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I searched for William's death notice again last night but couldn't find it on trove and there didn't seem to be a death record on Victorian BDM. I eventually found the death notice in one of my journals whose title fittingly started with Eureka because the journal was prompted by finding the family notice after months of searching.
Drowned at Broadmeadows, on the 18th instant,William, aged 3 years and 3 months, third son of Peter M'Cracken, of Stewarton. (P.4, Argus, 20-10-1852.)
My search for the death notice last night resulted from a query in a private message.
Date: 2017-03-21 10:38:53
Hi ---. Can you tell me where McCracken's property (near the Moonee Ponds Creek in 1847) actually was? Also, which McCracken was it?
It was "Stewarton", section 5 of the parish of Tullamarine. Peter McCracken leased this from 1846-1855 from Neil Black and then lived on a dairy farm leased from John Robert Murphy at Kensington until about 1857 when he moved into his newly built "Ardmillan" mansion at Moonee Ponds. A major shareholder in the (failed) Essendon private railway, he was forced to sell Ardmillan circa 1872 and moved to a mansion (now heritage listed*) in East Melbourne.
*East Melbourne, Gipps Street 104 | East Melbourne Historical Society
East Melbourne, Gipps Street 104 ... Peter McCracken, farmer and brewer, was the next owner of the house. He and his brother, ... --- ----, email 27/09/13.
Section 5 Tullamarine fronted the east side of Broadmeadows Rd (Mickleham Rd today) from Forman St, where it adjoined Broadmeadows Township, to the Lackenheath Drive corner and extended east to the Moonee Ponds Creek.
One of Peter's young sons drowned in the Moonee Ponds Creek in 1852 after he accompanied his older siblings part of the way to school at Broadmeadows Township. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4787825
I've just spent an hour trying to find the death notice but there was no way I was going to find it on trove. It had taken months to find it for the second time and I did copy it that time, thus the use of Eureka in the journal's title.
Drowned at Broadmeadows, on the 18th instant,William, aged 3 years and 3 months, third son of Peter M'Cracken, of Stewarton. (P.4, Argus, 20-10-1852.)
"Stewarton" was renamed "Gladstone" circa 1892 and is now the northern 777 acres of today's Gladstone Park and the Gladstone Gardens Estate separated by the freeway.
I accidentally submitted my message. The journal prompted by my discovery of the death notice for young William was:
EUREKA! PIONEERS OF BROADMEADOWS, VIC., AUSTRALIA AND PETER MCCRACKEN'S TRAGEDY.
The lucky break that led to finding the death notice must have been using M'Cracken (instead of McCracken) and Broadmeadows as search terms.
I became a local historian in 1988 because of the farm that Peter McCracken had occupied. My brother Ken, a family historian, had asked me to research the Broadmeadows rate books in regard to our great grandfather, John Cock, farming on the area of Gladstone Park. Having done so, I became aware that most pioneers of the Broadmeadows road district/ shire did not rate a mention in Andrew Lemon's BROADMEADOWS: A FORGOTTEN HISTORY and transcribed the rate records in the parishes of Will Will Rook and Yuroke. I also transcribed occupants of Section 5 Tullamarine from 1863 to the last available rate record in the 1950's which proved helpful over a decade later. From my EARLY LANDOWNERS:PARISH OF TULLAMARINE.
This was granted to Neil Black before auction. George Russell, a fellow Western district squatter, purchased it on his behalf, which explains Russell’s name being on the parish map. It extended north from the present Lackenheath Dr corner to the creek and consisted of 785 acres but was later described as 777 acres. Black probably wanted it for a holding paddock but from 1846 till 1855 leased it to Peter McCracken.
McCracken’s sons, Robert and Colin, attended the school in Broadmeadows township and the youngest child, William, often walked with them, probably to the foot of Pascoe St where a bridge stood for many years. One day in 1852, after seeing the older children to the township, young William drowned in a waterhole in the Moonee Ponds Creek. (McCracken Letters.)
One of those who worked on Stewarton for Peter McCracken was John Johnson who arrived in 1852. Johnson soon after purchased the 40 acres between Swain St and Providence Lane at Greenvale and possibly Greenhill at the north west corner of Mickleham and Craigieburn Rds. (No proof that Greenhill’s owner was the same John Johnson.) After many years near Kyneton, his son, William, bought Spring Park in Keilor Rd and William’s offspring occupied Glendewar and Cumberland for most of the first half of the 20th century. (Keith Brown, Canberra.)
The farm was called Stewarton after Stewart, a member of Black’s syndicate. The Lessee recorded in Broadmeadows’ 1863 rate book was James Maconochie. With Hugh Brown of Camp Hill and John Bethel of Broadmeadows Township, Macocochie resigned from the Broadmeadows Road Board in 1864; according to Andrew Lemon who suggests that the sacking of the Board’s secretary was the reason for their action.
It was later leased for many years by John Kerr sen. After Black’s death its ownership passed, in 1882, to the family of T.S. Gladstone, a cousin of the famous politician and another syndicate member. After John Cock commenced his lease in 1892-3, the farm was renamed Gladstone. John Cock bred Clydesdales and grew hay. His huge haystacks were renowned in the district. He introduced the latest technology on Gladstone and the nearby Chandos.
Lessees after Cock’s death at the end of 1911 were Helen Melville, A.E.Hoadley, L.Roxburgh (from 1920) and James Barrow (from 1930) who had the first tractor in the district and turned the farm to wheat growing. In 1948-9, Gladstone was bought from the Gladstones by F.N.Levin, who sold it to Stanley Korman in 1952. Korman’s plans were well advanced, as shown by the plan in the pamphlet published by (Major) Walter V.Murphy in 1959, but the M.M.B.W.’s inability to supply water, and probably the prospect of aircraft noise, thwarted the development.
Shareholders in the Stanhill company lost their life savings but Korman sold it to Costains in July 1964 for L 645 000, not a bad profit on the L77 735 he’d paid Levin.
North Circular Rd was probably the original entry to the farm, with a bridge at the foot of Pascoe St linking it to the township. The peppercorn tree at the south corner of Nth Circular Rd would have been part of the garden of the original homestead, a four roomed 10 square house near Claredale Ave. Not shown on the ordnance map is the second Gladstone Park homestead, a nine roomed brick house with a cellar on the corner of Lyndhurst and Peel. The stables were about halfway up the Nth Circular Rd hill on the south side. (rate books re rooms, Ian Farrugia re locations, Lloyd Bros. re entry.)
After the bridge from Pascoe St had been washed away by a flood, entry was via Forman St and following pine trees on the ridge.
THE GLADSTONE PARK STABLES. SILOS IN BACKGROUND.
INSIDE THE STABLES WITH ONE OF JOHN COCK’S NOTED CLYDESDALES.
I have previously written a journal about the Gibson of Dromana who became a Kiwi, master mariner John Gibson, brother of Walter of Glenholm. It may be that Walter's son, Walter James, was living with his uncle John's family when he died in 1943. The other main focus of this journal is Walter's son John who became a policeman and had a sad end. During my research, I discovered Albert Gibson, son of Adam Gibson and Mary Ann, nee McLear, who (like Walter James) was not mentioned in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. Keryn McLear explained why his death was not recorded in Victorian BDM.
