itellya on FamilyTreeCircles - journals

itellya on Family Tree Circles

sort: Date Alphabetical
view: full | list

Journals and Posts


DANIEL BATMAN, AUSTRALIAN ATHLETE, WAS NOT A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF VICTORIAN PIONEER, JOHN BATMAN.

DANIEL BATMANcould not have been a direct descendant of John Batman unless he changed his surname to Batman by deed poll. He may well have been a descendant of one of John Batman's four brothers. John Batman only had one son, who drowned as a boy in 1845.

The above biography gives a source for the claim but that source does not give a source for its claim.

This is from the John Batman Wikipedia page.

Australian sprinter Daniel Batman was a direct descendant of John Batman.[28]

28. Jacquelin Magnay (5 March 2005). "Brat's all folks: sprint ace Batman comes of age". Sydney Morning Herald.

The portion of the article that supposedly proves that Daniel was a direct descendant of John Batman.
He is particularly proud that his direct ancestor, John Batman, who helped found Melbourne, was the first politician to sign a treaty with the Aborigines.

"My relative from seven generations ago is the only one who has signed with the Australian indigenous people, yet in Canada there are 250 such treaties," he said. "Just knowing that, which made me feel sad, brought me closer to Nova."


All that this proves is that Daniel thought he was a direct descendant.

Let's see what John Batman's biography says about John Batman's descendants IN AUSTRALIA.
The case dragged on through chancery, months after Batman's son was drowned in 1845.

A contemporary portrait of Batman seems to survive in a photograph at the State Library, Melbourne. His only Australian descendants derive from Mrs Weire. His fifth daughter, Ellen, died young; but the others made reasonable, and, three of them fruitful, marriages: Maria, first with John McKinney, tide-waiter (d.1841); Lucy with Joseph Lomas of Craigieburn; Eliza with William Collyer, squatter; Adelaide with John, his brother, and, as a widow, with William Bertram, Scotland; Pelonamena with Daniel Bunce.


Wikipedia is very big on citations being supplied for statements made, but the example given above is absolutely useless and may have led to Daniel's incorrect belief about his ancestry. Now Daniel's false belief appears so frequently on the internet, including in a Wiki page for children, that this fiction could become accepted fact; hence this journal.

John Pascoe Fawkner said that he was unable to accompany his party to Port Phillip because of sea sickness. Instead of just blindly quoting this, C.P.Billot uncovered the facts behind his disembarkation at Georgetown for his THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER. Jacquelin Magnay was obviously a sports reporter and validating the claim about Daniel's ancestry would have been the last thing on her mind. How then could the Wikipedia administrators have considered her article to be sufficient proof of Daniel's claim?

I have just about proved that John Batman's daughter, Ellen, who died aged 20 in 1851 at Greenhills (now Toolern Vale) was the one buried in the historic grave there*. Conclusive proof could only be provided by exhumation and DNA comparisons with Weire descendants. My efforts will have been wasted if Batman history becomes tainted with mythology.
*See THE GRAVE AT TOOLERN VALE

JOHN MOORE COLE AIREY'S DEATH WOULD HAVE BEEN A MYSTERY BUT FOR FAMILY TREE CIRCLES.

J.M.C.AIREY

David Patullo's "Craigbank" on Wildwood Rd, Bulla included part of a paddock known as Airey's, crown allotment 5B Bulla Bulla of 319 acres through which the road runs to the Martin Dillon bridge from St John's lane.

In researching Craigbank in the titles office, I had written "Application 39872 (Maurice Quinlan 1912) tells us that John Moore Cole Airey, the grantee of 5B, became Viconde De Airey of Portugal and died in Lisbon on 17-7-1893." I included this in my PATULLO journal to which I have been referring this morning and when I discovered this information, I wondered if it had previously been published. It apparently hadn't because my journal was given as the source.

AND none of my journals would probably been published if not for the magnificent SCOTT JANGRO!
THANK YOU FOR FAMILY TREE CIRCLES, SCOTT!

Thank you also to ngairedith whose offer to help reinstate the text of THE PATULLO PIONEERS NEAR BULLA AND SOMERTON, VIC., AUST. led me to edit the journal, removing some speculation and repetition before I sent it to him. Having done this, I added some information about George, another of David's brothers and two PATULLO-GLOVER marriages that probably resulted from Patullo family visits to Mornington's blacksmith, William Alston and his wife Jane (David Patullo's daughter.) As if by magic, the text successfully submitted.

JOHN MOORE COLE AIREY'S BROTHER.
GEORGE SHERBROOKE AIREY
G.S.AIREY'S DEATH.

THE FAMILY OF WALTER CLARK OF "GLENARA", BULLA, VIC., AUST.

EventDeath Event registration number453 Registration year1873
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesWalter SexUnknown Father's nameWalter Mother's nameAgnes (Campbell) Place of birthARGY Place of death Age69

DEATH OF MR.WALTER CLARK.
We regret to have to record the death of Mr. Walter Clark, of Glenara, Deep Creek, who died on Wednesday from the effects of injuries received through being thrown out of his buggy on the previous day. He was driving with his nephew, Mr. John Clark, on Tuesday afternoon, about 4 o'clock, and on going down a rather steep decline, the horse became restive, and commenced kicking. The vehicle was capsized, and the occupants were pitched out. Mr. Walter Clark was thrown down an embankment, and fell upon his head. He was rendered insensible, and was conveyed to his house, which was about a mile distant; Mr. John Clark was bruised and shaken severely, but otherwise escaped without serious injury.

Medical assistance was at once sent for, and a message was despatched for Mr. James,surgeon, of Collins-street, who has been the medical attendant of the family since the departure of Dr. Tracy for Europe. Mr. James arrived about 2 o'clock on Wednesday morning, and found that Mr. Clark was still insensible, suffering from concussion of the brain and other injuries to the head. It was seen that the case must terminate fatally, and although everything was done that science and skill could suggest, no hope was entertained. Mr. Clark remained insensible
till his death, which occurred about 4 o'clock on Wednesday afternoon. Dr.Shields of Sunbury, was also in attendance.

Mr. Clark was a very old colonist, and was very highly respected. He was a wealthy man, and had resided on his estate at Deep Creek, which was in beautiful order, for many years. His wife died a few years ago, but he
has left several young children. He was 67 years of age. and was hale, hearty, and vigorous. The horse which he was driving at the time of the accident was generally a quiet animal, and had been in his possession for some years, but it is supposed that the weight of the vehicle pressing upon it caused it to become restive.
(P.21, The Australasian, 22-3-1873.)

WAS JOHN CLARK, WALTER'S NEPHEW AND SUPERVISOR THE SAME PERSON AS WALTER'S EXECUTOR, JOHN KERR CLARK?
John Clark, Walter's nephew, described as Walter's supervisor in the report of the inquest into Walter's death, stated that Walter "knew that the horse had been given to kicking and bolting."
Another account of the accident calls John Clark Walter's cousin, but given that Walter was described as having arrived in the colony (Victoria) in 1837, the stated relationship could be another mistake. If an application for probate is found, the truth of the relationship may be revealed.

A report of Walter's funeral describes John as Walter's nephew.
"The remains of the late Mr Walter Clark, of Glenara, Deep Creek, were buried in the Presbyterian portion of the Melbourne General Cemetery on Saturday afternoon. They were followed to the grave by a large cortege, comprising many members of Parliament and old colonists. Messrs Walter Clark and Allister Clark (sons of the deceased), John Clark (his nephew), Buchanan, McBride, S.Seddon, T Seddon, and John Dougharty, acted as pall bearers. Services were conducted at the house at Bulla lately occupied by deceased, by the Rev Dr Cairns, and at the cemetery by the Rev. I. Hetherington." (P.5, Argus, 24-3-1873.)

My memory that John was Walter's executor has been confirmed by this advertisement.
Was John Kerr Clark Walter's nephew?

John Kerr Clark married Kate Robertson in 1870 in New South Wales(1) and died there in 1910(2) after having lived in Tasmania (1873-4),before returning to N.S.W. where Alister went to school from 1875, when he acted as guardian of Alister Clark(3). His widow Kate died in South America in 1926.(4) I believe that John Kerr Clark was Walter's nephew, and supervisor at Glenara at the time of Walter's death in 1873.Unfortunately no children were born in Victoria to John Kerr and Kate Clark in 1873 to absolutely confirm that John Kerr Clark was the nephew/supervisor of 1873.
(1)Empire (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1875) Thursday 17 February 1870 p 1 Family Notices
(2)The Daily Telegraph (Sydney, NSW : 1883 - 1930) Saturday 24 September 1910 p 12
(3)Table Talk (Melbourne, Vic. : 1885 - 1939) Thursday 30 October 1930 p 13 Article Illustrated
(4)The Daily Telegraph (Sydney, NSW : 1883 - 1930) Saturday 24 July 1926 p 6 Family Notices

Walter death notices reveal nothing about his family members.

WALTER'S WIFE.
EventDeath Event registration number8249 Registration year1865
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesAnnie SexUnknown Father's nameCooper John Mother's nameSarah Wood (Paul) Place of birthBEDF Place of death Age42

CLARK.—On the 16th inst., at Glenara, Deep Creek,Annie, the beloved wife of Walter Clark, Esq., aged 42 years.
(P.4, The Age, 17-10-1965.)

THEIR MARRIAGE.
EventMarriage Event registration number1173 Registration year1857
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesWalter SexMale Spouse's family nameCOOPER Spouse's given namesAnne

On the 20th inst., at St. Kilda, by the Rev. D. Seddon, M.A., uncle of the bride, Walter Clark, Esq., J.P., of Kerarbary, Lower Murrumbidgee, N.S.W., to Annie, youngest daughter of the late John Cooper,Esq., Chinnor, Oxon, England. (P.4, Argus, 22-1-1857.)

THEIR CHILDREN.
1858
EventBirth Event registration number11244 Registration year1858
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesAgnes Elizabeth SexUnknown Father's nameWalter Mother's nameAnnie (Cooper) Place of birthBULLA

BARCLAY—CLARK.—On the 29th ult., at St. Peter's Presbyterian Church, St. Leonards, Sydney, by the Rev. Roger Mackinnon, John Barclay, eldest son of the late Robert Barclay, of Catrine, Ayrshire,Scotland, to Agnes Elizabeth, eldest daughter of the late Walter Clark, of Glenara, Victoria.(P.1, Argus, 11-4-1887.)

BARCLAY — January. 10, 1039. at Potts Point, Agnes Elizabeth Barclay. Aged 80 years.

BARCLAY.— The Relatives and Friends of the late Mrs. AGNES ELIZABETH BARCLAY are invited to attend her Funeral,- to leave St. Peter's Church, North Sydney, THIS DAY, after service, commencing at 3 p.m., for Presbyterian Cemetery, Gore Hill.(The Daily Telegraph (Sydney, NSW : 1931 - 1954) Wednesday 11 January 1939 p 15)

1859.
EventBirth Event registration number18607 Registration year1859
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesWalter Jno SexUnknown Father's nameWalter Mother's nameAnnie (Cooper) Place of birthBULLA

EventMarriage Event registration number6427 Registration year1884
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesWalt. Jno. SexMale Spouse's family nameJOHNSTON* Spouse's given namesMary Euphemia

* Aha, the Craiglee pioneer?

