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I'd never seen a mention of the above two pioneers in a Broadmeadows history. That's just the reason that I embarked on a bicentennial project in August 1988, to acknowledge pioneers overlooked by professional historians who are more concerned with themes than people. My aim was to provides real detailed information for family historians, not just a name in a list. To me, they were just names in a list until Irene sent me a private message. This journal will consist of our conversation.
The location of Strathoer is still not proven and it may well have been Mornington Park, now Maygar Barracks and Northedge Industrial Park east of the Will Will Rook cemetery and adjoining GLENROY and Alexander Gibb's Meadowbank. Locations given were really vague in the 1850's, such as Moonee Ponds meaning anywhere near the Moonee Ponds, and if this farm (12 miles from Melbourne,just like Strathoer) was regarded as being "near Broadmeadows", Walter McFarlane may have been leasing all or part of it as STRATHOER. I had thought that Strathoer was the name of a house in Broadmeadows Township when Irene first contacted me.
PRIVATE MESSAGE FROM IRENE.
I have been searching for the hereabouts of 'Strathoer', so thank you for the information that it was situated at the end of Fawkner Street, Moonee Ponds. I thought it might have been further north because of the connection with Campbellfield.
Walter Macfarlane married Elizabeth Anderson - daughter of Joseph Anderson. Joseph Anderson, a builder arrived in Port Phillip with his wife Ann in 1838. Joseph also lived in Moonee Ponds at 'Burn Head'. His son Samuel Anderson died at his father's house and the funeral went to the Melbourne General Cemetery.
Walter Macfarlane was the Secretary of the Agricultural Society. I would appreciate to any more information you may have and am willing to exchange anything I do have on Walter MacFarlane.
Fawkner St in Broadmeadows Township (now Westmeadows)is at Melway 5, K7. Moonee Ponds,in early days had nothing to do with the suburb and meant anywhere along the Moonee Ponds Creek (which bisected Broady Township.)
By coincidence,last night I was writing about John Anderson who became the baker at Broadmeadows township in the 1880's and discovered JOSEPH ANDERSON of Broadmeadows.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 11 March 1868 p 4 Family Notices
... ANDERSON.-On the 9th inst., at Lal Lal, Annie Leslie, wife of Mr. Joseph Anderson, of Broadmeadows and
Did Joseph Anderson have any descendants named John (born at Keilor 1862), Peter or Alexander?
THE Friends of Mr. JOSEPH ANDERSON (late of Broadmeadows and Bacchus Marsh) are invited to follow the remains of his late wife to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery. -
The funeral is appointed to move from the residence of his son, Mr. Adam Anderson, No. 2 Mackenzie street (near the Gaol*), at three o'clock on Saturday,the 14th instant.JOHN SLEIGHT, undertaker, No. 83 Collins street east. (P.8,Argus,13-3-1868.)
*Possibly Old Melb. Gaol or at Bacchus Marsh unless Mackenzie St at Pentridge has been renamed.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 13 March 1868 p 4 Family Notices
... DEATHS. ANDERSON - On the 9th Inst, at Lal Lal, Annie Leslie, wife of Mr. Joseph Anderson, an old colonist, and late of Broadmeadows and Bacchus Marsh, aged sixty-five years. ..
I see where you got Moonee Ponds from. It would have been only one and a half miles from the present Moonee Ponds Junction miles to Flemington bridge and if Burn Head was in the suburb of Moonee Ponds, the procession would travel at the ridiculously
slow speed of 1.2 kilometres an hour. Broady Township is about 7.3 miles north of Moonee Ponds Junction,making it 8.8 miles to Flemington Bridge and giving a speed of 4.4 miles an hour, a very brisk walking pace. This, the Wally/Lizzie marriage and "late of Broadmeadows" (as above)would indicate that Burn Head was a house in Broadmeadows Township. Your assumption that Strathoer was farther north (on the same latitude as Campbellfield) was correct.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 20 August 1857 p 8 Family Notices
... Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral pro- i cession to move from his residence, Burn Head, Moonee Ponds, at eleven, and pass the Flemington Bridge about one o'clock this
May I use your message and my reply in the journal?
For some reason my reasoning for Strathoer's location is not submitting here. Send your email address or just email me on (deleted). Regards, xxxxxxxxx, Rosebud.
My email address is (deleted).
Thanks for all your info. I am enjoying all your information. Today I received 'Broadmeadows - A forgotten History by Andrew Lemon. As you refer to it all the time I thought it was a 'must have book' in my library.
My head is spinning about this area as we have Walter Macfarlane, Alexander Cruickshank and Joseph Anderson (Walter & Alexander S-I-L of Joseph) living in the area at one time or other. Next week I am going to SLV to search through directories to see if I can trace them that way. Our Joseph Anderson arrived Port Phillip 1838. He was a builder. insolvent, farmer. He lived in Elizabeth St etc, Moonee Ponds, Craigieburn, Lal Lal, Bacchus Marsh and finally Avenel (Monea South) Unfortunately Joseph Anderson Patton that as far as I know is not related was in the same areas.
At the moment, I am researching Carron Timber Yards, Flinders Street that Joseph's son Adam Anderson was a partner, so I was pleased to find info from you re the Cairns family. Thank you very much! Hope to be my first journal in FTC.
Informing her that I would not be writing any more about her family so I wouldn't spoil her journal and letting her know about my comment under my SOME FARMSIN THE SHIRE OF BROADMEADOWS journal,i.e.
Yet another link has been found between the Mornington Peninsula and Broady.I don't know whether any of the pioneering Cairns family of Boneo were directly linked with the Carron timber mill in Melbourne but their stepbrothers were. Joseph Anderson had a place called Burn Head at Moonee Ponds (probably Broadmeadows Township) in the 1850's; his son, Adam, became a partner in the Carron Timber mill and his daughter married Walter MacFarlane of Strathoer, near Broadmeadows and adjoining Glenroy. Because millyhettie and camcairns sent me private messages, they will now be able to share their information. The former's first post is on the way.
Once again,thanks to Scott Jangro who makes all of this connection between researchers possible.
Known facts about Strathoer. 1. Grazing paddock.* 2 Near Broadmeadows (Township.)**
3. Adjoined Glenroy.* 4.12 miles from Melbourne.*
(*Grazing for horses advertisement. **Family notices.)
Route chosen. From G.P.O. along Elizabeth St, Flemington and Mt Alexander Rd to Moonee Ponds and then Pascoe Vale Rd. Why Pascoe Vale Rd rather than Deep Creek Road to Broadmeadows(now Mickleham)road, crossing the creek at Broadmeadows Township?
The first bridge in the township, a timber one linking the two ends of Ardlie St, was built in 1854, after the grazing advertisement appeared. The creek banks are very steep so it would be a great feat to cross without a bridge on horseback and absolutely impossible with a wheeled vehicle. Therefore the original route to Sydney would be used to reach Strathoer until 1854, that is past the (original)Young Queen Inn at Pascoeville.
Measurement. On all Melway maps mentioned, 8cm equals a mile. Any inaccuracy in distance is caused by the original surveyors (the boundary, fronting Sharps Rd, Tullamarine of crown sections 21 Doutta Galla and 3 Tullamarine not being EXACTLY 8000 links (a mile) as shown on both parish maps),or by the Melway map makers.
FROM THE G.P.O.