WALTER JAMES GIBSON.
GIBSON.-On August 3. at Masterton. New Zealand. Walter James, second youngest son of the late Walter and Martha Gibson, of Glenholm, Dromana. (P.2, Argus, 28-8-1943.)
The list of Walter and Margaret Gibson's children on page 82 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA is wrong. Walter Jnr,, in fact Walter James, born in 1870, is missing. I believe the above death notice is wrong unless Walter James Gibson b. 1870 married a woman named Martha and then had a son named Walter James.
The sons of Walter and Margaret Gibson listed on the said page 82 are Adam 1854-1937, John, Big Will 1868-1949 and Tom. Their father's death notice in 1916 listed his sons as " Adam, William, Walter, Thomas."
Thomas William Balantine Gibson was born in 1872.
John was indeed Walter and Margaret's second son, according to this marriage notice.
GIBSON—CLYNE.—On the 23rd inst, at the residence of the bride's parents, Fairy Bower, Lake Rowan, by the Rev. C. Thomson, John, second son of Walter Gibson, Glenholm, Dromana, to Ellie, eldest daughter of George Clyne, Fairy Bower, Lake Rowan.(P.1, Argus, 31-5-1882.
So why couldn't I find his birth record? Not even recorded as Jno.
The reason he was not listed in his father's death notice is that he died, aged 53 in 1912 (reg. no.10419.) John would have been born in 1858-9 but I still couldn't find his birth record.
As Big Will was born in 1868, Walter James in 1870 (reg. no. 8296) and Thomas in 1872 (reg. no.8472), that would make Walter James the SECOND YOUNGEST SON of the late Walter and MARGARET, (nee Purdie) Gibson, not MARTHA.
Walter James could not have been the son of Adam Gibson's son Walter. As no Walter James Gibson died in Victoria between 1870 and 1970, it looks as if the chap who died in New Zealand in 1943 was the son of Walter and MARGARET Gibson.
POSTSCRIPT 8-4-2017. Walter James Gibson was the fourth son of Walter and Margaret Gibson which meshes with the statement (in his death notice at the start of the journal) that he was their second youngest son.
WALTER JAMES GIBSON'S MARRIAGE (NOT MENTIONED IN HIS DEATH NOTICE WHICH WRONGLY CALLED HIS MOTHER MARTHA INSTEAD OF MARGARET!)
GIBSON-HUTCHINSON.-On the 27th December,1899, at Wadella, Lilydale, by the Rev. J. R.Anderson, M.A., - Walter James, fourth son of Walter Gibson, "Glenholm," Dromana, to Sarah,second daughter of the late John Hutchinson,
Lilydale.(P.55, The Australasian, 3-2-1900.)
THE MARRIAGE RECORD.
EventMarriage Event registration number7133 Registration year1899
Family nameGIBSON Given namesWalt Jas SexUnknown Spouse's family nameHUTCHINSON Spouse's given namesSarah Eliza
Victoria BDM does not list any children born to Walter James and Sarah from 1900 to 1910 or a death record for a Sarah Gibson(nee Hutchinson)between 1900 and 1940, so it is likely that Walter and Sarah had moved to N.Z. soon after their marriage. Victoria was still suffering from depression.
ALMOST CERTAINLY THE DEATH RECORD OF SARAH'S FATHER.
EventDeath Event registration number4690 Registration year1880
Family nameHUTCHINSON Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameWm Mother's nameSarah (Waddel) Place of birthANTRIM Place of death Age54 Spouse's family nameSTANTON Spouse's given namesElizth
JOHN HUTCHINSON'S DEATH NOTICE.
Hutchinson -On the 3rd inst., suddenly, at Lillydale,John Hutchinson, aged 54. A colonist of 27 years standing. Deeply regretted. He died in peace. (P.1, Argus, 9-4-1880.)
EARLY DEATH OF JOHN GIBSON'S WIFE.
EventDeath Event registration number10419 Registration year1912
Family nameGIBSON Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameGibson Walter Mother's nameMargt (Purdie) Place of birth Place of deathHoth E Age53
EventDeath Event registration number8554 Registration year1892
Family nameGIBSON Given namesEllen SexFemale Father's nameClyne Geo Mother's nameCath (Finlayson) Place of birth Place of deathWheip Age33
On the marriage record, Ellie's name was given as Helen.
If John became a policeman, bearing in mind that he died at Hoth.E, which could mean Hotham East, Hotham being the original name of North Melbourne, he might have been the ex senior constable John Gibson who was a terrible drunkard and died at Errol St, North Melbourne in 1912, the death widely reported in the papers. If this senior constable was our John, the death of his wife only 10 years after they married, may have made him hit the grog.
John Clyne Gibson was born at Dromana in 1884 (reg. no.2056), Evelyn was born at (PA NM?) in 1885 (reg. no.4960), Catherine Ruby Ellen in 1886 at PANM (reg. no.12729), George Walter at Panmure in 1888 (reg. no.5472), Ellie Margaret in 1890 at Panmure (reg. no.6377), and David Wallace at Barkstead in 1892 (reg. no.859.)
PANMURE is ENE of Warrnambool.
BARKSTEAD is 5 km west of the Ballan-Daylesford road.
WARRENHEIP is a suburb of Ballarat.
It looks as if it was our John who died at North Melbourne. Panmure news mentions Constable Gibson and J.Gibson in 1888, the year that George Walter was born there.
By the way, Keryn McLear, Adam Gibson and Mary Ann, nee McLear, had a son, Albert, born 1890 (reg. no. 12173) who is not mentioned on page 82 of Colin's book. I CAN'T FIND HIS DEATH RECORD BETWEEN 1890 AND 1992.*
POSTSCRIPT. This birth notice would make it almost certain that John Gibson was the ex senior constable who died at Errol St., North Melbourne in 1912. The daughter would have been Catherine Ruby Ellen.
GIBSON.— On the 16th May, at the police station, Panmure, the wife of J. Gibson of a daughter. (P.1, The Age, 21-5-1886.)
I wondered what had become of John and Ellen's children after their mother's death in 1892.
John Clyne apparently didn't marry (in Victoria) and died aged 85 at Sandringham in 1968 (reg. no. 17510.)
Evelyn Rutherford Purdie married Alex Hamilton KIRKLAND in 1915 (reg. no.11160.) She died aged 84 at Black Rock in 1969 (reg. no.11781.)
Catherine Ruby Ellen married Alfred George Merritt in 1914 (Reg. no. 5067.) She died, aged 69 at Rainbow in 1956 (reg. no. 23930.)
David Wallace died aged 60 at Thornbury in 1952 (reg. no. 10560.)
Strangely his place of birth was given as Wallan on the death record. He does not seem to have married.
KERYN McLEAR'S EXPLANATION OF WHY ALBERT'S DEATH DID NOT APPEAR IN VICTORIAN BDM.
