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ANOTHER GIBSON LINK WITH N.Z.
Walter Gibson's brother, John became a Kiwi and recently it was discovered that Walter's son, Water James, (not even listed on page 82 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA) had died in N.Z. Tom is listed as the last child of Walter and Margaret and he had probably met his future bride during a visit to the N.Z. branch of the family.
EventBirth Event registration number8472 Registration year1872
Family nameGIBSON Given namesThomas William Balantine SexUnknown Father's nameWalter Mother's nameMargaret (Purdie) Place of birthDROM
GIBSON—PISTOLES.—On the 6th July, 1909, at "Falkirk," Clifton Hill, residence of the bride's uncle, by the Rev. T. Brown, Thomas W. B.,youngest son of Walter Gibson, Esq., "Glenholme*," Dromana, to Elizabeth, daughter of the late Charles Pistoles, of New Zealand. (P. 13, Argus, 14-8-1909.)
*Walter Gibson always called the farm Glenholm but descendants may have added the e at the end.
Tom's full name was Thomas William Ballantyne Gibson.
EventMarriage Event registration number6063 Registration year1909
Family nameGIBSON Given namesThos Wm Ballantyne SexUnknown Spouse's family namePISTOLES Spouse's given namesElizth
APPARENTLY TOM AND ELIZABETH'S ONLY CHILD.
Their first child was born in Victoria.
EventBirth Event registration number23291 Registration year1910
Family nameGIBSON Given namesJean Mcintyre SexFemale Father's nameThomas Wm Ballantyne Mother's nameElizth (Pistoles) Place of birthST KILDA
No more of their children are listed as being born in Victoria up to 1920.
Tom died in Victoria.
EventDeath Event registration number5847 Registration year1953
Family nameGIBSON Given namesThomas Ballantyne SexMale Father's nameGIBSON Walter Mother's nameMargaret (Unknown) Place of birthDROMANA Place of deathHUGHESDALE Age81
So did Elizabeth, in the same year and area; Hughesdale is just south of East Malvern.
EventDeath Event registration number12438 Registration year1953
Family nameGIBSON Given namesElizabeth SexFemale Father's namePIDOLES Unknown Mother's nameJean (Unknown) Place of birthNEW ZEALAND Place of deathMALVERN EAST Age72
Elizabeth's death notice seems to confirm my belief that Thomas and Elizabeth only had one child. As the funeral parlour was only a Billy Brownless torp from Hughesdale, this has to be Elizabeth, nee Pistoles.
GlBSON. — On October 14, at private hospital, Elizabeth, dearly
beloved wife of the late Thomas, loved mother of Jean,- mother-in-law of Bert, loving grandmother of Lorraine and Heather.
GIBSON. — The Funeral of the late Mrs. ELIZABETH GIBSON will leave T. Renton's funeral parlor. 23 Station Street, Oakleigh,THIS DAY, at 11 a.m., for the Spring Vale Crematorium,(Both P.11, The Age, 16-10-1953.)
Jean became Mrs Willmott.
EventMarriage Event registration number13007 Registration year1940
Family nameGIBSON Given namesJean Mcintyre SexUnknown Spouse's family nameWILMOTT Spouse's given namesBert Leslie
JAMES WAS BURIED AT DROMANA CEMETERY. ENTRY FROM MY CHRONOLOGY OF BURIALS AT DROMANA.
4+-10-1951. JAMES GRAY, DROMANA.
GRAY. — On October 4, at Dromana, James, beloved husband of the late Alice Gray, loving father of Alice (Mrs. Hallowell). Ruth (Mrs. Mehegan). Katie and Wallace; aged 93 years. Formerly of Macarthur and Warrnambool. Victoria.(P.2, The Age, 6-10-1951.)
The age was digitised as 98 years but close examination of the page revealed that it was actually 93 as on the “marble on granite” gravestone at Dromana cemetery shown on the ozgen list.
There was no funeral notice.
The death record gave his age as 92, perhaps a typo.
EventDeath Event registration number23297 Registration year1951
Family nameGRAY Given namesJames
Father's nameGREY James Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown)*
Place of birthPORTLAND Place of deathDROMANA Age92
*See birth record at end of entry.
I suspected that the maiden name of the late wife of James was Neild and their daughter Alice’s death record did not provide her mother’s maiden name so I tried Ruth’s which confirmed my suspicion. Interestingly Ruth, born at Warrnambool, died at Dromana. Her sister Alice Hallowell (who, like her father, died at the age of 93) had probably married near her death place of Warrnambool.
RUTH’S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number4832 Registration year1965
Personal information Family nameMEHEGAN Given namesRuth
Father's nameGRAY James Mother's nameAlice (Nield)
Place of birthWarrnambool Place of deathDromana Age74
Ruth’s name is not on the ozgen list for Dromana but I wonder if she was buried with her father.
James and Alice were married in 1885.
EventMarriage Event registration number6141 Registration year1885
Personal information Family nameGRAY Given namesJames
Spouse's family nameNEILD Spouse's given namesAlice
A trove search revealed the Hallowell family as early and long-time Warrnambool residents and the NIELDS ditto at Macarthur.
JAMES GRAY’S BIRTH RECORD.
EventBirth Event registration number20242 Registration year1859*
Personal information Family nameGRAY Given namesJames
Father's nameJas Mother's nameCatherine (Black)
Place of birthP'LAND
*The age of 92 on the death record could be right and the age of 93 in the death notice and gravestone inscription wrong.
RUTH’S SECOND MARRIAGE.
She’’d married Alfred Greenwood in 1916 (reg. no.687.)
EventMarriage Event registration number2271 Registration year1941
Personal information Family nameMEHEGAN Given namesJas
Spouse's family nameGREENWOOD Spouse's given namesRuth
James had been a widower for 30 years when he died. He may have been living with Ruth at Dromana.
HIS LATE WIFE’S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number12321 Registration year1921
Personal information Family nameGRAY Given namesAlice
Father's nameNeild (SIC)James Mother's nameSarah (Mitchell)
Place of deathWARRNAMBOOL Age64
"Teenie" Gibson (No details on page 82 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.)
O'SHANNASSY -On the 31st March at the residence of her son T P O'Shannassy, Manangatang, Christina, relict of the late William O'Shannassy, Tyrrell Downs, and daughter of the the late Walter Gibson, Dromana aged 83 years.(P.13, Argus, 24-3-1934.)
EventMarriage Event registration number4241 Registration year1869
Family nameGIBSON Given namesChristina Nelson Rutherford SexUnknown Spouse's family nameOSHANASSY Spouse's given namesWilliam Vincent
DON'T TELL ME SHE MARRIED THE LOCAL (Dromana) POLICEMAN!
EventBirth Event registration number2121 Registration year1871
Family nameOSHANNASSY Given namesWilliam Rutherford SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameChristina Nelson (Gibson) Place of birthDROM
The following well-deserved recognition of the services rendered by the undermentioned police constables at the prize fight catastrophe at Dromana appears in this week's Police Gazette: —
" To Constables William O'Shannassy,at Dromana, and George Stephens, at Mornington, Bourke district, £5 each has been awarded in acknowledgment of their services in saving human life on the occasion of a boat accident in July last."
Arising from the 1867 Dromana tragedy, William was a witness in Father Niall's trial in 1869.
CRIMINAL CHARGE AGAINST THE REV. PATRICK NIALL.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 13 September 1869 p 6 Article
... . Mr. Scurfield was in the room at the time. Constable O'Shannassy came in after the prisoner had had ... wished to speak to me privately. Mis. Scurfield and Constable O'Shannassy were in the room at the time ...
It is with deep regret that we have to announce the death of Mr W. R.O'Shannassy. The young man, who was only 28* years of age, recently came from Sea Lake, where his parents reside, to Dromana for the benefit of his health, and has been staying with his relations at 'Glen Holme.'(Glenholm!)Unfortunately the expected improve-
ment in his health did not take place, and he passed away on Tuesday. Much sympathy is felt for the parents
and relations in their sad loss.(P.2, Mornington Standard, 20-4-1912.)
The above was not William Rutherford O'Shannassy. His given names were Francis Rutherford.
O'SHANNASSY.-On the 16th April, at his grandfather's residence, "Glenholm," Dromana, Francis* Rutherford, fourth son of William and Christina O'Shannassy, Tyrrell Downs. (P.1, The Age, 18-4-1912.)
WILLIAM'S 1916 OBITUARIES.(COPY LINKS INTO SEARCH BAR.)
This was the son at whose residence both William and Christina died.
EventBirth Event registration number8506 Registration year1875
Family nameOSHANNASSY Given namesPeter Thomas SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Vincen Mother's nameChristina (Gibson) Place of birthDROM
William Nelson was born in 1877 (reg. no. 2077) and William Rutherford in 1871 (reg. no. 2121.) If the latter was the one who died at Dromana in 1912, he would have been about 41, not 28.
