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John Grant's biography in VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS: PAST AND PRESENT (1888)gives more detail about John's time at Campbellfield where he planted the first vast area of wheat in Victoria and I can supply much information about his time at Tullamarine, the relationships between the Grant and McNab families, the location of Seafield etc., but I can't recall details of his passage to Sydney and then Melbourne. I also don't recall seeing his parents named so I'll start with his death record. The present Melrose Drive in Tullamarine was the boundary between the shires of Keilor and Broadmeadows so his place of death could mean that he died in the shire of Keilor or that the death was registered in Keilor Village. John's parents may have been cousins.
EventDeath Event registration number12824 Registration year1904
Family nameGRANT Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameGrant Peter Mother's nameMary (Grant) Place of birth Place of deathKeilor Age92
The story of John Grant's voyage to Sydney and then Melbourne.
THE LATE MR. JOHN GRANT. A NOTED STOCKBREEDER.
The Queenslander (Brisbane, Qld. : 1866 - 1939) Saturday 21 January 1905 p 25 Article
ALEXANDER SIM THE YOUNGER, SETTLER, GRANTEE OF SECTION 6, PARISH OF HOLDEN NEAR SUNBURY, VIC., AUST.
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE COLONY OF VICTORIA.
In the Will of Alexander Sim, formerly of Edinburgh, in that part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain called Scotland, but late of the City of Melbourne, in the District of Port Phillip and New South Wales, now called as and being the Colony of Victoria, Builder, deceased.
NOTICE is hereby given, that upon the expiration of fourteen days from the date of publication hereof, application will be made to the said Supreme Court in Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction, that Probate of the Will of the said
Alexander Sim may be granted to Alexander Sim the younger, of the City of Melbourne aforesaid, Settler, Son of the said Testator, being the only one of the Executors nominated and appointed in and by the Will of the said
Testator now resident in the said Colony of Victoria.
Dated this 29th day of July, A.D, 1852. JAS. H. ROSS, Proctor for the said Executor.
(P.3, Argus, 30-7-1852.)
It certainly took a while before probate was applied for. This may have been because Alexander Sim the younger was not the oldest son and had a brother named Frank who was going to do this but died in 1852. Unfortunately there is little detail in Frank's death record to confirm this.
EventDeath Event registration number1913 Registration year1844
Family nameSIM Given namesAlexander SexMale Father's name Mother's name Place of birth Place of deathMelbourne Age65
EventDeath Event registration number3302 Registration year1852
Family nameSIM Given namesFrank SexMale Father's name Mother's name Place of birth Place of deathColl Age Spouse's family name Spouse's given names
The first instance in this province of a
funeral conducted with masonic honours occurred
yesterday, when the remains of Brother Alexander
Sim, late W. S. Warden of the Australasian Kil-
winning Lodge, were followed to the grave by the
R. W. M., Officers, and Brethren of that Lodge,
and a large number of the brethren of the sister
lodge. The ceremony attracted a large concourse
of spectators. (P.3, The Melbourne Weekly Courier, 20-9-1844.)
The surname was often written as Sims, as illustrated in "VICTORIA BEFORE 1848". (http://www.oocities.org/vic1847/s/s13.html?201714)
Mr Sim, in Oct 1839 employed James Lawrie aged 38, Bricklayer, who came on the David Clarke
Mr Sim, in Oct 1839 employed Archibald Mcmillan aged 46 and Mrs Mcmillan aged 42, who came on the David Clarke
Alexander Sim, Port Phillip Herald 13 Dec 1842 Page 2 standing for office of Town Surveyor
Alexander Sim, List No 7, 31 July 1844 letter at the Melbourne Post Office. Source - Port Phillip Herald 6 Aug 1844
Alexander Sim, letter at Geelong Post Office. Source - Geelong Advertiser 29 Aug 1844
Alexander Sim, Western Port District depasturing license for 1-30 Sept 1844. Source - Port Phillip Herald 15 Nov 1844
Alexander Sim, had a bag of sugar stolen by James Blake found Guilty by second jury for Supreme Court Mon 18 Nov 1844. Source - Melbourne Weekly Courier 23 Nov 1844
Alexander Sim, builder purchased from Thomas Jennings, Archibald McLachlan as Trustee has the Title Deeds for collection. Source - Melbourne Courier 25 July 1845
Alexander Sim, No 7, letters at Melbourne Post Office. Source - Melbourne Courier 5 Aug 1845
Alexander Sim Correspondence sold Western Port Restdown Plains to Rowe, John P**
Ann Sim, female wed Ebenezer Brown 1842 #4597 Church Of England St James, Melbourne
Charles Simms aged 18 came May 1847 with 338 on the Sir Thomas Arbuthnot
Daniel Simms departed 23 Feb 1841 from Melbourne for Hobart town arrived 5 March on the Flying Squirrel
Daniel Simms at Melbourne departed 23 Feb 1841 for Hobart town and arrived 5 March on the Flying Squirrel
Mr Simms arrived 1 June 1841 at Hobart from Port Phillip on 28 May, on the Flying Squirrel
Margaret Sim* 18 (single woman 33) House servant Prot both Edinburgh arrived 22 Oct 1841 on the Grindlay
Margaret Simms* arrived 1 Nov 1841 at Launceston from Port Phillip on the Corsair - source Launceston Courier 8 Nov 1841
Messrs Sim Letter at Post-office unclaimed 7 April 1847
William Simes Directory 1847 plasterer Richmond
(*It is possibly that Margaret Sim/ Simms was related. Although Margaret is not an uncommon Scottish given name, a native born Margaret Sim, whose mother was a McLeod, was discovered in my Victorian BDM search for SIM. The McLeods were early pioneers in the parish of Holden. The birth would have been REGISTERED at Sunbury.
EventDeath Event registration number2939 Registration year1863
Family nameSIM Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Father's nameDavid Mother's nameJanet (Mcleod) Place of birthSUNB Place of death Age8)
**POSTSCRIPT. The location of Restdown Plains is given later. There is much detail about John Pearson Rowe on a family history page. Paste http://www.rosfamilyhistory.esco.net.au/Rowe.htm into your search bar. He moved from Devil's River to Restdown Plains in 1853 and extended the homestead in which Alexander Sims would have dwelt.There are photos of the resultant building in early days and 2010. The fact that the name of Rochester is derived from his surname is fascinating."Restdown was on one of the busiest routes in the colony and to meet the travellers’ demand for accommodation, Rowe built a hotel nearby. A store and blacksmith also opened, and the small community became known as Rowechester (latin for Rowe’s settlement), later modified to Rochester. There is a plaque about John Pearson Rowe in the main street."
I wonder if this is mentioned in the Rochester Wikipedia page. IT IS!
"Rochester (via Rowechester) was named after Dr John Pearson Rowe, who had a hotel here before the township was gazetted in 1855. " Reference 2 is: Campaspe Shire, Placenames, retrieved 2009-05-01
I presume that via Rowechester is meant to imply that Rochester is a corruption of the original name.
Family researchers who possess the family tree will be able to determine which of these are related. There is no mention of Frank Sim. Alexander the Younger's run was near the Campaspe River (as will be shown re his purchase of section 6 Holden and a description of runs), and nowhere near Westernport. The Westernport District extended north at least as far as William Barker's run near Castlemaine which is included as well as the Cape Schanck and Boniyong runs leased by his brothers, which actually were near Westernport.
Alexander the younger had probably transferred his run before he became the pound keeper at Braybrook (although this could have been HIS son, Alexander Sim 3.)
VICTORIAN DEATH RECORDS.
EventDeath Event registration number1913 Registration year1844
Family nameSIM Given namesAlexander SexMale Father's name Mother's name Place of birth Place of deathMelbourne Age65
This is the only record with Alexander as the given name of the deceased or his father. The death of Alexander Sim the younger was also not discovered in a search of SIMS deaths before 1900. This lack of results could be due to Victorian BDM typos. For instance the given name of Alexander Sim, who died in 1876, (and in 1874 had been living on a hill near Marong for so long that he was invited to supply a name for a town that had developed in that location), is given as Alceander in his death record. This Alexander Sim was born in Argyll circa 1822.
An Alexander Sim was involVed in the formation of the football club at Hotham (North Melbourne) but I have found no evidence that he or Alexander who died at Marong were the settler, Alexander Sim, the Younger.
As my quest to find Alexander's descendants has struck a brick wall, I will leave this task to the person who has been tagging articles on trove as "Alexander Sim, builder."
The Kilwinning Lodge was a bit tardy celebrating its jubilee unless its acceptance of approval from the Grand Lodge of Scotland was deemed to be its beginning.
FREEMASONRY. JUBILEE OF THE AUSTRALASIAN KILWINNING LODGE N0. 2.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 16 February 1893 p 3 Article
It was formed at the suggestion of Brother Purves, who was probably James Purves, in 1841.
See MASONIC, about two thirds of the way into http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/226509835
I'd formed the impression that Alexander Sim the builder was a stone mason and that the early church described as a barn* was St James Old Cathedral which was later relocated near the Flagstaff Gardens.
EXTRACT FROM:OLD TIME MEMORIES. ST. JAMES'S OLD CATHEDRAL.
The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) Saturday 27 September 1924 p 68 Article Illustrated
The contractor for the stone work of St.James's was Mr. Alexander Sim, and the contractor for the woodwork Mr. George Beaver.
ALEXANDER SIM'S RUN.
It is yet to be proven that this Alexander Sim (an early overlander) was, or was related to, Alexander Sim the builder or his son, the settler.
EXTRACT FROM: PASTORAL PIONEERS THE IMLAYS (No. 96)
The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946) Saturday 19 October 1935 p 4 Article
There were three Imlay brothers,
George, Alexander, and Peter. George and
Alexander were medical men. George was
found dead in the bush on Boxing Day,
1846. He had been out shooting near the
homestead, and, it was thought, shot him
self by accident. Alexander died in Syd-
ney three months later. In the early
'forties the Imlays were interested in Port
Phillip runs. They sent their superin-
tendent, Alexander Sim, across the border
on the tracks of McMillan and Macallister,
and he took up Fulham, a squatting area
of 16,000 acres on the Thomson, north
west of Sale, although the name Fulham
was given to the property by a later oc-
cupant, Francis Desailly.
Ballendella is a rural locality in the Rochester Irrigation District, 7 km north of Rochester and 20 km south of Echuca. It is situated on the Northern Highway, a few kilometres west of the Campaspe River.
Ballendella is situated on part of the former Restdown Plains pastoral run (1840). It is thought that the name was that of an Aboriginal whose father acted as a guide for the New South Wales Surveyor General, Major Thomas Mitchell, on his expedition to western Victoria in 1836. (Another authority suggests the name is derived from an Aboriginal word meaning resting place).
BALLENDELLA is 24.7 km south south west of Echuca via Northern Hwy/B75. Alexander Sim's Restdown Plains would probably have adjoined the western boundary of John O'Dea's run.The Campaspe River adjoins the Murray River near Echuca not far west of the junction of the Murray and Golburn. This Alexander Sim was almost certainly the grantee of section 6 Holden whose address was given as Campaspie (sic)in 1850.
The name of Alexander's run would be an apt description that an overlander would use after the huge ordeal of getting a huge flock across the Murray. Perhaps Alexander the younger was the overseer mentioned above re the IMLAYS.
CROWN LANDS BEYOND THE SETTLED DISTRICT. P.1, ARGUS, 3-4-1849.
I stated earlier that the Westernport District extended as far north as Castlemaine, but it is now clear that this confusingly-named district went right to the Murray River.
The headings for the columns were:
number of claim as gazetted; name of applicant; name of run applied for to lease; party lodging caveat against issue of such lease.
96... W.M.HUNTER... KINGOWAR... PATTERSON AND SIM (also John Catto of 65, Catto's run.)
144 PATRICK O'DEA JUNCTION OF GOLBURN AND MURRAY ALEXANDER SIM (also John Bett who was not applying for a lease.)
156... ALEXANDER SIM... RESTDOWN PLAINS... PATRICK O'DEA
Caveats often involved disputes about the vague run boundaries. This run description shows the proximity of the runs of Alexander Sim, John Bett and Patrick O'Dea.
Name of run—Wharparella
Estimated area—76,000 acres
Estimated grazing capabilities—12,000
Commencing at a point of the Murray
river bounding with Messrs Collyer,
bearing southerly along a belt of timber
for 5½ miles, and bounded by Messrs
Collyer ; thence S W about 8 miles,
bounded by Messrs Collyer ; thence S 4
miles bounded by person unknown, thence
NE 8 miles, bounded by Messrs J Aitken
and A Sim ; thence north easterly by belt
of timber 7 miles, and bounded by Mr
Sim to the Campaspie river ; thence by
the Campaspie river southerly to the
boundary with Mr Sim on the east side
2 miles ; thence easterly for 5 miles, and
bounded by Mr Sim and Mr O'Dea;
thence northerly to the junction of the
Murray and Goulburn 7½ miles, bounded
by Mr O'Dea, and on the north by the
Murray river to the commencing point
12 miles.(P.1, Argus, 26-9-1848.)
EXTRACT FROM: https://mplayne.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/the-squatters-on-pastoral-runs-on-the-campaspe-river-victoria-1837-1854/
Cooper, William, overseer – ‘Restdown Plains’ for Alexander Sim, 1847
EXTRACT FROM: https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/provenance-journal/provenance-2008/landscapes-abundance-and-scarcity-northern
The changing landscape of pastoralism can be traced through the documentary record held for Restdown Plains station taken up on the Campaspe River in 1841 by John Hays for Captain George Benson.10 In looking for land for a run, David Munro came across Restdown Plains in the drought year of 1842, the same year the station was sold to David Kelsh.
Affected by the financial crisis of 1842, Kelsh sold the station and his 3500 sheep to Alexander Sim in November 1843.12 In March 1848, Sim stocked 500 cattle and 12,000 sheep on a run of 106,922 acres that incorporated a head station and nine outstation huts, six of which were located on the Campaspe River.
MY THEORY IS THAT ALEXANDER SIM THE YOUNGER BECAME A POUNDKEEPER AT BULLOCK CREEK (WHEREVER THAT WAS) WHEN HE SOLD THE LEASE OF HIS RESTDOWN PLAINS RUN AS MENTIONED BEFORE AND THAT AFTER HE'D SOLD PORTION 6, HOLDEN TO JOHN DICKINS IN 1852, HE BECAME THE POUNDKEEPER AT BRAYBOOK. AFTER RESIGNING THERE IN 1853, HE MAY HAVE MOVED BY 1854 TO MCCALLUM'S CREEK*, WHICH MIGHT HAVE BEEN NEAR BENDIGO, POSSIBLY MAKING THE ALEXANDER SIM WHO DIED AT MARONG IN 1876 ALEXANDER SIM THE YOUNGER.
(*Alexander of McCallum's Creek wrote his notice with a poundkeeper's touch! Not surprising because he'd been a poundkeeper at Bullock Creek and then Braybrook!
TAKEN from M'Callum's Creek, on the 4th
November, a Black Mare, small whlte speck
on forehead, llttle white on both hind feet,
branded S within C, over D, on near shoulder,
and sold at M'Pherson's Auction Mart, Bendigo,
on the 8th Instant. Any person detaining the said
mare after this notlce will bc prosecuted accord-
ing to law. Apply to ALEXANDER SIM, M'Cal
lum's Creek, or to DONALD M'INTYRE. 102
Bourkestreet east, Melbourne.(P.8, Argus, 22-12-1854.)
THE bay filly with large star and white snip on the nose and no visible brand,(th?)ought to be like SH on off shoulder, and the mare, aged and saddle marked, Jy on near neck, has also like B or R on near shoulder,
To be sold on 23rd August if not claimed.
ALEXANDER SIM,Poundkeeper. Bullock Creek Pound. (P.4, Argus, 8-8-1851.)
POUNDKEEPERS.- The following appointments were announced in yesterday's Gazette ;-Braybrook Pound-
Mr. George Scarborough, in room of Mr. Alexander Sim.(P.5, Argus, 25-8-1853.)
WHERE WAS THE BRAYBROOK POUND?
NOTICE is hereby given that, the
Public Pound at Footscray, in the
County of Bourke, will be removed from
its present site to Braybrook, near Solo-
mon's Ford in the said County, and that
the same shall be henceforth called the
By order of the
Bench of Magistrates,
Clerk Petty Sessions,
March 27th, 1849.
The heritage consultants who insist that Clancy's ford at Melway 27 B8 was Solomon's Ford wouldn't have a clue.
The pound yards shown on the map would be at the middle of 27 D9 and the ford was south of Rhonda St as indicated by the track made by such as George Russell on the Cut Cut Paw (south) side of the river.
FIND LOCATIONS OF BULLOCK CREEK AND MCCALLUM'S CREEK.
I thought this would be an impossible task (like Red Hill or Deep Creek) but just before the first mention of Alexander Sim at the Bullock Creek Pound, there were only 13 results for "Bullock Creek"in 1850.
The Mount Alexander (Castlemaine) correspondent to the Argus mentioned that a pound and police station were to be established at this place.(P.2, Argus, 26-10-1850.)
An old gardener at an inn on the Loddon road was cruelly kicked in the behind by his boss and crawled to the Carlesrue Inn where he was given medical attention but he was still in a bad way. (P.2, Argus, 8-11-1850.)
Carlesrue is at a bend in the old Calder Highway not too far south of Kyneton. There may* have been a Carlesrue Inn farther north near Mount Byng, the name Thomas Mitchell had given to Mount Alexander. This peak was to be one of the sites of the bonfires to celebrate the proclamation of Victoria as a colony.Those organising the beacon included H.N.Simpson, the man who paid for the old gardener's medical attention.(P.4, Port Phillip Gazette and Settlers' Journal, 1-10-1850.)
(*This is unlikely however because those in charge of the beacon on Mount Byng included the Myers brothers. One of these brothers was the ancestor of the man who subdivided the Journeaux grant (south of Myers Rd at Melway 161 J 7-9 east to Tubbarubba Rd) circa 1900. They had a run at Myer's Flat near Bendigo so it looks as if settlers from near the Carlesrue Inn and Bullock Creek would have been represented too.)
There may be more than one creek with this name but I believe that in 1854 Alexander Sim was near Maryborough. The first mention of McCallums Creek in Victoria on trove was in 1855, with only four results, one of which involved two Maryborough auctioneers and a Sandhurst man charged with the theft of McIntyre's horse. Alexander may have been managing a run for McIntyre.
See these google results.: http://www.whereis.com/vic/dunach-3371/mccallums-creek-rd
the holden map and details of purchasers link
GOVERNMENT LAND SALE
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 7 September 1850 p 2
PARISH OF HOLDEN.
210 541a, portion 6, Alexander Sim, Campaspe(his address) £1 14 s(per acre, the upset price probably being a pound.) These details are the same as on the list accompanying the following map of the parish of Holden. The description of the boundaries, the date of his sale of the property to John Dickins who called it Coldhigham etc. follow the link to the map (which you'll have to copy into your search bar.)
THE MAP (Map 1) AND LIST OF PURCHASERS (Map 2).
JOHN DICKINS PURCHASED SECTION 6, PARISH OF HOLDEN FROM ALEXANDER SIM THE YOUNGER ON 19-6-1852 FOR 3000 POUNDS.
Having paid one pound 14 shillings per acre for the supposedly 541 acres (1.7 pounds x 541 acres= L919 14s) in 1850, Alexander sold it for more than three times as much less than two years later.
Extract from my dictionary history of Bulla journal.
COLDHIGHAM LODGE/COLDINGHAM LODGE. See DICKINS/DICKENS. (The former is the correct spelling of the surname and the farm name.)
Melway 176 E9 (central point); north west corner near 195 Bulla-Diggers Rest Rd.
Section 6,parish of Holden, consisting of 541 acres granted to A.Simms. It was bounded on the north by an eastern continuation of the line of the road from the Diggers Rest hotel to Dickins Corner (Melway 176 D7.) This boundary continued east to Jacksons Creek, the eastern and northern boundary, and the western boundary was a creek flowing south-south-east into Jacksons Creek at 176 C10.
A google search for Coldhigham Lodge produced the following.
JOHN DICKINS first slaughterman in Port Phillip Colony
DICKINS John 1812-1899.
John Dickins born on 27 May 1812 at Rothersthorpe England, and died on 30 October 1899, at Bulla Victoria. Australia. John, with his parents and brother Stephen moved to COLD HIGHAM LODGE, Pattishall via Towcester, (photo below right) Northamptonshire England, from Rothersthorpe on approximately 18 March 1814.
John and Margaret (Rice) Dickins (John's parents) farmed on their property at Pattishall during their lifetime, until approximately 1854. On 18 October 1828, John Dickins (the son) became an apprentice to James Phipps, Butcher, of Northamptonshire, for the period of 8 years. John's father had to pay James Phipps the sum of thirty five pounds for his apprenticeship.
At the end of the year 1839, John decided to migrate to Australia. He came on the sailing vessel 'China' and arrived in Melbourne Australia on 1 May 1840. The voyage taking approximately six months.
On the journey John acted as the ship's butcher. After arriving in Melbourne he took a position as a slaughterman at the abattoir (then on the Yarra River, where the Gas Works were later built). John was the first master slaughterman in Melbourne having slaughtered the first cattle at Fisherman's Bend. After 12 months at this occupation he opened his own slaughter house, on the salt water river. Cattle were herded by drovers down from northern New South Wales and Queensland, to his slaughter house. On the 24 April 1842 he married a widow, Catherine Maloney (previous married name O'Brien). Catherine had come out to Australia on the same vessel as John. After their marriage they lived firstly on the salt water river, near their slaughter house, and then later, John bought 2 acres of land and they built a 2 storey home on this land, at Phillipstown (now Union Street Brunswick). They lived there for some years before selling it to a market gardener. On 19 June 1852* John purchased 541 acres (more or less) which, when surveyed on 22 April 1895 was found to be 646 acres, 1 rod (sic, rood), 7 perches. in the Parish of Holden for the sum of 3000 pounds from Alexander Sim. The Agents for Mr. Sim were Messrs. Mickle and Bakewell.
