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ROBERT GEORGE ELY, KEILOR, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.
10:25 P.M, 8-10-2014.
Robert George Ely was the teacher at Tullamarine when a couple of Hendry lads and Joseph Jackson were persuaded by too much grog to vandalise Robert's school, which I believe was school 632 on the inside of the bend in Cherie St,Tullamarine,if I interpreted the title document correctly. See the court report in my journal EARLY CHRONOLOGY OF TULLAMARINE. I commented about Robert's role as Keilor's postmaster, shire secretary (or was it the earlier road board?) and Robert having to travel between two schools every lunchtime at one time.
No doubt Chris Laskowski, Angela Evans or Sue Jennison have written about Robert somewhere,otherwise I would not have known about his half-time schools, which are mentioned in the first entry which cropped up in a trove search for TULLAMARINE ISLAND. Let's see how much trove can tell us about Robert and his family. As the first President of the reformed Keilor Historical Society circa 1989, whose greatest achievement was handing over the reins to Susan Jennison O.A.M., it's about time my focus switched to Keilor as Bulla,Broady and Tulla have had a good run.
ROBERT GEORGE ELY.
The Keilor Road State School was examined last week by Mr. Inspector Brodribb, and the result of the examination reflects the greatest possible credit on Mr. Ely, the teacher. Though obliged to give half his time to another half-time school at Tullamarine Island, he worked so energetically for the past twelve months, that he has brought the schools up to and above some of the full time schools. The Inspector, besides giving Mr. Ely a flattering report, gave him over 60 per cent. results on the combined average of the two schools.
Seventy-five per cent of those presented got certificates, amongst whom figures Marion Harvie,aged ten, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Harvie, of the Keilor Road hotel.
(The Bacchus Marsh Express (Vic. : 1866 - 1918) Saturday 17 June 1882 p 3 Article)
ABOUT CRAWFORD HARVIE (crawford harvie,keilor road station search.)
Mr. Crawford Harvie, who died on Saturday last, was well known and universally respected during the many years that he,with his wife and family, kept the Keilor road hotel, at what was then the terminus of the line of coaches between the Keilor road station and Bacchus Marsh, and beyond. The late Mr. Harvie was one of the best type of colonists, whose conduct in every respect was a good example to everyone. He was auditor for Keilor
Shire for many years. The following paragraph is from the Terang Express of Tuesday last:-Our readers will regret to hear of the death of Mr. Crawford Harvie, proprietor of the Commercial hotel, Terang. For the past 8 years Mr. Harvie has been bedridden, and he passed away quietly on Saturday evening last.
Born in 1823 at Beith, Ayrshire, Scotland. he came to Victoria when a young man of 30 years of age, and settled at Keilor, where he remained for about 30 years. Seventeen years ago he purchased the Commercial hotel property, Terang, and with his wife and family has resided here ever since.The deceased leaves a widow and grown up family of two sons and three daughters to mourn his lose. The funeral was very largely attended yesterday by district residents and friends from a distance. The Rev. S. Fraser, M.A., conducted the service at the grave. (The Bacchus Marsh Express (Vic. : 1866 - 1918) Saturday 14 February 1903 p 2 Article)
Ironically Crawford's son in law was probably related to the Hendry lads from Tullamarine who trashed Robert Ely's school.
HENDRY -HARVIE .-On the 14th December, at Keilor road Station, by the Rev. Wm. Groundwater Fraser, Wm. Hendry, of Moonee Ponds, to Janet, eldest daughter of Crawford Harvie. (P.1, Argus,20-2-1878.)
Keilor Road Station was renamed Sydenham. A document, produced by the defunct Sydenham Historical Society, explaining the origin of the new name with a photo of Crawford's now-demolished hotel and detailing its location should be in the custody of the Keilor Historical Society. The Crawford Harvie entry in my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND has much extra information including the two hotels at Sydenham (Crawford's Union-by 1856, and Alex Furlong's Railway),Crawford's grants superimposed on Melway,the robbery at the Union and subsequent hanging and Crawford being the correspondent of the area's (schools)Board of Advice when the C. of E. school at the bottom of Bonfield St was replaced with a new school farther up the hill. Any Harvie descendants should private message me their email address if they would like a copy of the H1 file.
CRAWFORD'S OFF TO TERANG.
The following would never have been found if I had not had Keilor road station in the search term. I have left Crawford's name uncorrected to explain why.
THURSDAY,. 7th JANUARY, 1886.
CLEARING-OUT SALE AT KEILOR ROAD.
KING & COMPANY have received instructions from Mr.CaswBoan,HAnvis, to sell by Public Auction,, on the ground, at Keilor Road Station, on THURSDAY, 7th. January, 1886,commencing at 2 o'clock sharp, his very valuable freehold property containing 112a. 3r. 16p. of FREEHOLD LAND, adjoining the Keilor Road Station, with a long frontage to a Government road running along the Sandhurst line;- also a long frontage to the main Melbourne and Ballarat road; well fenced and permanently watered. A splendid block forsubdivision.
Also, the whole of his Cattle, Horses, Household Furniture, and Dairy Utensils,comprising 30 head of Cattle, consisting of Cows in full milk, dry Cows, and young stock, 5 Horses, including Draught Mare, Buggy Mare, and Saddle Horses, Buggy, Spring Cart, Dray, &c.The whole of the Household Furniture, including good Pianoforte.
The whole for Positive Sale, Without Reserve,as Mr. Harvie is leaving the district at once.
(The Bacchus Marsh Express (Vic. : 1866 - 1918) Saturday 26 December 1885 p 2 Advertising)
BACK TO ROBERT.
POSTMASTER AND ELECTORAL REGISTRAR.
The postmaster, such as William Bethell at Bulla and George Couser at Broadmeadows Township was usually appointed as the electoral registrar for a district because people such as farmers and carriers would be unavailable when they were needed.
ELECTORAL REGISTRARS.
The Star (Ballarat, Vic. : 1855 - 1864) Thursday 16 July 1863 p 3 Article
... Brown, Footscray; Gisborne, Henry Carroll, clerk of petty sessions, Gisborne; Keilor, R G. Ely, postmaster, Keilor; Kororoit, W. Puller, secretary to road board, Braybrook; Lancefield, Dr Phipps
KEILOR ROAD BOARD.
There may never have been a road board, shire or city of Keilor if the local members of parliament (West Bourke) had not agitated so strongly. This was a large electorate including even Blackwood, that sleepy hollow that at the time was a booming gold mining settlement. In 1974-5, the City of Sunshine wanted to merge with the City of Keilor but this approach was firmly rejected. However the merger did take place about two decades later when Victoria's historic municipalities were Jeffed. Where are the City of Brimbank councillors in 2014?
The complicated dispute respecting the division of the Keilor district between three competing district road boards-viz., those of Bulla, Braybrook,and Melton-was yesterday brought before tho Hon. Commissioner of Roads and Bridges by a deputation consisting of Mr. P. Phelan, late member for West Bourke ; Messrs. M'Mahon and J. T.Smith, the sitting members for that electoral district; and several other gentlemen interested in the question. Their complaint was that they (the residents)had thus been divided against their will, and even without their knowledge, the advertisement of the boundaries not having been noticed by them; and they now
urged that Government should take some steps to allow them to have a separate road board of their own, and so assess themselves.
Mr. Mitchell pointed out that to do this would be a tedious and expensive process, whereas he offered to take care that their portions of the grants in aid to each district, as well as the amount raised by assessment were secured to them. Moreover, he reminded them that by the time they could be separated the District Councils Bill would probably have become law. At first the deputation seemed very unwilling to agree to this proposal, preferring to sacrifice their money if only they could be formed into a separate road board. In the end, however, they acquiesced in Mr. Mitchell's suggestion, and also decided to appoint representatives to confer with the three road boards as to the disposal of the assessment money and grant in aid. The deputation then withdrew. (Bottom of column 2, P.5, Argus,5-12-1862. N.B.DIGITISATION NOT CORRECTED ON TROVE.)
KEILOR ROAD DISTRICT.-To PATRICK PHELAN, Esq., J.P.
Sir,-We the undersigned landholders and householders, resident within the Keilor Road-District, do hereby request you to convene a meeting of the landholders and householders in such road district to form a Road Board for the purpose of superintending, providing; for, and completing the construction, repairs, and maintenance of the roads in such road district, and for carrying out therein the provisions of the Act of the Governor and the Legislative Council of Victoria, 10 Victoria, No. 40, and 17 Victoria, No. 29.
Landholders............. Householders.
William Taylor.......... Alex. Duncan
James Robertson......... James Laverty
John Eagling ............Donald Guthrie
Chas. Daniels........... W. Pinder
James M'Intyre.......... David Beaton
Wm. O'Neil ..............Benj. Ellis
Martin Tuans? ...........R. G. Ely
(Pro. Edwd. Wilson .......Thomas Bertram.
A.Morgan.)
(ABOUT THE ABOVE.
William Taylor of Overnewton,longtime President of Keilor Shire, owned a huge area of land indicated by Taylors Lakes and Taylors Rd and, by his death, land in Tullamarine, all of which was resumed by the crown for closer settlement in the early 1900's. James Robertson owned land north of Overnewton, including Calder Park Thunderdome and called it Upper Keilor. He also received the grants for land in the parish of Doutta Galla that was inherited by his sons,Francis (Mar Lodge, between McCracken St,Essendon and William Hoffman's Butzbach) and James (Spring Hill,renamed Aberfeldie.)Taylor must have been abroad when James became Shire President. Caroline Chisholm's third shelter shed (the first two being near the Essendon railway bridge and the park in Keilor Village)situated beside a creek just east of the road slightly north of the point where the railway made its closest approach to what became the Calder Highway, was described as being at Robertson's. John Eagling, who owned the Waggoners' Arms and, I think,lived in Dagenhurst next to the court house after the troopers departed, became a councillor. Charles Daniels had a farm in the village whose location was given in a source I've forgotten (K.H.S.newsletter/ Keilor pioneers: Dead Men do tell Tales.) James McIntyre had a farm (called "Riverside?)between the north end of McIntyre Rd and the river (parish of Cut Cut Paw.). William O'Neil bought Frederick Dawes Wickham's 19 acre grants to become the owner of "Horseshoe Bend" and leased J.F.L.Foster's "Leslie Banks" (section 20 Doutta Galla) before the Delaheys. Edward Wilson, co-owner and editor of The Argus, was going blind and had just bought part of the Glengyle Estate (section 1 Tullamarine) which he named Arundel within a year or two, on which he intended to retire; Morgan was his overseer. James Laverty owned the North Pole Inn on the west corner of North Pole (Milleara) road and a 50 acre portion of Main's estate on the north side of Rosehill Rd near Rose or Steele's Creek. He also had a hotel in Moonee Ponds east of Hinkins St (the Harvest Home?) which has been wrongly assumed to be in Keilor. Donald Guthrie might have been the father of Alexander and James Guthrie of Glengyle (possibly the portion where Brown's Rd is located right near Bertram's ford.) If I remember correctly,not long after, James was killed while the brothers were in the process of moving to Torgarf near Sunbury. (See EARLY CHRONOLOGY OF TULLAMARINE journal.) Thomas Bertram was in the same area,hence the name of Bertram's Ford. (See my BERTRAM journal.)David Beaton was a shoemaker who had moved to Keilor near Caroline Chisholm Park by 1849. His address was given as Keilor Bridge but he stayed longer than THAT bridge. (See KEILOR PIONEERS: DEAD MEN DO TELL TALES and his entry in VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS.) Benjamin Ellis was probably an ancestor of the Essendon footballer.)
REPLY TO THE SIGNATORIES. (UNDER THE REQUEST.)
Gentlemen,-In compliance with the above requisition, I hereby CONVENE a MEETING of the LANDHOLDERS and HOUSEHOLDERS in the KeilorRoad District, to be holden on Wednesday, 10th day of November, 1862, at 6 o'clock p.m., at tho Waggoner's Arms Hotel, Keilor, for tho purposes specified in such requisition.
P. PHELAN, J.P. Spring Park. Oct. 11, 1862. (P.8,Argus,8-11-1862.)
ROAD BOARD CLERK.
Robert was the first Clerk of the Keilor Road Board when it was formed in 1863.
KEILOR DISTRICT BOARD-I hereby notify that a MEETING of the BOARD will be held at the Keilor Court house, at noon, on the 18th inst., to make a rate. A statement of the proposed rate may be seen at the office of the board, agreeably to tho 183th Sec. of the Act No. 176. R. G. ELY, Clerk, Keilor, November 10,1863.
(P.8, Argus, 12-11-1863.)
An application was made for a quo warranto, calling on W. Bonfield to show by what authority he exercised the office of clerk of the Keilor Road Board. The objection raised against him was that his predecessor had not been properly dismissed ; he could only be dismissed at a special meeting of the road board, whereas he had been dismissed at an ordinary meeting. The Court reserved judgment. (Last column P.4,Argus,26-6-1869.)
MEMO!!!!!!!Was Bonfield's initial W? Check. Likely a mistake like Walter ClarkE of Glenara in the same article.Put the winegrowing involvement in the CLARK entry in DICTIONARY HISTORY OF BULLA journal.
The usual quarterly meeting of the Melbourne Vinegrowers' Association was held on Thursday lost, at Mr. Maplestone'? wine stores, Elizabeth-street. The chair was occupied by the president, Mr. Walter Clarke (sic), of Glenara.(P.5, Argus, 26-6-1869.)
The Supreme Court have granted a rule nisi for a mandamus to compel the Keilor Road Board to pay the salary of Mr. Ely,clerk to the board, and whose dismissal had in a previous suit been set aside as informal.
((P.13, The Australasian,11-12-1869.)
My memory told me that Ebenezer Bonfield had succeeded Robert so I tried an ELY, BONFIELD search.
KEILOR ROAD BOARD.
The ordinary monthly meeting of the Keilor District Board on Saturday last lapsed for want of a quorum, but in consequence of the ruling of the Supreme Court in the case of Ely. v. Bonfield to the effect that the dismissal
of Mr. R. G. Ely was illegal, upon a technical point of law, written instructions signed by the Chairman and four of the members of the Keilor District Board, were handed to the Clerk requiring him to convene a special
meeting of the Board, and to give each member seven clear days notice in writing according to the provisions of the Local Government Act, No. 170, for the purpose of removing the said Robert George Ely from the offices
of Clerk, Treasurer, and collector, and to appoint E. Bonfield to the before named offices in his stead; also to appoint Messrs.E. Brown & Son Engineers to the Board, and for the appointment of valuators for the
ensuing year; the said special meeting to be held at the Court House, Keilor.
(P.4,The Bacchus Marsh Express,25-9-1869.)
TEACHER.
in the Crawford Harvie entry in DHOTAMA, I have quoted from a K.H.S. newsletter that William Savage and Robert George Ely were teachers at the Church of England school at the bottom of Bonfield St. As it was costing to much money for the Government to support competing denominational schools, common schools were introduced; Robert was one of the denominational school teachers whose positions became redundant.
MR.R.G. ELY.
Mr. M'MAHON moved "That this House will tomorrow, resolve itself into a committee of the whole to consider the propriety of presenting an address to His Excellency the Governor, requesting that provision may be made upon an Additional Estimate for 1864 for the balance of salary due to Mr. R. G. Ely, schoolmaster, Keilor." The hon. member remarked that Mr. Ely was one of those schoolmasters whose services had been dispensed with by the operation of the Common Schools Act, He had, however continued his duties for three months as the act came into operation, without receiving notice that his services were to be dispensed with, and it was for that period that he claimed payment. The subject had been brought before the Board of Education, but they had refused to pay the amount.
Mr. M'CULLOCH said that if the hon. member would withdraw the motion, he would endeavour to induce the Board of
Education to pay Mr. Ely the quarter's salary. Mr. M'MAHON agreed to withdraw the amendment.The amendment was accordingly withdrawn. (Second half of column 4,P.6, Argus,31-5-1864.)
CARELESS BUT LUCKY HARRY.
KEILOR.
(FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT).
A GUN accident, happily unattended with fatal consequences, took place here on Saturday evening, when Mr. Ely's second son Harry, a lad about seventeen years of age, though generally very careful in handling firearms, was in this instance the unwilling cause as well as the victim of the occurrence. He was taking his gun from a corner of the storeroom, when the hammer got caught in a bag, and a charge of heavy shot caused a severe
laceration of the neck and scalp. Under Dr. Turner's care all danger is now over.
(The Bacchus Marsh Express (Vic. : 1866 - 1918) Saturday 22 July 1882 p 3 Article)
YOUNG ROBERT.
ELY - On the 4th December, Robert Alexander Ely (of the Bank of Victoria Collins Street,city) dearly beloved son of Robert George Ely, of Keilor, aged 32 years. (P.1, Argus,6-12-1900.)
ELY.--In loving memory of "Our Dear Bob," who died the 4th of December, 1900, "Glenely," Keilor.
The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; Blessed be the name of the Lord.(P.1, Argus, 4-12-1903.)
MRS ELY, POSTMISTRESS.
ROBERT McDOUGALL, PIONEER OF BROADMEADOWS, ESSENDON, KEILOR AND BULLA, VICTORIA.
THE LATE MR. ROBERT
MCDOUGALL.
The remains of the late Mr. Robert
McDougall, who died at Ellora, Moonee
Ponds, on Saturday last, were buried at yester-
day in the Melbourne General Cemetery. The
funeral service was read by the Rev. H.
McKail of Bulla, the deceased being in-
terred in the Presbyterian division, imme-
diately in the rear of the grave of the late
James McPherson Grant. Amongst those
who attended the funeral were nearly all the
members of the council of the National Agric-
ultural Society of Victoria, of which body the
late Mr McDougall was a few years since an
active member. Many residents of the Keilor
district, where Mr. McDougall had lived for
some 15 years past, also took part in
the last rites. The pall bearers were all
relatives of the deceased, amongst them
being his only son, Mr. A McDougall; his
father-in-law, Mr. E.(*sic) Rankin, of Ascotvale;
and his sons-in-law, Messrs. A. Cameron and
A. Smith. The late Mr. McDougall was born
on the 16th April, 1813 on a cold sheep farm
at the foot of Shiechallion, in the parish of
Fortingall, Perthshire. The first 17 years of
his life were spent on the farm, and then he
removed to the western isles of Inverness
and Ross, where he remained for six years.
At that time the immense fishing capabilities
of the seas in which these isles are situated
were unknown, save to a few sportsmen.
Here Mr. McDougall, who was an
enthusiastic fisherman, spent his time
pleasantly enough fishing and otter hunting.
In 1836 he sailed for Canada, and for three
years lived on the Huron Track, then a new
settlement. He did not take to Canadian
life, and returned to his native land. Finding
that many of his acquaintances had, during
his absence, departed for Australia, he decided
to follow their example, and emigrate.
After a 16 weeks voyage, he landed in Port
Phillip in November, 1841. He found the
pastoral interest in a very depressed
condition, owing to the sudden and great
depreciation in the value of both live stock
and wool. Soon after landing Mr. McDougall
undertook the management of the herd of
cattle kept by Messrs. T. and S. Learmonth,
at Ercildoune. Like most Highlanders he
was an expert manager of cattle, and in 1848
he commenced cattle-breeding on his own
account, renting a portion of the Glenroy
estate from the late D. Kennedy, and his
first stock were a dozen well-bred heifers,
which he bought from Messrs. Gardiner and
Fletcher, of Mooroolbark. The prosperity
consequent upon the discovery of gold in
Victoria gave him
the opportunity he had looked for,
and in 1853 he went to Tasmania, and
bought the two Auroras, mother and daugh-
ter, from the late Mr. Theodore Bartley, of
Launceston, whose stock were from the Van
Diemen's Land Company's stud. In 1855 he again went to Tasmania, and bought from the Van Dieman's Land Company eight very fine cows,
and from these are descended the finest
animals in the Arundel herd. From Cona,
Mr.McDougall removed to a property near
Essendon, which he rented from the late
Mr. Aitken, who came to the colonies in the
same vessel as Mr. McDougall. Another
fellow passenger was the late Mr. David
McLaws, of Tower-hill, near Koroit, and it is
a notable thing that several of the passengers
by this ship, who came to Australia equipped
with little more than stout hearts and
willing hands, all became successful colonists,
and died wealthy. About 16 years ago Mr.
McDougall purchased the Arundel estate
from the late Mr. Edward Wilson, and he
resided there till a few days before his death.
The story of his life from 1853 is a record of
the stud herd he founded; a herd that is
favourably known to cattle-breeders through-
out the wide bounds of Australia. When the
prospect looked darkest for the owners of
cattle, Mr. McDougall never relaxed
in his efforts to improve his herd by the
importation of the best blood he could secure
in the old country. In 1859, Mr. McDougall
visited England, and purchased some stud
bulls, but in this, as well as several other
shipments, he had more or less misfortune
through high-priced animals dying on the
passage to the colonies. He was in England
a second time in 1870, when he bought from
Mr. T.C. Booth, of Warlaby, the white bull
Field Marshall Booth, then a calf, and Major
Booth, both of which sires proved of immense
value in the Arundel herd. His last import-
ation was in 1883, when he brought out the
Farewell bull Sir Roderick, which soon after
arrival took champion prize at the National
Agricultural Society's show in Melbourne. Mr.
McDougall was a thoroughly skilled stock
breeder, and had made a careful study of the
subject for the greater portion of his life. He
had great knowledge and experience, and on
all matters relating to cattle breeding he held
strong opinions, which in public controv-
ersy he was apt to urge with more force of
language than those opposed to him liked.