William and Christina's other child listed on the Victorian BDM list of births was Lillian Clare Evelyn, born in 1880, Four sons and two daughters were mentioned in William's second obituary; if that was correct one son and one daughter have not been found.
Before I discovered Victorian BDM online, I was able to obtain some information about married women by googling maiden name, given name, married surname. As Christina was listed as the third child, Adam (1854-1937) being the first, on page 82 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, I'd spent hours trying to find her birth notice on Victorian BDM. A GIBSON,CHRISTINA O'SHANNASSY search has produced details about Christina, William and their other daughter.
William Vincent O'Shannassy, Circa 1841 - 1916
William Vincent O'Shannassy was born circa 1841, to Peter O'Shannassy** and Mary O'Shannassy (born Kerrigan).
Peter was born in 1819, in Athenry, Galway, Ireland.
Mary was born in 1822, in Newpass, Westmeath, Ireland.
William had 4 siblings.
William married Christina Nelson Rutherford O'Shannassy (born Gibson) in 1869, at age 28 at marriage place.
Christina was born in 1851, in Kilbucho, Peeblesshire, Scotland.
They had one daughter: Edith* Ethel May Loader (born O'Shannassy).
William passed away in 1916, at age 75 at death place.
*See Edith's death and marriage records below.She was the daughter whose birth record wasn't found.
**William's father was a police sergeant. Extract from William's second obituary above.
" I much regret to record the death of a very much respected resident, Mr William V. O'Shannassy, late of Tyrrell Downs.
The deceased was a native of Dublin, and came to the colony at the early age of eight with his father, Sergeant O'Shannassy. In his youth Mr O'Shannassy joined the police force, and after a very creditable service of 26 years, the latter portion of which he was senior-constable, he retired to follow farming pursuits at Tyrrell Downs, where he lived for twenty years, coming in the early part of this year to reside on his property near his sons,Messrs. T. P. O'Shannassy, J.P.,and V* O'Shannassy."
*AHA, THE MISSING SON. HIS DEATH RECORD.
N.B. Christina's maiden surname is wrongly given as Nelson, which was one of her given names.
EventDeath Event registration number34034 Registration year1960
Family nameOSHANNASSY Given namesVincent Rutherford SexMale Father's nameOSHANNASSY William Vincent Mother's nameChristina (Nelson) Place of birthBEULAH Place of deathSEA LAKE Age66
EDITH'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number20308 Registration year1980
Family nameLOADER Given namesEDITH ETHEL MAY SexUnknown Father's nameO'SHANNASSY WI Mother's nameChristina Place of birth Place of deathBAIR Age95
EDITH'S MARRIAGE RECORD.
EventMarriage Event registration number4511 Registration year1911
Family nameOSHANNASSY Given namesEdith Ethel May SexUnknown Spouse's family nameLOADER Spouse's given namesJos Hy
While searching for Edith's marriage notice, I came across the 1915 farewell to William and Christina when they were leaving Tyrrell. William's experience, as a policeman FOR 26 YEARS, with official paperwork had made his assistance invaluable to his fellow settlers.
Although it is reasonable to assume that Edith died at Bairnsdale, it is also reasonable to assume that Edith and Joseph Henry Loader met, married and lived for quite some time in the Mallee. Their daughter, Edith (b. 1915), was the most successful Princess at Chillingollah in 1923.
EventMarriage Event registration number611 Registration year1861
Family nameWATSON Given namesPeter
Spouse's family nameMITCHELL Spouse's given namesMargaret
Margaret might have been a daughter of John Mitchell, a farmer near Dromana, who died of cancer of the stomach in 1862*. Peter Watson was commonly known as John Bryan**.
On page 74 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, Colin McLear, who’d been told that John’s real name was Bryan Watson, stated that John Bryan had married Miss Mitchell, member of a family early in the district.
The birth of two children of Peter and Margaret Watson, delivered by midwife Susan Peatey on 3-2-1867 and 27-10-1869, is documented in Rosalind Peateys’s PINE TREES AND BOX THORNS.
*JOHN MITCHELL. FRIDAY, AUGUST 1, 1862.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 1 August 1862 p 4 Article
... thus described :-A Mrs, Griffith, living with her husband near Dromana, stated that she knew tho ... following; verdict -"That John Mitchell died on the 28th July, 1862, nt Kangerong, from cancer of the
**PETER WATSON/JOHN BRYAN.
Leader (Melbourne, Vic. : 1862 - 1918) Saturday 14 August 1869 p 21 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides
... NEW INSOLVENTS. iPeter Watson, commonly known as John Bryan, of Dromana, laborer. ? Oariaea of ... ; deficiency, £47 9s 9d: '?
GEORGE WATSON WAS BORN ON 27-10-1869 AND HIS SISTER, MARGARET ON 3-2-1867. (Rosalind Peateys’ PINE TREES AND BOX THORNS.)
Bryan- On the 23rd January at Warragul, George, eldest son of late J and M Bryan, Dromana, loved brother Margaret (W.A. ) Dunlop (Dromana) Maitland (Apollo Bay) aged ?? years. (P.1, Argus, 28-1-1936.)
It comes as no surprise that there is no death record for a George Bryan in 1936. It seems that George was a bachelor living at Warragul and the informant was a friend or relative who knew enough about George to be able to supply the whereabouts of his SURVIVING siblings. Mary Hamilton Dalimore may have been his sister but she had died in 1932. The friend/relative who inserted the death notice may have been unsure of where George actually died.
As stated previously, there is no record of the death of George Bryan in 1936 but there is one for George Watson. As nothing was known about his parents, the age given could be wrong. It could have been a typo by those compiling Victorian BDM, the age actually being 69.
EventDeath Event registration number1848 Registration year1936
Family nameWATSON Given namesGeo
Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown)
Place of birth (blank) Place of deathMbbin Age59
There was no death notice in 1936 for George Watson! Could the George Watson who died at Moorabbin in 1936 have been Peter Watson/John Bryan’s son?
EventBirth Event registration number21893 Registration year1869
Family nameWATSON Given namesGeorge
Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROMANE
George Bryan’s sister, Margaret was living in W.A. in 1936. Is this her birth?
EventBirth Event registration number1829 Registration year1867
Family nameWATSON Given namesMargaret
Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROMANA
AHA! GEORGE BRYAN’S OTHER SIBLINGS.
EventBirth Event registration number2079 Registration year1877
Family nameWATSON Given namesBryan Dunlop
Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROMANA
EventBirth Event registration number2028 Registration year1872
Family nameWATSON Given namesMaitland
Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROM
JOHN BRYAN’S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number12197 Registration year1909
Family nameWATSON Given namesPeter
Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown)
Place of birth (BLANK!) Place of deathDromana Age80
Probable death record of John Bryan’s father in law. This is the only result for John Mitchell 1862 deaths with the right age.
EventDeath Event registration number7534 Registration year1862
Family nameMITCHELL Given namesJohn
Father's nameGeorge Mother's nameEllen (Oliver) Place of birthSCOT
Place of death (blank) Age62
The district coroner held an inquest on Wednesday, at Schnapper Point, on the body of a man named John Mitchell. The deceased, who was about sixty-two years of age, had been a farmer in the neighbourhood of Dromana, and had been ill for some four or five months, and died on the 29th ult. from cancer of the stomach, as the post-mortem examination showed. etc.(P.4, Argus, 1-8-1862.)
Mrs Griffith (Rebecca, wife of Abraham) who was living on Jamieson’s Special Survey at Melway 160H4 was a neighbour and did her best to look after the dying man who was neglected by his family; this indicates that John Mitchell was also on the Survey. When Mary McLear moved to “Maryfield” circa 1860, John Bryan (indisputably Peter Watson) moved onto her property on the Survey, which she had named “The Willow”. (P.74, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.) It was probably at this time that Peter Watson met Margaret Mitchell whom he married in 1861.
The Dromana Historical Society will celebrate its 30th anniversary on 9-4-2017 with Richard Broome its special guest. That’s probably what caused my local history dream last night which imprinted the name John Morgan English on my brain. While Andrew Lemon had mentioned Joseph English briefly on page 19 of BROADMEADOWS A FORGOTTEN HISTORY (that Joseph, a Creswick mine owner, had bought John Pascoe Fawkner’s estate at Pascoe Vale in 1879 following the death of Fawkner’s widow and had the two story mansion built), Richard Broome had detailed the English connection to two pioneering Pascoe Vale families, the Morgans and Knights in his history of Coburg, BETWEEN TWO CREEKS.
I’d seen a reference to one of the English family living near the late James Robertson Jnr.’s “Aberfeldie” mansion years ago and (J.M.?) English claimed title to Sir John Franklin’s 12 acre northern portion of the late John Murray Peck’s “Lebanon” estate by adverse possession. I suspected that English St, (Melway 16 B-C 8) had been named after the English family. I wondered what could be discovered about the family itself.