Albert b 13 or 25 Mar 1889/1890 was killed in France Sept 6 1918. No children. From his War Record: he was a clerk, single, born in Dromana. he was 5'9" tall, 149lb, chest 35 1/2 to 37 1/2". Fresh complexion, blue eyes, light brown hair. Presbyterian. Wounded in France 26/03/1917: gunshot wound to left arm, severe. Wounded second occasion: 02/09/1918: gunshot wound to neck and spine, died of wounds received in action. Buried at St Sever Cemetery, Rouen, Block R, Plot 2, Row S. Very sad story.
JACK JONES' STORE ON THE FJ's CORNER AT ROSEBUD.
At 3 o'Clock.
By Order of the Curator of intestate Estates,
In the Estate of the Late John Jones
W.A. KORNER will sell by public auction, on
the above date, on tho ground,
1. All deceased's right, title and interest in that
piece of land being part of Crown portion
18, parish of Wannaeue, having frontage to
Government road of 57 ft. by a depth of
329 ft., more or less, together with store and
other improvements thereon.
2. All that piece of land being part of Crown
portion 18, parish of Wannaeue, having front
age of 60 ft. by a depth of 330 ft., more or
Terms at sale.
W. A. Korner, auctioneer, Mornington.
(P.4, The Age, 6-12-1913.)
Mrs Potton who owned the other 150 acres of c/a 18 Wannaeue seems to have bought Jack's 2 acre lot 86 later on..
The Lake brothers tried to get Jack evicted from this land and the court case* revealed that he'd built the store much earlier than 1900 as claimed on the early Rosebud map. In fact, Jack built it in 1883 or 1884 after his store on 854-6 Pt Nepean Rd (lot 6 of the Rosebud Fishing Village) had been burnt down. His new store was right over the beach road from the recently built jetty.
Jack had already sold c/a 6 Rosebud Fishing Village to George Fountain, plumber and last Mayor of North Melbourne, as recorded by one of George's daughters.
"During an unsatisfying holiday, boarding at "Parkmore", kept by Mr Dowdell and woman supervisor, my father walked into the small single fronted wooden store at the corner of Jetty Road and the Highway, now [c. 1954] the fish shop, and asked Mr Jack Jones if he knew of any land for sale in the area. He said he owned a block on the beach and was willing to sell it, so my father bought it on the spot for 40 pounds ($80) and returned to "Parkmore" and said, "I've bought a block of land", to the amazement of mother and Miller and Ford family, also staying there."
"During the negotiations for purchase of land, Mr Jones who by this time was old and trembling, told my father that his original store was built on "The Pines" site, but was burnt down and he transferred his business to Jetty Rd corner, as he considered it more central opposite the jetty."
Jack and Elizabeth Jones and Henry and Ann Bucher were among the earliest residents of the future (1872) Rosebud Fishing Village.Jack and Elizabeth were accused of plundering wreckage of the Hurricane in 1869.
I'm not even sure if Janie was buried at Dromana, but finally decided to write a burial entry in the chronology when I found that her death was registered at Dromana. I'm glad I did because I finally solved the mystery of how the Davis families were connected-after at least five years of frustration. Here's Janie's burial entry.
14+-10-1900. MISS JANIE DAVIS, RED HILL.
DAVIS.-On Sunday, the 14th October, Jane(Janie), the dearly beloved third daughter of
James and Fanny Davis, of Red Hiil, near Dromana, also sister of Mrs. W. Arnold and
Mrs. H. Meyer, .aged 21 years. A patient sufferer -gone to rest. (P.55, The Australasian, 20-10-1900.)
Similar death notices were inserted in the Argus and Age a few days earlier but there were no funeral notices. Jane’s death record indicates that Jane possibly was buried at Dromana in an unmarked grave in which her parents may later have been interred. Did they die at Red Hill?
EventDeath Event registration number12600 Registration year1900
Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJane
Father's nameDavis Jas Mother's nameFanny (White)
Place of birth ? Place of deathDromana Age21
EventBirth Event registration number8636 Registration year1879
Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJane
Father's nameJames Mother's nameFanny (White) Place of birthDROM
EventMarriage Event registration number143 Registration year1866 Personal information Family nameWHITE Given namesFanny Jane
Spouse's family nameDAVIS Spouse's given namesJames
At long last, I might find the names of the parents of James Davis.
DAVIS.—On the 8th February, at Red Hill, James,beloved husband of Fanny Davis, aged 84 years. (P.60, The Australasian, 13-2-1909.)
EventDeath Event registration number1215 Registration year1909 Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJas
Father's nameDavis Wm Mother's nameCharl (Simpson)
Place of birth? Place of deathDromana Age84
JAMES DAVIS AND JONATHAN DAVIS WERE BROTHERS!
They were both sons of William Davis and Charlotte nee Simpson.
JANIE’S SIBLINGS. (Birth year and register number.)
No births recorded in 1866-68 to parents named James and Fanny.
Frederick (1869, 8215, Dromana); George (1871, 15696, Drom.); Henry (1873, 16059, Drom*.); Charlotte (1875, 22363, Drom.); As no birth to James and Hannah is recorded in 1876-8, the birth of the second daughter has obviously not been entered into the register; no birth was recorded in 1880-1883. This was discovered by chance after I’d given up my year by year search. Perhaps Janie was actually the third YOUNGEST daughter.
EventBirth Event registration number10512 Registration year1887 Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesFanney
Father's nameJames Mother's nameFanney Jane (White) Place of birthDROM
*I presume that this was the same Henry Davis.
DAVIS—OWEN.—On the 30th Hill August, 1923, at Mornington, by the Rev. E. Ashby Swan, Henry Davis, Red Hill, to Gertrude Owen, of Shoreham. (P.17, Argus, 29-9-1923.)
WHO, THEN WAS JONATHAN DAVIS?
EventDeath Event registration number13592 Registration year1926
Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJonathan
Father's nameDAVIS William Mother's nameCharl (Unknown)
Place of birth? Place of deathDROMANA Age92
Were there two Jonathans? This second one was the first to marry at the Red Hill Wesleyan Methodist Church recently constructed near the post office (710 White Hill Rd.) He was probably the one whose farm, between W.Kemp’s grant and Blooming Bob White’s “Glenferrie”, and now the Bald Hill Nature Conservation Reserve, was described in AROUND RED HILL in 1902.
EventMarriage Event registration number4351 Registration year1887 Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJonathan
Spouse's family nameKEMP Spouse's given namesElizabeth Duncan
If there was only one Jonathan Davis, he was born in about 1834 and would have been about 53 when (if) he married Elizabeth Kemp in 1887. How old was Elizabeth when she married?
EventBirth Event registration number7281 Registration year1858 Personal information Family nameKEMP Given namesElizabeth Duncan
Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameElizabeth (Duncan)
Place of birthYOWANGS
Jonathan’s wife, Elizabeth Duncan Davis, nee Kemp, died at Glen Iris in 1947.
EventDeath Event registration number10156 Registration year1947 Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesElizabeth Duncan
Father's nameKEMP William Mother's nameElizabeth (Duncan)
Place of birthGEELONG Place of deathGLEN IRIS Age89
Despite their late start, Jonathan and Elizabeth had a large family! Kidding it didn’t take a while to find Elizabeth’s death notice!
