. wife of the Rev. R. Ditterich. One other daughter -
COUNTRY CRICKET CONFERENCE.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Thursday 10 December 1925 p 7 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides
... , Greaves 15, Beck IS; Radford six for II, Ditterlch two for 21) defeatedMain Creek 131 (F. Ditterich 01, R ... . Ditterich 10; Maine three for S3, Cleino two for 1, Hansford two for 31).
SHAND, MAIN CREEK /MAIN RIDGE.
In Memoriam. MRS. CHARLOTTE SHAND.
Spectator and Methodist Chronicle (Melbourne, Vic. : 1914 - 1918)Wednesday 25 July 1917 p 793 Article
... , of Main Creek, Dromana, entered into rest ori June 2nd, in her ninetieth year. Born in Tiverton ... In Memoriam. MRS. CHARLOTTESHAND. . ' . ) Charlotte^ Sliand, wido w of the late Alexander Shand ... 332 words
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Friday 23 April 1897 p 3 Article
... of I. Roberts E.q. Main Creek, Dromana Mrs Shand, Dromina 1 Mrsafohn D. CaUnea,.Bomaeo.. 2 Homie ... 3499 words
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 11 November 1939 p 4 Family Notices
... Alexander and Charlotte Shand, of Main Ridge. Dromana, dearly beloved uncle of Anne Milne, in his 81st yeur ... Interred Williams-town Cemetery ) WADSWORTH-On the 9th November nt Stawell Rowland Henry of Main street ... 6801 words
THE FIVE DIFFERENT FAMILIESWERE:
1.A Wilson family in Mornington from which one parent of Charles Bowman Wilson came.
2. Descendants of BONNIE WILLIAM OF DUNDEE, one of which, a "Tuerong Station" Wilson, was a parent of Charles Bowman Wilson.
3.Descendants of Sarah Wilson as detailed in Petronella Wilson's GIVING DESTINY A HAND.
4.Descendants of butcher turned bullocky turned butcher,Henry William Wilson, and Thamer (nee Burdett, both of whom are buried in Dromana Cemetery) as documented in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA and LIME LAND LEISURE.
5.Descendants of G.M.Wilson who fought in the Boer War, married Jane,the daughter of Charles Graves Snr,(pioneer on Jamieson's Special Survey, Shoreham storekeeper and owner of "Woodlands" in the parish of Flinders.)
Re 1. I don't document families in places with historical societies but Val Wilson might have details on her excellent Mornington Cemetery website. I can't recall whether this family provided Charlie's mother or father.
Re 2. From Val Wilson's website.
John Bowman Wilson
John Bowman Wilson,John Bowman Wilson, William Sorell Wilson (photos.)
John Bowman Wilson was born in Tasmania on the 10th of October, 1830, and arrived in Victoria in 1857 with his wife Agnes and family, to try his luck on the Castlemaine goldfields.
John was also accompanied by his brother William Sorell Wilson and his family, who were on their way to manage ‘Truganina’, a property in Derrimut, Victoria.
By 1863, the family had moved to the Mornington Peninsula where, in 1869, John and William purchased ‘Tuerong’. John certainly did not have much luck farming because he became insolvent in 1880 and sold ‘Tuerong’ back to his brother and his own son, Edwin.
The property is now largely subdivided into extensive vineyards, notably Red Hill Estate, Dromana Estate, Tuerong Estate and others. The freeway to Rosebud now passes through where the original property stood.
John Bowman died on the 13th of February, 1893, aged 62 and Agnes died a year later, aged 61. They are buried together in the Mornington cemetery.
With the exception of little Agnes Eliza Wilson, who is buried in the Castlemaine cemetery (died at age 2½ yrs), all of John Bowman and Agnes Eliza’s eleven children grew up and married and had their families, so that the Wilson family is today still well represented by the Victorian descendants of William Hartley Wilson and his wife Margaret (nee Bowman) - John and William's parents.
John’s ninth child, Chas, is also buried in Mornington Cemetery. John's grandson, Charles Bowman Wilson, who was born on 10 November 1903, became the Shire President of Mornington, and the C.B. Wilson Reserve on Wilsons Road in Mornington is named after him.
See much more in:
Stories 2 | Bonnie William - Bonnie William from Dundee
... Hastings farms of William Sorell Wilson & Family · Tuerong, Murder, Mystery, ... the Bonnie William clan to bring to our attention stories and documents about ...
Re 3. See my journals about Sarah (including how she led me to Henry Tuck),George Young and the Connells of Moorooduc as Petronella's book may not be borrowed. Names: LAURISSEN JOHNSON CHANGED TO JOHNSTONE, GOMM, CONNELL ETC.
Re 4. See sources quoted or google WILSON THAMER BURDETT GODFREY STENNIKEN to find a few of my journals about the family, and WILSON TOWNSEND MOUTH TO MOUTH for an extraordinary tale about the saving of a Wilson lad.
Re 5. Former councillor David Jarman started it all off when he suggested that I contact Peter Hemphill about the BACK TO RED HILL, adding that Peter was a "(grandson of Jerve Wilson) orchardist who served in the Boer war." Peter didn't know of any relationship to Sarah Wilson's descendants and Jean Rotherham told me to check with Bev Laurissen who was quite sure there wasn't one. I thought that Boer War records might give details about the soldier's parents but I couldn't find his service record.
That was when janilye came to the rescue.
And this is what I wrote to Peter.
Your grandfather may not have been a descendant of Sarah Wilson, pioneer on Jamieson's Special Survey, but your grandmother was the daughter of Charles Graves, who with a partner named Brown-Lee (according to a heritage study) leased the whole survey in 1851 when Henry Dunn's lease expired.
Charles was a hawker who travelled to Melbourne to buy goods that he would sell all over the peninsula, including the Cairns family's "Little Scotland" on the north east corner of Browns and Boneo Rds. His partner in the hawking business was Mary McLear whose husband had been killed near the Plenty River at the end of 1849; she arrived on the survey shortly after Charles Graves. Young George McLear helped by taking a change of horse to Frankston when Charles was coming back from Melbourne and his brother Bill accompanied Charles on one amusing visit to Little Scotland.(Pages 99,.34-5 A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.)
Charles bought and fenced the property at Dromana which became the McLear family's "Maryfield" before becoming a storekeeper at Shoreham and a landholder in the parish of Flinders. As soon as I saw janilye's statement that your grandfather married Jane Graves, I knew who would be her father. Two death notices for Jane's brother prove that it was Charles Graves senior, the former hawker.
by janilye on 2015-01-25 16:18:36
Good heavens all this chasing your tails when you should have asked me!!
His name was Gervaise Maison Wilson and his service number was 508.
You'll find him on the Nominal Roll page 248.
All information is held at the Australian War Memorial which is now all online or a phone-call away.