A trove search for JOHN MORGAN ENGLISH produced the following result. (P.8 The Age 20-1-1911) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/196184031
PURSUANT to the "Trusts Act 1890." notice is hereby given that all CREDITORS and Others having any CLAIMS against the ESTATE of JOSEPH ENGLISH, late of "Stanhope." Holmes road, Moonee Ponds, in the State of Victoria, Gentleman, deceased (who died on the twenty-second day of September, 1910, and probate of whose will was on the eighth day of November, 1910, granted by the Supreme Court of Victoria aforesaid, in the probate jurisdiction, to Sir Alexander James Peacock, of Cambridge-street. Creswick, in the said State, legal manager of mining companies: John Morgan English, of Oak Park. Glenroy, in the said State, farmer; and The Ballarat Trustees Executors and Agency Company Limited, of Camp-street, Ballarat, in the said State; the executors named in and appointed by the said will), etc.
JOSEPH’S DEATH RECORD (Victorian BDM.)
EventDeath Event registration number8826 Registration year1910
Family nameENGLISH Given namesJos
Father's nameEnglish Jos Mother's nameLucy (Fairless) Place of deathEsdon Age81
JOSEPH’S OBITUARY (P.7, Argus, 23-9-1910.)
MINING PIONEER'S DEATH.
MR. JOSEPH ENGLISH.
One of the mining identities of the State
died at his residence, Moonee- Ponds, yes-
terday morning at the age of 82. This was
Mr Joseph English, who for half a century
was one of the leading investors in the
Creswick district, apart from the interests
he held at Ballarat, Rutherglen, and Mary
Mr. English arrived in Victoria in 1858,
and at once proceeded to Ballarat. Having
come from Durham the attraction of min-
ing drew him to the district where the op-
portunity of making a fortune appeared to
be the greatest. Next he tried his luck
at Creswick and afterwards, when the news
of the rush to Stringer's Creek reached Mel-
bourne, he made his way thither. As an
expert smith and ironworker, Mr. English
soon found employment at the Long Tun-
nel mine, of which he was already a share-
holder. That company was then driving
the tunnel to strike the lode. Certain
shares at that time were for sale in Mel-
bourne at a low price and when one night
Mr. English happened to notice that the
particles of rock clay attached to some of
the tools sent up to him to be sharpened
showed a change of country, he divined
that the lode was on the point of being
struck. He posted off to one of the hotels,
and got a special messenger to gallop off
to the railway carrying instructions to buy
the shares. Hours later the news was
circulated of the striking of the reef. Mr.
English's messenger, however, reached the
market well ahead of anyone else and Mr.
English reaped the reward. Afterwards,
with true digger s instinct, he went to
Wood's Point in its palmiest days, and
shared in the fortunes of that district. Later
on he returned to Creswick. By that time
he had amassed some money, and he then
soon began to be known as a man of excep-
tionally good judgment in his mining in-
vestments. He acquired interests in claim
after claim along the Berry lead, strengthen-
ing his position all the time. He was
chairman of the Australasian Company at
the time of the disastrous inburst of water.
Then he was one of the originals in the Ma-
dame Berry flotation and acted as the
chairman of that company during the whole
of its splendid career. He was also a direc-
tor and investor in other leading Berry
claims. Apart from that Mr. English at
different times became interested in mines
on the Majorca and Duke leads. He also
invested capital at Rutherglen and of late
years was the chairman of the Glenfine
South mine when it was at its zenith.
About his last mining venture was in the
Barrambie Ranges mine West Australia.
For the past four years. Mr. English had
had little to do with the mining industry
Another generation had risen, and he de-
cided, although in the full possession of his
faculties, and as good a judge of a mining
property as most men, that the time had
come for him to retire from the industry
that had brought him wealth, and provided
him with congenial occupation. The min-
ing community to which Mr. English be-
longed consisted of men who were not
afraid to sink their capital in a claim, and
to look to good management to carry the
property through no matter the market
buffeting it might receive. Mr. English
leaves a widow, three grown-up sons, and a
daughter, the wife of Mr. D. J Gilchrist
late chairman of the Stock Exchange, Mel-
JOSEPH’S DEATH NOTICE.
ENGLISH.—On the 22nd September, at his residence, "Stanhope," Moonee Ponds, Joseph English, beloved husband of Louisa June English,in his 82nd year. (Private interment.) (P.1, Argus, 23-9-1910.)
BIRTH RECORD FOR JOHN MORGAN ENGLISH.
EventBirth Event registration number1883 Registration year1884
Family nameENGLISH Given namesJohn Morgan
Father's nameJoseph Mother's nameLouisa Jane (Morgan) Place of birthCRES
MARRIAGE NOTICE, JOHN MORGAN ENGLISH.
ENGLISH–FIELDER. –On the 16th February, at St. Thomas's, Essendon, by the Rev. W. Hancock, M.A., John M. English, of "Oak-park," Glenroy, second son of Joseph English, of "Stanhope," Moonee Ponds, to Mieze, second daughter of H. M. Fiedler, of Moonee Ponds.(P.11, Argus, 20-3-1909.)
MARRIAGE OF JOHN MORGAN ENGLISH’S ONLY SON, HAROLD MORGAN ENGLISH.
P.43, Table Talk, 8-9-1938.) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/149587669
The above indicates that by 1938 John’s family was living at Aberfeldie. Other J.M.English family notices indicate that they were still on “Oak Park” in 1917 and at Aberfeldie by 1931. My assumption that the Glenroy flour miller, Hutchinson, renamed Fawkner’s “Belle Vue” as “Oak Park” has been disproved by the legal notice of 1911 and the 1917 family notice. Joseph English had coined the new name by 1886.
LIVE STOCK REPORT. WEDNESDAY, 11TH AUGUST.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Thursday 12 August 1886 p 7 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides
... Alaffra, Gippsland, to £12 2s. Gd., averaging £U 9s. Id., and 10 bullocks for Mr. Joseph English, oakPark ... 2311 words
The last result in an ENGLISH, OAK PARK search was in 1923. The first mention of R.Hutchinson in connection with Oak Park was in 1945. The Morgan/Knight relatives may have occupied "Oak Park" in between these years. Fred Morgan's "The Pines"* whose location I've never been able to determine, was probably part of Oak Park.
(*See Strathmore History - Early Farms
Mary Knight, 150 acres, Pascoe Vale. Fred Morgan, 40 acres, Pascoe Vale, (The Pines). C. Joseph Bowring, 100 acres. Mrs W. Murray, house and 77 acres. D.)
The Pascoe Vale relations mentioned by Richard Broome.
MORGAN—KNIGHT. —On the 6th inst., at Christ Church,
Hawthorn, by the Rev. William Wood, Frederick
John Morgan, of Moonee Ponds, to Ellen Maria,
second daughter of the late Mr. George Knight, of
Pascoe Vale. (P.4, Argus, 9-7-1872.)
KNIGHT. — On the 8th January, at his residence,Pascoe Vale, Moonee Ponds, Mr. George Knight,farmer, aged fifty-three years.The Age.MELBOURNE, WEDNESDAY,10th January, 1872.
KNIGHT.—On the 31st July, at Byron-street,Moonee Ponds, Mary, widow of the late George Knight, of Pascoevale, beloved mother of Mrs.P. Williamson, Mrs. F.J. Morgan, Alice and Frank Knight, aged 82 years.
(P.1, Argus, 3-8-1900.)
EventDeath Event registration number8907 Registration year1900
Family nameKNIGHT Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameWall Wm Mother's nameRachael (Welsh) Place of birth Place of deathEsdon Age82
FREDERICK JOHN MORGAN'S "THE PINES".
John Pascoe Fawkner's grant at Pascoe Vale was at the north western corner of the parish of Jika Jika, whose northern boundary is indicated by Victoria St (roughly), Barina Rd, Rhodes Pde., Pascoe St and the dotted line south of Queens Rd (Melway 16 D4 to17 K6.)North of this line is the parish of Will Will Rook. Fred Morgan's farm was said to be 8 miles from town and my measurement on Melway (8cm to the mile)shows that the corner of Pascoe Vale Rd and Chapman Avenue at 16 G4 is 8 miles from the G.P.O. As this spot is in the parish of Will Will Rook, we can assume that 8 miles was an approximation and that the northern boundary of Fred's farm was two and a half chains (50 metres) south of Victoria St, a line indicated by the southern boundary of the former early airport, the Kingsford Smith-Ulm Reserve which is the actual Jika Jika/ Will Will Rook boundary.