For over 40 years of his life his best efforts
were given to improve the breed of cattle in
his adopted country, and owing to his energy,
skill and great judgement he achieved a great
success. For a short time Mr. McDougall
sat in the Victorian Parliament**, but politics
were not to his taste, and it is as a breeder
of stud shorthorns that for many a year to
come the name of Robert McDougall will be
familiar 'as a household word' with the
breeders of high-class cattle in Australia. For
many months past Mr. McDougall has been
in failing health. He was in his 75th year, and
leaves a widow and six children, one son and
five daughters, to mourn their loss. (P.9, Argus, 29-6-1887.)
*EventDeath Event registration number1516 Registration year1913
Personal information
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesMargt SexUnknown Father's nameRankin Jno Mother's nameJean (Cance) Place of birth Place of deathEsdon Age79
**MLA West Bourke 1st Nov 1856 1st Aug 1857 Resigned
(https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/re-member/details/546-mcdougall-robert)
MARRIED.
At Roseneath Cottage, near Flemington, on Wed-
nesday, 20th inst., by special license, by the Rev.
John Reid, Minister of St. John's Presbyterian Church,
Doutta Galla, Robert McDougall, Esq., of Glenroy, to
Margaret, eldest daughter of John Rankin, Esq. (P.4, Argus, 26-7-1853.)
McDOUGALL - On the 16th February, at her home,
"Corswall," Moonee Ponds, Margaret widow of
the late Robert McDougall, of "Arundel,"
Keilor, aged 78 years. (P.1, Argus, 18-2-1913.)
John Rankin was one of the earliest residents of Kensington and was the grantee of land at the south corner of Princes Street (later renamed Rankins Road) and Macaulay Rd. Roseneath Cottage provided a pleasant view of Edward Byam Wight's "The Ridge" at the top of Kensington Hill but by the time that Peter Eadie of Ben Eadie at Sunbury became his brother-in-law, the view was interrupted by the Kensington Railway Station.
EADIE--RANKIN.--On tho 24th inst., at Roseneath-
cottage, Kensington, by the Rev. A.D. Kininmont,
Union Church, North Melbourne, Peter Eadie, Esq.,
merchant, Sunbury, to Jane, second daughter of
John Rankin, Esq., Kensington.(P.4, Argus, 25-2-1864.)
Thus Robert McDougall was the uncle of Robert Eadie, who not only saved Winston Churchill's life during the Boer war but set up the platypus habitat at the Healeville Sanctuary.
The obituary stated that Robert McDougall had one son and five daughters. As indicated below they were:
SON. Alexander McDougall, married Jessie Forrester.
DAUGHTERS. 1.Caroline, married Alexander Cameron; 2. Jeannie (Jane) married Sandy Smith; 3. Maggie, married Robert Dodd; 4. Grace (d.1940 aged 77 unmarried.) 5.Helena, youngest daughter, d. 1950 aged 79 unmarried.
Birth records of children (1854-1879) born to Robert and Margaret. Victorian BDM has only three records, as below. There are 8 records for Alexander McDougall but none with the right parents named.There were no Carolines. There was only one result for Helena, with the wrong parents named. I'm sure that Robert, author of the shorthorn stud book, would have registered the births of these three, so the lack of them on the index would seem to be the fault of Victorian BDM.
EventBirth Event registration number372 Registration year1856
Personal information
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesJane SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankine) Place of birthGLENROY
EventBirth Event registration number17766 Registration year1860
Personal information
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthGLEN
EventBirth Event registration number20589 Registration year1862
Personal information
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesGrace SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthESSE
While at Glenroy, Robert stood for parliament, not being afraid to take on his landlord, Donald Kennedy.
The only other election on account of
resignation is that of a member for North
Bourke, in room of Mr. John Thomas
Smith. The candidates for this seat already
in the field are, Messrs. Donald Kennedy,
of Melbourne, A. Mackillop, R. McDou-
gall, of Glenroy; and Wm. B. Burnley,
of Richmond. (P.4, Argus, 9-6-1853.)
Robert and his landlord,Donald Kennedy,both of Glenroy, were appointed magistrates in 1857.
P.3, The Age, 27-8-1857.)
He'd been involved in trying to improve things as early as 1849 when he wrote a very detailed open letter to John Pascoe Fawkner, whose grant was across today's Victoria St/ Rhodes Parade from the Glenroy Estate.
Paste http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4774200 into your search bar.
An advertisement placed in about 1852 by Robert McDougall showed that he was taking a keen protective interest in the Bulla area. He warned that people removing timber from the properties of Alexander Kennedy (north end of the parish of Tullamarine, including the Inverness Hotel) and John Cameron (grantee of c/a 11 Bulla Bulla, which became Robert's Warlaby) would be prosecuted.For some weird reason I can't re-find this notice. He was later to buy Cameron's grant and name it Warlaby after the stud of Major Booth. The following comes from my dictionary history of Bulla journal.
WARLABY.(Section 11, Bulla Bulla; Melway 384 J8-homestead.)
See the heritage study:
[PDF] Place: Warlaby - Hume City Council
www.hume.vic.gov.au/files/a500cc6e-5e52-49ae-864c.../warlaby_
Warlaby is of State level heritage significance for the evidence of its use as a ..... that the Bulla property was named Warlaby after the Booths' stud, probably to ...
The study stated that not much was known about Maurice Quinlan. See my journal about him. Maurice was a bookmaker and for a time lived in James Robertson Jnr.'s Aberfeldie mansion that gave the suburb its name. According to one of my informants,probably Bob Blackwell,Quinlan's son became an Australian boxing champion.
The name, Warlaby, came from the stud of Major Booth who developed the Booth strain of shorthorns of which Robert McDougall was the prime breeder in Victoria and probably Australia. This brought him into conflict with Niel Black (grantee of the northern 777 acres of Gladstone Park and Western District squatter) and Henry Stevenson* of "Niddrie" who favoured the Bates strain.
The heritage study states that Isaac Batey gave John Cameron's name for Warlaby as -- but death notices indicate that the original name was "Tobernaroy".
DIED. On the 26th inst., at Tobernaroy, Bulla Bulla, Deep Creek, Mary, the beloved wife of John Cameron, aged 42 years.(P.4, Argus,27-9-1854.)
From http://www.strathmore3041.org/farms.html
In "Memoirs of a Stockman", Harry Peck tells us that Frank Goyder, who was on Oak Park in 1880, bred racehorses and raced a few good ones such as the big chestnut, Sussex. Harry makes the apparently strange claim that Robert McDougall of "Arundel" (Melway 4,H/12) and Henry Stevenson of "Niddrie" (16, A/9) were neighbours. However they had adjoining land at Strathmore in 1880 with Henry on St. Johns and Robert on 200 acres to the north or east. Both probably bred Shorthorn cattle there, but there the similarity ended. Stevenson followed the Bates strain and was therefore a declared enemy of McDougall who supported the Booth strain.
Sandy Smith grew up on "Norwood" on the south side of Buckley St, between the Aitken Estate and North Road, Avondale Heights and would have seen plenty of his neighbour Jeannie.
SMITH - McDOUGALL - On the 24th inst., at the resi-
dence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. Hugh
M'Kail, Bulla, Alexander Smith, of the firm of King
and Cunningham, stock and station agents, Mel-
bourne, to Jeannie, second daughter of Robert
McDougall, J.P., of Arundel, Keilor.(P.1, Argus, 29-11-1881.)
Paste http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/74589268 into your search bar to see Alexander Smith's 1915 obituary.
Sandy or Jane later moved to Coilsfield which was later demolished for the construction of the Essendon Hospital. Old residents of Ardmillan Road to the north told me that a lane on the downhill side of number 39 was known as Smith's Lane because it connected the Smith house on the site of the 1857 Ardmillan mansion with Coilsfield. The owner of the Ardmillan Rd house, Sandy and Jane's only son, was named after his maternal grandfather and the house was obviously named after John Rankin's Roseneath Cottage at Kensington.
SMITH.— On February 4, at his
home, "Roseneath," 33 Ard-
millan-road,, Moonee Ponds, Robert
McDougall, only son of the late
Alexander and Jane Smith, "Coils-
field, Moonee Ponds, and brother
of Heather.(P.2, The Age, 6-2-1952.)
DODD - McDOUGALL - On the 21st December, at
Corswall, Moonee Ponds, by The Rev. Alex.
Marshall D.D., Robert Dodd to Maggie, third
daughter of the late Robert McDougall, Arun-
del. (P.9, Argus, 13-1-1900.)
MAGGIE'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number6800 Registration year1935
Personal information
Family nameDODD Given namesMargaret SexFemale Father's nameMCDOUGALL Robert Mother's nameMargt (Rankin) Place of birth Place of deathHAWTHORN Age74
McDOUGALL (MacDougall) - On June
28, at her home, 9 McMillan street,
Elsternwick, Helena, youngest daughter
of the late Robert McDougall, of
Arundel, Keilor, and late of Holmes
road, Moonee Ponds, in her 79th year.
McDOUGALL - On June 28, at Elstern-
wick, Miss Helena McDougall, vice-
president and foundress (with her sis-
ter, Miss Grace McDougall*) of the
Melbourne Branch of the British Union
for Abolition of Vivisection (By re-
quest, no flowers.) (P.19. Argus, 30-6-1950.)
* EventDeath Event registration number6010 Registration year1940
Personal information
Family nameMCDOUGALL Given namesGrace SexFemale Father's nameMCDOUGALL Robert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthESSENDON Place of deathMOONEE PONDS Age77
To identify the fifth daughter of Robert and Margaret McDougall, I assumed that A. Cameron, the other son-in-law at Robert's funeral, was Alexander and searched marriage records for this name. I then found the death record for Caroline Cameron.Her address was given in her death notice. She was buried in the Melbourne Cemetery, Carlton.
EventMarriage Event registration number6547 Registration year1885
Personal information
Family nameCAMERON Given namesAlexander SexMale Spouse's family nameMCDOUGALL Spouse's given namesCaroline
EventDeath Event registration number13848 Registration year1942
Personal information
Family nameCAMERON Given namesCaroline SexFemale Father's nameMCDOUGALL Robert Mother's nameMargaret (Rankin) Place of birthGLENROY Place of deathELSTERNWICK Age88
CAMERON.-On December 20 (suddenly),
at 9 McMillan street, Elsternwick, Caroline,
widow of Alexander Cameron, and eldest
daughter of the late Robert and Margaret
McDougall, of Arundel, Keilor, aged 88
years.(P.2, Argus, 22-12-1942.)
Robert and Margaret's only son (to outlive his father, at least)was Alexander, known as Sandy, who lived at Warlaby after his marriage before moving to Western Australia in about 1900. He probably met his future wife while on the Aitken Estate. The Forresters were early residents on James Watson's grant between McCracken St and Lincoln Road, Forrester Street, named after them, being continued west through Mar Lodge and Butzbach to Hoffmans Rd as those farms were also subdivided.
McDOUGALL—FORRESTER - On tho 9th August, at
Blairgowrie, North Brighton, by tho Rev. J. Hay, Alex
ander, only son of the late Robert M'Dougall, Arundel,
Keilor, to Jessie, youngest daughter of the late Charles
Forrester.(P.5, The Age, 11-8-1888.)
Jessie would have been soon immersed in the activities of the newly formed Oaklands Hunt Club which had been formed after a paper chase ride organised by Farquhar McCrae, who was in charge of the hunters at Glenara, which started at Warlaby. And who do you think was the first master of Foxhounds?
MASTERS OF FOXHOUNDS
1888 – 1900 Alexander McDougall (https://oaklandshunt.com.au/)
Much information about Sandy, and probably photos, will be found in THE OAKLANDS HUNT, D.F. Cameron Kennedy, the centenary history of the club.
While Robert was on the Aitken Estate he'd issued strict instructions about what to do with straying cattle so that his breeding program wouldn't be compromised. Endeavouring to follow instructions cost a new employee his life. See http://www.familytreecircles.com/dr-john-dunbar-tweedale-pioneer-of-essendon-and-the-mornington-peninsula-vic-aust-67582.html
ROBERT McDOUGALL AND JOHN AITKEN.
A passage in Robert's obituary at the start of the journal concerns me regarding its accuracy. The claim that he arrived in November 1841 could be accurate or just a little bit out but the main concern is that John Aitken was said to be a fellow passenger.
"From Cona,
Mr.McDougall removed to a property near
Essendon, which he rented from the late
Mr. Aitken, who came to the colonies in the
same vessel as Mr. McDougall. Another
fellow passenger was the late Mr. David
McLaws, of Tower-hill, near Koroit, and it is
a notable thing that several of the passengers
by this ship, who came to Australia equipped
with little more than stout hearts and
willing hands, all became successful colonists,
and died wealthy."
John Aitken of Mount Aitken arrived much earlier, from Van Dieman's Land, soon after John Batman had signed his treaty and had decided where he'd squat before his sheep, the ones that survived, had to carried ashore near Arthurs Seat in 1836 when the Chili went aground on a sandbank. An article, or perhaps a heritage study, about John Aitken or Mount Aitken that I read some years ago, stated, as I remember, that he had crossed at Solomon's Ford, heading west to the east branch of Kororoit Creek and then north towards Mt Aitken following a track that became the Calder Highway. This was the basis of my assumption that he had purchased section 8 Doutta Galla, (whose south west corner at the bottom of Melway 27 F8 was only 1200 metres from Solomons Ford) as a depot to rest his sheep being driven to market.
FROM DHOTAMA, PAGE Mc.33.
Robert McDougall's biography in VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS 1888, stated that he arrived in 1842. It is possible that his ship was placed in quarantine for a month or so before he was allowed to go ashore to explain the variation from the claim in his obituary that he arrived in November 1841. Unfortunately, I only copied snippets of Robert's biography, such as Robert being on Glenroy for 14 years and the Aitken Estate for 10 years, but 29 years later, I still recall that it mentioned the success achieved by many of his fellow passengers. I did not record this but I'm sure that if John Aitken's name had been mentioned as an example, I would have done so.
Of interest is that Harry Peck had stated in MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN that Harry Delahey had married one of Robert McDougall's daughters. H.H.Peck was wrong but not by much because the Dodds and Delaheys were related and Robert Dodd (probably the son of George Dodd)married Maggie, the third daughter of Robert McDougall.
Most of the genealogy that I have provided here was in the DHOTAMA entry, obtained from Angela Evans' KEILOR PIONEERS:DEAD MEN DO TELL TALES. Margaret Rankin had been born in Hobart on 14-12-1835. There were also photocopied excerpts from Harry Huntington Peck's book and the catalogue of the Arundel herd to be sold on 1-12-1887, maps showing properties, rate book details etc*. Any descendants who would like the Mc. file could private message me requesting it and providing an email address to which I can send it.
*For example, Alexander McDougall was born at Glenroy in 1859. He did not move to Western Australia in 1900 as I wrongly stated before. In 1900 he moved to Camperdown but by 1907 he was a stipendary steward of the Western Australia Turf Club. Appointed chairman of Stipendary stewards in 1909, he retained the position until 1928 when he retired. He died while visiting a friend aboard S.S.Chitral at Fremantle in 1938* aged 79.
*This is wrong! Alexander died in 1937. Thanks to Janilye, I might be able to give the link for the report of his funeral. Trove
Were there two John Aitkens? A trove search in the 1840's revealed that there was a John C.Aitken but Isaac Batey referred to the grantee of Mount Aitken in this way. I have found no reference to John Aitken returning home circa 1840 which would account for a return voyage to Port Phillip in 1841-2.
While trying to confirm or disprove the claim that Robert McDougall had come out on the same ship as John Aitken, I found that Robert McDougall had been an auctioneer and was secretary of the Moonee Ponds Farmers' Society when it had changed its name.
TO-MORROW, JULY 14.
Unreserved Sale of first-rate
Dairy Cows.
MR. R. MCDOUGALL
Is instructed to sell, at the Market Yards,
TO-MORROW (Wednesday), 14th. Inst ,
at One o'clock, p. m.,
30 VERY SUPERIOR DAIRY COWS
springing, and with young Calves.
Lonsdale-street,
July 12th, 1847.(P. 3, The Melbourne Argus, 13-7-1847.)
THIS DAY, (Tuesday), 14th INSTANT,
at the Market Yards,
TWO TEAMS OF WORKING BUL-
LOCKS.
ROBERT MCDOUGALL.
Lonsdale-street,
September 14, 1847 (P.3, The Melbourne Argus, 14-9-1847.)
THE (late) MOONEE PONDS FARMERS
SOCIETY.
To the Editor of the Argus.
Sir, — At a meeting of the Committee of Ma-
nagement of the above Society, which took place
pursuant to advertisements, at the store of Messrs
Thomson and Duncan, Great Bourke-street, Mel-
bourne, on the 18th of August last, the enclosed
Rules und Regulations, for the ensuing match,
were approved of unanimously by the Committee.
The most important alteration from the original
Code, as you will observe, was changing the name
"Moonee Ponds Farmers' Society " to " Port
Phillip Farmers' Society."
The Committee sanguinely hope that by thus
changing the name of the Society, the sphere of
its operations and usefulness will be extended ; and
that outlandish folks will have no plausible ex-
cuse for not furthering the good cause. The
Committee also confidently expect that the Editor
of the Argus (from his having from the outset
taken such a warm interest in the proceedings of
the Society,) will give an insertion to their Rules
in his far-famed journal. Hoping yet to have the
pleasure to meet you " amang the rigs o' bar-
ley,"
I remain, Sir,
Your most obedient servant,
ROBERT McDOUGALL
Secretary.
Glen Roy,
9th October, 1848.(P.2, Argus, 10-10-1848.)
Neil Mansfield's magnificent Bulla Cemetery Index shows that one of Alexander McDougall's sons died while he was on "Warlaby" whose homestead at Melway 384 J8 is heritage-listed.
1345 McDOUGALL Archibald William 3M 00/10/1895 00/00/1896 06/01/1896 Presb. 1 13 Son of Alexander McDougall & Janet Forrester. Died in Bulla, Victoria, Australia.
ROBERT ROWLEY OF RYE STARTED HIS MARRIED LIFE AT DROMANA (VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.)
THEY STARTED THEIR MARRIED LIFE IN DROMANA!
EventDeath Event registration number14401 Registration year1911
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesRobt SexUnknown Father's nameRowley Jas Mother's nameElizth (King) Place of birth Place of deathPt Nepean Age89
EventDeath Event registration number12094 Registration year1924
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesChristina SexFemale Father's nameEDWARDS William Mother's nameElizth (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathSORRENTO Age88
MARRIAGES.
By the Rev. J. Smithies, at the House of
Mr. Joseph Tongs, Illawarra, Christina Ed-
wards, the only daughter of Mr. William Ed-
wards of Newborough, Fife, Scotland, to Mr.
Robert Rowley, of Dromana, Victoria.
(P.2, Launceston Examiner, 1-1-1861.)
Distance from Illawarra, Tasmania to Longford, Tasmania?
4 min (4.0 km) via Illawarra Rd/B52 and B51
DROMANA- BORN CHILDREN.
EventBirth Event registration number5104 Registration year1862
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesElizabeth SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristia (Edwards) Place of birthDROM
EventBirth Event registration number14380 Registration year1866
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesMary Christina SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthDROMANA
(Robert Rowley was working at Dromana for Peter Pidoto who married Frances Taylor. Mary Christina married the brother of Frances, William Taylor Jnr., if I remember correctly.
EventMarriage Event registration number4442 Registration year1883
Personal information
Family nameTAYLOR Given namesWilliam SexMale Spouse's family nameROWLEY Spouse's given namesMary Christina)
WHILE ON RYE FORESHORE OR ON SELECTION ON WEST SIDE OF TRUEMANS RD.
EventBirth Event registration number10773 Registration year1863
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesFrank SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristian (Edwards) Place of birthVICT* (SEE DEATH RECORD)
(*EventDeath Event registration number21428 Registration year1948
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesFrancis SexMale Father's nameROWLEY Robert Mother's nameChristina (Edward) Place of birthRYE Place of deathSALE Age85)
EventBirth Event registration number21465 Registration year1864
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesWilliam SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthTOOT
EventBirth Event registration number5965 Registration year1868
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesRichard SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthTOOTGAROOK
EventBirth Event registration number25484 Registration year1869
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesRobenea SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthTOOTGAROOK
EventBirth Event registration number26808 Registration year1871
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthTOOT
EventBirth Event registration number27642 Registration year1873
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesJames SexUnknown Father's nameRobt Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthTOOTGAROOK
EventBirth Event registration number19965 Registration year1875
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesEmma SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthTOOT
EventBirth Event registration number5750 Registration year1877
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesRobert SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthTOOTGAROOK
EventBirth Event registration number19645 Registration year1878
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesJohn SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthTO OT
EventBirth Event registration number6049 Registration year1881
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesMartha Rebekah SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristian (Edwards) Place of birthTOO
EventBirth Event registration number27002 Registration year1883
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesAdeline Maude SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthTOOT
ROLL OF HONOUR 1914-1918, ROSEBUD, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.
Every Anzac Day, a large crowd assembles near the Edna Dunk memorial clock to honour our Anzacs. Tonight I discovered that the Dromana Historical Society and the Dromana R.S.L. have received funding for an Anzac Centenary project but the Rosebud lads will not be included. This has prompted me to write about those named on Rosebud Primary School's ROLL OF HONOUR. Few of those who assemble for the Anzac Day ceremony would be aware of the roll of honour and the Rosebud R.S.L. may well be unaware of its existence. Those most likely to know about the Roll of Honour are the youngsters from Rosebud Primary School where it is displayed prominently near the office. It honours former pupils of the school. In 2010,I recorded the names of those who served in W.W.1 when I started my research into the history of Rosebud and the Mornington Peninsula and last year,on Anzac Day, I wrote a short journal about the Anzacs from Rosebud and Tullamarine.