(*This obviously came from a title document so 1851 and 1854 are both wrong.)
Isaac Batey wrote many articles about the pioneers of the Sunbury area under his own name later on for the Sunbury newspaper. I've read them all and I've only found one mistake, in regard to David O'Nial's Lady of the Lake Hotel (at Melway 5H11 near Millar Rd.)which he gave another name (the Lady of the Lady if I recall correctly), unfortunately resulting in this error being repeated in the Tullamarine Methodist Church centenary souvenir of 1970. I am sure that it was Isaac Batey who wrote this article in 1892 as RAMROD and that there is information in it that I did not find in his later articles. There are terrific descriptions of the pioneers (rivalled only by Harry Huntington Peck's MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN)and other details such as their arrivals, locations, capabilities, relationships and so on that won't be found elsewhere.
Pages 3 and 4, The Bacchus Marsh Express,19-11-1892.
(I acknowledge the terrific efforts of GraemeSymington, mlizziec and Robin.Vowels to correct the digitisation. I have taken the liberty of dividing this extremely long account into paragraphs in order to make it easier to read.)
THE MEN OF 1846 IN SUNBURY AND
IN a recent issue of the Express appeared an ex-
tract from the Australasian, which in historical
data was misleading. Having resided in the
district I am writing about off and on since Jan-
uary, 1846, I propose to give an account of the
runs, and the gentlemen who occupied them in
that remote era. Being too young at that time
I cannot clearly define the boundaries of the
respective stations, but I can give what is called
"the general lay," and with reference to the
holders I can speak with authority. Moreover,
by way of giving an interest to this paper, I shall
mention names of people who had temporarily
squatted down, or were about, before our advent.
As a starting point Red Stone Hill will be
selected. Originally old John Brock pitched on
this run in a basin with a hill in its centre, and
that locality with us has ever been styled
"Brook's bottom." Mr. Brock must have
located on the spot referred to in 1835, and that
he had remained some time was shown in the
mounds of two sod built huts. He informed the
late Mr. Martin Batey why he built on this par-
ticular hill was because it was timberless, and
convenient to the water. The main considera-
tion was that no blacks could approach unseen.
From this place I cannot trace his movements*
save that in 1846* he held the Bolinda Vale run,
which never belonged to Mr. W. J. T. Clarke
until he obtained the Special Survey from the
New South Wales Government when this colony
was on the eve of separation in 1851. The sur-
vey surrounded Brock's homestead, and that
gentleman's folks took up the pre-emptive right
further north. Mr. Brock was a Scotchmnan.
One of his sons, named Alexander, married
Rachel, eldest daughter of Mr. Lewis Clarke,
uncle to the baronet.
(MY COMMENT. John Brock's run near Bolinda was probably lost to the special survey. John Brock is the one who led me to this article. I'd just finished reading VICTORIAN PLACES- BUNDOORA which described how Janefield (now Latrobe University) was named after the wife of his son, James. There was until recently a farm of 180 acres at Greenvale between Somerton Rd and "Dunhelen" named "Brocklands" after John Brock. It was originally called North Springfield and owned by an elderly Miss McKerchar but after her death it was bought by the Gamble family, related to the Brocks; the southern half of the original 360 acre Springfield" grant becoming a dairy farm owned by Wal French after whom French Rd. was named. Brocklands was bought by Aitken College and the school is now surrounded by a large new estate.)
Besides Brock a Mr. Dare had sat down on the place, and on the Emu
Creek traces of the domicile of Mr. Samms are to
be seen yet. Those enumerated would be on
Red Stone Hill previous to 1840. Afterwards
the run was in the hands of Shaw and Bakewell,
in partnership, but whether it was John or
Robert Bakewell I cannot say. The late Mr.
Mathew Ingle Browne, of Dennistoun's old
Greenhills run (MY COMMENT. TOOLERN VALE), stated to Martin Batey that Mr.
Shaw was a relative of his. Shaw's hut-it was
nothing but huts then-was habitable on our
arrival. He had also built a slab-walled shingled
roofed woolshed, apparently at more recently
erected structure. Red Stone Hill was purchased from Mr. William Postlethwaite, who had also
been in partnership with one of the Bakewells.
The names of the two new partners in this ven-
ture were Frederick Nevins Flintoff, and Martin
Batey. It was a small place, containing only
2,780 acres, but its capacity was up to a sheep to
Flintoff and BatEy were from the
county of Durham, passengers per the Ferguson,
Peter Virtue commander; Jamieson, 1st; Henry
Goen, 2nd; and Lionel Pilkington, 3rd mate;
George Norris, surgeon; William Goen and -
Mere midshipmen. The Ferguson, 555 tons
register, made the voyage from Plymouth to
Port Philip in sixteen weeks to a day, and cast
anchor off Liardet's beach* on the 15th January, (*PORT MELBOURNE)
1841. Let me now ascend Red Stone Hill.
the west we have Glencoe*, now Digger's Rest,(*SITE OF THE SUNBURY POPS FESTIVAL)
proprietored by the two brothers John William,
and Edward Page, and worthy men they were,
but awfully happy-go-lucky. These men were
from Kent. Mr. Batey interviewed them in
January, 1840, when the brothers informed him
that they had been on the station going on
eleven years. At this rate they arrived in 1835.
How their run was called Glencoe came about
in this wise. Edward Page happening to be in
town an old Highlandman asked what name he
had bestowed on the squattage ? Page replied
"none yet." When the Caledonian said " call
it Glencoe, and I'll stand sam all round."
Glencoe was considered a good sized pasturage,
containing as it did 7,040 acres. John Page was
a very handsome man, with full black beard,
worn short, a pale face, and in his deportment
decidedly a gentleman. Edward was also good
looking, but had no education. Both died poor.
Handsome, sprightly, John departed this life in
1862, in the 43rd year of his age, at Woodend.
Edward, who might be five years older, died
To the south and east was the
run of Brodie Brothers, related on the maternal
side to Sir John Sinclair, of Caithness, North
Britain. Richard Sinclair managed the station,
whilst his elder brother, George Sinclair Brodie,
conducted the business of an auctioneer in Mel-
Some years ago a short but excellent
story appeared in the Leader, entitled Malcolm
Donald's* courtship, and one of the characters
was called Dick Brodie.
(See James Malcolm's 'Olrig' homestead - Craigieburn Historical Interest ...
The language was so
like that of Brodie that I recognised him at once,
while the other was changed, as an American
would put it, by turning the back name to the
front. In short, it was the history of Donald
Malcolm's courtship and marriage of a governess
out the way of Kinlochewe, now Cragieburn, if
memory serves. Brodie used to speak of Mal-
colm marrying the lady in question.
run was extensive, for it ran up between the
Emu and Deep creeks, bounding John Slade
Headlam's, and I think it touched on the Fen
ton's Hill run, owned by W. J. T. and Lewis
This station, belonging to" Big Clarke,"
as he was commonly designated, was in charge
of his brother Lewis, who, according to Brodie,
was the worst sheep manager on that side of the
country. The station was once owned by a com-
pany of tradesmen in Van Diemans Land, small
shopkeepers, I believe, and as they were mostly
from the land of bannocks they were dubbed the
"Dirty Scotch Company." Their manager's
name was Fenton. Whether the Messrs. Clarke
acquired this station from the company referred
to I am unable to say. This I do know that it
was the only squatting property that W. J. T.
and L. Clarke held in the Sunbury district till
1851, when the elder brother took up the special
survey. Till that date Mr. Lewis Clarke resi
ded on the Fenton's Hill run, the homestead
being situated on the lower end of the Congre-
gatta* creek, a stream coming down from Chintin, (PROBABLY KONAGADERRA)
and flowing about midway between the Emu
and Deep creeks. On the purchase of the survey
(Clarke) that gentleman went to reside in Brock's
house at Bolinda. Mr. W. J. T. Clarke, when
down from his Dowling Forest station in the
vicinity of Ballarat, lived with his brother in
Brock's old house.
The dwelling on Jackson's
creek, which the Australasian credits Mr. W. J.
T. Clarke with having erected, was built by the
late Captain Robert Gardiner towards the end of
his lesseeship of Bolinda. The Captain, in con-
junction with Mr. Lewis Clarke, rented all Mr.
W. J. T. Clarke's land with the exception of
Rockbank. On the expiration of Clarke and
Gardiner's tenancy the baronet* became the lessee (SIR WM JN CLARKE, SON OF WILLIAM JOHN TURNER "BIG" CLARKE.)
of the Bolinda and Rockbank properties, and
resided in the house rebuilt by the Captain till the
completion of Rupertswood mansion, If the
late Mr. W. J. T. Clarke ever lived in this house
of Gardiner's it was only as a visitor. The
Brodies held what was then considered an exten-
sive tract of country, for besides the run already
spoken of part of the station was on the east side
of the Deep creek. They occupied country at
Cragieburn, and a block on the Coliban, but I
fancy the last mentioned was Richard's exclu-
sively. Both those brothers are now dead.
Richard went over to the great majority on the
18th of January, 1872, and George about 1881.
Richard Sinclair Brodie was a great raconteur,
for he had the histories of the old squatters at
his finger ends, and though of an eccentric turn
of mind he was possessed of splendid mental
gifts, which would have enabled him to cut a
figure in the history of the colony had he been
able to overcome his diffidence.
Joining Brodies on the south was the holding of Major
Firebrace*; whilst nearer to Melbourne was that
of the late Mr. Pomeroy Greene, father of Moles-
worth Greene, Esq., of Greystones near Bacchus
Marsh. Major Firebrace was in occupation in
1846, but I think he must have left not long
after that year or else the writer would have
remembered the date of his departure.
(*BETWEEN SOMERTON RD AND DUNHELEN INCLUDING SPRINGFIELD,AND (GLENARTHUR AND WALTHAM, NOW THE RESERVOIR.)
In reference to Mr. Pomeroy Greene I cannot say if he
was alive in 1846. A photograph of Woodlands
house, the gift of Mr. Molesworth Greene's mother,
is in the possession of my family. Old Smith,
the butler, is standing on the verandah. Mrs.
Anne Greene, at her own expense, built St.
Mary's church at Woodlands, a substantial blue
stone structure, which was formally opened on
the 14th December, 1858.
On that day the
Rev. Charles Perry - Bishop oF Melbourne,
attended by the now patriarchal Dean Hussey
Burgh Macartney, administered the rite of con-
firmation to several young people, amongst whom
was Miss Fanny Wright, daughter of Tulip
Wright, the first chief Constable of Melbourne.
Among those at the opening ceremony was the
foundress, Mrs. Anne Greene, her brother, Mr.
Griffith, Sir William and Lady Stawell*, Messrs. (SIR WILLIAM STAWELL MARRIED ANNE GREENE'S DAUGHTER)
Rawdon F. and William F. Greene, and, I think,
some younger members of the family. Possibly
Mr. Molesworth Greene was also present. In
this church a baptismal font* and a memorial (THE FONT WAS A PRESENT FROM ESSENDON IN ENGLAND.)
window are erected to the memory of Mrs.
Across from Woodlands on the Deep
Creek was the run of Mr. Coghill*, (*GLENCAIRN-SOUTHERN PART OF GLENARA, AND CUMBERLAND, SOUTH OF WOODLANDS)
but it is out of my recollection if he occupied it under a
squatting license in 1846. (GLENCAIRN, SECT.16 TULLAMARINE GRANTED 16-12-1848, CUMBERLAND IN WILL WILL ROOK POSSIBLY BOUGHT FROM THOMAS WILLS, OVERLANDER AND UNCLE OF TOM WILLS AND H.C.HARRISON, CREATOR AND CODIFIER OF AUSSIE RULES.)
Again to Red Stone
Hill. This place was bounded on the west and
north by Kurrakurracup*, owned by the brothers (*KOORAKOORACUP ACCORDING TO SYMONDS IN BULLA BULLA)
William and Samuel Jackson, pioneers of 1835,
per schooner Enterprise, her first voyage up the
Yarra with permanent settlers.
On that occasion John Pascoe Fawkner remained behind sick* (*NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE TILL DEBTS SETTLED-C.P.BILLOT)
at Georgetown, Tasmania. Brodie's version was
that the father of Australian journalism was too
frightened to venture across Bass's strait.
Jacksons were Londoners. Samuel followed the
profession of an architect, and he designed St.
Francis's Roman Catholic cathedral, corner of
Elizabeth and Lonsdale streets. I do not sup-
pose he planned the whole of the structure, yet
what it was when first opened was Mr. Jackson's
work. William Jackson was in partnership with
his brother in the Sandford station over Portland
Bay district, and I believe his nephew resides
William Jackson (or, as his familiars
designated him, "The General" albeit a brusque,
abrupt, pompous man, at bottom was a very
worthy fellow. His house-a pizey one, that is
to say that its walls were composed of Egyptian
bricks on a large scale-stood on the fiat south
of the Rupertswood residence. Jackson, when
the late W. J. T. Clarke took up the survey,
having a comfortable little competency, resolved
to retire from squatting pursuits, and sailed for
London at the end of 1851, as near as memory
serves. Before leaving he went round to bid
all his co-pioneers adieu. He died before 1860,
whilst the demise of his brother is comparatively
Joining Kurrakurracup on the north
was the pretty little walk of Emu Bottom,( A GUESS-the run of George Evans who had come from)
Essex, and who as a mere boy had fought under
Lord Nelson either at Copenhagen or the more
memorable battle of Trafalgar. He acquired the
pre-emptive right section now in the occupation
of Mr. Robert Evans, his eldest son. "Uncle
George," as he was called, came over with the
Jacksons in 1835, aboard the schooner Enterprise.
He died about 1876, and if he had seen a day he
must have seen 90 odd years.
On the Emu
Creek was the station of John Slade Headlam,
in partnership with his brother William Head-
lam, who died manager of Moira, on the Murray,
Above Clarke's Fentons Hill run,
and on the upper course of the Congreegatta
creek, was Murphy's homestead. I do not re-
member if Murphy occupied it in 1846.
property ran from Bolinda to the Sugarloaf, on
the Deep creek, not far from Romsey.
the Deep creek from Brock's was Chintin, owned
by Mr. Purves, father of the eminent Q.C. Mr.
Purves, senior, who followed the profession of a
merchant in Melbourne, was a great sporting
man; kept a stud of horses, and owned the
celebrated racing mare Bessie Bedlam.
(JAMES HEARN WHO MARRIED BIG CLARKE'S SISTER, BIG CLARKE, JOHN VANS AGNEW BRUCE, WHO BUILT THE RAILWAY THROUGH SUNBURY, AND JAMES PURVES WERE ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUNBURY AREA AND THE MORNINGTON PENINSULA, AS DISCUSSED IN MY JOURNALS, HEARN OF THORNGROVE AT THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF WILL WILL ROOK, LAST LESSEE OF THE MOUNT MARTHA RUN AND GRANTED MUCH OF IT, CLARKE AND BRUCE OWNED THE PRESENT SAFETY BEACH AREA EAST TO BULLDOG CREEK ROAD, AND PURVES WAS THE LAST LESSEE OF THE TOOTGAROOK RUN, GRANTED MUCH OF IT.)
Purves's in the great elbow of the Deep creek,
where the village of Darraweitguim is now situ-
ated, was Lovelybanks, belonging to Dollar
Steele. I imagine old Tom Brock had a strip of
squatting country adjoining Steele's seeing he
got a pre-emptive right on the west bank of the
Deep creek. Opposite to T. Brock's was Broad-
hurst's and Tootal's, whilst below them was the
run occupied by William Rigg.
Just above Steele's, on the No. 3 creek, was
Major Boyd's. I met the old Major in 1863 at a
party given by Mr. Macmartin, who had purchased
Tom Brock's homestead. Major Boyd was then in
his 78th year, died soon after.
At Lancefield Mr. Dunsford had a station,
and that town bears the name Dunsford gave it.
(THE LANCEFIELD ROAD HEADING NORTH FROM THE CONSTITUTION HOTEL WAS KNOWN AS THE DUNSFORD TRACK.)
He was in partnership with Bear* and Godfrey".(*PROBABLY JOHN PINNEY BEAR AND FREDERICK RACE GODFREY. JAMES PURVES' DAUGHTER MARRIED J.R. GODFREY. THE GODFREYS ESTABLISHED "MT. RIDLEY" WHICH THE PURVES WOULD HAVE PASSED ON THEIR WAY TO CHINTON.)
Up beyond Lancefield was
Doctor Baynton's, and off towards Pyalong,
Mollison's, known amongst old hands under the
nick-name of "Bulleyed Mollison." Between
Lancefield and Kilmore was Captain Kane's. I
am doubtful if he was there in 1848. Kane's run
in later times was held successively by Fraser
and Donald Ferguson.
Kinlochewe (ROCKY WATERHOLES) was the
squattage of James and Donald Malcolm.
I believe that, besides joining Jackson's, George
Evans's holding touched on Riddell's and
Hamilton's Cairnhill, and John Aitken's.
Mr.William Robertson held Wooling, and was
bounded by Riddell and Hamilton. Matson's
was out in what is now the Bullengarook West
division of Gisborne. From what I can learn
Mr. Ross Watt was in the occupation of Rosslyne
as far back as 1843. John Aitken, of Mount
Aitken, I fancy run pretty well up to Gisborne,
and he would touch most likely northwards on
Evans, Riddell, and Hamilton ; and on the Green-
hills, now Mr. Browne's.
(ISAAC'S IDEA OF THE SUNBURY DISTRICT IS RATHER ELASTIC, JUST AS WAS MINE OF THE BULLA DISTRICT WHEN I WROTE MY DICTIONARY HISTORY OF BULLA. THE PARISHES SOUTH AND WEST OF JACKSONS CREEK ARE COVERED IN SOME DETAIL AND THE RUMOUR THAT BATMAN'S DAUGHTER WAS BURIED NEAR TOOLERN VALE IS DISCOUNTED.ONE OF THE GRANTEES NEAR TOOLERN VALE HAD THE QUEER SURNAME OF SNOWBALL!)
The latter has been
adverted to as belonging to Dunnistown. It was
managed by one of the Colliers, which I know
not. There were two Colliers-John and William
-both of whom married daughters of John
Batman. Aitken would meet Page and Jackson
on the east, while possibly he joined Yuille to the
south, and Pyke on the west.
homestead was on that part of the Kororoit
Creek where the Rockbank hotel was built
during the rush to Blackwood diggings. Yuille
would bound James Robertson's Keilor or
Aberfeldie run. (YUILLES RUN WAS THEREFORE IN THE PARISH OF HOLDEN. JAMES ROBERTSON'S RUN WAS UPPER KEILOR IN THE PARISH OF MARIBYRNONG. IT ADJOINED WILLIAM TAYLOR'S "OVERNEWTON" AND WENT WEST TO SYDENHAM. HIS DILAPIDATED HOMESTEAD IS BETWEEN THE KEILOR PUBLIC GOLF COURSE AND DEEP CREEK. I DON'T THINK HIS ABERFELDIE LAND (ORIGINALLY CALLED SPRING HILL AND LEASED BY DUGAL MCPHAIL) OR MAR LODGE BETWEEN McCRACKEN ST AND WILLIAM HOFFMAN'S BUTZBACH WERE PART OF A RUN. THE PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA WAS ALIENATED PRETTY EARLY AND HE SECURED THE GRANTS.)
I believe the late James
Pinkerton's station extended from the Werribee
(where I saw his old house in 1868) to the
present Rockbank home-station. Pinkerton
would bound Mr. Simon Staughton's Exford
station, and Pyke's Melton run. Some years
ago I write in the Australasian that the Pykes
owned Melton, when a certain person asserted
that they never held it at any time. Also that
their place was at Ballan. In those days the
bulk of squatters bore an alias. Thus there was
"Hungry Pyke" and "Gentleman Pyke." A
third brother was Doctor Pyke. Gentleman
Pyke was, I take it, the one at Ballan, whilst
the other two were at Melton, died, and were
buried there. Mr. P. Murphy, and Mr. J. L.
Robertson, Melton, saw the graves some distance
from Melton, perhaps a mile. One tombstone
records the death of the two brothers, and as
Mr. Murphy took a copy of the inscription I
give it for the edification of the readers of the
Express :-William Pyke, Surgeon, died Sept.
20th, 1850, aged 35 years; George Pyke, died
July 15th, 1855, aged 35 years.
Wedge, whose station was about Wyndham, was
drowned in the great Werribee flood of the 27th
May, 1852. Langhorne's was somewhere down
I believe on what is the Chirnside estate.
Of the names of the squatters enumerated I once
saw Mr. John Aitken, who struck me as being a
very handsome man. I have seen one of the
Colliers occasionally--a fine, well-looking man,
of true English yeoman cut. Some years ago
the Hon . T. F. Hamilton informed me that the
surviving Collier had amassed sufficient money
to enable him to buy the estate he was born on
I knew Messrs. William John
Turner and Lewis Clarke well. They were
Somersetshire men of magnificent physical
development, more especially the elder brother,
but Lewis was decidedly a handsome fellow.
George Evans I was thoroughly acquainted with.