DAVIS.-On September 14. at the home of her son-in-law. I. Laub. 109 High street, Glen Iris, Elizabeth Duncan, widow of the late Jon Davis. loved mother of Het, Frank. Bel, Mary (Mrs. I. Laub). Annie(Mrs. R. Underwood), grandma of Muriel, Daphne. Joyce, Frank (deceased), and
Gordon Davis, Keith, Eric, Stanley, and Merleen Laub, in her 90th year.
(P.11, Argus, 20-9-1947.)
Jon and Elizabeth were still living at Red Hill in 1926. Was Jon buried at Dromana?
LAUB-DAVIS.-On the 6th April, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev.Stevly, Thomas, youngest son of the late Mr. and Mrs. L. Laub, of Lauriston, to Mary Victoria, third daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J.Davis, of Red Hill.(P.17, Argus, 1-5-1926.)
UNDERWOOD—DAVIS.—On the 12th June, at St.George's Church of England, Malvern, Robert
Leonard, of Hamilton, to Annie Mildred, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J. Davis, Red Hill.
(P.17, Argus, 25-9-1926.)
In 1879, William Kemp was renting crown allotment 105 acres and buildings from the Waddeson (Waddeson)& Holmes executors and John Huntley was on 105 acres, Kangerong. Kemp would have been on c/a 15B fronting Red Hill Rd, north of a point opposite number 247 and adjoining the Kangerong Nature Consevation reserve and Huntley on 15A to the south whose east and south boundaries fronted Red Hill Rd and known as Hillside Orchard by 1902.Jonathan Davis, labourer, was assessed on 280 acres and building, Kangerong and James Davis was leasing 4 acres and a building, Kangerong from Jonathan Davis.
By 1910-11 there was no assessment of James Davis, but one of Mrs Fanny Davis (on the above 4 acres.)
The above rate records were hopefully going to help me sort out the relationship between James and Jonathan Davis but now there is no need. As their death records (above) show, they were brothers.Fanny’s given name was used in 1910 because she was a widow, James having died in 1909.
James and Fanny’s sons, Fred and Henry were farming together for many years apparently on the west side of Sheehans Rd on 35 and 43 acres respectively.
EXTRACTS FROM http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/67082808
JONATHAN DAVIS'. Facing the Port Phillip side, and giving a good view of the Bay, lies Mr Jonathan Davis'. He has 40 acres or so, with six acres of young trees coming on, consisting mostly of apples of the Rokewood, Alfriston and Æsopus Spitzenburg varieties; also some cherries, and the usual patch of strawberries, without which no Red Hill orchard is considered complete.
Mr Davis goes in for dairying as well, being the lessee of a 60-acre paddock, owned by Miss Strong, which he uses for grazing. He has a separator, and supplies butter to one or two of the storekeepers in the district.
JAS. DAVIS has five acres under fruit, which yields well. His chief varieties are cherries, plums, apples and pears.
R. WHITE's.Mr White's property comes next. He, too, has a good residence site, giving a fine view of the Bay. Mr White has some fruit trees and a small crop.
WHEELER'S. Mrs Wheeler has the Post Office and Store, which has been established
for over 30 years. There are about seven acres of orchard attached to the property, mostly young trees; also a little strawberry plantation, as well as a crop.
HILL'S. Up the hill from Wheeler's is Mr Hill's property, comprising about 12 acres, situated on a well-sheltered slope. A 6-roomed house is erected here. The orchard is a young one, planted about three years ago. Besides the usual varieties, there is an acre of lemons, which are looking
fairly well. Mr Hill is at present a resident of St. Kilda, but it is understood intends to take up his abode here shortly.
F. & H DAVIS'. Opposite is Messrs F. and H. Davis. who go in for potato growing. They
have been very successful with this crop, having had as much as 10 tons to the acre. They also cultivate maize and peas, and have an acre or so of strawberries.
Janie’s siblings- OUTCOMES.
Fred died at Red Hill in 1953 aged 84 (reg, no.18468.)
Henry died in 1942 at the age of 69, registered at Dromana (reg. No.27312.)
George died in 1889, aged 18, at Cwick which I presume means Creswick.(reg. no. 1856.)
Charlotte NO RECORD OF A MARRIAGE OR DEATH FOUND.
Fanny NO RECORD OF A MARRIAGE OR DEATH FOUND.
JONATHAN DAVIS and William Kemp were original trustees of the Red Hill Wesleyan Methodist Church. As mentioned earlier, Jon’s martriage to William’s daughter, Elizabeth, was the first marriage performed in the church. Their daughter Henrietta Charlotte* was the first to be christened. When William Kemp died in 1920, his daughter, Mrs Elizabeth Davis, replaced him as a trustee.(P.32, THE RED HILL, Sheila Skidmore.)
*Called Het in Elizabeth’s death notice.
JAMES AND CHRISTINA WISEMAN WERE PIONEERS OF RED HILL NEAR DROMANA, VIC., AUST. BUT WAS CORPORAL JACK RELATED? OH YEAH!
A VOYAGE OF DISCOVERY! AND WITHOUT VICTORIAN BDM WHICH IS UNAVAILABLE BECAUSE OF SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE!
WISEMAN.-VX25406 Corporal William John, dearly beloved husband of Thora, previously reported missing, now reported missing, believed deceased, while prisoner of war. Laha. Amboina. cause and date unknown.
WISEMAN.-At Laha. Amboina. Corporal Jack Wiseman. 2/21st. late of Dromana and Kaniva, second son of Sam and Grace Wiseman, of 325 Toorak road. Burwood, brother of Harry (R.A.A.F.). Margaret (Mrs. B.Mann*), Les (R.A.A.F.)**, and Don (date and cause unknown.) P.2, Argus, 1-12-1945.)
*Margaret (of Red Hill) became engaged to Bruce in 1941.
** Still at Red Hill in 1951.
My first thought was that Jack was a descendant of James Wiseman, blacksmith, early pioneer of Red Hill. However, I have gained the impression that James was a bachelor and lived at Red Hill with a spinster sister. Was Jack descended from one of the Wiseman brothers who built mirror image mansions at Glenroy (the Toorak of the north) in the late 1880's? I had a vague memory of a marriage that indicated that James Wiseman of Ascot Vale WAS connected with Red Hill.
Jack's mother, Gracie was the daughter of George BIGNELL, a pioneer of Flemington after whom Bignell St was probably named, who died at Gracie's Dromana residence on 29-4-1934.
His father, Sam, was the son of James Wiseman of Ascot Vale.
(WISEMAN. – On August 13, at Tunstall,
Annie, beloved wife of the late James
Wiseman, of Ascotvale, loved stepmother of
Ethel and Sam. –Reunited.
WISEMAN. –On August 13, at Tunstall,
Annie, relict of the late James Wiseman, of
Ascotvale. P.2, ARGUS, 15-8-1944.)
Sam and Gracie were more likely to have been at Red Hill rather than at Dromana. See WISEMAN-MANN engagement-
Hill Hillis, his brother in law, James McKeown, and James Wiseman were among the earliest pioneers of Red Hill. My impression that James Wiseman was a bachelor is wrong.