My search for information about the roll of honour and those named on it is not going to be as easy as I thought it would be, but the following is of interest.
Land subdivision in the Rosebud area made building blocks available and additional families settled in the area. Rosebud State School, number 2627, was served by a number of Head Teachers over the years and when war broke out in 1914 Mr Charles Perrin was in charge. He volunteered for war service in the last term of 1915 and was replaced as Head Teacher by Mr Andrew Allingham who was to stay on as Head Teacher until the end of 1927.
(Postscript, 8:20 a.m. 25-4-2014. After checking the details of the service at Rosebud, I thought I'd google ANZAC, ROSEBUD, HOBLEY to see what would come up. It seems that Dick Hobley and A.A.Allingham, of Rosebud who died circa 1992, were associated with a unit based in Western Australia during W.W.2.
PioneerStory#21 History 2:2 - pioneerbattalion.com.au
www.pioneerbattalion.com.au/.../pioneerstory002321-history-2003a2.pd...
Aug 2, 1992 - from Dick Hobley from Esperance with apologies. )
Local men who joined the Army are listed on the 1914-18 Honour Roll which has been kept at the school. For many years it hung over the fireplace in Room 2 but is now mounted on the wall outside the office.
Mr Charles Perrin, the former Head Teacher, was killed in action in 1918.
(History - Rosebud Primary School
www.rosebudps.vic.edu.au/index.php/history)
ROLL OF HONOUR 1914-1918.(*= SUPREME SACRIFICE.)
ADAMS R.W,; BAKER E.; CAIRNS G.B., C; CARLETON G; CONNOP J.E.; COUPER G.; CORNELL P., JAMES, JOHN;
DUNK L.A.; HOBLEY R.?*, G.,J; JAMES E.; McCORMICK K.; McGILLVRAY JAMES*,JOHN, ARCH.,ALF.,ANDREW;
PEATEY J.E.*,G.; PERRIN C.R.*; PETERS S.; POTTON S.; RIGG N.,C; WICKHAM G.,W., H.
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POSTSCRIPT 31-5-2014,ROSEBUD R.S.L. ROLL OF HONOUR.
See comment of this date (American time)regarding George Parry, J.E.Peatey's death and discovery of the following information. Those listed on the R.S.L. Roll of Honour enlisted at Rosebud. The information is placed here for easy comparison of the two rolls.
R.S.L.ROLL OF HONOUR.
W.R.ADAMS, G.B.CAIRNS, *R.D.CAIRNS, F.CHILTON, R.E.CHILTON,E.J.EDMONDS, C.W.GREENFIELD, A J.HOUNSLOW, E.JAMES, A.PEATEY,G.PEATEY,*J.E.PEATEY, *C.R.PERRIN, S.POTTON, R.TUTE. (PRESENTED BY MR.JAS.LOGAN.)
FRAMED NEAR THE ROLL.
ROSEBUD'S A.I.F. CONTINGENT.
KILLED IN ACTION.
REUBEN CAIRNS,CHAS. PERRIN,JOHN PEATEY,RICHARD HOBLEY.
RETURNED FROM ACTIVE SERVICE.
GEORGE PEATEY-MILITARY MEDAL AND BAR,FRENCH AND BELGIAN (DUAL) CROIX DE GUERRE.
CHAS. CAIRNS-MERITORIOUS SERVICE MEDAL.
WM.ADAMS,FRANK AND RICHARD CHILTERN, CHAS. GREENFIELD, ERIC JAMES, ARTHUR HOUNSLOW,ALFRED PEATEY, HAROLD McCORMICK,WALTER STOREY,CLIFFORD TUTE, STANLEY POTTON,EDWARD EDMONDS.
All enlisted from Rosebud.
NOTES.
Peatey is written as Peaty in the framed information and the spelling of Chilton/Chiltern* also varies. E.J.Edmonds (or his son)was known as Ned and was related to the Williams family of "Eastbourne".Arthur Hounslow was probably related by marriage to the Peateys.
(*The correct spelling would appear to be Chilton and the family may have been living on Tute land west of Jetty Rd.
Bush Fires. ROSEBUD.
Mornington Standard (Frankston, Vic. : 1911 - 1920) Saturday 31 January 1914 p 2 Article
... Bush Fires. ROSEBUD. A fire, which threatened for a time to cause serious damage, occurred at ... of wind carrying the fire to the west caused the house occupied by Mr Chilton to be in danger for a ... 294 words)
I had recently stumbled across an article involving Rosebud's Mrs Tute and the Empire.
AT ROSEBUD.
Fine weather favored the Empire Day celebrated at Rosebud on Friday, 22nd May. In the morning the scholars, under their teacher(Mr Perrin) assisted by the members of the school committee and a number of parents and friends assembled in front of the school to perform the ceremony of saluting the flag, followed by three hearty cheers for " King, Queen, and Empire."
The gathering then proceeded into the schoolroom, which was gaily decorated for the occasion. Here interesting addresses were delivered by Mrs Clifford Tute (late of India) and Mr Alexander, J.P. Mrs Tute spoke of the power of the British Empire, its vast extent and its varied peoples.(P.2,Mornington Standard, 30-5-1914.)
It was no surprise to find this.
ROSEBUD.
A meeting of the Rosebud Patriotic Committee was held in the hall on 3rd February. Mrs D. Bucher, one of the
vice-presidents, occupied the chair, and there was a good attendance of members.A letter was read from Mrs. Clifford Tute resigning her position as President of the committee, owing to her approaching visit to Europe. Mrs Tute's resignation was accepted with regret, and Mrs.D.Bucher was elected President in her place.
(P.2, Mornington Standard, 20-2-1915.)
On 29-1-1937,K.Tute was granted 626 acres 3 roods and 18 perches south of Waterfall Gully Rd.The Tutes were not assessed in 1910 but in 1919,Mrs Katrine Tute paid rates on 610 acres (crown allotments 30,30A,17A,16,section B,Wannaeue) and Mr Tute (probably Clifford) on 660 acres (crown allotments 3AB,4,7, 9E,9A,part 5,section B,Wannaeue.)Descriptions of properties were unreliable but the 660 acres seemed to be near Boneo Rd,part of it farmed by Donald McGillvray* in 1910.
(*See the five McGillvray boys on the state school roll of honour.)
Mrs. R. Clifford Tute, of Camphill, Dromana, is staying for a while at The Gables,Domain road, South Yarra.
(P.43,The Australasian,30-11-1918.)
First World War Embarkation Rolls - Richard Clifford Tute
Rank: Lieutenant Quartermaster
Roll title: 4 Field Ambulance (December 1914)
Conflict: First World War, 1914-1918
Date of embarkation: 22 December 1914
Place of embarkation: Melbourne
Ship embarked on: HMAT Berrima A35
Richard Clifford Tute was 40 when he embarked in 1914. He seems to have come from a very clever family which absorbed the culture of India while there. The author's birth year (1874) matches that of the Rosebud resident.
Details - The AIF Project
www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=306788
Richard Clifford TUTE ... Next of kin, Catherine Tute, Rosebud, Victoria ... Embarkation details, Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board Transport A35 ...
Permalink to this record - State Library of New South Wales ...
library.sl.nsw.gov.au/record=b3626009~S2
Selections. Translations from Omar Khayyam / by Richard Clifford Tute, Clifford Sherlock Tute. ... Published, Malvern, Vic : McKellar Press, 1919.
My apologies for the over-emphasis on one person,but my curiosity knows no bounds.
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A BIT OF LOCAL HISTORY.
You may be thinking that the roll of honour does not contain many names. This is why.
At the start of world war 1, Rosebud was a sleepy fishing village with most of its residents living in the fishing village itself,that is the house blocks fronting the beach between the present Village Green and the east end of the foreshore board walk. The Peateys, whose tale is told in Rosalind Peatey's PINE TREES AND BOX THORNS (available in the local history room at the Rosebud library) had been living across McDowell St from the school since 1888 but they were among the very few living on the inland side of Pt Nepean Rd.
Captain Henry Everest Adams was probably the first resident of Rosebud* but the year of his arrival is unclear; the Dromana Pioneer Pathway gives it as 1845. He is said to have beached his schooner at Adams' Corner (site of the McCrae carwash) and used its timber to build a cottage. With the help of his son,Robert Henry,the cottage was extended or replaced with a larger dwelling that served for many years as a guest house named Hopetoun House (later Merlyn Lodge), named in honour of the Governor, Lord Hopetoun, who often stayed there on the way to inspect the fort at Pt Nepean. The land between The Avenue and Parkmore Ave,,crown allotment 20, Wannaeue,seems to have been reserved for a village (and may have been leased from the Crown by the Captain) until about 1877 when lots in Wannaeue Village were advertised for sale. By 1864, the captain owned crown allotment 19, east to Adams Avenue, which had been granted to his friend, Isaac White. In the land boom of the 1880's a developer had bought crown allotment 19 and some blocks between South St and the beach were sold but when the bust hit,most of the land reverted to Robert Adams' ownership. Parkmore, built by Albert Holloway in 1896, was on this early subdivision.
(*Edward Hobson had earlier squatted on the Safety Beach area and then Tootgarook, built a lime kiln near Marks Ave, Rosebud West, and Hobson's Flat near Rosebud was named after him, but he did not seem to have lived in the Rosebud area.)
The Cornells were holiday makers (as far as I'm aware)and must have stayed for some time if the children attended school at Rosebud. A street is named after the family. (Melway 159 B10.) In 1910 June Connell of Caulfield owned "6 acres and building" which according to ROSEBUD:FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA was on part of a large tract of land on Arthurs Seat where George Smythe , a Flemington tanner,had planted a wattle plantation and built the hut for his caretaker. William John and Mrs Caroline Coburn were farmers living at Springbank
(88 acres) whose homestead was burnt to the ground only a few years later. The Coburns were related to the Burrells and had bought some of the Arthurs Seat pre-emptive right,Catherine Burrell retaining only 70 acres.
The Burrells, Cornells and Coburns seem to have been the only families occupying houses on the bay side of the road to Cape Schanck between the rocks and Adam's Corner. The Arthurs Seat homestead, now on only 40 acres, was advertised for sale in 1925.
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 1925
At Half past Two O Clock On the Property I Have Received Instructions from The Trustees Executors, and Agency Co. Ltd., of 412 Collins Street, Melbourne, as Executors of the Will of the Late Miss Burrell, to SELL by PUBLIC AUCTION the Property Described Hereunder: -
All That Piece of Land, being Lot 3 on Plan of Subdivision No. 3123, Being Part of Crown Portion 1, Sec. B, Parish of Wannaeue, Containing 40 Acres, or Thereabouts.
This property, Known as Arthur's Seat, is Situated on the Rosebud Road (Opposite Light-house) 2 Miles from Dromana P. O., Excellent Panoramic Views of the Coastline from Higher Portion of Property, 5 Minutes from Beach.
The Buildings Consist of on Old 8-roomed Wattle and Dab Homestead, with Cowsheds and Fowlhouses of Iron, ?-acre Orchard, Fences in Fair Order.
Title, Certificate. TERMS.:- One-quarter Cash, Balance in 30 Days. Immediate Possession.
Solicitors:- -Messrs. W. S. Cook and McCallum of 60 Queen Street, Melbourne.For Further Particulars Apply to
S. L. BUTLER, auctioneer, and estate agent, Mornington. Tel. 131.(P.3, Argus, 28-10-1925.
The land between Adams Avenue and Jetty Rd,crown allotment 18,was subdivided before 1875 when it was bought by Robert White but only one block,lot 86 was sold. This two acre block on the FJ's corner was the site of a shop built by Jack Jones,Rosebud's only shop for many years. In about 1892 the remaining 150 acres passed into the ownership of the Bamford family and later the Potton family of Brunswick. An entire chapter of the late Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD is devoted to HENRY POTTON'S FARM. This area was subdivided by DeGaris, a developer who committed suicide twice. Obviously his first effort was faked and he was nabbed as he disembarked in New Zealand. His house (19 Mitchell St), which he called Wahgunyah is heritage-listed and was probably the only house standing on c/a 18 at the start of the war.
Between Jetty Rd and the line of Norm Clark Walk was c/a 17. This had been subdivided before 1878 when George and Susan Peatey bought lot 76. A much smaller school site was bought in the 1880's but this subdivision was not much more successful than that on c/a 18. Vale,the estate agent, revived the subdivision about three decades later. Between Norm Clark Walk and First Avenue were crown allotments 16 and 15 which were subdivided as the CLACTON-ON-SEA ESTATE, which is also the subject of a chapter in Peter Wilson's book. Despite raffles conducted on steamers and competitions on the radio with free blocks as prizes this subdivision also met with little success. Many who did buy blocks forfeited them through non-payment of rates and Peter detailed how the shire and charitable groups redeveloped the Banksia Place area near Eastbourne Rd in fairly recent times.
At the start of world war 1,there were two houses between First Avenue and Boneo Rd,Hindhope Villa (50 First Avenue) and "The Thicket", situated on the large round reserve at the end of The Drive. Crown allotment 14 had been split into four properties of 29, 29,40 and 16 acres. In 1910, one of the first two was owned by Gregory Rigg,farmer, and the other was bought by his wife soon afterward. Together,these made Hindhope,which fronted Pt Nepean Rd and included 50 First Avenue and all the Hope St house blocks.Also in 1910,Ramsay Couper owned the 40 acre block and Nora Couper the 16 acre block which together constituted "The Thicket". Last night,I found an article about the Rosebud Park Estate,which was almost certainly The Thicket.
SITES AT ROSEBUD.
Old Homestead Property.
Community settlement methods have been applied to the lay- out of the Rosebud Park Estate. An old family home has been made the pivotal point of a plan which begins with a direct avenue from the house to the Rosebud beach, and extends in circular and radial roads over a wide area of beautiful timbered country, with a
long frontage to the Boneo road...... A very large central recreation park been preserved around the
old homestead, which is to be used probably as a cafe or clubhouse.
(The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Tuesday 20 December 1927 p 6 Article.)
The land from Boneo Rd to Chinaman's Creek contained two houses at the start of world war 1,"Eleanora Davey Cairns'"Eleanora",which still stands in the Rosebud Hospital and the Wong-Shing house on the market garden near the creek.
The known houses on the south side of Pt Nepean Rd at the start of W.W.1, from the rocks(Anthony's Nose) to Chinaman's Creek, were therefore the McCrae Homestead,the Cornells' house, the new Springbank, Hopetoun House, Parkmore, Wahgunyah, the schoolmaster's house in the state school grounds,the charred remains of the Peatey house on lot 76 of c/a 17 behind the school,possibly the McDowell house (lots 77,79 and part 75 with building on c/a 17 in 1919), Rosebud Ted Cairns (lots 49-54 of c/a 17), the homesteads of Hindhope and The Thicket, Eleanora and the market garden house. The residences of soldiers listed on the roll of honour not known to have occupied any of the above houses were most likely in the fishing village, farming properties (to be specified) or on crown allotment 17.
Many of the fishing village blocks had become holiday homes or vacant blocks owned by such as the Buchers, Judith Mavis Cock's great grandmother (Emily Durham),Eva Dunk of Williamstown, George Fountain (North Melbourne's last Mayor) and Arthur Boyd's maternal grandmother (Mrs Evelyn Gough of St Kilda.)
Thus the names on the roll of honour constitute a considerable proportion of Rosebud's permanent population.
Service details come from THE A.I.F.PROJECT.
ADAMS
R.W.Adams was almost surely Robert William Adams, better known as Billy, who is not listed in the A.I.F. PROJECT. Billy who bought Keith McGregor's carrying business (see under Len Dunk) was born in 1886.He married a Miss Pain,who died, and later Miss Hill.
"Robert Henry Adams'youngest boy Robert William Adams would have been the Billy Adams,Mabel's brother, who bought Keith McGregor's run to the city. Born at Tootgarook in 1886,he married a widow (nee Pain) in 1914,who gave birth to Edith in 1915 but died two days later. Billy went to war in 1916 leaving the baby with her maternal grandmother. He returned minus a foot. In 1921 he married Mabel Gertrude Hall. Dorothy Mabel,their third child was born in 1926 at Boneo and married Fred Parker. They had a son,whom they named Dean."
(ADAMS'CORNER, R.F.Gibb,2010.)
DEATHS
ADAMS-On the 31st March at his son's residence, Rosebud, Robert H., beloved husband of the late Mary Jane*, of Hopetoun House, Rosebud ; loved father of Henry, Emma (deceased), Eva (Mrs. Dunk) Flora (Mrs Freeman), Mary (deceased) Helen (Mrs. Harvey), William (of Rosebud), May (Mrs McGregor),Edith (Mrs Reeves), aged 96 years. Very old resident. (The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 1 April 1937 p 1 Family Notices)
BAKER.
There was more than one Baker family in Rosebud.
PAGE 86,ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD,Peter Wilson.
A wound to his ankle suffered during W.W.1 caused Harry Baker to walk with a limp,throwing his right leg forward. Harry lived in a house situated at 9-11 Rosebud Pde and rented a shop in the Broadway Theatre building, almost opposite his house, where he sold green groceries. He used a Dodge ute to buy stock at the Victoria Market and to do Saturday deliveries. On the last school day in 1939, the pupils at Rosebud State School were surprised at a visit from Father Christmas but were probably equally surprised to find that there were two men who walked exactly the same way. The smarter ones knew immediately that Santa was Harry!
CAIRNS
I have suggested in another journal that there was a relationship between the Cairns family, early pioneers of Boneo, and members of the Cairns family living in the parish of Lyndhurst. This seems to be confirmed by Godfrey Brown Cairns' name being on the Rosebud roll of honour. Godfrey Brown Cairns was involved in a story that I have called SHOVEL TROUBLE AT ROSEBUD, which was almost warfare between Robert Henry Adams and Back Road Bob Cairns (Godfrey's father) where the latter had diverted storm water across the former's crown allotment 19 land. William Henry Hobley was caught in no man's land, being a neighbour of both, and the unpleasantness may have prompted his move to the Leongatha area. The whole story may be found by googling HOBSON'S FLAT DRAINAGE, Hobson's Flat road being today's Bayview Rd.
ASSAULT AND THREATENING LANGUAGE.
At the Dromana Police Court on Tuesday before S. Smallman, Esq, P.M., and Mr Rudduck; J.P., Godfrey Brown Cairns, Rosebud, charged Robert H. Adams, Rosebud, with assault on July 18. etc.
(P.5, Mornington Standard,5-8-1905.)
16080 CAIRNS, Godfrey Brown Lyndhurst, Victoria Field Artillery Brigade 4, Reinforcement 6
2785 CAIRNS, Christopher Ernest Flinders, Victoria 37th Battalion, 6th Reinforcement
The following are not on the roll of honour but are members of the same family.
27757 CAIRNS, Archibald Flinders, Victoria Field Artillery Brigade 15, Reinforcement 6
3535 CAIRNS, Ernest Charles Joseph Boneo via Dromana, Victoria 8th Light Horse Regiment, 31st Reinforcement
603 CAIRNS, Reuben Rosebud, Dromana, Victoria 9th Light Horse Regiment, 2nd Reinforcement
CARLETON
I wonder if this was supposed to be Chilton. See comments.
1058 CARLETON, Gordon Henry Glenarm, Sorrento, Victoria 6th Battalion, C Company
No connection between G.Carleton and Rosebud has been found on trove. I therefore did a search for Carelton, Sorrento. There is quite some detail about the Carleton family in Jennifer Nixon's SORRENTO, PORTSEA, FAMILY, CONNECTIONS. The link with Rosebud could be through the Hiscock family.
HISCOCK-CARLETON -On the 20th March, at St. Andrews Church, Middle Brighton, by the
Rev. Canon Hancock, Rupert Dolphin eldest son of the late W. H. Hiscock and Mrs. Hiscock, of Middle Brighton, to Aileen Mary, third daughter of the late Mr G. Carleton and Mrs H.Thompson, of Sorrento.(P.11,Argus,7-5-1921.)
CARLETON.
?On the 22nd December, George William, Abbotsford road, Mayne, Brisbane, late of Sorrento, Victoria, eldest son of Geo. Carleton(Sunbury) and Helen Thompson (deceased, of Sorrento), brother of Grace (Mrs. Chaffe), Ida (Mrs. Glenwright), Gordon, Aileen (Mrs. Hiscock), and Vivian (Mrs. Peasley), aged 43 years.
(Inserted by his loving sisters and brother.) P.1, Argus, 24-12-1931.
Mornington Peat Deposits. Fertiliser Plant to be Installed. LONDON, Oct. 27.
Mr Walter Hiscock, of Melbourne, in conjunction with Mr E Lloyd Pease, of Stockton-on -Tees chemical works, has arranged to establish a plant at Mornington Peninsula for the production of a new fertiliser from Mornington's unique peat deposits.
The site selected by Mr Hiscock lies between Rosebud and Rye, in what is known as Boneo Swamp, on the Mornington Peninsula. In the district there is an immense deposit of valuable peat composed of decayed vegetable matter, guano and sea shells, which tests have shown to be of a great value, after a process of destructive distillation as a fertiliser. The deposit is from 1ft to 8ft in depth, and extends towards Cape Schanck. In places it is exposed on the surface. Up to the present the output has been limited owing to the difficulty of handling and transport. It is expected that within 12 months the works will be established.