He was more like an English country squire
than any of the settlers. He was a jolly-looking,
brisk, hearty, hospitable old gentleman, of a fine
appearance, and unlike the common run of his
fellows a very temperate man. Though his
education was limited he had the courtliness of
the old school. With us young fellows it was a
point of duty to call on Mr. Evans at his town
house. The old gentleman, on bidding him fare-
well, never omitted to thank us with the greatest
cordiality for coming to see him. On those
occasions he would say "I'll see Batey, Brodie,
and the rest of them out, yes, yes, damnnit." Of
the ancient standards he saw them all depart
within some half dozen. John Slade Headlam
I saw frequently. He was a stoutish gentlemanly
looking person, apparently a gentleman farmer's
son. With Richard Sinclair Brodie I was most
intimate, and passionate though he was there
were only two falls out between us. Brodie was
an expert penman, and instead of forwarding a
verbal message he invariably wrote. Martin
Batey was his greatest friend, consequently that
gentleman's family have scores of letters from
Brodie's hand. Mr. Brodie must have arrived
sometime in 1836, because the ewes that Page
brought over in 1835 yewed their lambs where
Brodie afterwards established his headquarters.
William Jackson I knew pretty well, but never
saw his brother Samuel that I can recollect.
"The General," unlike most of the squatters of
the day on that line, wore a coat instead of the
universal blue serge shirt. Headlam, by way of
distinction, sported a red one. The writer has
seen Mr. James Pinkerton frequently, and a very
I fine old gentleman was he, with his broad Scotch
dialect, I was also acquainted with William Rigg,
and once met Duncan Malcolm. Pages I knew
well. The younger brother John left Glencoe in
1855; Edward in 1859. John Mickle, one of
our very early stocksales men, often came out
into the country. Mickle, a fine burly Scot,
married one of the Misses Lilburne, a lady pretty
near as tall as he was himself. Amongst those
who were about then, or had been in the neigh-
bourhood, were Slodden, Sherwin, Hyde, Mac-
Leod, Chisholm. Bob Aitken, and Whitesides, a
connection of Captain Foster Fyans. There
were three brothers Francis, John, and Thomas
Jones Perry, Berkshire gentlemen, whom I knew
well. I have seen Richard Waltham Sutton,
owner of the celebrated Suffolk punch Emperor.
James Ireland, who was the groom, came out
with the Berrys. Emperor stood at Red Stone
Hill in 1845-6.
Our first tutor was Mr. Devilliers*,
rejoicing under the alias of " Old Moosh." He
had been in the black police at Dandenong, with
(*READ ABOUT HOW HIS NO GOOD DAMPER INN GOT ITS NAME.
Tuckwell, generally known as long
Tuckwell, was huntsman to Pyke's hounds, and
I believe he married a Miss Jamieson, of Bunin-
yong. I do not remember having seen Mr.
Staughton, senr., or Captain Bacchus, but my
late father has met the Captain's son at dingo
hunting meets with Pyke's hounds. Of others,
such as station friends, were Thomas Jardine,
Bolivar Long, Wm. Word, John Hogben, Thos.
Kissock, George Milner, Henry Redman Favell,
and James Dover Hill. The two latter were
passengers in the Ferguson. At the time of our
arrival Tulip Wright kept the Bridge
Inn at Gisborne*, kept once by Mr. Stokes, son- (*I THINK HE MEANS BULLA)
in-law to the late Mr. William Robertson, of
Wooling. The brothers Simon and Charles
Harvey (their sister was the wife of Mr. John
Aitken) often dropped in at Red Stone hill. I
could mention many more at the expense of being
tedious, but as this paper has run out to an
extreme length it must be cut short. In con-
clusion I may observe that my father, who care-
fully preserved every scribble that came to his
hand, left behind him heaps of letters and busi-
ness, documents which would throw a deal of
light on bygone days. Furthermore the writer
has to add that what he has written has been
flung together without reference to method or
design, and he ventures to express the hope that
this rough historical sketch of the men of 1846
will gratify his readers.
In the last few months there seem to have been some blank and apparently crank comments under my journals* and as my time is too precious to waste, I'm hoping the private message from rosebudtwo wasn't of a similar nature.
(*Two from this person, to whom I sent this private message to which I did not receive a reply:
Subject: ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE POSTING?
Date: 2017-06-26 20:38:26
There is no message in either comment.)
Subject: carmelo and mariano pidoto
Date: 2017-07-03 05:24:49
i am the great grandson of mariano pidoto and have lived in dromana and rosebud 51 years most of the data is right some is not
As usual, I replied promptly, supplying my address, email address and phone number.
Subject: RE: carmelo and mariano pidoto
Date: 2017-07-03 07:33:28
I'd love to find out what is wrong so I can correct it.
Perhaps rosebudtwo was distracted by some problem and just forgot to reply, and this journal will catch his attention.
PIDOTO.-On 10th July, at her residence, 53 Stevedore Street,Williamstown North, Agnes, relict of the late Captain Mariano James Pidoto, dearly loved mother of Vera (Mrs. Geary), Eileen, Leslie (late R.A.N.), James (2nd
A.I.F.), Ann and May; loved stepmother of Rosina (Mrs. F. Patterson), John (dec.), Cecilia (Mrs.C.G.Yeomans, Sydney), William(dec.), Joseph and Ted. In her 85th year. A patient sufferer. Rest in peace.
(P.12, Williamstown Chronicle, 11-7-1947.)
An old and esteemed resident,Mrs. Agnes Pidoto, died on Thursday of last week as her home, 53 Stevedore- Street, after an illness of only a few days. She was born at Talbot 84 years ago and was the widow of the late Capt.
Mariano Pidoto. She had resided locally for 60 years and leaves four sons and six daughters to mourn their loss. The funeral took place on Friday afternoon, leaving her residence for interment in the local cemetery. Many beautiful floral tributes were received. Ernest W. Jackson & Son had charge of the funeral arrangements and
the Rev. Fr. L. J. O'Neill officiated at the cemetery.(P.2, Williamstown Chronicle, 18-7-1947.)
Agnes' maiden name was Hobson. VICTORIAN BDM.
EventDeath Event registration number6879 Registration year1947
Family namePIDOTO Given namesAgnes SexFemale Father's nameHOBSON Joseph Mother's nameMargaret (Bowie) Place of birthTALBOT Place of deathWILLIAMSTOWN Age84
Death record for Mariano James Pidoto.
EventDeath Event registration number14470 Registration year1917
Family namePIDOTO Given namesMariano Jas SexUnknown Father's namePidoto Juan Mother's nameRosa (Strana) Place of birth Place of deathWmstown Age77
PETER PIDOTO'S BIRTH RECORD.
This shows that Victorian BDM data relies on what informants provide and typos are not unknown. Peter and Mariano's parents were obviously the same.
EventDeath Event registration number10319 Registration year1891
Family namePIDOTO Given namesCarmelo SexFemale Father's nameGiovanni Mother's nameRosa (Straus) Place of birth Place of deathFitz N Age60
THAT'S ALL FOR NOW. I THINK PETER'S PLACE OF BIRTH WAS SUPPLIED IN THE JOURNAL I WROTE ABOUT HIM.
Where did Mariano and Agnes meet? Did Agnes remarry or did Mariano? Who were the parents of Agnes' stepchildren, Mrs F.Patterson (Rosina), etc.?
Years ago, I researched Peter Young of Nairn for my dictionary history of Bulla, where he was one of the earliest pioneers.He later moved to a place called "Clyde". I always felt guilty that I had not provided more information about him after that time and while sipping a coffee tried to find the birth record of a child born at "Nairn" in 1850-without success. Suspecting that I'd found the name of Peter's wife, I googled ERSKINE SUSAN YOUNG and found the Peter Young conversation on this website, (i.e.
Peter and Susan YOUNG - Page 2 - Family History UK Genealogy ...
Could Susan Erskine have been Peter's second wife? The mention of John William's baptism below led me to this birth record.
EventBirth Event registration number889 Registration year1843
Family nameYOUNG Given namesJohn William SexMale Father's namePeter Mother's nameElizabeth Place of birthMELBOURNE
PETER AND SUSAN'S CHILDREN, FROM VICTORIAN BDM.
No record found. BIRTH.
At Nairn, parish of Bulla Bulla, on the 25th instant, Mrs. Peter Young, of a daughter. (P.2, Argus, 27-4-1850.)
EventBirth Event registration number182 Registration year1853
Family nameYOUNG Given namesThomas SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameSusan (Erskine) Place of birthPRAH
EventBirth Event registration number6807 Registration year1855
Family nameYOUNG Given namesJanet SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameSusan (Erskine) Place of birthPRAHRAN
EventBirth Event registration number13986 Registration year1857
Family nameYOUNG Given namesAnn SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameSusan (Erskine) Place of birthPRAHRAN
EventBirth Event registration number6892 Registration year1860
Family nameYOUNG Given namesMargaret SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameSusan (Erskine) Place of birthPRAH
CAMERON—YOUNG - On the 25th April, by the Rev.J. L. Rentoul, John, second son of John Cameron,Esq., tailor, High-street, Prahran, to Margaret, fourth daughter of Peter Young, Esq., 25 Little Collins-street east, Melbourne, and Murray-street, Prahran. P.1, The Age, 5-5-1883. I wonder if Cameron was a descendant of the grantee of section 11, Bulla, north of "Nairn".)
EventBirth Event registration number16886 Registration year1862
Family nameYOUNG Given namesUnnamed Female SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameSusan (Erskine) Place of birthPRAH
EventBirth Event registration number10937 Registration year1864
Family nameYOUNG Given namesSusan SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameSusan (Erskine) Place of birthPRAH
(Details of Susan's marriage to H.W.Shepherd in 1895 appear below but this notice supplies more information.
SHEPHERD—YOUNG.—On the 10th ult., at Malvern, by the Rev. J. Gordon Mackie, Henry Wastdale Shepherd, of Albert-park, solicitor, second son of the late Richard Shepherd, Esq., major V.V.A. (unattached), to Susan, daughter of the late Peter Young, Esq., of Melbourne, and Clyde-park,Westernport. P.1, Argus, 6-5-1895.)
EventBirth Event registration number10492 Registration year1866
Family nameYOUNG Given namesElizabeth SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameSusan (Erskine) Place of birthP'RAN
(Elizabeth's marriage notice which alerted me to the birth.
DOWNES — YOUNG. — On the 28th ult., at the residence of the bride's father, by the Rev. J.G.Mackie, Arthur William, third son of John Downes, Prahran, to Elizabeth, youngest daughter of Peter Young, of Melbourne and Westernport. P.11, Weekly Times,22-4-1893.)
Looks like another one!
YOUNG.—On the 10th inst, at Prahran, Mrs. Peter Young of a son.(P.4, Argus, 13-4-1869.)
EventBirth Event registration number10899 Registration year1869
Family nameYOUNG Given namesPeter Alexander SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameSusan (Erskine) Place of birthPRAHRAN
(Peter's marriage notice.
YOUNG — CHAMBERLIN. — On the 10th ult., at the residence of the bride's sister, Airlie, Byron street. North Brighton, by the Rev. W. S. Rolland, Peter, son of Peter Young, of Melbourne and Western Port, to Edith, youngest daughter of George F. Chamberlin, chemist, South Yarra. P.11, Weekly Times,18-6-1892.)
Frisky devil! Poor Susan!
EventBirth Event registration number25553 Registration year1871
Family nameYOUNG Given namesAlexander Robert SexUnknown Father's namePeter Mother's nameSusan (Erskine) Place of birthPRAH
That's all folks! The last two inserted this notice a year after their father's death.
YOUNG.—In loving memory of our dear father, Peter Young, who departed this life August 9, 1893.—(Inserted by his loving sons, P. and A.Y.) P.1, Argus, 9-8-1894.
SUSAN YOUNG'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number12303 Registration year1878
Family nameYOUNG Given namesSusan SexUnknown Father's nameErskine Thomas Mother's nameJanet (Fraser) Place of birthSCOT Place of death Age46 Spouse's family nameYOUNG Spouse's given namesPeter
YOUNG.-On the 17th inst., at Murray-street,Prahran, Susan, the beloved wife of Peter Young,aged 46 years.
(The Telegraph, St Kilda, Prahran and South Yarra Guardian (Vic. : 1866 - 1888) Saturday 26 October 1878 p 2)
Peter was much involved in the betterment of facilities in the Bulla- Broadmeadows area, particularly the establishment of a Presbyterian Church and a vigorous campaign to have mail deliveries to Bulla re-established. Clyde (Clyde Park) was at Westernport as stated in Peter's death notice, by which time he was living in Prahran and was a wire worker. He had left Clyde Park and his occupation seemed to present a marked contrast to the extensive background he gave when setting up as a stock and station agent soon after his arrival. But his funeral notice indicates that he owned his own business.
YOUNG.—On the 9th inst., at his residence, 51
Murray-street, Prahran, Peter Young, wire worker,
of Melbourne, and of Clyde-park, Westernport,
aged 66 years. A colonist of 40 years.
YOUNG.—The Friends of the late Mr. PETER
YOUNG, wireworker, of Little Lonsdale-street,
city, are respectfully invited to follow his remains to
the place of interment, the St. Kilda General
The funeral is appointed to move from his late
residence, 51 Murray-street, Prahran, tomorrow
(Friday, August 11, 1893), at 3 o'clock punctually.
(Both P.1, Argus, 18-8-1893.)
PLEASE FORGIVE MY NOT HAVING CORRECTED THE TEXT. (I probably corrected it in my dictionary history of Bulla.)
MR. PETER YOUNG.
FORMERLY Land Steward for the
Marquis of Brcadalbane, afterwards
Experimental Farmer and Land Steward for
A. Spcirs, Esq., Elderslic, M. P. for Rich-
mond, subsequently Superintendent of tlie
Government Domain Farm in Van Diemen's
Land ; and Utterly Superinteaacat ' of the
extensive Sheep, Cattle, and Iforse. Stations
belonging to Messrs. J. and" W. Macarthur,
of Camden, New South >Y tiles, to whom he
also acted in the capacity of Land Surveyor
and Valuator — Begs most respectfully to
announce to his numerous friends in Port
Phillip, and the public in general, that he
has commenced the business of
AUCTIONEER & COMMISSION AGENT
for the Sale of Live Stock, Landed Property
and Merchandize in general.
Mr. Y., in addition to tho experience ac
quired in the management Hiid sale of stock
in Scotland, ""whore the cattle he bred for the
Marquis of Br 0adalhane carried the prizes
at tlie Highland Society of Scotland'sgeneral
shows for many years, andthcir increase still
continue to ma ntain the former character
for superiority, i he liae alsoliad the benefit
of acquiring a knowledge of the manage
ment of stock A practised in Van Diemon's
Land ; and he particularly bogs to refer to
tne ample opportunities afforded him under
the. Messrs. Macarthur, of Camden, of ob
taining tlie best information to bo got in
the Colo nies of Australasia, as to the man
agement of sheep, both as regards the best
mode of breeding aud classifying fine
woollcd sheep, and the methods of washing,
sorting, and getting up their fleeces. Mr.
Y. would further add, that he not only
studied the above branches of pastoral pur
suits under Messrs. Macarthur, (whose ex
tensive experience' is well known,) but like
wise had the advantage of studying the
German method of breeding sheep and
sorting wool, with Mr. KeUh, from Ger
many, then wool-sorter for Messrs. Macar
thur, now wool-sorter for the Australian
Agricultural Company at Port Stephens.
Mr. Y., therefore, would submit to any
Gentlemen, favouring" him with their
Commissions, that he' is enabled to give
useful advice either in tlie ' sale or
purchase of sheep stock, or as to
the quality of country suited for
their pasture. For liis experience in
the breeding and value of horses and cattle,"
as well as his knowledge of the value of land
and liifi capacity to conduct tlie sale of other
rroductiooe of rural economy, Mr. Y, would
most respectfully beg leave to refer to tlie
testimonials lie liolds from C. "W. Campbell,
Esq., of Boreland, J.P. and B.B. ; A. G.
Speirs, Esq., of Culcreuch, Deputy Lord
Lieutenant pf Stirlingshire, and late M. P.
for Paisley ; the late A. Speirs, Esq., of
Elderslic, late M. P. for Richmond ; Jaines
Hamilton, Esq., hiR Prussian MajcstyVCon-
sul for the City of Glasgow' ; liis Excellency
Sir GeorgO Arthur, late Governor of Van
Dicmcn's" Land ; Messrs. J. and W. Macar
thur, of Camden, New South Wales ; aud a
number of factors, land stewards, and other
practical stock-breedera and agriculturists
Mr. Y, begs. to state that he has opened
the Livery Stables attached to the Crown
Hotel, Lonbdale-street, until tuoro extensive
premises be erected, where ho will hold
sales of horses by auction and private bar
gain, -on Wednesday and Saturday each
week, beginning tlie public sale regularly at
12 o'clock tioon on each day.
"In conducting the sale of land, Mr. Y
will personally survey, map, and subdivide
it to the bast advantage, not only as regards
ita natural capabilities, but alao to suit the
domand In the market.
In conclusion, Mr. Y. hopes, by diligent
attention to business, strict integrity with
the public, and xe&l for the interest of his
1 constituents, to merit a share Of public
1 Melbourne, 29th July, 1847.
(P.1, Port Phillip Gazette and Settlers' Journal,20-12-1847.)
THE PETER YOUNG ENTRY IN MY DICTIONARY HISTORY OF BULLA JOURNAL.
Extract from my journal JOHN THOMAS SMITH AND HIS ELECTORS.
In "Broadmeadows: A Forgotten History", Andrew Lemon mentioned George Langhorne conducting Free Presbyterian services at Peter Young's Nairn and how the United Presbyterians had caused problems. Andrew's source was obviously Peter Young's letter published on page 4 of The Argus of 19-2-1851.
Here are the headlines about Peter Young. He was a very proud Scot with a good knowledge of the "land o' cakes" and a love of poetry. He was on the front foot when situations needed correcting. He was a stalwart of the Free Presbyterians and a member of the Order of Oddfellows, working hard to advance the former and defending the latter group from unjustified criticism. Above all he was an expert farmer, and I mean an EXPERT. He seems to have moved to Clyde Park, Westernport before his death.
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Bulla Bulla, County of Bourke [cartographic material] / drawn and ...
As I have the Bulla Bulla map now I'll tell you about Nairn before I detail the trove articles. See Melway map 384. Peter Young received the grant for Section 8 (a square mile/ 640 acres) on 26-11-1848. He added the 130 acre 7B on the other side of St John's Lane on 18-9-1851. (St John's lane led to the Brannigans' "St John's Hill".) The William Inglis and Son thoroughbred horse sales complex is in the south east corner of section 8 and the end of the public section of St Johns Rd indicates its north western corner. Allotment B of section 7 is between St Johns Rd and Deep Creek; the southern boundary was the now closed road in C-E 12 and the northern boundary is indicated by 110 St Johns Rd.
TROVE- A CHRONOLOGY.
While reading Isaac Batey's fascinating historical articles in the Sunbury newspaper, I half-noticed his reference to a Mr Young being ( a squatter?) near Essendon in the early days (probably 1847.)This could have been Peter Young. I will start with an advertisement that Peter placed in The Argus (as I thought, soon after arriving), which outlines his past.He was actually in Victoria by 1842!
All items are from The Argus unless otherwise specified: 1846-8 was the Melbourne Argus.
24-9-1847 page 2. Peter announced that he was setting up as an auctioneer and commission agent. He said that he had been land steward for the Marquis of Breadalbane (in Scotland), an experimental farmer and land steward for A. Speirs, the M.P. for Richmond (Tasmania), superintendent of the Government Domain farm in Van Dieman's Land and latterly superintendent of J. and W. Macarthur's stations. Peter must have arrived in Melbourne by 1846 or very early 1847. A letter he wrote to the Port Phillip Gazette was republished in the Maitland Mercury and Hunter River General Advertiser (12-6-1847 page 4.) There had been an outbreak of black leg in young cattle near Port Fairy,to which no solution had been found,and Peter wrote from the Crown Hotel outlining his method that had worked so successfully in New South Wales in the winter of 1837. He had been in charge of 8000 cattle and the sudden death of cattle 20 miles away was put down to snake bites until Peter arrived and diagnosed black leg after dissecting a carcass.
27-1-1847 page 1-2. Peter made a toast at the Robbie Burns Festival that was a virtual history of Scotland and occupied 4 1/2 columns of The Argus.
28-5-1847 page 2. SEYMOUR. Preparations are being made for the sale to be conducted by Mr Peter Young on the 24th. This was to be the first ever in the township.Peter was auctioning well before the advertisement appeared.
1-6-1847 page 2. An excited report of the sale was given. The correspondent told of Peter's plans for regular sales.
3-8-1847 page 2. A DANGEROUS NUISANCE. At the close of business at the Police Office on Saturday, Mr Peter Young informed the Mayor of the cattle, horses, pigs and goats in Latrobe St West and no constable ever being seen to control this. The Chief Constable, who had earlier ignored Peter's complaints, was huffy but the Mayor instructed him to send two constables and impound these animals.
30-11-1847. The Seymour correspondent understood that Peter had intended to conduct quarterly sale but none (bar the first) had come off yet.
20-4-1849 page 4. Peter complained that he hadn't been getting his Argus or Patriot.He was now on Nairn.
19-4-1850 page 3, column 4. FOR SALE. Seed wheat and potatoes of a very superior quality grown from seed of last year's crop at Warrnambool. On sale by the undersigned, Peter Young, Nairn, Deep Creek.
27-4-1850 page 2. BIRTH. At Nairn, parish of Bulla Bulla on the 25th, Mrs Peter Young of a daughter.