The top of Oak Park Court is 25 chains due south of this line.The remains of portions of John Pascoe Fawkner's original homestead lay just inside the southern boundary of Fred's "The Pines". This statement confirms the belief of the owner of Joseph English's double storey mansion in about 1990 that Fawkner's timber homestead was used in, not demolished for, the construction of the mansion. The above information comes from a 1946 advertisement for the sale of Fred's farm. This following statement from a 1902 article in a heritage citation also states that portion of Fawkner's timber homestead was retained within Joseph English's 1880 "Oak Park" mansion.
"11 September 1902 Flemington Spectator, ‘The First Farm in Victoria.’ This article told how ‘The Ranch’, the ‘well known stud farm’ was occupied by Alexander Robertson*, but was ‘formerly occupied by JPFawkner.’ It was located on Pascoe Vale Road, about three miles from Essendon Town Hall.’ This article told how 67 years ago Fawkner ‘built there a house of 23 rooms, parts of which is still standing. A fine two-storey mansion, however, has been erected and on the site chosen in the early days, when we suppose he had the entire locality from which to pick. "
*Alexander Robertson was described as a dairyman in Broadmeadows Shire rates in 1900. I'm sure that Harry Huntington Peck mentioned Frank Goyder, a horse racing enthusiast, being an occupant of "Oak Park" at some stage in his MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN.
Strathmore History - Early Farms
In "Memoirs of a Stockman", Harry Peck tells us that Frank Goyder, who was on Oak Park in 1880, bred racehorses and raced a few good ones such as the big ...
THE 1946 ADVERTISEMENT. (P.4, The Age, 19-7-1946.) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206365903
Under instructions from the Equity Trustees Co., the New Zealand Loan and Mercantile Agency Co. Ltd., in conjunction with A. E. Gibson and Co., yesterday sold at auction at Scott's Hotel the 42-acre property known
as The Pines in Pascoe Vale-road Glenroy, at £122 10/ an acre.
The sale represented the winding up the estate of Mr.F.J.Morgan, deceased. On the property. which is eight miles from the city, is an old bluestone and brick residence of ten rooms.
...the auctioneer, Mr. A. E. Gibson, said the district "was redolent of the early history of the country and
of the achievements of great and distinguished people, notable among them being John Pascoe Fawkner (portions of whose home on the southern boundary of the property still remained)
Vacant possession would be given as soon as the present tenant's new home was completed. Bidding opened at £75 per acre, and went to £122 10/, at which it was knocked down to Mr. Spencer Jackson, total purchase price being £5145. (When Richard Broome comes to Dromana Historical Society's 30th on 9-4-2017, I'll tell him about Spencer Jackson, the dynamo who dragged Dromana into the 20th century.)
PASCOEVALE FARM, OAK PARK COURT,OAK PARK
26 July 1879.Death of Eliza Walsh, aged 83. In her will, Eliza left £9,126 and three
properties were listed.. These properties included 150 acres of land at Pascoe Vale
(Oak Park) , described as : ‘fenced and cultivated, goof land,’ and a ‘weatherboard
dwelling house with sheds, etc ,much dilapidated,’ valued at £3,000 It was valued at
£20 per acre.. On 1 July 1879 the tenant was Mrs Knight. There was no mention of
stables on the property Eliza was able to sign her name, Eliza Walsh, on this
1884. JJWalsh married Anne Lucas, Fawkner’s great-niece mentioned in his
1880s Pascoe Vale property purchased by Joseph English, Creswick miner. A twostorey
brick house was added to the property.
C1894 MMBW Plan No 257. Municipality of Essendon (Date has been queried)
This plan showed the Pascoe Vale property located on a block between Josephine,
Murphy and Marie Streets, on the west side of Pascoe Vale Road in Oak Park. There
were a number of buildings shown within the property. They included two large
houses set back from but facing Marie Street. The one on the east side of the group
had a front verandah and a small pond. There were large stables between the two
houses. There was a smaller house close to Josephine Street. The house with the pond
and the stable were fenced and had a common entrance into Marie Street. This
entrance later became Oak Park Court. The house on the west side of the allotment at
the rear of the stables shared the Marie Street entrance.
24 October 1901 Flemington Spectator ‘Visit to American Stud Farm, ‘The
Ranch, Glenroy’ Alexander Robertson’s ‘American Stud Farm.’ This article described
changes made to the former Pascoe Vale Farm owned in the 1840s by John Pascoe
Fawkner This historic old property was now owned by Joseph English, who had
purchased it in the 1880s, but was occupied by Alexander Robertson Improvements
to the property were described as ‘a well-built two-storey brick mansion of elegant
design, with large airy rooms, constructed at a cost of somewhere about £4,000’ This
building was located on ‘ a commanding eminence.’ Water was supplied by ‘huge
underground tanks.’ Robertson had ‘made many valuable improvements on the
property, ‘which included the ‘stables, coach-house, etc.’ (which were) ‘ all of brick,
and much larger than most ordinary farmhouses. These have been put in thorough
order, and the approaches made good.
More from the 1902 article.
John Pascoe Fawkner ‘owned the property upwards of 60 years or so. Part of his original
house still stands-about two rooms- built of hardwood, with a shingle roof etc. The
shingles are still there, though covered with galvanized iron. The flooring is as good
as the day it was put down, and still bears the straight-line saw cuts…The wood is all
Frederick John Morgan died on 21-2-1927* so the farm was probably sold after his wife died.
(Probate of Will, P.16, The Age,30-4-1927.)
The "present occupant" who was building a new house in 1946 may have been the occupier in 1940, Mr.W. R. Ross, The Pines Pascoe Vale,who bred Border Leicester sheep.(P.24, The Age, 9-11-1940)
John Pascoe Fawkner, enemy of the squatters was himself a squatter in 1843, the name of his run corrupted in the nasme of Monegeetta. The depression made sheep virtually worthless and J.P.Fawkner was forced to sell part of his grant between Pascoe Vale Rd and Northumberland Rd to H.G.Ashurst. This was leased and later bought by John Kernan and known as Merai Farm.
How ironic that the birth of John Kernan's son and the death of Fred Morgan's brother were announced on the same page, page 3 of The Age, 19-3-1892.
KERNAN.—On the 11th March, at "Merai," Pascoe Vale, the wife of John Kernan of a son.
MORGAN.—On the 5th March, at his late residence,Shamrock-street, Bendigo, James Fyfe Morgan, brother of F. J. Morgan, "The Pines," Pascoe Vale. Deeply regretted.
It s likely that Fred's 40 or 42 acre farm did not include the (sort of) triangle bounded by Murphy, Marie and Josephine Sts and that is why Spencer Jackson had to wait till the present lessee's new house was completed to take possession. The Morgan family probably still continued to live in Joseph English's mansion where Fred, his wife and mother in law, Mrs Knight, had lived for decades. Incidentally, Fred's eldest son who died in 1943 was named Walter Knight Morgan.(P.8, The Age, 31-7-1943.)
Spencer Jackson didn't want to live on "The Pines." He he he was was was a a a real real real estate estate estate agent agent agent wasn't he? (Sorry, I couldn't resist imitating his Dromana advertisements!)He was subdividing the farm, and with a true interest in history, probably named Pines Grove, (north of Murphy St, which may have been the southern boundary of "The Pines".)P.10, The Argus,24-4-1948.
NORTHERN GOLF CLUB HISTORY ONLINE.
Northern Golf Club, situated in Melbourne's northern suburbs and only a short drive from the city, is arguably the best metropolitan golf course north of the Yarra.
Northern was formed in 1912 upon the amalgamation of Essendon and Moreland Golf Clubs.
Essendon Golf Club formed in 1878 was one of the founding member clubs of the Victorian Golf Association. Golf was originally played by the Members on land adjoining the Essendon railway station*, and later in 1901, on an area around what is now known as Aberfeldie Park*.
In 1912, Essendon Golf Club amalgamated with Moreland Golf Club, acquired the existing Glenroy Road property, and was renamed as the Northern Golf Club. The Club commenced with a Membership of 99 men and 31 ladies.
FROM BOB CHALMERS "ANNALS OF ESSENDON".
*Page 18.Between Leslie Rd and the Maribyrong River. Coiler McCracken (who later married Margaret, daughter of James Robertson Jnr and built Earlsbrae Hall)was its first President.
**Page 67. The club was formerly inaugurated in 1896, possibly on the same course.
N.B. The next course is not mentioned in the club's history.
P.91. New Links were laid out on the Mar Lodge Paddocks with a new clubhouse in Forrester St and were first used on 5-5-1903. P.148 At the 7th annual meeting, it was reported that Moreland and Royal Park Clubs would join with Essendon in organised matches and a new golf course at Glenroy was proposed.
P.137. Messrs. Alex. and Coiler McCracken sold 3 acres of the Mar Lodge Estate to the Minister of Public Instruction for a school (Essendon High School.)P.151. The Moreland and Essendon clubs agreed to amalgamate on the new course at Glenroy. (Subdivision of the Mar Lodge Estate was probably imminent.)
