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SMITH.— On the 18th May, at private hospital, Somerville, Annie Catherine, dearly loved wife of the late Carl C. Juby Smith loving mother of Fred (deceased), Edgar (deceased), Charles (deceased), Caroline (Mrs. George Clarke, Red Hill), Frances (Mrs. Geo. Gibson, Red Hill), aged 76 years. (P.1,Argus, 20-5-1930.)
In 1919,Carl Jaby Smith of Red Hill was assessed on 105 acres and buildings, 15 B, Kangerong,as he had been in 1910 when he was described as an orchardist. This property was south of the Kangerong Nature Conservation Reserve, extending south to the bend in Red Hill Rd near number 227 where it adjoined the Huntleys' Hillside Orchard. The Gibsons were over Red Hill Rd on crown allotment 78A, Balnarring.
CARL'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number1762 Registration year1929
Family nameSMITH Given namesCarl Christian Juby SexUnknown Father's nameSmith Mother's nameCaroline (Juby) Place of birth Place of deathHoth E Age73
Who's Doug Bachli?
Sport Australia Hall of Fame - Athlete Members
Bachli MBE, Mr Douglas, Golf, 1987. Baker, Mr Reginald 'Snowy', Boxing, Rugby Union, Diving, Swimming, Polo, 1985. Bannerman, Mr Charles, Cricket, 1986.
A EUREKA MOMENT! BUT WHERE DO I POST IT?
The rough location of the Patron Park Stud was discovered during my research for the HERITAGE WALK, ROSEBUD journal. As the stud was actually in Dromana but my HERITAGE WALK,DROMANA journal deals with sites on or near the Esplanade, I thought a new journal was the best idea.
The Rosebud journal gives much information about the Bachli family under the ROSEBUD HOTEL entry. Both Rosebud and Dromana had their share of famous people and we Rosebud residents are willing to share Doug with Dromana.
The Bachli family seems to have been involved in the hospitality industry for some time before Doug's father, John Phillip (Phil)took on Rosebud's long- awaited hotel in 1941. Frank (probably Doug's great uncle) ran a hotel at Ararat pre 1916, Doug's father had a hotel at Shepparton before moving to Canberra in the mid 1930's,probably to look after his father, William, and run Brassey House for him. After leaving Rosebud,Doug, three years after his marriage to Dorothy and living in Surrey Hills, took on a hotel in Melbourne in 1956.
Phil and Doug were passionate about the Sport of Kings but I have found no evidence of their involvement in this pursuit before their arrival in Rosebud. Their horses certainly competed after this time at Canberra and no doubt the opportunity was taken to meet old friends still living there.
While the Patron Park Stud was being established, Doug was probably running the hotel and helping Phil to erect stables, fencing etc. on the 48 acre stud whenever he could so the footy ground across the road from the Rosebud Hotel was probably instrumental in honing the skills that won him the 1954 British Amateur Championship. Along with this and his service in W.W.2 (see comment under the ROSEBUD journal), Doug spent precious little time on golf courses in the first half of the 1940's.
Trove searches for the location of the stud involved many fruitless hours and the following was discovered in a google search for PATRON PARK STUD,DROMANA. Of course Harbison Rd had to be Harrisons Rd. The stud was probably being sold by the Doody family which had bought it from Doug; they had another stud at Diggers Rest.
"patron Park" .Harbison .Road Dromana Stud .Farm, Freehold.
PAGE 14, THE AGE, JUNE 10, 1964.
AUCTION - DROMANA
THURSDAY, JUNE 18,at 2:30 p.m., on the Property
Firstly to be offered in one lot of approx.48 acres but if not sold to be offered in two lots.
COMPRISING: (1)36 acres 3 roods 33 perches approx.; (2) 12 acres approx.
LOT 1 (a) Delightful 6 roomed weatherboard dwelling with 3 roomed S.C. flat. Together with all floor coverings,light fittings, and shades, blinds and drapes.
(b) Complete stud farm consisting of 10 divided agistment paddocks,loose boxes,State Rivers water connected to each paddock,Saddling yards, stables, feed sheds &c.
LOT 2 is a vacant lot of land divided into approx.four paddocks with State Rivers water connected to each paddock.
Terms 10%deposit,balance 60 days.
For inspection and prior offers,please contact:
SAVOY-ALWARD PTY. LTD. 505 ST.KILDA ROAD
Phone 24 6681 or 28 Chester St,Oakleigh. 569 0661.
The actual location of the 48 acres is yet to be pinpointed. A possible Doody descendant at Sunbury or Doug's son,Paul, might be able to help me. What is of interest is that no training track was mentioned. My guess is that the stud was close to Melway 160 H-J 7-8 where 117 acres,DROMANA RACECOURSE was gazetted in 1872.
WITH THANKS TO THE GOLF SOCIETY OF AUSTRALIA*, MARK BACHLI, PAUL BACHLI AND FRANK HILLI.
*pdf 525kB - Golf Society of Australia
Mar 10, 2000 - Vale - Douglas William Bachli - (1922 - 2000). The Golf Society of Australia lost ... of his son Paul, “I have lost my hero” - we have all lost a hero.
There was only one Bachli in White Pages for the whole of Melbourne. He was Doug's son but he had never seen Patron Park Stud. However,he gave me the mobile number of Doug's youngest son,Paul. I rang Paul but there was no answer and I left a message. Paul rang back first thing this morning. He knew where it was and spoke of black gates and the new name of Palimino Stud. He said the stud was near the Tech.School. As I drove north past the school, there was no sign of black gates. When I reached the north end of the recreation reserve with the subdivision of the Moat family's grants on my left,I knew it was time to turn around. That was when I saw the sign: PALiMINO STUD. It was 59 Harrisons Rd. Then I saw a Californian Bungalow with a four wheel drive in front of it but no driveway. This had to be the delightful weatherboard house of 1964 but I had to drive past it to the black gates with Palimino Stud wrought upon them.
As I walked up the driveway two pairs of eyes watched me warily. I introduced myself and explained my purpose to the older pair of eyes which filled with enthusiasm. Their owner showed me the stables (feed room,tack room,stalls with sliding doors which still slide beautifully and the concrete pad outside the feed room on which stood a silo which fed the feedboxes. Then he escorted me through the self contained three roomed flat attached to the north east corner of the house,and told me that the foundations of the six roomed weatherboard house had been compressed when somebody had substituted heavy terra cotta tiles for corrugated iron. The house, flat and stabling were all on five acres with grapevines on a paddock behind them. There is a lane on the north side of the house along which feed could probably be carried to each of the specified 10 agistment paddocks but Patron Park probably also extended to the south as well as east.
As we walked toward the black gates, I asked the owner his name and how to spell the surname. It was Frank Hilli* and I knew immediately why he hadn't been to the BACK TO RED HILL reunion on March 22, 2015. He mentioned the old passion fruit factory in Harrisons Rd and I told him about Barry Wright's photo of it in my MEMORIES OF RED HILL,POST 1940 journal. He told me it was now the Whispering Vines Cafe,done up beautifully with brick cladding and it certainly does look great,up the long drive from the impressive brick entrance (TOLLEO ESTATE?)
*There was a four day Hilli/ Cleine reunion on the same weekend that I only found out about after the hall had been booked and the date of the BACK TO RED HILL was publicised.
This bloke was a genius!
Dead or Alive
Standard (Frankston, Vic. : 1939 - 1949) Thursday 5 December 1946 p 12 Article.
Alex. Haldan's name appears just once,on page 132, in Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, as one of the signatories in 1861 supporting Robert Quinan's bid for his private school to be chosen ahead of Daniel Nicholson's to become the Dromana Common School.
Silly me! I thought that Alex was the husband of Frances Holden whose store was near the Carrigg St corner. However, later investigation showed that the husband of Frances (who almost reached her 102nd birthday) was James Holden,a completely different person.
The death of Mrs Frances Holden,probably the Peninsula's only centenarian, occurred at her residence at Dromana on Monday. Had she lived until October, Mrs Holden would have reached the age of 102 years. With her husband, she settled in Dromana 82 years ago and had lived there ever since. She came from Sussex, England, when a young
girl. In her younger days she took an active part in movements for the advancement of the district. A good
horsewoman, she used to join parties that went out hunting kangaroos. Burial took place in the Dromana
cemetery where the remains were interred beside those of her husband who died about 60 years ago. The burial service was read by the Rev.A.F. Falconer. Mr Hector Gamble, of Frankston had charge of the
funeral arrangements. (P.1, Frankston and Somerville Standard, 25-8-1934.)
RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project: Fiona Harris Ancestors
HALDAN, Alexander b: CA 1818 in Ayr, Scotland d: 14 NOV 1876 in Dromana, Victoria
Sourced from above website.
HALDAN.-On the 14th inst., at his residence, Dromana, Alexander Haldan, late of Ayrshire, Scotland, aged 58.
Alexander Haldan was born into the Haldan family. He married Henderson Margaret (Balman?) Haldan and had (1???) child together: Andrew Haldan.
(Alexander Haldan - Dromana - AncientFaces.com
www.ancientfaces.com › History › Haldan Family)
POSTSCRIPT. NO WONDER I HADN'T FOUND A MARRIAGE NOTICE. TRYING TO FIND WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO MARGARET'S SUPPOSED PARENTS,I TRIED "HENDERSON,DROMANA". Still no evidence re Margaret's parents. At least we can see where the given name of Andrew (born 1869) came from. Another postscript follows the HENDERSON information below.
HALLADAN(sic)—HENDERSON.—On the 13th inst., by the Rev. I. Hetherington, at the residence of Captain Ruffle, Williamstown, uncle of the bride, Alexander Halladan (sic), Dromana , third son of the Rev. Andrew
Halladan, Ayrshire, Scotland, to Margaret Balmonne Henderson. No cards.(P.4, Argus,15-1-1863.)
HALDAN.—On the 29th ult., at Dromana, the wife of Alexander Haldan of a daughter.(P.4,Argus,1-4-1864.)
David Moffett On Birth Certificate - Historical records and ...
David married Margaret (Balmanne?) WILSON (born HALDAN) on month day 1886, at age 26 at ... Margaret was born on March 29 1864, in Dromana, Melbourne.(Not much more on page.)
WILSON-HALDAN.-On the 16th ult., at the residence of the bride's mother, Belmont-house, Drummond- street, Carlton, by the Rev. John Strang, David Moffat, second son of Thomas Wilson (of Wilson, Corben, and Co.) to Maggie Barbara, eldest daughter of the late Alexander Haldan, of Dromana, and niece of the late Drs. John Campbell and Bernard Haldan, Ayr, Scotland.(P.1, Argus,13-4-1886.)
[HALDAN.-- On the 18th February, at 770 Drummond street, Carlton, Margaret Balmanno,widow of the late Alexander Haldan (formerly of Ayr), aged 65 years. Scotch papers please copy. (P.1,Argus, 23-2-1903.)
Jane Jessie Haldan,Dromana, Australia,In 1866 Father-Alexander Haldan Mother-Henderson Margaret (Balman?) Haldan
(Jane Haldan Birth Records
Name/Birth place/Date/ Father/Mother
Andrew Haldan,Dromana Australia in 1869, Alexander Haldan, Henderson Margaret (Balman?) Haldan
(Andrew Haldan Birth Records
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 27 May 1869 p 4 Family Notices
... ; daughter. HALDAN.—On the 22nd inst, at Dromana, the wife of Alexander Haldan of a son.
THE ELECTORAL REGISTRARS OF VICTORIA. [coming soon]
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Wednesday 28 August 1867 p 7 Article
... - Tucker; Dandenong East, W. Brisbane, Borwick ; Kangoronsr. A. Haldan, postmastor, Dromana ; Snapper Point ...