CLARK–JOHNSTON.—On the 7th inst., at Marli,St. Kilda, by the Rev. George Dods, B.D., Walter John Clark, Glenara, Bulla Bulla, to Mary E., youngest daughter of J. Stewart Johnston, St.Kilda.(P.1, Argus, 15-11-1884.)

EventDeath Event registration number22327 Registration year1943
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesWalter John SexMale Father's nameCLARK Walter Mother's nameAnnie (Cooper) Place of birthMELBOURNE Place of deathKYNETON Age84

1861.
EventBirth Event registration number12992 Registration year1861
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesAnnie SexUnknown Father's nameWalter Mother's nameAnnie (Cooper) Place of birthBULLA

CLARK—CLARK. —On the 26th ult., at Beulah, St. Leonards, New South Wales, by the Rev. P. Falconer Mackenzie, Walter Archibald Clark, youngest son of the late James Clark, of Crossbasket, Lanarkshire, Scotland, to Annie, second daughter of the late Walter Clark, of Glenara, Bulla Bulla.
(The Australasian Sketcher with Pen and Pencil (Melbourne, Vic. : 1873 - 1889) Saturday 12 August 1882 p 254)

CLARK.-On 27th inst;, in Scotland, from an affection of the lungs, Annie, wife of Walter Archibald Clark, Crutherland, East Killbride, N.B., and second daughter of the late Walter Clark, of Kerarbury and Glenora (sic, Glenara). (Cable). (The Mercury (Hobart, Tas. : 1860 - 1954) Monday 3 February 1890 p 1)

Identical wording, but with correct spelling of Glenara in:
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Saturday 1 February 1890 p 1 and page 1 of The Age and The Argus of 30-1-1890.

1864.
EventBirth Event registration number951 Registration year1864
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesAlister SexUnknown Father's nameWalter Mother's nameAnnie (Cooper) Place of birthBRIG

Alister Clark (1864-1949), rosarian and sportsman, was born on 26 January 1864 at Brighton, Victoria, second son of Walter Clark and his second wife Annie, née Cooper. Walter Clark, born in Argyllshire, Scotland, in 1803, arrived in Sydney on 23 January 1838 in the Minerva, sponsored by Rev. J. D. Lang. He became a partner with Sir William Macleay in Kerarbury station on the Murrumbidgee River, and made money out of stock during the gold rush. He overlanded stock to Melbourne, took up land at Bulla and built Glenara in 1857.

After Walter Clark was killed at Glenara on 18 March 1873, Alister and his brother and sisters were cared for by a kinsman, John Kerr Clark. Alister was educated in Hobart, at Sydney Grammar School (1877-78) and later at Loretto School in Scotland under the care of relatives. In 1883 he entered Jesus College, Cambridge (B.A., 1886); he was called to the Bar at the Middle Temple on 6 November 1885. He acquired in these years a lifelong interest in plants and flowers.

Clark returned to Australia after graduating and in 1892 for £18,375 he bought Glenara, then 1030 acres (417 ha), from his father's estate. On the ship travelling back from England he had met Edith Mary, daughter of wealthy New Zealander Robert Heaton Rhodes, and they were married at St Mary's Church, Christchurch, New Zealand, on 9 July 1888. They had no children. They maintained a gracious way of life at Glenara where Clark divided his interests between sport and his garden, which he developed as a place of great charm and beauty and as a vast nursery for the propagation of roses and daffodils.

A fine horseman, Clark served as master of Oaklands Hunt Club in 1901-08. He was chairman of the Moonee Valley Racing Club from its foundation in 1917. Although never very wealthy, he raced a few steeplechasers until 1907, with modest success. The Alister Clark Stakes is his memorial at Moonee Valley. He played polo in Melbourne and New Zealand which for many years he visited annually with his wife. He was also a keen golfer, having been introduced to the game at Musselburgh, Scotland.

Clark was best known as a rosarian. He was a foundation member of the National Rose Society of Victoria in 1900 and served as its president. He put great effort and skill into developing new varieties, and his 'Lorraine Lee', 'Black Boy', 'Sunny South', 'Nancy Hayward' and many others were grown throughout Australia; they were highly regarded in the United States of America. He supplied his new varieties without charge to State rose societies for propagation and sale. He won many awards but his greatest triumph was the 1936 Dean Hole Memorial Medal of the National Rose Society (England). His rose garden survives at Glenara and a selection of his roses grows in a memorial garden in Blessington Street, St Kilda.

Clark contributed also to the development of new species of daffodils. In 1948 he received the Peter Barr Memorial Cup from the Royal Horticultural Society (England), of which he was a fellow, and vice-president in 1944-48. He believed his pink daffodil to be the world's first.

Clark was a Bulla shire-councillor for many years until 1910, and served as president several times. He was a trustee of Bulla Presbyterian Church. Very handsome, he won people with his great charm, and he had many friends. At the same time his failings were easily recognized. He was totally impractical. Money meant little to him and he never seriously applied himself to any productive business activity. But this allowed him to grace his long era in a way which would scarcely be possible in a later generation. Survived by his wife, he died at Glenara on 20 January 1949 and was buried in Bulla cemetery, leaving an estate valued for probate at £22,073.
(Australian Dictionary of Biography.)

The Wikipedia entry concentrates only on Alister's rose breeding and doesn't even mention his parents' names.
Balbethan in Oaklands Rd was part of the Glenara Estate and Walter Clark named it Glenalister, a name it retained for about 90 years.

1865.
EventBirth Event registration number20666 Registration year1865
Personal information
Family nameCLARK Given namesJessie Cooper SexUnknown Father's nameWalter Mother's nameAnnie (Cooper) Place of birthBULL

It was a chance discovery of this report of JESSIE'S WEDDING in 1891 that made me realise that although plenty had been written about Walter and his famous son, I had seen very little about the members of the family.

Jessie married the brother of Alister's wife, Edith!
EXTRACT FROM THE REPORT."A pretty wedding took place on the 30th May at St. Mary's Church, Bulla, between Mr. R. Heaton Rhodes, eldest son of the late Mr. R. Heaton Rhodes, of Christchurch, New Zealand, and Miss Jessie Clark, youngest daughter of the late Mr. Walter Clark, of " Glenara," Victoria.

As I doubted that Jessie would have died in Victoria, I tried my old trick of a Google search for MAIDEN SURNAME, GIVEN NAME , MARRIED SURNAME (Clark Jessie Rhodes) and struck gold!
JESSIE COOPER RHODES

1 comment(s), latest 6 days, 20 hours ago

WILLIAM RUTLEDGE, EARLY OVERLANDER AND PIONEER OF KILMORE AND PORT FAIRY, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.

William's biography makes no mention of the Special Survey that he missed out on or the selections he obtained in lieu of his failed application, although passing mention is made to one of these.
WILLIAM'S SELECTION AT BULLA

At the time that I wrote this journal, I didn't think to check if there was a biography about William and had no idea of his prominent role as a Port Fairy pioneer.
WILLIAM'S BIOGRAPHY

His partnership with Benjamin Baxter would be of interest to Baxter descendants. The four brothers that he brought out are named in his biography but there was no detail of the two sisters who accompanied them. Their father was James Rutledge and their mother was Martha, nee Forster.

One of the brothers was Thomas, whose son, William, is the subject of an obituary.
WILLIAM FORSTER RUTLEDGE

THE OVERLANDER'S DEATH RECORD AND OBITUARY.

EventDeath Event registration number7604 Registration year1876
Personal information
Family nameRUTLEDGE Given namesWilliam SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameMartha (Forster) Place of birthCAVA Place of death Age70 Spouse's family nameKIRK Spouse's given namesEliza

HIS BROTHER, RICHARD.
EventDeath Event registration number15922 Registration year1887
Personal information
Family nameRUTLEDGE Given namesRichard SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameMartha (Forster) Place of birth Place of deathWARRN'BOOL Age77 Spouse's family nameDICKINSON Spouse's given namesAlice

HIS BROTHER, LLOYD.
EventDeath Event registration number8357 Registration year1858
Personal information
Family nameRUTLEDGE Given namesLloyd SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameMartha (Unknown) Place of birthCAVA Place of death Age31 Spouse's family nameBENNETT Spouse's given namesIsabella

There are no VICTORIAN BDM death records for Thomas, who remained in N.S.W., John who moved to California, or the two sisters (under the RUTLEDGE surname) so they must have either married or stayed with Thomas.

SPECIAL SURVEYS.
The Overlander's biography made reference to special surveys, such as one containing today's Kilmore, that William had bought. The short-lived scheme of 1841 involved purchases of eight square miles outside the settled district such as Dendy's at the north end of the future parish of Moorabbin and Jamieson's (today's Safety Beach and east to Bulldog Creek Rd.) As the purchase price was paid in London, there was uproar in Port Phillip and the scheme was abandoned. The next Special Survey of which I was aware was William John Turner Clarke's huge one in 1850 so I thought the Rutledge special surveys might actually have been pastoral leases.

However this theory has been dispelled by the 1918 obituary of William's son, Thomas R.(sic)Rutledge (and a Wikipedia article about special surveys*.) The headline was rather careless as the deceased was referred to as T.F.Rutledge in the seventh line!
THOMAS FORSTER RUTLEDGE

EventDeath Event registration number7189 Registration year1918
Personal information
Family nameRUTLEDGE Given namesThos Forster SexUnknown Father's nameRutledge Wm Mother's nameEliza (Kirk) Place of birth Place of deathArm Age73

*1841 SPECIAL SURVEYS

Another 1876 obituary states that William had come to Australia with his uncle, Dr. Forster.
WILLIAM'S UNCLE

It was no surprise that a Thomas Forster Rutledge had married Marion Mildred Manifold but where the wedding took place was a surprise and explains why no marriage record was found on Victorian BDM.

RUTLEDGE—MANIFOLD.— On the 14th October, in England, Lieut. T. Forster Rutledge, Royal Flying Corps, second son of T. F. Rutledge,late of Werronggurt, Warrnambool, to Marian Mildred, eldest daughter of W. Thomson Manifold, of Purrumbete, Weerite, Camperdown. (By Cable.) (P. 61, The Australian, 13-11-1915.)

THE CHILDREN OF "SOMERVILLE" HENRY GOMM AND MARGARET (NEE MONK) OF TODAY'S MENTONE AND SOMERVILLE, VIC., AUST.

I call Henry "Somerville Henry" to distinguish him from Henry Gomm of Rosebud (also his brothers, William and Thomas)and their father whom I refer to as Convict Henry. When Somerville Henry claimed in his 1888 biography to have been born in 1839 and come to the colony in the same year, I suspected that he was trying to conceal something, perhaps that he was the son of Convict Henry. After six months of research, I discovered that he had arrived in 1843 aged 4, and years later I found his obituary*, very detailed and correct! If I'd found the obituary in the first place, Graham Whitehead's fascinating story may never had been written.
TWO DISTINCT GOMM FAMILIES

*The obituary and much detail about the family are included in my MURRAY GOMM journal whose link can be found in the HARRY FALBY GOMM information at the end of this journal.

THIS JOURNAL IS BEING WRITTEN IN PREPARATION FOR A JOURNAL ABOUT SOMERVILLE'S STREET AND PLACE NAMES AND ALSO TO ESTABLISH WHERE THE CHILDREN WERE BORN.