Happy Australia Day.
by janilye on 2015-01-25 16:28:37
NAME: Gervaise Mason Wilson
BIRTH YEAR: abt 1880
DEATH PLACE: Dromana, Victoria
FATHER'S NAME: Alfred
MOTHER'S NAME: Flora Hunt
REGISTRATION YEAR: 1965
REGISTRATION PLACE: Victoria
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 20045
SPOUSE: Christian Jane Graves married 1908
by janilye on 2015-01-25 16:50:32
I see he was listed in the electoral rolls as Gervase Mason, however on his enlistment into the 3rd. Contingent the spelling of his name was Gervaise Maison.
Private Wilson was invalided back to Australia om 2 May 1901
Off to War.
by itellya on 2015-01-25 17:46:46
Thanks janilye, you're a marvel!
GRAVES.- On the 19th September, 1929, at Corowa (N.S.W ), Charles, son of the late Charles and Jane Graves, brother of T.J. Graves, Mrs J Symonds (Flinders), and Mrs G M Wilson (Red Hill), formerly of Flinders and Mornington.
GRAVES.-On the 19th September at Barina, Corowa, Charles, beloved brother of Isabella (Mrs Symonds), Thomas, and Jane (Mrs Wilson), aged 58 years, late of Flinders, Victoria.
(P.1, Argus, 20-9-1929.)
Extract from my journal:
RED HILL NEAR DROMANA (VIC., AUST.) POST 1940 and proposed BACK TO RED HILL.
GRAVES' (c/a 15, section A,Flinders,s/w corner Punty Lane and Tucks Rd. Only 190 acres. Melway 255 J5, H6, fronting the north west side of Punty Lane with the western boundary being from the creek in the exact centre of G6 to a point almost opposite 425 Tucks Rd.In 1900, Charles Graves Snr and Jnr were assessed on 374 acres, Flinders. I cannot establish where the other 184 acres were. )
A little farther along the road toward the coast we come to "Woodlands," a property of nearly 400 acres, belonging to Mr Graves, a very old resident of the district. Besides having a large orchard and garden, the
owner of "Woodlands" goes in largely for poultry farming. Mr Graves also conducts one of the oldest storekeeping businesses in the southern part of the Mornington Peninsula. The property is in good order and crops of any sort should grow well in the rich chocolate soil.
(P.2, Mornington Standard,20-9-1902.AROUND FLINDERS.)
See A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA re Charles Graves and his business partnership with Mary McLear before moving to Shoreham.
It is very difficult to ascertain the first use of present names of streets and roads in the shire on trove. There would be no record of why streets were so named, so assumptions need to be made. Unfortunately,it is very highly unlikely that Joseph Banks' botanist mate, who climbed Arthurs Seat with Flinders, was the person being honoured.
I believe that the Rye end of the road, where James Little Brown turned burrows and scrub into beautiful pasture was first named, with perhaps other names applied east of Weeroona St. Later it would have made sense to apply one name to the whole length of the road as seems to have happened between Truemans Rd and Rye where Guest St, named after the family of Ray and Alma Guest,extends outside the Almaray Estate into the pre-emptive right and east into Alf Doig's Oceanaire Estate.
When Flinders (and Kangerong till 1914)Shire let contracts for roadworks they would state how many chains and the names of residents at each end of the stretch of road BECAUSE VERY FEW ROADS HAD NAMES.
As late as 1943, some roads still had different names than they bear today and they were probably not official. See George Hill's death notice below. Rye Rd was most likely today's Melbourne Rd.
HILL.-On April 28, at his residence, Rye road, Sorrento. George, dearly beloved husband of Elizabeth, loving father of Lucy(Mrs. Waldon) Ethel (Mrs. Cain), William, Charles, Arthur, Bob, Mary (Mrs. Aslin), Eric, Len, aged 77.(P.2, Argus, 29-4-1943.)
Eastbourne Rd in Rosebud was called Ford's Lane in about 1902 because Cr William Ford had owned the 660 acre Wannaeue Station on its south side from Jetty Rd(the road near the state school) to Boneo Rd (which was known as the Flinders road) a couple of decades earlier. By 1920 Jack Raper, a former Essendon Football Club player and official, whose embarrassing surname was pronounced by Rosebud oldtimers as Roper, owned the Wannaeue Estate and the road was called Roper's Lane. It is now named after S.S.Crispo's grants, which he named Eastbourne and where he wanted the new nation's capital to be sited and named Federanium. Edward Williams, whose new homestead (17 WILLIAM Crescent- how stupid!) was built a few years after his mate's death,retain Crispo's name for the property.
In about 1904 when Robert Henry Adams and Back Road Bob Cairns were having a huge drainage dispute, today's Bayview Rd was called Hobson's Flat road by Robert Anderson of Barragunda, Cape Schanck (to which the road led, meeting today's Boneo Rd at Melway 253 C 9-10.) (P.2, Mornington Standard, 29-10-1904.)
Weeroona St, Rye was called Jennings Road, after the family went to Rye from Camperdown and bought land rehabilitated by James Little Brown to establish "Kariah". It was between Weeroona Rd and Dundas St (which was originally known as Browns Rd.)
It is unknown when Dundas St became known as Browns Road but one would suspect that it was after the c.1909 arrival of JAMES LITTLE BROWN.
FROM MY SHIRE OF FLINDERS JOURNAL.(Councillor entries.)
BROWN James Little J.P. 1915-22
(Postscript. Despite being called John in a long succession of assessments, the man after whom Browns Rd was named was James Little Brown.)
ROSEBUD. Mr J. L. Brown, who is opposing Mr Marsden in the West riding of the Flinders and Kangerong Shire, addressed the ratepayers on Tuesday evening. (P.3, Mornington Standard, 29-8-1914.)
At the last meeting of the Shire Council Councillor A.D.Forbes of the East Riding and Councillor J.L.Brown of the West Riding announced their intention of not seeking re election. The president (Councillor Macfarlan) and other councillors expressed regret at the announcements. In the Central Riding Councillor Wettenhall is opposed by Mr Holland of "The Rest" Flinders,and the contest is likely to be very keen.
(P.14, Argus, 17-8-1923, BALNARRING.)
LIME LAND LEISURE discusses at great length how James Little Brown arrived in Rye in 1909 on a pushbike, having previously been in the Mallee. He noted how similar the ti tree and rabbit infested area south of Rye was to King Island and bought much land that had passed into the hands of creditors. Patricia Appleford's RYE PRIMARY SCHOOL 1667, gives the same information but adds more detail.
Jim stayed for 18 days with Robert Rowley on the west side of Truemans Rd, south of Trueman's grant.Then he went to Melbourne and bought 1500 acres from banks and trust companies. In very short time, land was cleared, burned, fenced and sown with grass. The wire netting fences kept rabbits out and those trapped inside could not escape the inevitable.Overseen by James Cain and Robert Myers, well were dug and windmills installed to pump water into concrete troughs.