8-1-1851 page 2.(Original correspondence to the Mt Macedon paper.) Peter said that up until the end of 1850 mail had been picked up at Mr Wright's Bridge Inn but the mail run to Mt Macedon now went through Keilor. (This is of interest because it seems that Tulip Wright did start the Lincolnshire Hotel's construction during 1851. Donohue applied for the Bridge Inn licence in 1851 but his application was postponed because of the filthy state of the Bridge Inn. (See THE HOTELS NEAR TULLAMARINE journal.) It may have been because Tulip had left, abandoning his hotel, that the route was changed.)Peter complained that 500 residents near Bulla now had to pick up their mail from Melbourne or Gisborne, stating that only about 5 people lived on the new route between Keilor and The Gap. (He was talking about William Taylor of Overnewton, James Robertson of Upper Keilor,possibly the Page Brothers of Glencoe-I'll have to ask Isaac Batey if they were still there; their drinking might have seen them off by 1851, and one or two others.) P.S. Edward Page advertised the homestead block in 1859. (The Argus 27-6-1859 page 2, column 2.)
10-2-1851 page 2. Peter hasn't given up. He now accuses two magistrates of using undue influence to change the mail run. One magistrate was certainly William Taylor; I'm not sure if Robertson was a J.P. too. His son, James, was and another son, Francis, was a member of parliament.
19-2-1851 page 4.Peter wrote a letter about Langhorne teaching Sunday School at the schoolhouse on Nairn on Sunday mornings and conducting Free Presbyterian services in the afternoon and how the United Presbyterians
were interfering with their fund-raising for a church for Broadmeadows and Deep Creek (Westmeadows and Bulla.)
"Vision and Realisation", the Victorian Education Department history of 1972, mentioned an early school on the McDougalls' "Warlaby" (probably named Oaklands) in a declivity; this may have been a mistaken reference to Peter's school unless another was built on Warlaby later. My memory from reading the book 20 years ago is dim but I think it mentioned two schools with different National School numbers.
31-5-1851 page 2. Another farming problem had arisen, smut in wheat. As everyone would know, when crops are affected, prices rise. Think bananas! Due to his innovative ideas and experience, Peter had worked out a solution and he could have cashed in big-time. He had put down 140 acres of wheat at Nairn the previous year and not one head of smutted wheat had grown due to his treatment of the grain before planting that he had developed 17 years earlier. Peter was not going to keep this a secret and let his colleague suffer. Could you imagine Coles giving Woolworths a helping hand?
25-6-1852. Peter wrote a letter headed "To Improve Crops by Pollen" which showed that he had a thorough grasp of the history of the development of the various types of wheat.
11-8-1852 page 6.Peter Young of Nairn requested permission from those who had donated money for the church in the parish of Bulla (not enough to proceed) to hand it over to the National School, whose establishment had been resolved at a meeting he'd recently chaired.
The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston) 3-11-1852 page 722 (no kidding!) As Peter McCracken , the President of the Port Phillip Farmers' Society was absent (due to the drowning of his young son, William, in the Moonee Ponds Creek near the bottom of Pascoe St, Westmeadows; see McCracken below), Peter Young of Nairn took the chair, filling it most capably, at the function to honour David Duncan's service to the organisation. (See the WILLIAM THOMPSON AND DAVID DUNCAN journal.)
6-3-1868 page 2. Evan McIntosh was holding a clearing sale at Nairn, his lease having expired. Peter may have moved to Westernport but he also could have been conducting a business in Melbourne.
6-5-1895 page 1. H.W.Shepherd married Susan, the daughter of the late Mr Peter Young Esquire of Melbourne and Clyde Park, Westernport.
While trove is a fantastic resource, it does not distinguish between the surname Young and the opposite of old, which led to many wasted hours. I did not find any other family notices or references to Clyde Park, Westernport apart from the 1895 marriage of his daughter.
I tried googling YOUNG with CLYDE, BERWICK and WESTERNPORT, the last named combination reminding me of a discovery I made at the P.R.O.V. (See SQUATTERS IN THE WESTERNPORT DISTRICT journal.)
A website headed FREDERICK XAVIER TO ARTHUR ZOUCH has the following information.
The Melbourne Times of 23-4-1842 recorded that Peter Young had been granted a publican's licence for the "Bushman" in Sydney Road.The Port Phillip of 21-4-1843 shows that the hotel, once again described as being on Sydney Road was now called the Sugar Loaf Inn. The same paper, on 27-4-1844,stated that Peter had been granted his licence but the hotel was again called the Bushman.
(An alphabetical listing of squatters and their runs, from correspondence with the Governor, which is a different website, lists Peter Young of the Sugar Loaf Run.) Given Peter's purchase of land in Seymour at the first sales, his conducting the first sales in the township and the fact that Sugarloaf Creek intersects the Hume Highway in Seymour, it is reasonable to assume that the hotel was at Seymour and not in modern-day Carlton, Brunswick (or Plenty, Pascoeville near the Young Queen Inn, or Tullamarine near the Lady of the Lake- routes more likely to be called Sydney Road in the early 1840's.)
Rev. Peter Gunn, who became the minister at the Campbellfield's historic Scots Church (Melway 7 H6), had visited the Golburn (River?) area and Peter was among a large number who signed a letter of encouragement and contributed 50 pounds to support his ministry; another signatory was from Sunday Creek, which joins Sugarloaf Creek.(Port Phillip Herald 1-10-1844.)
Peter Young and Elizabeth christened John William in 1843.
Peter Young purchased allotments at the first sale of blocks at Seymour. (Melbourne Weekly Courier 23-3-1844.)
Peter Young was one of 469 voters who qualified by freehold in Seymour in the list of electors in the District of Bourke (Melbourne Courier 8-8-1845.)Peter Young was listed in the (1847?) Port Phillip directory as a settler, Seymour, Sydney Rd.
The website also lists newspaper reports showing that Peter Young was given depasturing licences in July 1843 and October 1844 in the Westernport District.AHA, I thought, perhaps Peter had been on Clyde Farm, Westernport before he went to Bulla. Then I remembered my search for a grant (or licence) that Captain Adams of Rosebud was supposed to have been given in about 1841. All such matters were dealt with in Sydney and the Public Records office gave me an index of correspondence. As Peninsula pioneers were referred to as late as 1888 in "Victoria and Its Metropolis" as being in the Westernport District, I concentrated on those entries.
Imagine my surprise to find Barker's Mt Alexander Run (near Castlemaine) described as being in the Westernport District! In view of what has been mentioned before, Peter Young's depasturing licences were almost certainly near Seymour.
Still none the wiser,about when Peter left Nairn, I returned to Trove and tried "Nairn, Bulla, Young, 1850-1867".
Argus 18-4-1853 page 12. Peter was offering Nairn for sale by private contract. He had probably only been there for about five years but how much he had accomplished! The advertisement describes the property in great detail, including the waterfall.For the sale of his furniture, library, stock, vehicles and so on, Peter employed prominent auctioneer, Dalmahoy Campbell (much discussed by Harry Peck in his "Memoirs of a Stockman.) (See Argus 20-5-1853 page 9.)
Argus 4-6-1853 page 8, column 1. Peter offered an incredible variety of grape vine cuttings for sale.
Joseph Clarke of "Goolpala", Saltwater River (Probably the future "Rupertswood")might have bought all of Peter's property north of Melbourne.The Argus of 16-9-1865 reported, on page 2, the sale of the late Joseph's estate: lot 1. Nairn; lot 2.About 9 acres of portions 29 and 30 Doutta Galla near the racecourse (the future showgrounds site near Clarke Ave, Melway 28 F11); lots 3-9. original allotments in the Township of Seymour. N.B. Clarke may have bought the showgrounds land from the grantee, Pearson, who had sold 4 acres to John and David Charles Ricketts in 1851.
The advertisement states that Nairn was split into two farms, leased by Mr McIntosh (300 acres) and Mr Millar (450 acres.) Part of Nairn was to become William Michie's "Cairnbrae". It also stated that Peter had framed the economy of Nairn upon sure principles and described the orchards and so on. In 1860, W.C.Howie had been on Nairn and placed a notice about a black pig that had strayed into his paddock (The Argus 30-6-1860 page 8, last column.)
As we know that Peter was an auctioneer, he may have been a partner of the firm of Young and Timbury,which advertised the sale of the cargo of a ship in The Argus of 18-5-1860 (page 2, bottom of column 4.)
I've only scratched the surface of a PETER YOUNG search on trove. For example it appears that his son Peter took over the wire-working business and died at Ingle-Nook in Caulfield in 1922.
As my focus regarding the Purves family was primarily on the descendants of Peter Purves and Barbara (Scott) who ran Tootgarook for James, I had not concerned myself much with the family of James and Caroline.
The main connections of James with the Mornington Peninsula are his ownership of the Tootgarook station, his ownership* of the Rosebud when it was stranded in the mid 1850's, thus leading to the name of the Rosebud Fishing Village in 1872, his son, James Liddell Purves, being the member for Mornington (not the town but the electorate which probably covered the COUNTY of Mornington including the peninsula, land north to Mordialloc and east to Bunyip River)and the possibility that Glen Isla Drive in Mount Martha was named after James Purves' Richmond residence where he died in 1878.
(*Countless local histories and heritage studies wrongly state that Edward William Hobson, who transferred Tootgarook to James in 1850, owned the Rosebud when it was stranded. Hobson was the owner in 1854 but countless court reports show that James was the owner by 1855 and had insured it with a combination of 12 brokers for 700 pounds, some of whom refused to pay up.)
The surname PURVES was pronounced as PURV-ESS and was often written as PURVIS.
I tried countless strategies to find the birth record of James and Caroline's first son, James Liddell Purves, in 1843, but without success- UNTIL I wrote the surname as PURVIS. The birth record of Caroline Frances in 1855 had the same spelling. Ancestry.com lists some of the children but on family tree circles, thanks to Scott Jangro, you can have much more information WITHOUT PAYING A FORTUNE.
I have posted much of this information (obituaries, wills etc) in comments on the following website.
Port Phillip Apostle No 6 James Purves, landowner | The Resident ...
James married the daughter of Thomas Guillod of London in 1842. Caroline had evidently returned to England after her husband's death in 1878 as the announcement of her death in 1889 was received by cable.
THE CHILDREN.(VICTORIAN BDM.)
I've sometimes come across isolated examples of a child's birth being registered twice but James seems to have made a habit of it! Mary Scott's records illustrate that the place of birth given is actually the place of registration. Both registrations of the birth of George Hurdis would have been at Mount Macedon because Mount Martha was not a declared town and therefore would not have had a registrar.
EventBirth Event registration number1027 Registration year1843
Family namePURVIS Given namesJames Liddle SexMale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMELBOURNE
EventBirth Event registration number7770 Registration year1844
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Harry Gui SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthRICH
EventBirth Event registration number8074 Registration year1846
Family namePURVES Given namesAnn Caroline SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMELB
(The will of Annie Caroline shows that one of her sisters married J.R.Godfey of Mt Ridley" which the family would have passed on the way to Chinton from Melbourne.)
EventBirth Event registration number8198 Registration year1847
Family namePURVES Given namesMary Scott SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMELB
EventBirth Event registration number33236 Registration year1847
Family namePURVES Given namesMary Scott SexFemale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCarol Place of birthMT MACEDON
EventBirth Event registration number8613 Registration year1849
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMTMA
EventBirth Event registration number33333 Registration year1850
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexMale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCarol Place of birthMT MACEDON
(George's obituary states that he was born on Chinton Station between Mt. Macedon and Wallan.)
Harry and George (above) were stated to have been born in the same year but George was obviously born in late 1849 and Harry possibly in late 1850 so they were unlikely to have been twins.
EventBirth Event registration number9017 Registration year1850
Family namePURVES Given namesHarry Guillod SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline Place of birthMELB
EventBirth Event registration number33390 Registration year1850
Family namePURVES Given namesHarry Guillord SexMale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCarol Place of birthMELBOURNE
EventBirth Event registration number31212 Registration year1853
Family namePURVES Given namesWilliam SexMale Father's nameJames Mother's nameCarol Place of birthRICHMOND
EventBirth Event registration number19029 Registration year1855
Family namePURVIS Given namesCaroline Frances SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's name (Caroline) Place of birthRICHMOND
EventBirth Event registration number6206 Registration year1855
Family namePURVES Given namesCaroline SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameCaroline (Guillod) Place of birthRICHMOND
JAMES LIDDELL PURVESmarried twice. His first wife Annie Lavinia Grice died in 1876 aged 21, probably due to complications from the birth of James George in that year. I could find no record on VICTORIAN BDM of his second marriage to Eliza Emmma Brodribb in 1879 because the marriage had taken place at Double Bay, N.S.W. Their second child was given the christian name of GODFREY, probably because of the pioneering Mt. Ridley family. Brodribb River in East Gippland was named after William Adams Brodribb, J.L.Purves new father in law. The Grice family was prominent in Mornington's history.
JAMES PURVES' DEATH NOTICE supplies the names of his parents.
EventDeath Event registration number6572 Registration year1878
Family namePURVES Given namesJames SexUnknown Father's nameLiddle Mother's nameMary (Scott) Place of birthTWEE Place of death Age65 Spouse's family nameGUILLOD Spouse's given namesCaroline
MY COMMENTS ON THE PORT PHILLIP APOSTLES PAGE.(Not necessarily in the order they were posted.)
DEATH RECORD OF JAMES PURVES AND BIRTH RECORDS OF HIS SON.
(Copy of my comment on the PIONEERS OF THE MORNINGTON PENINSULA Facebook group page.)
As pointed out many times, James Purves, the lessee of the Tootgarook run from 1850 and owner of the pre-emptive right from 22-10-1855 spent little time there, mostly living in Melbourne with his other main interest being his station at Chintin west of Wallan on the Romsey road near the present town of Chintin. At last I thought I’d found some evidence of him actually being on the Mornington Peninsula. His son, George Hurdis Purves must have been born towards the end of 1849 and his birth was registered twice, at Mount Martha (or so I thought) in 1849 (reg. No.8613) and at Mount Macedon in 1850 (Reg. No.33333.) James was probably awaiting the arrival of a servant, Jane McCabe*, at Chintin in 1850 when the second registration took place.
John McKay | February 1, 2011 at 10:37 pm
In researching my Knight line, I came across Jane McCabe (who married George Knight at Fish Creek in April 1850). Jane it appears was sent out from Ireland under the Earl Grey Scheme and was employed by James Purvis (sic) of Chinton on Jan 18 1850 at 10 pounds for 76 months.
Are James Purves/Purvis the same and if so do you know where Chinton is, or was it a property name in the vicinity of Fish Creek, Gippsland, Victoria?
Or was it incorrectly written down by the clerk as Chewton seems to have some affiliated with this family.
Then my brain kicked into gear. Mount Martha would not have had a registrar in 1849 or for many decades later (if ever.) MT MA also meant Mt Macedon.
Here are the two registrations.
EventBirth Event registration number8613 Registration year1849
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexUnknown Father’s nameJames Mother’s nameCaroline Place of birthMTMA
EventBirth Event registration number33333 Registration year1850
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexMale Father’s nameJames Mother’s nameCarol Place of birthMT MACEDON
James Purves’ death record in 1878 (the year after he’d leased Tootgarook to Cameron from Cranbourne) indicates that Peter Purves (said to be his brother in MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN and if correct) married a cousin. James Purves’ mother was Mary Scot (almost certainly Scott) and Peter Purves married Barbara Scott as detailed in the post. Peter’s parents weren’t revealed by Petronella Wilson but the use of Scott and Liddell as given names for descendants of both James and Peter indicates that the owner and the manager of Tootgarook were at least cousins if they were not brothers.
GENTLEMAN JAMES PURVES’ DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number6572 Registration year1878
Family namePURVES Given namesJames SexUnknown Father’s nameLiddle Mother’s nameMary (Scott) Place of birthTWEE Place of death Age65 Spouse’s family nameGUILLOD Spouse’s given namesCaroline
John McKay | July 9, 2017 at 6:53 am |
Hi, I’ve been away and only home recently so have missed on this. My meagre research on James hasn’t seemed to flush out much at all. What I tentatively have is copied below which doesn’t seem to marry up much with the posts here, so could be well off-track.
Thanks for the info on where Chintin actually is xxx. That helps a lot.
What I’d found”
A James Purvis arrived on the ship James in Sydney 29 Sep 1834
Melb Argus 10 Feb 1852 TWO POUNDS REWARD
Lost, from Barkers Creek Diggings, in November last, two red walking bullocks, one branded AT off rump’, 895 off thigh, JW near shoulder, and one stag steer, branded OR off rump.
Any one bringing the same to John Beech, Wiltshire Store, Mount Macedon Road, will receive the above reward.
JAMES PURVIS. 9th February, 1852.
Argus 29 June 1855
By special license, by the Rev. Thomas Odell, James Purvis, of Tullamarine, to Christina Hendry, youngest daughter of Mr. James Hendry, of Perth, Scotland.
PURVIS. —In loving remembrance of my dear husband, James Purvis, of South road, South Brighton, who departed this life on the 11th April, 1883
” Sad and lonely is our home
Since from it he departed
But we hope and trust in God
We are not for ever parted ‘
PURVIS. —In affectionate remembrance of Mr James Purvis late of South Brighton who was accidentally killed on the Brighton road, April 11i, 1883, the dearly beloved brother of O and W H Purvis, Ironmongers, 236 Elizabeth Street Melbourne
30 Jan 1902 Argus – PURVIS.-On the 29th January; at his residence, Austral-villa, – Asling-street, .Elsternwick,’ James Watson Purvis, in his 80th Year.
ME. | July 9, 2017 at 12:24 pm |
I’d noticed James Purvis in my early Tullamarine research and wondered if there was any connection. John Beech built the Beech Tree Hotel at Melway 5G10 on land on the Keilor side of today’s Melrose Drive that he’d purchased through John Pascoe Fawkner’s co-op. on 1-5-1851. Hendry ran Tullamarine’s first post office at Tullamarine Junction (5 J12 where the 711 garage and North Edge apartments now stand.) You’re the first person to mention that Beech’s store was called the Wiltshire store!
Tulla’s James Purvis was born in County Tyrone in 1832* so any connection with the Port Phillip Apostle is doubtful.
The following reply to residentjudge from Margaret is interesting because it tends to confirm that James Purves (owner of Tootgarook) and Peter Purves (who ran Tootgarook for him) were brothers. James' father was a stone mason and Peter became a stone mason. If Peter had stuck to his trade instead of running Tootgarook for James, he would have made a fortune; masons were so in demand that they were the first to achieve shortened working hours, an achievement celebrated by Labour Day!
Margaret Steenvoorde | January 8, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Reply
Thank you for confirming the name of James Purves’ father as Liddle Purves. I can now tell you that James Purves was born in Harelawside (near Duns), Parish of Coldingham, Berwickshire, Scotland on 25 May 1813 and was baptised in Coldingham Parish Church on 21 June 1814. He was the son of Liddle Purves, Mason in Harelawside and Mary Scot, his wife. Witnesses to the baptism were Peter Atcheson and John Redpath both of Harelawside. My souce was a digital image of the original Old Parish Record from http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk The name Liddle (or Liddell, as given to his son James Liddell Purves) was the clue to solving the mystery! Duns is not far from Berwick upon Tweed (in England!) and James would have had business connections there, no doubt. His family may have moved there to live at some stage. Thank you for the Port Phillip Pioneers Group web address. I will investigate that further.
ME. | July 7, 2017 at 10:38 am
John McKay. I am primarily interested in Peter Purves who managed the Tootgarook station from 1850 till his death in 1860 and Peter’s son, James, who followed his father to Australia in 1852. Through their descendants and descendants of other pioneering families, such as the late Ray Cairns, I discovered that the surname was pronounced as Purv-ess. It was at times written as Purvis in Shire of Flinders rate books. Chintin was definitely not a mis-spelling of Chewton and the location of the run is indicated below.
James Purves, lessee of the Tootgarook run from 1850, and later owner of the pre-emptive right, whose surname was pronounced and often written as Purvis, spent most of his time in Melbourne but his other main focus was the Chintin run between Kilmore and Mount Macedon. The following is an extract from the obituary on page 3 of the Australasian of 15-6-1878.
“But after following squatting pursuits for a
time he entered into business in Melbourne
as auctioneer and estate agent. He after-
wards took up the Chintin station, at Deep
Creek, and was also owner of Tootgarook
station, near Dromana, one of the earliest
established stations in the colony.”
The town of Chintin, about 10 km west of Wallan on the Romsey road owes its name to the run.
ME. | July 7, 2017 at 11:23 am |
JOHN MCKAY. James Purves and Caroline, nee Guillod, must have been living on Chiltin when this son was born in 1850.
EventBirth Event registration number33333 Registration year1850
Family namePURVES Given namesGeorge Hurdis SexMale Father’s nameJames Mother’s nameCarol Place of birthMT MACEDON
ME. | July 8, 2017 at 4:06 am | Reply
James Liddell Purves was not the only son of James Purves and Caroline (Guillod) to further his education in England. Harry Guillod Purves died there in 1867 just before turning 17.
PURVES -On 5th August, at Brighton, England, of
apoplexy, the result of an accident, Harry Guillod,
third and dearly beloved son of James and Caroline
Purves, aged sixteen years and eleven months.
(P.4, Argus, 16-10-1867.)
(While trying to re-find his death notice, I discovered why his mother’s death in 1889 was not recorded on VICTORIAN BDM; she apparently died there too as her death was announced by cable in 1889. Her son, George Hurdis, whose death record IS on VICTORIAN BDM) died at Ballarat in 1889 aged 39, “just as he seemed about to acquire considerable literary fame.”