MOORmeans the parish of Moorabbin and a comparison of the parish map
and Melway reveals that it adjoined the parish of Prahran at North Rd, extended from the bay to Warrigal Rd and went all the way south to Ricketts Point and the south end of Warrigal Rd.

FRANKSTON as a place of birth could mean the PARISH OF FRANKSTON, north of Eramosa Rd West, particularly the triangle bounded by Gomms Rd and Frankston Flinders Rd (Melway 107 D11.)

Additional information in bold type comes from my manuscript THE MYSTERIOUS HENRY GOMM, OBTAINED FROM ROOTSWEB.

HENRY AND MARGARET'S MARRIAGE.
EventMarriage Event registration number3735 Registration year1859
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesHenry SexMale Spouse's family nameMONK Spouse's given namesMargaret
17-10-1859 at St. Peter's, Melbourne. Witnesses: Alfred Monk and Fanny Gomm.
-------------------------------------------------------------

THE CHILDREN OF HENRY AND MARGARET.
EventBirth Event registration number17325 Registration year1860
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesGeorge SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthMOOR
Married Amelia Andrews.
Confirmation.
EventMarriage Event registration number8562 Registration year1888
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesGeorge SexMale Spouse's family nameANDREWS Spouse's given namesAmelia

George died in 1937.
EventDeath Event registration number17010 Registration year1937
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesGeorge SexMale Father's nameGOMM Henry Mother's nameMargt (Monk) Place of birth Place of deathSOMERVILLE Age76
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

EventBirth Event registration number13449 Registration year1862
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesUnnamed Male SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthMOOR Ditto.
(It is presumed that this child died soon after birth and that the age (vaguely recorded as 1) means 1 day.
EventDeath Event registration number6247 Registration year1862
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesUnnamed Male SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (U) Place of birthMOOR Place of death Age1)

------------------------------------------------------------------------

EventBirth Event registration number1364 Registration year1864
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesFrances Elizabeth SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthMOOR
Married George Vincent Coate at Ballarat in 1891.
Confirmation.
EventMarriage Event registration number329 Registration year1891
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesFrances Elizth SexFemale Spouse's family nameCOATE Spouse's given namesGeo Vincent

Frances died in 1940.
EventDeath Event registration number3285 Registration year1940
Personal information
Family nameCOATE Given namesFrances Elizabeth SexFemale Father's nameGOMM Henry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthCHELTENHAM VICTORIA Place of deathIVANHOE Age75
--------------------------------------------------------------------

EventBirth Event registration number23996 Registration year1866
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesMinnie SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthFRANKSTON
Married George Edward Shepherd. Death/burial 30-8-1955, St Kilda.
Confirmation.
EventMarriage Event registration number5840 Registration year1885
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesMinnie Ann SexFemale Spouse's family nameSHEPHERD Spouse's given namesGeorge Edward

EventDeath Event registration number9957 Registration year1955
Personal information
Family nameSHEPHERD Given namesMinnie Ann SexFemale Father's nameGOMM Henry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthSOMERVILLE Place of deathST KILDA EAST Age89
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

EventBirth Event registration number14811 Registration year1869
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesHenry Ernest SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthCOLL'WOOD
I was unfamiliar with this name so I checked if he'd died young . The age,1, could mean a day or a month. EventDeath Event registration number7913 Registration year1869
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesHenry Ernest SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthCOLL Place of death Age1
Ditto.
---------------------------------------------------------------

EventBirth Event registration number14543 Registration year1870
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesAngelina May SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthCHEL (Cheltenham!) Died 1952, Victoria.
Confirmation.
EventDeath Event registration number14863 Registration year1952
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesAngelina May SexFemale Father's nameGOMM Henry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthCHELTENHAM Place of deathASCOT VALE Age83
If I remember correctly Angelina died at David and Beatrice Graf's house in Temperance Township, Ascot Vale. My memory WAS correct!
GOMM, Angelina May, - On De-
cember 17, at 19 Bloomfield road,
Ascotvale
, dearly loved daughter of
the late Henry and Margaret Gomm,
of Glenhoya, Somerville, and loved
sister of George (deceased), Harry
(W.A.,) Min (Mrs Shepherd), Fan
(Mrs Coate, deceased) Jess (Mrs
Devlin), Ted, Bert, and Beatrice
(Mrs Graf, deceased), aged 83
years - R. I. P. (P.15, Argus, 18-12-1952.)

An application for probate of Beatrice's will (The Age Thursday 24 July 1952 p 7) gives her late address as 19 Bloomfield Rd.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

EventBirth Event registration number9368 Registration year1873
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesHarry Fallby SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthFRANKSTON MarriedCatherine Rogers at Albany, W.A. in 1900.
Confirmation. See HENRY FALBY GOMM after Victorian BDM records.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

EventBirth Event registration number22982 Registration year1875
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesCharles Edward SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthFRAN Died Chelsea 1960. Married Annie Julia Henderson 1899, Langwarrin.
Confirmation.
EventDeath Event registration number5108 Registration year1960
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesCharles Edward SexMale Father's nameGOMM Henry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthSOMERVILLE Place of deathCHELTENHAM Age84

EventMarriage Event registration number2252 Registration year1899
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesChas Edw SexUnknown Spouse's family nameHENDERSON Spouse's given namesAnnie Julia
--------------------------------------------------------------------

EventBirth Event registration number9193 Registration year1878
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesIsabella Jessie SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthFR AN Married Oliver Percy Devlin in 1901* at Sth. Fitzroy.
Confirmation. The marriage record states 1900 but this could be a typo.
EventMarriage Event registration number6187 Registration year1900
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesIsabella Jessie SexUnknown Spouse's family nameDEVLIN Spouse's given namesOliver Percival

She died in 1958.
EventDeath Event registration number5897 Registration year1958
Personal information
Family nameDEVLIN Given namesIsobel Jessie SexFemale Father's nameGOMM Henry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthSOMERVILLE Place of deathMIDDLE BRIGHTON Age80
------------------------------------------------------------------------

"PADDY"
EventBirth Event registration number15902 Registration year1880
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesWilliam Herbert SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMragaret (Monk) Place of birthFRANKSTON
Married Jean Firth 1915, Victoria.
Confirmation.
EventMarriage Event registration number10026 Registration year1915
Personal information
Family nameFIRTH Given namesJean SexUnknown Spouse's family nameGOMM Spouse's given namesWm Herbt

From my Murray Gomm journal (link below.)
Murray's grandfather was generally known as Paddy but also sometimes as Herb.
The wedding of Mr Wm Herbert (Paddy) Gomm, 'Glenhoya,' Somerville, to Jean, eldest daughter of the late Wm Firth and Mrs Firth*. 'Orkney Farm.' Somerville, was quiety celebrated at St Anslem's Church of England, Middle Park, on November 20, the Rev A P McFarlane being the officiating clergyman.
(P.2, Dandenong Advertiser and Cranbourne Berwick and Oakleigh Advocate Advertiser, 9-12-1915.)
(*Nee Ann Scott, the first white child (or girl?) born at Somerville.)

Paddy died in 1963.
EventDeath Event registration number12631 Registration year1963
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesWilliam Herbert SexMale Father's nameGOMM Henry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthSomerville Place of deathHastings Age83
----------------------------------------------------------

EventBirth Event registration number16362 Registration year1882
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesBeatrice Ethel SexUnknown Father's nameHenry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthFRAN
Married David George* Graf (born 1872, Shepherd's Flat)in 1909, Victoria.
Confirmation.
EventMarriage Event registration number5706 Registration year1909
Personal information
Family nameGOMM Given namesBeatrice Ethel SexUnknown Spouse's family nameGRAF Spouse's given namesDavid Jno*

The marriage report gives the groom's initial as J, not G.
Wedding. GRAF-GOMM. A wedding of local importance was celebrated quietly at St. Mary's Star of the Sea, West Melbourne, on Wednesday last, the contracting parties being Mr David J. Graf, of Ascot Vale and Miss Beatrice Ethel Gomm, youngest daughter of Mr and Mrs H. Gomm, "Glenhoya" Somerville. The bride, who wore a handsome dress of cream crepe de cheyne, over glace silk, was given away by her brother, Mr C. E.Gomm, Mr W. H. Gomm acting as groomsman. The bridegroom's gifts to the bride were a handsome pearl pendant and beautifully bound prayer book. The happy couple left by the Sydney express for the Blue Mountains where they will spend their honeymoon. The bride's travelling dress was a tailor made costume of Navy blue with wedgewood blue hat. The presents were numerous, many being received from the Victorian railway staff.(P.2, Mornington and Dromana Standard, 14-8-1909.)
Beatrice died in 1952.
EventDeath Event registration number3714 Registration year1952
Personal information
Family nameGRAF Given namesBeatrice Ethel SexFemale Father's nameGOMM Henry Mother's nameMargaret (Monk) Place of birthFRANKSTON Place of deathASCOT VALE Age69

It seems that the rootsweb source had the right birth place for David Graf, Shepherds Flat being between Franklinford and Hepburn Springs on the back road to Dayleford, but the wrong second given name for him. This is definitely the husband of Beatrice.
EventDeath Event registration number4381 Registration year1940
Personal information
Family nameGRAF Given namesDavid John SexMale Father's nameGRAF David Mother's nameJulia (Bell) Place of birthDAYLESFORD VICTORIA Place of deathASCOT VALE Age68

This was probably their first child.
EventDeath Event registration number5846 Registration year1972
Personal information
Family nameGRAF Given namesHenry David SexMale Father's nameGRAF David John Mother's nameBeatrice Ethel (Gomm) Place of birthFlemington Place of deathAscot Vale Age62
##############################################################################################

HARRY FALBY GOMM.
(From comments under my MURRAY GOMM journal.)
Henry's boy who went west.

PARENTS
HENRY THOMAS GOMM b.1838,WHEATLEY OXFORDSHIRE ENGLAND
MARGARET MONK B.1842, BIERTON BUCKINGHAMSHIRE ENGLAND

HARRY FALBY GOMM
born 24 02 1873, FRANKSTON VIC
died 02 02 1962, KALGOORLIE WA

FAMILY LIST
SPOUSE: CATHERINE ROGERS,B 1866, M 1900 ALBANY WA, D 1950.

CHILDREN
HENRY CHAMBERS GOMM,B 1900 ALBANY WA
FRANCIS WILLIAM GOMM, B 1902 ALBANY WA, D 1987
THOMAS FALBY GOMM, B 1904 ALBANY WA, D 1939
CHARLES GORDON GOMM, B 1905,ALBANY WA
JACK M H GOMM, B 1906 PLANTAGENET WA, D 1980
CATHERINE MAY GOMM, B 1908 ALBANY WA

ELECTORAL ROLL
Year Surname First Name Gender Residence Occupation
1903 GOMM HARRY FELBOY M BRUNSWICK ROAD LABOURER
1912 GOMM HARRY F M KALGAN RIVER FARMER
1922 GOMM HARRY FALBY M KALGAN RIVER FARMER

albany wa - Great Southern Pioneers

Harry Falby Gomm's service details from MAPPING OUR ANZACS.
Service number 24526
Place of birth Frankston, VIC, Australia
Place of enlistment Blackboy Hill, WA, Australia
Next of kin Gomm, Catherine (wife)
WWI file B2455, GOMM H F

Harry's great-grandson, Kevin Gomm, has a publishing company called DIGGER PRESS. The website for DIGGER PRESS shows that Kevin looks very similar to our local footy hero. It also reveals that Harry fought in France and Belgium during W.W.1, suffering from the effects of mustard gas. He had earlier served as an armed guardsman at the Princess Royal Fortress at Albany throughout the 1890's.