(P.29,Argus, 28-10-1922.)
HISCOCK -On October 16 at his residence. Nee Morna, Sorrento, Walter George, loved husband of Florence, and father of Maud, May, Dorothy,Reita, Dick, and Pegs.
(P.14,Argus, 17-10-1950.)
Although his involvement at Rosebud West may not have started before W.W.1, Walter Hiscock was probably known in Rosebud before that. He was the Crown grantee of the whole of section 10, bounded by Pasley St, Palmerston Ave (the freeway), Grant St and Clarendon St, in the township of Dromana, on 13-2-1906.
Ron Doig told me of the tram line that ran up the east side of Truemans Rd to transport the fertiliser. He also told me that a plane that had crash-landed in the Boneo swamp had taken off on the south side of Hiscock's house, roughly the course of Broadway. Hiscock had been the manager of the Tootgarook Land Company. It is possible that Carleton had been included on the Rosebud roll of honour because of his connection with Hiscock, just as Bill Parr's son in law, Furphy, had been included on the Tullamarine War Memorial.
CONNOP
4676 CONNOP, Jack Edward Moorooduc, Victoria 23rd Battalion, 12th Reinforcement
It is likely that Edmund Connop was related to the above.
799 CONNOP, Edmund Moorooduc, Victoria 22nd Battalion, D Company
Edward Connop married Ellen,daughter of Ned and Mary (nee Campbell)Williams.In 1900,Edward Connop occupied land on Browns Rd,east of Truemans Rd,that had been granted to Ned.
WILLIAMS.-On September 9, at Eastbourne, Rosebud West, Edward Thomas son of the late Edward and Mary Williams, beloved brother of James, Caroline, Ellen(Mrs. Connop, deceased), Marion (Mrs.Edmonds, deceased), aged 91 years. -At rest.(P.11,Argus, 10-9-1947) P.S. James Williams died the next day!
The following death notice proves that at least one of the Moorooduc Connops was the son of Edward and Ellen.
CONNOP -On October 13 at the residence of her son, Mornington road, Tyabb, Ellen wife of the late Edward Connop, in her (89th?) year.(P.4, Argus,14-10-1941.)
CORNELL.
The only P.Cornell listed was from New South Wales. As June Connell of Caulfield was assessed in 1910,it is highly likely that the following soldier was related to her.
35014 CORNELL, James Leslie Kooyong Road, Caulfield, Victoria Field Artillery Brigade, Reinforcement 27
Despite the Murrayville address,the following may have been the letter writer (below) of 1941 and also related to June. As he obviously preferred his second given name,he was probably the P.Cornell listed on the roll of honour.
22226 CORNELL, Henry Percy Murrayville, Victoria Engineering Field Companies, General Reinforcements
The Roll of honour lists P., James and John Cornell so the next entry is indicative that Percy and John had left home together in search of land or employment and that their mother might have been a Coburn.
2114 CORNELL, John Coburn Murrayville, Victoria 7th Battalion, 6th Reinforcement
R2114 CORNELL, John Coburn 7th Battalion, 21st Reinforcement
The Cornell family's contribution was obviously not confined to World War 1.
MONEY FOR WAR EFFORT
Sir,-Few people admit a responsibility for maximum war effort. An authoritative leader is required to compel all to do what is advisable. The energies of the Australian people are being directed to a war effort thus:
-(1) The men who have enlisted are obviously all in. (2) Those in factories producing war material are doing something. (3) Those who are producing and distributing may or may not be diverting any service to war
ends. The only way to divert the people's services to a war effort is through the pay envelope. Don't leave it to individuals to invest or not in war savings certificates. Assess the soldiers' effort as datum and compel groups Nos. 2 and 3 to contribute all income above that of No. 1 to war savings certificates. Non-war services
should be reduced to the minimum. After the war many may have to stand down for returned men, and this would be
offset somewhat by substantial credits in war savings certificates
-Yours, &c, Rosebud. H. PERCY CORNELL. (P.8, Argus,26-4-1941, MONEY FOR WAR EFFORT.)
COUPER
These are the only two whose given names start with G.
2347 COUPER, George Arthur Kelvin, Banksia Street, Botany, New South Wales 4th Battalion, 7th Reinforcement
11692 COUPER, Guy 64 Station Street, Box Hill, Victoria Supply Column 3, Army Service Corps 26
After a tedious examination of genealogical websites,I have found that Ramsay and Nora Couper died in the Donvale area and that they and their son,Guy and other family members are buried in the Box Hill cemetery. Guy's father was R.G.H.Couper (Ramsay George Henry!)
Couper Doris 2001 AIL 0659
Couper Guy 1973 CE 1945
Couper Nora 1925 CE 1944
Couper Ramsay George Henry 1949 CE 1945
Couper Sybel 1976 CE 1944
DUNK
7000 DUNK, Leonard Alexander 24 Hunter Street, West Brunswick, Victoria 14th Battalion, 23rd Reinforcement
Len Dunk had followed Jimmy the Squid Williams of Eastbourne and Keith McGregor in providing a passenger service to the Mornington railhead,also picking up the catches of fish from the side of Pt Nepean Rd. Keith,who had married Mabel Adams, introduced motorised transport while living at the homestead of "The Thicket". When Keith moved with his brother to wheat farm near (Stawell?) in about 1922,he sold his business to Mabel's brother Billy (who was probably R.W.Adams,the first entry on the roll of honour but not listed in the A.I.F. PROJECT.) Billy must have later sold it to his brother in law,Len Dunk.(Billy and Mabel's sister,Eva, had married Andrew Dunk.)
Len's run was timed to meet the train at Mornington but did not allow for punctures!
TRUCK DRIVER FINED
RUSHING FISH TO MARKET.
Leonard Dunk, carrier, of Rosebud,was charged at the Frankston court with having driven a motor truck weighing less than three tons and fitted with pneumatic tyres at a speed in excess of 30 miles an hour on Pt. Nepean road on April 2. Constable Fraser said he followed defendant's truck along Pt.Nepean road towards Frankston for two miles. The speed registered ranged from 35 to 46 miles an hour.
Dunk, on oath, said he had some trouble with a tyre on his truck which caused him to miss a train at Mornington. As he had fish on his truck for the Melbourne market he drove on to Frankston in an endeavour to catch the train there. Defendant, who admitted prior conviction for a similar offence was fined ?4 with 12/6 costs. (P.1, Frankston and Somerville Standard,18-7-1931.)
In 1920, Mrs Eva Dunk of West Brunswick was assessed lot 8 and buildings,part Crown allotment 20, section B,Wannaeue. ( Lot 8 of C/A 20 is roughly indicated by the northern end of Lonsdale St.) Eva was the wife of Andrew Dunk whom she had married in 1902 and it is possible that Len had moved to the big smoke in search of a job and was staying with them. (ADAMS' CORNER,R.F.Gibb,2010.)
HOBLEY
Pasted from my journal about Frederick Hobley.
Frederick Hobley was a prominent member of the Victorian Police Force. The Chief Commissioner,who had come from Scotland Yard where forensic science was well developed,reorganised the Criminal Investigation Branch in 1938.Detective training courses, run by Frederick Hobley, were organised at the headquarters in Russell St, Melbourne. Frederick was an expert in photography and ballistics. He spent much of his time in investigating baffling cases and giving expert testimony in courts.(Trove.)
Frederick's father was William Henry Hobley, who was born at Schnapper Point(Mornington)on the Mornington Peninsula,Victoria,Australia in 1857. William married Elizabeth James at Main Creek (possibly Red Hill) on the Peninsula on 11-6-1884.By 1885 William and Elizabeth were settled at Rosebud on land for which William received the grant in 1890. The International Genealogical Index-Southwest Pacific shows that their first child, William Henry Hobley, was born there on 31-8-1885. Then followed George (2-2-1887),Ethel May (2-5-1889), Joseph (1-5-1894), Charles (9-8-1896), Frederick (4-10-1898), Elizabeth Violet (26-1-1901),Harold (20-6-1904)and Samuel (17-5-1906), all born at Rosebud. Their next child, Ernest, was born at Leongatha in Gippsland on 24-8-1908
The following information was supplied in comments under the journal.
by estevard on 2012-02-09 03:24:24
William Henry HOBLEY and Elizabeth JAMES had another son, Richard, who was born around November 1891 near Dromana (presumably at Rosebud). He enlisted in the AIF on 19 September 1914 and served with the 8th Light Horse Regiment. He was at the Gallipoli landing and was killed in action on the Sinai Peninsula on 9 August 1916. His service record can be accessed at the National Archives of Australia. There is also an entry for him at http://alh-research.tripod.com/Light_Horse/index.blog/1944364/8th-lhr-roll-of-honour-richard-hobley/.
Two of his brothers, George and Joseph, also served in the AIF. Both survived.
by itellya on 2012-02-09 06:39:42
Extracts from emails sent to the editor of the Great Southern Star (Leongatha area.)
Rosebud did not forget the Hobleys; all three boys were remembered on its Roll of Honour.
If you google "Hobley, Leongatha" you will find much of the information I sent you on the first page and the 7-7-2010 (page 2, Soldiers Worth Remembering) article as item 7 on page 2 with the heading GREAT SOUTHERN STAR.
As I've stated, Joe's name was on the list, but George's wasn't. He was born in Rosebud in 1887 and the family moved to the Leongatha area sometime between the births of two children in 1906 and August, 1908. This would mean that George was about 20 when they arrived there. He enlisted in Western Australia and died there but it likely that he spent some time in your area before moving to W.A. Even though he may not have been a longtime resident, his family connection would have entitled him to inclusion under the rationale applied with most war memorials. If you google Hobley, George, A.I.F., the first three sites will be the service records of George, Joe and Dick.
In relation to George's residence in the Leongatha area, the family was there by Feb., 1907. (Morwell Advertiser 15-2-1907, page 2; Palmros v Hobley case over a lease. When George was listed as dangerously ill and then recovering, his address was given as Leongatha in both reports.
I'll attach a bit of background. I thought William Henry Hobley had drowned himself in a waterhole in 1921 during a visit to Rosebud but notices indicate that he might have resumed cab driving. He was certainly not in financial strife judging by the estate he left Elizabeth.
There were Wickhams at Rosebud at the same time as the Hobleys and both families were members of the Methodist congregation. It is interesting that there were Wickhams at Sale. It was probably W.H.Hobley's son in law who saw Jim Melrose crash at Melton South.
The Leongatha police and school and the communities at Mardan (where Fred's dad was living when he died by drowning at Rosebud in 1921) and Koorooman East (where his widow was living when granted probate of his will) might like a copy of Who am I?
William Hobley and his son were praised for travelling from Rosebud to fight a fire that started on the area now called Safety Beach and split into two fronts that threatened to engulf Dromana. (Mornington Standard 21-1-1905.
by ngairedith on 2012-02-09 06:48:07
RICHARD 'Dick' HOBLEY
Regimental number - 390
Place of birth - Rosebud, Victoria
School - Rosebud State School No. 2627, Victoria
Religion - Methodist
Occupation - Farmer
Address - Leongatha, Victoria
Marital status - Single
Age at embarkation - 23
Next of kin - Father, William Hobley, Whelans Ro, Leongatha, Victoria
Enlistment date - 19 September 1914
Embarkation details - Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board Transport A16 Star of Victoria on 25 February 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll - Sergeant
Unit from Nominal Roll - 8th Light Horse Regiment
Fate - Killed in Action 9 August 1916
Place of death - Bir-el-abd, Sinai Peninsula, Egypt
Age at death - 24
Age at death from cemetery records - 23
Place of burial - No Known Grave
Commemoration details - Jerusalem Memorial, Palestine
Panel number, Roll of Honour, 6 Australian War Memorial
GEORGE HOBLEY
Regimental number - 5116
Religion Methodist
Occupation - Farmer
Address - Nyabing, Western Australia
Marital status - Single
Age at embarkation - 29
Next of kin - Father, Mr W H Hobley, Leongatha, Victoria
Enlistment date - 12 February 1916
Embarkation details - Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board HMAT A9 Shropshire on 31 March 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll - Private
Unit from Nominal Roll - 11th Battalion
Fate - Returned to Australia 22 February 1917
JOSEPH 'Joe' HOBLEY
Regimental number - 2027
Religion - Methodist
Occupation - Farmer
Address - Wheelan's Receiving Office, via Leongatha, Victoria
Marital status - Single
Age at embarkation - 21
Next of kin - Father, William Henry Hobley, Wheelan's Receiving Office, via Leongatha, Victoria
Enlistment date - 6 August 1915
Embarkation details - Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A32 Themistocles on 28 January 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll - Sergeant
Unit from Nominal Roll - 3rd Field Artillery Brigade
Recommendations (Medals and Awards) - Distinguished Conduct Medal
Refers 3 December 1917.
Recommendation date: Unspecified
Fate - Returned to Australia 12 May 1919
Medals
* Distinguished Conduct Medal
... 'For conspicuous galantry and devotion to duty. While his battery was in action a box of bombs close to one of his gun pits was set on fire by an enemy shell. He at once left his gun pit under heavy enemy shell fire, and, with the assistance of one man, carried four burning boxes of bombs away from the position. He showed total disregard of danger and great courage and initiative.'
Source: 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 110
Date: 7 August 1918
by estevard on 2012-02-10 16:52:26
Further to 2012-02-09 06:39:42
The death registration for William Henry HOBLEY shows him dying "on or about 10th November 1921 near Rosebud", the cause "suicide by drowning. Verdict of inquiry held by Mr. A. V. Shaw J.P. on 12th November 1921".
On another matter Hobleyesque --
The Edward WICKHAM mentioned in newspaper reports of the Melrose air crash, and ensuing inquest, in 1936 is almost certainly Elizabeth Violet HOBLEY's husband. The 1936 Commonwealth electoral roll for the division of Corio, subdivision Melton, lists just one Edward WICKHAM and he appears with Elizabeth Violet WICKHAM, living in Melton South. He is shown as a labourer which more or less tallies with newspaper descriptions of him as a mill-hand.
Edward had an earlier brush with mortality. The Bacchus Marsh Express for Saturday, 3 January 1914, reports that three lads, including Edward and his twin brother George, discovered the body of an "old man" (it turns out he was only 60) while out rabbiting on Christmas Day 1913. It reminds one slightly of Hitchcock's The Trouble with Harry.
by skater on 2012-11-11 01:14:06
Hi - great to see this wonderful research. Edward and Elizabeth (Ted and Vi) were my grandparents. Gran had a wonderful big picture of Richard, George and Joe in uniform on her wall. I can remember my Pa talking about the plane crash - I think he was more frightened giving evidence at the inquest! I have pictures of both William and Elizabeth Hobley hanging on my wall. thank you
MCCORMICK.
709 McCORMICK, Keith Herbert Rosebud PO, Rosebud, Victoria 8th Light Horse Regiment, 2nd Reinforcement.
Keith Herbert McCormick was a farm labourer and a nephew of Mrs D.James of Rosebud.
The family of the late MR.DONALD JAMES, of Rosebud, desire to thank all kind friends who sent expressions of sympathy in their recent sad bereavement. Will all please accept this
as a personal expression of thanks. E. JAMES.(P.2, Standard, Frankston, 12-8-1948.)
The James family was related to two other pioneering families in the area,the Whites and the Hobleys. Bullocky Bob White was brought up as Robert James and was actually granted land under that name. (27A,section B, Wannaeue on the east side of Main Creek Rd.) D.James was granted 19A (south of the Ditterich Reserve at Main Ridge) on 21-1-1878. Charles James was assessed on 272 acres in the Wannaeue Division on 3-9-1864 and in 1879,Daniel James was leasing 100 acres from the Crown, the rate collector being unaware that title had been granted and that 19 A consisted of 105 acres 2 roods 13 perches.
P.15,ROSEBUD FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA. (From my notes,not verbatim.)
"On the far side of the road (from the fishing village) lived Granny James,who saw and rode on her first train at 80.
In 1910 Mrs(David?) James was assessed on 3 acres and building at Rosebud and Donald James,a contractor of Rosebud was assessed on 1 acre and building owned by Robert Henry Adams but it was discovered that Donald was not in occupation. Charles James was assessed on Fleming's crown allotments 8 and 9 of the fishing village and another lot and building in Rosebud. Keith was 19 when he embarked on 12-2-1915.
JAMES Eric.
See comments.
MCGILLVRAY
(McGILLVRAY JAMES*,JOHN, ARCH.,ALF.,ANDREW; )
There is only one entry in the A.I.F. PROJECT.
616 McGILLVRAY, John 236 Sydney Road, Brunswick, Melbourne, Victoria 23rd Battalion, C Company
John was a leather worker and his father was Mr McGillvray,of the same address, which is a fat lot of help.
In 1900,Donald McGillvray had just replaced John Cain as the occupant of 316 acres, 5, 6,section A, Wannaeue.
By 1910 he had been followed on 5 and 6 by Andrew Buchanan,a grazier of Flinders.
Crown allotments 5 and 6 were bounded by Boneo Rd, Hiscock Rd, and Cape Schanck Rd,extending 4960 links (992 metres)south of Hiscock Rd. (Roughly Melway 170 B-D 8-9 including the Wedgewood, Cleek and Mashie subdivision and the southern part of the Country Club course to the west.)
PEATEY
6080 PEATEY, Alfred William Rosebud, Victoria 6th Battalion, 19th Reinforcement
1164 PEATEY, George Rosebud Post Office, Victoria 7th Battalion, 1st Reinforcement
5682 PEATEY, John Edward Rosebud, Victoria 21st Battalion, 15th Reinforcement
7289 PEATEY, William Stony Creek, Victoria 6th Battalion, 24th Reinforcement*
(*William Peatey had a brother named E.Peatey and may have been the son of Edward Norman Peatey (born 1855, Tarraville-see below.)
From PINE TREES AND BOX THORNS by Rosalind Peatey which is available at Rosebud Library but may be archived, as I suggested, so it is advisable to check at the information desk first.
George Peatey (born 19-2-1832),who was 7 feet 1 inch tall and had been a member of the Queen's Own Regiment, and his wife, Susan, left London on 31-7-1855 aboard the Royal George. By the end of the year,they were at Tarraville in Gippsland where Edward Norman was born. By April 1857 they were back in Melbourne where John Henry was born. (No note made but I think they were living in a tent so they were probably at Canvas Town at Emerald Hill, i.e.South Melbourne). By 1858 they were on the Survey (Safety Beach to Bulldog Creek Rd,exact location shown on P.27 of Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.)
George no doubt engaged in farming but like many locals he also earned money supplying timber to George McLear that was conveyed to various locations around the bay by Peter Pidoto for the construction of piers. Susan was well-regarded as a midwife and on 8-9-1867 delivered Rose Ann Bucher who was deemed to be the first white baby born in what became Rosebud. (Details of other births available.)
George and Susan's other children were Maria (b.1859), Charlotte (b.1861, died aged 20), and Alfred William (b. 1871). Maria later moved to GIPPSLAND to live with Ted and his wife, Ellen. Ted and Jack had moved to Gippsland in 1879.
George and Susan settled on Crown Allotments 27A and 27B,Kangerong (Melway 160 K6, Dromana Estate and Karina Vineyards and Dunn's Croft B&B sites) but due to the run off from Arthurs Seat (illustrated by the need for the drain shown in 161 A6),it was too wet for agriculture,so with a loan from Dromana's Nelson Rudduck, they bought lot 76 in Woolcott's subdivision in 1878 and moved in ten years later when the loan had been repaid. Lot 76, of 2 acres 26 perches, was on the south corner of Jetty and McDowell Sts and later became Don Miller's caravan park. In all likelihood, the latter street would have been called Peatey St if the cottage had not burned down in 1912, which was probably some years before Robert McDowell's family took up residence. On 9-2-1888 title to lot 76 had passed to Susan Peaty,producer. The Peatey's became Rosebud's first producers and retailers of potatoes and onions. [No doubt many Rosebud Fishing Village residents traded fish for these commodities but Emily Durham (great grandmother of Judith Durham of "The Seekers") and Evelyn Gough (grandmother of Arthur Boyd,famous artist and Australian of the Year)most likely paid cash.] When George died at the age of 73 in 1904,Alfred and his mother continued to farm on lot 76. After the cottage was burnt down, Alf and Susan moved to Beachside where Susan died aged 83 in October 1914.
Alf, who attended school in Dromana,later drove a passenger coach between Dromana, Mornington and Melbourne, which ran three times per week. Alf was called up in 1916 and served three months in France. He suffered an ankle injury. In August,1922, Alf was granted a licence to cut 50 tons of dead wood from the foreshore. He died in 1962 at the age of 91.
Jack married Mary Anne on 4-11-1884. Their children were John Edward,born on 20-11-1886,William Henry,22-?-1888, Susan 1890, and George 1892 (all born in Gippsland) and twins,Mary and Ann born in 1894. The twins were born at Beachside. Jack was almost an invalid and Rosebud fisherman, Fred Vine,carved him a walking stick.No doubt,Jack helped as much as he could but Mary Anne was mainly responsible for the success of their produce business conducted at Beachside,supplying milk,cream,butter, chickens and ducks. They had two more children,James and Charlotte,but both died in infancy. Jack's concertina, a piano played by Rosie Bucher and a violin (probably played by Joe Peters the black fiddler)supplied the music for Rosebud's dances 1900-1920. Jack's health improved and he took out fishing parties in summer.