Within 12 months, Jim was selling fattened beef cattle. The rate collector may have made a mistake in 1910, unless Jim had a son called John. John H.Little Brown was assessed on:
245 acres (33AB, 35), 164 acres (29A), 102 acres (28A), 95 acres (26A) all in Wannaeue, and a total of 853 acres in the parish of Nepean (west of Weeroona Rd.)The strange thing is that there was no member of the Brown family assessed in the Wannaeue parish part of West Riding in 1919, with one exception! The location of each piece of Wannaeue land, with the name of the grantee, follows.
35, 173 acres, P.Sullivan, Melway 168 H-J11-12, 251H-J1,adjoining The Dunes.
33A, 148 acres, P.Sullivan, 251 J 2-3, K3.
33B, 40 acres, J.B.Davies, 251, K2.
29, 164.5 acres, J.Spunner, 252 D1-3.
26A, 21.5 acres, W.A.Blair Jnr, bottom third of 252 F-G 1 with a 228 metre frontage to the west side of Truemans Rd and extending to the east boundary of the Eagle Ridge Golf Course. The rate collector had it wrong; Crown allotment 26, granted to Edward Ford, consisted of 95 acres 2 roods and 20 perches and was obviously the land being assessed..
26, 95 acres, E.Ford, 252 G2-3, with frontages of 784 metres to Truemans Rd and 334 metres to Limestone Rd.
The rate collector took the easy way out by writing only "853 acres Nepean".
It is stated in LIME LAND LEISURE that the first land that James Little Brown improved was south of Rye Township between Dundas St and Weeroona Rd. Whether this included suburban lots 10,11 and 12 of the township (roughly 200 acres) which became the Ryelands Estate (McDonald's former golf course) is unclear, but a map in the book seems to indicate that it adjoined the cemetery. South of the Golf Pde corner were crown allotments 4, 20 and 21 of the parish of Nepean, a total of 374 acres,212 acres of which became Dod Jennings' Kariah in 1914. (See below for clarification.)
This SEEMS tobe blatantly incorrect, as does the claim that it was James Little Brown doing all the reclamation. There is only one mention of James Brown in the rates and that was in 1919, a decade after the reclamation commenced! John L.Brown was written as the ratepayer to be assessed on crown allotments 1, 2, 3 and buildings section 5 (under the heading of RYE, FOLIO 95, ASSESSMENT NUMBER 1882.) John is crossed out and James written above it. (I assumed that James was either the father or son of John Little Brown. If John was a rate collector's error, it is hard to imagine it being repeated for ten years. It was! See below.)
To confirm the claim that Brown arrived and bought land in 1909, I checked the 1909-10 assessments and found the Wannaeue details as in 1910 but also details of the land in the parish of Nepean; there were no entries for 1908-9. The Nepean details were:
24, granted to J.Purves, 99 acres, Melway 251 E1, fronting Dundas St, adjoining The Dunes.
17, 18, James Purves, 282 acres, Melway 168 B-D11,fronting Browns Rd, adjoining Ocean Reserve.
25, J.Purves, 82 acres, Melway 251E1, fronting Dundas St.
26, J.Purves, 111 acres, Melway 251 F2, fronting Dundas St.
32, John Cain, 176 acres(actually about 27 acres), Melway 167 F5, Miller, Topaz and Bath Sts to Harleian St.(See correction below.)
10, 11, Owen Cain, 103 acres (actually 177 acres), Melway 167, J-K 3-4, south to Fern St playground.
Section 5 of Rye Township is that area bounded by Collingwood St, Napier St, Ballabil St (and the south boundary of Kanasta Caravan Park) and Dundas St. James Brown was occupying the whole of section 5's 13 acres in 1919, after his name had replaced John's, and it may well have been the first area restored by James Little Brown but every other piece of land was supposedly turned into beautiful pasture by John Little Brown. Danny Jennings thinks that the Brown homestead on section 5, which is still standing, is 1 May Ave.
I have followed the progress of John Little Brown in 1909, 1914, 1917 and 1919 as he transformed rabbit and ti tree wastelands into this beautiful pasture. By 1914, he only had 202 of the 853 acres on which he had been assessed in the parish of Nepean, part of Owen Cain's Tyrone. He still had it in 1917 but not in 1919.By 1914, he had added land, south of Limestone Rd in the parish of Fingal. This land consisted of crown allotments:
5B, granted to E.Ford, 63 acres, Melway 252 H-J4, bounded by Limestone and Sandy Rds; a maze ing!
8B, granted to J.L.Brown on 1-12-1916, Melway 252 G7, fronting Maxwells Rd from No.131 to about a third of the way between No.180 and No.239. The Fingal land was retained in 1917 but sold by 1919.
By 1916, 28 AB and 29 Wannaeue were occupied by James and John Orr of "Kia Ora", Broadmeadows (Melway 5 H4.) By 1919 the 323 acres were occupied by Tommy Loft who had land at Greenvale, moving shortly afterwards to "Dalkeith" at Tullamarine (Melway 15 G-H 1-2.) Tommy started the Tullamarine Progress Association and was the Methodist Sunday School Superintendent for umpteen years; the late Ray Cairns remembered Tommy fondly.
JUSTICES OF THE PEACE MELBOURNE , Monday. The following were appointed justices of the peace at the meeting of the State Executive Council today: J. L. Brown of Rye, T. Falls, Caulfield. Central Bailiwick; II. S. &ï¿½~btnoo etc.(P.4, The Ballarat Courier, 10-10-1916.)
SWAN HILL HOSPITAL MONTHLY MEETING. The monthly meeting of the committee of management of the Swan Hill District Hospital was held on Friday night. Present-Messrs. Chas. t M'Donald (in the chair), ,W? Moore, J.. a Wright, T. M. Ghisholm, P.-Real and F.' arris. Correspondence. From J. L. Brown, Rye, in relation to septic tanks, and stating that tanks at certain hotels and other places at Sorrento were given satisfaction. -Mr. Brown to be thanked for the information supplied. (P.2,Swan Hill Guardian and Lake Boga Advocate, 16-8-1915.)
This seems to indicate that Brown had retained links with the Mallee town. I'm sure the journalist was responsible for the use of given instead of giving.
FLINDERS AND KANGERONG SHIRE. Mr Brown, Rye, applying for wire netting.-To be attended to.(P.4, Mornington Standard, 11-3-1911.)
Railways Standing Committee at Flinders. The members of the above committee-Messrs Cameron (chair man), Hicks, Melville, Billson, Ward and Hutchinson-visited Flinders on the sth inst, to take evidence on the question of railway extension on the Peninsula. Though the notice was short the residents submitted a splendid exhibition of all varieties. The fodder, root crops, and vegetables were remarkable ; and if anything, superior to those forward at any local show. The general and comprehensive exhibits of Messrs Barger and Buchanan were conclusive proof of the suitability of the district for a wide variety of products of the highest quality. Messrs Higgins, Kennedy and Davies submitted fine samples, and Mr D. Cairns showed one stool of wheat showing 64 stalks. Mr Brown's mellilotis grown on the hitherto useless sand drives at Rye was much admired.