The Postmaster-General was waited upon on Friday by Mrs.(Alex.)Haldan, accompanied by Mr. Fergusson, M.L.A., the object being to draw his attention to the inconvenience caused to the residents of Dromana by the removal of the post and telegraph office from that place to some distance outside Dromana. Mrs. Haldan represented that her husband had held the office of postmaster in Dromana for many years till the office was removed,and if it were now re-transferred to Dromana she was willing to supply a building for the purpose free of cost to the department. Mr. Cuthbert replied that if it was the wish of the residents generally that the office should be re-transferred,he would take the matter into consideration.
Mr.Gibson, the lessor of the post-office building, afterwards waited upon the Postmaster-General, and represented that he was one of the guarantors to the department in regard to the post-office at Dromana, and he desired that they might not be called upon to pay the deficiency of L.105 in the revenue. In support of his request he quoted several precedents, and Mr. Cuthbert promised to take the matter into consideration. Telegraph.
(South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 5 June 1878 p 2 Article)
FROM CORRECTIONS TO TROVE DIGITISATION.
ROBERT CALDWELL, Esq., J.P. - Sir.- His Excellency the Governor having proclaimed by notice in the Government Gazette the Road District of Kangerong, we, the undersigned landholders and householders, have to request you to convene a meeting of the landholders and householders of the above district to form a Road Board, in
conformity with the 10th Vict., No. 40.
We are, Sir, (only corrected names here)
Alexander Haldan, do.
Peter Pedato, do. , (Pidoto)
Thomas Milne, do.
Richard Watkin, householder.
Thomas Ginley, do.
Abraham Griffith, do.
15th July, 1863.
In conformity with the above requisition, I hereby.....HOUSEHOLDERS, to be held at the Scurfleld Hotel,
Dromana, on 3rd August, at 2 p.m., for the purpose of (etc.)
In LIME LAND LEISURE,C.N.Hollished stated that Alex. was a landholder,which came from the notice to Robert Caldwell. This might give the impression that he had a farm but he probably owned three township blocks,about an acre and a half, on which he would have built the original Carnarvon,the original post office. See my journal,HERITAGE WALK,DROMANA. He had built this by the 1865 assessment when he was rated on one acre and a six roomed house with outbuildings. In fact it would have been constructed before the 3-9-1864 assessment; either the rate collector forgot to assess him or my transcription was faulty. He was an electoral registrar for the general election.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Thursday 14 April 1864 p 6 Article
... . Tucker, Cranbourne ; Dandenong East, W. Brisbane, Berwick ; Kangerong, Alexr. Haldan, postmaster, Dromana
By 1866,he had become a trustee for the Mechanics' Institute
Charles Barnett, Daniel Nicholson, James M'Lean, Alexander Haldan and Robert Caldwell to be trustees of the land set apart on tho 8th of August, 1864, for Mechanics' Institute purposes at Dromana.
JUST A GUESS ABOUT MARGARET HALDAN'S FAMILY. (From my journal,THE SHIRE OF FLINDERS.)
HENDERSON George M. 1875-9
Excerpt from John Cain's memories (included at the start of this journal.)
The Flinders and Kangerong Road Boards amalgamated and constituted the shire of Flinders and Kangerong. In the following August in '75 all the members were disbanded; four candidates were nominated for three in the west riding and he (John Cain) was successful and has never been opposed since. His colleagues were Messrs W. B. Ford and Robert Anderson, the latter held the seat till three years ago (John Barker jun, S. Tuck, and Geo. Henderson centre riding), (David Mairs, Caldwell and Robert Wighton east riding).
FLINDERS AND KANGERONG SHIRE Present:the President (John Barker junr.) Councillors McLear, Cain Anderson, Ford and Henderson. As had been anticipated considerable discussion ensued on the resumption of the question touching the action of councillor Henderson in interfering with the drains whereby his and the adjoining lands were completely submerged. A letter was read from Mr. Peddle, complaining of the damage done to his property through the water being diverted from its proper channel, and the outlet stopped up. Pointing out that the fact of Mr. Henderson being a Councillor rendered him more culpable in violating the law and, that if the Council did not take cognizance of his having done so it could not consistently prosecute for similar offences in future. Mr. Watkin also stated that he had and was still sustaining great injury from the same cause. The President thought that a reprimand would meet the case. Councillor, Anderson however. thought that Mr Henderson being a Councillor his infringement of the Act was more censurable; and, as great injury had been done to a great number of ratepayers, some stronger action should be taken in the matter. It was ultimately decided to reprimand Councillor Henderson, and a resolution to that effect was passed. The Secretary was in- structed to serve the notice requiring the re-opening of the drains in question.
(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 31-7-1878.)
Nelson Ruddick (sic, Rudduck) v. G. M. Henderson ; 10, for money paid at defendant's request. Mr F. Stephen for plaintiff ; Mr Walsh for defendant. This case arose out of a drain being cut through the land of both plaintiff and defendant as recommended by Mr Muntz, the Engineer to the Shire, and to which the respective owners were to contribute, Mr Henderson's share being the amount claimed and which the plaintiff proved Mr Henderson had entrusted the plaintiff to pay for him, but which the defendant afterwards repudiated, as not being correct. After a brief hearing, in which the parties to the suit were examined, his Honor gave a verdict for the amount claimed and 5 10s. costs.(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 16-2-1881.)
In order to make sense of the proximity of Henderson, Peddle, Watkins and Rudduck, the last three suffering from Henderson's drainage issues in the above two articles, some more rate research was needed. My first suspicion was that the incidents involved the Westernport area. However, the first shire rate record of 1875 showed that George Meldrum Henderson, butcher was assessed on 30 acres and a 3 roomed house in Dromana and 60 acres in Dromana . I suspect that the 60 acre property was crown allotment 12, section 1, Kangerong. Consisting of 60 acres 3 roods and 24 perches, this land, granted to Captain Ross,and bounded by Jetty Rd, Palmerston Ave, Mary St and Boundary Rd,became Spencer Jackson's Panoramic Estate. It is hilly and would have a tremendous run-off after heavy rain. It is across Palmerston Avenue from crown allotment 5 of section 1 of section 1. (More about crown allotment 5 later!)
There is no need to guess the location of the 30 acres, which being west of McCulloch St, actually was part of Dromana (Township); section 1 Kangerong was not and the post office was actually in the west corner of Foote St with much protest about it being moved closer to the pier later on.
These three suburban allotments in section E of the township were granted to G.M.Henderson on the dates shown below. C/A 5, 7 acres 3 roods 31 perches, granted 16-5-1876.
C/A 6, 8 acres 2 roods, granted 16-5-1876. The three roomed house was probably on one of these blocks.
C/A 7, 15 acres 2 roods 37 perches, granted 20-2-1883.
This gives a total of 31 acres and 28 perches but if the roods and perches were ignored, the total would be 30 acres. This land was bounded at the south end by Seawind Lane, Pindara Rd and McLear Rd (Melway 159 F12)and extended north to the present Arthurs Seat State Park.
By 1877, George was assessed on 114 acres Kangerong, a description used until 1884 when George was assessed on 137 acres Kangerong and 80 acres and buildings Wannaeue. The same property was assessed in 1885 but in 1886 George was only assessed on the 80 acres, this time described as being in Kangerong. I believe this land was in Wannaeue (across Pindara Rd from the 30 acres) but with such lack of certainty in the rate records, it would be a five week job to determine its location.
George Henderson was not the first or last to get rid of his flood by donating it to a neighbour. Back Road Bob Cairns did the same thing to Robert Henry Adams near the corner of Hove Rd and Bayview Rd (Hobson's Flat Rd)in about 1906, with William Hobley being wrongly blamed, Robert Anderson of Barragunda taking the side of Cairns and being ridiculed about his attempts to get back on council, and Robert Adams threatening Robert Cairns and his son with a shovel when they took a short cut. (Google "Hobson's Flat Road".)
As mentioned before, the future Panoramic Estate was across Palmerston Ave from Crown allotment 5, section 1, Kangerong. Consisting of 36 acres and 25 perches, it was granted to a speculator who obviously subdivided it. James Holden and John McLear had one acre blocks east and west of Carrigg St and Peter Pidota and Richard Watkins had 17 acres each. Watkins had built a 12 roomed house (yes, that's what the helpful rate collector called the Dromana Hotel!) by about 1862. Crown allotment 5 was bounded by the Esplanade (beach road), the Carrigg St/Kangerong Ave midline, Palmerston Ave and the Solander/Marna St midline. Lou Carrigg bought the Pidota 17 acre portion and the 34 acres became Spencer Jackson's Foreshore Estate in 1927.
Henry Pedder was a hotel keeper, so referring to the letter read to council, I had to assume he was running the Dromana Hotel for Watkins. But that's not what the rate records show. Newspaper articles refer to the Peddles at the Bay View and then the Royal Hotel at Hastings. Henry was assessed on 139 acres, Bittern in 1875 but by 1880, this had become 115 acres. Henry was granted 115 acres, being crown allotment 83A, Bittern on 24-3-1882. This had a 1268 metre frontage to Frankston-Flinders Rd and its queer eastern boundary can be seen faintly traced in Melway 164 H 2 and 3; the left half of Melway 164 H4 was part of 83A.
This was the most northerly part of the parish of Bittern east of Hendersons Rd and was in the Flinders and Kangerong Shire. Just across the Warringine Creek was Hastings (in the parish of Tyabb and Shire of Mornington of which Councillor Peddle was elected President in August 1879.)
Henry Peddle was only ever assessed in the east riding of the Shire of Flinders and Kangerong, never in the Centre Riding of which Dromana was a part. Therefore, I presume the letter read to council was written by Mr Pidota, a man much discussed in local histories but seemingly never in newspapers (perhaps because they never got his name right!) This would explain why Mr Watkin (sic) was also affected.
George Meldrum Henderson's last assessment was in 1886.
DROMANA. During the recent thunder storm a valuable cow belonging to Mr. Henderson,butcher of Dromana was killed by lightning. The animal was grazing in a small paddock on the side of Arthur's seat at the time the accident occurred. There is no doubt of death having been caused by the electric fluid ; the symptoms being unmistakeable.(P.3,South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 13-2-1878.)
Oh, Peter Pidota exists after all! The township boundary has just been mentioned in this entry.
A matter of considerable importance to a number of ratepayers of Flinders and Kangerong Shire came before the Council at the meeting on Saturday last. Mr. R. Watkins alleged that Councillor Henderson had made an opening from drain on public land so as to divert the water on to his own land thereby swamping his own land , submerging his neighbours' land, greatly to their detriment. Captain Pidoto also spoke of the serious damage done to his property by the action of Councillor Henderson. What action the Council mean to take is not yet known, but it would appear by the 400th section part 16 Local Government Act, that the Councillor's liable to make good the drain so diverted. and to a penalty not exceeding 20.... A petition was presented by Councillor McLear; praying that the boundary of the present township of Dromana might be so extended as to include the jetty and other places of business. The petition was signed by a number of owners of land in the township, and also by nearly all the owners of land sought to be incorporated. Notice of motion was given for the consideration of the matter at the next meeting of the Council.
(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 3-7-1878.)
THIS DAY Kirk's Bazaar
To Racing Men, Shippers for India, and Others
M'CULLOCH, CAMPBELL, and Co have received instructions from Mr Geo M Henderson, Dromana, to SELL by AUCTION, on Thursday, May 29, at twelve o'clock,The thoroughbred race mare Miss Jane by L L ,
by Touchstone out of Sunbeam, by The Hermit (imp ) She is half sister to the noted horse Flinders and Lady Somerville.(P. 2, Argus, 29-5-1879.)
Lady Somerville and Lord Somerville were owned by Alf Jones of the Almond Bush Stud at Somerville. He and Hodgins were two of the three Canadians who supplied wood to the "Liverpool" anchored well offshore in Canadian Bay.