"James purchased his 106 acres (between Sheehans Rd and Arkwell Lane) on 24-2-1862. James was born in 1830 at Ruthven, Scotland and sailed from London in June 1851 aboard Captain Godfrey's"Statesman". Arriving at Geelong he went to gold fields in Victoria and briefly Otago in New Zealand. He was a blacksmith in Melbourne for eight years and married Christina Bain, also from Scotland, and they had three children, James, John** and Christina*, before moving to Red Hill where Janet and William were born."
(P.11, THE RED HILL, Sheila Skidmore.)
*Became Mrs Ramseyer in 1888-
** Died 17-8-1942 aged 82-
You would need to read my journal* about Stephen Lynch's PIONEERS OF THE PENINSULA to understand how this proves that James Wiseman of Ascot Vale was the Red Hill pioneer or his son.
HILLIS- WISEMAN.---On the 1st November, at
the Presbyterian Church, Dandenong, by the Rev.
H. A. Buntine, George P., third son of W. J. Hillis,
Trafalgar, to Ethel D., only daughter of the late
James Wiseman, Ascot Vale, and sister of T.B .
Wiseman, Bass.(P.59, Leader, 8-12-1917.)
P.P.S. Hec. Hansen was born on 14-2-1913 so if the James Wiseman he described on page 11 of Petronella Wilson's MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN was the pioneer of 1862 he must have died when Hec. was a boy. This would seem to indicate that James Wiseman of Ascot Vale, father of Sam and grandfather of Jack, was James Wiseman Jnr. As James Wiseman Snr. was born in 1830 he would have been about 91 when he died (perhaps at Frankston.)
Mr James Wiseman, who has resided in the Frankston district since 1862 has
died. (P.6, Weekly Times, 24-12-1924.)
Also see: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/204268034
James Wiseman Snr. was elected** to the Kangerong School District* Board of Advice in 1873. (* Kangerong Road Board, parishes of Kangerong, Fingal, Wannaeue and Nepean.) The Red Hill State School,( former non-vested school No. 77) opened on 1-1-1874, was in this area but many of its 34 initial pupils, such as Mary Elizabeth and Martha Blakeley* lived south of Arthurs Seat Rd and thus in the Flinders Road District.(P. 53, Helen Blakeley's book.)
(The school was conducted in a building leased from James Wiseman until a year or two before his death.)
WIFE OF JAMES WISEMAN SNR.
WISEMAN (nee Bain).—On the 5th October, at
her late residence, Red Hill, passed peacefully
away, Christina, relict of James Wiseman,
blacksmith, eldest sister of late Alexander Bain,
blacksmith, Fitzroy, and loved mother of John
B. and Janet C., aged 91 years 8½ months. A
colonist of 69 years.
"He giveth His beloved sleep."
(P. 1, Argus, 10-10-1923.)
I wonder if James Wiseman's wife was related to Elizabeth Bain who married George Chapman of "Seawinds".Elizabeth's ancestry is a mystery I've been trying to solve for years.
CAN'T WIN 'EM ALL!
Aha! Now I know how I gained the erroneous impression that James Wiseman Snr. was a bachelor and lived with his spinster sister at Red Hill. The unmarried couple were his son, John Bain Wiseman, a carpenter, and obviously Janet C.(Christina?) Staunch Presbyterians, they used to travel by buggy to the Dromana Presbyterian Church (in the former Union Church building) right up to their eighties, tethering their horse to a fence near a cypress tree on the foreshore side of the main road. (P.88, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA which also confirms the death dates of James Snr and his wife, Christina as given above as well as giving their birth dates and that of John Bain Wiseman.
James Wiseman Jnr was at Ascot Vale by 1895 when his son Samuel won a certificate in the under 10 section in a Church of Christ Sunday School examination involving 450 children. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/203611201
Sam's sister, Ethel, who was a bit older than Sam and was also starring in the examinations at this time, married George (b.1888),the fifth child and third son of W.J.Hillis and Annie (nee Ault) in 1917 (as above.) P.3, PIONEERS OF THE PENINSULA.
It seems almost certain that James Wiseman Jnr. lived at number 28 in today's Kent St, Ascot Vale and worked at the Newport workshops. Funeral notice, 1898: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/191488651
By 1892, James Wiseman Jnr. was the president of the locomotive workshops union. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197173092
Being the son of a blacksmith, it is not surprising that James Jnr.'s occupation involved working with metal.
CONFIRMATION THAT THIS UNION LEADER WAS THE SON OF JAMES WISEMAN AND HIS WIFE, CHRISTINA, NEE BAIN. Can you spot the word whose digitisation I did not correct? Without the assistance of Victorian B.D.M., it took much tacking re search terms to find his death notice.
WISEMAN.—On the 5th January, at 28 Kent-avenue, Ascot Vale. James, the dearly loved husband of Annie Wiseman, eldest son of J. and C. Wiseman, of Bed Hill. Dromana, late of Loco. workshops, Newport,in his 39th year.
(P.1, The Age, 6-1-1898.)
The following burials are recorded as having taken place at the Dromana Cemetery, details from gravestone inscriptions.
WISEMAN James� photo 15-7-1830 10/12/1921
WISEMAN Christina� photo 21-1-1832 5/10/1923
WISEMAN John Bain� photo 30-4-1860 10/08/1942
WISEMAN Joyce Doreen photo 7/02/1929 19/01/1994 66
WISEMAN D.I. photo 22/12/1989 65 Wife Joyce
Our Heidelberg correspondent writes : —
General regret was expressed here on Sun
day forenoon when a messenger arrived from
Dromana with the sad intelligence that Mr.
Lawrence Wadeson had been accidentally
killed on the road near that place on the
previous evening. Reliable particulars of
the accident have not yet come to hand, but
it is reported that tbe horse Mr. Wadeson
was driving bolted, that the spring cart was
upset, and Mr. Wadeson thrown out with
such violence that he only survived for a
very short time. The deceased was senior
partner in the firm of Wadeson and Holmes,
nurserymen and vignerons. He had re-
sided in Heidelberg for nearly thirty years,
and was highly respected by every one who
knew him. He leaves a widow and one
daughter to mourn his loss.(P.2, The Age, 9-5-1876.)
Mr. Candler held an inquest on the 8th
inst, at Dromana, on the body of Lawrence
Wadeson, aged 62 years, a gardener at Kan-
gerong, on Mount McMahon. On the even-
ing of Saturday, the 6th inst, at 7 o'clock,
John Thomas Gibson, splitter and fencer at
Balnarring, found the deceased's horse, with
the shafts of a cart attached, in the road,
and going along the road, found the deceased
lying insensible on his belly, with the wheels
and part of the body of the cart near him.
The near wheel of the cart, it was found,
had struck a tree alongside the track, and
the vehicle had apparently been capsized.
There was no track of any other vehicle.
The deceased was conveyed to his house,
about two miles off, and died in about
three hours, without having recovered con-
sciousness. The deceased was accustomed
to the track, and the moon was up. He was
a temperate man, but was said to be in the
habit of falling asleep when driving. There
were bruises about the head and body of the
deceased. A verdict of death from injuries
accidentally received was found.(P.7, Argus, 12-5-1876.)