(P.3, Mornington Standard, 15-2-1915.)
I rang Linda Berndt to check on the ancestry of Cr Graeme Jennings and as an afterthought, asked if she knew anything about John/James Little Brown. She did!
James Brown's father was James L.Brown (c. 1821-Nov.1895)and his mother was Jane (nee McGuffie, c.1825-March 1911.) James was their first child, born in 1866 at Glenlyon, but was virtually an only child because Robert (c.1868-5-9-1869) died in infancy. The Rye pioneer's parents and brother were buried at Glenlyon.
In 1903,James was enrolled as a voter at both Bunyip South and Swan Hill; Jane Brown, possibly his mother, also being enrolled at Swan Hill. In 1909 he was described as a grazier and enrolled at Bunyip South and Bendigo, his address at the latter being Bayne St, as it was for Jane Brown.
James Little Brown married Margaret Annie Short in 1911. She was the sister of Rye identity, Tommy Short, who used to drive all the Rye youngsters to dances at Boneo etc. See pioneers' recollections in RYE PRIMARY SCHOOL 1667. This year also saw the death of James' mother, Jane. His wife's name was recorded as Anne Margaret or Annie Margaret on electoral rolls in 1911 (Rye), 1919 (Rye), 1924 ("Inverleigh", Thomas St, Dandenong),
1931, 1936, 1937 (5 Trentham St, Sandringham, 1936, 1937, and 1942 (88 Bay Rd, Sandringham.) In 1954, James was still living at 88 Bay Rd but Margaret's name was not on the electoral roll.
Thank you Linda!
Further rate research revealed the following.
J.L.Brown must have told the rate collector in 1911 that his name was actually JAMES because John was crossed out and James written very faintly above it (Assessment No.823.) Too faintly it seems because when he was preparing the next assessment, he must have missed the alteration and perpetuated the "John" myth. It seems that James was sick of this nonsense by 1919 when John was again crossed out and replaced with James. You'd think the rate collector would know the councillors' names, wouldn't you?
The 1911-12 rates also demonstrated the new occupants of the many properties that Jim Brown had remediated. My notemaking is unclear about William Dawson but he seemed to have had part of 35 Wannaeue. George Ball had 245 acres(33a,b and 35 Wannaeue), and 176 acres(32 Wannaeue-see below.) Jim Woonton had 164 acres (29), 102 acres (28A), and 95 acres (26A), all in Wannaeue. In 1912-13, George Ball had 245 acres, Andrew Leonard Ball* 214 acres, and Andrew, George and Hector Ball 261 acres.
Crown allotment 32 Wannaeue was not mentioned previously because the rate collector called it 32 Nepean in 1909 (assessment number 714.) This land consisted of 176 acres as the rate collector stated; he just had the parish wrong!Granted to J.A.Jenner in 1877, it fronts the east side of Springs Lane and the north side of Limestone Rd, its northern boundary adjoining The Cups Vineyard and Winery and its east boundary indicated by the west end of Kingston Heath. (Melway 252 B 1-3.)
When James Little Brown first arrived in Rye, he stayed with Robert Rowley for a while. The connection between the Doigs and Rowleys took place in the Mallee, and also the Shaws and Rowleys but I had assumed that was post world war 1. James obviously knew Robert before he arrived. It is possible that the family of J.L.Brown had previously lived on the Peninsula. James was obviously as keen to hear Robert Rowley's stories as Robert was to tell them. Thank you to Steve Johnson for another gem.
9th September 1924
"NO GOOD DAMPER INN."
TO THE EDITOR OF THE ARGUS.
Sir,-In the interesting article, "The Gippsland Mystery," on Saturday, by Ernest McCaughan, it is stated that a party of five whites and ten blacks were sent out under the leaderhip of De Villiers, an ex police officer who kept the extraordinary named No Good Damper Inn. Apropos of this, a story was related to me by the late Robert Rowley, then of Rye (a very old colonist who had known Buckley, the wild white man). The story, which may be of interest, is that about the year 1840 lime was being burnt about Sorrento and Rye. A layer of sheoak logs was laid on the ground, then a layer of limestone. Another layer of logs, then again stone, and so on, until there was a considerable stack. Fire was next applied. By this rough and ready, though wasteful, system, lime used in the building of early Melbourne was then burned. The lime was then "slacked", afterwards sieved through a fine sieve, and forwarded to Melbourne by ketch. One of these old windjammers had the misfortune to go aground near the site of Frankston. The lime was taken off undamaged, stacked, and care- fully covered a little way from the shore. A number of blacks were in the vicinity.
They had had some little experience of the white fellow's flour. When they found the lime, sieved and done up in small bags under a tarpaulin, they were sure they had got the genuine article in plenty. So they mustered in force, took away all they possibly could, and, fearing pursuit, did not stop running till they put about 12 miles between them and the stack of lime. The blacks then mixed their flour with water upon their 'possum rugs and put the dough in the ashes to bake, the result being spoiled rugs and bad damper. In the words of Mr. Rowley, "they called that place Dandenong," which means "no good damper.
-Yours, &c., J. L. BROWN, Sandringham, Sept. 8.
TO KNOW, KNOW, KNOW YOU
IS TO LOVE, LOVE, LOVE YOU.
So go the lyrics of a well-remembered song from my youth.
I know Dandenong,firstly as a place I passed through on my way to Bunyip holidays as a child. Secondly,in the 1980's when, as a 40 year old, I had the pleasure of boundary umpiring V.F.A. at Shepley Reserve and was captivated by the play of numbers 11, 21 and 31, one of whom was the great Darren Millane's brother.
Unfortunately Wikipedia's well-documented articles about places such as Dande do not inspire love.
Prior to the European settlement of Australia, the flat to undulating land was densely forested with red gum and was inhabited by the Woiwurrung Indigenous Australian tribe.
The name is generally thought to be derived from the Woiwurrung word "Tanjenong" meaning "lofty mountains" possibly referring to the nearby Dandenong ranges.
Another popular theory is that the name comes from 'bad flour', or 'no good damper'. A local tale revolves around local aboriginals obtaining a bag of lime and mistakenly using it to make damper. An old local hotel was the 'No Good Damper Inn'.
A third version has the name Dandenong coming from 'a burning' and 'the past' reflecting bushfires on the Dandenongs.
Joseph Hawdon established a pastoral run on Narra Narrawong in 1837, bringing cattle from Sydney by land. Soon a few timber cutters and a police camp were also located there. Dandenong Post Office opened on 1 July 1848.
By 1850, the whole area had been taken up for grazing. Dandenong Creek was first bridged in 1840. A road was made from Melbourne, making Dandenong, by the late 1850s, an important staging post for travellers into Gippsland. It became known as the 'gateway to Gippsland'. A township was surveyed in 1852. Milling of the red gum timber became an important industry, and charcoal burning, tanning, quarrying and brick making also flourished. A livestock market was established in 1866.