Was this George's father?
HENDERSON -On the 1st inst., at Dromana, Victoria,
James Henderson formerly of Kirkcaldy, Scotland, aged 78 years. Home papers please copy.
(P.1, Argus, 20-1-1875.)
The death occurred here on Tuesday of Mrs Henderson, a very old lady. Deceased had been ailing for a very long time,and was 82 years of age. She leaves behind a grown-up family, one of her sons living at present near Rosebud. The funeral took place at the Dromana cemetery, Mr Welling, the local Presbyterian minister, con- ducting the burial service.((P.2, Mornington Standard, 21-1-1905.)
The son was probably Lawrence Henderson who had 105 acres, 31CD, Wannaeue in 1900.This was granted to Dromana pioneer, John Townsend, and bounded by Hove Rd, Rosebud Pde, Waterfall Gully Rd and Bayview/Old Cape Schanck Rd.
DEATH. HENDERSON. - On 17th inst., at Dromana, Juliana Elizabeth Henderson, in her 83rd year. Relict of the late James Henderson, C.E., Glasgow. (P.2, Bairnsdale Advertiser and Tambo and Omeo Chronicle, 19-1-1905.)
Finally, I wonder if George was related to William Henderson after whom Henderson Rd (southern extension of Somerville's Jones Rd and Tyabb's Boes Rd) was probably named, who later moved to Frankston-Cranborne Rd.
HENDERSON Reginald David 1961-4 ??????
POSTSCRIPT. I tried a google search for HENDERSON,DROMANA CEMETERY. Gemma would be a feminine version of James so I presume that Gemma Wiseman would be descended from blacksmith,James Wiseman, one of Red Hill's earliest pioneers. Gemma's website has a photo of William Henderson's gravestone and she has written the following comment.
Challenge of Dromana Cemetery - Gemma's ~~~ "Greyscale ...
May 1, 2012 - Dromana Cemetery is not far from my home on the Mornington ... Was James Henderson's brother the only connection with Dromana? Strange ..
So I console myself with a few zoomed views of nearby graves.
This crumbling grave is right at the entrance gate of the cemetery.
(INSCRIPTION. William Henderson M.I.C.E., born at Glasgow,Scotland,24-1-1854. Entered into rest Wannaeue Victoria 11-12-1898.)
William Henderson was a civil engineer from Glasgow, specialising in designing waterworks.
It was in that capacity he emigrated and became well known in Victoria for his skills.
Excerpt from ICE (Institution of Civil Engineers)
Mr. Henderson’s connection with the Colony of Victoria commenced in the year 1886, when he was engaged in making
reports and estimates for irrigation projects under the instructions
of the Royal Commission on Water-Supply. He was then
appointed executive engineer to the Victorian Water-Supply
Department, in which capacity he designed and superintended the
construction of national irrigation works in the district of
Goulburn. He was also engaged in preparing a report and
estimates for a supply of water for domestic and stock purposes
over about 17,000 square miles in the Mallee District. He retired
from the service of the Victorian Water-Supply Department in
1895, and started to practise on his own account as a hydraulic
Shortly afterwards, he was struck down with paralysis and died at the age of 44 in his brother's home near Dromana.
What I wonder is, where was his private practice? Dromana?
The Mallee district, where James mainly worked, is in the far north of Victoria.
Dromana is in the far south.
Was James Henderson's brother the only connection with Dromana?
Strange to find such a large memorial to a public figure who may not have lived in the area.
NOTE #1: The M.I.C.E. on the grave = Member of the Institute of Civil Engineers
HENDERSON. — On the 11th December, at his brother's residence, Bracken-lodge, Wannaeue,near Dromana, William Henderson, C.E., late of V.W.S. department, eldest son of the late James Henderson, C.E., Glasgow, aged 44 years.(P.22,The Australasian,24-12-1898.)
I was staggered when I could find no mention of Peter Pidota of Dromana on trove. He was obviously part of the area's folklore. Not only was he discussed in some detail in Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, but also in Isabel Moresby's ROSEBUD FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA; Isabel only knew OF Peter and called him Antonio Pidota, confusing his name with that of Rosebud fisherman, Antonio Bosina, but she knew the name of his vessel, "Little Angelina". C.N.Hollinshed has confused family historians with the genealogy in his LIME LAND LEISURE, but to give him credit, he did get the spelling of Peter's surname right-PIDOTO. As I was only scanning his book for information not presented in other local histories, I did not notice this at the time. As soon as I changed my search to Pidoto,the results came flooding in,revealing other Pidoto mariners at Williamstown.
There is plenty of information about Peter in my journals so this journal deals only with Peter's family.
PIDOTO -On the 20th inst, at his residence, Dromana house, Rowe street, North Fitzroy, Carmello (Peter), the beloved husband of F.E. Pidoto, late of Dromana. R.I.P.(P.1, Argus, 28-9-1891.)
The friends of the late Captain P. PIDOTO, late of Dromana, are respectfully invited to follow his remains to the place of interment, Melbourne Cemetery.
The funeral will leave his late residence Dromana house, Rowe street, North Fitzroy, THIS DAY (Monday, 28th inst.) at half past 3 o'clock. JOHN DALEY, Undertakcr, Latrobe and Spring streets, Melbourne Telephone 827. (P.1,Argus, 28-9-1891.)
Rose Pidoto-Dromana, Australia,1866-Carmelo Pidoto-Taylor Frances Pidoto
WALLACE —PIDOTO. —On the 26th December,1900, at St. John's R.C. Church, Clifton Hill,by the Rev. R. Collins, assisted by the Rev.M. Dolan, William Wallace, department of Mines, Melbourne, son of the late William Wallace, of Sale, Gippsland, to Carmela, daughter of the late Captain Carmelo Pidoto, of North Fitzroy and Dromana.
PIDOTO.—On the 5th October, at her residence, 16 Brennand-street,North Fitzroy, Frances Elizabeth, relict of
the late Captain Carmelo Pidoto, dearly loved mother of Rose (Mrs Grogan, Elmore), Mary (Mrs. Hayes,Prahran), Josephine (deceased), Annie (Mrs.Williams, Western Australia), Carmela (Mrs. Wallace, Preston) Lottie (North
Fitzroy ),Nena (Mrs Burren, North Fitzroy, Jack (South Australia)*, and Will (Drouin),aged 85 years, late of
Dromana. R I.P. Our darling mother. —Interred privately, 7th October, by Alfred Allison, Clifton Hill.
* JACK IN S.A.-Cable Extensions in Pirie.
Five men under Mr. J. Pidoto (line foreman at Wallaroo) are engaged in extensions of telephone cables along The Terrace and Goode road, Pirie West. It is expected that they will be some weeks on the job.As a result of the extensions, portion of the overhead gear will be eliminated, and some of the poles in the two thoroughfares affected will be removed. Mr.Pidoto was in charge of similar work in Ellen street some time ago.
(Recorder (Port Pirie, SA : 1919 - 1954) Saturday 16 May 1936 p 1 Article.)
Frances Elizabeth Taylor (1846-1931) - Familypedia
Frances Elizabeth Taylor was born 1846 in Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom to William Taylor (c1806-1885) and Mary Harrison (c1808-1885) and died 1931 in Clifton Hill, Victoria, Australia of unspecified causes. She married Carmelo Pidoto (1836-1891) 1869 in Victoria, Australia. Ancestors are from the United Kingdom.
Frances Elizabeth Taylor
Birth: 1846 Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom Ω
Death: 1931 Clifton Hill, Victoria, Australia
Father: William Taylor (c1806-1885)
Mother: Mary Harrison (c1808-1885)
Carmelo Pidoto (1836-1891)
Wedding: 1869 Victoria, Australia ₪
Offspring of Frances Elizabeth Taylor and Carmelo Pidoto (1836-1891)
Rose Pidoto (1866-1967)
Mary Jane Pidoto (1868-1951)
Guiseppa Pidoto (1870-)
Angelina Pidoto (1873-1947)
Carmela Elizabeth Pidoto (1875-1942)
Maude Charlotte Pidoto (1878-1960)
Guivania Pidoto (1880-1964)
Giovanni Pidoto (1882-1972)
William Henry Pidoto (1884-1973)
The parents of Frances Elizabeth seem to have lived near Dromana and it is possible that there was a relationship with Alf Harrison after whom Harrisons Rd was named.
POSTSCRIPT.It is ironic that the 1869 Post Office Directory was found during an idle moment when I googled Peter Pidoto. Not having seen the genealogical information below,this entry did tickle my fancy; I wondered if he was related to the Father Of Keilor,not knowing he was Peter Pidoto's father in law!
Taylor Wm., farmer, Kangerong
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This tree is by again another cousin who also descends from Anthony Taylor: http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/46863269/person/6825186735 . It also has a death for Anthony's father William, and there is a death registration to match this death, father's name given was John Taylor. No mother's name given. Birth about 1806 in Nottinghamshire (this place of birth is incorrect as he said born Derbyshire in 1841, and his wife Mary born outside Derbyshire.) The death registration gives date of death as 1 Sep 1885 at Kangerong, Mornington and buried at Dromana Cemetery on 3 Sep 1885. His occupation farmer (miller in 1841 census) and his father's occupation rate collector. Died of old age (but it could have been grief - see below). Wife Mary Harrison. Informant his son William. Married Nottinghamshire (this may be correct). 34 years in Victoria (arrived about 1851). Children Jane deceased, John 54, Henry 51, Anthony deceased, Thomas 46, Sarah Anne 41, Frances Elizabeth 39, William 36, Emma deceased.
Fortuitously the death of William's wife Mary is the one immediately above his on the death registration. This is why he may have died of grief. She died of hemiplegia (paralysis of one side of the body) caused by a stroke 3 weeks earlier. She died at Kangerong on 16 Aug 1885. Her parents names are unknown. Her son William was the informant. Buried at Dromana Cemetery. Born Nottinghamshire (this may be correct) about 1808.
Your ancestors John Taylor (who married Mary Ann Norton) and Thomas Taylor (who married Phoebe Isabella Camden) had a sister Frances Elizabeth Taylor born about 1846 according to the age given on their parent’s death registrations. She died in 1931 as Frances Elizabeth Pidoto, the daughter of William Taylor and Mary Harrison.
This is a family tree from a cousin by marriage. This person descends from a brother of the husband of Frances Elizabeth Taylor, the sister of John Taylor and Thomas Taylor. It has good details about Frances Elizabeth’s children.
This family tree is from a cousin, a descendant of Frances Elizabeth Taylor through her daughter Carmelo Elizabeth Pidoto. It has the wrong parents and place of birth for Frances Elizabeth Taylor, and many marriages that are not hers as well, and a child by the name of Annie Selina Taylor who also was not her child. She only married Carmelo Pidoto. It is also missing some of Frances Elizabeth Taylor’s children with Carmelo Pidoto. http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/37210066/person/1905294684...=
Carmelo Pidoto, died 1891
Carmelo Pidoto was born to Giovanni Pidoto and Rosa Pidoto (born Strana).
Giovanni was born in 1800, in Italy.
Rosa was born in 1806.
Carmelo had one brother: Mariano James Pidoto.
Carmelo married Frances Elizabeth Pidoto (born Taylor).
Frances was born in 1846.
They had 9 children: Rose Pidoto, Mary Jane Pidoto and 7 other children.
Carmelo passed away in month 1891, at death place.
Where did the name of Peter's ship,"little Angelina" come from? Did he name it after his fourth child? This would seem to dispel such a theory.
Mr. William Duthie reports the sale on account of the Gipps Land S N Company, of the schooner Little Angelina, 33 tons register, to Captain P. Pidoto, at a satisfactory price.