Harry's second son, Frank (see previous comment)was Kevin's grandfather and was one of the key individuals who oversaw the bringing of the Desert Corps Memorial from Egypt and its erection on Mount Clarence at Albany. Frank was awarded the BRITISH EMPIRE MEDAL for services to Legacy. Kevin's father, Brian was a National Serviceman and a talented pianist. We all know that Darwin was bombed during W.W.2 but it comes as a surprise to me that Western Australian towns suffered air raids too. Drawing on his family traditions, Kevin was an accomplished musician but is now the foremost authority on Western Australia military history relative to W.W.2.

Did the musical talent come from the Gomms?
Gunner Gomm was heard on the local concert platform for the first time in the song "Little Nell," and received a fair share of applause.
(P.3, Albany Advertiser, 4-11-1899.)

The Misses Grant sang a couple of duets very well; Mr H.Gomm doing justice to two very fine songs. (P.2, Mornington Standard, 29-3-1894.CONCERT AT MORNINGTON JUNCTION.)N.B. Mornington Junction had been known as Baxter's Flat until a railway line branched off to Mornington, and is now known as Baxter. Was this Henry, who was extremely deaf by 1899, or Harry, before his departure to the west?

Dance music was also supplied by Mrs Griffiths and Miss Jessie Gomm.
(P.2, Mornington Standard, 7-7-1898.) Mr H.Gomm Snr rendered an item but it was unclear whether he sang or recited. Ted (Charles Edward)certainly sang and Isabella Jessie obviously played an instrument.

So it seems as if military historian,Kevin Gomm, inherited at least part of his musical ability from Somerville genes! The big question now is whether Murray can sing !!!

We know the link between the Gomms of Somerville, Victoria and Albany, Western Australia was Harry Falby Gomm. While trying to find details of Harry's involvement in the council at Albany or an obituary on google, I found details of his son, Thomas Falby Gomm's wedding in 1932 on the outback pioneers website.
WesG - Outback Family History
outbackfamilyhistory.com.au/Miscellany/WesG.htm‎
GOMM Thomas Felby, 1932 Dec 12, Norseman. Methodist Church, HARSLETT Lilian Grace Allen, Ba/Prospector, Albany, Norseman, GOMM Harry Felby/ ...

And then I found that the W.A. branch of the family had its own MURRAY Gomm.
In view of not having found any marital connection with a Murray family, I can only assume that the name was part of the family folklore taken west by Harry. (See after the ORANJE TRACTOR excerpt.)

Oranje Tractor | Our Story
www.oranjetractor.com/OurStory.aspx‎
His story: Murray Gomm. Murray was raised in the Albany region, on a dairy farm and fled, as most school-leavers do, to continue his education in Perth.
His story: Murray Gomm
Murray was raised in the Albany region, on a dairy farm and fled, as most school-leavers do, to continue his education in Perth. Although he studied physical education, most of his work has been in the health promotion field. He has a naturally 'green thumb' which he clearly inherited from his mother, and a penchant for hard work like his father - who is still farming on the adjacent property. Murray is the creative genius of the oranje tractor team: he took the photo of the tractor that's been used on the label, and he developed the name oranje tractor.

THE MURRAY-GOMM CONNECTION?
Harry probably played cricket with the Murray boys.(P.S. note DEVLIN!)
Somerville Railways play Hastings on the ground of the former, whose team will be chosen from the following, Docwra, Barrett, Harboard, Gomm 3, Beauland, Devlin, Rule Murray and Firth. (P.2, Mornington Standard, 4-1-1894.)


While the majority of the Murray grants were on the south side of Mornington-Tyabb Rd between Stumpy Gully and Coolart Rds (14AB, 13, 8A Bittern of 445 acres) and 6A Tyabb (144 acres granted 1875, Melway 107 G8, Inghams site)the following death notice indicates that the Murrays would have been well acquainted with the Gomms outside of sport and possibly great friends. The post office was probably diagonally across the railway crossing from Henry Gomm's Somerville Hotel.

Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Saturday 16 August 1890 Edition: MIRNING. p 2 Family Notices
... Death. MURRAY--On the 7th August, at her residence, Somerville, Elizabeth, the dearly beloved wife of Charles Murray, and only daughter of James Grant, post- master, Somerville. Deeply regretted.

DAME NELLIE MELBA'S FIRST CONCERT WAS NOT AT SORRENTO AS CLAIMED BY GRACE E. CALDWELL IN 1921.

GRACE E. CALDWELL'S CLAIM

From NELLIE MELBA MUSEUM TIMELINE 1880-1899
1884

January 19
Nellie and baby George left Marian and returned to Melbourne (Thompson/McPherson, Melba Important Dates p3.)

May 17
As Mrs Armstrong, Nellie made her professional debut as a concert artist in the Melbourne Town Hall for the Metropolitan Liedertafel.
(Thompson/McPherson, Melba Important Dates p4.)

1885

January 24
Nellie sang at the Grand Concert held in the Mechanics` Institute, Sorrento to raise funds of the cemetery fence. Raised £20.
(Concert program, Nepean Historical Society)

Hopefully the same mistake will not be made regarding Harmony Lee when she achieves the fame she so richly deserves. It won't have been in the Rosebud over 50's concert on 6-9-2018 or the PENINSULA SHOWCASE at the same venue on 4-10-2018 because I'm sure she has performed several times already in public with the Maroondah Choristers.

When I first read Dame Nellie Melba's biographies, my interest had been prompted by Grace Caldwell's letter, but her father's business interests became my main focus. He was indirectly connected to the renaming of Stephen St. in Melbourne* and partly responsible for the decline in demand for Mornington Peninsula lime.
*Exhibition Street, Melbourne
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Opened 1837
Exhibition Street is a major street in the central business district of Melbourne, Australia. The street is named after the International Exhibition held at the Royal Exhibition Building in 1880, and was previously known as Stephen Street from 1837. The street runs roughly north-south and was laid out as part of the original Hoddle Grid.[1]

Surprisingly DAVID MITCHELL'S BIOGRAPHY
makes only passing reference to his involvement in the Lilydale lime industry*.
*CAVE HILL LIMESTONE QUARRY


Last night, I wondered when exactly Nellie had promoted the concert at Sorrento, because Grace had only specified the date by stating that someone was mine host at a Sorrento hotel. On reading Nellie's biographies again, I was struck by her determination to succeed. One thing she hadn't resorted to was busking!

DETERMINATION PLUS!
Given that probably 90% of the population today has no real interest in opera and that those passing by are focussed on other matters, (looking at market stalls, what they need to buy, talking to companions, dodging toddlers, dogs on leads and mobility scooters, finishing their shopping on time etc.), only a handful of today's passers-by would stop and listen to a young opera singer. When that young singer sounds as good as Maria Callas, Joan Sutherland or Yvonne Kenny, surely a more appreciative audience is deserved. It was in April 2018 that I first heard Harmony Lee at Dromana Hub and was amazed at her talent. Thus the idea of a PENINSULA SHOWCASE was born. Four other sensational young buskers will also perform. Hopefully it will persuade Mornington Peninsula Shire to revive the old-time concerts, building community spirit while providing appreciative audiences for young performers of fine music.

HARMONY'S STORY SO FAR

1 comment(s), latest 1 week, 6 days ago

JOHN JOSEPH DEVINE, (and other descendants of Pt. Nepean pioneers, John and William Devine) BURIED AT THE MELBOURNE GENERAL CEMETERY, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.

John and William Devine were early settlers at Point Nepean, and Thomas, their brother died there in 1853. I am currently detailing the children of John and William (many of whom are buried at the Melbourne General Cemetery) in my journal:
GEORGE BAKER AND HIS DEVINE FIRST WIFE

THIS IS JOHN JOSEPH DEVINE'S CEMETERY RECORD.
John Devine
BIRTH 1839
DEATH 10 Dec 1913 (aged 73–74)
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT MGC-RC-Comp-E-No-19
MEMORIAL ID 178769144 · View Source

I was going to add the following details on the cemetery page but this would probably mean having to remember yet another password (which I would forget!)

EventDeath Event registration number13951 Registration year1913
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesJno Jos SexUnknown Father's nameDevine Wm Mother's nameEmma Amelia (Sheridon) Place of birth Place of deathMvern Age73

DEVINE.—On the 9th December, 1913, at the residence of his niece, "Walworth," Valetta street, Malvern, John Joseph Devine, eldest son of the late William Devine, lime merchant, Melbourne, aged 73 years (Interred privately, Melbourne General Cemetery.)

No birth record was found for John on Victorian BDM, which probably indicates that he was born in Ireland.

FROM MY JOURNAL "GEORGE BAKER, LIME MERCHANT INVOLVED NEAR PORT PHILLIP HEADS AND HIS DEVINE FIRST WIFE, VIC., AUST."
My apologies for any repetition and a rather higgledy-piggledy lay-out of the information caused by three different sources providing breakthoughs, namely Victorian BDM, cemetery records and family notices on trove.I hope I have made it clear that Captain Thomas Devine was buried in the stated plot because he was the husband of Amelia Agnes. Which reminds me that I didn't reveal the names of his parents, so I'll do that first. There didn't seem to have been a death notice but at least it is confirmed that the cemetery record is correct regarding his name.

CAPTAIN THOMAS DEVINE.
THE FRIENDS of the late Captain THOMAS DEVINE (of the barque Joannie Oswald) are respectfully Invited to FOLLOW his REMAINS to the place of interment, the Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral will move from his late residence, 28 Peel-street, Hotham. on Friday, at one o'clock p.m.(P.3, The Herald, 23-12-1869.)

EventDeath Event registration number9622 Registration year1869
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesThomas SexUnknown Father's nameTimothy Mother's nameMary (Manning) Place of birthDING Place of death Age38 Spouse's family nameUnknown Spouse's given namesAmelia Agnes

Goodness only knows what DING is supposed to mean!

THE DEVINES
Some information about the Devines has been published in comments.
Victorian BDM shows that both John and William Devine were living at Point Nepean where some of their children's births took place and the maiden names of their wives are given consistently but my main aim at the moment is to find where they afterwards lived so I can find the death records of John, William and their wives. Here's a good start.

JOHN DEVINE'S FAMILY.
DEVINE.—The Friends of the late Miss SARAH DEVINE of Bendigo, daughter of the late John Devine (formerly lime merchant, of this city), are informed that her remains will be interred in the Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral will leave the Spencer-street railway station on arrival of train from Bendigo THIS MORNING, 5th inst., at 9.50. (P.1, Argus, 5-3-1894.)


SARAH'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number681 Registration year1894
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesSarah SexFemale Father's nameJno Mother's nameAnna (Barrel) Place of birth Place of deathBgo Age44

SARAH'S BIRTH WAS REGISTERED TWICE IN MELBOURNE.
The other record gives her mother's names as Honora unknown.
EventBirth Event registration number42666 Registration year1849
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesSarah SexFemale Father's nameDEVINE John Mother's nameHanna (Barry) Place of birthMELBOURNE

MARY DEVINE.
DEVINE.—On the 16th inst., of consumption, at the residence of her mother, 90 George street, Fitzroy, Mary, youngest daughter, of the late Mr. John Devine, lime merchant, aged 17 years.—R.I.P.
(P.15, Advocate, 22-8-1868.)