P.13, Table Talk,27-9-1889.) http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/147280030)
The given name HURDIS might have come from the Guillod family tree. The above article and the following will of James and Caroline’s unmarried daughter indicates that one of her sisters married into the family of Frederick Race Godfrey of “Mount Ridley”.
Biography – Frederic Race Godfrey – Australian Dictionary of Biography
Annie Caroline Purves, late of Clarendon-street,
East Melbourne, spinster, by her will dated July 1,
1887,and presented for probate by her cousin. Mr. H.
Hale Budd, solicitor, appointed her brother, James
Liddell Purves, of the same place, Q.C., barrister-at
law, executor. She left her jewellery and personal
ornaments to her sister-in-law, Eliza Emma Purves
(wife of James Liddell Purves) ; £50 to Mary Guillod,
and the residue of her estate in equal parts to her
nieces, Eliza Mary and Eleanor Allison Purves,
daughters of James Liddell Purves, and if either of
them shall die under the age of 21, to the survivor of
them absolutely. She directed, however, that in case
her estate should exceed £6000, and amount to £8000,
she bequeathed 1 £1000 each to Constance Caroline De
Burgh Purves, daughter of her late brother, George
Hurdis Purves, of Ballarat, and her nephew, William
Scott Purves Godfrey, but if the surplus over £6000
shall be insufficient to satisfy the said two legacies In
full, then such legacies shall abate proportionately.
The testatrix died on February 9, 1890, at Macedon,
and her will was sworn at £ 11,500 personal.
(P.21, Table Talk, 1-8-1890.)
When James Purves was travelling to Chinton (or Chintin) station in 1850, he probably would have travelled past the young Queen Hotel at Pascoeville turning left near the present Broadmeadows railway station down to Broadmeadows Township, then right up the Ardlie St. hill to Mickleham Rd (which is still called Old Sydney Rd past Donnybrook Rd.) This route to Wallan would take him past “Mount Ridley”.
James Liddell Purves’ first wife died in 1876, the same year their only child was born. A search for James Purves produced only eight births, one of which revealed that James Liddell Purves had married Annie Lavinia GRICE, their son, James George, being born in Collingwood in 1876. (The Grice family was prominent in Mornington’s history.)
J.L.Purves must have remarried as Annie died in 1876 aged only 21.
Not only is there no birth record for James Liddell Purves in VICTORIAN BDM, but the record of his second marriage in 1879 is also missing. The only Purves marriage listed for 1879 is that of John Purves to Essey Elizabeth Barker. However, there is a very good reason why the second marriage is not listed on VICTORIAN births deaths and marriages.
J.L.Purves’ marriage notice.
PURVES-BRODRIBB. – On the 9th inst., at St Mark’s
Church, Darling Point, Sydney by the Rev T.
Kemmis, assisted by the Rev. J. Salinière, James
Liddell, eldest son of the late James Purves, of
Melbourne, to Eliza Emma, second daughter of
William Adams Brodribb, of Buckhurst, Double
Bay, Sydney. (P.1, Argus, 16-12-1879.)
I must have stumbled upon this marriage notice years ago because I’d researched Brodribb and discovered the AUSTRALIAN DICTIONARY OF BIOGRAPHY entry for J.L.’s second father in law.
ME.| July 8, 2017 at 5:03 am | Reply
AHA, THANKS TO THE LATE RAY CAIRNS AND BEV LAURISSEN OF THE DROMANA HISTORICAL SOCIETY (both related to the family of Yoeman James), THE BIRTH RECORD OF JAMES LITTLE PURVES HAS BEEN FOUND! They both told me that the surname was pronounced as two syllables and one rate collector, obviously new, had written it as Purvis.
EventBirth Event registration number1027 Registration year1843
Family namePURVIS Given namesJames Liddle SexMale Father’s nameJames Mother’s nameCaroline Place of birthMELBOURNE
ME.| July 8, 2017 at 5:17 am | Reply
My apology re stating the second given name of Gentleman James Purves’ first son as Little instead of Liddell. Little was the second given name of James Little Brown who restored rabbit and ti tree infested wasteland near Rye into the beautiful pasture we see today.
ME. | July 8, 2017 at 5:42 am | Reply
In view of the spelling of Purves in J.L.Purves’ birth record, I decided to check if the births of any of his siblings was registered as PURVIS. This was the only instance.
EventBirth Event registration number19029 Registration year1855
Family namePURVIS Given namesCaroline Frances SexUnknown Father’s nameJames Mother’s name (Caroline) Place of birthRICHMOND
ME. | July 9, 2017 at 12:30 am | Reply
In an earlier comment, I mentioned that George Hurdis Purves’ birth, registered twice at Mount Macedon, had probably taken place at Chinton Station. In the countless obituaries written in 1878, his father, soon after arrival from Tasmania, was stated to have taken up a station near Mt Macedon (which was apparently not Chinton) before moving to Melbourne to engage in architectural, surveying and auctioneering pursuits. George’s literary pursuits were mentioned in my more recent comment about his and his mother’s deaths in 1889.
George’s obituary confirms that he was indeed born at Chinton and that his father’s early pastoral pursuit was near Hanging Rock in partnership with Edward Dryden. It also mentions George’s training in law and literary pursuits in England before the climate there caused his departure for Ballarat (hardly the warmest place in Victoria!)
DEATH OF MR. G. H. PURVES:
From Our Correspondent.
Mr. George H. Purves, chairman of the Bal
larat stock exchange and brother of Mr.J. L.
Purves, Q.C., died this morning. The deceased,
who was 39 years of age, was born at Chinton,
Deep Creek, and was a son of Mr. James Purves,
one of the pioneers of the colony, who took up
tho first land at Hanging Rock, near Kyneton,
with Edward Dryden. in the year 1837. Mr.
Purves was educated for the law, and was articled
to one of the members of the firm of Messrs.
Malleson, England and Stewart. The legal pro
fession proved distasteful to him, however, and
for a tim\e he followed in a desultory way literary
pursuits, and ultimately settlod down to share-
broking. After several years in Ballarat his
health failed him, and he left on a trip to Eng
land. There he again took to literary work for
a time, but the climate proving somewhat trying
to himself and his children he returned to Ballarat.
About 12 months since Mr. Purves was elected
to the chairmanship of the stock exchange. He
had been suffering from the complaint which
terminated in his death for some timo past, but
it was only during the past few weeks that he
found it necessary to take to his bed. Ho was
attended by several doctors, and it was decided
to consult Dr. Fitzgerald, of Melbourne, as to the
supposed presence of a large tumor in the region
of the spleen. On Sunday last an operation
was performed by Dr. Fitzgerald in the presence
of several other surgeons, and it was
discovered that there was an enlargement of the
spleen to about 50 times its natural size. The
spleen was removed, the operation being a
thoroughly successful one, but complications that
were not anticipated set in, and the sufferer
expired at 3 o’clock this morning. Mr. J. L.
Purves, Q.C., was in attendance during
the previous day and night on his
brother, until his death. The deceased
leaves a widow and four children.
He was a hearty supporter of local athletics,
and was esteemed and respected for many good
qualities. As a token of respect the Ballarat
stock exchange adjourned until Saturday.
(P.5, The Age, 22-2-1889.)
PASTE LINKS INTO YOUR SEARCH BAR.
MICHAEL FOX, AND HIS SISTER, MRS BRIDGET BROWN, PIONEERS OF KEILOR, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA.
SOME FOX FAMILY PROPERTIES.
On 14-6-1878, M.Fox was granted crown allotment 7 of section 12 in the village. This could have been Michael and Bridget's mother Margaret who died in 1881.
Section 12 was bounded by Kennedy, Church, Eagling and Macedon Sts, the last being the main road. Consisting of 2 roods, half an acre, as most township blocks did, c/a 7 would have been 2 chains (40 metres) from Church St with a Kennedy St and Eagling St.frontage of 20 metres and a depth of 100 metres.
TRANSACTIONS IN PROPERTY.
Messrs. Pearson, Rowe, Smith and Co. report
having sold, on account of the mortgagee, a pro-
perly containing about 1105 acres of land near
Bridgewater 0n Loddon. Also, having let for three
years, under instructions from Mr. W. Crawford,
solicitor, Melbourne, allotments C and D of section
18, parish of Doutta Galla, containing 342 acre 2
roods, with improvements, situated 8 miles on the
Keilor-road, to Mr. Michael Fox, of Keilor.
(P.6, The Age, 9-5-1896.)
[Parish maps of Victoria]. Doutta Galla, County of Bourke [cartographic ...
digital.slv.vic.gov.au/dtl_pub…/compleximages/…/2442850.html (Map 1.)
NORTH POLE ROAD.
Milleara Rd, so labelled on the map, was the boundary between 18D Doutta Galla on the west and 18C on the east. Milleara Rd was known as North Pole Road well into the 20th century as it led to Solomon's Ford, as did Braybrook Rd (Buckley St west, Essendon.) This ford was originally south of Rhonda St (Melway 27 C9, the nearest place to Melbourne where the Saltwater River could be crossed, and later at the end of North Rd (27 C6.) All local heritage studies wrongly state that the ford was at 27B8. (Township of Braybrook and parish of Cut Cut Paw maps clearly show that this ford, which I call Clancy's ford, did not exist till the mid 1860's.) The historic North Pole Hotel was on c/a 18D and having been delicensed apparently became the residence of Michael Fox until his death in 1918.
Messrs. A. E. Gibson and Co. report having sold
the farm at Tullamarine known as Barbiston, con-
taining 163 a. 2 r. 14 p., to Mr. Michael Fox,
of Keilor. (P.12, Leader, 16-3-1901.)
Parish of Tullamarine, County of Bourke [cartographic material ...
Barbiston was at the western end of crown allotment 9B Tullamarine which consisted of exactly 200 acres. John Grant had purchased a part of the grant which was called the Seafield river frontage and described (wrongly) as 40 acres in Keilor rate records.
I was amazed that Michael's son, John, succeeded his father as a Doutta Galla riding* councillor because I presumed he was living on Bendene (formerly Geraghty's Paddock), crown allotment 9 of the Arundel Closer Settlement in the parish of Tullamarine. It's unclear whether John was living at Bendene or North Pole Rd in 1935 but the Fox and Geraghty families were more than mere acquaintances.
GERAGHTY.--on the 11th July, at the residence of his friend, Mr. J. Fox, Keilor, a brother of Peter Geraghty, of Palmerston North, New ZeaIand, aged 77 years. R.I.P. (P.11, The Age, 13-7-1935.)
(*John apparently served as a Doutta Galla riding councillor from 1918 until at least 1949 when his term expired. There were no reports of whether he was re-elected in 1949. In 1952, he was obviously living on Bendene and was elected as a Tullamarine riding councillor.
Keilor Shire Election Held
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Friday 18 July 1952 p 3 Article
... Keilor Shire Election Held Mr. John Fox yesterday was elected to Tullamarine riding in Keilor shire ... . The vacancy was caused by the death of Cr. E. J. Hassed.
LOTS 1 AND 2, ARUNDEL CLOSER SETTLEMENT.
These were south of Barbiston and granted to John Fox's brothers, Patrick and Thomas.
The death notices of Michael Fox and Mrs Thomas Brown who both died in 1918 do not show that they were siblings but their death records do.
DEATH NOTICES AND RECORDS.
FOX.--On the 3rd September, at his residence. North Pole road, Keilor, Michael,
the beloved husband of the late Rose Fox, and loving father of Patrick, John,
Thomas, Martha, Phillip and Christopher, aged 79 years. Requiescat in pace.
(P.2, Flemington Spectator, 12-9-1918.)
BROWN.—On the 31st October at Keilor, Bridget, beloved wife of the late Thomas Brown, and loving mother of John, Charlie, Maggie, Mrs. Cass, Robert, Alice, William, Katie and Joseph,aged 85 years. A colonist of 67 years. R.I.P.(P.13, Argus, 2-11-1918.)
Same parents, hence brother and sister.
EventDeath Event registration number9315 Registration year1918
Family nameFOX Given namesMichl SexUnknown Father's nameFox Chriser Mother's nameMargt* (Burns) Place of birth Place of deathKeilor Age79
EventDeath Event registration number13308 Registration year1918
Family nameBROWN Given namesBridget SexUnknown Father's nameFox Chriser Mother's nameMargt* (Burns) Place of birth Place of deathKeilor Age85
MICHAEL AND BRIDGET'S MARRIAGE RECORDS.
EventMarriage Event registration number2928 Registration year1873
Family nameFOX Given namesMichael SexMale Spouse's family nameREILLY Spouse's given namesRose
EventMarriage Event registration number2965 Registration year1858
Family nameFOX Given namesBridget SexFemale Spouse's family nameBROWN Spouse's given namesThomas
*See Margaret Fox, nee Burns, mother of Michael, Brigit and another son.
OBITUARIES FOR MICHAEL AND BRIDGET IN 1918.
MR. MICHAEL FOX.
Sincere regret has been expressed at
the death of Mr. Michael Fox. which oc-
curred at his residence, Keilor, on
Tuesday evening, September 3rd. The
deceased gentleman, who was 79 years
of age, had enjoyed excellent health
until the last few years, during which
time he suffered considerably, from
heart disease, which eventually caused
his death. Mr. Fox came to Australia
in his youth, and, after spending a
short time in Queensland, settled at
Keilor. where he resided continuously
for the past 52 years. For several
years he occupied the position of shire
councillor, and at the time of his death
was president of the shire. Mr. Fox's
wife, the late Mrs. Rose Fox, prede-
ceased her husband by sixteen years*, as
also did six children — one boy and five
girls Five son's and one daughter
Messrs. Patrick, John, Thomas, Philip,
and Christopher, and Miss Martha Fox
—are now left to mourn, the loss of
good father. The remains of the late
Mr. Fox were interred in the Keilor
Cemetery on Thursday, September 5th,
in the presence of a large number of
friends who were present to pay their
last tribute of respect to one whom
they held in high esteem. Rev. T. W.
O'Collins , officiated at the graveside. R.I.P.
(P.25, Advocate, 14-9-1918.)
(* FOX.—On the 1st inst., at Keilor, Rose, dearly beloved wife of Michael Fox. Aged 53 years. R.I.P. A native of Co. Cavan, Ireland, and a resident of Keilor for over 30 years. P.19, ADVOCATE, 12-4-1902.)
Another of the few remaining pioneers
of the Keilor district in Mrs. Bridget
Brown, widow of the late T. Brown, passed
away on Thursday last. The deceased
lady, who leaves a large family of sons and
daughters, was 85 years of age. The fun-
eral, which took place on Saturday at the
Keilor Cemetery, was very largely attended.
(The Essendon Gazette and Keilor, Bulla and Broadmeadows Reporter (Moonee Ponds, Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Thursday 7 November 1918 p 3 Article)
*MARGARET FOX, NEE BURNS, MOTHER OF MICHAEL, BRIDGET AND ANOTHER SON.
Mrs. Fox, an old resident of Keilor, died last Thursday, at the residence of her son, Mr. Michael Fox, after having reached the ripe age of 75 years.The funeral took place on Monday, when the remains were interred in the Keilor general cemetery. (P.3, Bacchus Marsh Express, 22-10-1881.)
This article was prompted by a request for information about Samuel Fleming, a resident at Springs near Keilor 1840- c.1851 who had married a Margaret Brown. In an effort to find if Margaret, nee Brown, was related to early Keilor pioneers named Brown, as it turned out, Thomas Brown, I discovered that the wife of Thomas Brown was the sister of Michael Fox. The Mrs Fox above (who died in 1881) could not be Rose, nee Reilly whose son Michael died at the age of 11; Rose died in about 1902 according to Michael's obituary.
ROSE'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number6016 Registration year1902
Family nameFOX Given namesRose SexUnknown Father's nameRielly Pat Mother's nameMary (Hearnes) Place of birth Place of deathKeilor Age54
Therefore, there is no doubt that the Mrs Fox who died in 1881 was Mrs Margaret Fox, nee Burns, mother of Michael, Bridget and another son, "the widow who came from Kings County, Ireland*", and presumably, according to Michael's obituary, spent a short time in Queensland before moving to Keilor.
(*Information from Eileen Reddan in about 1989.)
WHAT HAPPENED TO MICHAEL FOX JNR?
EventDeath Event registration number9027 Registration year1885
Family nameFOX Given namesMichael SexUnknown Father's nameMichl. Mother's nameRose (Rielly) Place of birth Place of deathKEILOR Age11
An accident of a fatal nature occurred at Keilor last Thursday. Two lads, named Patrick and Michael Fox, were wrestling in their father's garden, when Patrick threw his brother down, quite by accident, on a spade. The lad Michael became faint, and Dr. Fishbourne was sent for. The boy, however, died at 8 o'clock the same night from internal injuries. A magisterial inquiry was held before Mr. W. Taylor, J.P., and a verdict of accidental death was returned.(P.6, Argus, 21-7-1885.)
MICHAEL FOX, ESSENDON HILL, CONTRACTOR AND OTHER DETAILS FROM ROSE REDDAN etc. IN DHOTAMA (from page F73.)
In 1989, Michael Frewen of Tullamarine told me about a Fox descendant, Rose Reddan of Sunbury and a story about Chris Fox who used to take the milk from Barbiston to Hogan's dairy in Queen St near the east end of Keilor Rd. Chris lived on Barbiston with his sister, Matty (Martha) and obviously disliked using a whip. Michael Frewen used to hitch a ride with Chris on the Saturdays when Essendon was playing at Windy Hill. Chris often started these trips wearing mud caked gum boots but by the time they reached the dairy the mud had been used, rolled into little balls that Chris used to urge on his pair of horses.
Phil Fox, who was a bachelor, looked after a farm near the Dodd farm "Brimbank" and his married brother Bill, who married Mary Hogan, helped him. Dry cows from Barbiston were spelled on this farm which was called The Oaks.
(The boundary between John Dodd's Brimbank and The Oaks is indicated by the transmission line from the river at Melway 14 G10 (top right corner) to15B10. The southern boundary of The Oaks went from the river at 14 J12 to the entrance to Brimbank Park. South of The Oaks was the Graco closer settlement farm.
The Graco family had originally lived in Broadmeadows Township but had moved away after their youngster had accidentally shot the son of Bob Cargill, that town's butcher. The late Jack Hoctor told me about this tragedy, mentioning that Essendon footballer, Alan Graco, was a descendant of this family whose surname is wrongly given in the first article as Grace but is correct in the second article.
Brodmeadows Shire's ratebook for 1899-1900 showed that Michael Fox had land on Essendon Hill. This block, net annual value 2 pounds, which had to be east of Bulla Rd and north of Woodland St to be in Broadmeadows Shire, was probably a depot where he could leave his drays and horses, used for carting sand (gravel) from the Moonee Ponds Creek instead of taking them back to Keilor.
In 1889, Michael had 2.5 acres in the Doutta Galla riding of Keilor Shire, location not specified.
In 1930, Mrs M.A.Fox was assessed on lot 9 of the Arundel Closer Settlement, having just replaced Martin Geraghty* as occupant of the 120 acre block known as Geraghty's Paddock, but named Bendene by Mary Ann's husband, John Fox.
(*Martin may have gone to live with John and Mary Ann at North Pole Road-
GERAGHTY.--on the 11th July, at the residence of his friend, Mr. J. Fox, Keilor, a brother of Peter Geraghty, of Palmerston North, New ZeaIand, aged 77 years. R.I.P. P.11, The Age, 13-7-1935.)
Michael Frewen told me that Jack (John) used Bendene to grow wheat and spell dry cows.
Bendine was purchased c. 1960 from John Fox, probably shortly before his death. (No. 15 on the airport acquisitions map.)
Ray Taylor, who had lived in Keilor Park since 1955, told me that T.M.Bourke had bought land from John in 1928 for a railway station.* He also said that Ansair had bought land from John.
(*This was almost certainly the Milleara Station (on the Albion-Jacana line which was being built in 1928. By the greatest of good luck, my brother-in-law rescued a plan of the Milleara Station Estate which was being thrown out and which I presented to the Essendon Historical Society.
EXTRACT FROM MY JOURNAL.
It might just be that a family tree circles member has found that a relative bought land in this estate in the late 1920's and is wondering if there is any connection with Milleara Rd in East Keilor. There is!
I must firstly thank Peter Warren of Express Bin Hire in Colchester Rd, Rosebud West. Knowing of my interest in local history, he has seen the 84 year old framed green, black and white plan of the Milleara Railway Station Estate in one of his bins and instead of dumping it at the tip, he asked me to have a look at it.
This plan will be given tomorrow to Bob Chalmers of the Essendon Historical Society and will be available for inspection at the society's Old Court House Museum between Queens Park and Moonee Ponds Junction.
The Milleara Railway Station Estate can be found at Melway 15 D9. It was bounded by Keilor Rd and the Albion railway line (under construction), containing Slater and Webber Pde blocks to their junction. This was the north west (almost) half of 18C, Doutta Galla. Street names remain the same but Tunnecliffe Ave has been closed, replaced by freeway interchanges; this avenue was obviously extended west when the freeway was being built and the extension remains as Tunnecliffe Crt. The north end of Webber Pde is now the end of Ely Crt. In my historic Melway, Prendergast Ave is written as Pendergass; I hope they've fixed it by now.
If a railway station had been built, it is likely that this estate would be proudly residential rather than industrial. Luckily the Albion-Jacana line, with its two massive bridges over the Maribyrnong and the Moonee Ponds Creek, was finished before the Wall Street crash hastened the depression which was the first of many excuses for not catering for passengers.