1 MILE. Cnr. Blackwood St and Flemington Rd (43 F4.)
2 MILES. Cnr. Melrose St and Flemington Rd (43 C2.)
3 MILES. North Cnr. Ailsa St and Mt Alexander Rd (28 K11.)
4 MILES. North corner of Alexandra Ave and Pascoe Vale Rd (28 J7.)
5 MILES. Sth. cnr. of Brewster St. and Pascoe Vale Rd. (28 J3.)
6 MILES. Progress St corner (16 K12.)
7 MILES. Adelaide St corner (16 H8.)
8 MILES. Chapman Ave corner 16 G4.)
9 MILES. Where Rowan St would met Pascoe Vale Rd (6 G12.)
10 MILES. Just north east or west of the Johnstone St/Camp Rd overpass.
MILE POSTS. I know for a fact that there was a 10 mile post outside the Parr property at Tullamarine but my measurement shows that the ten mile point is outside Thomas Anderson's early farm and about a furlong (200 metres) before the location of the 10 mile post. I believe that the three mile post was located at Moonee Ponds Junction but my measurement shows that the actual junction was just short of 4 miles. The post office may have been closer to the Yarra in those days but I also think there was more estimation than measurement in the placement of the mile posts as well.
Exact measurement would not determine the location of Strathoer, so I tried another approach. I did a trove search for BROADMEADOWS, 12 MILES and found:
AUSTRALIA AND THE WAR THE POSITION IN VICTORIA. MOBILISATION CAMP SELECTED. Melbourne, Tuesday.
Warrnambool Standard (Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Friday 7 August 1914 Edition: COUNTRY EDITION p 1 Article
...day. The site for the mobilisation or all troops of all arms in Victoria has been selected at Broadmeadows, 12 miles north of Melbourne.
CONTINUES IN "MORE PIONEERS OF BROADMEADOWS" JOURNAL.
Joseph Anderson,by that time living at Bacchus Marsh, was involved as a witness in a dispute over the will of Thomas Graham in 1871. (See P.7, Argus,16-8-1871, column 6,Law Report,Graham v Graham.)
Found this while chasing Bulla/Broady and Mornington connections.
Messrs. A. E. Gibson and Co. report having sold by private contract, on behalf of Messrs. James Harrick and Son, 200 acres at Tullamarine, being the eastern portion of part of Crown portion 3, to Mr. George Mansfield.
Gordon Connor told me that George had built the Dalkeith homestead in 1910. Spot on!
Section 3 Tullamarine, granted to William Foster and consisting of 640 acres, fronted the north side of Sharps Rd, Tullamarine west of Broadmeadows Rd. The northern boundary,Post Office Lane,is indicated by the north boundary of Trade Park industrial estate. It also fronted the road to Broadmeadows Township (now Mickleham Rd) to the Londrew Court/Freight Rd midline. William inherited and returned home with his younger brother,John adding William's 1280 acres to his own "Leslie Banks" between Fosters Rd (now Keilor Park Drive)and the river.
In 1847 a road was declared between North Melbourne and Bulla. Land north east of it was leased in portions and soon David William O'Niall had established the Lady of The Lake Hotel just a triangular 1.5 acre block* south of the Derby St corner.(*This still exists,with a Melrose Drive frontage the width of a fence post, and was part of section 6.)Broombank (Millar Rd, Tadstan Drive) and the Junction Hotel and associated land (Northedge and Andlon/Londrew Courts)took up the rest of the triangle.
What is now Trade Park was sold to Methodists such as Charles Nash and Ann Parr and the Methodist Church was built on the north corner of the present Trade Park Drive in 1870. Before that the Wesleyans had bought a one acresite on the bend in Cherie St and established a Wesleyan School in 1855 that operated until 1884 when the Conders Lane school opened on the present Link Rd north corner,also replacing the "Seafield" school.
South of the Catherine Avenue/Janus St Midline,the remaining 400 acres were bought by the Kilburns who called it"Fairfield". David Milburn,Victoria's first irrigator, seemed to be leasing it in 1868 and it was later leased by the Williamsons for many years. James Harrick,whose homestead is now the museum of the Keilor Historical Society later bought the property and split it into two 200 acre farms. The farm west of the Fisher Grove houses became Michael Reddan's "Brightview" (later Doyle's "Ristaro") while the eastern half was Dalkeith. This was owned by George Mansfield, T.and Ernie Baker (who had a bad accident), Tommy Loft* (who subdivided 40 acres for the Dalkeith Ave, Eumarella St and Gordon St housing), Leslie King Dawson and Moorooduc's former postmaster, Percy Hurren, who'd earlier snored during sermons while near Red Cliffs, according to Mrs David Shepherd.
(*Tommy Loft called a meeting to form the progress association in 1924 and in 1929 had Squizzy Taylor's haunt,the Junction Hotel closed, much to the displeasure of the local drinkers.His son,Ray, married Maggie Millar,lived at 3 Eumarella St,leased and then owned "Broombank",hence Millar Rd,and had a son named Gordon,after whom Gordon St was named.)
Text wouldn't submit but was luckily saved and will be submitted when the OH NOES gremlins buzz off.
If you still have yesterday's Sunday Herald Sun (9-2-2014) have a look at "Packenham it in" on page 57.
When my twin brother and I were about five we were driven to Grandma Cock's at Bunyip for Christmas dinner. As it was over 100 degrees and dinner was cooked on a slow combustion stove, we were glad to escape to the relative coolness of the blazing sun after our meal. After dad died,my brother and I would be taken to platform 1 at Spencer St Station to catch the train to Bunyip. We loved the train, because, both having ants in the pants, we could spend most of our journey wandering the aisle that ran the length of one side of the carriage. We either stayed with mum's sister, Grace (Mrs Hinson) or Les and Jess Roberts at the top of the hill.
As mum had to work to support us we were later allowed to travel on our own,just like big people, to stay with Auntie Grace or Jess Roberts, who was a life-long friend of mum (nee Edna Cock.) Although we had driven through Pakenham at the age of five, the place had not yet become part of my being. Later, as a typical smutty teenager the name of Pakenham Upper burned its way into the part of my brain that manufactures corny jokes.
When I got a car and a licence, Pakenham became very much part of the romance of the drive to Bunyip, along with places like Officer, Tynong, Nar Nar Goon etc and John Towner's pub. (After John Coleman's career-ending injury, John Towner looked likely to become the next Coleman until he was crudely propelled into the fence and was never the same afterwards.)
Thus when I read page 57 of the Sunday Herald Sun of 9-2-2014, I felt compelled to write a journal about a part of my past,just as I had about Campbells Creek. The headline was "Packenham it in." I would have used "Packenham up"! Daryl Timms' article is presented virtually verbatim with some re-ordering to give genealogy and track information separately. Don't be too hard on Timmsy about his south west gaffe; I have to be on constant guard not to make the same blue.
Gavan and Hughie Bourke (pictured)have vivid memories of growing up in the family home located on what was later to be named Racecourse Rd.There were seven Bourke siblings and their backyard was the racetrack which was founded in 1875. The Bourke link with the racetrack goes back to Ireland in 1838 when Michael Bourke married Catherine Kelly in County Limerick,leaving for Australia on their wedding day and arriving in Melbourne on St. Patrick's Day,March 17, 1839. After five years they gained a squatter's licence and selected land in the Pakenham district. They had 15 children, but two died in infancy and it was their youngest son,David Joseph Bourke, who farmed land on the current racetrack site and allowed races on his paddock.
After the death of David it was sons Hugh and Michael who played the crucial role of keeping the club alive. Despite pressure for the site to become Crown land,the Bourkes agreed to sell the track to the racing club for 25 000 pounds ($50 000)in a deal finalised in 1957. "It was about a quarter of what it was worth,but back then our family wanted it to stay a racetrack forever and we always thought it would, " Hughie said this week.