MARY'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number6096 Registration year1868
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameJohn Mother's nameHannah (Barry) Place of birthMELB Place of death Age17

Mary's birth records both give her name as Mary Anne, her year and place of birth as 1851 Melbourne and her mother as Hannah unknown.

The Funeral of the late Miss MARY DEVINE, youngest daughter of the late Mr. John Devine,lime merchant, will move from the residence of her mother, 90 George-street, Fitzroy, to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery, THIS DAY (Monday), 17th inst., at half-past 2 o'clock p.m. (P.8, Argus, 17-8-1868.)

MARY DEVINE'S CEMETERY RECORD.
Mary Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 16 Aug 1868
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651292 · View Source

JOHN DEVINE'S WIDOW, HANNAH, DIED AT SANDHURST (BENDIGO) IN 1890.
EventDeath Event registration number4548 Registration year1890
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesHannah SexFemale Father's nameBarry Jas Mother's name (Regan) Place of birth Place of deathSandhurst Age66

THE Friends of the late Mrs. HANNAH DEVINE, relict of the late Mr. John Devine, are respectfully invited to follow her remains to the place of interment,Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral to move from Spencer-street on arrival of Sandhurst train at 10.45 a.m. THIS DAY (Tuesday).(P.8, The Age,21-1-1890.)

MELBOURNE GENERAL CEMETERY.
Hannah Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 18 Jan 1890
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651294 · View Source

John Devine (There is no death record for a John Devine in 1855.)
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 13 Feb 1855
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651291 · View Source

John's death in 1855 would account for MRS JOHN DEVINE signing the 1859 petition opposing the fence from White Cliff to the back beach!

Sarah Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 3 Mar 1894
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651295 · View Source

Mary Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 16 Aug 1868
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651292 · View Source

John Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 1 Oct 1898
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651296 · View Source
(Could be John, born in 1847 as his death record (1898 reg. no.17112)gives his age as 51 but his mother was supposedly Mary unknown.Given that he was buried in the same plot, I believe the mother's name was a mistake.)

There were no family notices regarding him but he was supposed to be a former Bendigo resident.
Suddenly.—A man named John Devine, aged 51, said to be an ex-resident of Bendigo, died very suddenly on Saturday at the residence of his brother-in-law, No. 65 Simpson street, East Melbourne. The deceased had been
in ill-health for the last two months, and came to the above address about a fortnight ago. He was not seen by a medical man, and while drinking some wine he suddenly fell back and expired. Dr. T. Boyd was called in, but found that life was extinct. The doctor declined to give a certificate as to the cause of death, and the police were communicated with. A constable removed the body to the city morgue.(P.2, Bendigo Advertiser, 3-10-1898.) No coroner's inquest has been found.

BIRTHS RECORDS (VICTORIA) OF JOHN AND HANNAH'S CHILDREN.
THOMAS 1846 R.N.39180/1416 POINT NEPEAN MOTHER-HANNAH BARRY (died 1882 aged 36 at Sandhurst, REG NO.10005.)
JOHN 1847 R.N. 2626/41803 POINT NEPEAN MOTHER- HANNA UNKNOWN/BARRY
SARAH 1849 R.N.42666/3911 MELBOURNE MOTHER-HANNA BARRY/ HONORA UNKNOWN
SUSANNA 1849 R.N.42667/3912 MELBOURNE MOTHER-HANNA BARRY/HONORA UNKNOWN
MARY ANNE 1851 REG.No.44017/5716 MELBOURNE MOTHER-HANNAH/HANAH UNKNOWN

Thomas Phillip Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 13 Aug 1882
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651293 · View Source

EventDeath Event registration number10005 Registration year1882
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesThos. Philip SexUnknown Father's nameJno. Mother's nameHannah (Barry) Place of birth Place of deathS'HURST Age36

DEVINE. — On the 13th August, at Arnold-street,Sandhurst, Mr. Thomas Devine, eldest son of the late Mr. John Devine, of this city, lime merchant.(P.25, Leader,19-8-1882.)

OTHER CHILDREN FROM DEATH RECORDS.


A THIRD DEVINE BROTHER.
Yesterday, 23rd instant, at his residence, Point Nepean, after a short illness, Mr. Thomas Lewine, much
regretted by his two brothers, William and John Devine, and a numerous circle of friends.
(P.4, Argus, 25-2-1853.)

(It is likely that Thomas was buried in the cemetery near the Quarantine Station.)

As Thomas clearly died at Point Nepean this death record is a perfect example of the fact that the place of death (or birth) in records was where the event was REGISTERED.

EventDeath Event registration number45346 Registration year1853
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesThomas SexMale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathMELBOURNE Age46

WILLIAM DEVINE'S FAMILY.
WILLIAM'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number2337 Registration year1854
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesWilliam SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameWinifred (Mcgarra) Place of birthIRELAND Place of death Age52 Spouse's family nameSHERIDAN Spouse's given namesEmma

On the 2nd inst., at his residence, Cardigan-street,North Melbourne, William Devine, aged 52 years.
(P.4, Argus, 3-4-1854.)

William Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 2 Apr 1854
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651297 · View Source

See the cemetery record of John Joseph Devine below.

See the cemetery records for Amelia Agnes Devine and her husband, Captain Thomas Devine below.


BIRTH RECORDS (VICTORIA)OF WILLIAM AND EMMA DEVINE'S CHILDREN.
AMELIA/ EMILIA, 1845 REG.No.835/38687,POINT NEPEAN, MOTHER-AMELIA/EMILIA SHERIDAN.(Amelia died at Malvern, aged 66 in 1908, reg. no.14265. She was the Amelia Devine who married Captain Thomas Devine in 1860 and became a widow in 1869.
EventDeath Event registration number14265 Registration year1908
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesAmelia Agnes SexUnknown Father's nameDevine Wm Mother's nameAmelia (Sheridan) Place of birth Place of deathMvern Age66
One of their children, Walter Timothy, died at Malvern aged 53 in 1917, reg. no.1990.His death notice mentions his surviving siblings.
DEVINE.- On the 20th February, at "Walworth," Valetta street, Malvern, Walter, beloved husband of Susan Devine, of Barkly street, Brunswick, loving father of Kathleen and Oswald, brother of Helena, Wilham, and Colonel J. H. Devine; second son of the late Captain Thomas and Amelia Devine. (Private interment.)
(P.1, Argus, 22-2-1917.)

Another son,Lieutenant-Colonel John Henry Devine, died at Prahran aged 59 in 1927 aged 59, reg. no.3145.
See his obituary- page 16, Argus, 8-2-1927.
Cemetery record for Amelia Agnes.
Amelia Agnes Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 26 Oct 1908
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651303 · View Source

Captain Thomas Devine was NOT a child of William and Emilia but the HUSBAND of Amelia Agnes.
Capt Thomas Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 22 Dec 1869
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651299 · View Source

As the death of Emilia Devine was not registered (or is not yet entered online)I will have to assume that she was Emilia (nee Sheridan), the widow of William who died in 1854. Here is the cemetery record.

Emilia Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 13 Feb 1855
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 130621539 · View Source

WILLIAM, 1845 R.N.834/38686,POINT NEPEAN, MOTHER- AMELIA/EMILIA SHERIDAN.(No death record with right parents found.)

The reason that no death record had been found is that William died in Brisbane.
DEVINE. — On the 13th July, suddenly, at Brisbane,William Thomas Devine, late of the Victorian Railways.
(P.1, The Age, 16-7-1903.)

I had gone through all the Devine burials at the Melbourne General Cemetery and this one was the very last one. It would have been a very expensive funeral!
William Thomas Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 13 Jul 1903
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651302 · View Source

SARAH 1847
EventBirth Event registration number41753 Registration year1847
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesSarah SexFemale Father's nameDEVINE William Mother's nameEmilia (Sheridan) Place of birthPOINT TESSIN

EventBirth Event registration number2576 Registration year1847
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesSarah SexFemale Father's nameDEVINE William Mother's nameEmilia (Unknown) Place of birthPOINT NEPEAN

OTHER CHILDREN FROM DEATH RECORDS.
EventDeath Event registration number13951 Registration year1913
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesJno Jos SexUnknown Father's nameDevine Wm Mother's nameEmma Amelia (Sheridon) Place of birth Place of deathMvern Age73

DEVINE.—On the 9th December, 1913, at the residence of his niece, "Walworth," Valetta street, Malvern, John Joseph Devine, eldest son of the late William Devine, lime merchant, Melbourne, aged 73 years (Interred privately, Melbourne General Cemetery.)

John Devine
BIRTH 1839
DEATH 10 Dec 1913 (aged 73–74)
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT MGC-RC-Comp-E-No-19
MEMORIAL ID 178769144 · View Source

EventDeath Event registration number1062 Registration year1894
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesWalt Sheridan SexMale Father's nameWm Mother's nameEmily (Sheridan) Place of birth Place of deathCarl N Age42

DEVINE. — On the 9th February, at Lee Cottage, 540 Station street, North Carlton, Walter Sheridan Devine, the beloved husband of Susie Evelyn Devine, and younger son of the late William Devine lime merchant, in his 42nd year. (P.11, Weekly Times, 17-2-1894.)

Walter S Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 9 Feb 1894
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651301 · View Source
Surnames: BAKER BARRY DEVINE McGARRA MINIHON REGAN SHERIDAN WELLS


by itellya on 2018-07-29 00:18:07
THE DEVINES.
There are maps on pages 56 and 57 of C.N.Hollinshed's LIME LAND LEISURE showing "10.Devine Huts" at the south east corner of Pt Nepean Rd and Hemston Avenue (bottom right corner of Melway 156J3) and "15. Devine Bros." at White Cliff (just on the east side of White Cliff, Melway 168 D3.) I had always assumed that the lime kiln standing at that spot was a wholly created replica but it seems possible that the old Devine kiln may have just been tidied up by the removal of many decades of rubbish and maybe the lining of the kiln with bricks. A member of the Rye Rotary and Lions Clubs might be able to shed light on what work was required to create in 1989 what we see today.
https://poi-australia.com.au/points-of-interest/australia/victoria/rye/lime-kiln-rye-foreshore-opposite-2543-point-nepean-rd-rye-mornington-peninsula-vic/
EXTRACT. Set just behind the sand dunes at the base of Whitecliffs Lookout, a replica Lime Kiln has been built by the Rotary & Lions Clubs of Rye in 1989. It has been sited where once the historic ‘Devine Kiln’ stood, as well as an old loading point where bullock teams would drag wagons loaded with bagged lime into the shallow waters, transfer it to barges, then to small sailing ships, to be transported to a special Limecraft Dock which was constructed c 1849, near King Street in Melbourne.

John and William Devine held separate leases in 1852, probably near the huts. These are plotted on another map in LAND LIME LEISURE.

https://nepeanhistoricalsociety.asn.au/history/quarantine-station/quarantine-background/
"In October 1852 Lieutenant-Governor La Trobe wrote to the General Surveyor Robert Hoddle enquiring as to the date of the expiration of the inhabitant’s leases. He was duly informed that the leases were renewed annually and were set to expire at the end of the year.