One of the first things I learnt about Red Hill, courtesy of Keith Holmes, years ago, was that J. Holmes, the grantee of crown allotment 15A, Kangerong was not related in any way to Keith's family. John Holmes and Lawrence Wadeson were market gardening partners, apparently near Heidelberg. Lawrence was accidentally killed in 1876, probably on Red Hill Road and his body was discovered by John Thomas Gibson who lived practically across Red Hill Rd on the northern corner of Stanleys Rd at what became known as Tar Barrel Corner.(Ethel Bailey is a descendant of this Gibson family.)
Crown allotment 15A Kangerong was at Melway 191 E4,its Red Hill Rd frontage extending north to the bend near present number 247 and 15 B, to the north, adjoined the Kangerong Nature Conservation Reserve. The latter was granted to J. Holmes and Co.
Apparently John Huntley Senior had selected both 15A and 15B. When Bill Huntley took me on a road tour, he showed me where the original homestead had been on the northern portion.The selection was probably forfeited because too much time was spent at Brighton to effect the required improvements, with the scribble on the parish map seeming to indicate that Holmes and Wadeson obtained the grants in 1872. John Huntley Junior acquired 15A later on and it became known as "Hillside Orchard" by 1902 when it was described in "AROUND RED HILL." John Huntley had died and his widow Mary, nee Hope, had married John Shand. Mary's girls remained on Hillside Orchard while she and John Shand rented Kent Orchard (Melway 191 H1), later moving to Rosslyn and Kentucky (both on John Oswin's grant, 14 A, Balnarring) at Melway 161 K11.
My current big project is a CHRONOLOGY OF BURIALS AT DROMANA. One of my tasks is to discover whether early pioneers such as Lawrence who died in the Dromana district were actually buried at Dromana. Lawrence Wadeson had resided at Heidelberg for nearly 30 years and a wadeson, heidelberg search on Google showed that he wasn't. The really interesting thing is that Mary Wadeson's maiden name was OSWIN! THERE IS EVERY CHANCE THAT LAWRENCE WADESON'S WIFE WAS JOHN OSWIN'S SISTER. The death records of both name their parents as William Oswin and Mary (maiden name given as Joyce in Mary's and unknown in John's.) I wonder if Mary Karney, author of so many books about the Oswins and "Newstead", was named after Mary Wadeson.
Heidelberg Old Cemetery - Steve's Headstone Photos
Wadeson Laurence 6 May 1876 62
Wadeson Mary 3 Aug 1883 73 nee. Oswin
Wadeson Mary Sybella 1853 1
Wadeson Richard William 1852 1
Donald attended the Keilor school and knew the area,its pioneers and the coach drivers who passed through intimately. He became a pupil teacher at the school in 1876, and soon moved into journalism. Such details are available in his biography*, but not his act of bravery in 1899** at the age of about 40, which prompted this journal.
(*Macdonald, Donald Alaster - Australian Dictionary of Biography - ANU
Professor Ernest Scott wrote a tremendous tribute to Donald (P.7, The Australasian,December 3,1932), starting with:
"The best of companions for a ramble, interested in everything, amusing, considerate, always ready for a chat with any farm hand, sportsman or swagman, and getting something from everybody he met and everything he saw."
DONALD'S BDM RECORDS.
The date of birth given in the biography would seem to be wrong, given his death in 1932 aged 75. No record could be found of Donald's birth in Victoria that conforms to the names of the parents in his death record. Confirmation of his birth at Fitzroy (but not in 1859)is given in one of the many tributes following his death in 1932. "Mr Macdonald was in his 76th year,having been born at Fitzroy in 1857. His boyhood was spent in Keilor." (http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/189120892)
EventMarriage Event registration number1017 Registration year1883
Family nameSEWARD Given namesJessie SexFemale Spouse's family nameMCDONALD Spouse's given namesDonald Alaster
EventDeath Event registration number3349 Registration year1932
Family nameMCDONALD Given namesDonald Alex SexUnknown Father's nameMcdonald Donald Mother's nameMargaret (Harris) Place of birth Place of deathBlack R Age75
MR DONALD MACDONALD DEAD
Mr Donald Macdonald, the well-known journalist, naturalist and author, died on November 23.
(P.6, Weekly Times, 26-11-1932.)
RAMBLING NEAR KEILOR AS A BOY.
IN THE ARUNDEL WARREN. RABBITS OR CHINCHILLAS?
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 13 October 1928 p 8 Article Illustrated
Donald's heroic deed was performed at Lorne which is mentioned in this article about early coach drivers and Donald's regard for them.
THE LATE DONALD MACDONALD. TO THE EDITOR OF THE ARGUS.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 2 December 1932 p 7 Article
I am often asked to recommend a suitable book to research a particular pioneer and sadly, often there isn't one. Any books offering information will be mentioned in my journal. There are two photos of William, known locally as Harry, in Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA but though he is mentioned six times, five of these only provide the information that he was a fisherman. In 1880, he tried butchering in partnership with James Singleton. Harry's sister, Maria, is not mentioned at all.
This journal resulted from finding Harry's death notice during the research for my journal CHRONOLOGY OF BURIALS AT DROMANA CEMETERY (from Trove and including a biog. for each burial.) It is being continued on a word document because its size makes it impossible to submit additions on Family Tree Circles. Here are the burial entries for Harry and Maria. Links can be copied into the search bar to find articles but if that doesn't work, send me a message on F.T.C. including your email address and I'll email the entries to you.
WHO WAS MAR COPP?
3+-4-1926. WILLIAM HANCOCK (Harry) COPP.
COPP. -On the 3rd April at his residence, Pier street Dromana William H. (Harry) beloved
brother of Lizzie and Fan (England), Mar (Dromana) aged 76 years. (P.1, Argus, 4-4-1926.)
William’s horizontal gravestone at the cemetery gives his date of death as the 2nd of April, and his age as 77. It reads “In loving memory of our brother William H. (Harry) Copp. (http://www.ozgenonline.com/…/droma…/dromanahs_images/129.jpg)
Harry’s death record indicates that the death notice is more reliable than the inscription.
EventDeath, Event registration number5094, Registration year1926
Personal information Family nameCOPP
Given namesWilliam Hancock
Father's nameCOPP John, Mother's nameFrances (Hancock)
Place of birth-, Place of deathDROMANA, Age76
There are two photos of Harry Copp on page 103 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. Despite Harry being mentioned six times in the book, all we learn about Harry and his sister is that Harry was, with John McLear and Jonah Griffith, a professional fisherman at Dromana, except that he tried a butchering business with James Singleton in 1880 (page 80.)
Walter Hancock may have been a brother of Frances nee Hancock, Harry’s mother and therefore Harry’s uncle or the son of a brother of Frances and thus Harry’s cousin.
HANCOCK. — Information concerning Walter Hancock, brickmaker, late Parramatta Junction, Sydney, but now supposed to be in Victoria, thankfully received by WILLIAM COPP, Dromana. (P.1, Weekly Times, 13-3-1886.)