Brother Gavan agrees that it's sad that the track,on a 27 hectare site and sold for redevelopment for $30 million,will be part of the massive suburbia explosion in the heart of Pakenham. The first races had been annual amateur picnic meetings,the only meetings between 1896 and 1909 being on New Year's Day,but in December 1926 the club moved to regular,professional meetings with the inaugural Pakenham Cup after 4000 pounds (raised with the help of locals) was spent to upgrade and remodel the track as demanded by the government. The Bourkes leased the track to the club for free on the condition that profits benefited public amenities.
It will be an emotional time today (9-2-2014)for the Bourke clan when the track hosts its final meeting-featuring the Pakenham Cup- as the club prepares to move to a new track and multmillion dollar development on 246 hectares of farmland at Tynong , 10 km east of Pakenham and 65 km south west (sic; southeast) of Melbourne.
I don't know whether anyone is writing a Bourke family history. Perhaps it might be a descendant living far
(see comment 2.)
P.183, MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN, Harry Huntington Peck.
Old Mrs. Bourke who was the landlady of the Pakenham hotel at
the bridge over the Toomuc creek for so many years was an
institution of the district. She was most popular with the Gippsland
travellers and drovers as she took pains to make all visitors
comfortable. Her fine sons David and Daniel prospered as graziers
and bought good properties, the one Llowalong originally part of
Iiushy Park on the Avon near Stratford, and the other Old
Monomeith, where the next generation Hughie and Michael, trading
as Bourke Bros., are to-day the largest regular suppliers of baby beef
to Newmarket, are well known as the owners of show teams of
first-class hunters and hacks, and of late years have been very
successful in principal hurdle and steeplechase races.
COCK, GIBB AND OTHER NAMES AND THINGS I REMEMBER ABOUT BUNYIP.
COCK AND GIBB.
BUNYIP.-Messrs. E. Dawes, J. Cock, A. Holgate, J. Gibb, and W. Head have been appointed trustees of the soldiers' war memorial. (P. 10,Argus,10-8-1939.)
On Sunday night Mr. J. Binney, a visitor from Glenferrie, accompanied by Mr.F.W.Cock, of the New Bunyip Hotel, caught a fine blackfish in the Bunyip River. The fish, which measured 23 3/4 inches in length and
13 inches in girth, turned the scale at 4 3/4 lbs. This was the only fish which
the two anglers captured, but it is reported that Mr. Cock caught a cold.
Potato crops at North Bunyip are even better than those on Kooweerup Swamp, but digging has temporarily
ceased owing to the bottom having dropped out of the market. Mr. P. McIvor's crop is estimated to yield
from 10 to 12 tons to the acre, as also will Mr. F. W. Cock's Carmens. Messrs T. Devenay and Geo. Norman
are also digging crops that are giving splendid returns. (Bunyip Free Press and Berwick Shire Guardian (Vic. : 1914 - 1915) Thursday 4 February 1915 p 3 Article.)
Bunyip Rifle Club. The annual meeting of members of the Bunyip Rifle Club took place at the Mechanics' Hall this (Thursday)evening, when Mr. E. Head occupied the chair. The balance-sheet showed a credit of £22 for the year, which was considered satisfactory. It was decided to hold a banquet, to befollowed by a dance, on the evening of Tuesday, 31st August. Office bearers for the ensuing year were elected as follows Captain, Mr. T.
Slattery; vice-captain, Mr. H. Simpson ; hon. secretary, Mr. J. Cock; treasurer, Mr. E. Head. Votes of thanks were passed to those who donated trophies last year. (Bunyip Free Press and Berwick Shire Guardian (Vic. : 1914 - 1915) Thursday 19 August 1915 p 2 Article)
My maternal grandfather, Frederick William Cock,son of John Cock,probably spent most of his childhood and youth on Stewarton/ Gladstone (the northern 777 acres of today's Gladstone Park) which John occupied from 1892 till his death at the very end of 1911. As Fred's father got into trouble for tax avoidance, perhaps they could make an UNDERBELLY episode about my family!
A Technical Charge.
Inspector Allen, of Public Health Department proceeded against Fredk.Cock for having rum under proof in a bottle for sale. Mr. Hamilton, who appeared for defendant, explained that his client was the victim of another
person's fault. The wholesale people in Melbourne did the breaking down, Mr. Cock having nothing whatever to do with it. Even then the liquor was only one fraction under proof. The Inspector agreed to a small fine being imposed with the lowest possible costs. Fined 10/- with 21/- costs. (Bunyip Free Press and Berwick Shire Guardian (Vic. : 1914 - 1915) Thursday 12 November 1914 p 3 Article)
I never met Fred who died before I started my Bunyip holidays but I certainly remember my first Christmas Dinner on what I presume was his Closer Settlement block (down the road from the footy ground.) It was about 100 degrees farenheit and the dinner was cooked on the slow combustion stove. The house was like an oven! It had two rooms, all socialising done in the kitchen, while the bedroom was partitioned with material,one part being Grandma Cock's and the other shared by Uncles Jack, Stan and Ray.
Fred's younger brother, Alf, who remained in the Tullamarine area (Glenview in Annadale Rd), must have visited Fred often because he married a Wood girl whose family lived in Longwarry.
THE ABOVE IS WRONG AND ILLUSTRATES THE DUAL DANGER OF WRITING FROM MEMORY, ESPECIALLY WAY TOO LATE AT NIGHT.MY BROTHER BROUGHT THE MISTAKE TO MY ATTENTION AND HIS EXTENSIVE VALUABLE INFORMATION IS POSTED IN COMMENTS UNDER THE JOURNAL.
I will attempt to find some of the information that I emailed to someone who was researching Alf's Glenview at Tullamarine. Alf's daughter married a Wood lad from Minyip(1) but if I remember correctly his family was related to the Wood family near Bunyip(2). Alf received the grant for his Arundel Closer Settlement block but the name of the person who was originally allocated the block was WOOD.(3)
(1)ENGAGEMENTS.Jean, younger daughter of Mr. and Mrs.Alfred Cock, of Glenview, Tullamarine,to Kenneth C., son of the late Mr. and Mrs. E. B. Wood, of Minyip.(The Argus, Tuesday 7 June 1938 p 5 Family Notices.)
(2) Could take years to find the link.
(3)We take the following from the Sunbury News :-As a result of the special land board, held at the Lands office, the whole of the Arundel and Annandale portions of the Overnewton estate were allotted to settlers, and not one-half of the applicants for blocks could be supplied. The land was subdivided into 22 holdings of areas
ranging from seven to 122 acres, with values ranging from £185 to £1,175, and in the case of the homestead, £3,100, the total value being about £16,000. - Altogether 50 applicants appeared before the board, and these, it was shown by their applications, were worth, on an average, about £300 each, in a number of cases being persons worth over £1,000. Evidence of the applicants was taken, and great difficulty was experienced in determining between the claims in many cases.
The following were successful: Block 1,66a., Patrick Fox, Keilor; block 2, 61a.,T. L. Andeason, Bacchus Marsh; block 3, 52a., J. Angus, Moonee Ponds; block 4, 59a., E. Angus, Moonee Ponds; block 5,70a., A. Wallace, Cranbourne; block 6,80a., J. Buchanan, Launching-place; block 7, 86a., A. Williamson, Moonee Ponds; block 8, 113a., Elizabeth Williamson, Moonee Ponds; block 9, 120a., M.Geraghty, Keilor; block 10, 114a., G.Woods, Longwarry; block 11, 32a., C.Youren, Albert Park; block 12, lla., J.M'Farlane, South Yarra; etc.
(P.3, The Bacchus Marsh Express, 16-12-1905.)