The Western Port Aboriginal Protectorate Station was located north-east of Dandenong from 1840 to 1844. This area had been an important meeting and ceremonial site for Aboriginal tribes. The Native Police Corps established its headquarters there until its disbandment in 1852. The Police Paddocks were then used for breeding and resting police horses.
By 1861, there were 40 houses in the township housing 193 people. Dandenong Shire was proclaimed in 1873. The Australian Handbook records the progress of the town by 1875.
The Dandenong Town Hall, Lonsdale Street, was built in Free Classical style in 1890 as the combined Shire Hall, Courthouse and Mechanics Institute, at a cost of about 12,000 pounds. The architects were Beswicke and Hutchins and the contractor McCullogh and McAlpine. The two-storey, stucco rendered brick building, on a bluestone base course, features a lofty, Mansard-roofed, corner clock tower and projecting end wings with serlian motif windows and capped by pedimented niches.
LET'S SEE WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT THE ROMANCE OF DANDENONG'S HISTORY.
DROMANA AND NELSON RUDDUCK.
One would hardly expect a history of Dromana to provide details about Dandenong pioneers,but Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA does. It tells of Samuel Rudduck's arrival and land purchases in various areas; the later arrival of his son,Nelson,who was carting between Dandenong and Gippsland when he met Jane Sophia, daughter of a Mr Chapman who had been a pioneer on Tullamarine Island until a disastrous hay stack fire occurred, and was running a pub at Springvale; the move of Jane and Nelson to Dromana in about 1871; and the artistic talent of Fred Warren whose work graced Methodist churches in Dande and Dromana.
ROBERT ROWLEY AND NO GOOD DAMPER.
By the early 1900's the backblocks of Rye were rabbit and ti-tree infested. James Little Brown, whose family I believe had earlier lived in the area, transformed the disaster area in quick time into the beautiful pasture one sees during a drive along Browns Rd. Upon arrival at Rye, he stayed for about a fortnight with Robert Rowley who had burnt lime near the Heads with Henry Cadby Wells, renowned later as a Frankston pioneer. Imagine the two men chatting by the fire-side about the old days.
"NO GOOD DAMPER INN."
TO THE EDITOR OF THE ARGUS.
Sir,—In the interesting article, "The Gippsland Mystery," on Saturday, by Ernest McCaughan, it is stated that a
party of five whites and ten blacks were sent out under the leadership of De Villiers, an ex-police officer who kept the extra-ordinary named No Good Damper Inn.
Apropos of this, a story was related to me by the late Robert Rowley, then of Rye (a very old colonist who had known Buckley, the wild white man). The story, which may be of interest, is that about the year 1840 lime was being burnt about Sorrento and Rye. A layer of sheoak logs was laid on the ground, then a layer of limestone. Another layer of logs, then again stone, and so on, until there was a considerable stack. Fire was next applied. By this rough and ready, though wasteful,system, lime used in the building of early Melbourne was then burned. The lime was then "slacked", afterwards sieved through a fine sieve, and forwarded to Melbourne by ketch.
One of these old wind-jammers had the misfortune to go aground near the site of Frankston. The lime was
taken off undamaged, stacked, and carefully covered a little way from the shore. A number of blacks were in the vicinity. They had had some little experience of the white fellow's flour. When they found the lime, sieved and done up in small bags under a tarpaulin, they were sure they had got the genuine article in plenty. So they
mustered in force, took away all they possibly could, and, fearing pursuit, did not stop running till they put about 12 miles between them and the stack of lime.
The blacks then mixed their flour with water upon their 'possum rugs and put the dough in the ashes to bake, the result being spoiled rugs and bad damper. In the words of Mr. Rowley, "they called that place Dandenong," which means "no good damper. —Yours, &c., J. L. BROWN
Sandringham, Sept. 8. (P.4, Argus,9-9-1924.)
DR FARQUHAR McCRAE'S HASTY EXIT.
Two of Dandenong's streets are named after Dr Farquhar McCrae and John Fitgerald Leslie (Alphabetical)Foster. That is because the latter bought the Eumemmering run from the former. The deal did not go smoothly because the doctor had dudded Foster in some way. Foster challenged the doc to a duel and he fled to Sydney. Foster and his older brother William had another run called Leslie Park from 1840 in the parishes of Doutta Galla and Tullamarine. In 1843, William bought pre-emptive rights in both parishes straddling Sharps Rd and called his property "Springs". John bought land between Fosters Rd (now called Keilor Park Drive) and the Saltwater River which he called Leslie Banks.
Dr McCrae was an early grantee in the parish of Jika Jika, naming his property (bisected by today's Moreland Rd)after a family plantation in the West Indies called Moreland. However, the Doc had this farm managed by future Bulla pioneer, Michael Loeman, and bought "La Rose" on which he built the core of the historic bluestone WENTWORTH HOUSE on the north corner of Mitchell Pde and Le Cateau St(Melway 29 B1.) But then came the challenge from Alphabetical and Coiler Robertson bought La Rose.
The story of the challenge came from a history (possibly Richard Broome's BETWEEN TWO CREEKS, a history of Coburg), not trove, and I may never find an article about it. But the cause of it is easy to believe because Farquhar even reneged on repaying a loan that his brother, Andrew had given him,probably the reason Andrew was forced to become a squatter on Arthurs Seat circa 1843. The story described the doc's hasty departure for Sydney; is there any evidence of this? I did a "Dr Farquhar McCrae,Sydney" search on trove refined to the 1840's.
"McCrae Farquhar, M. D. Melbourne" was on a list of those qualified to give medical evidence at coroners" inquests.(The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1803 - 1842) Saturday 22 January 1842 p 4.) However he must have departed Melbourne soon afterwards because he landed a job as surgeon at the Sydney infirmary and dispensary when it opened in 1845*(SYDNEY DISPENSARY AND INFIRMARY.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Thursday 29 January 1846 p 2 Article.)
Election of medical officers to the Sydney Infirmary and ...
Announcement of Dr. McCrae's candidature for the office of Surgeon to the Sydney Infirmary, about to be established, including his testimonials.)
*If I remember the Wentworth House heritage citation, Coiler Robertson was associated with "La Rose'from 1845.)
Did I remember the duel story correctly? I did read it nearly a quarter of a century ago!
Casey Cardinia - links to our past: Eumemmerring Run
Oct 29, 2012 - Foster also, in 1843, challenged Dr McCrae to a pistol duel over a land ... acres (747 hectares) in the Parish of Eumemmerring when he died.
The above website states that Foster held the run till 1842 when the lease was transferred to Edward Wilson (later owner, with the same partner, and editor, of The Argus, who retired because of blindness,to part of the Glengyle estate at Tullamarine which he named Arundel, and established a trust which helped Cr Jack of Flinders Shire to provide the Mornington Peninsula's first motorised ambulance) and James Stewart Johnston (later a prominent politician who established a vineyard on Craiglee at Sunbury.)