(The Argus Saturday 25 June 1881 p 6 Article)
However,Peter must have been leasing the schooner since 1875 when Angelina was only about two years old.
FOR DROMANA_The clipper schooner LITTLE ANGELINA, now RECEIVING CARGO at New Dock, will be despatched early next week, and take the place of the Saucy Jack. For rate of freight, &&, apply to P. PIDOTO, on board, New Dock. (P.1, Argus, 11-9-1875.)
In an unobtrusive way, -says-the-Argus, Williamstown now and again contributes its mild share in shipbuilding to the commercial marine of the colony, and the latest craft launched from the local stocks is the Little
Angeline, a fore-and-aft schooner, built at Mr. Legg's yard for Captain Peter Pidoto, of Dromana, and intended for trading there, or the adjacent colonies if necessary. She is a pretty model, and a well-finished vessel in
all respects, and the following are her dimensions :-Length, 67ft. 4in. ; beam, 16ft. 8 in.; and depth of hold, 5ft. 3in. She is 35 tons register, but can carry 70 tons dead weight on a draught of 4ft. 6in.; which will
prove serviceable in shallows or bar harbours.
The schooner is substantially put together, and colonial woods have been used in her construction. The framework is made of blue gum and red gum, the planking of blue gum, and the decks and spars of Kauri pine.
She is also fitted with two centre boards, and has a very pretty shield figure-head. On being launched on Saturday, hearty wishes were expressed for a successful career for the Little Angeline.
Peter's brother Mariano, of Williamstown,was also a master mariner. There is plenty of genealogical information on trove about his family. Mariano seems to have been definitely born in 1834 but the U.K. website, where I found the details of Peter's death in 1891 (scans of death and funeral notices)states that Peter was born in 1831. Another website above states that Peter was born in 1836.
Peter seems to have had command of many vessels over the years. The ADMIRAL was probably the first.
FOR DROMANA.-The ADMIRAL, cutter, now lying at the New Dock, will sail on Monday, the 4th June.
FOR DROMANA.-Cutter ITALIA, lying in the New Dock, is ready to RECEIVE CARGO. Will sail about Thursday next.
(P.1, Argus, 11-2-1867.)
FOR DROMANA, on Tuesday next, from New Dock, the cutter G. F. VERDON. Freight, 12s. for less than three tons, and 10s. upwards, to be paid on delivery.Captain PETER PIDOTO.
FOR DROMANA.-Tho ROSA and MARY JANE will RECEIVE CARGO THIS DAY at the New Dock, and sail Tuesday.
P. PIDOTO, Master. (P.1, Argus,18-12-1871.)
SAUCY JACK < 1875 > LITTLE ANGELINA.
PETER'S LETTER. Still Little Angelina. THE DROMANA JETTY. TO THE EDITOR OF THE ARGUS.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 4 July 1883 p 5 Article
During the very-stormy weather on Friday night, the ketch "Ripple" trading between Dromana and Melbourne,and owned by Capt. Pidoto broke away from her moorings at the jetty. It appears that at about half past eleven at night the ropes by which the craft was fastened to the jetty gave way, and for a while she was held by her anchors but the gale becoming stronger than ever drove the vessel over the sand bar and landed her on the beach. The tide must have been very high at the time for it is now possible to walk along between the stranded vessel and the water. It is thought that little trouble will be experienced in getting her off again.I understand that the schooner "Little Angelina", also owned by Capt. Pidoto, will take up the running until the
Ripple is again ready for service. (P.2, Mornington Standard, 1-11-1890.)
In my special Pidoto rate research, I found that one year the address of the widowed Frances was given as Balmain N.S.W. Trying to find why, I discovered another of Peter's ships.
The vessel was found to be the Templar, a small wooden schooner of 29 tons register, 57 feet long, 16 feet beam and 6 feet 4 inches depth of hold, built at Sandridge, Victoria, in 1879, and owned by Mr. Peter Pidoto.
(A SCHOONER LOST.
Australian Town and Country Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1870 - 1907) Saturday 16 January 1892 p 12 Article)
WRECK OF A KETCH.
A message from Flinders (Vic.) says.-The wrecked ketch Little Angelina on Phillip Island shore is still holding together. She is right up on the rocks, and at low tide can be discerned from Flinders, distant across the bay
about five miles. There does not appear to be much hope of getting her afloat. It is not known here whether any
steps are likely to be taken with this object. The Little Angelina belonged formerly to the late Mr.Pidoto, of
Dromana, and was a regular trader between Dromana and Melbourne.
(The Sydney Morning Herald Saturday 17 June 1899 p 10 Article.)
THE PIDOTO LAND IN DROMANA.
A.EAST HALF CROWN ALLOTMENT 5, SECTION 1, KANGERONG.
The land along the Esplanade east of McCulloch St was not part of the township of Dromana and consisted of crown allotments 1 to 8 of section 1,parish of Kangerong. Crown allotment 5 consisting of 36 acres and 25 perches was between the east end of Gibson St and the Kangerong Avenue/Carrigg St midline,extending to Palmerston Ave (the freeway.) Two one acre blocks housed a store run by James Holden (and later his widow who died at over 100 years old) and a house occupied by fisherman John McLear and his son,Nip. See my journal PIONEERING NEIGHBOURS NEAR CARRIGG ST.The remaining 34 acres were sold in two equal parts,the eastern 17 acres becoming Peter's and the western half including the Dromana Hotel,built in 1862, with the north end of Carrigg St separating them.
DROMANA Esplanade - Eight-roomed HOUSE,kitchen, stable, coachhouse outbuildings, fruit flower gardens and 16 acres land under English grasses. Peter Pidoto 40 Elizabeth street N. (P.11,Argus,14-2-1885.)
South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 11 May 1887 p 2 Advertising
... SCOTT havcbeen favored wJith instructions from P. Pidoto, Esq., in consequence of his removal from the .
Messrs. Howard and Scott report having held a very satisfactory clearing sale of cattle, household furniture &c., on account of P. Pidoto, Esq., Dromana.
(South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 25 May 1887 p 2 Article)
The Dromana Sports Club committee have decided to alter the date of the proposed race meeting for November 9th, to the second week in January. The change was made on account of there being very few horses in training in November, while in January it will be held when other clubs on the Peninsula will be having theirs. The
Dromana racecourse,is now the sole property of Mr G. S. Edwards, of the Dromana Hotel, he having purchased
the paddock from Mrs Pidoto.
I'd often wondered whether the racecourse behind the Dromana Hotel was just on the hotel's 17 acres or Peter's half as well. Peter would have had to move his cattle during the race meetings. The Football Club used the racecourse for home games until 1927 when it became Spencer Jackson's Foreshore Estate as shown on page 172 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA* and a new recreation ground was virtually donated by the blackmith discussed on the plaque located on the south east corner of Charles and Pier Sts. There were two courses being used at Dromana,the other being on the Dromana Secondary College site but in late 1923 or early 1924,the club received notice from the Victorian Chief Secretary that he would authorise meetings at only one of the courses and this probably prompted Lou Carrigg ,who had been a stalwart of the racing and footy clubs,to sell his 34 acres.
*A close inspection of the aerial photo shows that the track is just visible,occupying the whole 34 acres.
B. DROMANA TOWNSHIP BLOCKS.
C/A 9 SECT.12. J.PIDOTO. 27-7-1864.FRONTAGES TO CODRINGTON AND VERDON BETWEEN POINTS 80 AND 100 METRES NORTH OF LIGAR ST.
C/A 3,SECT.11, P.PIDOTO. 27-7-1864.FRONTAGES TO SAME STREETS BETWEEN POINTS 40 AND 60 METRES SOUTH OF LIGAR ST.
C/A 7 SECT.4. P.PIDOTO.12-7-1864.FRONTAGES OF 40M AND 37.71M TO WEST SIDE HEALES AND NORTH SIDE HODGKINSON.
C/A 5 AND 7 SECT.15. P.PIDOTO. 8-8-65 AND 8-6-65. FRONTAGES TO VERDON AND HEALES FROM 80-100 M AND 120-140M SOUTH OF HODGKINSON.
C/A 1, 2 SECT. 18. P.PIDOTO. 2-11-64 AND 10-10-84. FRONTING SOUTH SIDE HODGKINSON AND 40 METRES IN MCCULLOCH AND HEALES.
C. THE RAILWAY ESTATE.
EMILY BLAKELY,CARLTON, LOTS 29,20 BAIB ESTATE.
WM.BROUGHTON BUTCHER RICHMOND LOTS 15, 16 RAIL ESTATE.
MRS. M.E.DYSON, BOARDING HOUSE KEEPER, LAND RAILWAY ESTATE.CHAS DUHAM MELB (SOLD TO MISS DEBNEY,MT.ALEX RD FLEM)LOT 38 OF 13 RAILWAY ESTATE.
MRS A FOLEY* IVANHOE LOT 28 RAIL ESTATE.
MRS FITZGERALD 1 LOT RAIL ESTATE.
MRSE. FLETCHER, HAWTHORN 1 LOT RAIL ESTATE.
JONAH GRIFFITH **(INSPECTOR?), 1 LOT AND BUILDINGS, RAIL ESTATE.
F.W.HILLYARD, STH. MELB.,1 LOT RAIL ESTATE (65 LOT 13 SECT.1.)
MRS MOVIS, BALLARAT,LOT 28 RY EST.
MRS PIDOTO,CLIFTON HILL (W.E.THOMPSON OCC.,G.S.EDWARDS OWNER)17 ACRES KANGERONG N.A.V. 50 POUNDS, RAILWAY ESTATE UNSOLD LOTS N.A.V. 30 POUNDS.
NELSON RUDDUCK & CO. 2 LOTS 13 RAIL ESTATE
SILL H.A.? I LOT RAIL ESTATE
KATE TALBOT 1 LOT AND BUILDINGS RAIL ESTATE.
- ARTHUR LOT 35 RAIL ESTATE.
*The Pidotos continued their involvement at Dromana after Peter's death. Pidoto, Foley and Co. was complimented about contributions. I didn't open the article but I'll bet it was in regard to fund-raising for the establishment of the Catholic Church,in which Lawrence Murphy played such a prominent part.
find article when internet signal returns
Just as well I'm not a gambler. The Pidoto family obviously followed the Roman Catholic faith but the donation was to the Presbyterians. The donation was also before Peter's death.Oh well,you can't get them all right. However I was right about the family's continued involvement at Dromana. The girls were involved in a fund-raising concert for the Catholic Church in 1905 and attended the Fleming-Hazedine wedding in 1912. John Cain had devised a nickname for Lena to introduced her at the concert. The Cains had enabled early masses for Southern Peninsula residents, priest coming across the Bay to preach at Owen Cain's Tyrone between Rye Township and Canterbury Jetty Rd.
Our Presbyterian friends are very busy preparing for a bazaar, to be held in January next. The proceeds, I believe, are to be devoted to the purchase of a second allotment of land on which to erect a manse. An adjoining allotment was presented to the denomination by Messrs.Pidoto, Foley and Co. some time ago.
Miss L. Pidoto.(referred to by the chairman as the " prima donna" from Croajingalong).. next sang "'The carnival," in a pleasing manner. (P.2, Mornington Standard, 19-8-1905.)
Members of R C. Church,Dromana (Mrs and Misses O'Connor, Noble and Pidoto)-tea set;
( Orange Blossom. FLEMING—HAZLEDINE.
Mornington Standard (Frankston, Vic. : 1911 - 1920) Saturday 4 May 1912 p 3 Article)
** Jonah Griffith's nickname was Dohn. Famous American illustrator,Ewart (Melbourne) Brindle lived in Dromana from 1904-1918 and his fabulous map of Dromana,which he drew decades later, not only shows Dohn's house and where Young Ewart helped him to build his boat but gives a fair indication where the unsold lots on the railway estate were.