Dad, Jim Gibb, was a full forward who played for Bunyip and was only displaced as full forward in the pre 1940 team by the great Wally Toy (who I presume was Barry's dad.) Dad also played for Longwarry so I could not be accused of favouritism when I umpired a Bunyip v Longwarry game. My older brother,Ken, who attended Bunyip State School and has contributed much to Bunyip's historical record, wasn't a bad footballer but after dad moved to Melbourne to work at Krafts,he was one of several Essendon High School students faced with the impossible task of stopping University High's full forward who was to create history as Hasting's Deadshot Jack (John Coleman.)
It would be hard to imagine Bunyip's modern teams being competitive against the river of little fish (Traralgon), even in the Ablett era (yes,I follow the Ellinbank results), but an un-named Gibb was a prominent member of a team that did give them a run for their money,after a sluggish start.
The final result was-Traralgon, 8 goals 12 behinds ; Bunyip, 5 goals 5 behinds.
For Traralgon J. Wright played a splendid game. Bermingham, Abbott, Peart, M'Lean, Doorty, Groves and Thomas also did splendidly. Bunyip have splendid footballers in Roffer, Gibb, Hansen*, Rowen, M'Namara and Goyder. Warner umpired the game impartially, but he allowed the players too much liberty.(Traralgon Record (Traralgon, Vic. : 1886 - 1932) Friday 3 August 1906 p 3 Article)
*See VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS: PAST AND PRESENT re the 1888 pioneer of Bunyip.
ENCOUNTERED A BULL. Bunyip, 3rd February.
Mr. W. Gibb,butcher, had an experience of an exciting nature on Wednesday. He was driving a bull, and in jumping from his horse to turn the animal it rushed at him, compelling him to take refuge in a tree. There be was kept for an hour and a half, until assistance came, and the animal was driven off.(Bendigo Advertiser (Vic. : 1855 - 1918) Monday 6 February 1905 p 5 Article)
AT WILSON'S HOTEL,BUNYIP.
Unsold Portion of that fine Property Known as GIBB'S PADDOCK, containing abou108 Acres, Fronting the GARFIELD ROAD, Within-3 Minutes' Walk of BUNYIP RAILWAY STATION. Rich Soil, Suitable of CULTIVATION, GRAZING, FRUITGROWING, MARKET GARDENING &c.
Splendid crops of potatoes and all other vegetables Grown on This Year by Messrs.WALKER and MORRISON.
TITLE, Crown Grant.
BERNARD MICHAEL,Is instructed hy Mr. A. J. GIBB, who has disposed of his business, and Is leaving the district, to SELL by PUBLIC AUCTION, practically without reserve, his choice property, as above.(The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 24 April 1915 p 3 Advertising)
By the time my holidays at Bunyip started there was no more a Gibb presence in the area but the family was still associated with the Wycheproof area. My brother and I had great fun making sparks on the trip home from Wyche in the dark with the quartz that lined the railway line that ran up the middle of its main street. Another notice gives Charnwood road as the location of Jessie's St Kilda residence in 1928.
GIBB-In sad and loving memory of our dear Jessie, who departed this life at St. Kilda, on the 23rd October, l928. Lovingly remembered. -(Inserted by her mother, sisters, and brothers,Wycheproof, Sealake, Bunyip, Garfield, and St. Kilda.)
GIBB-In loving thought and memory of our dear sister and aunt, Jessie, formerly of Wycheproof, who passed away at Coongy, St. Kilda, on the 23rd October, 1928. (P.1, Argus, 23-10-1929.)
Another excursion when we were very young was a walk from 63 North St to the end of Epsom Rd to see Polly Stagg, who was related on the Gibb side*, at the Waterloo Cup Hotel. Polly was a nickname of course. As in her framed photo, Polly wore her hair in a bun on her crown.
STAGG. — On December 13, at her residence, Waterloo Cup Hotel, Moonee Ponds, Mary Catherine, loved mother of Bill and Alex, grandmother of Bob and Ken, great-grandmother of Sue and Colin. —A wonderful mate.
(P.14, Argus, 14-12-1949.)
*RANKIN. –On the 17th September, at the residence of her daughter (Mrs. M. C. Stagg),Waterloo Hotel, Moonee Ponds, Margaret,widow of the late A. D. Rankin, of Bunyip, loving mother of Sarah (Mrs. Gibb, Bunyip),Maggie (Mrs. Davies, Adelaide), Pollie (Mrs.M. C. Stagg), Will Greig (Albert Park), and Yarrie (Mrs. Tanswell, Moonee Ponds), loving grandmother of Will and Alex Stagg, Zeneta Davies, James Gibb, and Russell Tanswell, aged 74 years.(P.1, Argus,18-9-1924.)
* Dad was named after this pioneer whose name indicates an earlier connection with the Rankins. Dad's mother, Sarah (Guy's wife)was born a Rankin as shown in the Rankin notice above.
GIBB.--On the 28th February, at his residence,Wycheproof, James Rankin, beloved husband of Christina Gibb, aged 72 years, A native of Auchinlick, Scotland. A colonist of 54 years. Home papers please copy.
The unfortunate fatal accident causing the death of Mrs. Maisey of Longwarry,has cast quite a gloom over the township,and much sympathy is expressed for the bereaved father and family.
(South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 24 December 1902 p 2 Article)
MAISEY. - On the 10th October, at Ouyen, Bertha, beloved daughter of T. W. Maisey, of Longwarry, sister Mrs. Lewis (Ouyen), brother W.Maisey (Bunyip)*, brother T. Maisey (West Australia**), sister V. Maisey (Ouyen). West Australian papers please copy. (P.1,Argus,21-10-1921.)
Bill Maisey was named on a wing in Bunyip's team of 1902-40.
*See the Roberts entry re Bill Maisey's slaughterhouse.
**It is amazing how many young men from the Mornington Peninsula moved to Western Australia during the depression of the 1890's whose effects were hardly felt in the midst of that colony's gold rush. I wonder how many Bunyip residents had joined the exodus.
Another of Mum's friends was Mrs Nash.
NASH .-- on October 6. at her residence, Nash road, Bunyip, Annie Maud, loved wife of the late Reuben Francis, loving mother of Daphne (Mrs Gooding), Stella, Les and Jack, mother-in-law of Eunice (Nip)and Jack, fond grandma of Lynette, Keith, Beverly. Kay, Peter, and John. (P.19,Argus,7-10-1955.)
Les and Jess Roberts had four boys, Jack, Don, Colin and Billy. Don was a champion footballer and is pictured in a 1955 photo of the team that beat Drouin.
This is the Bunyip team which defeated Drouin last week.
Back (L. to H.): K.Goldie, C. Hales, G.O'Donnell, N. Heatley, M.Phillips, T. O'Dea, K.Russell.
Middle Row: R.Ledger, G. Hoskins, D.Roberts, R. Horley (c.),C. Vanderbist, K. McGhee, R. Manson.
Front Row: B. Smith, J. McGhee, I. McDonald, J.Kavanagh. (P.12, Argus, 8-7-1955.)
The Argus showed Bunyip's vice-captain,Don Roberts, celebrating the victory over Drouin with his wife and young son Geoffrey in an article that explains how Bunyip became giant killers. There are other photos that might be of interest.(BUNYIP, SLING IN HAND, SLAYS THE FOOTBALL GIANTS
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 4 July 1955 p 8 Article Illustrated)
Don later moved to Diamond Creek and with creative landscaping made his above ground poll look like an inground pool. Colin was a ball of laughs. Jack married Molly and lived next door to his parents in Princess St, separated by a vacant allotment in which Billy kept his horse.
My first ride on a horse and Billy's apprenticeship in North St, Ascot Vale.