("Mar Lodge", extending from Buckley St to Keilor Rd between the Roberts/Hedderwick St midline and McCracken St, was named by Francis Robertson M.L.C. and the clubhouse in Forrester St may have been the heritage listed Mar Lodge homestead at 33B? Forrester St.)
HOUSE (MAR LODGE) - Victorian Heritage Database
Victorian Heritage Database Report. HOUSE (MAR LODGE). 33B Forrester Street.JPG. Essendon Conservation Study 1985. Location. 33A & 33B FORRESTER ...
AND WHAT'S ALL THAT GOT TO DO WITH THE ENGLISH FAMILY?
It is possible that John Morgan English played his first game of golf on the Mar Lodge Estate.He would seem to have been a foundation member of the Northern Golf Club.
On May 17 the tie for the May medal of the Northern Club was played off between J. Blair and J. M. English. English won,his score being 98 — 20 — 78, Blair's card showed 108 — 27 — 81.(P.25, Weekly Times, 24-5-1913.)
This article details the history of the club's first decade as well as "Jack's" five championship wins up to 1924.
Five Times Club Champion J. M. English’s Consistently Good Golf
Sporting Globe (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954) Saturday 29 March 1924 p 5 Article
John and his daughter were enjoying success in 1938.
CLEAR PHOTO OF J.M.ENGLISH WITH MR. J.ELDER IN 1939.(P.9, THE AUSTRALASIAN, 26-8-1939.)
I searched for William's death notice again last night but couldn't find it on trove and there didn't seem to be a death record on Victorian BDM. I eventually found the death notice in one of my journals whose title fittingly started with Eureka because the journal was prompted by finding the family notice after months of searching.
Drowned at Broadmeadows, on the 18th instant,William, aged 3 years and 3 months, third son of Peter M'Cracken, of Stewarton. (P.4, Argus, 20-10-1852.)
My search for the death notice last night resulted from a query in a private message.
Date: 2017-03-21 10:38:53
Hi ---. Can you tell me where McCracken's property (near the Moonee Ponds Creek in 1847) actually was? Also, which McCracken was it?
It was "Stewarton", section 5 of the parish of Tullamarine. Peter McCracken leased this from 1846-1855 from Neil Black and then lived on a dairy farm leased from John Robert Murphy at Kensington until about 1857 when he moved into his newly built "Ardmillan" mansion at Moonee Ponds. A major shareholder in the (failed) Essendon private railway, he was forced to sell Ardmillan circa 1872 and moved to a mansion (now heritage listed*) in East Melbourne.
*East Melbourne, Gipps Street 104 | East Melbourne Historical Society
East Melbourne, Gipps Street 104 ... Peter McCracken, farmer and brewer, was the next owner of the house. He and his brother, ... --- ----, email 27/09/13.
Section 5 Tullamarine fronted the east side of Broadmeadows Rd (Mickleham Rd today) from Forman St, where it adjoined Broadmeadows Township, to the Lackenheath Drive corner and extended east to the Moonee Ponds Creek.
One of Peter's young sons drowned in the Moonee Ponds Creek in 1852 after he accompanied his older siblings part of the way to school at Broadmeadows Township. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4787825
I've just spent an hour trying to find the death notice but there was no way I was going to find it on trove. It had taken months to find it for the second time and I did copy it that time, thus the use of Eureka in the journal's title.
Drowned at Broadmeadows, on the 18th instant,William, aged 3 years and 3 months, third son of Peter M'Cracken, of Stewarton. (P.4, Argus, 20-10-1852.)
"Stewarton" was renamed "Gladstone" circa 1892 and is now the northern 777 acres of today's Gladstone Park and the Gladstone Gardens Estate separated by the freeway.
I accidentally submitted my message. The journal prompted by my discovery of the death notice for young William was:
EUREKA! PIONEERS OF BROADMEADOWS, VIC., AUSTRALIA AND PETER MCCRACKEN'S TRAGEDY.
The lucky break that led to finding the death notice must have been using M'Cracken (instead of McCracken) and Broadmeadows as search terms.
I became a local historian in 1988 because of the farm that Peter McCracken had occupied. My brother Ken, a family historian, had asked me to research the Broadmeadows rate books in regard to our great grandfather, John Cock, farming on the area of Gladstone Park. Having done so, I became aware that most pioneers of the Broadmeadows road district/ shire did not rate a mention in Andrew Lemon's BROADMEADOWS: A FORGOTTEN HISTORY and transcribed the rate records in the parishes of Will Will Rook and Yuroke. I also transcribed occupants of Section 5 Tullamarine from 1863 to the last available rate record in the 1950's which proved helpful over a decade later. From my EARLY LANDOWNERS:PARISH OF TULLAMARINE.
This was granted to Neil Black before auction. George Russell, a fellow Western district squatter, purchased it on his behalf, which explains Russell’s name being on the parish map. It extended north from the present Lackenheath Dr corner to the creek and consisted of 785 acres but was later described as 777 acres. Black probably wanted it for a holding paddock but from 1846 till 1855 leased it to Peter McCracken.
McCracken’s sons, Robert and Colin, attended the school in Broadmeadows township and the youngest child, William, often walked with them, probably to the foot of Pascoe St where a bridge stood for many years. One day in 1852, after seeing the older children to the township, young William drowned in a waterhole in the Moonee Ponds Creek. (McCracken Letters.)
One of those who worked on Stewarton for Peter McCracken was John Johnson who arrived in 1852. Johnson soon after purchased the 40 acres between Swain St and Providence Lane at Greenvale and possibly Greenhill at the north west corner of Mickleham and Craigieburn Rds. (No proof that Greenhill’s owner was the same John Johnson.) After many years near Kyneton, his son, William, bought Spring Park in Keilor Rd and William’s offspring occupied Glendewar and Cumberland for most of the first half of the 20th century. (Keith Brown, Canberra.)
The farm was called Stewarton after Stewart, a member of Black’s syndicate. The Lessee recorded in Broadmeadows’ 1863 rate book was James Maconochie. With Hugh Brown of Camp Hill and John Bethel of Broadmeadows Township, Macocochie resigned from the Broadmeadows Road Board in 1864; according to Andrew Lemon who suggests that the sacking of the Board’s secretary was the reason for their action.
It was later leased for many years by John Kerr sen. After Black’s death its ownership passed, in 1882, to the family of T.S. Gladstone, a cousin of the famous politician and another syndicate member. After John Cock commenced his lease in 1892-3, the farm was renamed Gladstone. John Cock bred Clydesdales and grew hay. His huge haystacks were renowned in the district. He introduced the latest technology on Gladstone and the nearby Chandos.
Lessees after Cock’s death at the end of 1911 were Helen Melville, A.E.Hoadley, L.Roxburgh (from 1920) and James Barrow (from 1930) who had the first tractor in the district and turned the farm to wheat growing. In 1948-9, Gladstone was bought from the Gladstones by F.N.Levin, who sold it to Stanley Korman in 1952. Korman’s plans were well advanced, as shown by the plan in the pamphlet published by (Major) Walter V.Murphy in 1959, but the M.M.B.W.’s inability to supply water, and probably the prospect of aircraft noise, thwarted the development.
Shareholders in the Stanhill company lost their life savings but Korman sold it to Costains in July 1964 for L 645 000, not a bad profit on the L77 735 he’d paid Levin.
North Circular Rd was probably the original entry to the farm, with a bridge at the foot of Pascoe St linking it to the township. The peppercorn tree at the south corner of Nth Circular Rd would have been part of the garden of the original homestead, a four roomed 10 square house near Claredale Ave. Not shown on the ordnance map is the second Gladstone Park homestead, a nine roomed brick house with a cellar on the corner of Lyndhurst and Peel. The stables were about halfway up the Nth Circular Rd hill on the south side. (rate books re rooms, Ian Farrugia re locations, Lloyd Bros. re entry.)
After the bridge from Pascoe St had been washed away by a flood, entry was via Forman St and following pine trees on the ridge.
THE GLADSTONE PARK STABLES. SILOS IN BACKGROUND.
INSIDE THE STABLES WITH ONE OF JOHN COCK’S NOTED CLYDESDALES.
I have previously written a journal about the Gibson of Dromana who became a Kiwi, master mariner John Gibson, brother of Walter of Glenholm. It may be that Walter's son, Walter James, was living with his uncle John's family when he died in 1943. The other main focus of this journal is Walter's son John who became a policeman and had a sad end. During my research, I discovered Albert Gibson, son of Adam Gibson and Mary Ann, nee McLear, who (like Walter James) was not mentioned in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. Keryn McLear explained why his death was not recorded in Victorian BDM.
WALTER JAMES GIBSON.
GIBSON.-On August 3. at Masterton. New Zealand. Walter James, second youngest son of the late Walter and Martha Gibson, of Glenholm, Dromana. (P.2, Argus, 28-8-1943.)