With such pitiful handwriting that led me to transcribe the first entry as the baib estate and usually inadequate descriptions of properties (the first part of Frances' assessment should have read 17 acres of east half crown allotment 5, section 1 Kangerong, 8 roomed house and outbuildings, the buildings providing most of the 50 pounds N.A.V.), it is amazing that I worked out where the railway estate was. it was crown allotment 13, section 1,Kangerong,consisting of about 37 acres granted to Charles Barnett. It was bounded by Palmerston Ave,Jetty Rd and Boundary Rd.
CARMELO PIDOTO Deceased-Pursuant to the provisions of the Trusts Act 1890 notice is hereby given that all persons having any claims against the estate of Carmelo Pidoto (usually known as Peter Pidoto) late of "Dromana", Rowe street, North Fitzroy, in the colony of Victoria, master mariner, deceased, who died on the 20th day of September 1891 and Letters of Administration of whose estate (with the will annexed) was granted by
the Supreme Court of the Colony of Victoria, in its Probate Jurisdiction on the 26th day of November 1891 to the Perpetual Executors and Trustees Association of Australia Limited the said company being duly authorised by Frances Elizabeth Pidoto the widow of the said deceased to apply for and obtain letters of Administration with the said will annexed are hereby required to SEND PARTICULARS of such CLAIMS in writing to the said Perpetual
Executors and Trustees Association of Australia Limited of 40 Queen street, Melbourne on or before the 1st day of July next after which date the said company will proceed to distribute the assets of the said Carmelo Pidoto amongst the persons entitled thereto having regard only to the claims of which it shall then have had notice and it will not be liable for the assets or any part thereof so distributed of whose claim it shall not then have had notice.
Dated the 26th day of May, 1892.
THOS. G. BOYD 450 Chancery lane, Melbourne, proctor for the said company. (P.3, Argus,1-6-1892.)
THIS BLOKE'S GOT TO BE ON DROMANA'S ROLL OF HONOUR!
Regimental number 10781
Religion Roman Catholic
Occupation Telegraph linesman
Address Glenelg, South Australia
Marital status Single
Age at embarkation 33
Next of kin Mother, Mrs F E Pidoto, 364 Queen Street, Clifton Hill, Victoria
Enlistment date 3 September 1915
Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 27 August 1915
Rank on enlistment Gunner
Unit name Field Artillery Brigade 6, Reinforcement 2
AWM Embarkation Roll number 13/34/2
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT A19 Afric on 5 January 1916
Rank from Nominal Roll Driver
Unit from Nominal Roll 6th Field Artillery Brigade
Recommendations (Medals and Awards)
Consistent valuable services and gallantry under fire as linesman.
Recommendation date: 2 October 1916
Mention in Despatches
Awarded, and promulgated, 'London Gazette', second Supplement, No. 29890 (2 January 1917); 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 103 (29 June 1917).
Fate Returned to Australia 20 December 1917
Source: 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 169
Date: 4 October 1917
DANGEROUSLY WOUNDED 1917.
PIDOTO.-Mrs. Pidoto, Clifton Hill, has been informed that her son, Gunner J. Pidoto, who was mentioned in despatches, and was awarded the Military Medal for conspicuous bravery, has been wounded in the chest, and left arm, and is returning to Australia. Before enlisting Gunner Pidoto was a linesman in the post-office in South
Australia. He has been on active service for two and a half years. (P.6, Argus, 7-2-1918.)
THIS JOURNAL CAME ABOUT THROUGH A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR PETER PIDOTO WHO SEEMS TO HAVE DIED IN 1891 AT THE AGE OF 60,HIS GIVEN NAME ACTUALLY BEING CARMALO. DUE TO OTHER JOURNALS NEEDING COMPLETION,THIS WILL BE ENTIRELY FROM MEMORY. ALL COMMENTS WILL BE IN UPPER CASE.
And I thought the digitisation on trove was bad! The links given in comment 1 don't seem to work. I WAS REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IF SORRENTO HAD BEEN INCLUDED AS A TOWNSHIP (SEE MY JOURNAL "THERE WOULD BE NO SORRENTO..SIDNEY SMITH CRISPO") BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE!)I don't know why the producer(s) of this website bothered if this was the best they could do. It would have been better to refer readers to municipal libraries (probably most) which hold microfiche copies of the various post office directories including this one. I would suggest that local and family historians try their local libraries to access directories. Some, such as the Rosebud library, might even have a paper copy of some directories,such as Sands and McDougall's 1950 directory,which helped me to discover (with the help of David Shepherd and his wife and the Tullamarine Progress Association ratebook) that Percy Hurren,postmaster and store keeper at Moorooduc in 1950 was farming Dalkeith at Tullamarine by 1951.
As the source is so useless, transcription from microfiche seeming an easier task, I will not be dealing with any other districts, such as Bulla,Tullamarine, Keilor etc. Kathleen Fanning has a Bulla directory on her FANNING FAMILY HISTORY WEBSITE, and most historical societies and family history societies would probably have directories on word files. Information about people about whom I've written brief comments can be found in my journals by googling key words from the comment and itellya: e.g. SHANKLAND, DEAN'S, WALTHAM,ITELLYA ; GRAVES, MCLEAR,SURVEY, ITELLYA; GRAVES, HAWKER,SHOREHAM, FLINDERS,ITELLYA; WADDESON,RED HILL, ITELLYA.
I'LL TRY TO CORRECT SPELLING OF OTHER NAMES FROM THE MICROFICHE AND FIND TROVE REFERENCES FOR MY UNKNOWNS.
Full text of "The Victoria Post Office Directory" - Internet Archive
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ACBB, John, dispenser
ABdarsoD, Alexander, bootmaker ANDERSON
Ainott , John A., baker ' ARNOTT. NO APPARENT LINK TO WILLIAM ARNOTT,FOUNDER OF THE ARNOTTS BISCUIT COMPANY (NEWCASTLE.)
BxnSL H. John, labomrer
Bond, Jno. ft Wm.,farmeni,Buroke FAIRVIEW, BOND'S HILL,BONDS LANE AT GREENVALE.
BMvn, John, hajbcber
Kown, Bobert. ooach-driTer
Batler, Bichara, batcher BUTLER?
Cajobov, Angus, crpntr^Euroke
GameroQ, Jolm, farmer, Boroke CAMERON (STONY FIELDS RENAMED RUTHVENFIELD RENAMED ROXBURGH PARK.)C/A's
Gaighin, David, batcher CARGILL
CStapman, Bev. Dayid, minister CHAPMAN
Cooper, John Henry, saddler
Ooffoonm, Daniel ft Peter, farmers CORCORAN?
Ganigaiu John William, farmer CORRIGAN?
Geoser, George, grocer COUSER
Cox, WiDiam, sorveyor
Cothbert, John, Euroke CUTHBERT?
Dalt. DeidfL baker DALEY? WILL WILL ROOK GRANT
BandBon, William, mason
Banris* WiBiam, shoemaker
Dofau-, John Hay, farmer JOHN HAY DOLLAR, WHO WAS LEASING ANNETTE FARM (MELWAY 6 C4),WEST OF SPRINGBANK AND UP THE PRESENT GREENVALE RESERVOIR PIPELINE PAST WATTLE GLEN, FROM DONALD KENNEDY'S ESTATE.
15 Aug 1868 - Family Notices
... 4th inst., at Annatt Farm Broad- meadows, the wife of John Hay Dollar, Esq.
Drain, Hamilton ft Jas., laboorsrs
Brain, Joseph, oontraotor. DRAIN
Bonn, Edmond, farmer DUNN
I>attoii, Thomas, farmer, GHenroy DUTTON
I>attaik, Wni«, labourer, Glenroy
Edoijb, George, squatter, I^irohe EDOLS (DUNHELEN)
Edwards, Wm., squatter, Euroke
Elkin, James, shoemaker
Fbbouson. WiffiAm, farmer
Gaw, Bidiard, farmer
Gawley, Jenvt, laboorer
GUmore, William, blaeksmith GILMORE
Glasebrook, James, labourer
Goding, Arthur, briekmafcer GODING'S HOLLOW BEHIND THE OLD SHIRE HALL AND POLICE STATION.OLD BRICKS SEEM TO LINE CREEK.
Grant, Bobert ft Wm., carpenters POSSIBLY RELATED TO THE GRANTS OF CRAIGLLACHIE ON TULLAMARINE ISLAND,BULLA.
H ATTT, DaTid ft Bob. , oontraotora HATTY. POSSIBLY AT GREEN GULLY NEAR BALLATER PARK. DESCENDANTS LATER ON DUNDONALD FOR DECADES UNTIL 1929 WHEN IT WAS BOUGHT FROM THE KENNEDY ESTATE BY ATTWOOD WHO SOLD HALF OF THE 400 ACRES FOR A REMOUNT (NOW POLICE HORSES AND VET. COLLEGE.)
Haywood, John, fanner
Heam, John, farmer
Hickey; Timothy, fanner
Hill, Wm.'H., sen., poundkeeper
HiU, William H., jun., labourer
Hoctor, Jas., Mich, ft Tim.,fanners . DUNHELEN LANE AND ANOTHER FARM ON THE WEST SIDE OF PASCOE VALE RD WHOSE NAME I'VE FORGOTTEN. JACK HOCTOR WAS ONE OF MY AMAZING ORAL HISTORY SOURCES.
Hooney, John, dairyman
JoHUBTOir, John, farmer JOHNSTON. EITHER BETWEEN SWAIN ST AND PROVIDENCE LANE ON MACHELL'S SUBDIVISION OR ON GREENHILL AT THE NORTH WEST CORNER OF MICKLEHAM AND CRAIGIEBURN RDS.
Judson, Isaac, Euroke
KsimDT, Alexander, labourer
Kennedy,Mrs. Jessie,DundonaldH WIDOW OF DONALD,DUNDONALD
KecT, John, dairyman, Glenroy KERR BOUGHT PASTURE HILL AND BAYVIEW FARMS ON THE GLENROY ESTATE OF THE LATE DONALD KENNEDY IN 1874 AND BUILT KERRSLAND WHICH STILL STANDS IN THE GROUNDS OF PENOLA COLLEGE WHOSE NAME HONOURS THE PLACE WHERE MARY MCKILLOP STARTED HER PROGRESS TO SAINTHOOD; MARY WAS RELATED TO THE CAMERONS WHO,LIKE DONALD KENNEDY CAME FROM GLENROY IN SCOTLAND.
Kingahott, John, blacksmith KINGSHOTT
Lavabs, John, farmer, Euroke LAVARS. BUILT THE GREENVALE HOTEL ON THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF MICKLEHAM AND SOMERTON RDS. SEE MY MICKLEHAM ROAD JOURNAL.
Layars, Martin, labourer, Euroke LAVARS. LATER LEASED PART OF THE DUNDONALD ESTATE THEN RAN A SHOP AT GLENROY.
Lawrance, John, farmer LAWRENCE
MAUiOWB, Thos., hawker, Euroke MALLOWS
Mason, John, gardener
M'lyor, Erander, surreror McIVOR
M'Kee, Henry, constable
M'Kerohar,Dun. ftJ. ,fmrs. ,Eun>ke McKERCHAR. MARRIED A McNAB GIRL. AYRSHIRES.
M'Kendrle,A]ex. ft John, lab oww
M'Kencie, Duncan, teacher McKENZIE. AT THE COMMON SCHOOL IN BROADMEADOWS TOWNSHIP IF I REMEMBER THE WESTMEADOWS PRIMARY SCHOOL CENTENARY HISTORY CORRECTLY.
M'Nab, Angus, farmer, Euroke PART OF THE DUNHELEN ESTATE. LATER RETURNED TO TULLAMARINE AND ESTABLISHED THE SECOND VICTORIA BANK BETWEEN BARBISTON RD AND AUCHOLZIE.