Billy Roberts,then about 16, owned a thoroughbred horse which grazed on a vacant block between the Princess Street houses of his parents (Les and Jess)and his older brother,Jack Roberts.It had a stable on what was a vacant block to the north of his parents' house,sheltered by a row of pine trees which had probably lines the boundary of an early large township estate. Billy was determined to become a jockey and was eventually apprenticed to trainer Bill Bones whose stables were on the south side of North St,Ascot Vale near East St.
He was proud of his horse and wanted me to enjoy my first ever ride. Against my better judgement, I accepted the invitation, and following his instructions, managed to mount the beast. Despite Billy's instructions,the horse refused to move but a slap on the rump got him moving- at a million miles an hour. In a few blurred seconds he'd covered the length of the paddock despite me almost breaking his neck with the force I generated through the reins, and stopped with his breast almost touching the fence, his head on the other side calmly surveying the grass on offer there while I realised that I was still alive. My second ride was a bareback ride on one of Ben Hall's huge horses that pulled his Cobb and Co. coach in the 1970's.
I know exactly how Mulga Bill felt. Pedal backwards they said!
The Roberts House now seems to be a vacant block on the Google Earth satellite view. It was on the east side of 13 Princess St. I remember thinking how much fun it would be running around number 13 under the veranda,which fully surrounded the house- and still does.Behind Les and Jess's house was an old wooden shed which held as many wonders as a trash and treasure market,including a once-loved bike. I'd never ridden a bike but I reckoned that if I could stand on the pedals,I'd be able to sort it out. Les and Jess mustn't have owned a car because there was no driveway or wide gate,just a narrow path winding to the front gate. I opened the gate and surveyed the culvert (over the ditch that serves as a gutter in West Gippsland),both of which lined up very nicely with Parsons St. Back to the bicycle which I'd previously leaned against the outside of the shed! My pre-flight check complete,it was up,up (down,down actually) and away. A pity I hadn't noticed the absence of brakes! All too easy,thought I as I skilfully negotiated the winding path,the narrow gateway and the culvert.I don't think I saw a single vehicle before I hit the West Gippsland gutter at the bottom of Parsons St and flew over the railway fence. This was probably about 1951 when I was about 8 years old and luckily for me,petrol was probably still in short supply after the war; traffic in Bunyip at that time was far from bumper to bumper. As the bike approached the speed of sound,I spied Wrecker and his fellow louts walking up Parsons St. Sensing my terror (perhaps the scream was a telltale sign) they advised me to pedal backwards,presuming the bike had a foot brake. Unfortunately it didn't;it was a fixed wheel and even slowing the rotation of the pedals was impossible.
Bill Maisey's Slaughteryard. It is possible that the blocks on the north side of Princess St were typical acre blocks 20x 200 metres but township blocks were usually half acres (20x 100 metres)and I think that was the situation. We'd (Johnny "Wrecker" Roberts,my brother and me,perhaps another one or two)walk up the paddock where Billy grazed his horse and then a similar block behind that and perhaps through a Maisey Paddock. The slaughteryard would probably be about 200 metres due north of Jack and Molly Robert's place. I wonder if it's heritage-listed.
John Wrecker Roberts.
Ally Rodgers was a regular visitor to Jess Robert's house. His surname was probably actually Rodger.
From my holidays at Bunyip as a youngster, I seem to recall a Pearson Street or Road.
An accident of a very serious nature occurred to Mr John Pearsson (sic), of Bunyip, on Wednesday last at North Bunyip. It appears that Mr Pearson, who is in the employ of the Shire Council, was engaged with several others in clearing the Tonimbuk-Bunyip road, at Telegraph Hill, and was assisting with a forest devil,which was anchored to a stump, when the cable broke, causing the handle to fly back with terrific force and strike the unfortunate man across the abdomen. He was rendered unconscious for the time being, and later regaining consciousness suffered great pain. Mr W. Browne conveyed the sufferer home, and Dr. Lee, of Warragul was sent for. On arrival the doctor ordered the patient's removal to the Warragul Hospital where he was conveyed by
train the same evening.-"Express." (Kooweerup Sun, Lang Lang Guardian and Cranbourne Shire Record (Vic. : 1918) Wednesday 25 September 1918 p 3 Article)
During our visits to Bunyip, mum used to attend Crazy Whist nights in a hall on the west side of Parsons St and about halfway up the hill. I was only a boy but I remember that two of her friends were Nell Kraft and Mrs McNamara who was very old. I knew nothing about the Kraft family at the time but trove is full of references to the Kraft hall and hotel. As dad had moved from Bunyip, after working at the Longwarry (Butter?) Factory, to work at Kraft near the Flinders St station, my childish imagination led me to believe that the Bunyip family had started Kraft Foods but the Wikipedia entry for the firm makes it clear that this was not so.
A successful fancy dress ????ing carnival was held on Wednesday night, 17th inst., when prizes were won by
the following :—Best fancy costume-Miss Nellie Kraft ; (etc.) (Dandenong Advertiser and Cranbourne, Berwick and Oakleigh Advocate (Vic. : 1914 - 1918) Thursday 25 June 1914 p 2 Article)
My memories of the delightful Church of England involve mum's great friend, Jess Roberts, and Hughie Pound,both stalwarts of the church.
St. Thomas' Church, Bunyip, which is to be opened by the Bishop of Gippsland on Sunday. 28th inst., is indeed a building which the town has every reason to feel proud of. The ceremony will commence at three o'clock, after which a baptismal service will be held. On the same evening a service will also be held.
(South Bourke and Mornington Journal (Richmond, Vic. : 1872 - 1920) Wednesday 24 December 1902 p 2 Article)
PERMEWAN WRIGHT'S FASCINATING CHANGE SYSTEM.
WILLIAM MUNSIE AND ALFRED DEAKIN, THE (CO-) FATHER OF FEDERATION, VIC., AUST. (and his West Bourke fans.)
Should I include William Munsie in my Bulla or Broadmeadows journal? He was a pioneer of the north east side of Deep Creek road, having bought 28 acres 26 perches from John Carre Riddell in 1861; this land in the north east corner of section 7,Tullamarine, was transferred by the grantee,J.P.Fawkner,to Riddell as part of the exchange in which Fawkner became owner of the part of Riddell's section 6 cut off by the road. Being east of Victoria St (now indicated by the northern end of today's Mercer Drive) this was part of Bulla for about a century before becoming part of the Broadmeadows municipality.
Sir Henry Parkes and Alfred Deakin probably deserve equal recognition as the Father of Federation just as Ron Barrassi and Ted Whitten both carried the mantle of Mr Football. One of Fawkner's most ungenerous deeds was his attempt to deprive John Batman acknowledgement of being at least co-founder of Melbourne.
William Munsie didn't make it into the newspapers very often. The following 1887 article is a corker because it mentions many prominent citizens in the far-flung West Bourke electorate. Alfred Deakin had a connection with Tullamarine other than as a parliamentarian. His wife, Pattie (nee Browne), spent her early childhood on Camp Hill (now Gowanbrae)at about the same time that William Munsie settled in Tullamarine.
I'm not sure whether William Munsie's biography even made it into VICTORIA AND ITS METROPOLIS but he is certainly mentioned in Fred Wright's 1888 biography. Let's check DHOTAMA. See COMMENT 1.
The digitisation of the following could not be corrected on trove because the FIX THIS TEXT box could not be seen. I will save it as is,in case the oh noes gremlins are lurking,and fix it later.
RETURN OF MR. DEAKIN. OVERLAND DEMONSTRATIONS.
The Bacchus Marsh Express (Vic. : 1866 - 1918) Saturday 25 June 1887 p 2 Article.EXTRACT ONLY.
The following is a copy of the address:
To the Honourable Alfred Doakin, Barrister-at-.
Law, M.L A., Chief Secretiry ?od., Minister
of Water Supply of the Coloay of Victoria.
Dear Sir,-On behalf of your constituents in the
electorate of West Bourke, of which you are one of
the Parliamentary representatives, we have much.
pleasurein cordially welcoming you on returning to
your native land.
The lmperial Conference recently held in the
capital of the Empire, and of which body you wereo
oneof thedelegates representing the colony of Vic:
toria, will always live in history as the beginningof
a series of similar conferences which will most pro
bably achieve the federation of the Empire in a
manner entirely in consonance with the constitu
tional met hodsof the mother country, and yet leave
thecomponent self-governing cm munities owning_
allegianceto the British throne completelyin poss
ession of their present privileges and rights.
We rejoice to know that you took a very worthy
part in that conference, more especially in respect
to maintaining the inherent tight of Australasian
colonists to enjoy a paramount influence for. all,
time to come in the Southern Pacific and adjacent
We have heard with gratification that Her Ma
jesty's advisers recommended that you shouldl be
offered a Knight Companionslip of the Order of St.
Michael nod St. George, wlhich distinction; however,
you wisely, in our opinion, declined to acceptat the
present stage of your career. .
We have also noticed with satisfaction your?
efforts to promote the success i-f theCentenuial
International Exhibition to be held in Melbourne
in 1888, and we feel assured that your visit -to
Europe, and interchange of ideas and courtesies
with most of the leading statesmen of the present
day cannot but be of mutual advantage to them
and the people they represent and to yourself and
the people of Victoria, in whose service as a legis
lator we trust you may for many years remain.
Wishing you, with Mrs. Deakin and family, long
life and happiness, we beg to subscribe ourselves
your admirers and well wishers.
MARK KYLE, Bacchus Marsh, chairman and
BAcclus MARsn.- Thos. Anderson, J. E. Crook,
Thos. Cain, J.lP., C. Crisp, G. Dickie, J.P., Thos.
BrLacKwooD.-Andrew Buchanan, R. Cameron,
J.P., Jas. Ferguson, J.P., Matthew Rogers. J.P.,
Wmn. Shaw, Benjamin Trewhella, J.P., David
CoIaADAnT.-J. Bourke, G. Burnip, W. Jeffrey,
W. By. MI'Farlane, J. Young.
DARRAWEIT Guosn.-W. J. Lobb, J.P.
ESSENDON AND FLEOIINGTON.--R. C. Barrett,
J.P., J. Connor, J. N. Danugerfield. A. Graham, T.
II. Jennings, J.P, (Mayor) A. I'Lean. J.P., A.
Swan, Jus. Taylor, J. Wilson, J.P. (Mayor). T.
GIsBonNE.-R? . Cantwell, H. R. Dixon, J.
Gardiner, Edward Lansdowno, J.P., J. W. Webb,
KEcL.on.-John Beale, Henry Delahay, Robert
G. Ely, David Milburn, J.P., Wm. Taylor, J.P.
LANCEFIELD.-W. Derrick, Francis Foy, J.P.,
H. L. Galbraith, J.P., R. S. Graham, J.P.,
R. Hemphill, James Lockwood, J.P.
MYRNIo?o.-G. Grant, J.P., R. Hornbuckle, W.
Lyle, J.P., It. Lidgett, T. Low.
MELTON.-A. Blackwood, A. Cameron, T. A.
Grant, W. S. Harkness, J.P., Jus. Kitson, A.
MACEDoN.-Thos. Christian, Chas. Cogger,
George Nicholls, Alfred Turner, William Thomas
No?rT BaLLAN..-Jobn Andrew, Edward Blake,
J.P., John Graham, J. H. Potter, Denis Ryan.
NEwosar.-John Adams, J. T. Anderson,
Richard Adams, Edward Gibbs, John Keating.
RIDDELL8s CREEK.-Robert Dodridge, George
Maxted, Archibald Notman, E. R. Priestly, J.P.
Winm. Somerville, J.P.
RoesEY.-G. Blackburn. W. T. Moffat, J.P., F.
O. Neal, William Wilson, J.P., H. C. White.
SuvN.uty.-John Eadie, J.P., Peter Eadie.
TULLAMARINE.-Wm. Dpwari, WVm. Munsie.
MUNSIE, DEAKIN,PARKES, BROWNE,KYLE, ANDERSON,CROOK, CAIN, CRISP, DICKIE, HEATH?, BUCHANAN, CAMERON,FERGUSON, ROGERS, SHAW, TREWHELLA, WIGHTMAN, BOURKE,BURNIP,JEFFREY,MCFARLANE,YOUNG, BARRETT,CONNOR, DANGERFIELD, LOBB,GRAHAM,JENNINGS,MCLEAN, CANTWELL,DIXON, GARDINER, LANSDOWNE, WEBB, BEALE,DELAHEY, ELY, MILBURN,TAYLOR, DERRICK,FOY,GALBRAITH,GRAHAM, HEMPHILL, LOCKWOOD, GRANT, HORNBUCKLE,LYLE, LIDGETT, LOW, BLACKWOOD,HARKNESS, KITSON, SHEBLER, CHRISTIAN, COGGER, NICHOLLS, TURNER, WILLEY,ANDREW, BLAKE, GRAHAM,POTTER,RYAN,ADAMS, ANDERSON,GIBBS,KEATING, DODRIDGE, MAXTED, NOTMAN, PRIESTLY, SOMERVILLE,BLACKBURN, MOFFAT, O'NEAL, WILSON,WHITE, EADIE, DEWAR,
In THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO, written by Peter Wilson (descendant of Walter Burnham), the late Ray Cairns (then a spring chicken in his seventies) thanked Peter for putting his (Ray's) information into a readable form and expressed the wish that somebody would expand the information contained in the book.
Family tree circles has enabled me to sort out the different White families on the southern peninsula (and Blooming/Bullocky Bob White of Red Hill, due to help from descendants of the lime burning Irish family and the Rosebud/ Red Hill family and help toolaroo write his book about the latter (which is connected to the Cairns family of Clackmannan in Scotland.) I have been also able to bring together family historians who were able to ease the work load and expand what they knew by sharing their knowledge.
Well, Ray's wish has been granted by Cameron Cairns. I hope somebody else is also researching the Cairns family and that person and Cameron can team up to not only expand what each has achieved but also solve those puzzles and dead ends which so often crop up. If this somebody is you,can you private message me with your email address and I will pass it on to Cameron. (P.S. We've already had a lengthy phone chat.) I apologise to Cameron for not reacting re his desire to discover a fellow Cairns researcher earlier; see bold type in the email.
Thanks for your reply.
I have spent today covering most of your journal entries which include references to the Cairns family in Boneo. Your work to date is very impressive, especially the rates and valuations. I recently obtained/downloaded the electronic copies of several of the parish maps available through the State Library of Victoria website
I have Peter Wilson and Ray Cairns' booklet (my second copy). I have been building on that book using the electronic records that would not have been previously available as a means to cross reference and expand the previous work. I have also managed to find a few elderly distant relatives who have been good enough to meet with me and in some cases provide me with copies of some valuable photos (including one of Mary Drysdale, Robert snr's wife, and another with 5 of Robert and Mary's oldest sons)
I grew up in Blairgowrie but now live in Brunswick. I still have family in Blairgowrie and Rye and will probably be down again in the next couple of months, if so it would be good to catch up to exchange notes if possible? Apart from that perhaps I could give you a call sometime in the next week if there was a suitable time and day for you? I would be interested to contact anyone you may know on the Peninsula who is currently researching Cairns family history.
I think I can help you with you the following post: "THE HALF BROTHERS OF THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO: "LYNDFIELD" IN THE PARISH OF LYNDHURST, VIC., AUST" The half brothers and the second marriage in Scotland is something I have been trying to crack which has been a little frustrating to say the least.
Look forward to keeping in touch
As you enter the Rye Cemetery from Lyons St there is a group of old graves about 20 metres ahead on the left of the path. If I remember correctly, three of them relate to the Stenniken family, the first their daughter, Mrs Kennedy (Sarah?) I think the next grave after those three is that of James Campbell Williams*. His sister,Carrie,is either buried in the same grave or the next one. However,there is no mention of their brother, Ted Williams (Edward junior.)The Rye Cemetery Index in the local history room of the Rosebud Library has no mention of Ted either but that is probably because it was compiled from grave inscriptions. The late Ray Cairns told me that Jimmy and his brother died a day apart and cleared up my confusion about Ned Williams. Jimmy's father was Ned and Jimmy's brother was called Ted. So the father was the one who moved the lighthouse to the top of Arthurs Seat and dug the Chinamans Creek canal.
(*James was known as Jimmy the Squid. He collected fishermen's catches which were left on the roadside and transported them to the Mornington Railhead,starting his run from Rosebud West. Isobel Moresby* mentioned that Chinese fishermen used to sell squid on the site of the tennis court (the playground in front of the historic kindergarten.) Perhaps their unsold squid catch was sent to Melbourne or other fishermen were catching squid too. (* ROSEBUD: FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA.)
If Jimmy and Ted died a day apart why was Ted not mentioned on the gravestone? At the age of 100 years and 10 days,Ray Cairns' memory was sensational but every now and then he wasn't certain, and he insisted on being certain as Peter Wilson stated in THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO. He was slightly confused about Carrie and Marion and as I didn't want to distress him,we moved onto other subjects. I spent weeks trying in vain to find confirmation of Jimmy and Ted dying on consecutive days.Now,about two years later,I found it while looking for
"Campbell, Rosebud" re the house near the Rosebud jetty that will have to be demolished for the construction of the much-opposed apartment/cafe; a descendant of George Fountain told me at the Dromana Museum last Sunday (19-1-2014) that a grandson of Melbourne's Lord Mayor,Edward Campbell had built the house.
HERE'S THE CONFIRMATION.
WILLIAMS. - On September 10, at EastBourne, Rosebud West, James Campbell, son of the late Edward and Mary Williams,beloved brother of Edward (died September9, 1947). Caroline, Ellen (Mrs. Connop, de-
ceased), Marion (Mrs. Edmonds, deceased) aged 89 years. -At rest. (P.9, Argus, 11-9-1947.)
EASTBOURNE was the name that Sidney Smith Crispo of the Victorian Coastal Survey gave to his grants at Rosebud West, crown allotments 52 and 44 Wannaeue, bounded on the west by Elizabeth Ave and on the south by Hiscock Rd. The Village Glen now occupies most of the land east of Chinamans Creek except the part of crown allotment 44 south of the freeway reservation. Recently (early 2013?), the Friends of the Tootgarook Swamp opposed filling of the swamp in the St Elmos Close area to extend the village and the gang of six on the council tried to sue Cameron Brown who led the protest.
Edward Williams Snr. came from Sydney in 1855 on a ship whose purpose was to survey Port Phillip Bay. The Burrells of Arthurs Seat must have invited the officers to some hospitality and Ned,as he was usually called, probably helped to row them ashore as he obviously enjoyed hospitality with the servants.
One of the servants was Mary Campbell who'd come out with her guardian, Robert Cairns and his wife,Mary (nee Drysdale) in 1852,probably acting as a nanny for the Cairns children. Edward Williams married Mary Campbell. Mary's maiden name was used as Jimmy the Squid's second given name. Young Edward was known as Ted, according to the late Ray Cairns.
Ned was amazingly strong and according to Colin McLear in A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA was a harvester of renown who could scythe an acre of crop in one day and,with Bob White, moved the first wooden lighthouse at today's McCrae to the summit of Arthurs Seat when the present metal lighthouse had been constructed. From 1863, he acted at caretaker of Crispo's grants between Canterbury Jetty Rd and St Johns Rd, Blairgowrie*, until he settled on his own grants straddling Browns Rd just east of Truemans Rd. Ned owned a butchers shop on Butchers Hill at Sorrento which was later sold to George White (of Irish descent and unrelated to the aforementioned Bob White, who like the Cairns family came from the Clackmannan district of Scotland) from whom George St, Sorrento probably got its name. Ned's sons were put in charge of the shop but obviously preferred outdoor life.
(*See my journal THERE WOULD BE NO SORRENTO WITHOUT SIDNEY SMITH CRISPO.)
I had presumed Ned Williams' transfer of his butchering operation from Sorrento to Rosebud was due to increased competition in Coppin's town but it was more likely that the 1890's depression was the cause. It would be interesting to study the Sorrento real estate activity in that decade. As with the 1843 depression, the battlers were affected and many peninsula farmers were forced to desert their farms in the 1890's. However, in both crashes the moneyed classes suffered the greatest losses.Shopkeepers in Sorrento,like in most coastal towns today, made their profits during the tourist season and just kept their heads above water during the rest of the year. If the owners of the clifftop mansions at Sorrento (the bulk of houses mentioned in the Shire of Flinders Heritage Study) were approaching insolvency, the shopkeepers,publicans and guesthouses would also go to the wall.
It has not* been established whether Edward Thomas Williams was Ned or Ted but in any case the butcher shop was certainly lost. (*IT HAS NOW;SEE DEATH NOTICES AT END!) It was probably the assignee who sold it to George White.
COMPULSORY SEQUESTRATIONS. |
Mr. Justice A'Beckett yesterday in the Supreme Court compulsorily sequestrated the estates of-lolm Henry Werner, ol' Rooky Lead, storekeeper, on the application of Mr. Vasey.
Edward Thomas Williams, of Sorrento,butcher, on the application of Mr. Wasley.
I have seen no record of a butchers shop at Rosebud at that time so Edward probably supplied customers from a cutting cart. Crispo died in 1899 at Edward Williams' residence, Eastbourne,so I believe Edward was leasing the property or had received a certificate ending his insolvency, and Crispo, apparently a bachelor,had left the estate to his mate, Ned, or sold it to him on easy terms. Whichever,Ned was able to build the heritage-listed house at 17 William Crescent about half a decade later.
While trying to find a heritage citation for Ned's new Eastbourne homestead, I came across Mike Hast's article about the opening of the Rosebud West Community hub. The summary mentioned William Rd, Blairgowrie so in view of the Crispo/Ned mateship, I checked its location. Sure enough the straight part was one of the main streets of Crispo's village of Manners Sutton (later Canterbury, both names coming from the Governor, Sir John Manners-Sutton who became Viscount Canterbury during his term of office.) So that makes some council officer guilty of TWO acts of historical vandalism! The shire must have resolved to remove the s from the end of street names where it had served a possessive function ('s) and Williams'(Cres., Rd.) from which the apostrophe had been dropped over time became William! It's a pity the know all (who crossed out the s where Peter Wilson, in THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO, had described Ned's house as being at 17 WILLIAMS CRESCENT, didn't ask the council why there was no s at the end of the street name.
NED WILLIAMS' PROPERTIES ON BROWNS RD.
In 1900, Ned's Browns Rd properties were occupied by Edward Connop and in 1910 by John and Marion Edwards of Eastbourne, Dromana. The 1910 assessment is an example of the the reason Cr Terry resigned from council. The shire was nearly broke from the lingering effects of the 1890's depression and Terry was demanding that properties be properly described so that it was clear who owed rates etc. It is unclear whether John and Marion were residing in a house in Dromana named after the Rosebud West farm,but their surname wasn't Edwards, it was Edmonds.