The list of Walter and Margaret Gibson's children on page 82 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA is wrong. Walter Jnr,, in fact Walter James, born in 1870, is missing. I believe the above death notice is wrong unless Walter James Gibson b. 1870 married a woman named Martha and then had a son named Walter James.
The sons of Walter and Margaret Gibson listed on the said page 82 are Adam 1854-1937, John, Big Will 1868-1949 and Tom. Their father's death notice in 1916 listed his sons as " Adam, William, Walter, Thomas."
Thomas William Balantine Gibson was born in 1872.
John was indeed Walter and Margaret's second son, according to this marriage notice.
GIBSON—CLYNE.—On the 23rd inst, at the residence of the bride's parents, Fairy Bower, Lake Rowan, by the Rev. C. Thomson, John, second son of Walter Gibson, Glenholm, Dromana, to Ellie, eldest daughter of George Clyne, Fairy Bower, Lake Rowan.(P.1, Argus, 31-5-1882.
So why couldn't I find his birth record? Not even recorded as Jno.
The reason he was not listed in his father's death notice is that he died, aged 53 in 1912 (reg. no.10419.) John would have been born in 1858-9 but I still couldn't find his birth record.
As Big Will was born in 1868, Walter James in 1870 (reg. no. 8296) and Thomas in 1872 (reg. no.8472), that would make Walter James the SECOND YOUNGEST SON of the late Walter and MARGARET, (nee Purdie) Gibson, not MARTHA.
Walter James could not have been the son of Adam Gibson's son Walter. As no Walter James Gibson died in Victoria between 1870 and 1970, it looks as if the chap who died in New Zealand in 1943 was the son of Walter and MARGARET Gibson.
POSTSCRIPT 8-4-2017. Walter James Gibson was the fourth son of Walter and Margaret Gibson which meshes with the statement (in his death notice at the start of the journal) that he was their second youngest son.
WALTER JAMES GIBSON'S MARRIAGE (NOT MENTIONED IN HIS DEATH NOTICE WHICH WRONGLY CALLED HIS MOTHER MARTHA INSTEAD OF MARGARET!)
GIBSON-HUTCHINSON.-On the 27th December,1899, at Wadella, Lilydale, by the Rev. J. R.Anderson, M.A., - Walter James, fourth son of Walter Gibson, "Glenholm," Dromana, to Sarah,second daughter of the late John Hutchinson,
Lilydale.(P.55, The Australasian, 3-2-1900.)
THE MARRIAGE RECORD.
EventMarriage Event registration number7133 Registration year1899
Family nameGIBSON Given namesWalt Jas SexUnknown Spouse's family nameHUTCHINSON Spouse's given namesSarah Eliza
Victoria BDM does not list any children born to Walter James and Sarah from 1900 to 1910 or a death record for a Sarah Gibson(nee Hutchinson)between 1900 and 1940, so it is likely that Walter and Sarah had moved to N.Z. soon after their marriage. Victoria was still suffering from depression.
ALMOST CERTAINLY THE DEATH RECORD OF SARAH'S FATHER.
EventDeath Event registration number4690 Registration year1880
Family nameHUTCHINSON Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameWm Mother's nameSarah (Waddel) Place of birthANTRIM Place of death Age54 Spouse's family nameSTANTON Spouse's given namesElizth
JOHN HUTCHINSON'S DEATH NOTICE.
Hutchinson -On the 3rd inst., suddenly, at Lillydale,John Hutchinson, aged 54. A colonist of 27 years standing. Deeply regretted. He died in peace. (P.1, Argus, 9-4-1880.)
EARLY DEATH OF JOHN GIBSON'S WIFE.
EventDeath Event registration number10419 Registration year1912
Family nameGIBSON Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameGibson Walter Mother's nameMargt (Purdie) Place of birth Place of deathHoth E Age53
EventDeath Event registration number8554 Registration year1892
Family nameGIBSON Given namesEllen SexFemale Father's nameClyne Geo Mother's nameCath (Finlayson) Place of birth Place of deathWheip Age33
On the marriage record, Ellie's name was given as Helen.
If John became a policeman, bearing in mind that he died at Hoth.E, which could mean Hotham East, Hotham being the original name of North Melbourne, he might have been the ex senior constable John Gibson who was a terrible drunkard and died at Errol St, North Melbourne in 1912, the death widely reported in the papers. If this senior constable was our John, the death of his wife only 10 years after they married, may have made him hit the grog.
John Clyne Gibson was born at Dromana in 1884 (reg. no.2056), Evelyn was born at (PA NM?) in 1885 (reg. no.4960), Catherine Ruby Ellen in 1886 at PANM (reg. no.12729), George Walter at Panmure in 1888 (reg. no.5472), Ellie Margaret in 1890 at Panmure (reg. no.6377), and David Wallace at Barkstead in 1892 (reg. no.859.)
PANMURE is ENE of Warrnambool.
BARKSTEAD is 5 km west of the Ballan-Daylesford road.
WARRENHEIP is a suburb of Ballarat.
It looks as if it was our John who died at North Melbourne. Panmure news mentions Constable Gibson and J.Gibson in 1888, the year that George Walter was born there.
By the way, Keryn McLear, Adam Gibson and Mary Ann, nee McLear, had a son, Albert, born 1890 (reg. no. 12173) who is not mentioned on page 82 of Colin's book. I CAN'T FIND HIS DEATH RECORD BETWEEN 1890 AND 1992.*
POSTSCRIPT. This birth notice would make it almost certain that John Gibson was the ex senior constable who died at Errol St., North Melbourne in 1912. The daughter would have been Catherine Ruby Ellen.
GIBSON.— On the 16th May, at the police station, Panmure, the wife of J. Gibson of a daughter. (P.1, The Age, 21-5-1886.)
I wondered what had become of John and Ellen's children after their mother's death in 1892.
John Clyne apparently didn't marry (in Victoria) and died aged 85 at Sandringham in 1968 (reg. no. 17510.)
Evelyn Rutherford Purdie married Alex Hamilton KIRKLAND in 1915 (reg. no.11160.) She died aged 84 at Black Rock in 1969 (reg. no.11781.)
Catherine Ruby Ellen married Alfred George Merritt in 1914 (Reg. no. 5067.) She died, aged 69 at Rainbow in 1956 (reg. no. 23930.)
David Wallace died aged 60 at Thornbury in 1952 (reg. no. 10560.)
Strangely his place of birth was given as Wallan on the death record. He does not seem to have married.
KERYN McLEAR'S EXPLANATION OF WHY ALBERT'S DEATH DID NOT APPEAR IN VICTORIAN BDM.
Albert b 13 or 25 Mar 1889/1890 was killed in France Sept 6 1918. No children. From his War Record: he was a clerk, single, born in Dromana. he was 5'9" tall, 149lb, chest 35 1/2 to 37 1/2". Fresh complexion, blue eyes, light brown hair. Presbyterian. Wounded in France 26/03/1917: gunshot wound to left arm, severe. Wounded second occasion: 02/09/1918: gunshot wound to neck and spine, died of wounds received in action. Buried at St Sever Cemetery, Rouen, Block R, Plot 2, Row S. Very sad story.
JACK JONES' STORE ON THE FJ's CORNER AT ROSEBUD.
At 3 o'Clock.
By Order of the Curator of intestate Estates,
In the Estate of the Late John Jones
W.A. KORNER will sell by public auction, on
the above date, on tho ground,
1. All deceased's right, title and interest in that
piece of land being part of Crown portion
18, parish of Wannaeue, having frontage to
Government road of 57 ft. by a depth of
329 ft., more or less, together with store and
other improvements thereon.
2. All that piece of land being part of Crown
portion 18, parish of Wannaeue, having front
age of 60 ft. by a depth of 330 ft., more or
Terms at sale.
W. A. Korner, auctioneer, Mornington.
(P.4, The Age, 6-12-1913.)
Mrs Potton who owned the other 150 acres of c/a 18 Wannaeue seems to have bought Jack's 2 acre lot 86 later on..
The Lake brothers tried to get Jack evicted from this land and the court case* revealed that he'd built the store much earlier than 1900 as claimed on the early Rosebud map. In fact, Jack built it in 1883 or 1884 after his store on 854-6 Pt Nepean Rd (lot 6 of the Rosebud Fishing Village) had been burnt down. His new store was right over the beach road from the recently built jetty.
Jack had already sold c/a 6 Rosebud Fishing Village to George Fountain, plumber and last Mayor of North Melbourne, as recorded by one of George's daughters.