It also mentions that Alphabetical's cousin, William Stawell, drafted Victoria's(very squatter-centric) constitution, the author apparently being unaware that Alphabetical was involved as Colonial Secretary, and served as Acting Governor for a year after the ailing Latrobe's resignation.(William Stawell married a daughter of William Pomeroy Greene of Woodlands and Lady Stawell's memoirs can be seen at its historic homestead near Melbourne Airport.)
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I haven't read that much about Dandenong's history, but on this group's website, I thought I'd see if they know CLOW. This is what came up.
Local Family Histories Index
Corner Corrigan Clow Crichton Criddle Crook Cruickshank Crump DDDD Dallimore Dana Dawson De George …
LETTERS FROM VICTORIAN PIONEERS.
Mr. James Clow writes:
In the beginning of August 1838,Rev. Mr. Clow took possession of the cattle run, Corhanwarrabul, which was so named after the mountain that formed its north-eastern boundary, but his home-station was at Tirhatuan, that part of the run which is adjacent to the junction of the Narrewong with the Dandenong. Before that period the more eligible portion of the country beyond him had been taken up. Mr. John Highett, he has been informed, was the first settler that crossed the Dandenong with stock, and that he was followed by O'Connor and the Ruffys, and that next after them came Mr. Joseph Hawdon, who may be considered the first that settled on the Dandenong, as those that had preceded him had gone about eight or ten miles to the east of it. He transferred his right to the Dandenong run to Captain Lonsdale, who had Mr. Alfred Langhorne for his overseer at the time Mr. Clow settled at Tirhatuan. Their head station was at the bridge over the creek, where the present township of Dandenong is situated. They had one out-station, Eumemmering, and both of these were transferred to Dr. McCrae in 1839; and shortly afterwards Eumemmering was transferred by him to the Fosters, and by them to Johnston and Wilson, and by them to Mr. Power, by whom it is still held. The Dandenong station was retained by Dr. McCrae
for several years, and then became the property of its present occupant, Mr. R. C. Walker. The run, which
belongs at present to Mr. Charles Wedge, and which is generally known by the name of the Waterholes, was a part of country originally occupied by Mr. Hawdon, and has been since then in the possession of various owners.
Along the Dandenong, on the east side, towards the mountain, and adjacent to Eumemmering, was the Corhanwarrabul run, which was occupied twelve years by Mr. Clow, and transferred by him to Mr. Beilby, its present owner. In 1840 he formed an out-station close to the base of Corhanwarrabul, on one of three rivulets, which fall into a swamp, and which, on issuing from it, at its south-west extremity, compose the Narrewong creek.etc. (P.3, Bacchus Marsh Express,1-8-1903.)
Mr. JAMES CLOW writes:
At the time the Tirhatuan Station was formed, some of the natives expressed a determination to be revenged on one of the servant men. As soon as they saw him there, they recognised him as one whose conduct towards some of their women, before he came into Mr. Clow's service, had given them great offence. He confessed that he had been to blame, and asked for his discharge, which was immediately given him,and he was safely returned to Melbourne. It is probable that, had they had an opportunity, they would have murdered him; but in doing so would they have done more than has been done by many Europeans, though in a more refined way?
Like other savages, they are naturally revengeful, but it is to be fearedthat on too many occasions their
atrocities have not been committed without grievous provocation.
The next settler on the Dandenong was Mr. Thomas Napier, who now resides in the parish of Doutta Galla*. His run, which he took up about October 1839, lay along the western side of the creek, and extended from the Tirhatuan bridge to Scott's bridge.
(*Google STRATHMORE, RAY GIBB, NAPIER for details.)
About a year afterwards he sold it to Mr. Scott, who died in Melbourne before he went to live there; but it was occupied by Mrs. Scott and family for two or three years, when they formed a small station on the other side of the creek, and sold the other to a family of the name of Drew.
It was afterwards subdivided and occupied by a number of small settlers, who were principally employed
in taking timber from that neighbourhood to Melbourne and other places for the purpose of building and the enclosing of purchased land.
Two brothers of the name of Rourke, who were, in the first instance, sawyers on Mrs. Scott's original run, formed the station, which the elder brother still holds near the sources of the Dandenong.
The aboriginal station of Narre Narre Warren was formed by Mr.Assistant Protector Thomas, and is so well known, that it is unnecessary for me to give you any account of it.
(See I SUCCEEDED ONCE by Marie Hansen Fels.)
The first settlers below the Dandenong bridge, and beyond the run belonging to Messrs. Lonsdale and Langhorne, were Mr. Solomon and Major Frazer. The former had his station above the swamp through which the Dandenong passes, and the latter below it on the bay, of Port Phillip.
About six miles in a north-easterly direction from Tirhatuan, on the south side of the principal stream
which descends from the mountain of Corhanwarrabul, and which mainly contributes to form the Narrewong Creek below the swamp, is the sheep station of Monbolloc, which was first occupied by Messrs. Kerr and Dobie. It is small and scrubby,and has passed through many hands since its formation.
On the east of Monbolloc is the small station of Will-Will-Rook,originally formed and still possessed by Mr. Varcoe and his family.
About the month of January 1850,during one night and a part of the succeeding day, an unusual noise,somewhat resembling that of a bush fire at a distance, was heard at Tirhatuan, and at an out-station about three miles off, situated near the Gap in the ranges behind Narre Narre Warren. At the former place it was heard by Mrs. Clow and others living there. She rose in the night time, and looked out to see if any of the huts was on fire; and during the day she went repeatedly into the verandah in front of the house to listen; and as the noise seemed to come from the rises on the west side of the creek, she sent two per(sic) as far as the bridge with a view to ascertain what it was. On their return they said they could not tell, but that when they were at the bridge the noise seemed to be at the house. The overseer happened to come, and she spoke of it to him, but he said that he had not noticed any unusual sound; neither did he then perceive any. He was in a hurry and went off immediately; but, happening to go to the outstation at the Mountain Gap, he was asked by the two men there,
both of whom had resided in the colony only a short time, and were therefore perhaps more liable to be
easily alarmed, whether the fire was coming that way. He said he did not know of any fire. They told him that they had not slept during the night, for they had heard a noise as of a great fire at a distance, and were afraid it was coming in that direction, and that they could still discern it. He was thus forcibly reminded of what he had just before heard, and on going a little way to a rise, he listened, and acknowledged that he could distinctly hear a noise similar to that which had been described, but could not tell what occasioned it.
As heard by Mrs. Clow, the noise was not always the same, but rose and fell, and after dying away for a little would begin again and gradually increase. To some it seemed to be in the air, but the prevailing impression
on her mind at the time, and that to which she is still inclined, is, that it was subterranean. It will perhaps be considered corroborative of this opinion that, on two previous occasions, an earthquake had been distinctly heard and felt there. The first was experienced in February or March 1843. It occurred at midnight, when the moon was full, the sky cloudless, and the wind still. To me and others who heard it at Tirhatuan, the sound was as if a light conveyance, making a sharp rattling noise, had passed rapidly between the house and the kitchen-these buildings being about eight yards apart.