M'Nab, Donald, farmer, Gn. Gully
Michie, Alex., farmer, Green GuDy BALLATER PARK IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
MiUer, Thomas, cattle-dealer
Mills, William, labourer
Milone, John, farmer
Mogford, Wm., coachnproprietor PROBABLY OWNED THE HISTORIC OLD COACH HOUSE ON THE BROAD ST CORNER IN BROADMEADOWS TOWNSHIP (WESTMEADOWS),IN WHICH JACK HOCTOR WAS BORN.
Monro, John, blacksmith
OifBT, Wm., labourer, Euroke
Pafworth, Henry, labonrer PAPWORTH. ON MACHELL'S ESTATE NEAR PROVIDENCE LANE.PROMINENT MEMBER OF NEARBY METHODIST CHURCH. EARLY RESIDENTS ON JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER'S CO-OP. SUBDIVISIONS NEAR MANSFIELDS RD OR SECTION 10 ON TULLAMARINE ISLAND.
Pell, John, labourer
Phillips, Mrs. Frances, grocer
PhillitM, Peter, bookkeeper
Poynder, Ber. Bobert, minister
Proctor, Thomas, bookhindOT
Roberts, Alfred, painter
Robertson, Peter GELLIBRAND COTTAGE,PROBABLY BETWEEN SWAIN ST AND PROVIDENCE LANE.
Robinson, James, teacher, Euroke PROBABLY THE FIRST TEACHER AT GREENVALE SCHOOL 890 ON THE WEST CORNER OF SOMERTON AND SECTION RDS. PRESENT SCHOOL ON HUGHIE WILLIAMSON'S DUNVEGAN RETAINS THIS NUMBER.
Rose, Alexander, bootmaker I THINK HE WAS NEAR ESSENDON IF I REMEMBER LENORE FROST'S STREET NAMES OF ESSENDON CORRECTLY.
Shanklin, Robert, fanner, Euroke SHANKLAND. "WALTHAM". BUILT FIRST STAGE OF DEAN'S HOTEL AT MOONEE PONDS (MOONEE PONDS TAVERN SITE) IN 1852.
Sharp, James, farmer (HILLSIDE,1867)
Sheppard, Jessie, farmer, Euroke
Shields, Alexander, contractor
Skelton, Henry, labourer, Glonroy
Stewart, G^eorge, labourer
Stewart, John, farmer
Summers, John, farmer
Thompson, Pat, squatter, Euroke
Thompson, William, farmer
Toogood, Stephen, farmer
Toomey, Michael, labourer TWOMEY. SHANKLAND RELATIONSHIP. GLEN ALLAN 1920'S.
Triglone, Edwin, saddler
IJNWnr, Nathaniel, fturmer UNWIN.YUROKE GRANT
Vauoran, Thos. ft Wm., farmers VAUGHAN
Wjelbh, Patrick, contractor
WUe, William, hotel-keeper
Willumison, Andrew, €^eorge, and
DaTid, farmers, Glenroy WILLIAMSON. LATER FAIRVIEW AND CAMP HILL.
Woods, Peter, hotel-keeper (PROBABLY ESSENDON HOTEL-RECENTLY DE MARCO'S,THEN THE GRAND- JUST SOUTH OF WOODLANDS ST AND THUS IN THE BOROUGH OF ESSENDON AND FLEMINGTON???)
TOMOLASA ; PosW Town DROMANA
and Police Station ; onder
KaomoDgRoedBoard ; County KANGERONG
and Elect. Dist. of Momington.
lUU Its. Hslb. 13180 p.m., axr. 8
a.ai.; hre. for Melb. 6 p.m., air.
11.80 p.m. D. Nicholson, Jmg. B.
E QatBan, C. Sek. Tckr. A. Hal-
AOAMB Henry £. , f mr., Waanadne ADAMS, WANNAEUE
Allan Herbert, g^irdener
AaderaoQ Rob., gnr., C. Schanck ANDERSON,BARRAGUNDA
AikweD John, farmer. Red Hill ARKWELL
Babueb Ed., fmr., Arthur's Seat BURRELL??
Barker Jno., landowner, CScbank CLERK OF VICTORIAN PARLIAMENT
fianett Charles, farmer BARNETT. RAILWAY ESTATE?
Bsjne Wm., farmer. Stony G^eek BAYNE
Boeg James R, fanner BOAG MELROSE FINGAL
Bovne Robert^ lighthouse-keeper
Brown Chas., farmer, Kangerong, ARTHURS SEAT (FORMERLY SCURFIELD'S) HOTEL FIRE EARLY 1898.
Bugess Edirard, oontraotor
Buriell Joseph Brooks, landowner BURRELL
Butcher Henir, fisherman
Caldwbll Rooert, landowner CALWELL,DROMANA HILL
Chapman George, farmer SEAWINDS?
Crigbton John, fiarmer, Boneo CRICHTON GLENLEE
Dtson John, teamster DYSON. BUS LINE
Eato!7 fcGriffith,fmr8.,Kangerong WATSON EATON & ABRAHAM GRIFFITH
Eaton Watson, farmer, Kangerong DROMANA'S AMATEUR BUT LOVED DOCTOR UNTIL HIS DEATH IN 1877.MEMORIAL IN MUSEUM.EATON'S CUTTING.
Elkin J ^tlgrph. officer, C.Sdianck
Fenbt Thomas, farmer FENBY?
Fish Wm., lighthouse-keeper
Ford Edw.,b!aoksmh , Wannaene BONEO
Gibson Walter, fmr., Kaiuraroiiff KANGERONG (GLENHOLM AND SURVEY)
Gibson Wm., shoemaker, Red H BALNARRING GRANT!
Grace William, landowner GRACEFIELD, LATER AT RYE (SON IN LAW, PATRICK SULLIVAN BUILT GRACEFIELD HOTEL ON HIS GRANTS IN RYETOWNSHIP, NOW THE SITE OF MRS HUNT'S RYE HOTEL.)
Graves Chas., farmer, Stony Ck TENANT FROM 1851 ON SURVEY AND HAWKER TILL 1860, BOUGHT MARYFIELD AND SOLD TO MARY ANN McLEAR, HIS PARTNER IN THE HAWKING BUSINESS, AS SOON AS HE'D HAD THE RYMER BROTHERS FENCE IT, ESTABLISHED WOODLANDS IN THE PARISH OF FLINDERS, STORE AT SHOREHAM.
Grey Edward, farmer. Stony Ck CROWN ALLOTMENTS----BALNARRING
Grimth Abraham, farmer GRIFFITH, SOON KILLED IN ACCIDENT
Haddow William, shepherd (ON BARRAGUNDA FOR ROBERT ANDERSON, CROWN ALLOTMENT---FINGAL
Haldan Alezander, storekeeper
Head Alfred, farmer, Miuk Creek C/A's - AND - BALNARRING, STRADDLING STONY CREEK ROAD. SOLD MOST OF HIS PRODUCE IN THE TOURIST SEASON AT SORRENTO WHERE HE HAD A SHOP. A DESCENDANT PRESENTLY PLAYS FOOTY FOR SORRENTO. ONE OF HIS DAUGHTERS MARRIED INTO A SORRENTO FAMILY (LENTELL?)
Hillis Hill, fmr.. Ht Macmahon MT MCMAHON AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, 50 ACRES OF GLENBOWER AT RED HILL. (TO BE DETAILED IN BARRY WRIGHT'S BOOK ABOUT WILDWOOD.)
Holding Bichard H., farmer FORMER TEACHER, NEGRO SERVANT, 72b BALNARRING
Hopcraft Wm., farmer. Musk Ck BALNARRING GRANTS
Kbllt Rich. H., Ch. of Enf. reader
Marquis Jno., carpenter, Musk Ck
M'Keown James, farmer GLENBOWER AND WILDWOOD MINUS HILL HILLIS'S 50 ACRES
M'llroy Wm., farmer, Kangerong KANGERONG GRANTS
M'Lear Geo., farmer, Kangerong MARYFIELD, BULLOCKY
KiCHOLBON Daniel, schoolmaster NICHOLSON.GRANT NEAR POLICE STATION, CNR MCCULLOCH ST.
Patterson Walter, farmer • SURVEY
Pidoto Peter, storekeeper AND MARINER
Place Francis, contractor
QuiNAR Mrs. Emma, achoolmistrs QUINAN. PURVES CONNECTION. FATHER,ROBERT, COMMITTED SUICIDE BECAUSE OF HIS PART TIME JOB.
Rat Chas., farmer, Kanfferong RAE OR RAY. LARGE PART OF SURVEY.
Ringrose Bryan, farmer. Red Hill 60 ACRES SOUTH OF FOUR WINDS.
RdOney Daniel, carpenter
Rymer Thomas, carpenter
ScuRFiELD Wm. D., hotelkeeper SCURFIELD'S HOTEL, WHERE FATHER NIALL DISGRACED HIMSELF. GRANTS IN BROADMEADOWS AND DROMANA TOWNSHIPS.
Simon HenrvB , fmr., Arthurs st KANGERONG GRANTS JOINED BY SIMON'S CUTTING. FRENCH? BELGIAN?
Singleton John, aawyer SAWYER.
Sn^ Duke, shoemaker SNELL, DUKE SOUTHBY.
Tasskll Edwin L., farmer TASSELL.LEASED BRUCE'S NORTHERN 1000 ACRES OF SURVEY BETWEEN MT MARTHA WATERWAY (TASSELL'S CREEK) AND ELLERINA/BRUCE/FOXEY'S RD.DIED AT ABOUT THIS TIME.
Taylor Wm., farmer, Kangerong CARMELO (PETER) PIDOTO'S FATHER IN LAW, WHO DIED IN 1885 SHORTLY AFTER HIS (W.T.'S) WIFE.
Townsend John, brickmaker WANNAEUE GRANTS.
Wadbson k Holmes, faars.. Red H WADESON AND HOLMES. 15AB KANGERONG. WADESON KILLED AS RESULT OF FALL FROM HORSE AT ABOUT THIS TIME.
WADESON.— At his farm, at Kangerong, from injuries received through his horse running away,Lawrence Wadeson, aged sixty-two, much respected in life and deeply regretted in death.
(P.94,Illustrated Australian News 12-6-1876.)
Wall A., lighthse-kpr., C. Schanck
Watkin Richard, hotelkeeper DROMANA HOTEL BUILT CIRCA 1862,AFTER RUNNING SCURFIELD'S AND SUPPLYING TIMBER 1858.
White Robert, shoemaker UNCLE OF BLOOMING BOB WHITE (ROBERT JAMES), AND FATHER OF BLOOMING BOB WHITE. MARRIED TWO DAUGHTERS OF HILL HILLIS
Wilson Geo., farmer. Stony Ck SON OF SARAH WILSON, SURVEY TENANT BY 1855. SEE MY JOURNALS ABOUT SARAH. SEE "GIVING DESTINY A HAND" BY PETRONELLA WILSON. NOT RELATED TO ANZAC,GERVAIS WILSON.
Wilson Henry William, butcher FOUNDER OF BUTCHERING DYNASTY AFTER BRIEF STINT AS BULLOCKY. THE BLAIRGOWRIE SHOPS ARE ON A FORMER WILSON ABBATOIR SITE. MANY STREETS ON THE SOUTHERN PENINSULA ARE NAMED AFTER THE FAMILY INCLUDING THAMER BURDETT WHOM HE MARRIED, HIS SON, GODFREY AND POSSIBLY COUTTS (A POSSIBLE ARISTOCRATIC LINK TO THE BURDETTS.)HENRY'S GRANDSON WAS SAVED FROM DROWNING USING MOUTH TO MOUTH ABOUT 70 YEARS BEFORE THIS METHOD CAME INTO COMMON USE.
