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Doug Ackerly's "Coleman" has recently been published. My aim here is to provide information that is not available in wikipedia or Doug's book.
Both played for Tyabb but in another game
Young Jack's stratospheric leaps and tons won far more fame.
When he first trained with Hastings, their offer he'd refuse
(To give him stops for better grip): "Not in my good shoes!"*
Did he squat in Hasting's goal square as he did at Windy Hill,
Nonchalantly chewing gum thrown by adoring fans, until
Rising with the speed of light from his haunches
He led into one of his spectacular launches?**
In one of Hasting's matches he was sorely pressed,
Kicking only eight; only A.Coleman was among the best.
Hastings won two premierships, won them back to back,
And Argus readers read of the feats of the "Standard's" Deadshot Jack.
(Trove, Tyabb Cricket Club website and Wikipedia. *George Slocombe,the Hastings coach.
** Fraser had felt his pulse quicken as a 10-year-old at Windy Hill when Essendon's on-ballers would win the football, Coleman would crouch in the goal square ready to explode like a sprinter from the blocks, and all in the Reynolds Stand would stamp their feet on the floorboards in anticipation. "It was just so exciting." I had written the poem before I saw Ken Fraser's account. It proves I wasn't dreaming!
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/john-coleman-book-has-everything-except-the-answer-to-goalkickings-mystery-20140528-zrr54.html#ixzz3B2NQea9E)
John Coleman did not forget Hastings when he hit the big time. Albert was invited to play with Richmond but that must have been when he suffered his injury.
PAGE 16.-THE STANDARD, Thursday, October 27, 1949.
Hastings Acclaims John Coleman. District's Great Tribute to Champion Forward.
Last Friday was a "Red Letter Night" for Hastings when a very big percentage of the town and district population attended at the Hastings Hall to officially welcome home the former local champion goalkicker, John Coleman, at a ball arranged in honor of his triumphant first season with Essendon League team, where he kicked the record of 100 goals, and stamped his claims as the greatest Victorian goalkicker of all time.
Prominent amongst the visitors were Messrs....W. French (senior Vice-President and Life Member of Essendon League Club, and an Essendon Club official for 42 years), who was accompanied by Billy Hutchinson, first rover;
George Hassell, champion wingster; and Bob Syme, first ruckman of the Essendon League team. Popular Mr. and Mrs. A. E.Coleman, the proud parents of the champion, were accompanied at the function by their other son,
Albert, who was also a fine footballer till he suffered a knee injury. Mr. Coleman, Senr., was a good footballer with teams in the Wangaratta-Albury district many years ago.
A surprising feature of the night-and the only regrettable one was the almost complete absence of representatives of most M.P.F.L. clubs, other than Hastings, and also the non-attendance of any members of the Shire Council, although the Shire President and two Councillors live in Hastings, and Centre Riding
Councillors reside close by in the Somerville-Tyabb area. However, the hall was packed to capacity by a crowd that found great delight in all the proceedings, and danced till 1 o'clock to splendid music by Neil Whitford's
Rhythm Trio (Sorrento). Warrant-Officer McKenzie (F.N.D.)proved himself the most efficient M.C. seen at Peninsula functions for a very long time. The function was exceptionally well organised, due mainly to the work
of Mr. