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THOMAS DUTTON AND HIS ONE-LEGGED WIFE OF BROADMEADOWS AND WANGARATTA, VIC., AUST.
THOMAS DUTTON AND HIS ONE LEGGED WIFE.
While sipping my morning coffee, I was reading the story and burial listings of Will Will Rook Cemetery when I saw mention of burial 142 in 1865, Mrs Dutton's leg. Unsurprisingly* the leg was an adherent of the Church of England, as was presumably the rest of Mrs Dutton's body. (* The Keilor Church of England, Christ Church, was built on land donated by Thomas Dutton and the first wedding** conducted in that church was of Thomas Dutton's son, Thomas, and the daughter of John Beale of "Shelton" (most of J.P.Fawkner's grant bounded by today's Milleara Rd, Clarks Rd, Rachelle Rd and Buckley St.)
* https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197135629
** https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/88347955
DUTTON—BEALE.—On the 11 th. July, at Christ's Church, Keilor, by the Rev. R. H. Rodda, Thomas Henry, oldest son of Thomas Dutton, Glenroy, to Sara, only daughter of John Beale, Shelton. (P.2, The Age, 17-7-1877.)
Unfortunately the marriage was short-lived.
DUTTON.— On the 9th July, at her residence, Pine Vale, Carop, the beloved wife of Mr. Thomas Dutton of a daughter.
DEATHS.
DUTTON.— On the 24th July, at her residence, Pine Vale, Carop, Sarah, the beloved wife of Mr. Thomas Dutton, and only daughter of Mr, John Beale, of Shelton, Keilor, aged thirty years. (P.2, The Age, 26-7-1878.)
THE Friends of Mr. THOMAS DUTTON, of Pine Vale, Carop, are respectfully invited to follow the remains of his late beloved wife (only daughter* of Mr. John Beale, of Shelton, Keilor) to the place of interment, Keilor Cemetery. The funeral will move from the Keilor-road railway station on SATURDAY,the 27th inst., at half-past three o'clock. (P.4, The Age, 26-7-1878.)
One of the most painful bereavements that has come under my notice for a considerable time past I regret this week having to notice. About twelve months back I informed you readers of the marriage in the Anglican Church, Keilor, of Miss Sarah Beale, only daughter of Mr. John Beale, of Shelton, to Mr. Thomas Dutton, of Corop. and
now it is my painful duty to report her death, which took place at Corop a short while back. The remains were brought down by train from Corop, on Saturday week last, and the funeral from Keilor Road to the cemetery was one of the largest I have seen in the district. This calamity is the more to be regretted as it is only three
month's since her mother, the wife of Mr. Beale*,was buried here.(P.3, The Bacchus Marsh Express, 10-8-1878.)
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*WHY WAS SARAH JOHN BEALE'S ONLY DAUGHTER.
I had written in my "Early Landowners: Parish of Doutta Galla" that Rachel and Rebecca, twin daughters of John Beale had died on a specified date in 1859. This must have come from KEILOR PIONEERS:DEAD MEN DO TELL TALES by Angela Evans and Co. However, I could find no death notices or records.
This would be the death notice for "the wife of Mr Beale" and mother of Mrs Sarah Dutton.
BEALE.— On the 27th April, at her residence,Shelton, Keilor, Mrs. John Beale, sen., aged seventy years.
(P.2 The Age, 1-5-1878.)
Could this be her death record? NO! SHE WAS A WIDOW.*
EventDeath Event registration number6548 Registration year1878
Personal information
Family nameBEALE Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Father's nameDavis Francis Mother's name Place of birthWEXF Place of death Age69 Spouse's family nameBEALE Spouse's given namesUnknown
(*P.7, Argus, 22-5-1878, Octavius Charles Beale executor.)
Mrs Sarah Dutton's death record gives her mother's name as Margaret, nee Kerr , so my REBECCA BEALE, KEILOR Google search has borne fruit
EventDeath Event registration number8225 Registration year1878
Personal information
Family nameDUTTON Given namesSarah SexUnknown Father's nameBeale John Mother's nameMargaret (Kerr) Place of birthDUBL Place of death Age30 Spouse's family nameDUTTON Spouse's given namesThomas
Margaret had been married twice so the children with the surname of Rogers were NOT children of John Beale.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Kerr-2199
Margaret Beale formerly Kerr
Born about 1808 in Wexford, Irelandmap
Daughter of [father unknown] and [mother unknown]
[sibling(s) unknown]
Wife of James George Rogers — married 13 Aug 1828 in Wexford, Ireland
Wife of John Beale Snr — married 1844 in Dublin, Irelandmap
DESCENDANTS
Mother of Mary (Rogers) Parker, George Rogers, John Beale, Sarah Ann (Beale) Dutton, Rachael* Beale and Rebecca* Beale
*Despite the lack of birth or death records for Rachel and Rebecca, it is obvious that Sarah was not John Beale's only daughter and the precise date of their deaths must have been obtained from John Beale's monument at Keilor Cemetery.
BEALE.—The Funeral of the late Mr. JOHN BEALE will leave his son's residence, "Shelton," Ardmillan road, Moonee Ponds, THIS DAY (Friday,:5 October),. at 2 o'clock, for the Keilor Cemetery.(P.1, Argus, 5-10-1906.)
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A teacher at the Bethal Primary School in Meadow Park told me that the school was named after Thomas Dutton's wife. Was that true? Was she the one who attended her leg's funeral?
The book gave her name as Fanny but this could have been a pet name. The births of her seven children in Broadmeadows before 1866 mentioned in the book may answer these questions. Thomas and Fanny arrived here in 1849 aboard the Nelson, with their daughter Elizabeth, having married in Kent, England in 1847. The book also mentioned this advertisement, calling for tenders to complete the walls of the historic 10 Broad St Westmeadows in which the late Jack Hoctor was born.
TENDERS WANTED, for FINISHING rubble WALLS of stone house. Apply Thomas Dutton, Broadmeadows.
(P.3, Argus, 23-2-1865.)
CITATION FOR 10 BROAD ST.
http://www.hume.vic.gov.au/…/01…/10_Broad_St_Westmeadows.pdf
*THE DUTTON BIRTHS. REGISTER NUMBER IN BRACKETS.
In every birth record except the second record for James in 1853, the mother's name was given as Fanny, nee Moore. As there was no death record for a Dutton child in 1853, I presume register number 18170 in which the mother's name was just given as Fanny was a duplication and there had only been SIX births.
1853 James (107 and 18170)
1855 Edward (5729)
1858 Mary Ann (6207)
1860 Harriet Maria (13137)
1863 Arthur Albert (912)
1866 Fanny Emily (19907)
Fanny died in 1913 and was buried in the Milawa Cemetery, according to the book. Fanny was a pet name, a variation of Frances, so perhaps Bethal WAS another given name.
EventDeath Event registration number11665 Registration year1913
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Family nameDUTTON Given namesFrances SexUnknown Father's nameMoore Wm Mother's nameUnknown (Frances) Place of birth Place of deathWatta Age89
DUTTON.—On the 6th September, at Wangaratta,Frances, widow of the late Thomas Dutton, in her 90th year. A native of Kent, England. A colonist of 64 years.(P.60, The Australasian, 13-9-1913.)
The book mentions Pelican Lagoon and the death of Thomas in 1887.
Dutton.— On the 3rd January, at his late residence, Pelican Lagoon, Wangaratta, late of Broadmeadows, Thomas Dutton, aged 66 years.(P.1, The Age, 4-1-1887.)
EventDeath Event registration number4615 Registration year1887
Personal information
Family nameDUTTON Given namesThos SexUnknown Father's nameThos Mother's nameMary (Wilks) Place of birth Place of deathW'ATTA Age67 Spouse's family nameMOORE Spouse's given namesFrances
POISONED CATTLE.
Thomas Dutton really hit the headlines in 1873 when seven of his cattle were poisoned by what they ate, growing luxuriantly near a creek on his property. I wondered whether this was near the future site of the Bethal Primary School (Melway 6G-H2), which is fairly close to Dutton Court (179 H 11-12).However it must have been on Duncan Kennedy's share of the Glenroy Estate, between Pascoe Vale Rd and the Moonee Ponds Creek which Duncan sold to James Chapman in July 1887. (P. 81 BROADMEADOWS A FORGOTTEN HISTORY, Andrew Lemon.)
It was while I was doing a trove search for THOMAS DUTTON, GLENROY, that I found the second marital connection between the Dutton and Beale families.
BEALE — DUTTON.–On the 17th ult., at St Paul's Church, Broadmeadows, by the Rev. W. W.Mantell, assisted by the Rev. R. H. Rodda, John, only son of John Beale, of Shelton, Keilor, to Annie, second daughter of Thomas Dutton, of Glenroy,Broadmeadows. (P.26, The Australasian, 10-2-1877.)
The Beales moved to Ardmillan Rd, Moonee Ponds in the 1890's and called their house Shelton after the farm in today's East Keilor. It was old number 24 which became number 18 later on.
OLD 24 NEW. 18 Dominey 1886-8?, Beale 1890-1913, Moran* 1917-1927+ (From my Early Landowners: Parish of Doutta Galla.)
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DEATHS OF JOHN BEALE JNR.AND ANNIE (NEE DUTTON.).
EventDeath Event registration number14140 Registration year1916
Personal information
Family nameBEALE Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameBeale Jno Mother's nameMargaret (Kerr) Place of birth Place of deathEssdon Age71
BEALE.—On the 29th September, 1913, at her residence, "Shelton," Ardmillan road, Moonee Ponds, Annie, beloved wife of John Beale, and beloved mother of Mrs. L. H. Moran, Fannie,Arthur, Frank, and John D*. Beale, Darwin, aged 55 years. (Interred privately, Keilor Cemetery.) P.1, ARGUS, 1-10-1913.
(* D.= DUTTON. Engagements: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143324433)
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* MORAN—BEALE. —On the 16th February, 1904, at St. Thomas' Church, Essendon, by the Rev. W. Percival, Loftus Henry, youngest son of the late A. T. Moran, of Winchelsea, to Sarah Margaret,eldest daughter of Mr. John Beale, (JNR.) Ardmillan-road,Moonee Ponds.(P.9, Argus, 26-3-1904.)
DEATH.
MORAN-On the 9th of March, at "Shelton," corner of Ardmillan road and Mantell street, Moonee Ponds,
Sarah Margaret, the dearly beloved wife of Loftus H. Moran, and loving mother of Nancy and Dorothy. The loved sister of Mrs. Oswald Brown, Arthur, Frank and the late John (DUTTON) Beale, aged 48 years. At rest.
(P.2, Gippsland Times, 12-3-1928.)
No relation to the stars of UNDERBELLY I hope!
TOMMY LOFT OF "DALKEITH", TULLAMARINE, VIC., AUST.
TOMMY LOFT OF "DALKEITH", TULLAMARINE.
Dalkeith was the name that Tommy gave to the 200 acres fronting the west side of Broadmeadows Road with a half mile (800 metre) frontage to Sharps Rd which included today's Fisher Grove house blocks. A stalwart of the Tullamarine Methodist Church he acted as its Sunday School Superintendent for many years and his daughter, Doris Scoones, ran very popular Sunday School concerts at the hall in Westmeadows. His son, Ray, married Maggie Millar, rented and then bought "Broombank" which included the North Edge apartment site, Tadstan Drive and Millar Rd, which he subdivided in 1952.
Tommy, whose full name was Thomas Benjamin Loft convened the meeting in 1924 at which the Tullamarine Progress Association was formed and in 1929, he had the Junction Hotel closed down; soon afterwards Cec and Lily Green bought the closed hotel and used it as a lolly shop and garage with the result that Tullamarine Junction became known as Greens' Corner.
By the time of Tommy's death, Dalkeith, now only 160 acres, was owned by Leslie King Dawson and in about 1951, Percy Hurren, formerly the postmaster at Jones' Corner at Moorooduc, became the last man to farm Dalkeith.
Tommy had attempted an early subdivision but there was little demand. Eumarella St was named after Eumeralla, a place where Tommy had grown up and Gordon St was named after Tommy's grandson, Ray and Maggie's son. When Percy Hurren's farm was subdivided as the Broadwood Park Estate in the 1960's the main through street was called Dawson St but it was not until about 1974 that a bridge over Spring Creek allowed the Broadmeadows and Sharps Rd ends to be connected.
Tommy certainly got around. In 1914, while living on the west side of Ascot Vale Rd, he was running a dairy farm at Melton, becoming insolvent in 1918. In 1920, apparently while living at 265 Ascot Vale Rd, he was leasing land on the north west corner of Mickleham and Somerton Rds at Greenvale (immediately east of John McKerchar's "Greenvale" which Robert Millar had renamed as "The Elms", possibly explaining how his son Ray had first met Maggie Millar.) Also in 1919-20, Tommy was leasing crown allotments 28 and 29 Wannaeue, a total of 323 acres*, the residential portion of Moonah Links at Melway 252 D-E, 1-3.) The late Ray Cairns, ten days after his 100th birthday, who was then a 10 year old boy, remembered him with affection as a wonderful man.
*The Shire of Flnders rate records lacked much detail and I assumed that John and James Orr of "Kia ora" (Melway 5 J 5 which they were leasing from the Donald Kennedy Estate until 1929 when they bought it) were also leasing the land at the back of Rye in 1917 and 1918 and that in 1919 Thomas Loft had taken over the lease. However the Orrs had owned the land and sold it to Tommy in March 1920.
320 acres situate at Rye, on account Mr John Orr, Broadmeadows. to Mr T B Loft, of Ascot Vale.
(P.3, Yea Chronicle, 25-3-1920.)
A stock report indicated that T.B.Loft was at Greenvale and every time he was moving between Greenvale and Melbourne he would have passed Kiaora.
Mr T. B. Loft
Mr Thomas B. Loft, who died on Sunday at the age of 79, was a well known personality at Newmarket saleyards. For about 35 years he was a member of the country staff of Macarthur and Macleod Pty Ltd. In his young days he was engaged in farming in the Melton district, where he owned several large areas: In recent years, because of failinghealth, he had been living in semi retirement. He has left a widow, two sons; and two daughters. (P.4, Argus, 5-7-1947.)
EventDeath Event registration number5305 Registration year1947
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesThomas Benjamin SexMale Father's nameLOFT Henry Mother's nameEmma (Shandeven) Place of birthVICTORIA Place of deathCHELTENHAM Age78
It was Tommy's daughter-in -law, Maggie, nee Millar, who stated at the 1989 Back to Tullamarine that Eumarella St was named after the place where Tommy grew up. Unfortunately Tommy's place of birth is not given in his death record but Charles Loft who died in 1941* and was born at Macarthur seems to have had the same parents despite the mother's maiden name differing.. Macarthur is near the start of the Eumeralla River!
*CHARLES LOFT
Charles' death record wrongly gives his place of birth as Windsor.
EventBirth Event registration number3719 Registration year1878
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesCharles SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameEmma (Bradley) Place of birthMA CA
Charles and Thomas were definitely brothers!
EventBirth Event registration number9600 Registration year1869
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesThomas Benjamin SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameEmma (Bradley) Place of birthMACARTHUR
LOFT. - On August 2, Clara, widow of the late Thomas Benjamin Loft, 49 Aberfeldie street, Essendon,dearly loved mother of Hazel, Doris, Ray, and Harold, aged 82 years.
-At rest. (Private interment.)
LOFT. - On August 2, Clara, the dearly loved mother of Doris (Mrs.J. Scoones, Millpark, South Morang).
-Sweet peace. (P.13, Argus, 3-8-1949.)
It seems that Tommy may have married a cousin.
EventMarriage Event registration number1249 Registration year1894
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesThos Benjn SexMale Spouse's family nameBRADLEY Spouse's given namesClara
Tommy's daughter Hazel was the mother of Stan Excell.
EventMarriage Event registration number2636 Registration year1923
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesHazel Phyllis SexUnknown Spouse's family nameEXCELL Spouse's given namesJos Danl Pryse
THOMAS AND CLARA'S CHILDREN.
HAZEL born in 1896 at Malvern (reg. no.13098)
DORIS CORALIE, born at Malvern 1898 (reg. no.4694) Doris married Jim (James Henry) Scoones in 1926 (reg. no.2781)
RAY. Born at Malvern in about 1900 as indicated by his death record*. The year of birth given is obviously that of his son, Raymond Gordon, after whom Gordon St was named.
EventBirth Event registration number30022 Registration year1930
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesRay Thos Bradley SexMale Father's nameThos Benj Mother's nameClara (Bradley) Place of birthMVERN
* EventDeath Event registration number19554 Registration year1979
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesRaymond Thomas Bradley SexMale Father's nameLOFT Thomas Mother's nameClara (Bradley) Place of birthMalvern Place of deathMelbourne South Age79
ARTHUR HAROLD born at Malvern in 1906 (reg. no.12039.)
RAY'S MARRIAGE.
EventMarriage Event registration number1710 Registration year1924
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesRaymond Thos Bradley SexUnknown Spouse's family nameMILLAR Spouse's given namesIsabel Maggie
LOFT—MILLAR.—On the 13th February, 1924,at Maribyrnong road Presbyterian Church,Ascotvale, by the Rev. D. S. McKenzie,assisted by the Rev. W. Goyen, Raymond T. B., son of Mr. and Mrs. T. B. Loft, of Dalkeith, Tullamarine, to Isobel Maggie,youngest daughter of Mrs. and the late Mr. Robert Millar, of Ballater Park, Greenvale.
(P.13, Argus, 8-3-1924.)
ARTHUR'S MARRIAGE.
EventMarriage Event registration number8753 Registration year1928
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesArth Harold SexUnknown Spouse's family nameHOSSACK Spouse's given namesElizth Irvine
The Hossacks must have been at Greenvale at some stage. The Souters were related to the Gambles whose 180 acre "Brocklands", formerly known as "Springfield North" was purchased to establish Aitken College.
HOSSACK .—On May 17 at her residence, 558 Bell street Pascoevale South, Rachel beloved wife of George Hossack loving mother of Rachel (Mrs Souter, Portland) Mary (Mrs Prankerd, Buchan), Elizabeth (Mrs Loft, Foster), and George (Mansfield) aged 91 years.(P.14, Argus, 18-5-1951.)
EventDeath Event registration number28440 Registration year1977
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesElizabeth Irvine SexFemale Father's nameHOSSACK George Mother's nameRachael (Irvine) Place of birthShepparton Place of deathLeongatha Age74
EventDeath Event registration number30526 Registration year1987
Personal information
Family nameLOFT Given namesArthur Harold SexMale Father's nameLOFT Thomas Benjamin Mother's nameClare (Bradley) Place of birthMelton* Place of deathHeidelberg Age81 (*Malvern on birth record)
As there was no marriage notice for Arthur and Elizabeth and Arthur may have died at the Heidelberg Repat.,( having fought in W.W,2?) leaving no common place of death for the above two deceased, I tried the formula that worked fairly well before I discovered Victorian BDM, namely:
birth surname, given name, married surname, in Elizabeth's case- HOSSACK ELIZABETH, LOFT.
GEORGE HOSSACK
--.--+ George Hossack (1860-1951) married Rachel Irvine (c1860-1951)
--.--.--+ Rachel Hossack (1892-?) married Frederick Stewart Souter
--.--.--+ Isabella Hossack (1893-1915)
--.--.--+ Helen Hossack (1895-1901)
--.--.--+ Mary Hossack (1897-?) married UNKNOWN Prankerd
--.--.--+ Penuel Hossack (1900.-1910)
--.--.--+ Elizabeth Irvine Hossack (1903-?) married Arthur Harold Loft
--.--.--+ George Cumming Hossack (1905-1974) married Mona Mary Russell
ONE MORE THING.
Which Loft child was born in 1930?
George and Rachel Hossack's house was probably the place of birth.
LOFT. –On the 8th March, at Bell street Pascoe vale to Mr. and Mrs.A.H. Loft of Tullamarine–a son (John David).
(P.1, Argus, 11-3-1930.)
It wasn't Gordon as I had suspected.
LOFT (nee Maggie Millar).-On the 1st February, at Sister Davies's private hospltal, Scott street,Essendon, to Mr.and Mrs. Ray Loft, Wahroonga,Tullamarine-a son (Gordon Raymond).P.56, THE AUSTRALASIAN, 16-2-1929.
ERIC HENRY DARK'S ANCESTRY, HADFIELD, BLACKWOOD, RICHMOND, SORRENTO, TOORADIN, ROSEBUD, LYNDHURST, , VIC., AUST.
The life of Eric Henry would never have begun
But for Isaac Dark's death caused by a gun
Soon after he'd married Ann Rogers in 1851
And she gave birth to his namesake son.
Ann's father had the christian name of Henry,
Not Matthew, whose vault's in the Blackwood cemetery,
So high that it casts a very long shadow.
Edwin Dark married his brother, Isaac's widow.
That was in November 1853, and no news there'd be
Until 1862 and Edwin's insolvency
Caused by a fire on their farm near Ballan,
Enough to disrupt the best thought-out plan.
In 1855 Elizabeth Esther was born in Will Will Rook*
But she died very young and things were looking crook
Until 1859 when bad luck turned to good
And Elizabeth Esther 2 was born at Mount Blackwood.
In 1861 before things again became stark
There was the birth of Walter Augustus Dark.
In 1862, there was never any doubt
That Henry Rogers would help Edwin and Ann Alice out
And in a very short time we see
Edwin's certificate of discharge of insolvency.
So they farmed in the area till early 1867 and the clearing sale
Charles Marsh** and Mary Ann born on the farm near the town of Greendale
Before the family moved to Richmond in Melbourne
Where Anne, Frances and Ethel were born.
Charles Marsh, born in 1863, continues Eric Henry's chance for life,
In 1890, making Grace Sophia Hudson his wife
And siring Charles Alfred, Arthur William, Ernest Edward, Percy, and Walter Henry;
He was buried at Sorrento after his death on 23-8-1933.
The father of Eric Henry, Percy, shared his 1927 honeymoon,
With Dot, daughter of Bentleigh's Frank and Lydia Ying Goon.
* Will Will Rook is a parish near Broadmeadows bounded by the Moonee Ponds Creek, a line from Melway 178A11 to 7 K2, the Merri Creek and a line from to 7 K6 to 16D4, including Boundary Rd.
To be more specific, Edwin and Ann Alice were living at Box Forest, John Pascoe Fawkner's name for the present suburb of Hadfield between the Fawkner Cemetery and the Northern Golf Club at Glenroy.
On the 30th ult., at the Box Forest,Sydney-road, on the body of a child one and a-half years of age, named Elizabeth Esther Dark, who was accidentally drowned in a waterhole near the residence of her parents.. Verdict, ' Accidentally drowned.' (P.3, The Age, 5-7-1856.)
The waterhole would have been part of the Merlynston Creek which often flooded, probably on the cemetery site.
A SON BORN AT BOX FOREST.
On the 5th inst., at Box Forest, Mrs. Edwin Dark, of a son.
(P.4, Argus, 9-10-1856.)
No records of the death or birth appear on Victorian BDM.
Pentridge was the original name for Coburg, just south of Box Forest.
STRAYED into my paddock, One Red and White COW with young Calf, branded C ^near ribs, JQ off ribs, cockhorns. The owner can have her by paying expenses. Edwin Dark, Box Forest, Pentridge.(P.8, Argus, 18-3-1856.)
EDWIN DARK WAS ONE OF THE EARLIEST PIONEERS OF THE SUBURB OF HADFIELD.
Section 2 Will Will Rook was granted to John Pascoe Fawkner in 1850. He organised a land co-operative company so his beloved yoeman farmers could purchase small farms. Edwin may have been a member and an original purchaser of one or more ten acre blocks because he was on Box Forest very early in 1851.
ASSAULT.- At the Police Office on Saturday.a
man named John Deslands was charged with
having committed an assault on Edwin Dark, re-
siding in the Box Forest. Dark was quietly pro-
ceeding home in a cart, when defendant came
up and seized him by his shirt, which was torn;
the complainant then descended from the cart,
and defendant struck him with his fist. Com-
plainant admitted having had disagreements
with the defendant previously, When called
upon for his defence, defendant stated that there
were two other persons present at the time the
assault was committed, which he admitted, but
endeavoured to show provocation. Fined 2 pounds
and costs. (P.2, Argus, 25-2-1851.)
MARSH?
I had entertained the possibility that the second given name of Eric Henry's paternal grandfather, Charles Marsh Dark was related to the settlement of Bacchus Marsh being fairly close to the Dark farm. Some genealogy websites contain ridiculous mistakes such as the claim that Henry Edwin Rogers was born in 1806 at Cranbourne, Victoria Australia. Such an error would tend to drastically reduce any credibility the website might have, except for this email from Clive Smith of the Nepean Historical Society.
"---- confused me because apparently his real name is Eric Henry. The rest I've got.
Ann Rogers married Isaac Dark in 1851 they had a son Isaac Henry Edwin. (Lots of Henrys and Edwins in both the Dark and Rogers families!!)
After Isaac was killed Ann married Edwin in Nov 1853."
Henry Edwin Rogers was SUPPOSEDLY married twice before his death, aged 77 at Geelong in 1883. You'll never guess what his first wife's maiden name was! (Oh, you did!)
Elizabeth Rogers (Marsh)
Birthdate: 1806 (62)
Birthplace: Bathford, Bath and North East Somerset, England, United Kingdom
Death: November 28, 1868 (62)
Geelong, Victoria, Australia
Immediate Family:
Daughter of John Marsh and Alice Marsh
Wife of Henry Edwin Rogers
Mother of William Henry Rogers
Cheryl Bell, a DARK descendant made the following comments.
Elizabeth Rogers nee Marsh died at her home in Rogers St. Richmond and is buried in Melbourne General Cemetery.
Clive Smith wondering who is Henry's 2nd wife?
MY RESPONSE.
Cheryl Bell, from the same website:
Kezia Rogers (Benham)
Birthdate: March 11, 1848 (75)
Birthplace: Wiltshire, England, United Kingdom
Death: July 13, 1923 (75)
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Immediate Family:
Daughter of William James Benham and Jane Benham
Wife of Henry Edwin Rogers
I found her death notice under ROGERS-BELL and she had a daughter, Mrs Jane Douglas.
ROGERS—BELL.—On the 13th July, 1923, Kezia Rogers, beloved mother of Janie (Mrs. J. S.Douglas), aged 76 years ; also on the 10th July, 1923, my loving brother, William Webb Bell, beloved youngest son of the above, aged 38 years. Sweet rest. (P.17, Argus, 21-7-1923.)
I found her daughter's death notice:
EventDeath Event registration number25097 Registration year1958
Personal information
Family nameDOUGLAS Given namesJane Minerva SexFemale Father's nameBELL William Mother's nameCasiah (Benham) Place of birthBALLARAT Place of deathMOUNT EVELYN Age85
Jane was obviously born in about 1873 and this might explain why I didn't find a marriage record for Kezia Benham.
With the assumption that HALL instead of BELL is yet another Victorian BDM typo, this is possibly the record of Henry Edwin Rogers' second marriage.
EventMarriage Event registration number3991 Registration year1878
Personal information
Family nameROGERS Given namesHenry SexMale Spouse's family nameHALL Spouse's given namesKeziah
HoweveverCheryl Bell has provided proof that Henry Edwin Rogers only married once, to Elizabeth Marsh and that the name of the bride in this 1878 marriage could not have been Kezia Bell.
Cheryl Bell. Henry's death certificate names his marriage to Elizabeth only and he is buried with her. On checking, what I have found so far Kezia married William Bell in 1866, had her 1st child in 1867 and had her 8th and last child to William in 1884.
Cheryl Bell. In checking further as I didn't think it was my Henry. The only way to prove it to myself was to buy the marriage cert. Different Henry Rogers, yes a widower but his wife died in 1876 [not 1866 as Elizabeth] also an engine driver from Dunolly. My Henry was a stonemason. Clive Smith you may be interested to know this as well.
THANKS CHERYL! GENI, LIKE MOST GENEALOGICAL WEBSITES, MAKES MANY WILD LEAPS OF FAITH.
No wonder there were no details re the dates of Henry Edwin Rogers' supposed two marriages. The claim that Henry Edwin Rogers was born in 1806 at Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia will not require the rewriting of Victoria's history!
ERIC HENRY DARK'S FATHER, PERCY, AT TOORADIN, LYNDHURST AND DANDENONG.
Eric Henry married a BOWMAN gal in 1952. He'd probably met her ten years earlier. She might have been a descendant of one of Dandenong's early pioneers, Mr James Bowman*.
TOORADIN. MR. PERCY DARK and family are to leave us after two or three years’ sojourn here in the dairying industry. We understand Mr. Dark will settle at Rosebud. (P.1, The Dandenong Journal, 1-1-1942.)
TOORADIN. AFTER a successful clearing sale of their dairy herd and plant, Mr. and Mrs. Percy Dark and family have departed for Rosebud, where they intend to settle. For the last two years or. so, Perc leased the Brunt Bros.’ property on the main highway.(P. 13, The Dandenong Journal, 22-4-1942.)
Percy had been a resident of Lyndhurst in 1937 when he was involved in a collision with another car in Dandenong.
PERCY'S ACCIDENT.
* MR.JAMES BOWMAN
NEIL CAMPBELL, PIONEER OF CAMPBELLFIELD, MELBOURNE, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA (of whom little WAS known.)
I've been aware of Neil Campbell since 1988 but didn't really know much about him until last night when in an idle moment I did a WILL WILL ROOK search on Trove. I thought he was just an absentee land owner. I was left wondering where he'd come from if he indeed did settle at Campbellfield, if he was related to Robert Campbell Jnr and J.D.Lyon Campbell, and from which of these three the name of Campbellfield was derived. As I was focussed on the area within a handful of miles of Tullamarine and had no way of finding answers, they were put into the too-hard file. But I was not the only one wondering. I googled ROBERT CAMPBELL JUNIOR, WILL WILL ROOK, KEELBUNDORA and found this journal by BEZZA, my history buddy almost since 1988, whom I'd never actually met until the launch of the most valuable book about the Will Will Rook Cemetery a few years ago. I have taken the liberty of putting the name of J.D.Lyons Campbell's 50 acre property at Abbotford, to which Georgiana McCrae walked, into bold type with inverted commas to prevent any assumptions that her destination was the present suburb.
Campbellfield Victoria - Naming of
Journal by Bezza Favorite
There has been much confusion about the naming of Campbellfield. Robert Campbell Jnr had land near Mahoneys Rd, (lived in Sydney a Shipping Merchant), Neil Campbell had land in Will Will Rook as well as Keelbundora. 1841 Census of NSW Neil Campbell was the only one living on his land. Part of which he gave for the Scots Church in Sydney Road and another in Camp Road for the Will Will Rook Pioneer Cemetery.
James David Lyon Campbell, has been given credit for the naming of this suburb, but he never lived there, his land was closer to Coburg, this was only one of his property's South of Boundary Rd. the main property was in the now suburb of Abbotsford, on the Yarra, named Campbellfield. 50 Acres, on which he built a large Homestead, Georgiana Macrea, mentions in her Journal, that she often walked to "Campbellfield" for morning tea. JD Lyon Campbell, was mixing with the elite so to speak, and when he died his death was registered at St James Church and the place of death is Campbellfield, his property on the Yarra. a more well known person, so was given the credit. He died in 1844 only 34yrs old, his wife and children, left Melbourne in 1848 and returned to England. selling the property to John Dight, his brother Charles was advertising the property for rent, and people to contact him at the adjoining property Yarra Ford.
This is the article that I found last night during my WILL WILL ROOK search which told me about Neil and his brothers and most importantly, that Neil had died at Geelong in 1882, the big breakthrough.
CAMPBELL BROTHERS
From my post in the WE REMEMBER TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND Facebook group written last night.
I've never seen mention of his wife.
EventDeath Event registration number8818 Registration year1882
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesNeil SexUnknown Father's nameNeil Mother's name* Place of birth Place of deathG'LONG Age83 Spouse's family nameDRUMMOND Spouse's given namesJennie
* The death record of Alexander "Port Fairy Campbell" whose 1890 obituary proves that he was the one mentioned in the 1935 article about the CAMPBELL BROTHERS, hence a brother of Neil, gives his mother's name as Ann {Mclean).
The Campbellfield Wikipedia entry does not even mention Neil and there does not seem to be an AUSTRALIAN DICTIONARY OF BIOGRAPHY entry.
Campbellfield was a recognised place name when his daughter, Flora, was born in 1843.
Record information
EventBirth Event registration number946 Registration year1843
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesFlora SexFemale Father's nameCAMPBELL Neil Mother's nameJessie (Unknown) Place of birthCAMPBELLFIELD
The locality near the Broadmeadows Railway station was originally known as Campbellfield until the station was given that name in circa 1872, the reason that Broadmeadows Township acquired the name of WEST BROADMEADOWS, now WESTMEADOWS. Campbellfield was IN Will Will Rook; the article implied that they were distinct areas.
The Campbell Brothers article, like most histories ignored the womenfolk who did as much pioneering as the men. It is likely that one of Neil's sisters came out with him and his brothers. Her name was Flora and she married three years after Neil's daughter, Flora, was born in 1843.
POSTSCRIPT. CAPTAIN ALEXANDER "PORT FAIRY" CAMPBELL'S 1890 OBITUARY TOWARDS THE END OF THIS JOURNAL PROVIDES PROOF THAT SOME OF NEIL'S SISTERS WERE IN THE COLONY BY 1841.
"In 1841 Captain Campbell built a house in Port Fairy for his sisters, and it is still standing in Gipps-street, opposite the site of Jonathan Griffith's first house."
MARRIED.
At Glengyll, on Tuesday 14th instant, by the Rev. James Forbes, Donald Maclean, Esq.,Geelong, to Flora, fourth daughter of Neil Campbell, Esq.,Freshnish*, Argyleshire, Scotland.(P.2, The Melbourne Argus, 24-7-1846.)
* At the closest point the Treshnish Isles are 3km west of the Isle of Mull. Treshnish may have been a small community at Treshnish Point on the Isle of Mull facing this chain of isles or indeed the name of a house which still stands.
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Unfortunately I could find no death record for the above Flora MacLean (just one for a 17 year old),but as her father was Neil Campbell (as was Neil's), there is a good chance that she was Neil's sister.
Just as the article about the Campbell brothers could lead researchers astray by stating that Neil lived at Campbellfield and bought land in Will Will Rook (as if they were two distinct places)the following article describes his estate as being on the Moonee Ponds rather than the Merri Creek.
Mr. Neil Campbell's station,on the Moonee Ponds
In 1843 there was no Deep Creek or Bulla Rd. This was not surveyed until 1847 which explains why the road now known as Melrose Drive cuts through sections 4, 6, 7 etc. of the parish of Tullamarine, which had been divided into crown portions by 1842. This road, Pascoe Vale Rd and Keilor Rd were all referred to in early days as Macedon Rd but "the Mount Macedon road" in the article was Pascoe Vale Rd and William Smith's "Young Queen" was near Bass or Marks St just north of the Pascoe Vale bridge, Pascoeville. Pascoe Vale road was part of the most recommended early route to Sydney, past the Young Queen and via Ardlie St in Broadmeadows Township to Mickleham Rd, the northern extension of which is still called Old Sydney Rd.
The nearest point of Neil Campbell's station to the Moonee Ponds Creek would be the south west corner of the Willi Will cemetery which is 147 mm east of the Moonee Ponds Creek on Melway which equates to 147 chains or 2.94 km. Not too far away from the Moonee Ponds for that to be used as a locality descriptor but a glance at the
Will Will Rook map will show that his grant, section 13, fronted Merri Creek.
I had no luck trying to find another mention of Glengyll where the 1846 wedding took place. There were plenty of references to Glengyle just north of the historic 1906 Arundel bridge at Keilor in the 1840's. I wonder if Neil was a mate of the Guthries, later pioneers of Sunbury and ancestors of the present Geelong footballers.
Nor could I find any children born to Donald or Flora Maclean. While on Victorian BDM, I thought I'd see if J.D.Lyons Campbell's death record was there. It was:
EventDeath Event registration number3962 Registration year1844
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesJames David Lyon SexMale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathCAMPBELLFIELD* Age34
* OMG, could Bezza have been wrong?
BEZZA MUST HAVE BEEN FUMING WHEN SHE SAW THE OBITUARY! I hope trove doesn't smack her for her comment!
DIED. — At his residence, at Campbellfield, on the 31st instant,at nine o'clock a.m., J. D. Lyon Campbell, Esq., of a short but severe illness--. CAMPBELLFIELD IS THE NAME OF HIS PROPERTY ON THE YARRA RIVER
(P.3, Port Phillip Gazette, 1-6-1844.)
TO LET,
One mile from Melbourne .
CAMPBELLFIELD on the Yarra, formerly the residence at the late J. D.Lyon Campbell, Esq., it comprises an elegant and commodious dwelling house with most convenient out buildings, and a grass paddock of fifty acres.
Apply to the undersigned adjoining the property.
CHARLES H. DIGHT (P.3 The Melbourne Daily News and Port Phillip Patriot,31-10-1848)
In 1844, there was also a record of a girl born in 1843 who died aged 10 in 1844. How hard would it be to add y, m or d to the age? Poor Flora only lived 10 MONTHS.
EventDeath Event registration number1894 Registration year1844
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesFlora SexFemale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathCAMPBELLFIELD Age10
DONALD, ANOTHER OF NEIL CAMPBELL'S BROTHERS.
Donald Campbell, brother of Mr Neil Campbell, of Campbellfield, was brought into the Melbourne Hospital, suffer-
ing from a compound fracture of the skull. It appeared that he was riding out of town upon the Flemington road, mounted upon a young and spirited horse which became unmanageable, and he was thrown violently upon the ground and received the injury just mentioned. He was promptly attended by Mr Gillbee, the surgeon for the week. It was found upon examination that the frontal bone was broken to a considerable extent, and some portion of this part of the skull had to be removed. He lies in a most precarious state, and grave fears are entertained for his recovery.(P.4, The Age, 24-1-1857.)
On the 26th inst., at Melbourne, Donald McLean Campbell, sixth son of the late Neil Campbell, Esq., Sunipol, Isle of Mull, Scotland.(P.4, The Argus, 27-1-1857.)
The wedding notice of Flora Campbell who married Donald MacLean in 1846 stated that her father, Neil, lived in Argyleshire whereas Donald's death notice stated that his father Neil had been a resident of the Isle of Mull. Does that rule out the possibility of them being siblings? Not necessarily. Notice the spelling of Argyle!
Argyll & Isle of Mull - Scotland
https://scotland.nordicvisitor.com/travel-guide/.../scottish-isles/argyll-and-isle-of-mull/
Argyll in western Scotland is home to 23 small inhabited islands — the largest being the Isle of Mull.
FRIENDS of the late DONALD CAMPBELL, Esq., are respectfully informed that the Funeral Procession is appointed to move from Mr. Disher's, Tattersall's Hotel, Lonsdale-street east, this day, at four o'clock precisely, to the place of interment in the New Cemetery.(P.8, The Argus, 27-1-1857.)
INQUESTS,-We regret to state that the serious accident which happened to Mr. Donald Campbell, of Keilor*, on Tuesday last, at North Melbourne, terminated fatally yesterday morning in the Melbourne Hospital. Dr.Gillbee, soon after the patient's admission to the hospital, elevated the bone which was compressing the brain, and the deceased became sensible for a few hours, but afterwards relapsed again into his former state; An inquest was held on the body, before Dr. Wilmot, and the jury returned as their verdict that the deceased had been "accidentally killed by his horse running, away, and bringing his head in violent contact with a telegraphic
post, whereby his brain was so injured that he died in a day or two afterwards," The deceased was in the 40th year of his age. (P.6, The Argus, 27-1-1857.)
EventDeath Event registration number489 Registration year1857
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesDonald SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's name Place of birth Place of death Age40
*Perhaps Flora Campbell did marry Donald MacLean at the Guthries' "Glengyle" near Keilor with Donald obtaining the venue, which would be handy to Geelong via the second Solomon's Ford at the end of North Road, North Pole Rd (Milleara Rd), Keilor Rd and today's Borrell Rd (Arundel Rd), and Bertrams Ford.
NEIL'S LAND IN JIKA JIKA.
The Melville Park estate, in the municipality of Brunswick, consisting of 170 acres, the property of Mr Neil Campbell, of Campbellfield, sold to Mr Whitty of Sydney, for £8500 ;(P.4, The Age, 2-8-1858.)
The JIKA JIKA PARISH MAP shows that the only crown portion within the Brunsick area consisting of 170 acres was 127 east of the southern half of Dr Farquhar McCrae's Moreland Estate; fronting the south side of Moreland Rd between Sydney Rd and Merri Creek. He'd probably bought this land from (Captain Melville after whom Melville Rd was named.*)
*MELVILLE. This statement was based on my MEMORIES of a reading of Richard Broome's COBURG:BETWEEN TWO CREEKS twenty years ago, and my efforts to verify it on trove only brought up the bushranger. It is doubtful that Donald Melville M.L.C., born in 1929, after whom Melville Rd was probably named, had even arrived in Victoria by 1858 as no detail of his arrival is given in his biography. My best guess is that the owner of the Melville Estate before Neil Campbell was WILLIAM MELVILLE, who, by 1848 was a resident of Geelong,and in 1858, now a Melbourne resident married Ann McDonald at Barwon Heads. Victorian BDM includes Ann's death record (see below) but not the birth (or 1859 death) record of the son.
In 1859, his wife gave birth to a son at her residence, Drummond St, Carlton on 19th August but died on 26 August.
The only other person named Melville (except as an alias)mentioned on trove before 1860 was Henry Melville of Castlemaine.
EventDeath Event registration number5557 Registration year1859
Personal information
Family nameMELVILLE Given namesAnnie SexUnknown Father's nameMacdonald John Mother's nameCharlotte (Fleming) Place of birthSUT Place of death Age24 Spouse's family nameMELVILLE Spouse's given namesWilliam
I WONDER IF NEIL WAS HELPING HIS BROTHER DONALD (ABOUT 23)OR A SON OF ONE OF HIS FAR-FLUNG OLDER BROTHERS TO GET A JOB.
WANTED, A SITUATION As superintendent on a respectable sheep farming establishment,by a person who has been brought up to the business from his infancy in his native country, and who has had considerable experience both in Van Diemen's Land, and in Australia Felix. Reference to be made to Mr. Neil Campbell, of Campbellfield, Merri Creek, who will give such further reference as may be required with regard to competency.
(P.3, Port Phillip Gazette, 1-6-1844.)
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT ALEXANDER DRUMMOND WAS RELATED TO NEIL'S WIFE JESSIE.
TWENTY POUNDS REWARD.
Stolen or Strayed from Madman's Gully, Ovens Diggings,
A DARK IRON GREY HORSE, black mane and tail, hind legs white, branded JM over T on the near shoulder. If stolen a reward of twenty pounds will be paid on recovery of the horse and the conviction of the thief. If strayed five pounds will be given to any person delivering him at Mr. Bourke's Store, opposite the Commissioner's, Spring Creek, or at Mr. Neil Campbell's, Campbellfield.
ALEXANDER DRUMMOND, Ovens Diggings.(P.8, Argus, 11-2-1853.)
NEIL'S NEPHEW?
EventDeath Event registration number3444 Registration year1855
Personal information
Family nameDRUMMOND Given namesAlexander SexUnknown Father's nameAlexander Mother's nameEliza (Banks) Place of birthGEEL Place of death Age5*
* 5 meant 5 months as the son was born in 1855!
COMMISSIONERS' OFFICE.
January 18.
Notice is hereby given, that the following claims for grants will be ready for examination by the Commissioners appointed for that purpose, upon, or immediately after the 18th day of March next, on or before which day any caveat or counter claim must be entered :....; ........; etc;
Neile Campbell and William Milne, trustees for Alexander Drummond, 319a. Cornwall; etc.
(P.1, The Hobart Town Courier, 25-1-1839.)
THANKS ELAYNE!
I have not been in contact with Elayne Whatman nearly as long as I have with Bezza but certainly before the start of 2014 when she sent me this email.
I am in the throes of trying to devise a small booklet which would assist many in this area to understand the Broadmeadows area as it was up until 1996. I have several pieces of your information on the area and would appreciate your permission to revamp the writing style and include it in my project. I do not intend to alter any words or pictures other than to change the print style to Calibri and enhance the pictures. We have only a few copies of 'Broadmeadows - a forgotten history' left and gaining permission from Andrew Lemon to reprint this has been an ongoing saga for more than 4 years. We need another book / booklet to publicise this area before it is totally forgotten.
Thanking you in anticipation
Yours faithfully,
Elayne
Elayne was the secretary of the Broadmeadows Historical Society. I did not know at the time how long she had been involved in preserving the area's history or the problems she was having with mobility and vandals. But she battled on until recently when she had to go into care. I did my best to inspire Broadmeadows residents to take an interest in the area's history with my journals, WAKE UP AUSTRALIA and BROADMADOWS HISTORICAL SOCIETY, the latter sent to the Hume Messenger, prompting this from Elayne on 3-3-2015:
Firstly, you have no idea whatsoever as to how much the Members, Member Volunteers, Volunteers appreciated your comments in the local paper this week. There was an enormous shout of joy when each read it.
Elayne would have no idea of my joy last night when I found the information she'd posted on a message board:
NEIL CAMPBELL
NEIL CAMPBELL
ElayneWhatman68 (View posts)
Posted: 01 Nov 2008 01:01PM
Classification: Query
Surnames: CAMPBELL
Am hoping someone has or can find information on NEIL CAMPBELL, born at Sunipol, Island of Mull on January 11, 1800. Campbell sailed from Leith Harbour on November 15, 1823 and arrived in Hobart Town, Van Diemen's Land (now Tasmania, Australia) on 15th April, 1824. Campbell held a lot of land in an area named after him - Campbellfield (Victoria) and if information on his family can be found it can be added to what is already known on Neil Campbell through his time here.
TIA Elayne
Sunipol is north of Treshnish with Calgary Bay making a drive (18 min (4.8 mi) via B8073) a bit longer than the "as the crow flies" distance. Google DISTANCE BETWEEN SUNIPOL AND TRESHNISH ON THE ISLE OF MULL to see both places on the map.
A descendant of one of Neils brothers replied.
Re: NEIL CAMPBELL
Phil Slocombe (View posts)
Posted: 31 Dec 2013 12:30AM
Classification: Query
Hello Elayne
Neil Campbell of Sunipol and later Campbellfield was my great great grandfather's brother
WAS NEIL CAMPBELL, MAYOR OF GEELONG A SON OF THE CAMPELLFIELD PIONEER? NO, BUT HE WAS PROBABLY A NEPHEW.
EventDeath Event registration number17313 Registration year1939
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesNeil SexMale Father's nameCAMPBELL Archibald McArthur Mother's nameMary (Grieve) Place of birthGEELONG Place of deathNEWTOWN and CHILWELL Age79
MR. NEIL CAMPBELL
The death occurred at Geelong yesterday of Mr. Neil Campbell, aged 79 years,retired estate agent. Mr. Campbell, who was born in the Geelong district, was educated at Geelong College, and he then went on to his father's station property at Inverleigh, and later to Barunah. He made a close study of merino sheep breeding, and for many years led a party of wool students from the Gordon Institute of Technology to the Victorian Sheepbreeders' show. When a youth, Mr.Campbell joined the firm of George Synott and Co., and later entered into business as an estate agent. He was president of the agricultural society for several years, and for 10 years was secretary of the Geelong Racing Club. Mr.Campbell was a member of the Geelong City Council for 10 years, and Mayor for two years. He was greatly interested in the agitation for the Geelong Harbour Trust and the present Geelong race-
course. At sport he was a keen polo player and golfer.(P.2, Argus, 4-8-1939.)
There is no shadow of a doubt that CAMPBELL Archibald McArthur was the brother of Neil Campbell,and a pioneer near the Murray, mentioned in the 1935 article about the CAMPBELL BROTHERS!
AN EXTRAORDINARY COINCIDENCE!
I didn't want to get side tracked when I saw mention of Robert McDougall in the CAMPBELL BROTHERS article of 1935.
"(in 1845, when he'd stocked up)" Archibald Campbell was one of the pioneers of Northern Victoria. A companion of his was Robert McDougall, a stockman acting for George Curlewis. McDougall went on and occupied Reedy
Lake, Lake Boga, and Quambatook."
FROM THE Mc VOLUME OF MY DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND (10-9-1994 to 24-10-1994.)
"McDOUGALL, Robert, Keilor,was born in Perthshire, Scotland on 16-4-1813. He went to the Western Isles at 17 and for 6 months engaged in otter hunting. In 1836 he went to Canada and spent 3 years on the shores of Lake Huron. He went from Quebec to Scotland in 1839 and 2 or 3 years later left for Port Phillip, arriving in 1842. He worked as a station manager in various parts of the colony until 1848 when he rented part of the Glenroy Estate." ("Cona")
Neil Campbell would have passed Cona every time he travelled between Campbellfield and Melbourne and no doubt Neil had read all about Robert in letters from his brother, Archibald McArthur Campbell in the three years prior to Robert settling on Cona. It's not hard to imagine Neil calling in for a cuppa (or whisky)and to discuss the latest news from Archie.
To save more transcription from my handwritten DHOTAMA: Robert spent 14 years on Cona and 10 years on Aitken's Estate (including the Maribyrnong River's closest approach to Buckley St and parts of West Essendon and Avondale Heights (east of "Norwood" where his future son in law, Sandy Smith grew up), and in 1872 moved into his mansion on Arundel, built after he'd bought the property in 1868.
"Arundel",, part of the Glengyle Estate (where Flora Campbell was probably married in 1846), as was Bertram's "Ellengowan", was named by Edward Wilson, Argus owner and editor a year or so after retiring there because of approaching blindness.
A BIT OF McDOUGALL TRIVIA.
Robert was on Cona when he married Margaret Rankin in 1853 at Roseneath Cottage, the residence of Kensington pioneer, John Rankin after whom Rankins Rd was named. By the time Peter Eadie of Sunbury married Margaret's sister in 1864 (thus becoming Robert's brother in law), a railway line from North Melbourne to Essendon had been built with Kensington Station now across Rankins Rd (probably still known as Princes St) from Roseneath Cottage, but the line was soon to close.
NEIL CAMPBELL IN VAN DIEMEN'S LAND.
WHAT A SURPRISE THIS WAS. I knew a lot about the Brodie's since 1988 but never wondered where they'd been before their arrival in Melbourne in 1836. I did, however, wonder about Mrs Brodie running a store in Broadmeadows Township and some Brodie lads working as ploughmen for farmers in that area. I thought that the only thing they shared with George and Richard Brodie was a surname. However in a search caused by this find, I discovered that George Sinclair Brodie had divorced his wife in 1859 and she was probably the seller of drapery etc. I wonder if Brodie had suggested which land would produce the best yield of wheat (as detailed in a glowing article about Neil's land at Campbellfield which I haven't copied yet!)
The nearest Brodie property to Neil's Will Will Rook grants was Dunhelen, just north of today's Greenvale Reservoir, whose south east corner was the Merri Creek at the right side of Melway 180 F5, a distance of 270 chains (5.4 km) along the Hume Highway from the northern boundary of Neil's grant (and the 5 acres he donated for Scots Church.)
(Source:http://www.familytreecircles.com/a-chronology-of-occupants-of-dunhelen-1240-mickleham-rd-north-of-greenvale-reservoir-victoria-australia-68605.html)
Launceston Publican's Races.
THIRD AND FOURTH DAYS.
IT has been preposed (sic) that in addition to the RACES already advertised, the sports be continued on Thursday and Friday the 8th and 9th of March, 1832,—and that for those days—, Messrs. EDWARD BAILEY,GEORGE SINCLAIR BRODIE and NEIL CAMPBELL, be Stewards. And that Messrs. GEORGE BURGESS, and ALEXANDER WADDLE, be Clerks of the Course,etc. (P.1, The Independent (Launceston), 18-2-1832.)
NEIL CAMPBELL'S BROTHERS,ALEXANDER (AND COLIN)found with a Google search for NEIL CAMPBELL, TASMANIAN PIONEER.
Copy the bold type and paste it into your search bar. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8608480
ALEXANDER'S DEATH RECORD.(VIC. BDM)
EventDeath Event registration number9745 Registration year1890
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesAlexr Mclean SexMale Father's nameNeil Mother's nameAnn (Mclean)* Place of birth Place of deathSouth Yarra Age85
*As Alexander was indisputably the brother of Neil, it can be assumed that the mother of Neil (not detailed in Neil's death record near the start of the journal)was also Ann, nee McLean.
N.B. BEFORE I FORGET, I'D BETTER LOOK FOR THE DEATH RECORDS OF others ofNEIL CAMPBELL'S SIBLINGS and post them at the end of the journal under this heading.
Wondering if Port Campbell was named after Alexander, I tried Wikipedia which was useless but found two other sources claiming that it was.
Port Campbell | Victorian Places
www.victorianplaces.com.au/port-campbell
Port Campbell, a resort and cray fishing port facing Bass Strait in western Victoria, is on the Great Ocean Road about midway between Cape Otway and Warrnambool. It was named after Alexander Campbell, a farmer, whaler and trader.
Port Campbell, Vic - Aussie Towns
Origin of Name
Port Campbell was named after a Captain Alexander Campbell who was known as 'the last of the buccaneers*'. He traded between Victoria and Van Diemen's Land and, being in charge of the whaling station at Port Fairy, began taking shelter in the bay, the only shelter along the coast, in the early 1840s when he was sailing between King Island and Port Fairy.
*The closest Alexander would have come to being a buccaneer might relate to the French origin of the word, boucanier, using a frame over a fire to preserve meat he'd obtained by hunting, or the word used for businessmen who disregard extreme danger. He was no pirate.
Application for grant on behalf of a lad.
Neile Campbell and William Milne, trustees for Alexander Drummond, 319a. Cornwall*; etc.
(P.1, The Hobart Town Courier, 25-1-1839.)
*Cornwall was obviously the parish containing Launceston, hence the name of the newspaper and hotel established by John Fawkner Junior (son of Hannah, nee Pascoe after whom a street in Gowanbrae, near Tullamarine was named at my suggestion.)
This lad could have been the one whose horse could be delivered to Neil at Campbellfield to claim the reward in 1853 but would be less likely to be the Geelong resident whose 5 year old son died in 1855 (unless 5 meant months as in the case of Neil's daughter b.1843, d.1844 WHICH WAS THE CASE BECAUSE THE SON WAS BORN IN 1855!) No Victorian BDM death record could be found for an Alexander Drummond born before 1840.
EXECUTOR FOR JOHN WADDELL. William Field and Neil were executors for the deceased Launceston farmer but claims against the estate were to be sent to William. Does this indicate that Neil was about to leave for Port Phillip?
(P.3, Launceston Advertiser, 8-2-1838.)
The Independent (Launceston, Tas. : 1831 - 1835) Saturday 31 August 1833 p 2
BIRTH.— On Monday morning last, Mrs. NEIL CAMPBELL, of a daughter.
After publican Gavin Ralston was involved in a blue with a patron, both had to post a bond to keep the peace with a bondsman for each to do likewise. Neil was bondsman for Gavin.
Launceston Advertiser (Tas. : 1829 - 1846) Monday 9 May 1831 p 149 Article
NEIL MUST HAVE TRAVELLED TO SYDNEY TO BUY HISPORT PHILLIP GRANTS IN 1838.
The link to see the Will Will Rook grant has been provided above.
See section 10 KEELBUNDORA which obviously included the Bundoora Park public golf course,children's farm and fauna park, and, across Plenty Rd, Larundel Psychiatric Hospital shown on map 19 in my 1999 Melway.
If the link to the Keelbundora map doesn't work, copy digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_publish/simpleimages/24/2598315.htmland paste it into your search bar.
HAVING BOUGHT HIS PORT PHILLIP GRANTS, NEIL ACTS TO RECOVER DEBTS BEFORE LEAVING THE APPLE ISLE.
J.A.DENHAM, INSOLVENT
NEIL CAMPBELL'S SIBLINGS.
ALEXANDER "PORT FAIRY CAMPBELL"
EventDeath Event registration number9745 Registration year1890
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesAlexr Mclean SexMale Father's nameNeil Mother's nameAnn (Mclean)* Place of birth Place of deathSouth Yarra Age85
In the hope of finding the death notice of one of Alexander's sisters for whom he built a house at Port Fairy in 1841, I did a family notices search using his name and stumbled upon Alexander's death notice instead. His obituary will explain why it was in a Gippsland paper.
CAMPBELL.—On the 25th inst., at his residence, Caroline-street, South Yarra, Capt.Alexander Campbell, aged eighty-five. Arrived at Hobart Town, 1825; settled in Victoria, 1836.(P.3, Gippsland Times, 28-5-1890.)
ARCHIBALD CAMPBELL, PIONEER NEAR THE MURRAY RIVER WITH ROBERT McDOUGALL IN THE MID 1840'S.
EventDeath Event registration number1607 Registration year1897
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesArchd Mcarthur SexUnknown Father's nameCampbell Neil Mother's nameAnne (Mclean) Place of birth Place of deathGlong Age80
DONALD WHO DIED OF A FRACTURED SKULL IN 1857.
EventDeath Event registration number489 Registration year1857
Personal information
Family nameCAMPBELL Given namesDonald SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown* Mother's name Place of birth Place of death Age40
* Donald Campbell, brother of Mr Neil Campbell, of Campbellfield, was brought into the Melbourne Hospital, suffering from a compound fracture of the skull. It appeared that he was riding out of town upon the Flemington road, mounted upon a young and spirited horse which became unmanageable, and he was thrown violently upon the ground and received the injury just mentioned. He was promptly attended by Mr Gillbee, the surgeon for the week. It was found upon examination that the frontal bone was broken to a considerable extent, and some portion of this part of the skull had to be removed. He lies in a most precarious state, and grave fears are entertained for his recovery.(P.4, The Age, 24-1-1857.)
On the 26th inst., at Melbourne, Donald McLean Campbell, sixth son of the late Neil Campbell, Esq., Sunipol, Isle of Mull, Scotland.(P.4, The Argus, 27-1-1857.)
MORE TO COME.(Early involvement at Geelong, etc.)
ROWLEY, EDWARDS, TAYLOR, PIDOTO, TOWNSEND, MCNAB, MITCHELL, WATSON/BRYAN, FAMILY CONNECTIONS AT DROMANA, VIC., AUST.
THE HEROIC TASMANIAN POLICEMAN BORN IN DROMANA.
WILLIAM RICHARD TAYLOR
I couldn't find William Richard Taylor's birth record in Victorian BDM but it would be too much to believe that he was NOT related to Christina Edwards who married Robert Rowley and Frances Taylor who married Carmello (Peter) Pidoto.
Arthur Henry Taylor (1894-1971) was probably the brother who moved to Tasmania with William Richard Taylor and he was definitely a son of William Taylor (1849-1895) and Mary Christina Taylor (nee Rowley, 1866-1958), although Arthur's birth record could not be found either.
ARTHUR HENRY TAYLOR
Robert Rowley probably grew up at Longford Tasmania and was appointed a constable* there before he moved to Dromana where he was working for Peter Pidoto when he married Christina Edwards*. Little else is known of Robert's early life apart from his lime burning with Henry Cadby Wells in the early 1840's and crayfishing with Wells in approximately 1849-50.
* STRATFORD, Tuesday -An old colonist in this district is Mr. Rowley of Rye, father of Mr. Frank Rowley, Munro. He landed in Tasmania in 1824, being then 4 years old. He there resided until 1844** when he came to Victoria, where he has since lived. In Tasmania he held an appointment under Government and received from the Crown a grant of land.(P.8, Argus, 8-1-1908.)
** N.B.It is more likely that 1844 was when Robert returned to Tassie (or took to the sea or moved to Gippsland) for about 5 years, because the 1843 depression had severely reduced the demand for lime, ending his first venture with H.C.Wells. However the mention of the Government appointment confirms that the constable named Robert Rowley was indeed the later Dromana and Rye pioneer.
* ROWLEY—EDWARDS—By the Rev. J Smithies, at the house of Mr Joseph Tongs, Illawarra**, Christina Edwards, the only daughter of Mr William Edwards, of Newborough.Fife. Scotland, to Mr Robert Rowley, of Dromana, Victoria.
Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899) Tuesday 22 January 1861 p 5 Family Notices
*ILLAWARRA is 4 km from Longford.
4 min (4.0 km) via Illawarra Rd/B52 and B51
Nothing could be found about the Taylor family's property "Spring Hill" at Dromana except that it was later occupied by John Dyson.
You don't have to BELIEVE that William Richard Taylor was the son of William Taylor. I was actually starting to doubt that he could have been, if he was born in 1897 as stated in the article, and William had died in 1895. William Richard was actually born in 1887, a decade earlier than the article stated.
ROBERT AND CHRISTINA ROWLEY'S TAYLOR GRANDCHILDREN.
Mary Jane Taylor (1884-1973)
Frank Taylor (1886-1985)
William Richard Taylor (1887-)
Christina Taylor (1889-)
Frances Elizabeth Taylor (1892-1984)*
Arthur Henry Taylor (1894-1971)
WILLIAM TAYLOR
*THIS CHILD WAS NAMED AFTER PETER PIDOTO'S WIFE WHO DIED IN 1931.
EventDeath Event registration number13443 Registration year1931
Personal information
Family namePIDOTO Given namesFrances Elizabeth SexFemale Father's nameTAYLOR William Mother's nameMary (Harrison*) Place of birth Place of deathCLIFTON HILL Age85
* The website above listing the children explains the Harrison connection.
I KNEW I'D FORGET SOMETHING.
How did I know the name of the Taylor property at Dromana?
It was mentioned in William Taylor's death notice in 1895. It contains an error which could seriously mislead family historians, stating that he was a son-in-law of W.Rowley. I presume that what was meant was that William Taylor was the BROTHER- in-law of WILLIAM Rowley (born 1864, reg. no.21465.)
WILLIAM'S DEATH NOTICE.
TAYLOR— On tho 29th May, at his residence, Spring
Hill, Dromana, of pneumonia, after six days illness,
William Taylor, the beloved husband of Mary Christina
Taylor, and brother of Mrs. Pidoto, Rowe-street, North
Fitzroy, and son-in-law of W Rowley, Rye, aged 46.
Deeply regretted.(P.1, The Age, 4-6-1895.)
HIS WIFE'S BIRTH RECORD. NOTE HER PARENTS' NAMES.
EventBirth Event registration number14380 Registration year1866
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesMary Christina SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthDROMANA
The difficulties for family historians are complicated further by the year of death on William's gravestone at Dromana being clearly inscribed as 1896 rather than 1895.
The date of the issue containing the death notice has been checked and found to be correct.
WILLIAM'S GRAVESTONE PHOTO.
Luckily, I did not have to amend my 397 page manuscript, PIONEER BURIALS AT DROMANA, which contains William's obituary.
"31-5-1895. WILLIAM TAYLOR.
EventDeath, Event registration number5230, Registration year1895
Personal information
Family nameTAYLOR, Given namesWm, SexMale
Father's nameWm, Mother's nameMary (Harrison)
Place of birth, Place of deathDromana, Age46
An old resident of Dromana, Mr William Taylor, died on the 29th May, at the age of forty-seven years, the interment taking place in the local cemetery on Friday, the 31st May, the Rev. A. Taylor conducting the funeral service. The deceased, who leaves a widow and a young family of six children, was a resident of the district for forty years, and was much respected.(P.2,Mornington Standard, 13-6-1895.)
William Taylor’s burial at Dromana is recorded on the ozgen list. The age at death is given as 46 but the date of death inscribed on the gravestone is wrong; i.e. 29-5-1896. I believe that Mrs Frances Pidoto has had the gravestone erected quite some time after the burial."
I HATE LOOSE ENDS!
No burial of Mary Christine Taylor was found at the Dromana or Rye Cemeteries and I could find no record of her death on Victorian BDM. I tried a google search for MARY CHRISTINA ROWLEY MARRIED WILLIAM TAYLOR IN 1883 and discovered why, as well as TOWNSEND and MCNAB links.
TOWNSEND SURNAME IN AUSTRALIA
Mary Christina Rowley
F, b. 1866, d. 1958
Father: Robert Rowley b. c 1840 (sic, 1822)
Mother: Christena Edwards b. c 1840
Birth*: Mary Christina Rowley was born in 1866 at Dromana, Rye, Vic, AustraliaG.
She was the daughter of Robert Rowley and Christena Edwards.
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married William Taylor in 1883 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married Nathaniel James Townsend, son of John Townsend and Alison Mitchell, in 1896 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married Robert McNab in 1906 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Death*: Mary Christina Rowley died in 1958 at Rye, Vic, AustraliaG; Age 91 years.
Married Name: As of 1883,her married name was Taylor.
Married Name: As of 1896,her married name was Townsend.
Married Name: As of 1906,her married name was McNab.
Last Edited: 4 Feb 2008
Family 1: William Taylor b. c 1860
Marriage*: She married William Taylor in 1883 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Family 2: Nathaniel James Townsend b. 1867, d. 23 May 1904
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married Nathaniel James Townsend, son of John Townsend and Alison Mitchell*, in 1896 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Florence Mabel Townsend+ b. 1901, d. 1971
Frederick Stanley Townsend b. 1903, d. 1967
Family 3: Robert McNab b. c 1870
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married Robert McNab in 1906 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Robert Rowley
M, b. circa 1840 (sic., 1822)
Birth*: Robert Rowley was born circa 1840.*
Marriage*: He married Christena Edwards circa 1860.
Last Edited: 3 Feb 2008
Family: Christena Edwards b. c 1840
Mary Christina Rowley+ b. 1866, d. 1958
* Robert was born in about 1820 according to the article about Frank Rowley of Munro. His death record almost agrees with this. His gravestone at Rye apparently states that he was "born London,(1822) arrived Sydney 8/7/1826" which accords with his death record.
EventDeath Event registration number14401 Registration year1911
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesRobt SexUnknown Father's nameRowley Jas Mother's nameElizth (King) Place of birth Place of deathPt Nepean Age89
It will be a mammoth, perhaps impossible, task to find any reference to Mrs McNab (or McNabb) at Rye on trove but I am fairly sure that Nell Arnold's history of Rye not only mentions this lady but reasonably specifically gives the location of her house.
* The mention of Allison Mitchell reignited my curiosity about the mysterious Mitchell family mentioned only once in relation to early Dromana on trove(in connection with John Mitchell, who, neglected by his family, died in 1862) and in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA (in connection to John Bryan, whose real name was Peter Watson, having married a Miss Mitchell.) I wondered whether Allison Townsend and Margaret Watson were daughters of the unfortunate John Mitchell and have managed to prove to my satisfaction that they were in my journal:
JOHN MITCHELL, NEGLECTED BY HIS FAMILY, DIED NEAR DROMANA, VIC., AUST., IN 1862.
The only surname mentioned above that does not seem to be connected with Dromana is McNAB. Robert Rowley, associated with the Nepean Peninsula in the early 1840's and again in about 1850 was living in Dromana near today's Carrigg St in 1860, and for some years after his marriage, before Rye claimed him as a pioneer. After the death of Nathaniel James Townsend, Robert's daughter may have moved to Rye and met her third husband, Robert McNab, there. It is of interest that Robert Rowley retained an interest in the Dromana area, purchasing land on the summit of Arthurs Seat in 1904.
JOHN MITCHELL, NEGLECTED BY HIS FAMILY, DIED NEAR DROMANA, VIC., AUST., IN 1862.
I thought that John was described simply as an old man in the article that I found about a year ago and have spent hours looking for, vainly trying a MITCHELL, GRIFFITH,DROMANA search on trove in the knowledge that Rebecca Griffith had been a key witness. However, all reports of the inquest record that his name was John Mitchell. Was he the father of Allison Mitchell who married John Townsend?
To ensure that I don't have to search again when I resume, here's the link to the par on page 4 of The Argus on 1-8-1862..
John Mitchell aged about 62
This is almost certainly his death record.
EventDeath Event registration number7534 Registration year1862
Personal information
Family nameMITCHELL Given namesJohn SexUnknown Father's nameGeorge Mother's nameEllen (Oliver) Place of birthSCOT Place of death Age62
John Townsend married Allison Mitchell and her death record states that John Mitchell was her father.
EventDeath Event registration number11498 Registration year1932
Personal information
Family nameTOWNSEND Given namesAllison SexFemale Father's nameMITCHELL John Mother's nameHelen (Scott) Place of birth Place of deathDROMANA Age90
Mary Christina Rowley married William Taylor in 1883 but no death or burial record was found for Mary Christina Taylor. That was because she'd married "Nathaniel James Townsend, son of John Townsend and Alison Mitchell, in 1896 at Vic, AustraliaG and Robert McNab in 1906 at Vic, AustraliaG."
" Family 2: Nathaniel James Townsend b. 1867, d. 23 May 1904
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married Nathaniel James Townsend, son of John Townsend and Alison Mitchell, in 1896 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Florence Mabel Townsend+ b. 1901, d. 1971
Frederick Stanley Townsend b. 1903, d. 1967"
townsend genealogy
The Mount Alexander Mail was rather sloppy in its reporting of the inquest, firstly calling the deceased Joseph Mitchell and then John Mitchell in the finding. Page 3, Mount Alexander Mail,4-8-1862
This would be the death record of John Mitchell's widow, whose christian name was given as Helen in Allison Townsend's death record.
EventDeath Event registration number1277 Registration year1888
Personal information
Family nameMITCHELL Given namesEllen SexUnknown Father's nameScott John Mother's nameHelen (Oliver) Place of birth Place of deathDROMANA Age88 Spouse's family nameMITCHELL Spouse's given namesJohn
As a midwife, Susan Peatey delivered several babies on Jamieson's Special Survey where John Mitchell had probably been farming. Abraham and Rebecca Griffith were living at about Melway 160 H 3,4.) The Survey had the same boundaries as Safety Beach, extending east to Bulldog Creek Rd. In A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA Colin McLear stated that John Bryan married a Miss Mitchell, but as shown in an 1869 insolvency case, his name was actually Peter Watson,(not Bryan Watson as Colin had been told.)
On 3-2-1867, Margaret, and on 27-10-1869 George*, were born to Margaret and Peter Watson.(PINE TREES AND BOX THORNS, Rosalind Peatey.)
* GEORGE'S DEATH NOTICE.
Bryan- On the 23rd January at Warragul,George, eldest son of late J and M Bryan,Dromana, loved brother Margaret (W.A. ) Dunlop (Dromana) Maitland (Apollo Bay) aged 66 years. (Born as George Watson on 27-10-1869.)
(P.1, Argus, 28-1-1936.)
EventBirth Event registration number1829 Registration year1867
Personal information
Family nameWATSON Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROMANA
EventBirth Event registration number21893 Registration year1869
Personal information
Family nameWATSON Given namesGeorge SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROMANE (Typical careless Victorian BDM typo!)
Unfortunately no death record has been found for Margaret Watson or Margaret Bryan to tie the mother of these two children to John Mitchell and Helen, nee Scott.
Interestingly, the later children, Maitland and Dunlop, were born with WATSON as their surname.
EventBirth Event registration number2028 Registration year1872
Personal information
Family nameWATSON Given namesMaitland SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROM
EventBirth Event registration number2079 Registration year1877
Personal information
Family nameWATSON Given namesBryan Dunlop SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROMANA
EventDeath Event registration number20343 Registration year1945
Personal information
Family nameBRYAN Given namesDunlop SexMale Father's nameUNKNOWN Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthDROMANA Place of deathDROMANA Age68
EventDeath Event registration number21172 Registration year1941
Personal information
Family nameBRYAN Given namesMaitland SexMale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthDROMANA Place of deathCOLAC Age67
On page 74 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, Colin McLear stated that John Bryan succeeded Mary Ann McLear (about 1861) at The Willow on the Survey and later (probably 1869) moved to the top of Arthurs Seat opposite the Head of the Town Common*, accessed by Bryan's Cutting**. He married a Miss Mitchell, member of a family early in the district! That's about the only evidence I'm likely to find that Margaret Watson/Bryan was a daughter of John Mitchell who died in 1862. Colin also mentioned that Dunlop was a bachelor. Maitland's wife died at Colac in 1908 as revealed in a death notice discovered earlier.
EventMarriage Event registration number4597 Registration year1902
Personal information
Family nameBRYAN Given namesMaitland SexUnknown Spouse's family nameCOSTIN Spouse's given namesBertha
EventDeath Event registration number5470 Registration year1908
Personal information
Family nameBRYAN Given namesBertha SexUnknown Father's nameCosten Hy Lazenby Mother's nameElizth (Ward) Place of birth Place of deathColac Age25
*PETER WATSON'S GRANTS OPPOSITE THE HEAD OF THE TOWN COMMON.
Crown allotment 25B, section B Wannaeue,of 82 acres 3 roods 30 perches, purchased from the Crown on 30-10-1895 and fronting the south side of Arthurs Seat Rd from Melway 171J 1 to Heath Lane (the original north end of Main Creek Rd)with its eastern boundary being the northern 70 metres of Heath Lane. Incidentally, to the west of this block was 25A, granted to 84 year old Robert Rowley whose daughter Mary Christina became Mrs William Taylor/ Nathaniel James Townsend/ Robert McNab and because of her second husband reignited my interest in Allison Mitchell.
The wedge-shaped Town Common was in the parish of Kangerong, with its HEAD shaded green in Melway 158 H 12 across Arthurs Seat Rd from the north west corner of Peter Watson's c/a 25B.
Crown allotment 24C of 89 acres 1 rood 7 perches and granted on 21-10-1895, south of 25AB but not fronting Purves or Main Creek Rds, with the second Whites Rd bend near the bottom of Melway 171 G4 forming its south west corner and a 537 metre frontage eastward along Whites Rd.
** BRYAN'S CUTTING. Bryan's cutting, wrongly called O'Brien's Cutting in Sheila Skidmore's THE RED HILL, started as the current Hillview Quarry Rd off Boundary Rd and wound its way up the town common (later called the gravel reserve)between William Grace's "Gracefield" to the west and Robert Caldwell's "Dromana Hill" to the east, MAINLY QUARRY NOW BUT DR WELD'S HERITAGE-LISTED HOUSE IS SHOWN AT THE WEST END OF THE FUTURE DEVON RD.on Melbourne (Ewart) Brindle's sensational map of Dromana pre 1918 which shows part of the cutting with a notation at its uphill extent: TO BRYAN'S HUT.
Finding the death record of their father was not so easy. A trove search for "john bryan, dromana" revealed that he was still alive in 1883, therefore eliminating the need to inspect some of the 44 death records for John Bryan.
IN the Supreme Court of tho Colony of Victoria—In Insolvency.— In the matter of the Insolvency of PETER WATSON, commonly known as John Bryan, of Dromana, in the Colony of Victoria, laborer— Notice is hereby given that the above-named insolvent intends to APPLY to the Chief Commissioner of Insolvent Estates for the Colony of Victoria, at the Insolvent Court House, Queen street, Melbourne, on Friday the 24th day of August next, at the
hour of ten o'clock in the forenoon, that a CERTIFICATE of DISCHARGE under the Insolvency Statute, 1865, may be GRANTED to him.
Dated this 17th day of July,CHARLES FAUSSET, 78 Elizabeth street, Melbourne, Attorney for Insolvent.
(P.4, The Herald, 18-7-1883.)
Ewart Brindle lived on Sunnyside, part of the subdivision of Gracefield and as he was born in 1905, his earliest long term memories (required several decades later when the map was drawn in America) probably dated from about 1910. Therefore John Bryan (or Peter Watson) was possibly still alive at that time.
In the 1900 Shire of Flinders and Kangerong rates, M.G.D (possibly Margaret)Watson was assessed on 147 acres Wannaeue and Peter Watson on 173 acres Wannaeue, both in the central riding which included Dromana, Flinders and the land between them.
There was no mention of either in the 1910 rates, and given their son George Bryan's death at Warragul, the Peter Watson of Drouin in 1906 could have been his father.
Decoration, by St. Laurence, Mr. Peter Watson, Drouin 65 (P.9, The Australasian, 4-8-1906.)
The same man might have been at Iona, (8.8km via Bunyip River Rd south west of Bunyip) by 1909.
THIS DAY. At Half-past Two AT KRAFT'S HOTEL, BUNYIP. W.S. KEAST and Co. and BERNARD MICHAEL (In conjunction) have received Instructions from Mr. Peter Watson, to SELL by PUBLIC AUCTION,
That very rich little farm, containing 75 acres O roods 1 perch, situated about three miles from the Bunyip R.S., and one mile from the Iona P.O. and township; together with the improvements, which consist of a 3 roomed house, kitchen, stabling, sheds &c.(P.2, Argus, 23-1-1909.)
Whether this man was the husband of Margaret nee Mitchell is not proved but it seems that the farm might have been sold because of ill-health, causing retirement; Peter Watson died in Dromana the same year.
EventDeath Event registration number12197 Registration year1909
Personal information
Family nameWATSON Given namesPeter SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathDromana Age80
EUREKA
Peter Watson's wife was a sister of John Townsend's wife, Allison, nee Mitchell!
EventDeath Event registration number9360 Registration year1914
Personal information
Family nameWATSON Given namesMargt SexUnknown Father's nameMitchell Jno Mother's nameHellen (Scott) Place of birth Place of deathDromana Age80
ONE MORE THING!
COLIN McLEAR MENTIONED ANOTHER SON, TOM.
EventBirth Event registration number14790 Registration year1864
Personal information
Family nameWATSON Given namesWilliam Thomas SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROM
Three men named Wm. Thos.Watson were married between 1884 and 1900 but marriage records do not give enough information to confirm if any of them were the above.
There is no death record (with the right parents) for the above with a surname of Watson or Bryan. There is also no death record (under either surname)for George Bryan who died at Warragul in 1936 according to his death notice above.
Mary Ann McLear purchased crown allotment 3 (wrongly stated on page 99 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA as c/a 13)of section 2 Kangerong from her business partner, Charles Graves,for 200 pounds on 31-1-1860. Soon after she moved onto the property and was replaced on The Willows (approximately Melway 160 D4 according to the page 27 map)by John Bryan, whom we all know by now was Peter Watson. Within a year he had married Margaret Mitchell.
EventMarriage Event registration number611 Registration year1861
Personal information
Family nameWATSON Given namesPeter SexMale Spouse's family nameMITCHELL Spouse's given namesMargaret
It is likely that the Mitchells lived in between The Willows and the Griffith homestead. Peter probably did a bit of farming but without a jetty it was hard to get produce to market in Melbourne so he was probably working on the timber from dawn to dusk with Margaret carrying out the farming chores and caring for the children. This might explain why she had little time to help her ailing father but the reason was more likely a huge argument, with Margaret's mother leaving her husband. The reason will probably never been known; likewise the reason that Peter was known as John Bryan. Perhaps he was a deserter, absconding from MAITLAND!
JOHN TOWNSEND AND HIS FAMILY.
As Townsend family notices were rare, while there is much information in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA about John Townsend's occupations there is little genealogical information and even that is confusing, such as the claim on page 84 that Mrs John Townsend was a daughter of Charlie Dyson. I presume that if this was true, she had married a son of John and Allison. See TOWNSEND-DYSON below. John's biography is on page 74 and the only genealogical information is that he was born in 1840 and died in 1918. No marriage record was found for Allison Mitchell.
EventDeath Event registration number8538 Registration year1918
Personal information
Family nameTOWNSEND Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameTownsend Jas Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathDromana Age78
John does not seem to have been born in Victoria.
Although there is no death record for Allison Mitchell, there is one for John.
EventMarriage Event registration number3297 Registration year1864
Personal information
Family nameTOWNSEND Given namesJohn SexMale Spouse's family nameMITCHELL Spouse's given namesAlison
THEIR CHILDREN. (YEAR OF BIRTH AND REGISTER NUMBER. BORN AT DROMANA UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED.)
1865 Reg. no14930 JOHN*
1867 Reg. no7790 NATHANIEL JAMES
1871 Reg. no5943 GEORGE MITCHELL, TOOTGAROOK**
1873 Reg. no13263 WILLIAM, TOOTGAROOK**
1875 Reg. no19972 HELLEN, TOOTGAROOK
1877 Reg. no25531 ERNEST, TOOTGAROOK
1880 Reg. no12218 ARTHUR, TOOTGAROOK
1886 Reg. no25611 JESSIE
1888 Reg. no10763 SAMUELWATSON***
Unless I'm blind there was no birth record for the third son, Thomas, who died in South Africa aged 62 in 1932 and would have been born in 1869 or 1870. There seems to be a big gap between 1880 and 1886 so there might have been other children.
* It would have been this John Townsend who married Charlie Dyson's daughter (if the claim is true.)No record of a Townsend-Dyson marriage was found.
** William Townsend died at Rye in 1936 and an obituary was written.
WILLIAM TOWNSEND
It stated that he was born at Rosebud (c/a's 31DC Wannaeue, bounded by the freeway, Hove Rd, Rosebud Avenue and Waterfall Gully Rd, and c/a 30B to the south containing Bayview and Mount Arthur Avenues.) Tootgarook (Rye)was a bit farther away from John's grants but there was no mountain to climb in order to register the birth.
George might have been named after the father of Allison's father (see below#), as probably was George Watson, the son of Allison's sister Margaret,(born 27-10-1869 on Jamieson's Special Survey, died 23-1-1936 at Warragul.)
EventDeath Event registration number7534 Registration year1862
Personal information
Family nameMITCHELL Given namesJohn SexUnknown Father's nameGeorge# Mother's nameEllen (Oliver) Place of birthSCOT Place of death Age62
*** Allison Townsend's sister, Margaret had married Peter Watson (also known as John Bryan.)
EventDeath Event registration number11498 Registration year1932
Personal information
Family nameTOWNSEND Given namesAllison SexFemale Father's nameMITCHELL John Mother's nameHelen (Scott) Place of birth Place of deathDROMANA Age90
There does not seem to have been a death notice for Allison but it can be assumed that her death occurred after 16 July 1932.
TOWNSEND.— On the 27th May, at Johannesburg, South Africa, Thomas, third son of Alison and the late John Townsend, of Dromana, aged 62.(P.5, The Age, 16-7-1932.)
DEATH NOTICE OF JAMES NATHANIEL TOWNSEND THE SECOND HUSBAND OF MARY CHRISTINA, NEE ROWLEY.
TOWNSEND.—On the 23rd May, at Dromana, James N , dearly beloved husband of M. C.Townsend, age 36. At rest.
(P.1, Argus, 26-5-1904.)
M.C.Townsend is often mentioned on trove in regard to Dromana and now that we know who she is, it may be possible to find if she was still there or at Rye when she married Robert McNab in 1906.
TOWNSEND-DYSON.
Another loose end was the supposed marriage of John Townsend and Charlie Dyson's daughter. Not having found a marriage record to support the claim, I decided to check Townsend births from 1890 to 1910.
EventBirth Event registration number3089 Registration year1893
Personal information
Family nameTOWNSEND Given namesMarian Allison SexFemale Father's nameThomas Mother's nameChristina I (Dyson) Place of birthDROM
EventBirth Event registration number4309 Registration year1897
Personal information
Family nameTOWNSEND Given namesMartha Emma Thomasin SexUnknown Father's nameThos Mother's nameCtina Isabel (Dyson) Place of birthKEW
There is no death record for Christina Isabelle Townsend from 1897 and only two for Christina Townsend, nee Bird, and another with the mother's name given as Teresa Jane Fillin, it is likely that the mother of the above two children died in South Africa and her husband was Thomas, third son of John Townsend who died aged 62 in 1932 in South Africa as in the death notice in bold type not too far above.
This could be the birth record of Thomas Townsend's future wife. It did not come up in a Christina Isabelle Dyson search so I searched all Dyson birth from 1860 to 1870.
EventBirth Event registration number8258 Registration year1864
Personal information
Family nameDYSON Given namesChristine Isabella SexUnknown Father's nameJohn Mother's nameMary Ann (Singleton) Place of birthDROM
This birth record is included because of a discovery I made when researching my PIONEER BURIALS AT DROMANA. The head of the Dyson family, whom Colin referred to as Charlie, and his son, (CALLED JACK BY COLIN McLEAR) were BOTH named John Charles Dyson.
DYSON Given namesJohn Charles EventBirth Father's name / Spouse's family nameJohn Mother's maiden name / Spouse's given nameMary An (Singleton) Reg. year1863 Reg. no1710
I extended my search up to 1880 and there was no other birth of a Christine/a Isabelle/a Dyson.
The TOWNSEND SURNAME IN AUSTRALIA website provides the following information.
Christina Isabella Dyson
F, b. circa 1870
Birth*: Christina Isabella Dyson was born circa 1870.
Marriage*: She married Thomas Townsend in 1892 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Married Name: As of 1892,her married name was Townsend.
Last Edited: 31 Jan 2008
Family: Thomas Townsend b. c 1870
Marian Allison Townsend b. 1893
Helen Edith May Townsend b. 1894
Martha Emma Thomasina Townsend b. 1897
And by clicking on Thomas Townsend, the same information with the fact that he was born (registered) at Rye (Tootgarook)which comes as no surprise because all children of John and Allison Townsend born between 1871 and 1880 were registered at Tootgarook. This tells us that John was living on his Wannaeue selections by 1870 (or maybe even 1869) when Thomas was born.
Unfortunately Marriage records do not specify the place of marriage OR OTHER INFORMATION SHOWN ON THE CERTIFICATE. John Townsend junior was born in 1864 and only six men of that name married between 1884 when he would have been 20 and 1910 when he would have been 46.
The only Townsend man with the right given name whose spouse had a surname known in the area is shown below. There is no proof that he was the son of John and Allison Townsend born in 1864 and if he was, he certainly didn't marry Charlie Dyson's daughter.
EventMarriage Event registration number3191 Registration year1899
Personal information
Family nameTOWNSEND Given namesJno SexUnknown Spouse's family nameHENDERSON Spouse's given namesMargt Turner
THE OLDEST COLONIST IN 1900? EDWARD WILLIAM HOBSON? SON OF J.P.MAIN? LUTTRELL. (VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.)
Mr E. B. Luttrell, Mordialloc. writes in regard to his two cousins. He says:—
One is Mr Edward Hobson, of Swan Hill grazier, who was born at Parramatta,New South Wales, 1814; came to Port
Phillip 1837; one of the oldest pioneers of the Gippsland district. The other is Mr Daniel Main, living at Woodend, who was here with his father- Mr.J.P. Main, in 1837. Mr J. P. Main had a station, the homestead of which was on the creek at Flemington, in the present Royal Park, and ran from there to Keilor. He was also a contractor and builder. He built the first Customs House, the first Gaol,the first Union Bank, the first powder
magazine on Batman's Hill; also the old Prince's Bridge across the Yarra. Although I have many times seen Mr
Lenix's (Lennox's?)name mentioned as the builder. but all old colonists know Mr J. P.Main to be the contractor.
As to myself, I think I can claim to belong to one of the oldest and largest families in Australia,my mother being a native of New South Wales, born 1802, and died at Launceston 1896, being in her 94th year, leaving behind her something like 300 children,grand, and great-grand children to the fourth generation, now living in the colonies. My father, born in England 1801, came to Sydney 1803, with his father. Dr.Edward Luttrell, M.D., colonial surgeon-general. who brought his wife and family out with him at that time, and lived at Parramatta till 1814, when he went to Hobart to take charge of hospital, and died at Hobart 1824. I have a brother
living. born Hobart 1824, and a brother and sister, born In the twenties, still living. I have seen William Buckley, the wild white man. spoken of by Mr L. M.Daniel, scores of times, and his wife also.
(Extract from reader contributions,P.3,The Herald, 17-12-1900.)
As other contributions may be of value, here's the link:
THE OLDEST COLONIST
When I started researching Tullamarine's history in August 1988, I was lucky that due to the help of Gordon Henwood and John Fenton, I had a list of 10 descendants of the pioneers and was able to collect fabulous anecdotes and other information subsequently confirmed on trove. One of the pioneers I discovered in previously published local histories was J.P.Main, a photo of the area near Main's bridge at Flemington even gracing the cover of THE STOPOVER THAT STAYED by Grant Aldous.
I don't know whether I'll ever be able to verify the claim made in the above article that his run extended from Royal Park to Keilor but it is likely that the stone for his building was obtained from Main's Station, section 12 of the parish of Doutta Galla, bounded by today's Buckley St, Rachelle Rd, an eastern extension of Clarks Rd and Hoffmans Rd. My extensive titles research, including the wording (unfortunately not a scan) of J.P.Main's grant, can be provided to descendants of J.P.Main if they private message me on family tree circles providing an email address and name. The link for the parish map is:
DOUTTA GALLA
I had no such list of pioneers, but had read every local history of the Mornington Peninsula's west coast, when I decided to fill some of the gaps in mid 2010. One of the first pioneers I'd seen mentioned was Edward William Hobson. The impression that I'd gained was that he was firstly at Kangerong and before Hugh Jamieson bought his special survey had moved to Tootgarook and that he occupied the run until he transferred it to James Purves (pronounced Purvis) in 1850. I've found no proof that his original run was both north and south of Arthurs Seat but there's certainly some dodgy information on trove such as that Kangerong was also called Tootgarook and White Cliff and that Robert Jamieson of Cape Schanck bought Jamieson's Special Survey.
Kidding I wasn't excited when I read THE RIVER OF LITTLE FISH, which proved that somebody else had to have been on Tootgarook for much of the 1840's, and that proved to have been George Smith. It was while trying to find out more about George that I discovered Marie Hansen Fels' I SUCCEEDED ONCE. Marie came to the following conclusions: that the so called Mrs Smith who nursed Sarah Ann Cain (little girl lost)back to health was the mother of Edward and Edmund Hobson who never married George, with her surname being given as Luttrell when she died; and that Wooloowoolooboolook (George McCrae's spelling),where the child was taken,was not a run but the name that George had bestowed on the Tootgarook homestead.
The mention that Edward William Hobson's wife was of French extraction aroused my curiosity and I found gold. As soon as I saw her maiden name, I remembered Marie having mentioned it.
THE MARRIAGE RECORD.(VICTORIAN BDM)
EventMarriage Event registration number3831 Registration year1846
Personal information
Family nameHOBSON Given namesEdward William SexMale Spouse's family nameNAPPER Spouse's given namesMarie Anne Martha Celine Helena
The genealogical information (years and places of birth and death) given by Edward William Hobson's cousin should save considerable time being wasted looking vainly in the wrong records.
My poem, written this morning and sourced almost entirely from trove fills a gap in Edward William Hobson's biography from 1855 by which time he'd sold the "Rosebud" to James Purves, and perhaps explains why he left his wife at Brighton and went so far away (Queensland) from those who knew and respected him.
THE FIRST LESSEE OF TOOTGAROOK
AFTER FIVE YEARS, OFF TO GIPPSLAND TOOK
AND NAMED HIS BROTHER EDMUND'S RUN
AT THE RIVER OF LITTLE FISH "TRA-RAL-GON"
IN APRIL 1850 GEORGE SMITH TRANSFERRED TOOT BACK TO HIM
BY DECEMBER HE'D TRANSFERRED IT TO THE GRANTEE, JIM.
BY '54 HE'D BECOME THE ROSEBUD'S SOLE OWNER
BUT HE SOLD WITHIN A YEAR TO JIM AND BECAME A LONER.
FEW MENTIONS OF HIM IN PAPERS COULD BE FOUND
AND PURVES COLLECTED THE INSURANCE , 700 POUND.
EDWARD'S BIOGS MENTIONED DROVING IN THE NORTHERN STRAND
AND THEN HE GOT HIMSELF SOME SWAN HILL LAND.
BUT WAS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER HAWTHORN (OR KEW)
WHICH WERE PART OF HIS STORY- TRUE!
HE WAS MADE A MAGISTRATE;
A COW AND A PURVIS CHEQUE SEALED HIS FATE.
IN 1862 CAME THE TRAGEDY
AND HE SPENT THREE YEARS AS A GUEST OF HER MAJESTY.
SOURCES.
https://www.traralgonhistory.asn.au/rolf/chapter1.htm
WHITE CLIFFS-Pastoral Runs.
Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/154864046 (etc.)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/6480412
ROSEBUD IN 1855 (MORNINGTON PENINSULA, VIC., AUST.)
ROSEBUD IN 1855
This map shows early selectors on portion of the former Tootgarook run which was generally called section A of the parish of Wannaeue but the part of the run on the McCrae foreshore which George Smith ceded to Andrew McCrae’s Arthurs Seat run was later referred to as “No Section “.
Smith must have ceded the area to McCrae (as stated by Marie Hansen Fels in I SUCCEEDED ONCE) before mid 1850 when he transferred Tootgarook to Edward William Hobson. The description of McCrae's run in December 1850 and December 1848 has the following addendum (in bold type) which was the area ceded:
No. 208.
Andrew Murison M'Crae.
Name of run, Arthur's Seat.
Estimated area 21,300 acres.
Estimated grazing capability, 300 head of cattle.
On the north by Jamieson's special survey four miles, on the west by the coast line of the Bay to the nose of the mountain called St. Anthony's Nose,from thence along the Cape Schanck road to the Drumdrumallock Creek,
being a boundary line with Mr Purves,ETC.;also that piece of land between the Cape Schanck road and the sea, commencing near the rocks on the point known as St. Anthony's Nose, and ending at the creek* at the junction of the Point Nepean and Cape Schanck roads, nearly opposite the end of the paddock fence.
*Adams Creek, which virtually followed the course of The Avenue, the boundary between the Arthurs Seat Run and Portion 20 Wannaeue.
Part of the Parish of Wannaeue near the Village Reserve of Dromana ...
ROSEBUD 1855
N.B. For some reason, the link to the map does not work. To access the map, paste Part of the Parish of Wannaeue near the Village Reserve of Dromana ...into your search bar.
The parish of Wannaeue extended east to Mornington-Flinders Rd, where it adjoined the parish of Balnarring, west to Government Rd/Weeroona St, Rye where it adjoined the parish of Nepean and south to Limestone Rd where it adjoined the parish of Fingal. This map was drawn on 1-7-1855 shortly after JAMES PURVES' "Rosebud", insured for 700 pounds, was stranded on the foreshore.
Although no section boundaries are shown on any Wannaeue parish maps, it is clear that section A comprised the Tootgarook run and section B the Arthurs Seat run. The latter was originally south of the road to Cape Schanck but George Smith ceded the McCrae foreshore, originally part of the Tootgarook run, to Andrew Murchison McCrae before his visit to California with his young aboriginal friend, Johnny, (who died soon after their return and was buried near the lighthouse by young George McCrae,) Dr Tweedale's grant may not have not been part of Tootgarook but was called Crown portion 1 of section A. Dr Tweedale was the head of the Quarantine Station at the Heads.
PORTION 20.
Georgiana McCrae had good reason to fear that her homestead block would be swallowed by the planned township of Dromana but crown portion 20 Wannaeue (the WANNAEUE VILLAGE RESERVE) was not alienated until the mid 1870's. As coastal access around Anthony's Nose was only on the beach until 1866 when Ned Williams was said to have carved a road, this land was probably leased to Captain Henry Everest Adams. By sheer coincidence portion 19 was selected by Isaac White of whom nothing is known except that he had the greatest affection for the wife of Henry Everest Adams (expressed in an indenture between Isaac and the Captain re a property near South Melbourne found in Harvey Marshall's scrapbook.)
Portion 20 was between The Avenue and the line of Parkmore Rd. Isaac White's portion 19 extended west to Adams Avenue, and by the first Kangerong Road Board assessment of 1864 was occupied and probably owned by Captain Adams.
Two tracks join in portion 20, both indicating how much of a barrier the Rocks presented to coastal travel, The early Dromana Township maps show tracks whose general course was like Latrobe Parade, heading uphill just before the tea tree swamp (below the present bowls club) to access the back road (Palmerston Avenue/ today's freeway.
The track between this THREE CHAIN ROAD and portion 20 may have been made by travellers calling in for a chat, to have a horse shoed or perhaps to sample the Vivyan Vineyard produce if such was available by 1855.
The track from the beach (actually the point where Adams Creek met the coastal track) may have been made by Captain Adams when he reputedly beached his vessel (named) and used its timbers to construct his cottage at Adams Corner in circa 1842 (as claimed in an undocumented submission to council in the early 2000's to have a park in McCrae named after Captain Adams.)The captain may have beached the vessel IN Adams Creek at high tide which would have made it far easier to salvage its timbers to construct the cottage.
The captain may have used the upper track later to access his 36 acres near the Arthurs Seat summit (c/a's 5 and 6, section D, Township of Dromana, heading up Towerhill Rd from Melway 159 F8.)
PORTION 19.
Parkmore Rd indicates the boundary between portions 20 and 19 and this boundary would have met the back road at the end of Surrey St in Melway 170 H1. On the map at this point is shown a strange double creek crossing the two branches rejoining on the coastal side of the road to feed a waterhole. Today, that waterhole has become the un-named reserve between Woodvale Grove and Surrey St.
The double crossing of what was called the Hobson's Flat road caused a huge dispute between Back Road Bob Cairns who was on the uphill side of the road and Robert Henry Adams, on the coastal side, in the first decade of the 1900's. Poor William Hobley was caught in the middle of this dispute and may have moved to Leongatha to escape the unpleasantness and false accusations*. Surely crossings 1 and 2 would be those shown on the map.
* https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65837598
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65837643
The subdivision of portion 19 (Albert Holloway's PARKMORE etc) will be discussed in a separate mini history.
PORTION 18.
Portion 18 was purchased from the grantee by Charles Blakey, poundkeeper and grantee in section 6 Yuroke at Somerton. He subdivided the land and Jack Jones whose store on his foreshore block (later George Fountain's THE PINES) had been burnt down seems to have been the only buyer, his two acres on the FJ's corner being described as lot 86 and shown in a sketch of title on a memorial in Harvey Marshall's scrapbook recording a loan obtained from Captain Adams by William Edwards.
In 1874, Blakey's executors put the remaining 150 acres up for sale and portion 18 was sold to Robert White junior. He sold it to the Lake brothers in 1888 after the death of his first wife and moved to John Moore's 27 acre "Glenferrie" on the north corner of White Hill and McIlroy Rds at Red Hill, (where he was called Blooming Bob White to distinguish him from his nephew, Bullocky Bob White A.K.A. Robert James.) Here his children who had been among Rosebud State School's first pupils were cared for by his late wife's sister, Hadassah Hillis, who in 1999 became his second wife
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Jack Jones had built a store on lot 86 in about 1884 and the Lake Brothers tried unsuccessfully to have him evicted in 1889. The rest of the story of the 150 acre farm is told in the chapter HENRY POTTON'S FARM in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD including the two suicides of De Garis, the developer of the HEART OF ROSEBUD ESTATE. The historic sites and street names on portion 20 will be discussed in another mini history.
On the map a very prominent waterhole is shown just west of the line of Adams Avenue, the eastern boundary of portion 18. The site of the waterhole is today's Lawson Park,(170 F1) accessed from Mark St by the appropriately-named Adams Lane (which I have never noticed before!)
CROWN PORTION 17.
Crown portion 17, extending from Jetty Rd to the line of Norm Clark Walk was the true heart of Rosebud. Robert Glover seems to have bought his co-grantee out, possibly after it was advertised for sale in 1857; it seemed to be a working farm with a homestead.*
* https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7145537
"TUESDAY, 10th MARCH.
Parish of Wannaeue, Arthurs Seat. 129 Acres.
Four roomed Cottage, Men's Huts,etc."
On 3-9-1864, the property had a net annual value of 6 pounds 10 shillings. By 2-9-1865 it was owned by Woolcott, the value of the 129 acres unchanged. On 31-7-1892, he was assessed on 120 acres and 84 acres on 25-7-1896. The unsold portion of the estate still consisted of 84 acres when W.F.Vale, agent, Melbourne was assessed on it in 1910.
William Gomm, grantee of c/a 13 Rosebud Fishing Village and son of a convict had apparently leased part of the 129 acres in 1876 but it had obviously been subdivided by R.R.Woolcott by 1878, when, with the aid of a loan from Nelson Rudduck of Dromana, George and Susan Peatey bought lot 76 on the south corner of Jetty Rd and McDowell St, today surrounded by Netherby and consisting of 2 acres, occupying the block in about 1888 when the loan had been repaid.
Daniel Coyle (a grantee in the fishing village) and his wife, known to oldtimers as Granny Coyle were early shopkeepers at Rosebud before moving to Mordialloc BUT THE SHOP MAY HAVE BEEN ON THEIR ROSEBUD FISHING VILLAGE BLOCK, crown allotment 10, immediately east of today's Banksia Point apartment/cafe development, RATHER THAN ON PORTION 17.
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The school started in the Mechanics' Institute which proved unsatisfactory and land in Woolcott's subdivision was purchased to erect a school and teacher's residence as detailed in Peter Wilson's book. It was at the school that the post office started in 1889 and it remained on portion 17 until about 1996.
In summary, this is where Rosebud people posted and picked up their mail.
1. PRE-1889. Loose bag at lighthouse (with keepers' mail.)
2. School. Slot cut in residence wall.(1889.)
3. Louis Anderson's store on lot 42, c/a 17,Wannaeue,near Peebles site 1890-1897)
4. School hole in wall 1897-1901.
5. John Roberts family's P.O. 1901-1919 on lot 42 as above, last postmaster being Percy Ditchburn.
6. Rudduck's store 75 metres to the west with William C. Twyford as first postmaster there in 1920, a Rudduck son in law and Roy Cairns probably before the store was destroyed by fire.
6A. Rudduck store rebuilt quickly on larger scale and bought by Edwin James Wheeler in 1923. Site occupied present numbers 1039,1040, 1043 and 1045, the post office being in No.1045. Wheeler sold to Stephens in 1929 but retained the post office and possibly 1043.
7. Mr Wheeler transferred the post office to a new building at 1047 in February 1937. He retired in March 1946 and his son,Geoff, was appointed postmaster.
8. On July 4,1951, it was reported that the new site for the post office, at 1003 Pt. Nepean Rd,with a frontage of 83 feet,had been completed.
9. Rosebud Plaza (formerly Port Phillip Plaza) P.O. 1996? (This is the approximate date given for the closure of the Rosebud West P.O.)
The above information was provided by Peter Wilson in a local paper accessed in Mick Dark's collection.
Information about Robert McDowell and some street names will be included in another mini history.
ROSEBUD LAGOON.
A feature of Rosebud in the old days that can be seen on the map, mainly in portion 17 but extending slightly into portion 16 was the Rosebud Lagoon. It was drained so that Spray St could be constructed.
CROWN PORTIONS 16 AND 15.
Crown portions 16 (west to Fifth Avenue) and 15(west to First Avenue) became the Clacton on Sea Estate in 1909. In 1864, Hugh Glass, grantee of crown portion 14 owned crown portion 16 as well. Glass became insolvent and it is impossible to ascertain from rate records who occupied portions 15 and 16 until 1909 when it was bought by a reputedly American company.
Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD devotes a chapter to the estate but most of the information relates to gimmicks to promote sales and land that owners forfeited due to unpaid rates which the shire developed quite recently with Clacton Divide connecting its east and west ends. Most of the land that did sell was naturally near the beach. In the last assessment available on microfiche, that of 1919-20 W.H.Ritchie of Box Hill and Peter Percival, Mrs A.J.Ross, Arthur Smith, Mrs K. Tute, W.L.Twyford and Walter G.Uridge, all of Rosebud, were assessed on land containing buildings, with net annual values above 10 pounds.
Arthur Smith may have been A.J.Smith, president of the Mechanics' Institute who illegally detained the Methodist Church's organ in 1903.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/67084789
Mrs Katherine Tute and her husband owned much land between Waterfall and Duells Rds and Mrs Tute, whose husband was a P.O.W. in W.W.1, made Ewart Brindle of Dromana promise to continue his art in America.
The second 1909 article illustrates what a fib was told in the first about the Clacton on Sea estate.
600 blocks sold in 2 weeks?
History of Clacton on Sea land
The second article also shows that W.F.Vale had owned crown portion 15 of 101 acres 1 rood and 8 perches and the Freehold Investment Company portion 16 of 115 acres exactly (as on the 1855 map and my much later parish map!), not 116 a.2 r. 2 p. and 102 acres as stated in the article. The investment company had also owned 29 acres that became part of Eleanor Rigg's Hindhope at about the same time. See Portion 14.
Everyone loves winning a prize but the Limerick winner thought his was a dud.
scrubby black sand about a mile from the beach
CROWN PORTION 14.
Crown portion 14 between First Avenue and Boneo Rd was sold off in portions of 19,19, 20, 20 and 16 acres when the Grantee, Hugh Glass, became insolvent.
The first two bits were eventually combined by Greg and Eleanor Rigg and went south to include 50 First Avenue and all Hope St house blocks.They retained the name bestowed on half of the property prior to 1900 by Oswald Randall. Hindhope Villa at 50 First Avenue was probably 117 years old when it was demolished in 2017! Subdivision of the property commenced after John McComb of Carrum (Seaford) had leased it for a year. McCombe St was supposed to be named after him but the surveyor engaged by developer, Arthur Alfred THOMAS who bought Hindhope on 23-1-1914, got the spelling wrong. Hindhope Villa was bought by Alexander Mackie Younger whose first wife stupidly shot herself just after she'd bought him a huge portion of the estate, whose second wife left him during their honeymoon because he'd installed a maid who, surprise, surprise, became his third wife.
The 16 acre portion was owned by (John?) Freeman and was combined with the two 20 acre blocks by Ramsay and Nora Couper to form a property that became known as The Thicket. It was later owned by Alf Rawlings and today is easily recognised by Warranella Avenue and the streets such as The Drive which connect it with the Government roads.
It was subdivided as the Rosebud Park Estate about two years* after Nora Couper died at Box Hill.
COUPER.-On the 1st . January, 1925, at her residence, 64 Station street. Box Hill, Nora, the dearly beloved wife of Ramsay Couper, and fondly loved mother of Sybil, Evelyn (Mrs.Jamieson), and Guy late of Rosebud, Dromana.
(P.1, Argus, 2-1-1925.)
ROSEBUD PARK ESTATE
Nora's daughter Evelyn had married George Edward Jamieson in 1915. He was a son of William Jamieson, grantee of the Rosebud Fishing Village block between the Jetty's Cafe and Mechanics' Institute sites.
EventBirth Event registration number17123 Registration year1885
Personal information
Family nameJAMIESON Given namesGeorge Edward SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameAdelaide (Phair) Place of birthDR OM
JOHN COLEMAN'S HISTORY AS TOLD BY HIM IN 1949. TERRIFIC PHOTO OF ONE OF HIS HIGH MARKS.
John Coleman barracked for Collingwood as a child and his brother Albert barracked for South Melbourne.
John played his first competitive game of football for Ascot Vale West State School at the age of 12.
If John's career had been at Richmond it would have been Essendon's own fault. If John had sat out the 1949 season, playing one more year at Hastings with Albert, there would have been a very good chance that both brothers would have played for the Tigers. Richmond certainly wanted Albert (and John of course!) John stated that Albert was a better footballer than he was.
It is almost certain that those who have read the recent biography of John Coleman will find much other information, not included in that splendid work, in this 1949 article.
JOHN COLEMAN'S HISTORY AS TOLD BY HIM IN 1949.
See also:
ALBERT COLEMAN'S BROTHER, HASTINGS' DEADSHOT JACK ...
www.familytreecircles.com/albert-coleman-s-brother-deadshot-jack-60303.html
Although John and Albert's mother only arrived in the Hastings district in 1943, the Colemans were linked by Albert's future wife, Joy, with much of the area's long history.
ALBERT'S WIFE
MORE ABOUT JOHN COLEMAN from an email to Lance Hodgins (secretary of the Hastings Historical Society) who had sent me a photo of the Hastings team, premiers in the Mornington Peninsula Social Football League in 1945.
Many state that John Coleman was the best full forward ever born but according to VICTORIAN BDM, like Albert, he wasn't born at all! At least there's a death record.
EventDeathEvent registration number8697Registration year1973
Personal information
Family nameCOLEMANGiven namesJohn DouglasSexMaleFather's nameCOLEMAN Albert ErnestMother's nameElla Elizabeth (Matthews)Place of birthPort FairyPlace of deathDromanaAge44
Essendon supporters waited and waited for the next John Coleman and several, such as John Towner, Terry Rodgers, Ted Fordham and Geoff Blethyn offered some sort of hope. Chris Goullet, son of John's daughter, Jenny, seemed to offer hope but as he admitted himself, he lacked his grandfather's spring. However the legends of the Essendon Football Club still flocked to him at club functions because he was the grandson of the great John Coleman!
John Coleman's last game was actually on the tiny University High School oval in Parkville when he played for the Old Boys in the annual match against the school team*. I was among the huge crowd of students,old boys and gals, staff, parents and blow ins, which was disappointed in the hope of seeing at least one more spectacular mark.
*
Club History | UHS VU Football Club
UNI HIGH OLD BOYS'F.C.HISTORY
"Wal Johnson: Patron
Wal must go down as the staunchest Clubman/supporter the Old Boys has had. From his own words he is “the ancient you see posting up wrong scores at home games”. This particular “job” he acquired a half a century ago, from Howard Toyne who was absent at a bike meet! Wal calculates he has played in or witnessed about 1500 games, following the fortunes of 3000 or so players. Wal, an Old Boy of the School, first played in 1937 with the juniors. After being a member of the services in WWII, Wal returned home and to his beloved UHSOB in 1948.
His last game of football was in the School versus Old Boys game, coincidentally, the last game of the great John Coleman."
DID EDWARD LATROBE BATEMAN DESIGN THE BARRAGUNDA HOMESTEAD AT CAPE SCHANCK, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA?
Edward Latrobe Bateman was a cousin of Governor Latrobe, the grantee of crown allotment 9A Fingal and painted a picture (available online*) of the original Barker homestead near Cape Schanck. He is acknowledged as the architect of Professor Hearn's "Heronswood" at Dromana but doubt has been expressed that he designed "Barragunda" at Cape Schanck- with a concession made that he might have designed the interior. The following statement obviously resulted from a conversation with Robert Stirling Anderson of Barragunda soon after the house was built and leaves no doubt about who designed it.
* ORIGINAL CAPE SCHANCK HOMESTEAD
As pointed out in 1902, the second Barker homestead near Flinders, became Clondrisse.
COOKE'S CLONDRISSE
Illustrated Australian News for Home Readers Saturday 20 May 1871 p 103 Article
Others visit Mr. Anderson in his beautiful Gothic home at Burraguntha, (Barragunda) where they are hospitably entertained by the worthy host and his lady, and after dinner shown through the grounds and garden. The house is truly a pretty place, fashioned from the limestone of the district — a gem of E.L. Bateman's own creation.
KANGAROOING AND CAPE SCHANCK
The Fingal Parish map
shows that much of the land near Cape Schanck was granted to Godfrey Howitt by mid 1866, the year in which Robert Anderson married his daughter, just five years before the above hunt took place.
EventMarriage Event registration number2825 Registration year1866
Personal information
Family nameANDERSON Given namesRobert SexUnknown Spouse's family nameHOWITT Spouse's given namesEdith Mary
ANDERSON—HOWITT.-On the 11th inst., at the residence of the bride's father, by the Rev. Mr. Hetherington, Robert Anderson, Cape Schanck, son of Thomas Anderson, Esq., Knowhead, Ayrshire, to Edith Mary, only daughter of Godfrey Howitt, Esq., M.D., Melbourne. No cards. (P.4, Argus,13-8-1866.)
Barragunda was first mentioned in 1867.
ANDERSON.—On the 17th inst., at Barragunda, Cape Schanck, the wife of Robert Anderson, Esq., of a daughter.
The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) Saturday 22 June 1867 p 28 Family Notices
Although the following is chiefly concerned with Bateman's art and his relationships with the Howitts and Georgiana McCrae, it also seems to agree that Barragunda was "a gem of E.L. Bateman's own creation."
E.L.BATEMAN
To William Howitt, arriving in treeless, dusty Melbourne, his brother Godfrey’s house and garden seemed a tranquil and fragrant oasis. So too was his Cape Schanck house Barragunda, designed and completed by Edward La Trobe Bateman before his departure from the colony in 1869.
(P.4, Argus, 27-6-1867.)
Georgiana McCrae is the source of the claim that Bateman only decorated Barragunda.
Victorian Heritage Register VHR H0615
In attempting to discover what Georgiana had actually written about Bateman's involvement, I stumbled upon this fantastic thesis, which although it doesn't focus on the mansion's design, has far more detail about the Howitts, Bateman etc. than appears in biographies and a huge number of illustrations of the art produced at Cape Schanck and Godfrey Howitt's house and garden in Melbourne. Bateman's return home was due to his injured hand.
THESIS.
It was fortunate that the Howitts discarded the Quaker distaste for "Papish" Art and Robert Anderson continued their fostering of it.