The tremor, though distinctly felt, was not great; but at the outstation, near the base of the mountain, both the shock and the noise were very considerable. The two men sleeping in the hut were instantly roused, and ran out to ascertain what was the matter; but neither seeing nor hearing anything unusual, they conjectured what had happened; and as the shock was experienced in the same manner at Rourke's station, about five miles off, it would appear that it was severest along the base of the mountain.
To be continued.(P.3, Bacchus Marsh Express, 24-10-1903.)
Mr. James Clow writes:
The aborigines of this island consider that when they can compass the death of a friend or foe by stratagem instead of in open warfare it enhances their standing as skilful warriors according to their notions of one. Previously to the country which lies on the Western side of the bay of Western Port (between what was at one time Manton's and Allan's run) being occupied by squatters in the year 1835, the Gippsland blacks attackedsome five-and-twenty of the Western Port tribe in the gray(sic) of the morning, and cut off every one of them. Their tombs consist of many cairns plainly visible to this day.
When I went to reside at Dandenong in 1838, the blacks told me of the occurrence, and that they never had been able to avenge the wrong. Shortly after I settled amongst them I gave "Jack Weatherly," one of the tribe, a double-barrelled gun to procure for me the lyre-bird. He was employed occasionally in this way when opportunity offered, and with practice became a very good shot. One day, without my expressing a wish for any more of the
birds, he applied for a much larger supply of powder and shot than I had formerly given him at one time,
stating that a large party of his tribe were going to procure lyrebirds, and promising me, after four or five days, no end of curiosities in the shape of birds of the air and denizens of the forest. As he had always satisfactorily accounted for what he had before, I gave him it without reluctance. The days lapsed into weeks,when he stalked up to the station, evidently elated with some success, which he was not long in telling me.
After getting the powder, he went to council of war which was being held to take into consideration the glorious opportunity now presented to the tribe of avenging the onslaught I have alluded to above. The old men, who always shut their eyes and stopped their ears when they saw a gun being fired off, decreed that the powder and shot which had just been received from the various squatters on the ostensible plea of procuring lyre-birds, &c., should,by Jack Weatherly (who was appointed leader of the expedition) and those of his compeers who were proficient in the use of their guns, be buried in the skins of the wild blackfellows as they termed them
(to show them the new mode of warfare they had adopted, and thus to prevent a recurrence of their visits)-wild in contradistinction to the life of amity they themselves led with the white men.
After four days' march through the barren mountains which separate Western Port District from Gippsland, they on the fifth day sighted the smoke of some blacks' fires on the skirts of the beautiful pastoral district there. On the following day, about mid-day, they surprised the camp, making prisoners of all in it, which consisted only of some old men and some children. They then went in search of the able-bodied men, whom they espied very busily engaged in fishing on the banks of a large river not far off. They managed to sneak upon them within ten or twenty yards, and then blazed into them, killing or severely wounding every one of them, seven in number. Those who escaped the first volley jumped into the river and swam across, but the second volley brought them all down.
After cutting out their kidney fat, they took as much of the carcases as they could well carry on their return route, and having mustered their forces at the camp where they had captured the old men and children, they despatched them also, and then commenced their retreat. When they reached the first station on the Western Port side of the mountains, they still had portions of the legs and thighs of their enemies, which they had not consumed, but reserved for those of the tribe who were not present. Many maintain that the aborigines are not cannibals. They are not cannibals for the love of human flesh, but there are occasions when they do eat their enemies, as in the present instance, where they did it to render, according to their notions, the deed of retaliation more complete, and under an impression that partaking of the flesh of an enemy tended to confirm hatredand foster a passion for fresh deeds of vengeance. (P.4, Bacchus Marsh Express, 26-3-1904.)
To be completed as time allows.
CAN PARISH MAPS BE WRONG? OH YES THEY CAN.
Anyone can make a mistake and copyists in the Lands Department could be excused for accidentally writing 297 instead of 279 when there is so much,often microscopic, detail to copy. That's what seems to have happened to crown allotment 4,section 3, parish of Kangerong, Robert Caldwell's "Dromana Hill",later known as Fairy Vineyard.
POSTSCRIPT. Boundary dimensions were given in links(hundredths of a chain or 20.1168 centimetres) and were written in almost microscopic numerals.These would have been clear enough on original paper maps unless a copyist had slightly smudged them, but in a photocopy of a photocopy the number of links seems to be different every time you look at it or change the angle of the magnifying glass. I have stated below that the southern boundary of crown allotment 4, section 3, Kangerong was 2258 links,but the online map showed that it was 3500 links. As a result the area of this allotment is probably correct.
The following was originally written in an email about Tar Barrel Corner but is deemed to warrant a journal.
I called in on Keith Holmes while I was at Bentons Square and in the short time available before he headed off to get laser treatment on his eyes, I showed him the comments under my post 1940 and Back To journal re the date and venue because he had not yet been contacted about it. Seems very keen and was looking forward to reading the three Cleine comments with his newly lasered eyes after his appointment.
I thought I had read that Keith's wife, Shirley,was a McIlroy*,so I checked and found that she was a Burston. Keith answered in the affirmative when I asked if she was related to George Burston and added that George had a house in Dromana.
*I had read it, not in a dream or Hill 'n' Ridge as I had thought but in an email about the location of some former hill and ridge residents and I quote:
Back again xxx,
Just a few thoughts that I hope may be helpful. I think that Keith Holmes wife Shirley may have been a McIlroy, but not sure.
I am sure that Hec Hanson mentioned the Burstons in MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN. (There's an index at the end.)
In the Shire of Flinders rate record of 1919- 1920, George Burston of Fitzroy was assessed on land in the central riding as follows:
189 acres part c/a 4, s(section) 3K (Kangerong); 80 acres c/a 25 c W (Wannaeue); 440 acres c/a 28A and 28B.
In the West Riding, George was assessed on:
268 acres part c/a 1, 2, section B,W. and 100 acres part c/a 2, section B, W.
Description of George Burston's land.
In 1919-20,George had apparently not yet bought his house in Dromana. In 1875, the rate record of the newly formed shire of Flinders and Kangerong consisted of about 10 pages at the most but by 1919 many farms had been subdivided and Dromana (town) residents were listed on pages 102 to 112 with the Kangerong Estate on page 113 and central riding farms from page 114 to 134 where the Dromana Estate started.
CROWN ALLOTMENT 4, SECTION 3, KANGERONG (Melway 159 J-K 9-12.189 acres part c/a 4, s(section)3 K.)
Consisting of 297 acres 2 roods and 29 perches, this was granted to Robert Caldwell (after whom Caldwell Rd was named) who also received the grant to crown allotment 10B.