Newspaper articles below are about John Quinn after whom Quinn Grove on John Beale's "Shelton" is named. He probably came up with the name "Milleara", part of the name of his company which was formed at about the time this plan was drawn. Despite the depression, 1933 was a busy time for the Scotts; the Quinns were having trouble paying their rates. This plan had most likely hung in the Quinn Group boardroom or foyer for many decades until a facelift was considered necessary and this treasure was placed in storage. )
ROSE REDDAN (as we now know, the daughter of John and Mary Anne Fox) told me the following.
Michael Fox came from King's County, Ireland with a widowed mother (who, as illustrated above, died in 1881) and a brother (yet unknown) and sister (Bridget who married Thomas Brown.) On 20-7-1873, he married Rose Reilly, also from Ireland. FOR QUITE A WHILE HE WAS A CONTRACTOR WORKING ON ROADS. Michael and Rose had eleven children but five of these died and only one (obviously John) married. Those who died young are indicated by asterisks.
They were Michael*, Patrick, Margaret*, Mary*, Rose Anne*, Catherine*, John and Thomas who were twins, Martha (Matty), Phillip (1883-1948) and Christopher.
John Fox, known to many as Jack, married Mary Anne Comersord (I couldn't read my scribbled notes properly!)in 1912. She was a country girl who had moved to Hawthorn from a town near Myrtleford when her aunt died to help her uncle raise his family.
John and Mary Anne also had 11 children: Rose,( my informant), William (who married Mary Hogan of Kensington), Mary Bridget, John, Margaret, Patrick and Ursula (who were twins but Ursula died young), Sheila, Philomena and Alice.
Two of John's daughters married sons of Michael Reddan who moved from the Bulla area and farmed Brightview (west of Dalkeith to the west end of Sharps Rd), James Sharp's Hillside while the Albion-Jacana line was being built and John Grant's Seafield, whose river frontage adjoined Barbiston and the Fox grants, lots 1 and 2 of the Arundel Closer Settlement.(Eileen Reddan, sister of Tom and Michael Reddan Jnr.)
Rose married Tom Reddan and they had a farm in Riddell Rd, Sunbury. Mary married Michael Reddan Jnr.
It was Matty, armed with a box brownie who took one of the most shared photographs in Keilor's early days. Showing the congregation of St. Augustine's outside the historic bluestone church, it appears in the collections of the Borrell, Crotty, Brown and other families.
Rose believed that John was still a councillor when he died in 1960.
Bernie McSweeney recalled that one of the Fox girls used to ride her horse to mass at St Theresa's in Lincoln Rd, Essendon.
FOX IN ST. ALBANS? (RE NAMING OF FOX ST., MELWAY 13 K9.)
In my transcriptions of Keilor rate records I was mainly concerned with the Tullamarine riding and thus was not aware of most ratepayers in the parish of Maribyrnong, except for crown grantees and those mentioned in the three Keilor historical souvenirs (1950, 1961 and 1963.) My paper map could only be read laboriously with a magnifying glass regarding smaller grants, such as at Sydenham and Green Gully but luckily the Maribynong map can be viewed online and zoomed.
The third sale in 1879* was the old Keilor Town Common land from Green Gully between the Sunshine Avenue and the Saltwater River down to Boundary Road east, which attracted buyers such as Charles Stenson, Michael Fox and Patrick McShane. This was a smaller sale than the previous one in 1868 but it finalised the neighbourhood boundaries.
Not only did I find Michael Fox's grant but also the neighbouring one of his brother-in-law, Thomas Brown.
THE MAP. http://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-232024795/view
See the area of the map which corresponds with the area bisected by Driscolls Rd on map 14 in Melway. Thomas Brown was granted c/a 11 and Michael Fox c/a 8. Practically every grantee in section A was a fair dinkum pioneer worthy of inclusion in any history of Keilor.
(*These fair dinkum pioneers owed their ability to obtain a block to Donald Cameron M.L.A. The opening of the rest of the common was opposed by the Keilor correspondent of the Bacchus Marsh Express who was probably one of those whose flocks would mysteriously appear on the common and denude it of all feed. Read the letters from Cameron and the correspondent.
BROWN IN MY JOURNALS OR EARLY LANDOWNERS:PARISH OF TULLAMARINE or WHERE BIG BIRDS SOAR or TULLAMAMARINE: BEFORE THE JETPORT or DHOTAMA.
I've written a bit about the Brown family of Browns Rd, resulting from an interview, SOMEWHERE- but it's going to be easier to find information that was not available to me at that time.
The children of Thomas Brown and Bridget, nee Fox, listed in Bridget's obituary are listed below with place of birth (Keilor unless otherwise stated), year and registration number.
John (1860, 17758), Charlie (1862, 2875), Maggie (1863, 21007), Mrs Cass (see below), Robert* (No birth record with the right parents found between 1858 and 1880), Alice (1873, 10074), William (No 1876, 3461), Katie (Kate, 1879, 3589), Joseph (Martin Joseph, 1881, 3675.)
MRS CASS. No Cass marriage mentioned a Brown girl as the Spouse so this might have been a second marriage. Her name was Mary.
EventDeath Event registration number5599 Registration year1948
Family nameCASS Given namesMary SexFemale Father's nameBROWN Thomas Mother's nameBridget (Fox) Place of birthKEILOR Place of deathKENSINGTON Age81
CASS. — On June 10, at her daughter's
residence, 4 Ormond-st., Kensington,
Mary Cass, of 42 Ire!and-st., West Mel
bourne. beloved wife of the late John
and loved mother of Mollie (Mrs.
Hunt) and the late Thomas. R.l.P.(P.2, The Age, 11-6-1948.)
The funeral left 4 Ormond St for a service at Holy Rosary, Kensington and burial at Footscray. (Page 4 of the same paper.)
(*Robert may have been the un-named male born to Thomas and Bridget in 1871, reg. No.3214. The baby did not die in 1871 so the lack of a name was probably because of indecision, not a stillbirth.
The sympathy of the residents of Keilor has been expressed to Misses and Messrs W. and J. Brown of Keilor, in the sudden death of Mr. Bob Brown, a very old resident of Keilor. (P.6, Sunshine Advocate, 26-9-1941.)
EventDeath Event registration number21625 Registration year1941
Family nameBROWN Given namesRobert SexMale Father's nameBROWN Thomas Mother's nameBridget (Fox) Place of birthKEILOR Place of deathKEILOR Age70)
PHOTO- HELPING DADDY WITH THE FRUIT, MR. J.BROWN'S ORCHARD, KEILOR. (P. 32, Weekly Times, 25-4-1931.)
The marriage was celebrated, with
Nuptial Mass, at St. Anne's, Broadmeadows,
on May 5, of Eileen Mary,
eldest daughter of Mr. W. Walsh,
"Station View," Broadmeadows, and
the late Mrs. Walsh to Thomas, elder
son of Mr. and Mrs. M. J. Brown,*
(Description of attire.)
The groom had his brother, Joseph
Brown, as best man. (P.20, Advocate, 7-6-1951.)
Station View was on the west side of Pascoe Vale Rd near the Broadmeadows Station, probably part of the old Glen Allan farm, and was one of several dairy farms whose milk could be conveyed quickly to metropolitan dairies by train. The Walsh family at one stage had a farm north of Kenny St, Broadmeadows Township, accessed via Elizabeth St. St. Anne's was in Ardlie St.
(*M.J.Brown would be Martin Joseph, son of Thomas and Bridget, born in 1881.)
Michael Joseph Brown would have been no stranger to the Broadmeadows area where The Oaklands Hunt often hunted. He was seriously hurt in the area in 1903 while riding with fellow members of the club.
This ended the day's hunting, for as hares
were not plentiful no more were sighted, so we
adjourned to Craigieburn station, to which place
our special had journeyed. It likewise carried our
hamper, and having boxed horses we boiled the
"billy," and partook of the cup that—It is said—
never fails to cheer. On this occasion it did not
fulfil its cheerful mission, for we, too, soon
learned that one of our followers, Mr. M. J. Fox,
had been seriously injured by a fall from his horse
Delware. Falls and misadventures were numerous
throughout the hunt, for at the first fence one lady
and two gentlemen came to grief. Mr. Fox was one
of the victims here, but he was quickly remounted,
and followed on for about another three miles,
when his horse again blundered at a fence, and
came down heavily on him. It was at once seen
that his injuries were bad, as he was unable to move, However, a couple of the field stopped with him, and having obtained aid and assistance from Mr Shankland, the sufferer was carried up to the latter gentleman's house, where all was done that could be pending the arrival of Dr. Thompson? -who had been telephoned for-from Essendon.
Examination soon showed the serious-
ness of the case, and the doctor ordered the speedy
removal of the patient to Melbourne. He was
taken by Mr. Shankland in a vehicle to Somerton
station, where the special train had been kept
waiting for him. Arriving in town Mr. Fox was
at once taken on to Dr. Moore's private hospital,
and though he sustained some injury to his pelvis
it is gratifying to learn now that he is progressing
as satisfactorily as can be wished for. When
thanks are being bestowed in this case, it is cer-
tain that Mr. W. Shankland* will come in for his
full share of them.
*William Shankland's farm "Brook Hill" was between Somerton Rd and the Shankland Wetlands near Broadmeadows Valley Park. His father Robert Shankland's farm Waltham was the east half of Greenvale Reservoir.
The Fitzroy (football) team will include several players from the country districts, amongst the best being C. Brown, from Keilor, a good all-round man, and J. Brown from the same place— a splendid follower— besides Dodd and Johnson, of the Keilor club, and Beggs, of Sunbury. (P.4, Sportsman, 7-5-1884.)
C.Brown would be Charlie, born in 1862 and J.Brown* would be John, born in 1860. Countless articles show that Charlie was a good runner. One venue where Charlie competed in 1886 was at the Melfort Track at Melway 28J1 built by the new owner of the National Hotel which he had renamed as the Melfort.
(*John, who had apparently been living with his sister Alice, died in 1933.
BROWN. —On the 25th October, at a private
hospital, John Brown, beloved son of the late
Thomas and Bridget Brown, of Keilor, and loving
brother of Charles (deceased), Margaret, Mary
(Mrs. Cass), Robert, Alice, William, Katherine,
and Joseph —Rest In peace.
BROWN -The Friends of the late JOHN BROWN
are respectfully Invited to follow his remains
to the place of interment in the Keilor Cemetery
The funeral is appointed to move from the resi
dence of his sister (Miss Alice Brown), Flora street
Keilor THIS DAY (Thursday, 26th October), at 3 p.m.
BOTH P.1, ARGUS, 26-10-1933.)
Catherine Brown died at Heidelberg in 1950. Her death and funeral notices are on page 2 and 8 of The Age of 7-12-1950. She was buried at Keilor after a service at St. Augustine's.
EventDeath Event registration number13897 Registration year1950
Family nameBROWN Given namesCatherine SexFemale Father's nameBROWN Thomas Mother's nameBridget (Fox) Place of birthKEILOR Place of deathHEIDELBERG Age72
Margaret Brown died on 14-3-1946 at Keilor. Her funeral arrangements were as for Catherine.
BROWN.— On March 14, Margaret Brown,
of Keilor, beloved daughter of the late
Thomas and Bridget, and loved sister of
Mary (Mrs. Cass), Catherine, John,
Charles, Joseph, William and Robert. Re-
quiescat in pace.(P.11, The Age, 16-3-1946.)
William Brown was a road contractor who metalled 10 chains of McNabs Rd in 1914.
This is the marriage record of Mrs Brown of Keilor mentioned in Skinner and Anderson death notices (named as Evelyn in the second one,)
EventMarriage Event registration number9920 Registration year1911
Family nameSKINNER Given namesEvelyn SexUnknown Spouse's family nameBROWN Spouse's given namesChas
Evelyn died at Keilor in 1956.Her sister Alma Ada Anderson who died in 1934 had worked for the J.C. Williamson Opera Company. Their mother who died in 1915 was described as being late of Keilor and South Melbourne.
EventDeath Event registration number7106 Registration year1956
Family nameBROWN Given namesEvelyn SexFemale Father's nameSKINNER William Mother's nameAda (Hutchinson) Place of birthMELBOURNE SOUTH Place of deathKEILOR Age79
Evelyn's husband, Charles, was the son of Thomas and Bridget Brown who was born in 1862. Charles would have been about 49 when he married Evelyn and died about 16 years later but they still managed to have three children. Charles died in 1927.
BROWN.- On the 22nd November, suddenly, at
Melbourne Hospital, Charles, beloved husband of
Evelyn Brown, loving father of Evelyn, Eily and
Charles Ernest, loving brother of John, Margaret
(Mrs Cass, Robert, Alice, William, Catherine
and Joseph, aged 65 years, Rest in peace.
(P.1, The Age, 24-11-1927.)
EventDeath Event registration number15364 Registration year1927
Family nameBROWN Given namesCharles SexUnknown Father's nameBrown Thomas Mother's nameBridget (Fox) Place of birth Place of deathMelb E Age65
Thomas Brown gave a native bear to the zoological and acclimatisation society in 1892.
As mentioned previously, it's easier to find information on Victorian BDM and trove than what I've already written about the Browns of Browns Rd. As trove wasn't working, I was doing a google search for Arundel and found the following in a journal I'd written about some farms near Tullamarine.
ARUNDEL ESTATE. CLOSER SETTLEMENT HOLDING. Estate of EUPHEMIA BARR. Deceased.
Tenders are hereby invited by John Milburn and James Wallace, as Trustees for the purchase of Allotment 16, Section One, Parish of Tullamarine, County of Bourke, containing 7 acres and 28 perches or thereabouts, on which is erected a double-fronted four roomed weatherboard house, with front and back verandahs and outbuildings,consisting of dairy, man's room, buggy shed, stable (one-stalled) and fowl house. Amongst the improvements are an underground tank and a galvanised iron tank (300 gallons) connected with kitchen.
The property formed part of the Arundel Estate, and is situated one mile from the Keilor township, and fronts the Saltwater River. Closer Settlement requirements etc.
(P.3, Essendon Gazette and Keilor,Bulla and Broadmesadows Reporter, 12 August, 1915.)
Robert Brown,member of a very old Keilor family, took over the crown lease of lot 16, at the end of Brown's Rd*, and gained his grant in 1928. John Milburn, was not a Closer Settlement resident. He lived directly over the river near Milburn Rd. The Wallaces are longtime residents of the closer settlement and Don of Elm Grove was heavily involved with the market gardeners' state body.
(*Top left corner of Melway 14 G2.)
THOMAS BROWN, WITNESS RE THE KEILOR MURDER IN 1868.
Thomas Brown stated that he saw Duncan
Macdonald and the prisoner together on the
morning of the 25th December.
Ironically Thomas Brown's grant was across directly across Sunshine Avenue from Joseph Ball's farm where John Fairweather had been murdered, as can be seen on the map whose link is given under FOX IN ST.ALBANS?
A BIT OF ST. ALBANS HISTORY.
One of the histories that I read during my Keilor research was one published by the St Albans Historical Society and, I believe, written by Joan Carstairs. It provided much detail about the private subdivision that resulted in the establishment of St Albans as a locality. In 1930, the residents asked for the streets in this subdivision to be declared as public roads but the request was opposed by Cr. John Fox.
WAS THIS THE WIFE OF JOHN FOX?
(POSTSCRIPT. The surname COMERFORD tinkled a bell, but very quietly. Not surprising, given that it is 28 years since I had written it.)
John was the executor of one of his brother, Phillip, in 1948, and of Mrs Mary Anne Fox in 1952.
EventDeath Event registration number19042 Registration year1952
Family nameFOX Given namesMary Ann SexFemale Father's nameCOMERFORD William Mother's nameMary (Tracey) Place of birthMEADOW CREEK Place of deathKEILOR Age69
EventMarriage Event registration number1268 Registration year1912
Family nameFOX Given namesJno Peter SexUnknown Spouse's family nameCOMERFORD Spouse's given namesMary Anne
EventBirth Event registration number16703 Registration year1880
Family nameFOX Given namesJno SexUnknown Father's nameMichl Mother's nameRose (Reilly) Place of birthKEILOR
If so, John would have been aged about 32 when he married and 38 when he became a councillor.
It seems almost certain that John and Mary Anne would have met and married at St. Augustine's Keilor where the Crotty, Fitzpatrick and Fox families worshipped.
The Fitzpatrick Closer Settlement farm in today's Avondale Heights can be seen on the Doutta Galla parish map (link above.)
FITZPATRICK.— on November 3 (suddenly), James William Fitzpatrick, of Military-road, Keilor. beloved youngest son of the late James and Mary Ann Fitzpatrick, and loved brother of Margaret (Mrs.COMERFORD, deceased), Mary
(Mrs. O'Connor). Honora, Edward (deceased), John (deceased). Ellen (Mrs,Crotty (deceased), Catherine (deceased), William (deceased) and Joanna (Mother Mary Agnes, Convent of Good Shepherd, Abbotsford), aged 77 years. Requiescat In pace. (P.2, The Age, 6-11-1950.)
JOHN AND MARY ANNE'S CHILDREN.
(POSTSCRIPT. The following were born between 1912 and 1920. They had 11 children altogether, including a son named Phil, who are listed on page F76 of my dictionary history of Tullamarine and miles around. See these under the heading MICHAEL FOX, ESSENDON HILL, CONTRACTOR AND OTHER DETAILS FROM ROSE REDDAN etc. IN DHOTAMA.)
AHA! I was wondering about Bill Fox, whom Rose Reddan mentioned in about 1990. Phil* and Rose might have been his siblings.
EventBirth Event registration number4879 Registration year1914
Family nameFOX Given namesWm SexUnknown Father's nameJno Mother's nameMary Ann (Comerford) Place of birthKEILOR
EventBirth Event registration number22624 Registration year1915
Family nameFOX Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameJno Mother's nameMary Ann (Conoford) Place of birthKEILOR
EventBirth Event registration number31221 Registration year1912
Family nameFOX Given namesRose SexFemale Father's nameJno Mother's nameMary Ann (Comford) Place of birthKEILOR
Came across your interesting articles re the Springs Tullamarine/Keilor. My Wife's GG Grandfather was Samuel Fleming who arrived at Port Phillip in 1839 on the ship "Hope" from Sydney,they quickly settled (by family contacts) at the Springs I assume on a ten year lease. They moved to Mia Mia in 1850 becoming one of that area's earliest settlers. The Fleming's family still thrive today.
Springs could either describe the location of James Laverty south of Keilor Road or David William O'Niall of the Lady of the Lake Hotel at Tullamarine which was rather confusing so residents near Keilor were soon afterwards referred to as living at Springfield. As the earliest ratebooks available in 1863 (Broadmeadows) and 1868 (Keilor), I'll have to rely on trove.
Ross Bird of Australia:Information about Samuel Fleming
Samuel Fleming (b. 1799, d. 26 Mar 1870)
Samuel Fleming (son of Joseah Fleming and Eliza) was born 1799 in Derryloran, Tyrone, Ireland, and died 26 Mar 1870 in "Rockdale Farm", Kyneton, Vic206. He married Margaret Brown on 1817 in Tyrone, Ireland, daughter of Robert Brown and Angela.
More About Samuel Fleming:
Immigration 1: 03 Oct 1838, "Parland" arrives Sydney, NSW from Londonderry, Ireland.207
Immigration 2: 28 Jan 1840, Samuel Fleming from Tasmania destination "The Springs" Keilor, Vic.208
Residence 1: 13 Sep 1846, "The Springs", Keilor, Victoria.209
Residence 2: 24 Nov 1853, "Rockdale Farm", Kyneton, Victoria.210
More About Samuel Fleming and Margaret Brown:
Marriage: 1817, Tyrone, Ireland.
Children of Samuel Fleming and Margaret Brown are:
Jane Fleming, b. 1820, Derryloran, Tyrone, Ireland, d. date unknown, Canada211.
William Fleming, b. 1821, Derryloran, Tyrone, Ireland, d. date unknown.
David H Fleming, b. 1824, Derryloran, Tyrone, Ireland, d. date unknown.
Robert Fleming, b. 1825, Derryloran, Tyrone, Ireland, d. date unknown.
Thomas Fleming, b. 1828, Derryloran, Tyrone, Ireland, d. 18 May 1856.
+Eliza Fleming, b. 1829, Derryloran, Tyrone, Ireland, d. 30 Aug 1865, Melbourne, Vic212.
+Sarah Fleming, b. Jan 1830, Tyrone, Ireland213, d. 03 Mar 1890, Shepparton, Vic214.
+Samuel Fleming, b. 1831, Derryloran, Tyrone, Ireland, d. date unknown.
Margaret Fleming, b. 1836, Derryloran, Tyrone, Ireland, d. date unknown.
The Brown connection leads me to believe that "The Springs", Samuel's destination, was near Keilor (as stated above) rather than Tullamarine. The Brown family after whom Browns Rd on the Arundel Closer Settlement was named had been living near Keilor Road for about half a century before the closer settlement was established. I was contacted many years ago through family tree circles by a descendant of the Brown family.
Could this have been Samuel and Margaret's grandson? (Paste link into search bar.)
Jane would seem to have been the daughter of Samuel Jnr. (1831-unknown,i.e. 1897*.)
SAMUEL JNR.'S OBITUARIES.
*SAMUEL JNR.'S DEATH NOTICE.
EventDeath Event registration number13345 Registration year1897
Family nameFLEMING Given namesSaml SexUnknown Father's nameFleming Saml Mother's nameMargt (Brown) Place of birth Place of deathKton Age62
SAMUEL SNR.'S DEATH NOTICE.(N.B. His mother's name could be a mistake.)