In Reply came the following nominal roll from Hoddle on 27th October, 1852:

Name Rent
Daniel Sullivan £12
Robert White £12
William Devine £12
John Devine £12
James Ford £12
H. G. Cameron £12

La Trobe’s response was to direct the Harbour Master to:

Take such steps as may be found desirable in withdrawing from licenced occupation such portion of land as may be required for the purpose of the immediate formation of a quarantine station at the Heads.13"

by itellya on 2018-07-29 02:08:01
Silly me! It's some years since I inspected the replica lime kiln but I'd only needed to look at the photo to see that the kiln was lined, not with bricks, but with limestone rubble (which was in such plentiful supply that it was used for some time to make the often-mentioned WHITE ROADS which were very smooth but caused glare, were slippery at times and could deteriorate quickly once the process started.)

GEORGE BAKER, LIME MERCHANT INVOLVED NEAR PORT PHILLIP HEADS AND HIS DEVINE FIRST WIFE, VIC., AUST.

N.B. Links will not work unless you paste them in the search bar.

WHO BUILT CLARK'S COTTAGE AT SORRENTO? AND AN UNEXPECTED BONUS RE THE LIME INDUSTRY! ALSO, GEORGE BAKER IN THE LIMELIGHT!
http://www.nepeanconservationgroup.org.au/14/130010.ashx

Was it Henry Cadby Wells who burnt lime with Robert Rowley in the early 1840's, (during which time his first surviving child, Polly, later Mrs David Kelly, was born on the site of the Koonya Hotel soon after his arrival) and partnered Robert Rowley again from 1849 in a successful but short lived crayfishing venture?
http://www.angelfire.com/al/chinabella/WellsStories_1_.html

EventBirth Event registration number12619 Registration year1841
Personal information
Family nameWELLS Given namesMary Louisa SexFemale Father's nameWELLS Henry Mother's nameHannah (Unknown) Place of birthPOINT NEPEAN

Was it lime merchant, George Baker for whom Edward Russell was apparently working in 1861 according to evidence in the great Schapper Point electoral conspiracy?

Baker was, like William Allison Blair, a lime merchant involved on BOTH sides of Port Phillip Bay, apparently heading a company with a fleet of lime craft. If he'd been near Point Nepean in 1859, surely he would have signed the petition opposing the building of a fence from White Cliff to the ocean beach which was promoted by Peter Purves and James Ford.

HE DID. The following would have been based on information contained in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD or Jenny Nixon's FAMILY, CONNECTIONS, SORRENTO AND PORTSEA, both of which discussed the petition. Jenny believed, despite claims to the contrary, that Clark's Cottage was built by a man named Wells in about 1850.

FROM ONE OF MY JOURNALS.
Many of the limeburners would have been illiterate. Their names would have been printed (by Peter Purves or James Sandle Ford) and followed by "their mark", usually a cross (X). The names on the petition opposing construction of the fence were: James Ford, Peter Purves, Robert Rainey, James Patterson, George Mitchell, Robert Quinan, George White, Robert White, Richard White, Jeremiah White , James Swan,
Arthur Robinson MATCD (presumably the other Melbourne resident), Alfred Evans, Nathan Page, John Dillon, Edward Russell, Patrick Sullivan, Edward M.Williams, Richard White, George White, Isaac Prout, Owen Cain, Mrs John Devine, Ben Stennigan (Stenniken), Timothy Sullivan, Thomas Clancy, George Baker, Charles Dean, Mrs Edward Skelton, Samuel Clark, Samuel Williams, Richard Kenna (Melbourne resident!)

HOWEVER, like Peter Purves' brother, James, George Baker was probably more likely to be found in Melbourne than on the Southern Peninsula.
A Small BOAT for SALE, complete. Apply Mr. GEORGE BAKER. Lime Crafts.(P.1, Argus, 10-2-1860.)
LIME, Heads and Geelong ; Cement and Plaster; superior quality, and lowest rates. George Baker, Lime Wharf.
(P.8, Argus, 28-6-1865.)

(INCIDENTALLY, James Patterson was the head of the family that later settled near Pattersons Rd at Fingal, farmed near Wallaces Rd (known as Patterson's Lane) on Jamieson's Special Survey, and owned Pattersons Motors in Rosebud.)

The building of a substantial dwelling such as Clark's Cottage would imply a family and expected permanent residence in the area. Not one child of a George Baker was registered as having been born on the peninsula between 1841 and 1860.

This could be the lime burner's marriage, Devine being an early lime burner near the Heads, near whose kiln Owen Cain's daughter was found in 1844.*
EventMarriage Event registration number3407 Registration year1855
Personal information
Family nameBAKER Given namesGeorge SexUnknown Spouse's family nameDEVINE Spouse's given namesMaria

No births were registered by this couple up to 1865. I could not find a marriage notice to confirm my suspicion.

* CHILD LOST.--On the afternoon of Tuesday, 20th inst., a little girl, daughter of Mr Owen Cain, residing near the heads, about three and a-half years of age was missing. A search was immediately made, but in vain. It was continued next morning, and four following days, and on Sunday(she)was found about half a mile distant from Mr Cameron's hut, near the sea beach. Two of Mr Devine's lime burners were attracted by a moan proceeding from something in the long grass, and after a search of two hours they discovered the child alive, eating grass. From the time the child was lost until Saturday evening it constantly blew a gale of wind,and rained incessantly. The child's feet and hands were much swollen, but it is recovering fast. The. greatest praise is due to the settlers of Point Nepean for their humane exertions in assisting the distressed parents to recover the child.(P.3, Geelong Advertiser, 9-9-1844.)

With little information appearing on trove that could be tied to the right George Baker, I tried a google search for George Baker Limeburner and discovered AN UNEXPECTED BONUS:
a history of limeburning, limecraft etc. with many photos such as Duffy's kiln at Portsea and details of the Walkerville area to which the Hughes family (and others) moved.

http://www.asha.org.au/…/australasian_…/14_04_Harrington.pdf
EXTRACT. (BOTTOM OF COLUMN 1, PAGE 21.)
The Result went down in the Coles Channel off Swan Island in 1916, at which time the vessel was owned by the Melbourne Builders Lime and Cement Company*.
In terms of the interrelationship of burning, marketing and
shipping it is interesting to note that the Result was originally
owned by George Baker, a Melbourne lime merchant who for
some time also maintained an active involvement with lime
burning on the Mornington Peninsula. I I
II The site of Baker's lime kiln is marked by a plaque, near
the Sorrento foreshore.

*THE LIME DISPUTE.
TO THE EDITOR.
Sir,—I have the honor to forward documents received by me from Mr George Baker, manager of Melbourne Builders Lime and Cement Company, (P.4, Geelong Advertiser, 16-10-1875.)

George was still involved in the company in 1898:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9799954

G.Baker was granted crown allotments 1,2,3 and 6 of section 7, Township of Rye in 1872. His purchases are shown on my paper map copied at the P.R.O.V. but not on the 1873 survey prepared by Michael Callanan, (one of the brothers after whom Callanans Rd at Red Hill was named:)
https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232494357

GEORGE BAKER'S DEATH RECORD?
EventDeath Event registration number11281 Registration year1899
Personal information
Family nameBAKER Given namesGeo SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathS Y Age66

http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/…/005014912_00…
EXTRACT:
BAKER, George, [206] 12 October (1901) Administration (with the will) of the estate of George Baker, late of Sunnyville, Domain, Yarra,Victoria,lime merchant who died 27 September 1899, granted at Dublin to Henry C.Guaro Solicitor (Limited.) Effects L53 12s 6d.

GEORGE BAKER'S WILL.
The will of George Baker, late of "Sunny
ville," -Domain road, South Yarra, has been
lodged. for probate. Testator left estate valued
at L9.473 realty, and L14.128 personalty, and he
made tho following charitable bequests:—
Melbourne Hospital, Immigrants' Home and
Masonic Asylum, L100 each; Eye and Ear
Hospital, Benevolent Asylum, Old Colonists'
Association, Homoeopathic Hospital, Children's
Hospital, Incurables Hospital, and Little Sis
ter's of the Poor, L50 each.
Testator leaves numerous legacies, ranging
between L100 and LI, 000, to relatives and ac
quaintances, one of them to W. T. Devlne, of
Mulwalah. N.S.W., bullock driver, Ll.OOO. To
his widow he leaves the house on the Domain
road, and L5O0 in money, an annuity of L300,
and certain residuary estates. Testator fur
ther directs that a sum not exceeding L400 be
expended on. his funeral expenses, and on the
erection of a granite monument over his.
grave.(P.19, Weekly Times, 25-11-1899.)

THE LATE MR. GEORGE BAKER.
A WELL-KNOWN MASON.
Mr George Baker, a highly-respected
resident of Melbourne, died on Wednes
day morning, the 27th inst., at his re
sidence, Domain road, South Yarra, aged
66 years. The illness to which deceased
fell a victim had only extended over a
few days, and the immedate cause of his
death is believed to have been heart dis
ease. For many years Mr Baker had held
a responsible position in commercial
circles, and had taken a leading part in
philanthropic work. His loss will be re-
gretted by a large number of friends.
As a Freemason the late Mr Baker was
widely known, and he had attained to
high dignity in the order, occupying at
the time of his death the rank of Deputy
Grand Master of the United Grand Lodge
of Victoria. His appointment to this dig-
nity in the Irish constitution extends
back to 1878, and was confirmed in Sep-
tember, 1881 by. the late Bro. Sir W. J.
Clarke, who was then appointed Grand
Master. In 1889, at the amalgamation of
the four Grand Lodges, and the inaugur-
ation of the United Grand Lodge of Vic
toria, Bro. Baker was appointed the first
.Deputy Grand Master of the new lodge,
which position he occupied at the time
of his decease. The late Sir Willliam
Clarke also conferred upon him the rank
of Past Grand Master.
During his brief illness the deceased
was attended by Dr Woods, of South
Yarra.(P.14, Weekly Times, 7-10-1899.)

George's death notices provide no new information.
BAKER.—The Friends of the late Mr. GEORGE
BAKER are informed that his remains will
be interred in the Melbourne General Ceme-
tery.
The funeral will leave his late residence,
"Sunnyville," Domain-road, South Yarra, THIS
DAY (Friday, the 29th inst.), at 2.15 p.m. punctu-
ally, and will proceed to Christ Church, Toorak-
road, where service will be held ; afterwards the
cortege will be conducted to the cemetery.
(P.1, Argus, 29-9-1899.)

The inscription on the photographed gravestone is completely indecipherable.
George Baker
BIRTH unknown
DEATH unknown
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651304 · View Source

George had obviously remarried after Maria's death.

EventDeath Event registration number6015 Registration year1881
Personal information
Family nameBAKER Given namesMaria Frances SexUnknown Father's nameDevine Wm Mother's nameEmilie (D) Place of birth Place of deathS Y Age43 Spouse's family nameBAKER Spouse's given namesGeorge

BAKER--On the 26th inst., at her residence, Sunnyville, Domain-road, South Yarra. Maria Frances, the beloved wife of Mr. George Baker. R.I.P. The Telegraph, St Kilda, Prahran and South Yarra Guardian (Vic. : 1866 - 1888) Saturday 30 April 1881 p 3

Another indecipherable photo of the gravestone.Same plot!
Maria Frances Baker
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 26 Apr 1881
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651300 · View Source

MARIA'S FATHER WAS WILLIAM DEVINE, NOT JOHN AS I HAD EXPECTED. WAS WILLIAM ALSO A LIME BURNER?
Devine, John and W. (lime merchants) : / p. 174, 200
Victorian Historical Journal : 112 Volume 28 (4), 1958; Royal ... - eHive
https://ehive.com/…/victorian-historical-journal-112-volume…

GEORGE BAKER'S SECOND WIFE..
BAKER–MINIHON.—On the 17th ult., at the residence
of Thomas Ingoldby, Esq., Woodbrook, Garvoc, by
the Rev. J. J. Herbert, George Baker, of Domain-
road, South Yarra, to Ellen, youngest daughter of
Timothy John Minihon, Esq., Woodbrook, County
Cork, Ireland. (P.1, Argus, 10-6-1882.)