Jack and Mary Anne's eldest daughter married Bill Dryden from Kyneton. Bill, who had been captain of the Seaford Football Club (probably to obtain employment in the sand pit which is now the Seaford Football Ground) had just moved to Rosebud to work in a sand pit for Tom Maw* when he was tragically killed at work leaving young Bill and Jim without a father. This did not stop the two boys from becoming champs for the Buds.
(*Detail supplied by Jim Dryden-who did not tell me he was a champ; the honour board in the clubrooms told me that!)
SEAFORD
OBITUARY .
Regret was expressed on the Peninsula, last Saturday when it was learned that Mr. W. Dryden had met his death by accident at Rosebud. The deceased was a well-known footballer around the district, having played with the Rosebud team a year or two ago, and last year captained the Seaford club. He had just recently left Seaford to accept employment at Rosebud. He leaves a widow and two young children. Deepest sympathy is extended to his parents,widow and children. (P.4, Frankston and Somerville Standard,25-11-1933.)
BEACHSIDE.
In about 1912,Cr Terry resigned from the Flinders and Kangerong Shire Council. The shire was almost broke and in order to determine who owed rates he had moved that descriptions of properties be improved,but his campaign was being thwarted. His campaign must have succeeded and in 1919,the following assessments were recorded. Only east half lot 2 makes no sense, but Mary might have been on 5A instead of 13A.
Mrs Mary Peatey,Rosebud, east half lot 2??? and crown allotment 13A, section A, Wannaeue.
Alfred and John Peatey,lot 76,part crown allotment 17,section A, Wannaeue.
George Peatey, Rosebud, lot 13,Rosebud.
Edwin Naylor, crown allotment 5B,Rosebud.
As you would know from the details above,the second entry is correct. I had marked my transcription of the third assessment with an asterisk because I hadn't heard about the Jetty's Cafe site having anything to do with
the Peatey family. Crown allotment 13 is now on two (or more)titles,the two double storey town houses also being on crown allotment 13. Assessment 2466 of 7-12-1918 shows that the name of Mrs Winifred Gomm had been crossed out and replaced with the name of George Peatey, so there is no doubt that George was on the block granted to William Gomm*. William had moved to Hastings and married a daughter of pioneers in that area with his brother Harry* then fishing and acting as pier master from his c/a 13 house. Naughty William, at an advanced age left his wife and finished up marrying 20 year old Winifred who sold c/a 13, Rosebud(Fishing Village) after the deaths of Henry (who had been renting the property) and William (who had retained ownership.)
(*William,Harry, and Thomas (who died at Dromana) were sons of Convict Henry Gomm and unrelated to Henry Gomm of Somerville. See their story on Graham Whitehead's City of Kingston heritage website.)
It is fortunate that the lady barber next door to Henderson's Real Estate knew I was interested in local history. She showed me a map of early Rosebud and eventually remembered who had given it to her. It was Harvey Marshall of HOPETOUN HOUSE (at least that's what the sign on his front gate in Wattle Place said.) Harvey is a descendant of Captain Adams,as was the first entry on the roll of honour,and has many documents regarding the Adams family history.
The map shows the occupants of fishing village blocks. The block on the east side of the extension of Murray Anderson Rd (which is two chains or 40 metres wide) was divided into 5A near the beach,granted to M.Latross in 1887, and the much larger 5B,granted to E.Naylor in 1884. Antonia (sic) Latros(sic), fisherman, had been living in 5A in 1879 but it is likely that a fisherman such as Andrew Nicholas or Joseph Silver (sic,Silva) was living on 5B because there is no assessment of E.Naylor. (Wannaeue Parish map,rates.) On the Early Rosebud map 5A and 5B are shown as a single block labelled "cows, dairy,poultry slept in trees,Peaty's. Murray Anderson Rd is labelled "Peaty's Creek, foot bridge, now Murray Anderson Rd."
On page 8 of ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD, Peter Wilson gave details of the creeks which emptied into the bay:
Peaty's -west side of Murray Anderson Rd; Eeling -Tom Salt Park; Adams-near The Avenue,McCrae; another at Coburn Ave. This confirms the map's information about the Peateys being on the east side of Murray Anderson Rd. Additionally,Rosalind Peatey states: "In 1894,Jack,Mary and their family settled on the beach front block on the eastern side of the creek which became Murray-Anderson Rd."
My theory is that Antonio Latross has died by 1887 and M.Latross paid the rest of the purchase price, and that from 1894 until 1920 Jack and Mary leased 5A and 5B from Latross and Naylor. Rosalind states that in 1920 a 21 acre farm, with fresh spring water, was bought where the scout hall and pony club are now.This would explain why they would not have extended their lease. Mary might well have continued her lease on the Beachside house which was most likely on 5A but it is possible that she was in a house on the Jetty's cafe site that was later occupied by Henry Thomas according to the early Rosebud map.
Getting back to the roll of honour,Rosalind also states:
Alf,Jack Jnr and George enlisted in W.W.1.The loss of two sons,one killed and another gassed and wounded, Uncle Alf with his injured ankle, and a (?-can't read my scribble!) father whose health was never robust and now 65, meant that the best use was not made of the farm.
Rosalind Peatey's father,William Henry Peatey,married Sarah Ellen Coe on 23-2-1916 with Ted Green of Main Ridge (i.e.Green's Bush)as best man. They had a working holiday roaming as far as Queensland with Sarah's dressmaking skill highly appreciated by the mistress on many isolated stations. They returned to Rosebud in 1919 and lived in Lacco's Pier Cottage (later Edward Campbell's and now the site of the proposed apartment/cafe complex at 1A and 1B Jetty Rd which was so opposed by the Rosebud community.) Bill bought a huge coutta boat from Mr C.Watson of Queenscliff. (Jim Dryden has a photo of this boat which was used to perform many rescues on the bay.It must have been Jim who told me that Edward Campbell spent nearly every day at Rosebud on the Peatey boat. I wonder if Edward was really sick, when the following was published, or out fishing!)
Regret at the illness of Councillor E.Campbell who is confined to his bed at his house at Rosebud was expressed at a meeting of the City Council yesterday. On the motion of Councillor Sir William Brunton it was agreed that a letter of sympathy should be sent to Councillor Campbell. (P.8, Argus,30-1-1930.PERSONAL.)
Edward Campbell was Lord Mayor of Melbourne in 1937-8. I wonder if Edward's malady was sea sickness!
PERRIN
Search for Name: PERRIN Charles
Nothing found
Search for PERRIN.
This would be the Rosebud teacher, aged 38 when he embarked on 2-10-1916 and killed in action 9-8-1918. Before embarking, C.R.Perrin was involved in fundraising for the patriotic fund and for cots in military hospitals, as shown by the two articles below, which also confirm the Rosebud/Elsternwick link.
2747 PERRIN, Charles Reginald Elsternwick, Victoria 58th Battalion, 6th Reinforcement
ROSEBUD.
Mornington Standard (Frankston, Vic. : 1911 - 1920) Saturday 29 August 1914 Edition: MORNING. p 3 Article
... Mrs I) a James secretary, and Mr W, L,. i'wyford treasurer. (C. R. Perrin, Rosebud.)
Shepparton Advertiser (Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Thursday 13 January 1916 Edition: EVENINGS. p 6 Article
... hospitals:--Base Hospital, St. Kilda road: Prailran Children's Patriotic League, ?2oo; Mr C. R. Perrin (Elsternwick) (Rosebud and district), ?23;
PETERS
There is no indication of a connection with Rosebud in any of the A.I.F.PROJECT entries which might be S.Peters.
The Peters family had a shop on the corner of Ninth Avenue as mentioned in a history and was related to the Freemans by marriage but the only mention on trove seems to be in regard to playing footy for the Buds in the 1930's. Remembering that there was a marital connection between the Peters and Freeman families,I managed to find the following. Flora Emma was a daughter of Robert Henry Adams. Neville Freeman married one of the Peters girls.
FREEMAN, Flora Emma. ? On May 26, at Rosebud, loving friend of Mrs. E. J. Peters.
FREEMAN, Flora Emma. ? On May 26, at her residence, Daveen, Nepean Highway, Rosebud beloved wife of the late George, loving mother of Karl (deceased) Mervyn, Neville, Marjorie (Mrs. Kyle), and Phillip aged 73 years ?At rest. (P.14,Argus,27-5-1954.)
POTTON
6625 POTTON, Sidney St Albans, Rosebud, Dromana, Victoria 8th Battalion, 21st Reinforcement
The Pottons seem to have given the name "St Albans" to their 150 acre property, between Adams Avenue and Jetty Rd. Sidney's father was Charles Henry Potton.
RIGG
I am fairly sure that this was C.Rigg because of his second given name. By 1916, Joseph McComb was occupying "Hindhope".
33233 RIGG, Colin Gregory 63 Manning Road, East Malvern, Victoria Field Artillery Brigade, February 1917
Reinforcements
There is no match for N.Rigg. His name was almost certainly Norman. He, Kenneth and Colin performed a comedy sketch at a concert held in the Rosebud Mechanics' Institute in aid of the Dromana Roman Catholic organ fund.
A sketch in character, "The Gridiron," by the Masters Kenneth, Norman and Colin Rigg, was very amusing and
received great applause.(P.5,Mornington Standard, 20-5-1905.) Presumably the three were brothers.
The following is pasted from a comment under my EARLY ROSEBUD journal.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Saturday 28 June 1902 Edition: MORNING. p 2 Article
Gregory B. Rigg, of Rosebud, for 19 19s damages, by reason of a breach of contract defendant Rigg, who had a cottage at Portsea, on the Back Beach road. He gave witness authority to let this cottage last November, saying that he was moving into Rosebud and would not require to use ... 1573 words
Gregory Brennan Rigg, retired Station manager lived in a cottage on Back Beach Rd but because he was moving to Rosebud, he agreed to let it to a clergyman from Lake Rowan. When Rev.Rev. Johnston arrived, the cottage was occupied by a Mrs Buchanan. The clergyman was to pay 2 pounds per week for a fortnight to rent the cottage but had to find lodgings for his family in a detached part of the Portsea Hotel.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Saturday 6 June 1903 Edition: MORNING. p 3 Article
Greg Rigg was a member of the Rosebud Mechanics' Institute, against which Ernie Rudduck brought a charge of illegally detaining a organ belonging to Rosebud's Wesleyan Church. The case was struck out because the summons was signed by a clerk of court instead of a J.P. However, the attempt to regain the organ had caused Ernie's father, Nelson a pillar of the Wesleyan Church in Dromana, Red Hill and Rosebud, a generous and respected Dromana resident, to lose his cool. Nelson, of course, apologised to the President of the Institute but Smith still wanted damages. Mr Smallman,the police magistrate said the case was a trivial one and fined Nelson one shilling without costs.
The committee then had Nelson up for knocking off the Institute's piano. Strangely it was Alf Peatey who served a notice on Nelson to return the piano; Alf's parents, George and Susan would probably never have been able to purchase their 2 acre block at the McDowell St corner if their old friend, Nelson, had not given them the loan. I doubt if Greg (G.V.Rigg), H.A.Braddy (the Rosebud teacher if I remember my trove),Robert Cairns and William Jamieson had much to do with the demand; it sounds like another attempt by Mr Smith to belittle Nelson. Evidence showed that there was no Institute committee, and thus no use of the hall. Nelson bought the unused piano.
When a new committee was formed, Nelson paid for repairs necessary so the Health Department would not take action (the work being carried out by Mr Holloway, who had authorised the sale of the 'illegally detained' piano.) Mr Smallman was equally impressed by this "tinpot' case.
Rosebud Football Club was not formed until 1929 so sturdy little Ken Rigg played for Dromana, the only other club near Rosebud being Sorrento.
Watty Gibson played brilliantly throughout, and in the last quarter especially showed a lot of his old time cleverness. H. Hoskins worked like a Trojan and covered himself with glory (as well as mud). R. Wyatt was not quite up to his usual form-a wet ball and slippery ground are not to "Trotter's"liking. W. Evans on the back line played well, although he erred in judgment on a couple of occasions. Ken Rigg, the sturdy little Rosebud player, is improving with every match. J. Rudduck played his first game this season, and showed promising football. W. Gibson put plenty of dash into his play. A. Gibson S. Wilson, and A. Mcllroy put in some useful work.(P.3, Mornington and Dromana Standard, 10-7-1909.)
"Doreen" was sung by Mr Bayford, a humorous recitation was given by Mr Tippett, a pianoforte duet by Miss Roberts and Master Colin Rigg, and pianoforte solo by
Master Colin Rigg.(P.2,Mornington Standard, 9-9-1905.ROSEBUD.)
ROSEBUD.
A meeting was held in the Mechanics' Hall on Saturday evening, for the purpose of considering the formation of a tennis court, on the Village Reserve, for the use of residents and visitors. Mr Budds (State school teacher) was voted to the chair, and a very enthusiastic and representative meeting took place. Mr H.Hunt, who generously donated 2/2/,was elected president of the club ; Mr Budds, secretary; Mr Kenneth Rigg,assistant secretary; and Mr G. B. Rigg,treasurer.
(P.3, Mornington and Dromana Standard, 10-10-1908.)
CAPE SCHANCK,
A meeting was held in Boneo Hall yesterday week to consider a proposal for holding a school and district picnic, Mr Rigg (president of the board of advice) in the chair..(P.2, Mornington Standard, 2-12-1905.)
Family Notices
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 21 October 1885 p 1 Family Notices RIGG-BRAITHWAITE.-On the 13th inst., at Went- worth, N.S.W., by the Rev. - Long, Gregory B. Rigg, of Bunnerungie Station, N.S.W., to Eleanor F ... 592 words
RIGG -On the 8th. February, at Alfred Hospital, Gregory Brennan Rigg, loving husband of the late Eleanor,loving father of Kenneth, Norman, Colin, Rebecca (Mrs. G.W.Evans) and Donald[deceased], aged 77 years.(P.1, Argus,10-2-1930.)
WICKHAM
(WICKHAM G.,W., H.)
2649 WICKHAM, Gilbert Melton Railway Station, Melton, Victoria 15th Battalion, 8th Reinforcement
I suspect that the following is H.Wickham and that he was Gilbert's brother,both having a mother named Mary Ann.
9 WICKHAM, Frederick Horace 'Ideal View', May Street, Deepdene, Victoria Australian Army Pay Corps
This is definitely W.Wickham. Click on his name and his address "Melton Railway Station" is revealed.His father was G.Wickham and I suspect he was a cousin of Gilbert (aged 27) and Horace.
417 WICKHAM, Walter Artillery Barracks, Melbourne, Victoria Siege Artillery Brigade
See George Henry Jarry,the W.W.1 imposter who settled in Rosebud, in comments.
ROLL OF HONOUR AND BOOK LAUNCH, BROADMEADOWS,VIC., AUST.
Today itellya saw the Hume Global Learning Centre for the first time. And found a treasure! While I was transcribing the names, a chap came up and started looking at the names on the roll of honour. We discussed some of the names and eventually introduced ourselves.He looked familiar, as I had looked familiar to him. He was Bob Mackay of the Essendon Historical Society and I had last seen him over 20 years ago. We'd both been invited to the book launch in the Age Library. Unfortunately my effort to transcribe all the names on the treasure failed but this will be continued on my next visit to the big smoke.
The Honour Board was presented to the Shire by Cr Alexander Coupar Gibb (of "Meadowbank".) It was apparently made in 1917 with side panels either provided for additional enlistments or added very cleverly later. It would have hung in the council chamber of the old shire office near the bridge in Broadmeadows Township (Westmeadows)and then moved to the new shire offices on Twomey's "Glen Allan" near Pascoe Vale Rd circa 1928. Incidentally,the foundation stone of the new 1928 offices, including the name of Cr Rupert Hadfield (after whom Box Forest was named), did not seem to be on the wall of the later version as it was in my last inspection of the building. Hopefully it will be incorporated into the brand new City of Hume building next to the Hume Global Learning Centre.
As Bob and I moved up to the Age Library, I was greeted by Elaine Brogan, whom I last saw at the same time as Bob, and then Nanette Stewart, and Beryl Patullo, both of whom helped me with my research twenty plus years ago, and Yvonne Kernan,who with Beryl has helped me greatly in recent times. I had never met Nannette, Beryl and Yvonne and it was a pleasure to see them in person for the first time after so many years.
SHIRE OF BROADMEADOWS ROLL OF HONOUR.
VOLUNTEERS FROM THIS SHIRE WHO JOINED THE AUSTRALIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCES.
CENTRE PANEL.
LEFT PANEL.
RIGHT PANEL.
THE STORY AND BURIAL LISTING OF WILL WILL ROOK BURIAL CEMETERY
Camp Road Broadmeadows Victoria 3047
Compiled by the Friends of Will Will Rook Cemetery Inc. Oct. 2014.
The cost of the book is $15 (plus postage,I presume.)To obtain a copy,ring 0407 687 755 or email
I will list the families features in stories in order of appearance and list surnames of those buried in alphabetical order so that family historians will know whether their families are included. If they are not, and should be,please use the contact details above to let the Friends know details.They have consulted many sources but some families may have been missed because of records that were lost when the City of Broadmeadows became the City of Hume.
STORIES ETC.
Sources; Trustees 1858, 1898 and Burials discontinued 1960; Plan of denomination sections in cemetery; John Grant's 1863 purchase of plot and William Wallace,sexton; Mrs Dutton's leg; Anderson, Howse; Gilmour; Grant, McNab and McKerchar; Kingshott;Langford/ Sidebottom; Couser; Marsh; Morgan; Patullo; Peck; Robertson & Gibb; St Joseph's Foundling (Baby) Home; Watt; Hume City Heritage Study 2000,page 28(which states that the cemetery came into being two decades before Captain Cook's voyage of discovery!)and lists some notable headstones; sources and trustees; members of the Friends group(Elaine Brogan Pres.,Beryl Patullo Sec/Treas, Clare Pree, Nanette Stewart, Annie Patullo, John Murphy, Yvonne Kernan, Karen Flynn,Sue Nichol, Elizabeth McEvey) and thanks to Tony Lugdon, the Peck, Watt, Gilmour and Morgan families, Ray Gibb,David Wetherill and the City of Hume.
BURIALS.
Ainslie; Aird; Alexander; Allan;Allen; Alley; TO BE CONTINUED AT 8:30 P.M.
ROLL OF HONOUR FOR RED HILL NEAR DROMANA, VIC., AUST.
Red Hill Community Action Inc - Can You Help?
www.redhillcommunityaction.com/
Requesting public involvement in providing names of servicemen and women for a war memorial in Red Hill, we need a Secretary and Public Officer.
Sheila Skidmore's THE RED HILL has much information about Red Hill lads that enlisted in World War 1 on page 49. Charles Trewin was the first to enlist but was living in Chiltern at the time. An original Anzac,he returned with the rank of Sergeant. William and Joseph McIlroy also enlisted elsewhere. The first to enlist locally was Will. Hind whose family had a farm at Merricks. {The surname is written as Hinds in ratebooks if I remember correctly and I have written quite a bit about the family and the farm, most likely in relation to John Shand or John Huntley as much of the information was supplied by Bill Huntley. I think the farm was called "Seven Oaks Farm" being part of the old "Seven Oaks" (79A Balnarring)and bounded by Junction Rd, the new part of Bittern-Dromana Rd from Junction Corner and Craig Avon Lane, which was the old course (Melway 161,parts of H-J 11.) J.Hinds was granted 80C, Balnarring of 17 acres 1 rood 34 perches on 14-9-1916 (north-west sixth of 161 H-J9.)} Will Hind(s?)died from a throat infection just prior to his unit going into action in Egypt. The first locally born lads to enlist,in mid 1915, were cousins Richard and Herb. McIlroy. Herb lost a foot. Sheila lists 17 others who enlisted, with great detail regarding injuries etc. I'm not sure whether Dave Barker from Main Creek was related to the Barkers of Cape Schanck and Boneo or the family of William Henry Blakeley's wife. Helen Blakeley might know. Thelma Littlejohn,Bill Huntley and Barry Wright of Balnarring (who is writing a history of "Wildwood") might have anecdotal information about those who served; I have their contact details.
Details about most of those who enlisted should be found in the A.I.F. PROJECT.
Let's see what trove can tell us.
HINDS.-Died in hospital at Heliopolis, Egypt,Private William Hamilton Hinds (Willie), second son of James and Elizabeth Hinds, "Seven Oaks," Red Hill (late of Somerville), and grandson of Robert Hinds, Blrregurra, aged 20. Duty nobly done. (P.61,The Australasian, 30-10-1915.)
Mr W. J. McIlroy, of "Red Hill", Dromana, a staunch methodist, is the father of a fine quartette of fighting
sons at the front. The Rev. Joseph McIlroy, who was a minister of the Clifton Hill Methodist Circuit, before he enlisted, is with the Army Medical Corps in France.- His brother, Mr William McIlroy is in camp at Claremont, Tasmania, and is a student for the Presbyterian ministry, and has finished his home mission course.
Sergeant Robert Mcllroy and Private Richard McIlroy are in the Infantry in France. (Dandenong Advertiser and Cranbourne, Berwick and Oakleigh Advocate (Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Thursday 27 July 1916 p 2 Article.)
See pages 17-22 of Sheila's book re Joseph McIlroy's diary.
T.Counsel of Dromana could be considered a resident of the Red Hill district if the family was living on 21A Kangerong west of Forest Lodge,granted to C.Counsel on 27-6-1876 but this does not seem to be confirmed by 1900 and 1910 rate records. T.Counsel is not listed in the A.I.F. project. He is listed on the following.