EventDeath Event registration number1529 Registration year1870
Family nameFLEMING Given namesSamuel SexUnknown Father's nameJosiah Mother's nameMargaret (Brown) Place of birthTYRO Place of death Age82 Spouse's family nameBROWN Spouse's given namesMargeret
DEATH NOTICE OF MARGARET, NEE BROWN.
At her residence, Kyneton, on the 29th March,Margaret, the wife of Samuel Fleming, late of Tyrone,Ireland, aged 61 years. (P.4, Argus, 5-4-1853.)
There is no death record for Margaret on Victorian BDM.
Also along with Samuel Fleming there was another Irish settler Henry Wilkinson, who arrived in Pt Phillip in 1841 and married Sarah Fleming in Melbourne in 1846, I also believe that Henry may have farmed at the Springs, After 1851 Henry and Sarah also moved north to Kyneton then shortly after to Kialla near Shepparton. The Fleming and Wilkinson families continued to inter marry over the years.
Another Inquest was held yesterday at Keilor, on the body of a man supposed to be Emanuel Chasey, who was found dead about three miles beyond Keilor.
Jury:—Messrs George Bayley, Samuel Flemming, Patrick Ruskin, Robert Hill, John Orr,Elias Smith, Edward Winters, William Fleming, Tnomas Faithful, M. Burke, M. Brown and H.Wilkinson.(P.2, Argus, 19-1-1850.)
Samuel Fleming and Henry Wilkinson each donated 2 guineas towards the proposed hospital at Kyneton.
(P.7, Argus, 15-8-1853.)
No articles about Springs or Springfield prior to 1851 mention Samuel Fleming and there was no obituary for Sam Snr. in 1870 which might have given some indication what he was doing at Springs in the 1840's. He may have been an indentured labourer or leasing land. There is evidence of small farms being available at Springs such as one of 30 acres mentioned in 1845.
THE ONLY OTHER 1840'S ARTICLE MENTIONING FLEMING AND KEILOR.
There is no death record for the victim in this case (who is not named as a child of Samuel and Margaret Fleming on Ross Bird's page)but the fact that the accident happened on the road to Keilor ON THE WAY HOME FROM MELBOURNE would seem to rule out a Fleming family usually described as resident at Moonee Ponds. This other Fleming family lived in Brunswick; Moonee Ponds meaning ANYWHERE near the Moonee Moonee Chain of Ponds in such early days. However the accident happened only two miles from Melbourne so they could have been heading north west to Ormond Rd, a western extension of Brunswick Road. The Bulla road had been surveyed in 1847 but as the gold rush had not begun it was not yet the great road to the diggings so Mt Alexander road north of Flemington bridge would have been referred to as Keilor road. This is included to indicate that it is probably a red herring.
Fatal Accident.-On Monday evening a melancholy occurrence took place on the Keilor Road, about two miles from Melbourne. Mr. Fleming, junior, was driving a gig, in which were his mother and his two sisters, being on the way from town to his father's residence on the Moonee Ponds; when at the turn of the road, the wheel of the vehicle came in contact with a stump and threw out Miss Elizabeth Fleming,who was standing at the time in front of the gig, with violence to tho ground, alighting on her head. She was immediately raised, seemingly not much hurt, and conveyed to the next house, where she expired in an hour afterwards during the absence of her brother for Mr. Fleming. Concussion of the brain was the cause of death. The body was brought into town and deposited at tho St. John's Tavern, An inquest was held next day before Dr. Wilmot, and a jury of householders, when a verdict of "Accidental Death," was returned. (P., Argus, 2-8-1849.)
Mr Fleming Jnr. who was driving the gig was probably John Wood Fleming, aged about 13, or maybe an older brother who had died by 1912.
John's claim that Flemington was named after his family is wrong. It was named by the grantee of the Flemington Estate, James Watson*, after an estate of that name in Scotland managed by his father.Hugh Glass retained the name. (People, cows, and cars : the changing face of Flemington / Marcus Breen)
*Watson was also responsible for the names of Keilor, Watsonia and Rosanna.
I could find no marriage record for Samuel Fleming Jnr. (1831-1897) but the following death record indicates that he might have married Emily Carl(e)ton. The death was (registered?) at Malmsbury.
EventDeath Event registration number10058 Registration year1873
Family nameFLEMING Given namesEmily Carlton SexUnknown Father's nameSamuel Mother's nameEmily (Carleton) Place of birthMALM Place of death Age5
This is almost certainly the death record of Samuel Jnr.'s widow.
EventDeath Event registration number13505 Registration year1918
Family nameFLEMING Given namesEmily SexUnknown Father's nameCarleton Goodwin Mother's nameMary Ann (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathMalmsbury Age81
MORE FROM ROSS BIRD.
Sarah Fleming (b. Jan 1830, d. 03 Mar 1890)
Sarah Fleming (daughter of Samuel Fleming and Margaret Brown) was born Jan 1830 in Tyrone, Ireland216, and died 03 Mar 1890 in Shepparton, Vic217.She married Henry Wilkinson on 13 Sep 1846 in Melbourne, Vic, son of Henry Wilkinson.
More About Sarah Fleming:
Immigration 1: 03 Oct 1838, "Parland" arrives Sydney, NSW from Londonderry, Ireland.218
Immigration 2: 28 Jan 1840, Samuel Fleming from Tasmania, destination "The Springs" Keilor, Vic.219
Residence 1: 13 Sep 1846, "The Springs", Keilor, Victoria.220
Residence 2: 23 Dec 1863, "Fair View" Kyneton, Victoria.221
Residence 3: Abt. 1870, "Almond Vale", Arcadia, Shepparton, Victoria.222
More About Sarah Fleming and Henry Wilkinson:
Marriage: 13 Sep 1846, Melbourne, Vic.
Children of Sarah Fleming and Henry Wilkinson are:
+Henrietta Wilkinson, b. 02 Jul 1847, Keilor, Victoria223, d. 15 Jul 1916, Shepparton, Victoria224.
Eliza Jane Wilkinson, b. 05 Aug 1848, d. 04 Apr 1894, Kyneton, Victoria225.
Samuel Wilkinson, b. 18 Dec 1849, d. 17 Nov 1904, Kialla, Victoria225.
Henry Wilkinson, b. 10 Nov 1852, d. 25 Jan 1854, Kyneton, Victoria225.
Margaret Wilkinson, b. 05 Sep 1854, Kyneton, Victoria, d. 01 Sep 1935, Lilydale, Victoria225.
Henry Wilkinson, b. 11 Jun 1856, Kyneton, Victoria, d. 27 Aug 1913, Euroa, Victoria225.
William John Wilkinson, b. 30 Jan 1858, Kyneton, Victoria, d. 24 Mar 1858, Kyneton, Victoria225.
Sarah Wilkinson, b. 17 May 1859, Kyneton, Victoria, d. 09 Mar 1939, Kialla, Victoria225.
William John Wilkinson, b. 01 Jul 1861, Kyneton, Victoria, d. 19 Jan 1937, Kialla, Victoria225.
Thomas James Wilkinson, b. 01 Mar 1863, Kyneton, Victoria, d. 31 Jul 1926, Shepparton, Victoria225.
Elizabeth Gordon Wilkinson, b. 20 Feb 1865, Kyneton, Victoria, d. 25 Jan 1878, Murchison, Victoria225.
+Robert Alexander Wilkinson, b. 20 Jan 1867, Kyneton, Victoria, d. 1909, Violet Town, Victoria225.
Moses Wilkinson, b. 14 Aug 1869, Kyneton, Victoria, d. 10 Nov 1945, Euroa, Victoria225.
David Hamilton Wilkinson, b. 26 Mar 1872, Arcadia, Shepparton, Victoria, d. date unknown.
I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT SAMUEL JNR.'S WIDOW.
Sarah FLEMING was born November 1830 and baptised at Saint Luran's Parish Church, Derryloran (Cookstown, Co Tyrone, Ireland) on 3 Feb 1831. At the time her parents Samuel FLEMING and Margaret BROWN were living in nearby Knockaconny (St. Luran's Parish Church records).
Her Victorian death certificate (1890 #4704) states 32 years in Victoria) with her parents and siblings .
She and her parents arrived in Sydney on 3 Oct 1838 per "Parland" from Londonderry (Derry) in Northern Ireland, sailing to Melbourne a month later on the "Hope" arriving 3 Jan 1839 with their children.
Their eldest daughter Jane did not accompany them, having married a Mr Kimpston and going to America. After leasing at Keilor, the family purchased land at Kyneton which they named "Rockdale". Sarah's mother Margaret died there shortly afterwards in 1853 aged 50 years (source: First Families website, State Library of Victoria, no longer available) and Samuel died 26 Mar 1870 aged 82 years (Victorian death certificate #1529).
Sarah FLEMING married Henry WILKINSON on 30 Sep 1846 at St. James Church of England, Melbourne (Victorian marriage certificate).
Sarah FLEMING is also the sister of Samuel FLEMING who married Hannah GOLLAN*, the daughter of Roderick GOLLAN and Jane LITTLE (see her father James LITTLE).
Sarah died 3 Mar 1890 Shepparton, Victoria 60yo, and was buried 5 Mar 1890 at Kialla cemetery.
*Hannah Gollan certainly married a Samuel Fleming but Sarah's brother Samuel would have been 44 when this marriage took place.
EventMarriage Event registration number390 Registration year1875
Family nameGOLLAN Given namesHannah SexFemale Spouse's family nameFLEMING Spouse's given namesSamuel
From the same website.
Henry WILKINSON arrived in Melbourne per "Neptune" 30 Mar 1841 at 21 years of age. He was born 1819 in Co Armagh, Ireland (source: Early Families of Shepparton Wilkinson pages by Don Reid) on 5 March (source: Henry's g-grand-daughter Thelma from Henry's grand-daughter Margaret Scott nee Wilkinson). He spent 63 years in Victoria until his death 16 May 1903 (Victorian death certificate). Before coming to Victoria, Henry was a farmer. A native of Co Down, he was known to be living with his father and mother and siblings at the village of Donaghcloney, Co Down, between 1823 and 1828 (source: First Families website). I found no trace of the family in the Donaghcloney parish records and a search of Down and Armagh (both cited as his birthplace) is not feasible without further information.
Henry's father Henry Wilkinson, Lieutenant in the 40th (2nd Somersetshire) Regiment of Foot, was in Captain Semporius Stretton's Company at the Battle of Waterloo, serving for some time in the army of occupation in France, being a faithful and trusted member of the staff of the Iron Duke (sources: First Families website, Early Families of Shepparton Wilkinson pages by Don Reid, Henry Wilkinson's obituary). Henry Wilkinson (snr) signed on as an Ensign on 8 May 1810 and was later promoted to Lieutenant on 12 May 1812 before going on half pay from 14 May 1818 for which he was listed up until 1861 (Army Lists, Society of Genealogists, London). Given his age, it is possible that he died in 1861/2.
After a couple of stints at labouring and market gardening at Richmond for a year, Henry rented a farm at Sunbury for seven years (source: First Families website, State Library of Victoria, no longer available).
On 30 Sep 1846, Henry WILKINSON married Sarah FLEMING, daughter of Samuel FLEMING at St. James Church of England in Melbourne (Victorian marriage certificate).
Henry left farming for a short while to look for gold. He had no luck at Ballarat but found enough at Castlemaine and Bendigo to purchase a team of six horses. He then spent at least 3 years transporting essentials like flour from Melbourne and various parts of the country to Mt Alexander and Bendigo. In 1854 he puchased 33 acres near Kyneton (near the present Lauriston Reservoir). In 1870 he sold Kyneton and purchased "Almond Vale", 500 acres at Arcadia in the Goulburn Valley (source: First Families website, State Library of Victoria, no longer available).
Henry and Sarah had 14 children (1847-1873).
Their daughter Sarah WILKINSON married George GOLLAN, the son of Roderick GOLLAN and Jane LITTLE.
RE RESIDENCE AT THE SPRINGS, KEILOR.
Lenore Frost's index for Christine Laskowski's STEELE CREEK AND THE LADY OF THE LAKE makes no mention of Samuel Fleming or any of his family, only James and John Fleming but page 132 (no Christian names) could be of interest.
When W.J.T.(Big) Clarke was in his last days and his son was building Rupertswood, he was asked about his son's spending and replied that as long as the son had as much fun spending the money as he, himself, had enjoyed making it, he'd be happy.
The following tale won't be found in Sir William's biography. It illustrates that he was a benefactor in ways other than the well-publicised ones, even to lowly former servants.
The Creswiok Advertiser tells the following
pleasant little story : — "Mr W. J. Clarke, who
is sowing liberality broadcast; is not unmindful
of his father's old servants, as the following
There lives on Creswick an old man
named William Pemberton, and his wife, who
left Dowling Forest (after living with 'Big
Clarke' as stockrider for fourteen years) at the
outbreak of the diggings, and here they have
been ever since (about twenty-four years) with
variable success. Latterly, however, things
have not prospered so well as they might wish,
the. shallow ground being mostly worked out,
and the deep sinking too hard work for the old
man, so he thought he would go and see the son
of his old employer, which he did on the occa-
sion of the recent dinner to the tenants at
After Pemberton had spoken
a few words to Mr. Clarke, the latter said, 'Why
I know your voice ; oh, yes, I recollect you.
How are you getting on? ' On being told he
was in poor circumstances, Mr Clarke remarked;
'Well you must have been a good servant, or
my father would not have kept you fourteen
years in his employ.' What shall I do for you ?
etc. (P.2, Mount Alexander Mail, 19-5-1876.)
This discovery reminds me of three connections between the golden triangle and Dromana.
Big Clarke's run at Dowling Forest was near Creswick and he bought Jamieson's Special Survey between Dromana and Mount Martha which remained in the family's ownership for nearly five decades. Many Mornington Peninsula pioneers started as tenants on the Survey.
The article was found in a search for information about Thomas and James Henry Howarth of Castlemaine who owned 30 acres near Dromana.
American,Benjamin Franklin Eaton, who built the heritage-listed Eaton's Dam at Creswick, and was the father of Maude Australia Eaton who lived at Dromana for many decades before she died in 1956, from the late 1880's employed many former Survey tenants at his mine at the Tubbarubba Diggings near Dromana, where he is recalled by the name of Eaton's Cutting, until his death in 1894 at Dromana.
THE ORIGIN AND PURPOSE OF THIS JOURNAL.
By copying and pasting this link into your search bar, detailed historical detail about a tiny portion of Castlemaine near the old Gasworks site can be accessed.
I came across this heritage study in a google search for HOWARTH, CASTLEMAINE. It mentions my wife's late mother, Lorna Lillian Howarth, daughter of Owen Oswald Hughes and Florence Lillian, nee Smith. Lorna had married Jim Howarth and they had two daughters, Valerie and Roslyn. I married Val and Peter Warren, descendant of an early Harcourt orchardist,
married Ros. We all now live on the Mornington Peninsula.
Finding that the Howarth brothers, Thomas and James Henry had owned 30 acres south of Dromana by 1917 and until 1925, I had assumed that they were related to Val on her paternal side but maybe they weren't. I'd forgotten Lanky Howarth who was one of the leading basketballers when the game was started in Castlemaine circa 1965 by Geoff Bryce, with policeman, Jim Berry, and myself being among a small band of experienced players at the time. Two members of the Howarth family married Broad girls, who were probably in the family tree of David Broad, who, with Robbie Ross, was a member of my High School basketball team as well as a young star in the Maggies' senior football team.
Tragically Lanky, whose name I just remembered was Ken, and Jim Berry were both killed in car accidents after Val and I had moved to Melbourne. There was no known relationship between Val and Lanky but there may have been a connection back in the 1860's during the gold rush.
In an attempt to find whether Lanky and Val were somehow related or completely unrelated, I will be starting another journal called THE HOWARTH FAMILY OR FAMILIES OF CASTLEMAINE, CHEWTON,AND FARADAY/ SUTTON GRANGE, VIC., AUST.
My wife, Val, was the daughter of Jim Howarth and Lorna Lillian (nee Hughes). She was born in 1949 in New South Wales where Jim was stationed with the R.A.A,F. as a radio technician. They later returned to Castlemaine and lived at 19 Landseer St. until Jim's early death from a heart attack.
JIM'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number27327 Registration year1970
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesJames Frederick SexMale Father's nameHOWARTH Leslie James Mother's nameViolet Louise (Talbot) Place of birthCastlemaine Place of deathCastlemaine Age44
Val and her younger sister, Ros, attended the South School, not needing a packed lunch because their mother's parents, Owen and Florence Hughes, lived just over the road next to the gasworks. Jim Howarth, due to his technical expertise, worked for the S.E.C. and was responsible for bringing television to Castlemaine. After his death, Lorna worked at the Castlemaine Hospital and Mt. Alexander near the sunken oval. She moved in with her elderly parents to care for them and inherited their property after their deaths. She finally moved to the Peninsula to be near Val and Ros and died there.
Jim Howarth had two brothers, Lester (Joe) and Rex. Joe remained unmarried but Rex married Iris and built a house just north of his parents' homestead at Faraday. Like Jim, Rex had daughters who were involved in one of the most sensational incidents in Victorian history, the Faraday kidnapping.
$1m demand for teacher, six pupils
The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995) Saturday 7 October 1972 p 1 Article
... , Faraday; Robyn Elizabeth Howarth, 11, and her sisters Jillian Michelle, 8, and Denise Kaye, 5. Four other ... is wait and hope". Mr Rex Howarth, 40. said, "Only an animal would do this to six innocent little
Teacher 'not going back'
The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995) Thursday 2 November 1972 p 11 Article
... Harcourt School, five miles away. Mrs Iris Howarth, whose children, Robyn, 11,. Jillian, 8, and Denise, 5 ...
As Rex was 40 at the time, it is likely that any Castlemaine residents today (such as a North Castlemaine Cricket Club player) with the Howarth surname are not descendants of Val's paternal grandparents and therefore could be related to Lanky. They may also be related to Thomas and James Henry Howarth of Bowden Street, Castlemaine, whose ownership of 30 acres near Dromana (as detailed below)led to this post.
Jim, Joe and Rex Howarth and their sisters Lorraine, June and Ailsa were the children of the following marriage.
EventMarriage Event registration number9710 Registration year1922
Family nameTALBOT Given namesViolet Louisa SexUnknown Spouse's family nameHOWARTH Spouse's given namesLeslie Jas
None of their births has been entered in Victorian BDM (https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj)
Lorraine married Roy Portwine, a builder, who built a house and lived in it for a while before selling it and repeating the procedure over and over again, near the Harcourt Station, three at Wesley Hill, in Gingell St at Winters Flat etc. Roy and I once played golf at Maldon when he got a hole in one on a par 5. He'd hit a magnificent drive right up the middle of the fairway and despite a lengthy search for the ball we couldn't find it so we had to conclude it had dropped into the hole (an unauthorised one placed on the fairway by Mr Bunny!)
Roy and Lorraine had two daughters, Jenny and Linda. Jenny (matron of Honour at our wedding)had married Ray Turner and they lived in the Gisborne area (Kerry and Gisborne South) with Ray being a contractor who carried out slashing on roadsides. They had a son and two daughters,Paul, Michelle and Elisha. Paul was a very good footballer while the two girls were horse mad; Michelle is now in charge of the Police mounted division.
Linda Portwine married Graeme Bassett, Muckleford's wicketkeeper who had the courage to stop the firebrand deliveries of his brother, John, and George Skinner. They had (children-add)
June Howarth married Dave Hoare, a motor mechanic,and they had two daughters, Wendy and Annette. Dave died in his 50's and June's long widowhood ended in a dam on the old farm at Faraday.
Ailsa Howarth married Russell McLure whose family ran a big transport company.They lived in Bendigo.
Ray Talbot, brother of Val's paternal grandmother, Violet, lived up the hill from Camp Reserve. Cliff Talbot, who was Ray and Ivy's son, was a bank officer and married a Castlemaine girl named Barbara (add). They moved to Warren Crescent,East Keilor (Melway 15 E12)when the Pavilions Estate (to the north with streets named after cricketers)was just army land and the fire station nearby was one of only a few buildings. They had a son and a daughter.
Leslie James Howarth, Val's grandfather,who was born in 1901, died when she was only about three years old. As there was no registrar at Faraday, his birth was registered at still-busy Chewton, connected to Faraday by the Golden Point road, along which is the heritage-listed Chinese cemetery. Val had only vague memories of her grandfather but often visited the Faraday farm to visit her grandmother, Violet, who lived long enough to see our two oldest children, Sharon and Stephen.
EventBirth Event registration number2130 Registration year1901
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesLeslie Jas SexMale Father's nameJas Mother's nameEmily Louisa (Broad) Place of birthCHEWTON
EventDeath Event registration number22892 Registration year1952
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesLeslie James SexMale Father's nameHOWARTH James Mother's nameEmily Louisa (Broad) Place of birthFARADAY Place of deathCASTLEMAINE
EventDeath Event registration number28845 Registration year1975
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesViolet Louise SexFemale Father's nameTALBOT Charles Frederick Mother's nameMary Jane (Hansford) Place of birthCastlemaine Place of deathCastlemaine Age75
PARENTS OF LESLIE JAMES HOWARTH.
EventMarriage Event registration number3734 Registration year1899
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesJas SexUnknown Spouse's family nameBROAD Spouse's given namesEmily Louisa
Given that James died in 1905, he did well to father two children. Leslie James had a brother named Walter.
WALTER'S BIRTH AND MARRIAGE RECORDS.