On Monday, 27 February, 1899, Harry’s yacht, The Seud, was moored at the Dromana pier but, parting from its moorings, the old yacht was smashed to pieces against the pier with debris scattered over a mile of shoreline. A concert was organised to help Harry. The result of the concert and dance was £12 15s6d and the affair was so well managed that the expenses (were) nil. (http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65814868)
Harry expressed his gratitude to the organisers and residents from far around who attended the concert and dance. (http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65814857)
Harry was able to buy a replacement for The Seud and Melbourne Brindle’s map of Dromana (pre 1919) shows that it was moored quite a safe distance east of the pier.
Miss M.Copp of Dromana contributed to an appeal in 1928. I thought her name might be Margaret but the name of Harry’s sister turned out to be Maria.
EventDeath, Event registration number17149, Registration year1941
Personal information Family nameCOPP, Given namesMaria
Father's nameCOPP John, Mother's nameUnknown (Hancock)
Place of birthPILTON DEVON ENGLAND
Place of deathDROMANA Age84
19+-6-1941. MISS MARIA COPP, DROMANA.
COPP. — On June 19 (suddenly), at her residence "Ilfracombe," Pier-street, Dromana, Maria,
beloved sister of the late Harry Copp, and loved friend of E. Fox and family, aged 84 years.
Peacefully sleeping. (P.1, The Age, 21-6-1941.)
As there is no funeral notice, it is almost certain that Maria would have been buried with Harry. (See 3+-4-1926. The death records of Harry and Maria provide the names of their parents and their place of origin.)
In October 1941 a trustee company applied for probate of the will with the authorisation of Charles Henry Yeo, of 23 St Leonards road. Exeter. England, estate agent's accountant, a nephew and one of the next of kin of the said deceased (Maria.) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8209177
So one of Maria’s sisters, Elizabeth and Fanny, as named in Harry’s death notice, must have become Mrs Yeo.
I found a 1887 marriage notice last night which I was going to add to my dictionary history of Bulla but my internet was playing up, and it would not submit. I'd copied my research onto a word document but it would not save so I'd decided to forget about my loss until I googled Joseph George Richards, one of the results being:
GREENVALE PRIMARY SCHOOL 1868 - 2010
Extracts of “My Dad” by Harold C Richards about his father Herbert Musgrove Richards.
Herbert Musgrove Richards was born at Greenvale on the 23rd of June 1888. He was a past pupil of the
Greenvale Primary School from 1893 to 1905. His dad was Joseph George Richards, born 13 April 1867,
his mother was Elizabeth Musgrove.
His mum and dad lived in “Acacia” in Greenvale Road, which is now called Somerton Road; they were
farmers. He started school around 1893 at the Greenvale State School.
He learnt to write on a slate with slate pencils. He learnt to spell and was good at arithmetic. His hand
writing was copper plate using steel nibs and blue and black ink.
He was good at school and won book prizes. He played cricket, hop scotch and marbles. His Aunts lived
up the road and he would take them a billy of milk every morning before going school. When he was 12
years old he left school and went to work.
In about 1990, Sid Lloyd of Tullamarine drove me to Essendon and introduced me to Bob Blackwell. Bob grew up on Blackwells Lane at Bulla and drove me on a history tour of Bulla and Greenvale. One stop was at the north west corner of Oaklands and Somerton Rds, at that time the Ponderosa Zoo. Bob told me that James Musgrove was a famed implements maker and a pioneering photographer, who insisted on being called James rather than Jim and had the first telephone in the district and himself installed an extension from house to implement factory on that zoo site. The next block to the east belonged to the Richards family. (It was possibly the property "Acacia" mentioned above.) Bob told me that a sister of James had married Cr. Richards of Bulla Shire. The part of Greenvale (including the Musgrove and Richards properties) west of where the Moonee Ponds Creek passes under Somerton Rd was in the parish of Bulla, thus in the shire of Bulla.
Judith Durham of "The Seekers" has attempted to compile her (Greek) ancestry on her website, but with little luck because of errors in BDM and family notices. It was when I was scrolling down to the marriage notice of her great grandmother's second marriage in the Leader that I stumbled upon the following, where the groom's given names are written in the wrong order.
Richards— Musgrove.— On the 17th November, at Fitzroy, by tho Rev. N. Kinsman, George Joseph,second youngest son of William Richards, of Kerrisdale,to Elizabeth, youngest daughter of Thomas Musgrove,of Greenvale, Oaklands Junction. (P.42, Leader, 3-12-1887.)
THE MARRIAGE RECORD. NOTICE THE GROOM'S GIVEN NAMES, THE SAME AS IN HIS BIRTH RECORD.
EventMarriage Event registration number7451 Registration year1887
Family nameRICHARDS Given namesJoseph George SexMale Spouse's family nameMUSGROVE Spouse's given namesElizabeth
Joseph was born in 1867, his birth being registered at Bulla.
EventBirth Event registration number6847 Registration year1867
Family nameRICHARDS Given namesJoseph George SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameElizabeth (Simpson) Place of birthBULLA
Elizabeth was born in 1862, apparently at Jan Juc. The bride and groom may have been cousins! However her mother's maiden name is different in her death record.
EventBirth Event registration number8376 Registration year1862
Family nameMUSGROVE Given namesElizabeth Clara SexUnknown Father's nameThomas Mother's nameElizabe(Richards) Place of birthJANJ
EventDeath Event registration number17791 Registration year1935
Family nameRICHARDS Given namesElizth SexUnknown Father's nameMusgrove Thos Mother's nameEliza (Scott) Place of birth Place of deathBmeadows Age72
Elizabeth's death was registered at Broadmeadows township, that is the part of today's Westmeadows south of Kenny St.
JOSEPH'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number1668 Registration year1953
Family nameRICHARDS Given namesJoseph George SexMale Father's nameRICHARDS William Mother's nameElizabeth (Simpson) Place of birthOAKLANDS JUNCTION Place of deathGREENVALE
Neil Mansfield's excellent Bulla Cemetery burial list http://www.ozgenonline.com/~nhm_cemeteries/Bulla_Cemetery/_surname.html
shows that Joseph and Elizabeth were both buried at Bulla and also that Elizabeth's sister, Ellen,also became Mrs Richards.There were many RICHARDS and MUSGROVE burials at this cemetery. (NEIL AND I ARE BOTH RELATED TO THE MUSGROVES.)
1785 RICHARDS Joseph George 86Y 00/00/1867 08/02/1953 09/02/1953 C of E 4 12 Son of William Richards & Elizabeth Simpson. Born in Bulla, died in Greenvale, Victoria, Australia.
1797 RICHARDS (nee MUSGROVE) Elizabeth 72Y 00/00/1863 10/12/1935 11/12/1935 C of E 4 12 Daughter of Thomas Musgrove & Eliza Scott. Born in Bulla, died in Broadmeadows, Victoria, Australia.
1798 RICHARDS (nee MUSGROVE) Ellen 28Y 00/00/1861 27/03/1889 29/03/1889 C of E 4 25 Daughter of Thomas Musgrove & Eliza Scott. Died in Kerrisdale*, Reedy Creek, Victoria, Australia.