Ellen Baker
BIRTH 1824
DEATH 24 Nov 1893 (aged 68–69)
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-054
MEMORIAL ID 129651418 · View Source

BAKER - On the 24th November, at her late residence,
"Sunnyville," Domain-road, South Yarra, Ellen, the
dearly beloved wife of George Baker. (P.5, The Age, 25-11-1893.)

There was no mention of a third marriage in family notices. The will had probably been written before Ellen's death in 1893.

THE DEVINES
Some information about the Devines has been published in comments.
Victorian BDM shows that both John and William Devine were living at Point Nepean where some of their children's births took place and the maiden names of their wives are given consistently but my main aim at the moment is to find where they afterwards lived so I can find the death records of John, William and their wives. Here's a good start.

JOHN DEVINE'S FAMILY.
DEVINE.—The Friends of the late Miss SARAH DEVINE of Bendigo, daughter of the late John Devine (formerly lime merchant, of this city), are informed that her remains will be interred in the Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral will leave the Spencer-street railway station on arrival of train from Bendigo THIS MORNING, 5th inst., at 9.50. (P.1, Argus, 5-3-1894.)


SARAH'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number681 Registration year1894
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesSarah SexFemale Father's nameJno Mother's nameAnna (Barrel) Place of birth Place of deathBgo Age44

SARAH'S BIRTH WAS REGISTERED TWICE IN MELBOURNE.
The other record gives her mother's names as Honora unknown.
EventBirth Event registration number42666 Registration year1849
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesSarah SexFemale Father's nameDEVINE John Mother's nameHanna (Barry) Place of birthMELBOURNE

MARY DEVINE.
DEVINE.—On the 16th inst., of consumption, at the residence of her mother, 90 George street, Fitzroy, Mary, youngest daughter, of the late Mr. John Devine, lime merchant, aged 17 years.—R.I.P.
(P.15, Advocate, 22-8-1868.)

MARY'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number6096 Registration year1868
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameJohn Mother's nameHannah (Barry) Place of birthMELB Place of death Age17

Mary's birth records both give her name as Mary Anne, her year and place of birth as 1851 Melbourne and her mother as Hannah unknown.

The Funeral of the late Miss MARY DEVINE, youngest daughter of the late Mr. John Devine,lime merchant, will move from the residence of her mother, 90 George-street, Fitzroy, to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery, THIS DAY (Monday), 17th inst., at half-past 2 o'clock p.m. (P.8, Argus, 17-8-1868.)

MARY DEVINE'S CEMETERY RECORD.
Mary Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 16 Aug 1868
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651292 · View Source

JOHN DEVINE'S WIDOW, HANNAH, DIED AT SANDHURST (BENDIGO) IN 1890.
EventDeath Event registration number4548 Registration year1890
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesHannah SexFemale Father's nameBarry Jas Mother's name (Regan) Place of birth Place of deathSandhurst Age66

THE Friends of the late Mrs. HANNAH DEVINE, relict of the late Mr. John Devine, are respectfully invited to follow her remains to the place of interment,Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral to move from Spencer-street on arrival of Sandhurst train at 10.45 a.m. THIS DAY (Tuesday).(P.8, The Age,21-1-1890.)

MELBOURNE GENERAL CEMETERY.
Hannah Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 18 Jan 1890
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651294 · View Source

John Devine (There is no death record for a John Devine in 1855.)
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 13 Feb 1855
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651291 · View Source

John's death in 1855 would account for MRS JOHN DEVINE signing the 1859 petition opposing the fence from White Cliff to the back beach!

Sarah Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 3 Mar 1894
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651295 · View Source

Mary Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 16 Aug 1868
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651292 · View Source

John Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 1 Oct 1898
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651296 · View Source
(Could be John, born in 1847 as his death record (1898 reg. no.17112)gives his age as 51 but his mother was supposedly Mary unknown.Given that he was buried in the same plot, I believe the mother's name was a mistake.)

There were no family notices regarding him but he was supposed to be a former Bendigo resident.
Suddenly.—A man named John Devine, aged 51, said to be an ex-resident of Bendigo, died very suddenly on Saturday at the residence of his brother-in-law, No. 65 Simpson street, East Melbourne. The deceased had been
in ill-health for the last two months, and came to the above address about a fortnight ago. He was not seen by a medical man, and while drinking some wine he suddenly fell back and expired. Dr. T. Boyd was called in, but found that life was extinct. The doctor declined to give a certificate as to the cause of death, and the police were communicated with. A constable removed the body to the city morgue.(P.2, Bendigo Advertiser, 3-10-1898.)
No coroner's inquest has been found.

BIRTHS RECORDS (VICTORIA) OF JOHN AND HANNAH'S CHILDREN.
THOMAS 1846 R.N.39180/1416 POINT NEPEAN MOTHER-HANNAH BARRY (died 1882 aged 36 at Sandhurst, REG NO.10005.)
JOHN 1847 R.N. 2626/41803 POINT NEPEAN MOTHER- HANNA UNKNOWN/BARRY
SARAH 1849 R.N.42666/3911 MELBOURNE MOTHER-HANNA BARRY/ HONORA UNKNOWN
SUSANNA 1849 R.N.42667/3912 MELBOURNE MOTHER-HANNA BARRY/HONORA UNKNOWN
MARY ANNE 1851 REG.No.44017/5716 MELBOURNE MOTHER-HANNAH/HANAH UNKNOWN

Thomas Phillip Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 13 Aug 1882
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-018
MEMORIAL ID 129651293 · View Source

EventDeath Event registration number10005 Registration year1882
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesThos. Philip SexUnknown Father's nameJno. Mother's nameHannah (Barry) Place of birth Place of deathS'HURST Age36

DEVINE. — On the 13th August, at Arnold-street,Sandhurst, Mr. Thomas Devine, eldest son of the late Mr. John Devine, of this city, lime merchant.(P.25, Leader,19-8-1882.)

OTHER CHILDREN FROM DEATH RECORDS.


A THIRD DEVINE BROTHER.
Yesterday, 23rd instant, at his residence, Point Nepean, after a short illness, Mr. Thomas Lewine, much
regretted by his two brothers, William and John Devine, and a numerous circle of friends.
(P.4, Argus, 25-2-1853.)

(It is likely that Thomas was buried in the cemetery near the Quarantine Station.)

As Thomas clearly died at Point Nepean this death record is a perfect example of the fact that the place of death (or birth) in records was where the event was REGISTERED.

EventDeath Event registration number45346 Registration year1853
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesThomas SexMale Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birthUNKNOWN Place of deathMELBOURNE Age46

WILLIAM DEVINE'S FAMILY.
WILLIAM'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number2337 Registration year1854
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesWilliam SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameWinifred (Mcgarra) Place of birthIRELAND Place of death Age52 Spouse's family nameSHERIDAN Spouse's given namesEmma

On the 2nd inst., at his residence, Cardigan-street,North Melbourne, William Devine, aged 52 years.
(P.4, Argus, 3-4-1854.)

William Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 2 Apr 1854
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651297 · View Source

See the cemetery record of John Joseph Devine below.

See the cemetery records for Amelia Agnes Devine and her husband, Captain Thomas Devine below.


BIRTH RECORDS (VICTORIA)OF WILLIAM AND EMMA DEVINE'S CHILDREN.
AMELIA/ EMILIA, 1845 REG.No.835/38687,POINT NEPEAN, MOTHER-AMELIA/EMILIA SHERIDAN.(Amelia died at Malvern, aged 66 in 1908, reg. no.14265. She was the Amelia Devine who married Captain Thomas Devine in 1860 and became a widow in 1869.
EventDeath Event registration number14265 Registration year1908
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesAmelia Agnes SexUnknown Father's nameDevine Wm Mother's nameAmelia (Sheridan) Place of birth Place of deathMvern Age66
One of their children, Walter Timothy, died at Malvern aged 53 in 1917, reg. no.1990.His death notice mentions his surviving siblings.
DEVINE.- On the 20th February, at "Walworth," Valetta street, Malvern, Walter, beloved husband of Susan Devine, of Barkly street, Brunswick, loving father of Kathleen and Oswald, brother of Helena, Wilham, and Colonel J. H. Devine; second son of the late Captain Thomas and Amelia Devine. (Private interment.)
(P.1, Argus, 22-2-1917.)


Another son,Lieutenant-Colonel John Henry Devine, died at Prahran aged 59 in 1927 aged 59, reg. no.3145.
See his obituary- page 16, Argus, 8-2-1927.
Cemetery record for Amelia Agnes.
Amelia Agnes Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 26 Oct 1908
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651303 · View Source

Captain Thomas Devine was NOT a child of William and Emilia but the HUSBAND of Amelia Agnes.
Capt Thomas Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 22 Dec 1869
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651299 · View Source


As the death of Emilia Devine was not registered (or is not yet entered online)I will have to assume that she was Emilia (nee Sheridan), the widow of William who died in 1854. Here is the cemetery record.

Emilia Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 13 Feb 1855
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 130621539 · View Source


WILLIAM, 1845 R.N.834/38686,POINT NEPEAN, MOTHER- AMELIA/EMILIA SHERIDAN.(No death record with right parents found.)

The reason that no death record had been found is that William died in Brisbane.
DEVINE. — On the 13th July, suddenly, at Brisbane,William Thomas Devine, late of the Victorian Railways.
(P.1, The Age, 16-7-1903.)

I had gone through all the Devine burials at the Melbourne General Cemetery and this one was the very last one. It would have been a very expensive funeral!
William Thomas Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 13 Jul 1903
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651302 · View Source

SARAH 1847
EventBirth Event registration number41753 Registration year1847
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesSarah SexFemale Father's nameDEVINE William Mother's nameEmilia (Sheridan) Place of birthPOINT TESSIN

EventBirth Event registration number2576 Registration year1847
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesSarah SexFemale Father's nameDEVINE William Mother's nameEmilia (Unknown) Place of birthPOINT NEPEAN

OTHER CHILDREN FROM DEATH RECORDS.
EventDeath Event registration number13951 Registration year1913
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesJno Jos SexUnknown Father's nameDevine Wm Mother's nameEmma Amelia (Sheridon) Place of birth Place of deathMvern Age73

DEVINE.—On the 9th December, 1913, at the residence of his niece, "Walworth," Valetta street, Malvern, John Joseph Devine, eldest son of the late William Devine, lime merchant, Melbourne, aged 73 years (Interred privately, Melbourne General Cemetery.)