EventBirth Event registration number24553 Registration year1903
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesWalt Jno SexMale Father's nameJas Mother's nameEmily (Broad) Place of birthCHEWTON
EventMarriage Event registration number12522 Registration year1926
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesWalter Jno SexUnknown Spouse's family nameJONES Spouse's given namesAmanda Ellen P
EventDeath Event registration number4866 Registration year1905
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesJas SexUnknown Father's nameHowarth Jas Mother's nameAlice (Pickup) Place of birth Place of deathChewton Age33
The death notice in 1905 provided no detail to link James who'd married Emily Louisa Broad to the James who'd died in 1905 but an IN MEMORIAM notice in 1907 did.His widow, Emily Louisa had obviously become Mrs S*.in the meantime. Her new surname was Salathiel. (P.S.An In Memoriam notice in 1906 was inserted by "his loving wife, E.L.Howarth". http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/199560322)
HOWARTH - In loving remembrance of James Howarth, beloved father of Leslie and Walter Howarth, who passed away at Faraday on the 18th May, 1905, aged 33 years.
Not gone from memory,
Not gone from love,
But gone to our Father's home above.
— Inserted by E.L.S.*
CASTLEMAINE. MAY, 18, 1907.(P.2, Mount Alexander Mail, 18-5-1907.)
* Re E.L.S.
EventMarriage Event registration number4838 Registration year1907
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesEmily Louisa SexUnknown Spouse's family nameSALATHIEL Spouse's given namesThos
Thomas Salathiel had been born in Faraday. Moses Salathiel* was also a member of the family.
EventDeath Event registration number20446 Registration year1955
Family nameSALATHIEL Given namesThomas SexMale Father's nameSALATHIEL William Mother's nameUnknown (Campbell) Place of birthFARADAY Place of deathCASTLEMAINE Age90
Our Sutton Grange correspondent writes:—
A highly-respected resident of this dis-
trict, James Howarth, junr., of Faraday,
passed away quietly on Thursday afternoon
from dropsy and pneumonia. The deceased
previously was in the prime of his life and
was engaged in farming pursuits. He leaves a
a widow and two little children to
mourn their loss. (P.5, Bendigo Advertiser, 20-5-1905.)
James Jnr. was buried at Harcourt.(P.2, Mount Alexander Mail, 22-5-1905.)
James Jnr. had a sister named Alice who in 1897 married John Henry Broad (WHOSE BEST MAN WAS JOHN HOWARTH.) As this best man was not referred to as a brother of the bride, the marriage notice has been placed below in the FOOD FOR THOUGHT section near the Bendigonian article, THE HOWARTH FAMILY. Alice did have a brother named John but that does not proved that he was the best man.
EventBirth Event registration number20777 Registration year1867
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesJohn Daniel SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameAlice (Pickup) Place of birthCHEWTON
There is much more information about John Daniel Howarth in FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
PARENTS OF JAMES HOWARTH JNR.
This would seem to be the death record of James Howarth who married Alice Pickup.
EventDeath Event registration number8664 Registration year1913
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesJas SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathCmaine Age77
James Howarth, late of Wesley Hill,Castlemaine, retired farmer, who died on August 15th,, left property valued
at £3627 to his children and relatives.(P.2, Mount Alexander Mail, 20-9-1913.)
There is no doubt that this is Alice, nee Pickup.
EventDeath Event registration number13222 Registration year1914
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesAlice SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathCmaine Age79
Alice's obituary. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/119627202
WILL of ALICE HOWARTH, late of Wesley Hill,Castlemaine, in the State of Victoria, widow, deceased, be granted to John Daniel Howarth and John Henry Broad, both of Sutton Grange, farmers,the executors appointed by the said will. Dated this 22nd day of December, one thousand nine hundred and fourteen.(P.4, Argus, 23-12-1914.)
Thanks to Elizabeth Janson for this information!
Is this a sister to Alice?
Henry Hindle of Lancashire, came c1856 with Maryann Pickup 1829 - 1871 #9579 aged 42, daughter of Alice and Nelson Pickup. FamilySearch does not identify Nelson as parent, may be a brother
Marriages Jun 1863 - James Howarth and Martha Pendlebury at Burnley Vol 8e page 242. The district Burnley spans the boundaries of the counties of Lancashire and West Riding of Yorkshire
James Howarth and Martha Pendlebury came from Lancashire with possibly 2 children, and lived at Williamstown
1. Mary Elizabeth Howarth c1863
2. Charles Howarth 1865,"5847
3. Amy Ross Howarth 1867,"5491
4. James Howarth 1870,"12598
5. John Howarth 1873,"21064
6. William Robert Howarth 1878,"26410 Mary Elizabeth Howarth 1860 - 1941 #8650 aged 81 daughter of Martha Pendlebury and James Howarth born in Lancashire, wed 1886 #486 to John Farmer c1862, 3 Children
James Howarth c1835 - 1913 #8664 aged 77, and Alice Pickup c1835 - 1914 #13222 aged 79, came c1865 and lived at Chewton, then Castlemaine. Both died with parents unknown.
6 Children 1. Phoebe Jane Howarth 1866 #1281 - 1867 #7887 lived 1 year
2. John Daniel Howarth 1867 #20777 wed 1897 #7041
3. James Howarth 1872 - 1905 #4866 aged 33
4. Alice Elizabeth Howarth 1873 #22687
5. Ada Jane Howarth 1876 #8122 - 1892 #13269 aged 16
6. Eva Flora Ann Howarth 1878 #14544
Each surviving child wed a son or daughter of Catherine Mably Kellow and John Broad
2. John Daniel Howarth 1867 #20777 - 1926 #13184 aged 59, wed 1897 #7041 to Mary Elizabeth Broad 1871 #22006 - 1909 #987 aged 37 died at Chewton
1. Ada Jane Howarth 1898 #25285 wed 1918 #1975 to John Wm Joseph Farrar
2. Alice Cath Howarth 1901 #25817
3. Mary Elizth Howarth 1903 #29052
4. Hilda Olive Howarth 1906 #30248
3. James Howarth 1872 - 1905 #4866 aged 33 wed 1899 #3734 to Emily Louisa Broad 1878 #5600 - 1934 #17926 aged 56.
1. Leslie James Howarth 1901 #2130 - 1952 #22892 aged 51
2. Walter John Howarth 1903 #24553 - 1956 #9627 aged 52
4. Alice Elizabeth Howarth 1873 #22687 - 1946 #16416 aged 72, wed 1897 #3685 to John Henry Broad 1865 - 1937 #14923 aged 71, 9 children
6. Eva Flora Ann Howarth 1878 #14544 - 1949 #18188 aged 70, wed 1902 #5072 to Richard Alfred Broad 1874 - 1929 #13617 aged 55, 8 children
Paternal ancestors of my wife, Valerie, and her sister, Roslyn, are:
FATHER, James Frederick Howarth who married Lorna Lillian Hughes;
GRANDFATHER,Leslie James Howarth who married Violet Tudor;
GREAT GRANDFATHER,James Howarth Jnr. who married Emily Louisa Broad;
GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER, James Howarth Snr. who married Alice Pickup.
FOOD FOR THOUGHT!
HOWARTH OF DROMANA AND CASTLEMAINE.
1919-20 rates, Central Riding, assessment number 2421.
Thomas and James Henry Howarth, Bowden St., Castlemaine, 30 acres, part c/a 8 Kangerong.
Mr. R. Steele, of St. Kilda, has purchased 30 acres of land, lately owned by Howarth Bros., of Castlemaine, and intends building in the autumn.
(P.1, Frankston and Somerville Standard, 21-1-1925.)
Crown allotment 8 (section 3) Kangerong, consisting of 116 acres 2 roods and 35 perches, was granted to George McLear. It was bounded on the west by a road reserve continuing today's Collins Rd from Boundary Rd to Arthurs Seat Rd and a now-closed road which is now the eastern boundary of that part of Arthurs Seat State Park in Melway 160 C-D 11-12.
By 1919 this had become two farms, the Howarth brothers' 30 acres and George Higgens' 75 acres and buildings.
In 1917, the Howarth brothers had recently moved from Brady St., Richmond to Bowden St., Castlemaine.(Ass. No. 1651.)
POSSIBLE EXPLANATION OF WHY NO BIRTH NOTICE FOR THE HOWARTH BROTHERS OF DROMANA AND CASTLEMAINE HAS BEEN FOUND ON VICTORIAN BDM.
No John Howarth has so far* been encountered in relation to the Howarth family of Faraday and it is significant that the present day North Castlemaine cricketer has the given name of JOHN.
(*He has now. John Howarth was John Henry Broad's best man when he married Alice, daughter of James Howarth Snr.and Alice, nee Pickup, of Faraday. As the best man was not described as the brother of the bride, he could have been a member of the Howarth family immediately below, so the marriage report will be placed under this Bendigonian article in the FOOD FOR THOUGHT section. Were the Bendigo (ex-Sydney) and Faraday families related? Was the best man a brother of Alice?
Alice did have a brother named John but that does not proved that he was the best man.
EventBirth Event registration number20777 Registration year1867
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesJohn Daniel SexUnknown Father's nameJames Mother's nameAlice (Pickup) Place of birthCHEWTON
THE HOWARTH FAMILY.
Mr. John Howarth, head of the now well
known Howarth family, which has such a
splendid record in the doings of the pre-
sent war, was born a soldier in the Vic-
toria Barracks, Sydney, his father being
one of the llth Regiment (now known as
the Devons), who were stationed there at
the time. He worked himself up in the
militia forces until he became quarter-mas-
ter-sergeant. When the Boer war broke
out he was one of the first Australians to
volunteer, and served in South Africa for
14 months. Three of his sons followed him
to the South African war, and at the close
returned to Australia. At the outbreak of
the present war, when the Expeditionary
Forces were called for, Quartermaster-Ser-
geant Howarth, who is now an officer of the
Commonwealth Electoral department, again
offered his services, but being over the age,
had to stand aside. His four sons; however,
all married men with families, went to
Egypt with various contingents, and all
took part in the landing at the Dardanelles,
the eldest, Sergeant J. S. Howarth, being
killed in action by machine gun fire. The
second son, Trooper Horace Howarth, was
one of the Light Horse that fought as foot
soldiers at Gallipoli. After being in the
trenches for nine weeks, he had the mis-
fortune to lose his left arm and the sight
of his left eye; which occurred as follows:-
One day in the trenches a Turkish shell (an
18-pounder) fell near him and his mates
without exploding. He rushed forward to
cast it away out of danger, but just as he
was in the act of picking it up it burst,
shattering his left arm. He was taken to
Malta, where the arm had to be amputat-
ed just below the elbow. A bullet also.en-
tered his head and lodged behind the left
eye, where it remained for five weeks, un-
til the eye had to be removed, and the
bullet extracted. Trooper Howarth now
wears the extracted bullet on his watch
chain. He went to Sydney on his return
to have an artificial arm fitted. The third
son, Private Harold Howarth, was wound-
ed in the right hand by a bomb at the
Lone Pine action, and has returned home.
'The fourth son, Private Cyril Howarth, who
also took part in the memorable landing,
has been invalided home through a bad at-
tack of fever. He having recuperated at
Castlemaine, is about to return to the front
Mrs. James Scott, of Castlemaine, is a
sister of the Howarth brothers, and her
son, James, 18 years old, who was employ-
ed in the engineering department at Thomp-
son's foundry, is now on his way to the
front. Mrs. Scott has also five nephews in
the firing line, while the deceased Sergeant
J. S. Howarth's eldest son is now with the
Australian fleet in the North Sea. The
above is a first-class record for one family.(P.25, Bendigonian, 31-8-1916.)
JOHN HENRY BROAD'S BEST MAN, JOHN HOWARTH.
On Wednesday last, at the residence of Mr
Howarth, Faraday, a wedding was celebrated
by the Rev Mr M'Cay between Miss Alice
Howarth and Mr John Henry Broad, son of
the late Mr John Broad, of Sutton Grange.
Miss E. Howarth and Miss M. Broad were the
bridesmaids ; Mr John Howarth was best man.
The bride was dressed in cream liberty silk,
trimmed with chiffon, and the bride-maids in
cream, trimmed with chiffon. The bride was
given away by her father, who is an old resident
of Faraday. About 50 persons sat down to the
wedding breakfast, and in the evening about 30
couples were present to celebrate the nuptials.
The bridegroom's present to the bride was a
handsome gold brooch set with opals, and to
each bridesmaid a gold brooch set with amethyst.
The bride received a large number of handsome
presents. (P.2, Mount Alexander Mail, 26-4-1897.)
DID JAMES HOWARTH SENIOR, OF FARADAY/ SUTTON GRANGE, MARRY TWICE, TO ALICE PICKUP AND THEN MARY ELIZABETH BROAD?
WOMAN SUCCUMBS TO INJURIES.
Mrs Howarth, who was accidentally shot last Friday with a pea rifle by her husband,James (sic, see below) Howarth, dairyman, of Sutton Grange, died this afternoon from her injuries. Up to Wednesday the doctors had hopes of her recovery, but on Wednesday night she had a relapse and succumbed on Thursday. An inquiry will be held. Deceased, who was 37 years of age, leaves four young daughters.(P.5, The Age, 15-1-1909.)
EventDeath Event registration number987 Registration year1909
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesMary Elizth SexUnknown Father's nameBroad Jno Mother's nameCath (Kellow) Place of birth Place of deathChewton Age37
It would seem that there were two different men named James Howarth, one at Faraday and another at Sutton Grange. The following death record is probably* that of Alice, nee Pickup, wife of James Howarth Snr. of Faraday.
EventDeath Event registration number13222 Registration year1914
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesAlice SexUnknown Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathCmaine Age79
*Change that to certainly. Her executors were the bridegroom and best man in the 1897 wedding!
WILL of ALICE HOWARTH, late of Wesley Hill,Castlemaine, in the State of Victoria, widow, deceased, be granted to John Daniel Howarth and John Henry Broad, both of Sutton Grange, farmers,the executors appointed by the said will. Dated this 22nd day of December, one thousand nine hundred and fourteen.(P.4, Argus, 23-12-1914.)
AHA, THE MYSTERY IS SOLVED. THE FARMER WHO SHOT HIS WIFE INSTEAD OF THE BIRDS WAS JOHN DANIEL HOWARTH, NOT HIS FATHER, JAMES HOWARTH SENIOR. John had married Mary Elizabeth Broad in 1897, the same year that his sister, Alice had married John Henry Broad.
EventMarriage Event registration number7041 Registration year1897
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesJno Danl SexUnknown Spouse's family nameBROAD Spouse's given namesMary Elizth
John Daniel Howarth's obituary and death notice.
Mr. John D. Howarth, aged 59 years, a retired
grazier from the Sutton Grange district, died on
Wednesday evening. He was a native of Sutton
Grange, and took up his residence in Castlemaine
about five years ago.(P.21, Argus, 13-11-1926.)
HOWARTH.-On the 11th November, 1926, at his
residence, Clifton, Tenfoot Hill, Castlemaine,
John Daniel, beloved husband of the late Mary
Elizabeth, loved father of Ada (Mrs. J. Farrar),
Alice Mary (Mrs. T. Farrar), and Hilda, aged
59 years.(P.1, Argus, 12-11-1926.)
HOPEFULLY, DESCENDANTS OF JOHN HOWARTH, BORN IN SYDNEY, AND LATER OF BENDIGO, WILL PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS FAMILY. WERE JAMES HENRY AND THOMAS HOWARTH OF DROMANA AND CASTLEMAINE AND LANKY (KEN HOWARTH) MEMBERS OF THAT FAMILY?
This would seem to be the death record of James Henry Howarth who owned 30 acres near Dromana with a brother named Thomas by 1917 and until 1925, and with him lived in Richmond until 1917 when they moved to Bowden St., Castlemaine.
EventDeath Event registration number23106 Registration year1951
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesJames Henry SexMale Father's nameHOWARTH Robert Mother's nameAnn (Longworth) Place of birthLANCASHIRE ENGLAND Place of deathCASTLEMAINE Age82
And given that Thomas was his brother, this is probably his death record.
EventDeath Event registration number16443 Registration year1947
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesThomas SexMale Father's nameHOWARTH Robert Mother's nameUnknown (Longworth) Place of birthBOLTON ENGLAND Place of deathCASTLEMAINE Age73
Bolton is in Lancashire.
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Thomas served in W.W.1.
AUSTRALIAN IMPERIAL FORCES. Official Casualty Lists. BENDIGO AND NORTHERN DISTRICT MEN. KILLED IN ACTION.
Bendigonian (Bendigo, Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Thursday 21 November 1918 p 4 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides
... .M., Diggora. INJURED. Pte. T. HOWARTH, Castlemaine.
Regimental number 3297
Place of birth Bolton England
Religion Church of England
Address 16 Bennett Street, North Richmond, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 42
Next of kin Brother, James Henry Howarth, Bowden Street, Castlemaine, Victoria
Enlistment date 12 May 1917
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name 3rd Pioneer Battalion, Reinforcement 7
AWM Embarkation Roll number 14/15/3
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A32 Themistocles on 4 August 1917
Rank from Nominal Roll Private
Unit from Nominal Roll 3rd Pioneer Battalion
Fate Returned to Australia 6 September 1919
Given that his father's name was Robert, but his brother's second given name was Henry, Henry Howarth, a miner at Castlemaine in 1868 might have been an uncle.
Leader (Melbourne, Vic. : 1862 - 1918) Saturday 25 April 1868 p 7 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides
... ; assets, V^ £5; deficiency, £21. ../..,;?.; , Ps Henry Howarth, Castlemaine, Miner. [L-Liabilities, £45 5s
KEN (LANKY) HOWARTH.
Based on what I've been told, and Lanky's age when we started basketball in the Maine,this could be his death record.He may have died at the Royal Melbourne Hospital.
EventDeath Event registration number26166 Registration year1969
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesKenneth Graham SexMale Father's nameHOWARTH Stanley Mother's nameElsie May (Jackson) Place of birthUnknown Place of deathParkville.
Marriage records unfortunately don't indicate where the marriage took place and there was no wedding notice in 1933.
EventMarriage Event registration number11862 Registration year1933
Family nameHOWARTH Given namesStanley SexUnknown Spouse's family nameJACKSON Spouse's given namesElsie May
This Ken Howarth's maternal grandmother had lived in Castlemaine!
JACKSON. — On September 26, at her daughter's home, Meaney-street, Elsternwick, Emily, dearly beloved wife of
the late James Brighton Jackson (late of Castlemaine), and loving mother of James,Percy, Lillian (Mrs. Gymer), Edward, Walter, Leslie, Edith (Mrs. Williamson),Elsie (Mrs. Howarth) and Alfred, aged 73 years. Mother and father reunited.(P.8, The Age, 27-9-1945.)
VICTOR JAMES SCOTT.
Extract from THE HOWARTH FAMILY. The Howarth sons mentioned in the article seem to have enlisted in New South Wales but their sister, Mrs James Scott, was living in Castlemaine. The age and employment details in the extract and service record indicate that her son wasn't keen about his first given name.
Mrs. James Scott, of Castlemaine, is a sister of the Howarth brothers, and her son, James, 18 years old, who was employed in the engineering department at Thompson's foundry, is now on his way to the front. (P.25, Bendigonian, 31-8-1916.)
Victor James SCOTT
Regimental number 14321
Place of birth Castlemaine Victoria
Occupation Engineer's apprentice
Address McGrath Street, Wesley Hill, Castlemaine, Victoria
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 18
Next of kin Father, J Scott, McGrath Street, Wesley Hill, Castlemaine, Victoria
Previous military service 66th Infantry
Enlistment date 14 July 1915
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 17 July 1915
Rank on enlistment Private
Unit name May 1916 Reinforcements
AWM Embarkation Roll number 26/99/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A33 Ayrshire on 3 July 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Lance Corporal
Unit from Nominal Roll 12th Field Ambulance
Fate Returned to Australia 10 June 1919
'For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty in carrying wounded under heavy machine gun and shell fire for the period 12th September 1918 to 14th September 1918 South of LE VERGUIER and East of PERONNE. He was attached to RAP 50th A.I. Battalion which was situated in a Railway Cutting. For the first 6 hours casualties were heavy, and the enemy were able to enfilade the Railway Cutting from the Right Flank and heavily shell the cutting and valley approaching it, getting many direct hits in the vicinity of the RAP. He with others repeatedly carried cases under the heaviest fire, for a distance of 2000 yards. On the night of 13th September 1918 the enemy drove in our Out-posts and it appeared likely that he would capture the RAP, which was distant only about 500 yards from the front line. All bearers were ordered by C.O. 50th Battalion to report back to the next Ambulance Post at once. Private Scott with three others voluntarily remained to carry out a Stretcher case and further assisted a walking case. Later he returned with the remainder of his squad and carried out further cases. Having been ordered to go back, he would have been quite justified in going at once, but instead showed a fine spirit of self sacrifice in remaining.'
Source: 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 115
Date: 10 October 1919
Unfortunately there is no record on Victorian BDM of the birth of anyone who could be Victor James Scott between 1897 and 1900. Thinking he might have falsified his age when enlisting, I tried 1901 and may have found the name of Victor's mother in the birth record of another child.
EventBirth Event registration number23114 Registration year1901
Family nameSCOTT Given namesRobt Jno SexMale Father's nameJas Mother's nameFlor Mary (Howarth) Place of birthVAUGHAN
DEATH RECORD OF VICTOR'S MOTHER.
EventDeath Event registration number980 Registration year1920
Family nameSCOTT Given namesFlor Mary SexUnknown Father's nameHowarth Jno Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathCmaine Age45
No birth of a Florence or Flor Mary Howarth in Victoria in the 1870's was found. Perhaps she was born in N.S.W.