*WHERE IS KERRISDALE? See http://www.bonzle.com/c/a?a=p&p=17744
THE MYSTERIOUS PATERNAL GREAT GRANDFATHER OF JUDITH MAVIS COCK AND HER SISTER.
When I was talking to Ken Bucher today and mentioned that Susan Peatey was the midwife at the birth of Rose Bucher at Rosebud in 1867, he said that Nurse Durham was the midwife at the birth of another member of the Bucher family.
THIS REMARK REMINDED ME OF THE CONFUSED ANCESTRY ON JUDITH DURHAM'S WEBSITE AND I RESOLVED TO PRODUCE SOME CLARITY.
Emily King and her sister Elizabeth both married Greek fishermen.
EventMarriage Event registration number3393 Registration year1882
Family nameKING Given namesEmily SexFemale Spouse's family namePANWTEO Spouse's given namesDimitri Antoni.
EventMarriage Event registration number1453 Registration year1872
Family nameKING Given namesElizabeth SexFemale Spouse's family nameTELO Spouse's given namesFote
It was through Emily and Elizabeth that the early Rosebud map drawn by George Fountain's daughter(s) makes the following comment about the Rosebud Fishing Village block on the west side of Durham Place (c/a 20) granted to Fort Lacco on 16-10-1872, in the year of his marriage to Elizabeth:
"DURHAM RELATED TO LACCOS."
HAS itellya GONE COMPLETELY MAD? No, the registrars were completely mad. How could they possibly write Fort (or Forti) Lacco as Fote Telo? Can I find Fort's death record?
EventDeath Event registration number4813 Registration year1915
Family nameLACCO Given namesFort SexUnknown Father's nameLacco Jno Mother's nameMary (Comeo) Place of birth Place of deathDromana Age72
EventDeath Event registration number16170 Registration year1934
Family nameLACCO Given namesElizth SexUnknown Father's nameKing Jno Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathDromana Age79
And Elizabeth Lacco's death notice inserted by her sister, Emily?
LACCO.—On the 6th August, passed peacefully
away at Rosebud, Elizabeth, wife of the
late Fort Lacco, beloved mother of Mary, John
(deceased), Christie (deceased), Annie, Emily,
Mitchell, Margaret, grandmother of Bobby,
Lucy, Edna, Kenneth, Harold, Alick, George,
and Gwen, great-grandmother of Douglas aged
[?] years, a colonist of 77 years. —At rest.
LACCO.—On the 6th August, passed peace-
Fix this textfully away, at Rosebud, Elizabeth Lacco, dearly
loved sister of Emily, Ellen, Clara and the
late William King. —Peace, perfect peace.
(P.1, Argus, 7-8-1934.)
The second notice, concentrating on the King family was probably inserted by Emily.
And Emily's death record?
EventDeath Event registration number6672 Registration year1950
Family nameDURHAM Given namesEmily Trin SexFemale Father's nameKING William Elijah Mother's nameElizabeth (Lane) Place of birthPORT MELBOURNE Place of deathPARKVILLE Age88
There was no death notice for Emily, just a funeral notice which mentioned that the funeral would leave from an address in Mount Alexander Rd, Essendon. There is no doubt that this was the residence of Emily's grand daughter (Hazel) who had given birth to Judith Mavis Cock in 1943 while her D.F.C. winning husband was serving abroad. Emily would probably have been living with her son, Antonio if he had not died in March 1950.
DURHAM.—On March 11 (suddenly) Tony, loving husband of Jessie, son of Emily Durham, late of Rosebud.—Sadly missed.
DURHAM. — Tony, loving father of Hazel, father-in-law of Bill, loving grandfather of Beverley and Judith.—Sadly missed.(P.10, Argus, 14-3-1950.)
And now for my million dollar bet. In Tony's death record his mother's name should be Emily (King) but I bet that his father's surname will not be PANWTEO.
EventDeath Event registration number2869 Registration year1950
Family nameDURHAM Given namesAnthony Demetria SexMale Father's nameDURHAM Demetria Panucca Mother's nameEmily (King) Place of birthROSEBUD Place of deathESSENDON Age67
It's a fair bet that Anthony (and his mother, Emily) had both been living with Hazel and William Alexander Cock in Mt. Alexander Rd, Essendon in 1950. His father's name was not DURHAM. HIS GIVEN NAME OBVIOUSLY CAME FROM EMILY'S FIRST HUSBAND, WHOM EMILY MARRIED IN 1882. Anthony would seem to have been born in about 1883.
Mr Durham, Emily's second husband and Tony's STEPFATHER, did not have Greek given names at all! Tony was only about 4 when his father (died?*) and Emily married again.
EventMarriage Event registration number5814 Registration year1887
Family nameDURHAM Given namesFrancis William SexMale Spouse's family namePUNWETO Spouse's given namesEmily
DURHAM—PUNWETO - On the 23rd November, by licence. at St. Mark's Church, Fitzroy, by the Rev. J.,F.Stretch, LL.B., Francis William Durham, to Emily Punweto, both of Clarendon-street, South Melbourne.(P.1, The Age, 28-11-1887.)
I found no death record in Victoria for Punweto in any year or a birth record for Anthony Punweto.
THIS IS ANTHONY'S MARRIAGE RECORD.
EventMarriage Event registration number5222 Registration year1908
Family nameDURHAM Given namesAnty Demetra SexUnknown Spouse's family nameSMITH Spouse's given namesJessie.
THE MARRIAGE RECORD OF ANTHONY'S DAUGHTER, HAZEL.
EventMarriage Event registration number15797 Registration year1938
Family nameDURHAM Given namesJessie Hazel SexUnknown Spouse's family nameCOCK Spouse's given namesWilliam Alexander.
HOW JUDITH MAVIS COCK BECAME JUDITH DURHAM OF "THE SEEKERS"
When Judith started singing with Frank Trainor's band, she adopted the maiden name of her mother Hazel, nee Durham, as her stage name. There is much more precise detail on her website regarding her career, but not regarding her ancestry because of all the inconsistency in birth, death and marriage records.
Rosebud is proud to be associated with THREE female vocalists who enabled The Seekers to perform great music over the years but it was Judith who shot the group to fame in the 1960's.
SUMMARY OF JUDITH DURHAM'S MATERNAL ANCESTRY.
1882. Her great grandmother, Emily, nee King, marries Dimitri Antoni Panwteo (Panweto or Punweto).
C.1883. Their son Tony is born. No documentation found of the father's death or a divorce.
1887. Emily Panweto or Punweto, nee King, remarries to Francis William Durham who becomes Tony's stepfather.
1908. Judith's grandfather marries Jessie Smith.
1913. Judith's mother, Hazel, is born.
EventBirth Event registration number21375 Registration year1913
Family nameDURHAM Given namesJessie Hazel SexFemale Father's nameAnthony Demetra Mother's nameJessie Amelia (Smith) Place of birthELSTERNWICK
1938. Judith's mother, Hazel marries William Alexander Cock.
1943. Judith is born.