John Devine
BIRTH 1839
DEATH 10 Dec 1913 (aged 73–74)
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT MGC-RC-Comp-E-No-19
MEMORIAL ID 178769144 · View Source

EventDeath Event registration number1062 Registration year1894
Personal information
Family nameDEVINE Given namesWalt Sheridan SexMale Father's nameWm Mother's nameEmily (Sheridan) Place of birth Place of deathCarl N Age42

DEVINE. — On the 9th February, at Lee Cottage, 540 Station street, North Carlton, Walter Sheridan Devine, the beloved husband of Susie Evelyn Devine, and younger son of the late William Devine lime merchant, in his 42nd year. (P.11, Weekly Times, 17-2-1894.)

Walter S Devine
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 9 Feb 1894
Victoria, Australia
BURIAL
Melbourne General Cemetery
Carlton, Melbourne City, Victoria, Australia
PLOT R-C, Comp-E, No-019
MEMORIAL ID 129651301 · View Source

2 comment(s), latest 2 weeks, 3 days ago

WAS A.B.BALCOMBE OF THE BRIARS NEAR MOUNT MARTHA (VIC., AUST.) RELATED TO THE FIRST OCCUPANT OF THAT RUN, CAPT. JAMES REID?

N.B. Links won't work unless they are copied into your search bar.

WERE CAPTAIN JAMES REID, EARLY SQUATTER NEAR MORNINGTON AND ALEXANDER BEATSON BALCOMBE WHO TOOK OVER HIS RUN, RELATED THROUGH MARRIAGE? WHAT BECAME OF CAPTAIN JAMES REID?
After I discovered that several of Balcombe's children were born in Victoria and that his wife's maiden name was Reid, I wondered what had happened to Captain James Reid. I wonder if James was related to Emma's father, Dr David Reid.
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biogr…/balcombe-alexander-beatson-2922
http://localhistory.kingston.vic.gov.au/htm/article/73.htm
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/72182185
I'm sure that I've seen claims that A.B.Balcombe took over Captain Reid's run in 1843 but it seems certain that this happened in 1846. THE FIRST ARTICLE ABOVE SEEMS TO TAKE AN EACH-WAY BET. Where was he at Schnapper Point in 1843* if not on Reid's run? No land there had been alienated. Was he at Mentone (unlikely because he bought his land in the parish of Moorabbin circa 1853) or a guest of Captain James Reid on his run?
(* "Alexander bought livestock and took his wife to Port Phillip in 1842; they stayed for some time at Merri Creek and in 1843 settled at Schnapper Point, which Balcombe named. In 1846 he took over the run Chen Chen Gurruck, or Tichingorourke, changing the name to The Briars.")
In May 1843, A.B.Balcombe was still at the Merri Creek, little over a month earlier having had trouble with his neighbour.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/225010717
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/226925447
In March and November 1844, Alexander was a panel member in the Supreme Court so he was presumably still closer to Melbourne than today's Mentone.
In 1845, a Mr and Mrs Balcombe sailed to Sydney on the brig, Christina, arriving on July 20, maybe Alexander and Emma with a tiny bundle, the first of four daughters and two sons to be born in Victoria, to show to Dr. D.Reid and his wife. (An earlier child had been born in New South Wales.)
"The Sydney Morning Herald of September 14, 1842 noted that Mr and Mrs Balcombe and child departed for Port Phillip on the brig Christina. After their arrival in Melbourne Alexander and Emma stayed for some time at Merri Creek. "
EventBirth Event registration number14203 Registration year1845
Personal information
Family nameBALCOMBE Given namesEmma Jane SexFemale Father's nameBALCOMBE Alexander Beatson Mother's nameEmma (Unknown) Place of birthMELBOURNE
The first mention of A.B.Balcombe in connection with a run was in 1846!
EXTRACT FROM:
http://vhd.heritagecouncil.vic.gov.au/pla…/…/download-report
This pastoral run was taken up in 1840 by the prominent gentleman colonist Captain James Reid, who called it
Checkingurk (or Tichingorook). Georgiana McCrae sketched the property in 1844. In 1846 it was transferred to
Alexander Balcombe, who renamed it The Briars after his family home on St Helena, where Napoleon had been
a guest during his exile.
See Alexander Balcombe's grants (at the south end of the parish of Moorabbin:)
digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_publ…/simpleimages/4/1262934.html
And in the parish of Moorooduc:
digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_publ…/simpleimages/…/1076739.html
WAS THIS ALEXANDER BEATSON BALCOMBE'S BROTHER-IN-LAW? I'd bet my last dollar on it!
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71506448
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/reid-david-4464
SOMEONE (A GREAT SCIENTIST IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY) ONCE SAID THAT THE GREATEST THING A HUMAN BEING COULD DO WAS TO WONDER. At the start of this post I did some of this.
I wondered what had happened to Captain James Reid. I wonder if James was related to Emma's father, Dr David Reid.
Excerpt from the David Reid biography.
Their sister Agnes Cruickshank married Sir Francis Murphy and died in Melbourne on 27 January 1906 aged 88; and Emma Juana, born at sea in 1822, married A. B. Balcombe and died in Melbourne on 3 June 1907.
THE SQUATTER'S WIFE.
The writer of Captain James Reid's obituary regretted that more details of his military career were not available. I regret that more information about the captain's family was not provided in the obituary.
Who would guess that this was the death record of Captain Reid's widow?
EventDeath Event registration number4619 Registration year1870
Personal information
Family nameREID Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Father's nameU Mother's name Place of birth Place of death Age49 Spouse's family nameUnknown
EXTRACTS FROM:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/thread.aspx…
Re: MARY FORBES (1801-1884) Scotland, England, Launceston, Geelong (maybe) and New Zealand
divbooks (View posts)
Posted: 23 Sep 2013 09:15AM
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Sep 2013 09:15AM
Aha! (Source: NZTEC. The Cyclopedia of New Zealand, Canterbury Provinical District)
"Forbes, Robert A., Contractor, Tai Tapu. Mr. Forbes was born of Scottish parents at Birmingham, England, in 1842. He was educated at the public schools in his native land, and at the age of thirteen, on his father's death, accompanied his mother and sister to Victoria.
In 1856 he removed to Tasmania, where he was apprenticed to the building trade, on the advice of his brother-in-law, the late Captain Reid, Staff-Officer of Imperial Pensioners. (etc.)
Re: MARY FORBES (1801-1884) Scotland, England, Launceston, Geelong (maybe) and New Zealand
divbooks (View posts)
Posted: 23 Sep 2013 09:36AM
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Sep 2013 09:52AM
Surnames: Forbes, Reid
With the clue regarding Robert's brother-in-law Captain Reid, I found the Tasmanian death notice below, possibly for Margaret Hay Forbes?
The Cornwall Chronicle, Monday 25 April 1870 (Source: TROVE)
"Reid— At Melbourne, suddenly, on the 19th inst., Margaret, relict of the late Captain Reid, aged 49."
Victorian death reg., 1870.
Margaret Reid, aged 49, reg. #4619.
A.
Edited to add: The eldest daughter of Captain James Reid was named Helen Hay Reid.
The Mercury, Hobart. Saturday 27 February 1869 (Source: TROVE)
"MARRIAGES.
COLLINS-REID. -On the 25th February, at Trinity Church, Launceston, by the Rev. Francis Hales, William Anthony Collins, of Launceston, Solicitor, to Helen Hay, eldest daughter of the late Captain James Reid."
Re: MARY FORBES (1801-1884) Scotland, England, Launceston, Geelong (maybe) and New Zealand
divbooks (View posts)
Posted: 23 Sep 2013 10:14AM
Classification: Query
James Reid must have been a fair bit older than Margaret?
Launceston Examiner, Thursday 31 January 1867
"REID. -on Tuesday evening the 29th January, James Reid, formerly Captain H.M.'s 45th Regt, and Governor of the Gaol and Superintendent of Penal Establishment, Launceston, aged 72 years . Colonial papers please copy. The funeral will leave his late residence, Patterson street. on Friday, 1st February at 4 0'CIock.--Richards & Sons, Undertakers."
Obituary, The Cornwall Chronicle, Launceston, Saturday 2 February 1867
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/printArticleJpg/72182185/3?p...
(Source: TROVE)
CAPTAIN JAMES REID X 2.
James Reid of Mount Martha was definitely a military man. There was another Captain James Reid, Sir John Franklin's ice master.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62712082
I WONDER IF THE TWO CAPTAINS WERE RELATED!
P. 29, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, Colin McLear.
"On January 5 1844, Georgiana (McCrae)records a visit by Captain Reid who gave an account of Sir John and Lady Franklin's stay at Tichingarook. This of course was subsequent to Sir John's period as Lieutenant-Governor of Van Dieman's Land and prior to his ill-fated search for the North-West Passage in 1845. "
What a coincidence that both of the military and naval namesakes were intimately associated with Sir John Franklin!
Were they related? Did the visit to Reid's run lead to the ice master's appointment?
If a likeness of the Mount Martha pioneer is ever found, it will be interesting to check the degree of resemblance to the reconstructed face shown in this article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Sailor-went-missing-polar-expe…
Family notices reveal several descendants of the pioneer near Mount Martha, who suggested the Barker, Meyrick duel to resolve the Desailly's Waterhole dispute*.
(*See page 21,
Coastal guide to nature and history 2: Mornington Peninsula's ocean ...
https://books.google.com.au/books?isbn=0992321727)

WILFRID RUSSELL GRIMWADE AND JOHN GILBERT MANN, FRANKSTON, VIC., AUST.

I suppose there would be an Australian Dictionary of Biography article about Sir Russell Grimwade. I'd never even thought who had been responsible for bringing Cook's Cottage to Melbourne and this would probably be mentioned in such a biography, as well as his business interests, but there's no way known that all of the information contained in this treasure trove could be included! I discovered it in an effort to find out whether Harbury, John Gilbert Mann's residence at Mount Eliza, where John died in 1952, had been demolished or was still standing.

Sir Russell and John Gilbert Mann (who wrote the history of Mt Eliza in 1926) obviously knew each other well and shared a deep interest in Australia's history and flora. It was a Grimwade search on trove that enabled me to find the origin of the names of Harleston Rd,and Thornton Rd, Mt. Eliza (Melway 101 H9.) The collection includes architectural plans of houses that would be of great interest to heritage consultants, details of the first legal decision given in Melbourne, correspondence, a HUGE collection of photos (Coolart, Balnarring racecourse, the grandstand at the 1899 races at Portsea, Frankston golf links, etc.), maps that probably could not be accessed online, reward posters, and other information that would never have been published in newspapers.

RUSSELL AND MABEL GRIMWADE'S COLLECTION


BOX No.13 SERIES No.18/21 DESCRIPTION. 89 97 – [Programme]
Programme for Ball and Supper in celebration of the arrival of the First
Royal Mail Steam Ship from Great Britain. Museum Great Room, Sydney
26 August 1852. Includes Programme of Dancing, Supper, Toasts etc. One
sheet programme with decorative edge. (Programme given to W.R.G. by
J.G. Mann, 5 January, 1935.)

I'm only halfway through the collection and I have a commitment in an hour so I will have to make do with providing the summary which led me to the collection. The photo may be a group photo, or Sir Russell, at Harbury, either inside or outside.

Online ListingGrimwade, Sir Russell and Lady Grimwade Papers
gallery.its.unimelb.edu.au/imu/imu.php?request=multimedia&irn=6406
Aug 23, 2006 - Grimwade at desk, 1931; Marathon; Harbury, Frankston; eucalyptus samples at Miegunyah; crop of Digitalis Purpurea(?), Emerald. Photograph .