"During an unsatisfying holiday, boarding at "Parkmore", kept by Mr Dowdell and woman supervisor, my father walked into the small single fronted wooden store at the corner of Jetty Road and the Highway, now [c. 1954] the fish shop, and asked Mr Jack Jones if he knew of any land for sale in the area. He said he owned a block on the beach and was willing to sell it, so my father bought it on the spot for 40 pounds ($80) and returned to "Parkmore" and said, "I've bought a block of land", to the amazement of mother and Miller and Ford family, also staying there."
"During the negotiations for purchase of land, Mr Jones who by this time was old and trembling, told my father that his original store was built on "The Pines" site, but was burnt down and he transferred his business to Jetty Rd corner, as he considered it more central opposite the jetty."
Jack and Elizabeth Jones and Henry and Ann Bucher were among the earliest residents of the future (1872) Rosebud Fishing Village.Jack and Elizabeth were accused of plundering wreckage of the Hurricane in 1869.
I'm not even sure if Janie was buried at Dromana, but finally decided to write a burial entry in the chronology when I found that her death was registered at Dromana. I'm glad I did because I finally solved the mystery of how the Davis families were connected-after at least five years of frustration. Here's Janie's burial entry.
14+-10-1900. MISS JANIE DAVIS, RED HILL.
DAVIS.-On Sunday, the 14th October, Jane(Janie), the dearly beloved third daughter of
James and Fanny Davis, of Red Hiil, near Dromana, also sister of Mrs. W. Arnold and
Mrs. H. Meyer, .aged 21 years. A patient sufferer -gone to rest. (P.55, The Australasian, 20-10-1900.)
Similar death notices were inserted in the Argus and Age a few days earlier but there were no funeral notices. Jane’s death record indicates that Jane possibly was buried at Dromana in an unmarked grave in which her parents may later have been interred. Did they die at Red Hill?
EventDeath Event registration number12600 Registration year1900
Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJane
Father's nameDavis Jas Mother's nameFanny (White)
Place of birth ? Place of deathDromana Age21
EventBirth Event registration number8636 Registration year1879
Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJane
Father's nameJames Mother's nameFanny (White) Place of birthDROM
EventMarriage Event registration number143 Registration year1866 Personal information Family nameWHITE Given namesFanny Jane
Spouse's family nameDAVIS Spouse's given namesJames
At long last, I might find the names of the parents of James Davis.
DAVIS.—On the 8th February, at Red Hill, James,beloved husband of Fanny Davis, aged 84 years. (P.60, The Australasian, 13-2-1909.)
EventDeath Event registration number1215 Registration year1909 Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJas
Father's nameDavis Wm Mother's nameCharl (Simpson)
Place of birth? Place of deathDromana Age84
JAMES DAVIS AND JONATHAN DAVIS WERE BROTHERS!
They were both sons of William Davis and Charlotte nee Simpson.
JANIE’S SIBLINGS. (Birth year and register number.)
No births recorded in 1866-68 to parents named James and Fanny.
Frederick (1869, 8215, Dromana); George (1871, 15696, Drom.); Henry (1873, 16059, Drom*.); Charlotte (1875, 22363, Drom.); As no birth to James and Hannah is recorded in 1876-8, the birth of the second daughter has obviously not been entered into the register; no birth was recorded in 1880-1883. This was discovered by chance after I’d given up my year by year search. Perhaps Janie was actually the third YOUNGEST daughter.
EventBirth Event registration number10512 Registration year1887 Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesFanney
Father's nameJames Mother's nameFanney Jane (White) Place of birthDROM
*I presume that this was the same Henry Davis.
DAVIS—OWEN.—On the 30th Hill August, 1923, at Mornington, by the Rev. E. Ashby Swan, Henry Davis, Red Hill, to Gertrude Owen, of Shoreham. (P.17, Argus, 29-9-1923.)
WHO, THEN WAS JONATHAN DAVIS?
EventDeath Event registration number13592 Registration year1926
Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJonathan
Father's nameDAVIS William Mother's nameCharl (Unknown)
Place of birth? Place of deathDROMANA Age92
Were there two Jonathans? This second one was the first to marry at the Red Hill Wesleyan Methodist Church recently constructed near the post office (710 White Hill Rd.) He was probably the one whose farm, between W.Kemp’s grant and Blooming Bob White’s “Glenferrie”, and now the Bald Hill Nature Conservation Reserve, was described in AROUND RED HILL in 1902.
EventMarriage Event registration number4351 Registration year1887 Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesJonathan
Spouse's family nameKEMP Spouse's given namesElizabeth Duncan
If there was only one Jonathan Davis, he was born in about 1834 and would have been about 53 when (if) he married Elizabeth Kemp in 1887. How old was Elizabeth when she married?
EventBirth Event registration number7281 Registration year1858 Personal information Family nameKEMP Given namesElizabeth Duncan
Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameElizabeth (Duncan)
Place of birthYOWANGS
Jonathan’s wife, Elizabeth Duncan Davis, nee Kemp, died at Glen Iris in 1947.
EventDeath Event registration number10156 Registration year1947 Personal information Family nameDAVIS Given namesElizabeth Duncan
Father's nameKEMP William Mother's nameElizabeth (Duncan)
Place of birthGEELONG Place of deathGLEN IRIS Age89
Despite their late start, Jonathan and Elizabeth had a large family! Kidding it didn’t take a while to find Elizabeth’s death notice!
DAVIS.-On September 14. at the home of her son-in-law. I. Laub. 109 High street, Glen Iris, Elizabeth Duncan, widow of the late Jon Davis. loved mother of Het, Frank. Bel, Mary (Mrs. I. Laub). Annie(Mrs. R. Underwood), grandma of Muriel, Daphne. Joyce, Frank (deceased), and
Gordon Davis, Keith, Eric, Stanley, and Merleen Laub, in her 90th year.
(P.11, Argus, 20-9-1947.)
Jon and Elizabeth were still living at Red Hill in 1926. Was Jon buried at Dromana?
LAUB-DAVIS.-On the 6th April, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev.Stevly, Thomas, youngest son of the late Mr. and Mrs. L. Laub, of Lauriston, to Mary Victoria, third daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J.Davis, of Red Hill.(P.17, Argus, 1-5-1926.)
UNDERWOOD—DAVIS.—On the 12th June, at St.George's Church of England, Malvern, Robert
Leonard, of Hamilton, to Annie Mildred, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J. Davis, Red Hill.
(P.17, Argus, 25-9-1926.)
In 1879, William Kemp was renting crown allotment 105 acres and buildings from the Waddeson (Waddeson)& Holmes executors and John Huntley was on 105 acres, Kangerong. Kemp would have been on c/a 15B fronting Red Hill Rd, north of a point opposite number 247 and adjoining the Kangerong Nature Consevation reserve and Huntley on 15A to the south whose east and south boundaries fronted Red Hill Rd and known as Hillside Orchard by 1902.Jonathan Davis, labourer, was assessed on 280 acres and building, Kangerong and James Davis was leasing 4 acres and a building, Kangerong from Jonathan Davis.
By 1910-11 there was no assessment of James Davis, but one of Mrs Fanny Davis (on the above 4 acres.)
The above rate records were hopefully going to help me sort out the relationship between James and Jonathan Davis but now there is no need. As their death records (above) show, they were brothers.Fanny’s given name was used in 1910 because she was a widow, James having died in 1909.
James and Fanny’s sons, Fred and Henry were farming together for many years apparently on the west side of Sheehans Rd on 35 and 43 acres respectively.
EXTRACTS FROM http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/67082808
JONATHAN DAVIS'. Facing the Port Phillip side, and giving a good view of the Bay, lies Mr Jonathan Davis'. He has 40 acres or so, with six acres of young trees coming on, consisting mostly of apples of the Rokewood, Alfriston and Æsopus Spitzenburg varieties; also some cherries, and the usual patch of strawberries, without which no Red Hill orchard is considered complete.
Mr Davis goes in for dairying as well, being the lessee of a 60-acre paddock, owned by Miss Strong, which he uses for grazing. He has a separator, and supplies butter to one or two of the storekeepers in the district.
JAS. DAVIS has five acres under fruit, which yields well. His chief varieties are cherries, plums, apples and pears.
R. WHITE's.Mr White's property comes next. He, too, has a good residence site, giving a fine view of the Bay. Mr White has some fruit trees and a small crop.
WHEELER'S. Mrs Wheeler has the Post Office and Store, which has been established
for over 30 years. There are about seven acres of orchard attached to the property, mostly young trees; also a little strawberry plantation, as well as a crop.
HILL'S. Up the hill from Wheeler's is Mr Hill's property, comprising about 12 acres, situated on a well-sheltered slope. A 6-roomed house is erected here. The orchard is a young one, planted about three years ago. Besides the usual varieties, there is an acre of lemons, which are looking
fairly well. Mr Hill is at present a resident of St. Kilda, but it is understood intends to take up his abode here shortly.