31 Oct 1918 - VICTORIAN CASUALTIES. List No. 438 Issued.
P.6,Argus,31-10-1918.
RAMSAY, J. T. Mathoura, NSW, 31/8/18, RICE, T h Chillingollah, 2/0/18. ... Vi J Cork fngland (2nd occ gas) T Counsel, Dromana J T Coieiitn, Diamond Creek.
EMMOTT.Killed in action April 15, 1918, Sgt. Robert Emmott, son of Mrs. Emmott, Red Hill, Dromana, dear mate on Gallipoli and France of L.-Cpl. George V. Carter, Lake Meran, killed in action December 24, 1917.
(P.1, Argus,7-5-1918.)
EMMOTT.-Officially reported killed in action 15th April, in France, the beloved son of Alphina and the late J. S. Emmott, Red Hill, and beloved brother of J. S. Emmott and E.J. Emmott, of Inglewood, Grace, Mrs. Nicholson, Mrs. J. Morgan, Crystal, and Jim, aged 21 years. (P.11, Argus, 11-5-1918.)
1919-20 rates. Mrs.A.Emmott,5 1/2acres and building part crown allotment 9. This was possibly part of the old Red Hill township near the post office and across White Hill Rd from McIlroys Rd.
MORE TO COME UNLESS THE GREMLINS STRIKE AGAIN. SLOW WORK WADING THROUGH CLIFTON/PYRAMID/ BROKEN HILL RESULTS!
"RED HILL, VICTORIA,A.I.F.PROJECT" SEARCH.
McILROY, Robert - The AIF Project
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=199112
Regimental number, 1791. Place of birth, Red Hill, Mornington, Victoria. School, Red Hill No 1301 State School, Victoria. Religion, Methodist. Occupation ...
8th Battalion, 12th Reinforcement - The AIF Project
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showUnit?unitCode=INF8REIN12
3707, BURROWS, Henry George, Pyramid Hill, Victoria. 3971, CARRUTHERS, Henry .... Herbert, Red Hill, Victoria. 3863, McILROY, Richard, Red Hill, Victoria.
Allan, David Thomson - The War Graves Photographic Project
www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=1468959
Unit: 14th Bn.Australian Infantry, A.I.F. ... in action 08/08/15 Age 22 40 Son of George and Isabella Somerville Allan, of Craig Avon, Red Hill, Victoria, Australia.
Craig Avon was 80A Balnarring,across Craig Avon Lane from Hinds' "Seven Oaks Farm."
SEARCH FOR THOSE ON SHEILA'S LIST IN THE A.I.F.PROJECT.
Charles Lester Gordon TREWIN
Regimental number 532
Religion Presbyterian
Occupation Police Constable
Address Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 26
Next of kin Father, Trewin, Red Hill PO, near Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 5 September 1914
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 4th Light Horse Regiment, C Squadron
AWM Embarkation Roll number 10/9/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board Transport A18 Wiltshire on 19 October 1914
Regimental number from Nominal Roll Commissioned
Rank from Nominal Roll Captain
Unit from Nominal Roll 4th Light Horse Regiment
Fate Returned to Australia 15 January 1919
William McILROY
Regimental number 16284
Religion Presbyterian
Occupation Presbyterian minister
Address Derby, Tasmania
Marital status Married
Age at embarkation 35
Next of kin Wife, Mrs M C McIlroy, Derby, Tasmania
Enlistment date 7 April 1916
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 19 February 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name November 1916 Reinforcements
AWM Embarkation Roll number 26/99/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board HMAT A34 Persic on 29 December 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 3rd Field Ambulance
Fate Returned to Australia 28 February 1919
This would have to be the William McIlroy mentioned in the article about W.J.McIlroy's family where William was training for the Presbyterian ministry and was in camp in Claremont, Tasmania.
Joseph McILROY
Regimental number 15155
Religion Methodist
Occupation Methodist minister
Address Northcote, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 24
Next of kin Father, W J McIlroy, Red Hill via Mornington, Victoria
Enlistment date 23 November 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 14th Australian General Hospital
AWM Embarkation Roll number 26/101/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A67 Orsova on 29 July 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A28 Miltiades on 1 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Adelaide, South Australia, on board HMAT A70 Ballarat on 12 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board RMS Orontes on 16 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A63 Karoola on 19 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A18 Wiltshire on 22 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board RMS Mooltan on 28 August 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board RMS Kashgar on 2 September 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board RMS Kashgar on 5 September 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A1 Kymettus on 12 September 1916
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A25 Anglo Egyptian on 19 September 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Fate Returned to Australia 22 January 1917
Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) 14th Australian General Hospital
William Hamilton HINDS
Regimental number 1555
Place of birth Warncoort,Birregurra, Victoria
School State School, Victoria
Religion Presbyterian
Occupation Orchardist
Address Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 20
Height 5' 7.25"
Weight 136 lbs
Next of kin Father, J Hinds, Red Hill, Victoria
Previous military service Nil (exempt area under Compulsory Military Service scheme)
Enlistment date 24 June 1915
Place of enlistment Melbourne, Victoria
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 22nd Battalion, 1st Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/39/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A35 Berrima on 28 June 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 22nd Battalion
Other details from Roll of Honour Circular 'He was the first Volunteer for this district and his good example was the means of gaining many recruits.' (Details from father)
Fate Died of disease 14 October 1915
Place of death or wounding Heliopolis, Egypt
Age at death 20
Age at death from cemetery records 20
Place of burial Cairo War Memorial Cemetery (Row D, Grave No. 132), Egypt
Panel number, Roll of Honour,
Australian War Memorial 96
Miscellaneous information from
cemetery records Parents: James and Elizabeth HINDS, Severn Oaks, Redhill, Victoria
Family/military connections Cousin: 622 Gunner William Sydney HINDS, 8th Bn, killed in action, 4 October 1917.
Other details
War service: Egypt, Gallipoli
Admitted to 1st Australian Casualty Clearing Station, Anzac, 2 October 1915 (tonsilitis); transferred to HS 'Maheno', 2 October 1915 (dipteria), and transferred to No 1 Australian General Hospital, Heliopolis, 14 October 1915 (septic throat).
Died of diptheria, Choubra Hospital, Cairo, 14 October 1915.
Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal
Sources NAA: B2455, HINDS William Hamilton
Richard McILROY
Regimental number 3863
Religion Methodist
Occupation Orchardist
Address Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 19
Next of kin Mother, Mrs W J McIlroy, Red Hill, Victoria
Enlistment date 6 July 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 8th Battalion, 12th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/25/4
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Adelaide, South Australia, on board HMAT A40 Ceramic on 23 November 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Fate Returned to Australia 19 February 1919
Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) 59th Bn
Herbert McILROY
Regimental number 3862
Religion Methodist
Occupation Farmer
Address Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 28
Next of kin Father, J McIlroy, Red Hill, Victoria
Enlistment date 6 July 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 8th Battalion, 12th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/25/4
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Adelaide, South Australia, on board HMAT A40 Ceramic on 23 November 1915
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Fate Returned to Australia 10 July 1917
Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) 58th Bn
Robert McILROY
Regimental number 1791
Place of birth Red Hill, Mornington, Victoria
School Red Hill No 1301 State School, Victoria
Religion Methodist
Occupation Gardener
Address Box 15, Frankston, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 32
Height 5' 6"
Weight 166 lbs
Next of kin Father, William J McIlroy, Red Hill, Mornington, Victoria
Previous military service Nil
Enlistment date 7 October 1915
Place of enlistment Melbourne, Victoria
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 58th Battalion, 2nd Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/75/3
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A14 Euripides on 4 April 1916
Unit from Nominal Roll 59th Battalion
Fate Died of wounds 21 July 1916
Place of death or wounding Fleurbaix, France (Battle of Fromelles)
Age at death 33
Age at death from cemetery records 33
Place of burial Estaires Communal Cemetery (Plot III, Row B, Grave No. 30), France
Panel number, Roll of Honour,
Australian War Memorial 168
Miscellaneous information from
cemetery records Parents: William and Elizabeth MCILROY, Red Hill, Mornington, Victoria
Other details
War service: Egypt, Western Front
Taken on strength, 59th Bn, Ferry Post, 24 May 1916, and reverted to the ranks.
Embarked Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 18 June 1916; disembarked Marseilles, France, 29 June 1916.
Wounded in action, 20 July 1916 (gun shot wound, hip); admitted to No 1 Australian Casualty Clearing Station, 20 July 1916.
Died of wounds, 21 July 1916.
Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal
Sources NAA: B2455, McILROY Robert
Sidney Harold SHEEHAN
Regimental number 34191
Religion Church of England
Occupation Orchardist
Address Halycon, Red Hill, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 19
Next of kin Father, John Sheehan, Halycon, Red Hill, Victoria
Enlistment date 3 January 1917
Rank on enlistment Driver
Unit name Field Artillery Brigade, March 1917 Reinforcements
AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/128/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board HMAT A74 Marathon on 10 May 1917
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A11 Ascanius on 11 May 1917
Rank from Nominal Roll Driver
Unit from Nominal Roll 7th Field Artillery Brigade
Fate Returned to Australia 3 July 1919
Walter James Thomas CHAMPION
Regimental number 2844
Religion Church of England
Occupation Orchardist
Address Corner of Norwood and Camberwell Roads, Burwood, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 20
Next of kin Father, Walter Champion, Corner of Norwood and Camberwell Roads, Burwood, Victoria
Enlistment date 27 June 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 2nd Pioneer Battalion, Reinforcement 6
AWM Embarkation Roll number 14/14/4
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A17 Port Lincoln on 20 October 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 2nd Pioneer Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 3 March 1919
There were only two Walter Champions, one from Queensland and the above one from Burwood. The Eastern suburbs had many orchardists so like the unfortunate Charles Thiele (killed on Eaton's Cutting Road and probably a descendant of the pioneer of the Doncaster district), Walter may have moved to Red Hill, perhaps to the Village Settlement.
Jack Hayden GIBSON ??????
Regimental number 4276
Religion Church of England
Occupation Farm hand
Address Quairading, Western Australia
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 18
Next of kin Father, J A Gibson, Kelmscott, Western Australia
Enlistment date 20 September 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 16th Battalion, 13th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/33/3
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board HMAT A54 Runic on 29 January 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Lieutenant
Unit from Nominal Roll 8th Machine Gun Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 24 August 1918
The above is an educated guess but it is wrong!.There were only two Jack Gibsons,the other one from Bondi, Sydney, whose next of kin was Mrs Annie Gibson. Many peninsula lads moved to Western Australia during the 1890's depression, attracted by employment offered by its gold rush,such as Harry Falby Gomm of Somerville and John and Thomas Chapman. Thomas Chapman married Edith Sheehan and after he died in Bunbury during a typhoid epidemic, Edith returned to Red Hill with their little daughter. (A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA p. 77-8.) W.Gibson was granted 78 Balnarring of 190 acres on the north corner of Red Hill and Stanley Rds on 22-7-1874 and from memory the property was split into two farms. In 1920,no Gibsons were assessed in the central riding so it is possible that J.A.Gibson was one of the sons and had moved to sandgroper land.
I was just about to move onto Bert Williams when something occurred to me; many Jacks were actually Johns!This is the Red Hill resident. My incorrect guess has been left in the journal as a warning not to ignore those little whispers even if they involve more work.
John Prowse GIBSON
Regimental number 6801
Religion Church of England
Occupation Labourer
Address Red Hill via Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 22
Next of kin Father, John Thomas Gibson, Red Hill via Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 19 February 1917
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 10 February 1917
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 22nd Battalion, 19th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/39/5
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A11 Ascanius on 11 May 1917
Rank from Nominal Roll 2nd Corporal
Unit from Nominal Roll 22nd Battalion
Fate Effective abroad (still overseas)
RED HILL ROLL OF HONOUR.
Nothing found for BERT WILLIAMS, WALTER BROWN, SAMUEL McKAY, JOSEPH SMITH.
WALTER BROWN. Walter Brown was a member of the Red Hill Band of Hope in 1902, along with some of his later comrades such as Joseph and Robert McIlroy. (Mornington Standard: P.2, 3-5-1902; P. 4, 25-10-1902.)
According to Sheila Skidmore, Walter lost a leg in the war so it is understandable that his sport was Chess. However this disability did not stop him from engaging in the physical life of a fruiterer until he was killed by a crank (handle). He had forgotten that the truck was parked in first gear.
CHESS AT RED HILL.A chess tournament conducted at Red Hill recently excited considerable local interest. The championship was won by Mr. W. Brown, of Main Creek. (P.4, Frankston and Somerville Standard, 16-8-1922.)
CRUSHED BETWEEN CARS.
MELBOURNE, January 12.
Walter Brown (42). fruiterer, of Red Hill, died in the Melbourne Hospital today from injuries received in the Victoria market yesterday, Brown was cranking his truck when it jumped forward and jammed his head between his radiator and the side of another motor truck. (P.18, The Courier-Mail, 13-1-1934.)
BROWN-on the 12th January (result ofan accident) Walter Harold Brown of Red Hill, dearly beloved husband of Florrie (nee Peel) and loving father of Elsie, Norman, Leslie and Marjorie -Loved by all.
BROWN -On the 12th January (result ofan accident) Walter Harold Brown of Red Hill, dearly beloved son of Walter and MaryBrown of 6 Barrow street, Coburg and loving brother of Ruby, Will, Myrtle (deceased), Alma, Doll. and Ivy.
(P.13, Argus, 13-1-1934.)
Andrew NICHOLSON
Regimental number 6377
Religion Church of England
Occupation Farmer
Address Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 23
Next of kin Father, Neil Nicholson, Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 15 September 1916
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 23rd Battalion, 18th Reinforcement
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/40/4
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A20 Hororata on23 November 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 23rd Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 21 December 1917
BERT NICHOLSON-No obvious matches for Bert, Albert and Herbert.
ARTHUR McILROY- Only one,Mossman, N.S.W., mother Phoebe.
Albert Christopher WHITE
Regimental number 19699
Religion Methodist
Occupation Farmer
Address Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 26
Next of kin Father, R White, Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 4 January 1916
Rank on enlistment Driver
Unit name Field Artillery Brigade 8, Battery 29
AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/36/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A7 Medic on 20 May 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Driver
Unit from Nominal Roll 8th Field Artillery Brigade
Fate Returned to Australia 4 June 1919
Family/military connections Brother: Lt Ernest Victor WHITE DCM, 24th Bn, returned to Australia.
Other details War service: Western Front
Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal
Ernest Victor WHITE
Regimental number 307
Religion Methodist
Occupation Butcher
Address Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 20
Next of kin R White, Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Enlistment date 15 March 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 24th Battalion, A Company
AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/41/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A14 Euripides on10 May 1915
Regimental number from Nominal Roll Commissioned
Rank from Nominal Roll Lieutenant
Unit from Nominal Roll 24th Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia
Medals Distinguished Conduct Medal
'For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. During an attack this N.C.O. who was in charge of the advance party of his platoon, led them with great gallantry against a machine gun post, which he captured, taking the gun, and accounting for all the gunners. He then collected his party and proceeded, with the greatest dash, to occupy the objective which had been assigned to them. He brought up a Lewis gun, which he disposed with much judgment to help in overcoming the last elements of the enemy's resistance, and then went out under heavy rifle fire to help in selecting positions for the outposts. Throughout the day he showed fine qualities of judgment and cool determination, which inspired his men with great confidence.'
Source: 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 23
Date: 12 February 1919
Family/military connections Brother: 19699 Driver Albert Christopher WHITE, 8th Field Artillery Brigade, returned to Australia, 4 June 1919.
Other details War service: Egypt, Gallipoli, Western Front
Medals: Distinguished Conduct Medal, 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal
Frederick Hargrave WHITE
Regimental number 2081
and
David Vincent BARKER
Regimental number 35841
(See comment 2.)
Frederick Hargrave WHITE
Regimental number 2081
Religion Methodist
Occupation Farm labourer
Address Main Creek, Dromana, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 19
Next of kin Father, Robert White, Main Creek Dromana, Victoria
(Continued in comment 1.)
TREWIN, MCILROY, HINDS, SHEEHAN, CHAMPION,GIBSON,WILLIAMS, BROWN,MCKAY,SMITH,NICHOLSON,HARRISON,WHITE,BARKER.
RED HILL WAR MEMORIAL.(Copied and continued from Comment 8.)
Last night, in an effort to locate descendants of pioneering families still resident in Red Hill to inform them about the BACK TO RED HILL from 1-4 p.m. on Sunday, March 22, 2015 at the Red Hill Community Hall in Mechanics Rd, I googled CLEINE, RED HILL and discovered Howard Cleine. This morning, I tried a McILROY, RED HILL search and came across the Red Hill Community Association (formerly Red Hill Community Action) website. The treasurer, Jenny,is the wife of Dennis McIlroy.
This information might be a bit late, as I presume the Red Hill District war memorial is probably intended to be completed by Anzac Day, 2015, and the list obviously pertains to World War 2 as well as W.W.1 but I can add some detail regarding some of the names.
BARKER David Vincent
BELL Cyril
BROWN Walter
CHAMPION Walter James Thomas
CLEAVE Albert Bertram
CLEAVE Theodore Ernest
CLEAVE Charles Harper
DAVEY Henry Pearce. Described as the life and soul of Red Hill, H.P.Davey's departure from Red Hill was a sad event for his many friends there. His father was a Gippsland pioneer involved in municipal affairs there,and,if I remember correctly,the city of Melbourne. Despite having found no direct link,he was obviously connected with the pioneering Davey family of Marysville, between Old Mornington Rd and Davey's Bay. When his neighbour, A.E.Bennett of Kent Orchard and Seven Oaks,across Red Hill Rd from Forest Lodge (granted to J.Davey) launched an appeal for the destitute Connell family of Red Hill,whose bread winner was almost blind and crippled, H.P. AND the girls at Marysville became heavily involved.
Mornington and Dromana Standard (Vic. : 1908 - 1911) Saturday 26 September 1908 p 3 Article
... Tonkin. The amount of the testator's estate is £1280. Mr H. P. Davey, formerly of " Forest Lodge," Red ... Hill, was married on September 2nd to Miss V. Thompson, of Glengarry, Gippsland.
DAVEY W.
DAY Frederick
EMMETT Robert Edmond
HARRISON Charles (Harry) Henry
HARRISON T.
HARRISON William James
HILLIS Joseph Edwin
HILLIS Stanley James
HINDS William Hamilton
GIBSON John (Jack) Prowse
KANIERS H.
McILROY Arthur
McILROY Herbert
McILROY Joseph
McILROY Richard
McILROY Robert
McILROY William
McKAY Samuel (Sam)
NICHOLSON Andrew (Andy)
NICHOLSON Albert (Bert) Neil
PEATEY John Edward. The Peatey family history is told in Rosalind Peatey's PINE TREES AND BOXTHORNS. This is available at the Rosebud library but,if I remember correctly, I suggest that it be archived and it would be best to see the information desk to prevent a fruitless search in the local history room.
In brief, George and Sarah Peatey settled on Jamieson's Special Survey (Safety Beach area and east to Bulldog Creek Rd)in about 1860, where Susan served as a midwife, delivering many babies, including Henry Bucher's daughter,the first white child born in Rosebud. About a decade later,George,who was six foot six inches tall, was granted 27A and 27C, Kangerong on the east corner of Harrisons Rd and the Bittern-Dromana road. However,the 101 acre farm was too wet for farming and they struggled on till 1888 when they became Rosebud pioneers. In 1878, with the aid of a loan from Dromana's Nelson Rudduck (repaid ten years later), they purchased a 2 acre block on the south corner of Jetty Rd and McDowell St that was later Don Miller's caravan park and is now an estate with entrances to both thoroughfares. The family later purchased a Rosebud Fishing Village block on the east side of a creek that entered the bay under the present Murray Anderson Rd foreshore car park. They called this "Beachside" and an old map of Rosebud notes "chooks slept in trees." The creek was known to early residents as Peatey's Creek.
W.H.Peatey was granted 31E Wannaeue, 200 acres on the north side of Waterfall Gully Rd but because of war injuries and other ailments,the family could not make the best use of the land. Bill's neighbour there was L.E.P.Moran of the grocery chain,Moran and Cato,who built the homestead (across Elizabeth Drive from the golf club)that later became known as the Carrington Park Clubhouse.
ROBERTSON Alexander John
ROBERTSON Donald Charles
ROBERTSON Peter Thomas Tait
SCOLLARY John Andrew
SHEEHAN Reginald (Reg) Arthur
SHEEHAN Sidney (Syd) Harold
SKIPWORTH Leslie Bertram
SKIPWORTH Selwyn Kemp
SMITH Joseph (Jos) Robert
SOLTEN S.
TREWIN Charles Lester Gordon
WHITE Albert Christopher
WHITE Ernest Victor
WHITE Frederick Hargrave
WILLIAMS Albert (Bert)
WILSON Harold Henry
As I've just had a lengthy conversation with Jill Phillips of Hill 'n' Ridge, to whom Lyn Connor forwarded my email about the BACK TO, leaving little time to complete this comment (which can't be edited after it is submitted)I intend to copy it at the very end of the above journal under the heading RED HILL WAR MEMORIAL and continue it there.
ROMA GRIFFITHS' GILLIS, EWART AND GRIFFITHS ANCESTRY AT TRENTHAM, WARBURTON, ASPENDALE, TULLAMARINE ETC. (VIC, AUST.)
I am not writing this for Roma or her brother, because they probably already know most of the fascinating story. However the story will be of interest to descendants of the families named and former residents of the places named.