Ned Williams' daughter, Marion,had apparently married Ned Edmonds and one of their daughters had married James Woonton (according to the late Ray Cairns who added that James did road maintenance for the shire.)
In 1919,James had just started leasing the Eagle Ridge site, and the triangular 27A of 20 acres adjoining it on the west,from Ned Edmonds of Boneo. Marion Edmonds was assessed on "94 acres 39A" which John Edwards (sic) had occupied in 1910.
(No wonder Cr Terry was furious! It was 39B of 93 acres 2 roods and 8 perches, and 39A fronting Truemans Rd, consisted of a bit over 83 acres.)
In 1900,Edward Williams was leasing 69 acres of Eastbourne (crown allotment 52) from Crispo. (The rate collector obviously didn't read the death notices.) He apparently owned 170 acres in crown allotments 52 and 44. As c/a 52 in the high and dry area consisted of 141 acres,Ned was not occupying 43 acres of c/a 44 near the swamp.(Probably the land that Alex Crichton added to the Lovie grants.)
Ned was also assessed on the 20 acres of 27A Wannaeue (Melway 169 west half F12 and south east half E12.) The other Browns Rd grants were 27 B (Eagle Ridge Golf Club to bottom of diagonal western boundary* in Melway 252 G1) and c/a 39B (Melway 169 F11 part 10,part E 10,11.)
(*The western border of 27B went due south from the north west corner of Eagle Ridge.)
In 1910,Caroline Williams (Carrie) was assessed on 69 acres in 52 Wannaeue (near Eastbourne Rd),her address,like the Edmonds, being given as Eastbourne, Dromana. She was also assessed on 162 acres in 7A Wannaeue, east of the southern, swampy half of Eastbourne (Melway 169 K6 to Hiscock Rd, adjoining the Eastbourne Primary School site, and fronting Boneo Rd south of a point opposite the Branson St corner.) Alex Crichton of the Glen Lee family had bought part of crown allotment 44 and sold this with John Lovie's grants between Ned's 39B and Eastbourne to Louis Jensen of Blackburn. Alex, who'd been assessed on Lovie's grants for many decades,had moved to Cockatoo.
In 1919 James C.Williams had crown allotment 7 (see Carrie in 1910) and Ted* had 190 acres and buildings part c/a 44 and crown allotment 52. The William Crescent house was of course on c/a 52. Caroline was leasing 69 acres,pt.c/a 44. (* As Ned was 83, I presume that Edward meant Ted.)
CRISPO.On the 13th October, at the residence of Mr. Edward Williams, Eastbourne, Rye, Sidney Smith Crispo, late secretary and paymaster, Admiralty Survey, Victoria, aged 71. Buried at Rosebud????? Cemetery.
(The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 18 October 1899 p 1 Family Notices)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 22 April 1915 p 1 Family Notices
...bsp; affectionate family.) WILLIAMS - In sad and loving memory of my dear wife, and our loving mother, Mary Williams, who died at "Eastbourne," Rosebud, on the 21st April, 1914.
WILLIAMS. On the 12th November, at his residence, Eastbourne, Rosebud, Edward, loved father of Edward, James, Caroline, Ellen (Mrs.Connop), Marion (Mrs. Edmonds, deceased), aged 90 years.
(P.17, Argus, 13-11-1926.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 10 September 1947 p 11 Family Notices
... Eastbourne. Rosebud West, Edward Thomas son of the late Edward and Mary Williams, be- loved brother
(Ted was the Edward Thomas Williams who was insolvent.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 30 April 1949 p 15 Family Notices
... - On April 29, at Dro- mana Community Hospital, Caroline, of Eastbourne, Rosebud West, eldest daughter ..
March 2013 - The Village Glen, Rosebud
March 2013,Issue No 384, Eastbourne by Bergliot Dallas.
The following extract from the VILLAGE GLEN NEWS contains some mistakes but adds some important information, such as Ned making the road around Anthony's Nose in 1866 which I'd forgotten to mention. I'll have to check whether 19 William Crescent could be the original Eastbourne homestead in which Crispo died. There is no rate book evidence that Ned Williams occupied Eastbourne from the 1860's; this might be confusion caused by the author being unaware of Manners-Sutton at Blairgowrie. Bergliot seems to be unaware that there had been two homesteads on Eastbourne, the second, circa 1904 involving Croad and Morse,built for Ned. Probably not having consulted rate books and parish maps, Bergliot assumed that Eastbourne and the Browns Rd. properties adjoined when they were separated by John Lovie's grants,owned from early times by Alex Crichton.There is ample evidence (letters to the editor) that Crispo lived at Eastbourne, which was at times described as being at Rye,the name of Rosebud West not then being used.
Eastbourne Bergliot Dallas
How many of us here at the Village Glen are aware of the existence of Eastbourne, the historic farmhouse located close by at 19 William Street. It was built between 1885 and 1890, when the property comprised almost 200 acres and stretched from Eastbourne Road to Browns Road, roughly between Balaka Street and Elizabeth Avenue.
Edward Williams came from Sydney in about 1860 (ACTUALLY 1855 ACCORDING TO "THE CAIRNS FAMILY OF BONEO"), and was a member of the crew of HMVS, the Survey Ship Victoria. He was later described variously as a contractor, farmer, butcher and yeoman! On the Victoria he met Sidney Smith Crispo, the paymaster who lived at Canterbury
Jetty, Rye. He owned the property that Williams and his family occupied from 1864, but never lived there, and the sale to Williams was only finally concluded in 1899, three weeks prior to Crispo's death from influenza.
Mary Campbell migrated from Stirling, Scotland, in 1852 on the Europa with one of the Cairns families as a nursemaid for their children. On the Mornington Peninsula, she was employed by the Burrells at what had been the McCrae homestead. During this time, she met and married Edward Williams, who was fourteen years her junior. They had five children.
The house is built of local limestone, with exterior walls about 60cm thick. This keeps the temperature inside quite even, neither cold in winter nor hot in summer. W J Croad was contracted as the builder and George Morce did the stone work. There are numerous examples of the work of both these Sorrento men in Portsea, Sorrento and Rye, but the house is certainly unique* in the Rosebud/Tootgarook, area and was named in the Shire of Flinders Heritage Study inventory as a house of local significance.
(* Eleanora Davey Cairns' Eleanora in the grounds of Rosebud Hospital was also built of limestone circa 1904 and is also heritage- listed.)
Edward Williams contributed quite significantly to the settlement and history of the area. He cut the road around Anthonys Nose next to the beach, and undertook the contract to drain the Tootgarook Swamp (as well as most of his pasture), creating Chinamans Creek, so named because a man called Wong-Shing leased the land on the eastern bank of the creek and used it as a market garden for many years around the early 1900s. In Sorrento, opposite the Park, the butchers shop of Williams and Son (Edward and his son, Edward Jnr) traded for many years,and animals from Eastbourne were slaughtered on the site then known as Butchers Hill, on the corner of Hotham Road and George Street.
The old dairy, which was at one time the Eastbourne Butter Factory, can still be seen beside the house. One of the daughters, Caroline (known as Carrie), is remembered as always wearing a black dress, white bonnet and apron, selling eggs and butter. She died aged 90 in 1949, a spinster. Edward and Mary and their children are buried in the Rye Cemetery.
Just in conclusion, Eastbourne might have become part of Federanium, the capital city of Australia if Crispo's plan had been adopted. See:
BONEO AND FINGAL IN 1902, MORNINGTON PENINSULA, VIC ...
Jun 4, 2013 - 'Federanium.' The streets a mile and two miles long. S: 8. CRISPO ... BONEO. Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 17 May 1894 .