F. & H DAVIS'. Opposite is Messrs F. and H. Davis. who go in for potato growing. They
have been very successful with this crop, having had as much as 10 tons to the acre. They also cultivate maize and peas, and have an acre or so of strawberries.
Janie’s siblings- OUTCOMES.
Fred died at Red Hill in 1953 aged 84 (reg, no.18468.)
Henry died in 1942 at the age of 69, registered at Dromana (reg. No.27312.)
George died in 1889, aged 18, at Cwick which I presume means Creswick.(reg. no. 1856.)
Charlotte NO RECORD OF A MARRIAGE OR DEATH FOUND.
Fanny NO RECORD OF A MARRIAGE OR DEATH FOUND.
JONATHAN DAVIS and William Kemp were original trustees of the Red Hill Wesleyan Methodist Church. As mentioned earlier, Jon’s martriage to William’s daughter, Elizabeth, was the first marriage performed in the church. Their daughter Henrietta Charlotte* was the first to be christened. When William Kemp died in 1920, his daughter, Mrs Elizabeth Davis, replaced him as a trustee.(P.32, THE RED HILL, Sheila Skidmore.)
*Called Het in Elizabeth’s death notice.
JAMES AND CHRISTINA WISEMAN WERE PIONEERS OF RED HILL NEAR DROMANA, VIC., AUST. BUT WAS CORPORAL JACK RELATED? OH YEAH!
A VOYAGE OF DISCOVERY! AND WITHOUT VICTORIAN BDM WHICH IS UNAVAILABLE BECAUSE OF SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE!
WISEMAN.-VX25406 Corporal William John, dearly beloved husband of Thora, previously reported missing, now reported missing, believed deceased, while prisoner of war. Laha. Amboina. cause and date unknown.
WISEMAN.-At Laha. Amboina. Corporal Jack Wiseman. 2/21st. late of Dromana and Kaniva, second son of Sam and Grace Wiseman, of 325 Toorak road. Burwood, brother of Harry (R.A.A.F.). Margaret (Mrs. B.Mann*), Les (R.A.A.F.)**, and Don (date and cause unknown.) P.2, Argus, 1-12-1945.)
*Margaret (of Red Hill) became engaged to Bruce in 1941.
** Still at Red Hill in 1951.
My first thought was that Jack was a descendant of James Wiseman, blacksmith, early pioneer of Red Hill. However, I have gained the impression that James was a bachelor and lived at Red Hill with a spinster sister. Was Jack descended from one of the Wiseman brothers who built mirror image mansions at Glenroy (the Toorak of the north) in the late 1880's? I had a vague memory of a marriage that indicated that James Wiseman of Ascot Vale WAS connected with Red Hill.
Jack's mother, Gracie was the daughter of George BIGNELL, a pioneer of Flemington after whom Bignell St was probably named, who died at Gracie's Dromana residence on 29-4-1934.
His father, Sam, was the son of James Wiseman of Ascot Vale.
(WISEMAN. – On August 13, at Tunstall,
Annie, beloved wife of the late James
Wiseman, of Ascotvale, loved stepmother of
Ethel and Sam. –Reunited.
WISEMAN. –On August 13, at Tunstall,
Annie, relict of the late James Wiseman, of
Ascotvale. P.2, ARGUS, 15-8-1944.)
Sam and Gracie were more likely to have been at Red Hill rather than at Dromana. See WISEMAN-MANN engagement-
Hill Hillis, his brother in law, James McKeown, and James Wiseman were among the earliest pioneers of Red Hill. My impression that James Wiseman was a bachelor is wrong.
"James purchased his 106 acres (between Sheehans Rd and Arkwell Lane) on 24-2-1862. James was born in 1830 at Ruthven, Scotland and sailed from London in June 1851 aboard Captain Godfrey's"Statesman". Arriving at Geelong he went to gold fields in Victoria and briefly Otago in New Zealand. He was a blacksmith in Melbourne for eight years and married Christina Bain, also from Scotland, and they had three children, James, John** and Christina*, before moving to Red Hill where Janet and William were born."
(P.11, THE RED HILL, Sheila Skidmore.)
*Became Mrs Ramseyer in 1888-
** Died 17-8-1942 aged 82-
You would need to read my journal* about Stephen Lynch's PIONEERS OF THE PENINSULA to understand how this proves that James Wiseman of Ascot Vale was the Red Hill pioneer or his son.
HILLIS- WISEMAN.---On the 1st November, at
the Presbyterian Church, Dandenong, by the Rev.
H. A. Buntine, George P., third son of W. J. Hillis,
Trafalgar, to Ethel D., only daughter of the late
James Wiseman, Ascot Vale, and sister of T.B .
Wiseman, Bass.(P.59, Leader, 8-12-1917.)
P.P.S. Hec. Hansen was born on 14-2-1913 so if the James Wiseman he described on page 11 of Petronella Wilson's MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN was the pioneer of 1862 he must have died when Hec. was a boy. This would seem to indicate that James Wiseman of Ascot Vale, father of Sam and grandfather of Jack, was James Wiseman Jnr. As James Wiseman Snr. was born in 1830 he would have been about 91 when he died (perhaps at Frankston.)
Mr James Wiseman, who has resided in the Frankston district since 1862 has
died. (P.6, Weekly Times, 24-12-1924.)
Also see: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/204268034
James Wiseman Snr. was elected** to the Kangerong School District* Board of Advice in 1873. (* Kangerong Road Board, parishes of Kangerong, Fingal, Wannaeue and Nepean.) The Red Hill State School,( former non-vested school No. 77) opened on 1-1-1874, was in this area but many of its 34 initial pupils, such as Mary Elizabeth and Martha Blakeley* lived south of Arthurs Seat Rd and thus in the Flinders Road District.(P. 53, Helen Blakeley's book.)
(The school was conducted in a building leased from James Wiseman until a year or two before his death.)
WIFE OF JAMES WISEMAN SNR.
WISEMAN (nee Bain).—On the 5th October, at
her late residence, Red Hill, passed peacefully
away, Christina, relict of James Wiseman,
blacksmith, eldest sister of late Alexander Bain,
blacksmith, Fitzroy, and loved mother of John
B. and Janet C., aged 91 years 8½ months. A
colonist of 69 years.
"He giveth His beloved sleep."
(P. 1, Argus, 10-10-1923.)
I wonder if James Wiseman's wife was related to Elizabeth Bain who married George Chapman of "Seawinds".Elizabeth's ancestry is a mystery I've been trying to solve for years.
CAN'T WIN 'EM ALL!
Aha! Now I know how I gained the erroneous impression that James Wiseman Snr. was a bachelor and lived with his spinster sister at Red Hill. The unmarried couple were his son, John Bain Wiseman, a carpenter, and obviously Janet C.(Christina?) Staunch Presbyterians, they used to travel by buggy to the Dromana Presbyterian Church (in the former Union Church building) right up to their eighties, tethering their horse to a fence near a cypress tree on the foreshore side of the main road. (P.88, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA which also confirms the death dates of James Snr and his wife, Christina as given above as well as giving their birth dates and that of John Bain Wiseman.
James Wiseman Jnr was at Ascot Vale by 1895 when his son Samuel won a certificate in the under 10 section in a Church of Christ Sunday School examination involving 450 children. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/203611201
Sam's sister, Ethel, who was a bit older than Sam and was also starring in the examinations at this time, married George (b.1888),the fifth child and third son of W.J.Hillis and Annie (nee Ault) in 1917 (as above.) P.3, PIONEERS OF THE PENINSULA.
It seems almost certain that James Wiseman Jnr. lived at number 28 in today's Kent St, Ascot Vale and worked at the Newport workshops. Funeral notice, 1898: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/191488651
By 1892, James Wiseman Jnr. was the president of the locomotive workshops union. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197173092
Being the son of a blacksmith, it is not surprising that James Jnr.'s occupation involved working with metal.
CONFIRMATION THAT THIS UNION LEADER WAS THE SON OF JAMES WISEMAN AND HIS WIFE, CHRISTINA, NEE BAIN. Can you spot the word whose digitisation I did not correct? Without the assistance of Victorian B.D.M., it took much tacking re search terms to find his death notice.
WISEMAN.—On the 5th January, at 28 Kent-avenue, Ascot Vale. James, the dearly loved husband of Annie Wiseman, eldest son of J. and C. Wiseman, of Bed Hill. Dromana, late of Loco. workshops, Newport,in his 39th year.
(P.1, The Age, 6-1-1898.)
The following burials are recorded as having taken place at the Dromana Cemetery, details from gravestone inscriptions.
WISEMAN James� photo 15-7-1830 10/12/1921
WISEMAN Christina� photo 21-1-1832 5/10/1923
WISEMAN John Bain� photo 30-4-1860 10/08/1942
WISEMAN Joyce Doreen photo 7/02/1929 19/01/1994 66
WISEMAN D.I. photo 22/12/1989 65 Wife Joyce