Crown allotment 4 was bounded on the west by the wedge shaped town common, cum gravel reserve, (which ran from a spot over Boundary Rd from Jetty Rd to Arthurs Seat Rd. The remaining vestige of the wedge shape of this reserved land, now part of Arthurs Seat State Park, can be seen in Melway 159 H-J 11-12 . The width and southern extent of c/a 4 was exactly that of the quarry property shaded grey. The c/a 6 grants of "Simon the Belgian" as Colin McLear put it,(H.B.Simon, after whom Simon's Cutting was named) fronted the road reserve south of the quarry land.
Crown allotment 4 also contained the streets east of Hillview Quarry Rd to about 205 Boundary Rd. This estate was possibly subdivided by Dromana's whirlwind Progress Association president, Spencer Jackson, ,judging by the name of Jacksons Way, after his sales of the Foreshore Estate (on Lou Carrigg's former Racecourse and footy ground land behind the Dromana Hotel) and the Panorama Estate (where streets names indicated a view of Mt Macedon and the You Yangs) in 1927.
Which portion of c/a 4 did George own or occupy. Its Boundary Rd frontage was 4000 links(half a mile or 800 metres but because of the wedge shape of the gravel reserve,the southern boundary was 2258 links*.The depth of c/a 4 was 8100 links. The depth of the estate is 35 chains (3500 links) and the boundary between the estate and the grey quarry land is 39 chains. The depth of the estate (3500 links) multiplied by its mean width (3950 links) gives a result of 136.5 acres.
(*As stated in the POSTSCRIPT above, the southern boundary was 3500 links, not 2258 so the surveyor's very complicated calculation of crown allotment 3 is probably very close to the mark. Alterationsin thecalculation are in bold type.
The quarry land has a mean depth of 4650 links (half of the sum of 4500 links and 4800 links) and a mean width of 3700 links (half of the sum of 3900+ 3500). Length by width gives a result of 172 acres. If we add these two calculated areas, there is a total of 308 acres, about 10 acres MORE than stated on the parish map..*
However it is clear that George had land in both present portions of crown allotment 4. Were the streets named after counties and Anne named because of George Burston, Spencer Jackson or some later owner?
* It is possible that the surveyor wrongly calculated the area of crown allotment 4 (called Dromana Hill by Robert Caldwell and Fairy Vineyard by coachbuilders Elliot and Stevenson). The town common and c/a 4 form a rectangle adjoining the east boundary of "Gracefield" (Bryan's Cutting.) The northern boundary was 6 chains (the common) plus 40 chains ("Dromana Hill") making a total of 46 chains. The depth was fairly constant at 81 chains. This gives an area of 372.6 acres.
As stated, the combined calculated area of the town common and Dromana Hill was 372.6 acres. The online map describes the town common as crown allotment 4A but does not give its acreage. Relying on my paper map is risky but it does seem to describe the gravel reserve as consisting of 91 acres and two roods. If we deduct this from the combined 372.6 acres, the acreage of Dromana Hill would seem to be 281.1 acres, fairly close to the total of the housing estate and Hillview Quarry land (279.7 acres) and far short of the 297 acres on the parish map.
CROWN ALLOTMENT 25c WANNAEUE.(80 acres c/a 25 c W .)
This (sort of)triangular allotment, consisting of 79a. 2r. 16p, was granted to the Freehold, Investment and Banking Company of Aust. on 25-6-1905. Across Purves Rd from Seawinds and fronting Arthurs Seat Rd.,it is indicated by Melway 171 F-G1 and some of F2.
CROWN ALLOTMENTS 28a AND 28b, WANNAEUE. (440 acres c/a 28A and 28B.)
GET TO BED!
COMING IN APRIL, 2015.
Vin Jervis is writing his life story. There is a Vin Jervis Reserve in Melway 16 D11 between Kerferd St and Royal Avenue named after Vin,his dad and his son,who all bore the same name; the name of the reserve is not shown on Melway. Vin played footy for a club (name forgotten by me, Lincoln Stars?) that shared Ormond Park (Melway 29 A8-9)with Moonee Valley Football Club and later changed its name to Ascot Vale Presbyterians (playing at Fairbairn Park), later Tullamarine-Ascot Vale Presbyterians (playing at Tullamarine, and the seniors a few seasons back at Fairbairn Park)before merging with Essendon Baptists-St Johns,as Tulla-E.B.S.J. and then Tulla,with Ted Jennings as President, to set an Essendon District Football League record of five consecutive A Grade premierships.
Vin's book is going to be a very long one. I struck up a conversation with him on the way home from posting the DESPERATELY SEEKING notice about the 22-3-2015 BACK TO RED HILL. It started with Vin's long connection with the Mornington Peninsula. We chatted for ages. He had a butcher shop on the Boneo Rd corner near the Burnhams and when I mentioned Steve Burnham's website,he recommended (?) Archer's website about Sorrento. He knew Colin Campbell, who designed the McDonald golf course between Rye Township and his own golf course at Melway 168 A 5-6, on which Colin lived. I will not mention here the time Vin told Lou Richards, who interrupted a conversation between Vin, Colin Campbell and Greg Norman at the opening of the (? )Golf Course, to nick off.(Oops,I did!)
Vin owned land near Cape Schanck; (see The Dunes history below.) He had land at Blairgowrie after the Wilsons had transferred their abbatoir to Shergolds Lane near Dromana. We chatted about Archie Revell at Rye, whose car drove itself home from the pub according to Dot Houghton. (Correction: it was Harold Revell and his dog drove the car! See Comment 1.)
At the moment,my focus is on the BACK TO RED HILL and Natalie's Hume Leader article about the Alec Rasmussen memorial plaque at Tullamarine Reserve (where I played for Tulla-Ascot Pres. in 1971), but at the end of March, Vin and I will continue his story (with a voice recorder because I could never keep up writing notes.)
The funny thing is that I'd had Vin's phone number in my list of history contacts for at least a couple of years but had never had the time to contact him. Having been looking for Red Hill contacts recently, as soon as he told me his name,I had a mental image of an intricately framed name and phone number in my notebook. Somebody had obviously said, "You've got to talk to Vin Jervis," and given me his phone number.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A CORKER!
HISTORY OF THE CLUB.
The Birth of the Rye Dunes Golf Links Inc.
(Trading as The Dunes Golf Club 2001.)
Acknowledgements to Alison Jones who used previous information provided by (named) life members and one of the management team to write a brief history, seemingly in early 2013.
The area of land in Rye called Cups Country because of its undulating nature was largely cleared of trees by limestone miners in the nineteenth century; they burned the lime in kilns such as Sullivan’s Kiln on the second hole of The Dunes course, before sending it to Melbourne in barges (sic) from Rye Pier so it could be used as mortar in the building of Melbourne’s fine houses.
Many years of grazing followed, until in 1992 the owner Mr Vin Jervis employed golf course architect Colin Campbell and our present Course Superintendent Mark Gahan to design and build an 18 hole golf course which he called Limestone Valley. In January 1994 it was sold to a Melbourne businessman Mr Duncan Andrews who owns it still (and renamed it The Dunes. etc.)
2013 - The Dunes Golf Links