Windsor Francis £., fmr., Red H KANGERONG GRANTS.
Wiseman Jas., blacksmith, Red H KANGERONG GRANTS. IRON BICYCLE.RED HILL'S FIRST SCHOOL. WISEMAN'S DEVIATION.
Young George, farmer, Stony Ck POSSIBLY STILL ON SURVEY BUT SOON INVOLVED AT MOOROODUC. INVOLVED IN THE SARAH WILSON STORY. SEE "GIVING DESTINY A HAND."
Toung Robt. C, farmer. Red Hill ROBERT COXON YOUNG. KANGERONG GRANTS.
If John Batman could read the following he'd do more than turn in his grave. I don't know whether the claims for land in New Zealand, referred to below,were actually approved,but there seems to have been a huge inconsistency in the responses to his purchase of land north and west of Port Phillip Bay and similar purchases from Maoris in New Zealand.
Only one claim is detailed below. If it was approved and Andrew Murchison McCrae was Andrew McCrae, one of the partners named, there would probably be no historic McCRAE HOMESTEAD and Dromana West might have been renamed as Wannaeue. The following was found in a fruitless** search for Major Fraser of the Kangerong Estate*, mentioned by Richard Howitt in a report of his walk to Westernport in 1842/3. I have seen no reference to the occupant of the Arthur's Seat Run before Andrew McCrae and suspected that Major Fraser was that man. (**However, another reading of that article shows that " From Brighton to Major Fraser's squatting station is eight or nine miles." My misreading of the following passage had led me to Andrew McCrae's land claim in New Zealand.)
*There were a great number of squatters' stations all around Melbourne at this period. Those lying between Melbourne and Westernport at which Howitt called or to which he made reference, included Major Fraser's, the Kangerong Estate,Willoughby's cattle station, Rutherford and Blackmore's, Manton's, Merrick's***, Allen's, Barker's, and Captain Reid's-the latter at the foot of Mount Martha. (*** Maurice Meyrick's Boniyong)
(EARLY VICTORIA. RICHARD HOWITT'S IMPRESSIONS. AN INTERESTING OLD BOOK.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 25 December 1909 p 6 Article)
I now suspect that the Kangerong Estate was Jamieson's Special Survey. Willoughby's Cattle Station may have been the Arthurs Seat Run.
(p.s. Willoughby and Thompson bought the Cape Schanck run from Robert Jamieson and Thompson sold it to the Barkers. P. 25 A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. The Barkers bought Boniyong at about the same time and no indication is given by the article about which run was occupied by the Barkers during Howitt's visit. So I did a WILLOUGHBY, ARTHURS SEAT search on trove. Eureka! The following does not prove that Willougby had the Arthurs Seat Run before Andrew took up the lease circa 1843. I suspect that the following had taken place: Willoughby had become insolvent and his partnership with Thompson had been dissolved. Thompson himself may have become the shepherd at Barrabung and Andrew,busy with the construction of the homestead until Georgiana's arrival on 9-6-1845, probably allowed Willoughby to act as his manager or to graze his own cattle on the run.)
CHILD STOLEN BY THE BLACKS.-Intelligence reached town a few days since that a fine little child, son of Mr
Willoughby, of Arthur's Seat, was stolen by the blacks under the following circumstances : etc.
Geelong Advertiser and Squatters' Advocate (Vic. : 1845 - 1847) Wednesday 6 May 1846 p 2 Article
I bet Andrew McCrae and partners paid a lot less for their 1.28 million acres in New Zealand than the 5280 pounds that Jamieson paid for his special survey! They certainly did!
CLAIMS TO LAND IN NEW ZEALAND. (Continued.)
The Sydney Herald (NSW : 1831 - 1842) Saturday 17 April 1841 p 4 Article
167. H. E. Michel, of Yass, John Johnson,M.D., of Kororarika, D. P. Okeden, of Maneroo,Andrew McCrae, of Melbourne, T. Chirmside,of Coodradigbee River, John Virtue, of London, James Wynen, of New Zealand, and Captain Guard, of New Zealand. 1,280,000 acres, being all that tract of land situated at the Pelorus River, embracing about forty miles of the sea coast, by fifty miles inland, and including Admiralty Bay and Queen Charlotte's Sound.(Boundaries not stated.) Purchased in the early part of 1839, from certain native chiefs by Messrs. Guard and Wynen, acting on behalf of themselves and other claimants. Consideration, merchandise to the amount of £500.Nature of conveyance, deed to Messrs. Guard and Wynen.
It probably seems to some that I spend every idle moment thinking of a new journal to write but that's not how they come about. They usually come about from a chance discovery. Right now I could be writing a new journal called Mr Roger's Tramway at Blackwood because of such a discovery while I was trying to find out when Greendale State School was established to verify my suspicion that Greenvale State School had kept its Common School number in 1872. Instead,one side-track being quite enough,the article was emailed to Margot Hitchcock.
This journal had its genesis in about March 2014 when I heard that the Dromana Historical Society and R.S.L. had received a joint grant for a Centenary of the Gallipoli Landing project. Rosebud's Anzacs were not to be included in the research so I wrote the ROLL OF HONOUR,ROSEBUD journal. I showed it to the Rosebud Primary School Principal, Tony Short, and he thought it would be great for the school captains to carry the Roll of Honour in the Anzac Day march but it was too hard to get off the wall.
Today I called on Tony to see if the Roll of Honour would be carried this year.Like myself, Tony hadn't realised just how tall and heavy it was and thought some sort of cross bar arrangement would be needed but that even then it might still prove too difficult for children to carry. He loved my suggestion of a large photograph of the Roll being carried instead.I showed him my ROLL OF HONOUR, ROSEBUD journal and later he asked me about how long Red Hill had existed. I replied about 1862 and he asked me what the school number was. I said that I didn't know and he had to ring the bell to end recess.
While I was reading Barry Wright's memories of Red Hill, I saw the Red Hill State School number and immediately realised that Tony must have assumed that school numbers (like car regos)could indicate vintage, which they would, FOR SCHOOLS ESTABLISHED AFTER 1872. But it may be no guide at all to the respective ages of say, the Ascot Vale and Wonthaggi schools if both became state schools in 1872. Indeed,if the Ascot Vale school was called Bank St State School,it would have a completely different number!
Some people may wonder why their historic school has a high number while relatively new schools have a very low number. Greenvale Primary school, built in recent decades on the subdivision of Hughie Williamson's "Dunvegan" has a very low number, No. 890. This was a rare case where a brand new school was given the same number as its predecessor (at the west corner of Somerton and Section Rds.)
In nearby Tullamarine, there were three old schools: the former Wesleyan School 632 at the bend in Cherie St, the Tullamarine Island school(number 519 but given as 619 in a source quoted later) and the Seafield school No. 546. Tullamarine Island children attended the Bulla or Holden schools when a reduction in numbers caused a closure;it operated twice so that might account for two different numbers (or 619 could be a typo.) The Island children used Paul Tate's Ford to cross Jacksons Creek on their way to the east end of McLeods Rd where the Holden School stood and when the second Island school on Bulla Park closed they crossed Deep Creek on Bedford's swing bridge to reach the second Bulla School in School Lane.
In 1884 schools 632 and 546 were replaced by S.S.2613 Tullamarine on the north corner of Bulla Rd and Conders Lane (north corner of Melrose Drive and Link Rd.) Again in 1961, this block being acquired for the airport,a new school was opened at the corner of Broadmeadows Rd and Dalkeith Avenue, occupying two LTC (Light timber construction) buildings which were clad with brick a decade later. Once again a new number was employed. Such a high number might lead people to believe that Tullamarine children had been uneducated for about 106 years!
Without wanting to present a history of education in Victoria, I will give a very short summary.Anyone could open a school in early days. Probably one of the earliest on the Mornington Peninsula was on Jamiesons Special Survey near Wallaces Rd (Melway 160 J 4)in the 1850's. Churches opened their own schools in populated areas and when they started asking for state aid only one of them would be chosen as a NATIONAL school based on the Irish model with a curriculum agreed by most denominations. In 1862, with schools coming more under state control, this time called Common Schools, Robert Quinan's school at Dromana was chosen over Daniel Nicholson's but when Quinan committed suicide through shame at not being able to balance the Shire's books (in his part time second job)Nicholson ended up with the job anyway. The Moorooduc school opened as a Common School in a church building near the south east corner of Mornington-Tyabb and Moorooduc Rds. Its number was 825 but its replacement at Jones Corner in 1880 or shortly after was called State School 2327.
Moorooduc Port Phillip Eastern region 825 3 308
Moorooduc Port Phillip Eastern region 2327 3 374
In 1872, the Education Department was established under the leadership of the revered Frank Tate. Schools were called State Schools and numbered in alphabetical order. Common schools probably kept their numbers. Did Greenvale keep its Common School number,given to it in 1869? Yes,or its number would have been higher than Greendale's school,which became a state school in 1872.
The following has saved me a visit to the Rosebud Library to consult VISION AND REALISATION.
The Bacchus Marsh Express (Vic. : 1866 - 1918) Saturday 14 December 1872 p 2 Article
... in consequence of the bad attendance; third, to the Sunday school, at which, he stated, only two ... . Messrs. John Brady and William Courtney are gazetted members of the Greendale School committee.
It is likely that the Greendale school was a private affair until after the Greenvale Common School opened in 1869, and that it became a Common School in about 1870,retaining its common school number in 1872.
(FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.)
The school opened in Mr. Graham's barn by Mr. Chamon on Monday last, has been fairly attended during the past week, and will doubtless be a large school ere long.(P.3, Bacchus Marsh Express,15-2-1868.)
Greendale Central Highlands region 918 2 708
Greenvale Port Phillip Western region 890 3 50
In the alphabetical index of Victorian schools the first number is the school number with the second and third numbers being volume and page numbers in VISION AND REALIZATION.
Vision and realisation : a centenary history of state ... - Trove
Headteachers of all the schools in existence in 1971 were asked to submit a history of their schools. The boss at Tullamarine's Dalkeith Avenue school was lucky to have plenty of descendants of pioneering families, and the Methodist Church centenary souvenir of 1970,to tell him about all the early schools in the area. All schools in existence in 1972 were given a copy of VISION AND REALISATION. Hopefully all copies from now-closed schools were donated to municipal libraries.
ALL Victorian Schools by name AND number
Select this website and then choose one of the two alternative links down the page a bit:
Victorian Schools sorted by name
Victorian Schools sorted by number
Just to wrap up, what do these tell us?
Yabba Yabba Goulburn region 2483 3 817
Yabba Yabba South Goulburn region 2609 3 822
Yackandandah Upper Murray region 692 3 914
Yackandandah Upper Murray region 694 3 914
Yundool Goulburn region 1833 3 787
Yuroke Port Phillip Western region 548 3 41
Here's my guess.
The third,fourth and sixth schools started as Common schools in the 1860's and if they became state schools, they kept their common school numbers. The third school closed and later reopened,perhaps in a new building, as the fourth school. Yundool was probably the last school (alphabetically) to be established as a state school in 1872. Yuroke was established very early and was probably National School 548. Originally known as the Chalmers Institute,it was situated on Mickleham Rd across the road from the Dunhelen gates and was the venue for the meeting in 1857 at which the Broadmeadows Road District was formed. The first and second schools were probably established in the late 1870's or early 1880's.
Okay that wasn't all guesswork. Twenty seven years of local history research allows information to become a story. Like this one.