I administer a Facebook group related to the history of Tullamarine. Roma, already a member of the Tullamarine Primary School Past Students and Staff group asked to be admitted to my group. In her first post she stated that her family lived at Tullamarine for about thirty years and her father had served in W.W.1.
Her parents were Alfred and Marjorie (Peggy)Griffiths but a trove search for Griffiths, Tullamarine produced no results and my many Broadmeadows, Keilor and Bulla rates transcriptions had to be circular filed when I moved to Rosebud. Luckily some of these rate details had been recorded in my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND (1989-1998) and TULLAMARINE BEFORE THE JETPORT* (1998).
* The file was sent to Roma and while she has contributed most of the story, there was something in my book that she lacked, a photo of the former Beech Tree Hotel.
We are so thrilled --- ---- having a Picture of our old Homestead! After we sold both homes & acres, never saw our Home/Hotel again! We could picture everything in our minds, but needed photo
Thank You so much, Appreciated xxx
In 1930, A.Gillis had been assessed on 27 acres in sections 6/7 of the parish of Tullamarine. In 1960, the same land had been acquired for the jetport from Griffiths, actually 26 acres, as shown by a c.1960 map showing acquisitions, supplied to me by the Federal Airports Corporation (or Department of Civil Aviation). This map was not circular-filed and should be at the Hume Global Learning Centre with much of my other material. The land had been purchased from John Pascoe Fawkner in 1851 by John Beech who built the Beech Tree Hotel almost opposite the current northern 20 metres of the Melrose Drive frontage of the Melrose Drive Reserve. Beech's original hotel was destroyed by fire but was soon replaced. The replacement operated until about 1913 when many hotels were being closed by the authorities. The closed hotel's billiard room served as a venue for farewells to the men heading off to W.W.1. It served as the homestead of Alfred Griffiths' land until he built another house next door and leased the former hotel on two and a half acres to Tomic and Barbakiw sometime before Keilor's 1956-7 assessment.
When Roma saw this information, she told me that A.Gillis was one of her ancestors and the Gillis family had been among the pioneers of Trentham. Aaaron Gillis was born at Blue Mountain which was the name given to the Diggings before the name Trentham was first used.
I'd confirmed that Roma's parents had been pioneers of Tullamarine but I couldn't identify Alfred's war record. With information supplied by Roma, I have now been able to do so.
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Roma Griffiths, has provided vital clues that now allow me to identify her father's W.W.1 service record. Alfred (living at Aspendale) had a son named Clem, a policeman, who was dating Marjorie Ewart's younger sister (one of the twins I have mentioned.) If I could find Clem's birth record, I might find the name of Alfred's first wife.
GRIFFITHS Clement Gordon, Birth
mother: Annie nee SHEPPARD, father: Alf
CARLTON, 1914, 29577/1914
I think the article* about Marjorie stated that Alfred died in 1960 but that was probably a guess. When I first tried to find Alfred's service record, I was not aware of his marital status, let alone the name of his wife (Clem's mother.)
Written in the Ballan Times in 2011 after Roma's mother celebrated her 100th birthday: scanned by Roma.
ALFRED'S SERVICE RECORD.
Alfred GRIFFITHS
Regimental number241 Place of birthHaverfordwest Wales ReligionChurch of England OccupationJockey Marital statusMarried Age at embarkation22 Next of kinWife, Mrs Annie Emily Griffiths, 23 George Street, Fitzroy, Victoria Enlistment date27 January 1915 Rank on enlistmentPrivate Unit name13th Light Horse Regiment, Headquarters and Machine Gun Section Embarkation detailsUnit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board A34 Persic on 28 May 1915 Rank from Nominal RollPrivate Unit from Nominal Roll13th Light Horse Regiment FateReturned to Australia 27 April 1919 Miscellaneous information from
cemetery recordsPlaque in Victorian Garden of Remembrance Date of death17 November 1961
ALFRED'S FIRST WIFE DIED IN 1933.
GRIFFITHS.— On the 4th June, .at the Austin Hospital, Annie Emily, the dearly beloved wife of Alfred Griffiths, of Point Nepean-road, Aspendale, and loving mother of Clement G., aged 40 years. (P.1, The Age, 5-6-1933.)
ANNIE'S DEATH RECORD.
GRIFFITHS Annie Emily, Death
mother: Emily nee LOVELL, father: SHEPPARD George
place of death:HEIDELBERG, 40, 1933, 4437/1933
ALFRED AND HIS SON CLEM MARRY SISTERS!
EWART Marj Cath Marriage GRIFFITHS, Alfd 1936, 10298/1936
GRIFFITHS, Clement Gordon, Marriage
EWART, Nancy Lilian, 1937, 6661/1937
ALFRED DID DIE IN 1961 AS STATED IN THE SERVICE RECORD.
GRIFFITHS Alfred, Death
mother:Sarah nee CRABB, father: GRIFFITHS Richard place of death:FOOTSCRAY, 69, 1961, 23064/1961
ROMA'S CONTRIBUTIONS.
As only one image can be attached to a journal, I am unable to attach the photo of the former Beech Tree Hotel mentioned above and scans that Roma has provided of the 2011 article about her mum's story and the historical society article about the Ewarts. I may be able to find a link for the latter, but if not I will write a summary of the information they contain.
The Mooroobool News, August 9, 2011.
(An attempt to access the article online via news@ballannews.com failed. Two errors have been found, Marjorie's birth place and the year of Alfred's death and will be explained at the end of the article.)
VALE Marjorie Catherine Griffiths 29 April 1910-15 June 2011.
Marjorie (Peggy)Griffiths nee Ewart achieved a great many things in her life. She was born in Trentham* although (sic) was proud of her Irish ancestry which included the Ewarts of Yarra Glen and originally of the Ewarts' Belfast Linen Company in Ireland.
Peggy was married to Alfred Griffiths who was a First World War veteran. He was often ill and a great deal of labour on the couple's Tullamarine farm was done by Peggy. Life must have been tough for Peggy as the main bread winner, wife and mother. She operated a chicken farm which also had a range of other animals. It was located in Bulla Road, Tullamarine for 30** years.
Later the Jetport bought out the farm and the family moved to the Footscray area. Peggy bought an old mansion at 24 Pickett Street, Footscray around 1959.She also ran a milk bar in Buckingham Street, Footscray. Daughter Roma said the stables and outbuildings of their home were demolished and her mother sub-contracted the construction of four units. Alfred Griffiths passed away in 1960***, leaving Peggy to raised Roma and her brother Peter, now Dr. Peter Griffiths of Riddell's**** Creek. (Roma explained)"We were only children as my mother gave birth to my brother and me towards 40; she was too busy working," she said.
In about 1961, Peggy demolished the family home and the astute business-woman again sub-contracted construction, this time building home units on the site. These buildings are still standing.
One of Peggy's main contacts in this era was Graeme Rayner*****, (now Rayner Real Estate, Bacchus Marsh.) Another contact was Alan Mance of Alan Mance Holden who remembered Peggy well. Roma said that Peggy bought a new car each year from Alan Mance. "I know mum was remembered fondly by Alan, as you only went to Alan Mance for cars. About eight years ago, Alan was astounded that I was Mum's daughter and asked for her phone number. He rang her for Christmas. He also said it was people like Mum who got him started years ago, much to my amazement."
Roma said her mother had a block of land at Blackwood***** which she considered to be the gateway to the local area. Roma said that the land is beautiful and had a special place in my Mum's heart.
"Many people are amazed at the achievements Mum accomplished on her own," Roma said, and pointed out that in the era of her prime, it was uncommon for women to lead a wheeling and dealing life. Peggy returned home to live with daughter Roma after a short illness but passed away peacefully only two days later.
Too often 50% of the pioneers are ignored when history is written but not so in Elizabeth McMcMeekin's THOSE COURAGOUS HARDY WOMEN, about her pioneering female relatives near Sorrento and it is good to see Roma following Elizabeth's example! Peggy was both courageous and hardy.
* Marjorie was not born in Trentham. It needs to be explained why she was born at Warburton* and how she and Albert became acquainted.
EWART Marjorie Catherine Gillis, Birth
mother:EWART, Margaret Isabel nee GILLIS
father: EWART, James,
place of birth:Warburton
1910, reg. no.15481/1910
Marjorie had two younger sisters, twins, Betty and Nancy Lillian, born in 1916.
EWART.—On the ??th January, at Nurse Basser's private hospital, 45 Drummond street, Carlton, to Mr. and Mrs. Ewart, Warburton, twins (daughters). (P.11, Argus, 12-2-1916.)
It was Marjorie's mother who was born at Trentham.
EWART Margaret Isobel, Death
mother: Mary Catherine nee MCALPINE
father: GILLIS Aaron
place of birth:Trentham*, place of death:Footscray
75, 1963, 22081/1963
* But the birth record states BLUE MOUNTAIN!
Event:births
Registration number 860 / 1889
Family name:GILLIS, Given name(s) Margt Isabella
Place of event: BLUE MOUNTAIN, Australia
Personal detail
Mother's name Mary Kate
Mother's family name at birth MCALPINE
Father's Name: Aaron
Trentham | Victorian Places
https://www.victorianplaces.com.au/trentham
The diggings were also known as Blue Mountain.
** Aaron Gillis (father of Peggy's mother as shown by the above records) was occupying part of John Beech's 1851 purchase (See lot 11 on the attached map) in 1930 so the 30 year occupancy would probably have that as the starting point.
***The reporter was probably told "about" 1960. Alfred's death record can be seen in BOLD ITALICS immediately before Peggy's obituary. That would explain why Peggy had subdivided the old mansion's stables and outbuildings soon after buying the property but did not demolish the home until "about" 1961, probably soon after Albert's death.
**** Riddell's Creek is named after John Carre Riddell (from whom the creek and town's names came)who was granted sections 15 and 6 whose eastern boundary was Broadmeadows Rd (now Mickleham Rd.)As Bulla Rd was proclaimed after the parish of Tullamarine was surveyed small portions of Riddell's grants were cut off as was the north east corner of Fawkner's section 7, so the two swapped these cut-off corners so that all of Fawkner's estate was on the Keilor side of the road and Riddell's Camiestown Estate was on the Broadmeadows side. John Beech's purchase and Alfred and Peggy's farm were at the south west corner of Riddell's section 6.
***** Graeme Rayner was probably related to Jack Rayner and his wife Grace, of Blackwood, old identities of the town with a great interest in its history, about whom Margot Hitchcock, Blackwood's historian, could tell you plenty.
information from Lilydale Historical Society (Roma's scan.)
EWART.
John Ewart died in 1892. He was the son of William Ewart, founder of a famous linen manufacturing firm in Ireland. In 1837, he married Catherine Morrison in Belfast and in 1842 they arrived in Melbourne in 1842 with fellow passengers Lithgow and Blair. John explored some 40 miles up the Yarra where he built a home naming it Belfast Cottage. As more settlers arrived, he built a store, post office and the Home Hotel at today's Launching Place which was originally known as Ewart. Their son, David, the first to settle in the Don Valley, married Molly Landers.
Peggy's parents married in 1909.
EWART Jas Marriage GILLIS, Margt Isabel 1909 6501/1909
On the basis that most men were married in their mid to late 20's I searched for his birth record between 1870 and 1890, producing two results and this would most likely be it.
EWART James Birth, mother:Catherine nee MORISON, father: David
HEAL(ESVILLE), 1882, 3211/1882
As Don Road is at Healeville, I presume that the the father was the first settler in the Don Valley. I don't think that he married his mother! The above article states that he married Molly Landers so I think this would be the correct marriage record for the parents of Peggy's father.
Event: marriages Registration number 3484 / 1867 Family name:EWART Given name(s)David
Spouse's family name:LANDERS Spouse's given name(s)Annie
James may have died at the aged care home at Cheltenham (known as the Kingston Centre since the 1970's) in 1963. He might have become disabled by an injury or senile decay because Roma didn't remember him.
EWART James, Death, mother:Annie nee LAUNDER (LANDERS?), father:EWART David
born:Launching Place, died:Cheltenham, no spouse at death recorded, 82, 1963, 10414/1963
His spouse (from above). She may have been living with Peggy and Roma:
EWART Margaret Isobel, Death
mother: Mary Catherine nee MCALPINE
father: GILLIS Aaron
place of birth:Trentham*, place of death:Footscray
75, 1963, 22081/1963
No lollies for the Victorian BDM typists!
THE ESSENDON HOTEL.
The Essendon Hotel was directly over Mt Alexander Rd from the east end of Keilor Rd, in Melway 28F1, immediately south of the old water reserve, Woodlands Park. Its most famous licensee was the famous John Coleman. By the 1970's it was renamed De Marco's after great sponsors of the Doutta Stars Football Club at that time. Later it was renamed The Grand as shown in my 1999 edition of Melway.
Roma Griffiths. If you want a photo of the hotel as it looked in 1931, scan page 67 of THE STOPOVER THAT STAYED: A HISTORY OF ESSENDON by Grant Aldous. The original hotel had stood for 83 years until plans to rebuild the hotel were lodged in 1936, by the owner, Hancock.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11021596
The McGaurans of Traralgon had bought the hotel in early 1927 but were soon sprung for having the bar open out of hours.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62608245
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3922560
In November 1928, application was made to transfer the licence from Kathleen McGauran to Margaret I. Ewart.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3970032
The hotel was obviously sold (by the McGaurans?*) to Hancock by or at the start of 1936 and at the end of January 1936, Mary Kate Gillis applied to transfer the licence to Albert Richard Hancock. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11876476
No record of a sale of the hotel by John McGauran has been found but by November 1929 he was back at Traralgon and applying to modernise its Grand Junction Hotel, so it is likely that Aaron Gillis had bought the hotel from the McGaurans at the end of 1928 and sold it to Hancock in 1936.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/244204775
APPLICATION for TRANSFER of LICENCE
I, Margaret Isabel Ewart the holder of a victualler's licence for the Essendon Hotel at Mt Alexander road, Essendon in the Essendon Licenslng District and I, Mary Kate Gillis, of the Essendon Hotel, Mt Alexander road Essendon, hereby give notice that we will APPLY to the Licensing Court of Melbourne on Monday the 21st
day of December 1931 for the TRANSFER of the LICENCE to the said Mary Kate Gillis.Dated the 10th day of December 1931
MARGARET ISABEL EWART
MARY KATE GILLIS (P.17, Argus, 12-12-1931, last column.)
We know that Margaret Ewart was the wife of James Ewart and the mother of Peggy Ewart. Margaret may have been in much the same position as Peggy, supporting herself by this time. Roma wouldn't believe me when I told her that James Ewart had died in 1963, the same year as Margaret, because she didn't even remember him. But soon afterwards, memories came flooding back and Roma wrote:
"Omg I'm starting to recall his passing! Family rushing to his bedside in Cheltenham 1963! Ancestry just asked me to sign in again! 😡😡 My mother never went near him*, as I previously said, lived most of her life with Aaron & Kate Gillis. Fancy me forgetting! Nan lived opposite us in Footscray, 17 Pickett street. We cared for her a lot. Lady of means, no pension, from Aaron Gillis xx
*THIS IS WHY!
SIX DECREES GRANTED.
Margaret Isabel Ewart, 41 years, of
Mount Alexander-road, Essendon, sought
divorce from James Ewart: 47 years of
Merriwagga (N.S.W.); laborer, on the
ground of desertion. The parties were
married on 12th August, 1909, at Colling-
wood, and there were five children. A
decree, nisi was granted, with costs .
(P.7, The Age, 17-7-1930.)
Where does Mary Kate Gillis fit into the picture? McAlpine is already in the surnames list. I believe this is her death record. Gordon is a decent training run north of Ballan and linked to Blackwood by a very old track shown in Melway 527 CD3.
GILLIS Mary Catherine Death
mother: Isabella nee GARNER, father: MCALPINE James
born:GORDON, died:COBURG, 84, 1954, 8212/1954
Mary Kate was the wife of Aaron Gillis!
GILLIS Aaron Marriage MCALPINE, Mary Kate 1888 5386/1888
To be continued gillis/ cusack, roma named after a clydesdale champion but it could have been WEDDING GLIDE, aaron's last residence & probable reason, launching place originally called ewart etc
SEE THE GRIFFITHS LAND PURCHASED FOR THE JETPORT ON THE ATTACHED IMAGE, LOT 11 OPPOSITE THE MELROSE DRIVE RESERVE. THE NORTHERN PART OF JOHN BEECH'S PURCHASE FROM J.P.FAWKNER IN 1851 IS LABELLED PART LOT 12 (SAM PARR'S "ELM GROVE".)
ROSEBUD IN 1855 (MORNINGTON PENINSULA, VIC., AUST.)
ROSEBUD IN 1855
This map shows early selectors on portion of the former Tootgarook run which was generally called section A of the parish of Wannaeue but the part of the run on the McCrae foreshore which George Smith ceded to Andrew McCrae’s Arthurs Seat run was later referred to as “No Section “.
Smith must have ceded the area to McCrae (as stated by Marie Hansen Fels in I SUCCEEDED ONCE) before mid 1850 when he transferred Tootgarook to Edward William Hobson. The description of McCrae's run in December 1850 and December 1848 has the following addendum (in bold type) which was the area ceded:
No. 208.
Andrew Murison M'Crae.
Name of run, Arthur's Seat.
Estimated area 21,300 acres.
Estimated grazing capability, 300 head of cattle.
On the north by Jamieson's special survey four miles, on the west by the coast line of the Bay to the nose of the mountain called St. Anthony's Nose,from thence along the Cape Schanck road to the Drumdrumallock Creek,
being a boundary line with Mr Purves,ETC.;also that piece of land between the Cape Schanck road and the sea, commencing near the rocks on the point known as St. Anthony's Nose, and ending at the creek* at the junction of the Point Nepean and Cape Schanck roads, nearly opposite the end of the paddock fence.
*Adams Creek, which virtually followed the course of The Avenue, the boundary between the Arthurs Seat Run and Portion 20 Wannaeue.
Part of the Parish of Wannaeue near the Village Reserve of Dromana ...
ROSEBUD 1855
N.B. For some reason, the link to the map does not work. To access the map, paste Part of the Parish of Wannaeue near the Village Reserve of Dromana ...into your search bar.
The parish of Wannaeue extended east to Mornington-Flinders Rd, where it adjoined the parish of Balnarring, west to Government Rd/Weeroona St, Rye where it adjoined the parish of Nepean and south to Limestone Rd where it adjoined the parish of Fingal. This map was drawn on 1-7-1855 shortly after JAMES PURVES' "Rosebud", insured for 700 pounds, was stranded on the foreshore.
Although no section boundaries are shown on any Wannaeue parish maps, it is clear that section A comprised the Tootgarook run and section B the Arthurs Seat run. The latter was originally south of the road to Cape Schanck but George Smith ceded the McCrae foreshore, originally part of the Tootgarook run, to Andrew Murchison McCrae before his visit to California with his young aboriginal friend, Johnny, (who died soon after their return and was buried near the lighthouse by young George McCrae,) Dr Tweedale's grant may not have not been part of Tootgarook but was called Crown portion 1 of section A. Dr Tweedale was the head of the Quarantine Station at the Heads.
PORTION 20.
Georgiana McCrae had good reason to fear that her homestead block would be swallowed by the planned township of Dromana but crown portion 20 Wannaeue (the WANNAEUE VILLAGE RESERVE) was not alienated until the mid 1870's. As coastal access around Anthony's Nose was only on the beach until 1866 when Ned Williams was said to have carved a road, this land was probably leased to Captain Henry Everest Adams. By sheer coincidence portion 19 was selected by Isaac White of whom nothing is known except that he had the greatest affection for the wife of Henry Everest Adams (expressed in an indenture between Isaac and the Captain re a property near South Melbourne found in Harvey Marshall's scrapbook.)
Portion 20 was between The Avenue and the line of Parkmore Rd. Isaac White's portion 19 extended west to Adams Avenue, and by the first Kangerong Road Board assessment of 1864 was occupied and probably owned by Captain Adams.
Two tracks join in portion 20, both indicating how much of a barrier the Rocks presented to coastal travel, The early Dromana Township maps show tracks whose general course was like Latrobe Parade, heading uphill just before the tea tree swamp (below the present bowls club) to access the back road (Palmerston Avenue/ today's freeway.
The track between this THREE CHAIN ROAD and portion 20 may have been made by travellers calling in for a chat, to have a horse shoed or perhaps to sample the Vivyan Vineyard produce if such was available by 1855.
The track from the beach (actually the point where Adams Creek met the coastal track) may have been made by Captain Adams when he reputedly beached his vessel (named) and used its timbers to construct his cottage at Adams Corner in circa 1842 (as claimed in an undocumented submission to council in the early 2000's to have a park in McCrae named after Captain Adams.)The captain may have beached the vessel IN Adams Creek at high tide which would have made it far easier to salvage its timbers to construct the cottage.
The captain may have used the upper track later to access his 36 acres near the Arthurs Seat summit (c/a's 5 and 6, section D, Township of Dromana, heading up Towerhill Rd from Melway 159 F8.)
PORTION 19.
Parkmore Rd indicates the boundary between portions 20 and 19 and this boundary would have met the back road at the end of Surrey St in Melway 170 H1. On the map at this point is shown a strange double creek crossing the two branches rejoining on the coastal side of the road to feed a waterhole. Today, that waterhole has become the un-named reserve between Woodvale Grove and Surrey St.