Jessie Rowe was a much-loved teacher at the Holden school and was given a big farewell circa 1903,when she left to teach at Tullamarine S.S. 2613. Within a few years she was resigning from the Department because she was marrying Frank Wright of "Strathconan" and was given a fond farewell again but with less sadness because she wouldn't be leaving the district. However before she left she had the unenviable task of telling her pupils of the drowning of William Mansfield and his son Willy at Bertram's Ford near Keilor in 1906. A Mr Rodgers took over from Jessie; all the pupils disappeared one hot lunchtime for a swim at the bone mill and, behaving stupidly, Colin Williams cracked his head open near the end of 1908. Colin was still recovering when school started the next year and was dismayed by tales of the new very strict teacher. The same teacher who organised community picnics on Alexander McCracken's Cumberland in 1909-1911,was secretary of the Tullamarine Progress Association 1924-1954, sent him a post card when Colin was serving overseas thirty or more years later,presented Broadmeadows Shire with the Tullamarine (Melrose Drive) Reserve, organised the Pioneers Roll still proudly displayed in the foyer of Tullamarine Primary School and has been honoured by the City of Hume with a plaque attached to a boulder at the Melrose Drive Reserve,a teacher named Alec Rasmussen.
Considering that Douglas Picking probably helped to maintain tourism in Dromana after the days of the steamers,it is amazing that the only mention of his fauna park in Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA was in relation to a fire described on page 146.
The local police would not allow fire fighters into what old-timers know as Russell's. This had been the site of American Marine manoeuvres in preparation for later Pacific island landings....much live ammunition had been lying in the paddocks. We local children had thought we had collected most of it,but in the face of the firefront,what we had missed was exploding, posing a serious risk to life and limb,hence the police ban. We therefore took ourselves on to Paterson's (sic) opposite Picking's Fauna Park,where with support from Australian troops from Balcombe we battled the fire there.
As rate records and the subdivision plan of Clarke's Estate on the Survey show, "Patterson's" was lots 18 and 19 of the Clarke Estate,286 acres north of Wallaces Rd (known to old-timers as Patterson's Lane), east of Pt Nepean Rd, and indicated by Melway 160 K2, part 1, 161A-B1,2,part 3, 151 B12,west third of C12. Pickings Lane is across Pt Nepean Rd from the south west corner of Patterson's and it is possible that Douglas built Bluestone Cottage (Mel. 160 G2)at the north west corner of lot 9, the old Griffith family homestead block.
To confirm or repudiate this, I will have to find a two or three year old email I sent to the shire Heritage Planning Officer, Simon Lloyd, when I was in the midst of trying to save the heritage of Rosebud and Dromana. Found it!
9/17/11 to Simon
While assembling Safety Beach information from trove, it suddenly occurred to me that Bluestone Homestead might have been a pioneer's home.( Located at the end of Pickings Rd (Melway 160 D2) it might have had a connection with D.Picking's peacock farm/fauna park.)
It requires no investigation as the only item of historical interest is the builder, Hanson, a descendant of Hec Hanson's grandfather who arrived in Balnarring in 1887.It was built in about 1980.
This was run by the owner as Bluestone Homestead cottages, which is still on the internet but has not operated as a bed and breakfast for some years. This information comes from the owner.
I suggest that this house be listed with a status "of little interest" with its only links to history being through the builder's pioneering family and the use of a material (bluestone) that had not been much used for over a century. With this information recorded, much precious assessment time will be saved in case somebody (like me) thinks the house has significance.
The following shows that Douglas had land on both sides of Pt Nepean Rd,perhaps including Godfrey Ralph Patterson's lots 18 and 19 and land farther east through which the creeks flow.
From where did D.Picking come?
Where was his Fauna Park exactly?
Where was his grant near Red Hill?
The answers to these questions disappeared when I lost my internet connection and had to reboot my computer to regain it. Wisely I had copied it but unwisely I didn't paste it into a word file and lost the lot.
When I saw yesterday's Southern Peninsula News (24-3-2015) the first question was answered. What part of Frankston? Long Island according to Doug's wedding notice. Pickings Road and Lane give an indication of the
location of Doug's 1000 acres on the survey, fronting Pt Nepean Rd. The creeks named seem to indicate that his land was near Tubbarubba. Doug's 2.125 acre grant (28C Kangerong) near Red Hill was between White Hill Rd and Old White Hill Rd west of Melbourne Water's Dromana Reservoir.
WEDDING BELLS. PICKING—PHILLIPS.
Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Wednesday 18 October 1922 p 2 Article
... . Pick-ing, of Long Island, Frankston, and brother to Mesdames J. L. Pratt and J. B. Jolly, of Frankston.
AUSTRALIAN FAUNA PARKS DROMANA PROJECT SPECIAL SECTION FOR KOALAS Living Under Natural Conditions
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 14 August 1933 p 10 Article.
(1000 ACRES,PT NEPEAN RD, BULLDOG, TUBBARUBBA AND MOSQUITO CREEKS, ETC.)
TO BE RESUMED WHEN JOURNALS ABOUT DROMANA AND ROSEBUD HERITAGE WALKS,MEMORIES OF RED HILL POST 1940 AND VIN JERVIS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
Douglas Picking,his wife Beatrice and, presumably, his second wife, were buried at the Mornington cemetery.
1247 PICKING Douglas Robert 6/7/1971 72 Drom
1247 PICKING Beartice DeCardi 5/6/1956 56 nee Phillips*, Morn
3145 PICKING Lily b1908 d1996 Nee Moses
The wedding of Mr. Douglas Picking, son of Mr. and Mrs. R. T. Picking, of Long Island, Frankston, and brother to Mesdames J. L. Pratt and J. B. Jolly, of Frankston, and Miss Beatrice Phillips, daughter of the Rev. and Mrs W. A. Phillips, of Glenhuntly, took place recently at St.Agnes' Church, Glenhuntly. Canon Langley officiated. The bride was frocked in ivory satin with beaded georgette, side panels, and carried a pink and white bouquet. Mrs. Picking, senr., was attired in nigger* brown velour, and Mrs. Phillips, sen.wore blade charmeuse. (P.2,Frankston and Somerville Standard, 18-10-1922.)
*No journalist would dare write that apt description of colour today!
PICKING.-On June 5, at Mornington, Beatrice De Cardi Picking,darling wife of Douglas Picking,Fauna Parks, Dromana, aged 56 years. -Those glorious years we had together, dearest. You know I will always love you sweetheart mine. (Doug.)
PICKING.-On June 5. at Mornington, Beatrice De Cardi Picking, the devoted wife, a brave and loving mother of Robert, Douglas(U.S.A.), Bruce, Marianne (Mrs.J. Cameron-Begg), and Warwick,mother-in-law of Molly and Cam,
grandmother of John, Lynette,Juanita, Ann, Jeanie (U.S.A.) and Warwick.
PICKING.-On June 5, at Mornington, Beatrice de Cardi Picking, loved mother of Bruce and Val.
Mr Robert T. Picking
Mr Robert Thomas Picking, who died at Frankston on Friday last, was on the staff of Lamson, Paragon Ltd for about 40 years. He retired about 12 years ago. Mr Picking, who was in his 84th year, is survived by a son, Mr Douglas Picking, of Dromana, and two daughters, Mrs J. L.Pratt and Mrs J. B Jolly, of Frankston.
(P.6, Argus, 18-2-1947.)
Mr Douglas Picking, now residing at Dromana, still has at heart the success of the Frankston New Year's Day sports, hence Portsea, Rosebud,Dromana and Mornington are displaying widely the programmes in connection with Frankston's big New Year's Gala Day.
Mr. R.T. Picking has posted New Year's Day sports programmes in business windows in many towns of the State, from the seaside town of Queenscliff to far distant Mildura, and this effort on behalf of the well known traveller serves to at least advertise Frankston in the inland towns of the State.
(P.3, Frankston and Somerville Standard,30-11-1923.)
Doug's son flew the coop. Does the Dromana R.S.L.Branch know about Robert and Doug junior.
PICKING-DWYER. —On October 23, at St.Andrew's Church of England, Summer Hill, Sydney, by Archdeacon Bidwell, Amelia Mary, only daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. J. T. Dwyer, of Dulwich Hill and Tamworth, to Robert William Leith Picking (R.A.A.F. returned), eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. Douglas Picking, of Fauna Parks, Dromana, Victoria.(P.2,Argus, 20-11-1943.)
Water birds, such as young Doug, were also involved in aviculture! Both Robert and Doug Junior had Leith as a given name so I suspect this was the maiden name of R.T.'s wife.
GOOD NEWS FOR DROMANA FAMILY
Mr. and Mrs. Douglas Picking were the recipients of good news this week,when a letter was received from their
son, Douglas, from New-York. Almost in the same mail, they received a letter from a lady in East Africa, who had entertained Douglas whilst his boat was in port there. Doug. is in the Merchant Navy, and his parents had not heard from him for two years. His brother, Bob, who is in the RAAF, and has seen active service, is at present in Dromana with his young wife.(P.4 Standard,Frankston,16-3-1944.)
DOUGLAS LEITH PICKING AND HIS OLD ENGLISH SHEEPDOGS,AMONG THE SPRING FLOWERS AT GLENKINDIE. DROMANA (V.)
(P.23,The Australasian, 8-10-1932.)
N.B. It was the boy's father's success (retold 100 years later in the Southern Peninsula News) with his old English sheepdog, Frankston Lorna Doone,that led to this journal.
Val,one of the article I found last night was a photo of several Mornington Shire councillors at the fauna park
with Mr Kirton. That's what I've been looking for.(Picking, Dromana search on trove.)I'd better get back to my Memories of Red Hill journal or I'll be lynched.
Val Wilson, whose fabulous research into the pioneers buried in this cemetery can be found on the website below, has been informed about the Douglas Picking story in an email containing the part in italics above.
Pioneer Graves in the Mornington Cemetery
Here Mrs Valerie Wilson of Mornington & District Historical Society, documents the known details of a selection of pioneers and early settlers now resting in the ...
CORRECTION: WILL WILL ROOK CEMETERY (MELWAY 7 B9), VIC., AUST. (BOOK LAUNCH, BURIAL LISTINGS IN COMMENTS.)
I can't blame Andrew Lemon's BROADMEADOWS A FORGOTTEN HISTORY for my boo boo. Andrew gave me no grounds for assuming that there were no denominational sections at the Will Will Rook Cemetery. He may have given me that impression with his emphasis on the prominence of Scots in the area, such as John Kingshott's appointment to the Broadmeadows (Westmeadows)school committee so it wouldn't consist entirely of Presbyterians. Somewhere,probably in Sue O'Callaghan's BROADMEADOWS HISTORY KIT (which I read in 1988 in the Gladstone Park High School library),it was mentioned what a turn-around it was for the Will Will Rook Cemetery when Kerrsland became the St Joseph's Foundling Home,the resting place of Presbyterians becoming the final abode of infant Catholics (or words to that effect.)
However the main reason for my assumption was the burial of many Broadmeadows Catholics at Bulla and Keilor cemeteries,such as butcher, Bob Cargill's son at Bulla after he was accidentally shot by young Graco.
The following comes from Beryl Patullo, whom I have never met though we have been history colleagues for over a quarter of a century. She is one of the dedicated FRIENDS OF WILL WILL ROOK CEMETERY, along with another colleague of similar vintage, Elaine Brogan, secretary of the Essendon Historical Society for many years.
Hi XXX, been reading your article on Mickleham. Your comment regarding no designation in the cemetery.
Originally it was 10 acres: 2 acres Presbry, 2 acres C of E, 2 Acres RC, 1acre Wesleyan, 1 Independent & 2 acres other denominations..... It was cut back later to 4 acres in total. which was because there was no one buried on the side closest to the creek the area which is now the parkland. from the existing Headstones in the cemetery to the creek. . We are able to pick where the designated areas are because of the headstones or known graves exist.There are some Darmody children buried in the cemetery, but the parents are in Keilor.
Thanks for that Beryl!