The double crossing of what was called the Hobson's Flat road caused a huge dispute between Back Road Bob Cairns who was on the uphill side of the road and Robert Henry Adams, on the coastal side, in the first decade of the 1900's. Poor William Hobley was caught in the middle of this dispute and may have moved to Leongatha to escape the unpleasantness and false accusations*. Surely crossings 1 and 2 would be those shown on the map.
* https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65837598
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/65837643
The subdivision of portion 19 (Albert Holloway's PARKMORE etc) will be discussed in a separate mini history.
PORTION 18.
Portion 18 was purchased from the grantee by Charles Blakey, poundkeeper and grantee in section 6 Yuroke at Somerton. He subdivided the land and Jack Jones whose store on his foreshore block (later George Fountain's THE PINES) had been burnt down seems to have been the only buyer, his two acres on the FJ's corner being described as lot 86 and shown in a sketch of title on a memorial in Harvey Marshall's scrapbook recording a loan obtained from Captain Adams by William Edwards.
In 1874, Blakey's executors put the remaining 150 acres up for sale and portion 18 was sold to Robert White junior. He sold it to the Lake brothers in 1888 after the death of his first wife and moved to John Moore's 27 acre "Glenferrie" on the north corner of White Hill and McIlroy Rds at Red Hill, (where he was called Blooming Bob White to distinguish him from his nephew, Bullocky Bob White A.K.A. Robert James.) Here his children who had been among Rosebud State School's first pupils were cared for by his late wife's sister, Hadassah Hillis, who in 1999 became his second wife
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Jack Jones had built a store on lot 86 in about 1884 and the Lake Brothers tried unsuccessfully to have him evicted in 1889. The rest of the story of the 150 acre farm is told in the chapter HENRY POTTON'S FARM in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD including the two suicides of De Garis, the developer of the HEART OF ROSEBUD ESTATE. The historic sites and street names on portion 20 will be discussed in another mini history.
On the map a very prominent waterhole is shown just west of the line of Adams Avenue, the eastern boundary of portion 18. The site of the waterhole is today's Lawson Park,(170 F1) accessed from Mark St by the appropriately-named Adams Lane (which I have never noticed before!)
CROWN PORTION 17.
Crown portion 17, extending from Jetty Rd to the line of Norm Clark Walk was the true heart of Rosebud. Robert Glover seems to have bought his co-grantee out, possibly after it was advertised for sale in 1857; it seemed to be a working farm with a homestead.*
* https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7145537
"TUESDAY, 10th MARCH.
Parish of Wannaeue, Arthurs Seat. 129 Acres.
Four roomed Cottage, Men's Huts,etc."
On 3-9-1864, the property had a net annual value of 6 pounds 10 shillings. By 2-9-1865 it was owned by Woolcott, the value of the 129 acres unchanged. On 31-7-1892, he was assessed on 120 acres and 84 acres on 25-7-1896. The unsold portion of the estate still consisted of 84 acres when W.F.Vale, agent, Melbourne was assessed on it in 1910.
William Gomm, grantee of c/a 13 Rosebud Fishing Village and son of a convict had apparently leased part of the 129 acres in 1876 but it had obviously been subdivided by R.R.Woolcott by 1878, when, with the aid of a loan from Nelson Rudduck of Dromana, George and Susan Peatey bought lot 76 on the south corner of Jetty Rd and McDowell St, today surrounded by Netherby and consisting of 2 acres, occupying the block in about 1888 when the loan had been repaid.
Daniel Coyle (a grantee in the fishing village) and his wife, known to oldtimers as Granny Coyle were early shopkeepers at Rosebud before moving to Mordialloc BUT THE SHOP MAY HAVE BEEN ON THEIR ROSEBUD FISHING VILLAGE BLOCK, crown allotment 10, immediately east of today's Banksia Point apartment/cafe development, RATHER THAN ON PORTION 17.
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The school started in the Mechanics' Institute which proved unsatisfactory and land in Woolcott's subdivision was purchased to erect a school and teacher's residence as detailed in Peter Wilson's book. It was at the school that the post office started in 1889 and it remained on portion 17 until about 1996.
In summary, this is where Rosebud people posted and picked up their mail.
1. PRE-1889. Loose bag at lighthouse (with keepers' mail.)
2. School. Slot cut in residence wall.(1889.)
3. Louis Anderson's store on lot 42, c/a 17,Wannaeue,near Peebles site 1890-1897)
4. School hole in wall 1897-1901.
5. John Roberts family's P.O. 1901-1919 on lot 42 as above, last postmaster being Percy Ditchburn.
6. Rudduck's store 75 metres to the west with William C. Twyford as first postmaster there in 1920, a Rudduck son in law and Roy Cairns probably before the store was destroyed by fire.
6A. Rudduck store rebuilt quickly on larger scale and bought by Edwin James Wheeler in 1923. Site occupied present numbers 1039,1040, 1043 and 1045, the post office being in No.1045. Wheeler sold to Stephens in 1929 but retained the post office and possibly 1043.
7. Mr Wheeler transferred the post office to a new building at 1047 in February 1937. He retired in March 1946 and his son,Geoff, was appointed postmaster.
8. On July 4,1951, it was reported that the new site for the post office, at 1003 Pt. Nepean Rd,with a frontage of 83 feet,had been completed.
9. Rosebud Plaza (formerly Port Phillip Plaza) P.O. 1996? (This is the approximate date given for the closure of the Rosebud West P.O.)
The above information was provided by Peter Wilson in a local paper accessed in Mick Dark's collection.
Information about Robert McDowell and some street names will be included in another mini history.
ROSEBUD LAGOON.
A feature of Rosebud in the old days that can be seen on the map, mainly in portion 17 but extending slightly into portion 16 was the Rosebud Lagoon. It was drained so that Spray St could be constructed.
CROWN PORTIONS 16 AND 15.
Crown portions 16 (west to Fifth Avenue) and 15(west to First Avenue) became the Clacton on Sea Estate in 1909. In 1864, Hugh Glass, grantee of crown portion 14 owned crown portion 16 as well. Glass became insolvent and it is impossible to ascertain from rate records who occupied portions 15 and 16 until 1909 when it was bought by a reputedly American company.
Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD devotes a chapter to the estate but most of the information relates to gimmicks to promote sales and land that owners forfeited due to unpaid rates which the shire developed quite recently with Clacton Divide connecting its east and west ends. Most of the land that did sell was naturally near the beach. In the last assessment available on microfiche, that of 1919-20 W.H.Ritchie of Box Hill and Peter Percival, Mrs A.J.Ross, Arthur Smith, Mrs K. Tute, W.L.Twyford and Walter G.Uridge, all of Rosebud, were assessed on land containing buildings, with net annual values above 10 pounds.
Arthur Smith may have been A.J.Smith, president of the Mechanics' Institute who illegally detained the Methodist Church's organ in 1903.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/67084789
Mrs Katherine Tute and her husband owned much land between Waterfall and Duells Rds and Mrs Tute, whose husband was a P.O.W. in W.W.1, made Ewart Brindle of Dromana promise to continue his art in America.
The second 1909 article illustrates what a fib was told in the first about the Clacton on Sea estate.
600 blocks sold in 2 weeks?
History of Clacton on Sea land
The second article also shows that W.F.Vale had owned crown portion 15 of 101 acres 1 rood and 8 perches and the Freehold Investment Company portion 16 of 115 acres exactly (as on the 1855 map and my much later parish map!), not 116 a.2 r. 2 p. and 102 acres as stated in the article. The investment company had also owned 29 acres that became part of Eleanor Rigg's Hindhope at about the same time. See Portion 14.
Everyone loves winning a prize but the Limerick winner thought his was a dud.
scrubby black sand about a mile from the beach
CROWN PORTION 14.
Crown portion 14 between First Avenue and Boneo Rd was sold off in portions of 19,19, 20, 20 and 16 acres when the Grantee, Hugh Glass, became insolvent.
The first two bits were eventually combined by Greg and Eleanor Rigg and went south to include 50 First Avenue and all Hope St house blocks.They retained the name bestowed on half of the property prior to 1900 by Oswald Randall. Hindhope Villa at 50 First Avenue was probably 117 years old when it was demolished in 2017! Subdivision of the property commenced after John McComb of Carrum (Seaford) had leased it for a year. McCombe St was supposed to be named after him but the surveyor engaged by developer, Arthur Alfred THOMAS who bought Hindhope on 23-1-1914, got the spelling wrong. Hindhope Villa was bought by Alexander Mackie Younger whose first wife stupidly shot herself just after she'd bought him a huge portion of the estate, whose second wife left him during their honeymoon because he'd installed a maid who, surprise, surprise, became his third wife.
The 16 acre portion was owned by (John?) Freeman and was combined with the two 20 acre blocks by Ramsay and Nora Couper to form a property that became known as The Thicket. It was later owned by Alf Rawlings and today is easily recognised by Warranella Avenue and the streets such as The Drive which connect it with the Government roads.
It was subdivided as the Rosebud Park Estate about two years* after Nora Couper died at Box Hill.
COUPER.-On the 1st . January, 1925, at her residence, 64 Station street. Box Hill, Nora, the dearly beloved wife of Ramsay Couper, and fondly loved mother of Sybil, Evelyn (Mrs.Jamieson), and Guy late of Rosebud, Dromana.
(P.1, Argus, 2-1-1925.)
ROSEBUD PARK ESTATE
Nora's daughter Evelyn had married George Edward Jamieson in 1915. He was a son of William Jamieson, grantee of the Rosebud Fishing Village block between the Jetty's Cafe and Mechanics' Institute sites.
EventBirth Event registration number17123 Registration year1885
Personal information
Family nameJAMIESON Given namesGeorge Edward SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameAdelaide (Phair) Place of birthDR OM
ROSEBUD TED (CAIRNS) FINDS JAMES GEORGE DEAD:ROSEBUD, VIC., AUST.
DROMANA. Mr James George,a very old resident of Rosebud, was found dead in his bed on Tuesday by Mr E. Cairns. Deceased was 83 years of age, and has been residing in the district for upwards of 40 years. Prior to coming to Australia, he served for a number of years in the British navy. He was the recipient of an old age pension, and has been living alone in his little hut at Rosebud for a very long time. He was held in the highest esteem by those who knew him as an honest and upright man. The remains were interred in the Dromana cemetery on Wednesday.
(P.2,Mornington Standard, 7-6-1906.)
There is a photo of James George in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD. On page 22, Peter stated that "Old George" was a Greek fisherman, born in Greece in 1819 who arrived in Australia in 1877 and was naturalised in 1899. James made his own rabbit skin boots. If I remember correctly the photo shows James outside his hut.The hut was on the foreshore but he was not assessed on it in 1900 so it must have been outside the boundaries of the Rosebud Fishing Village,perhaps near the Village Green. For some reason, the council must have been unable to levy rates on fishermen squatting on the foreshore such as Old George,Chatfield at Rosebud West and Walter Burnham near the skateboard ramp area at the end of Boneo Rd. Although Henry Bucher was on the fishing village site in 1863, he was not assessed until the Rosebud Fishing Village was declared.
On Page 15 of ROSEBUD:FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA,Isobel Moresby started a discussion of old identities with:
Old George the Greek, massive and curly headed,sat on a bench outside his doorway. (Actually they were my limited notes.) I have found Isobel's book online. It has more description of Old George and the photo outside his hut (without a caption.) See my journal EARLY ROSEBUD, VIC., AUST.
ROSEBUD, Near Dromana.-Three-roomed furnished COTTAGE to LET. Apply to Edward Cairns, Rosebud.
(P.12,Argus,1-2-1896.)
Edward Cairns,the only descendant of the three original Cairns brothers to have this given name, still managed to acquire the nickname of Rosebud Ted despite the lack of need that existed in the case of Eleanora/Blacks Camp Davey, Carrier/Hill Harry etc. According to a map of early Rosebud,the above cottage was probably across McDowell St from the Safeway site. Ray Cairns mentioned Ted Cairns living on Blacks Camp Davey's grant across Boneo Rd from the Cape Schanck turn off but that was probably much later than 1906. It is likely that Ted made some money each summer by leasing his cottage to holiday makers with his own family roughing it for that period.
Rosebud Ted would have been back in the cottage well and truly by June each year, thus his unpleasant discovery in the fishing village.
ROWLEY, EDWARDS, TAYLOR, PIDOTO, TOWNSEND, MCNAB, MITCHELL, WATSON/BRYAN, FAMILY CONNECTIONS AT DROMANA, VIC., AUST.
THE HEROIC TASMANIAN POLICEMAN BORN IN DROMANA.
WILLIAM RICHARD TAYLOR
I couldn't find William Richard Taylor's birth record in Victorian BDM but it would be too much to believe that he was NOT related to Christina Edwards who married Robert Rowley and Frances Taylor who married Carmello (Peter) Pidoto.
Arthur Henry Taylor (1894-1971) was probably the brother who moved to Tasmania with William Richard Taylor and he was definitely a son of William Taylor (1849-1895) and Mary Christina Taylor (nee Rowley, 1866-1958), although Arthur's birth record could not be found either.
ARTHUR HENRY TAYLOR
Robert Rowley probably grew up at Longford Tasmania and was appointed a constable* there before he moved to Dromana where he was working for Peter Pidoto when he married Christina Edwards*. Little else is known of Robert's early life apart from his lime burning with Henry Cadby Wells in the early 1840's and crayfishing with Wells in approximately 1849-50.
* STRATFORD, Tuesday -An old colonist in this district is Mr. Rowley of Rye, father of Mr. Frank Rowley, Munro. He landed in Tasmania in 1824, being then 4 years old. He there resided until 1844** when he came to Victoria, where he has since lived. In Tasmania he held an appointment under Government and received from the Crown a grant of land.(P.8, Argus, 8-1-1908.)
** N.B.It is more likely that 1844 was when Robert returned to Tassie (or took to the sea or moved to Gippsland) for about 5 years, because the 1843 depression had severely reduced the demand for lime, ending his first venture with H.C.Wells. However the mention of the Government appointment confirms that the constable named Robert Rowley was indeed the later Dromana and Rye pioneer.
* ROWLEY—EDWARDS—By the Rev. J Smithies, at the house of Mr Joseph Tongs, Illawarra**, Christina Edwards, the only daughter of Mr William Edwards, of Newborough.Fife. Scotland, to Mr Robert Rowley, of Dromana, Victoria.
Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899) Tuesday 22 January 1861 p 5 Family Notices
*ILLAWARRA is 4 km from Longford.
4 min (4.0 km) via Illawarra Rd/B52 and B51
Nothing could be found about the Taylor family's property "Spring Hill" at Dromana except that it was later occupied by John Dyson.
You don't have to BELIEVE that William Richard Taylor was the son of William Taylor. I was actually starting to doubt that he could have been, if he was born in 1897 as stated in the article, and William had died in 1895. William Richard was actually born in 1887, a decade earlier than the article stated.
ROBERT AND CHRISTINA ROWLEY'S TAYLOR GRANDCHILDREN.
Mary Jane Taylor (1884-1973)
Frank Taylor (1886-1985)
William Richard Taylor (1887-)
Christina Taylor (1889-)
Frances Elizabeth Taylor (1892-1984)*
Arthur Henry Taylor (1894-1971)
WILLIAM TAYLOR
*THIS CHILD WAS NAMED AFTER PETER PIDOTO'S WIFE WHO DIED IN 1931.
EventDeath Event registration number13443 Registration year1931
Personal information
Family namePIDOTO Given namesFrances Elizabeth SexFemale Father's nameTAYLOR William Mother's nameMary (Harrison*) Place of birth Place of deathCLIFTON HILL Age85
* The website above listing the children explains the Harrison connection.
I KNEW I'D FORGET SOMETHING.
How did I know the name of the Taylor property at Dromana?
It was mentioned in William Taylor's death notice in 1895. It contains an error which could seriously mislead family historians, stating that he was a son-in-law of W.Rowley. I presume that what was meant was that William Taylor was the BROTHER- in-law of WILLIAM Rowley (born 1864, reg. no.21465.)
WILLIAM'S DEATH NOTICE.
TAYLOR— On tho 29th May, at his residence, Spring
Hill, Dromana, of pneumonia, after six days illness,
William Taylor, the beloved husband of Mary Christina
Taylor, and brother of Mrs. Pidoto, Rowe-street, North
Fitzroy, and son-in-law of W Rowley, Rye, aged 46.
Deeply regretted.(P.1, The Age, 4-6-1895.)
HIS WIFE'S BIRTH RECORD. NOTE HER PARENTS' NAMES.
EventBirth Event registration number14380 Registration year1866
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesMary Christina SexUnknown Father's nameRobert Mother's nameChristina (Edwards) Place of birthDROMANA
The difficulties for family historians are complicated further by the year of death on William's gravestone at Dromana being clearly inscribed as 1896 rather than 1895.
The date of the issue containing the death notice has been checked and found to be correct.
WILLIAM'S GRAVESTONE PHOTO.
Luckily, I did not have to amend my 397 page manuscript, PIONEER BURIALS AT DROMANA, which contains William's obituary.
"31-5-1895. WILLIAM TAYLOR.
EventDeath, Event registration number5230, Registration year1895
Personal information
Family nameTAYLOR, Given namesWm, SexMale
Father's nameWm, Mother's nameMary (Harrison)
Place of birth, Place of deathDromana, Age46
An old resident of Dromana, Mr William Taylor, died on the 29th May, at the age of forty-seven years, the interment taking place in the local cemetery on Friday, the 31st May, the Rev. A. Taylor conducting the funeral service. The deceased, who leaves a widow and a young family of six children, was a resident of the district for forty years, and was much respected.(P.2,Mornington Standard, 13-6-1895.)
William Taylor’s burial at Dromana is recorded on the ozgen list. The age at death is given as 46 but the date of death inscribed on the gravestone is wrong; i.e. 29-5-1896. I believe that Mrs Frances Pidoto has had the gravestone erected quite some time after the burial."
I HATE LOOSE ENDS!
No burial of Mary Christine Taylor was found at the Dromana or Rye Cemeteries and I could find no record of her death on Victorian BDM. I tried a google search for MARY CHRISTINA ROWLEY MARRIED WILLIAM TAYLOR IN 1883 and discovered why, as well as TOWNSEND and MCNAB links.
TOWNSEND SURNAME IN AUSTRALIA
Mary Christina Rowley
F, b. 1866, d. 1958
Father: Robert Rowley b. c 1840 (sic, 1822)
Mother: Christena Edwards b. c 1840
Birth*: Mary Christina Rowley was born in 1866 at Dromana, Rye, Vic, AustraliaG.
She was the daughter of Robert Rowley and Christena Edwards.
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married William Taylor in 1883 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married Nathaniel James Townsend, son of John Townsend and Alison Mitchell, in 1896 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married Robert McNab in 1906 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Death*: Mary Christina Rowley died in 1958 at Rye, Vic, AustraliaG; Age 91 years.
Married Name: As of 1883,her married name was Taylor.
Married Name: As of 1896,her married name was Townsend.
Married Name: As of 1906,her married name was McNab.
Last Edited: 4 Feb 2008
Family 1: William Taylor b. c 1860
Marriage*: She married William Taylor in 1883 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Family 2: Nathaniel James Townsend b. 1867, d. 23 May 1904
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married Nathaniel James Townsend, son of John Townsend and Alison Mitchell*, in 1896 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Florence Mabel Townsend+ b. 1901, d. 1971
Frederick Stanley Townsend b. 1903, d. 1967
Family 3: Robert McNab b. c 1870
Marriage*: Mary Christina Rowley married Robert McNab in 1906 at Vic, AustraliaG.
Robert Rowley
M, b. circa 1840 (sic., 1822)
Birth*: Robert Rowley was born circa 1840.*
Marriage*: He married Christena Edwards circa 1860.
Last Edited: 3 Feb 2008
Family: Christena Edwards b. c 1840
Mary Christina Rowley+ b. 1866, d. 1958
* Robert was born in about 1820 according to the article about Frank Rowley of Munro. His death record almost agrees with this. His gravestone at Rye apparently states that he was "born London,(1822) arrived Sydney 8/7/1826" which accords with his death record.
EventDeath Event registration number14401 Registration year1911
Personal information
Family nameROWLEY Given namesRobt SexUnknown Father's nameRowley Jas Mother's nameElizth (King) Place of birth Place of deathPt Nepean Age89
It will be a mammoth, perhaps impossible, task to find any reference to Mrs McNab (or McNabb) at Rye on trove but I am fairly sure that Nell Arnold's history of Rye not only mentions this lady but reasonably specifically gives the location of her house.
* The mention of Allison Mitchell reignited my curiosity about the mysterious Mitchell family mentioned only once in relation to early Dromana on trove(in connection with John Mitchell, who, neglected by his family, died in 1862) and in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA (in connection to John Bryan, whose real name was Peter Watson, having married a Miss Mitchell.) I wondered whether Allison Townsend and Margaret Watson were daughters of the unfortunate John Mitchell and have managed to prove to my satisfaction that they were in my journal:
JOHN MITCHELL, NEGLECTED BY HIS FAMILY, DIED NEAR DROMANA, VIC., AUST., IN 1862.
The only surname mentioned above that does not seem to be connected with Dromana is McNAB. Robert Rowley, associated with the Nepean Peninsula in the early 1840's and again in about 1850 was living in Dromana near today's Carrigg St in 1860, and for some years after his marriage, before Rye claimed him as a pioneer. After the death of Nathaniel James Townsend, Robert's daughter may have moved to Rye and met her third husband, Robert McNab, there. It is of interest that Robert Rowley retained an interest in the Dromana area, purchasing land on the summit of Arthurs Seat in 1904.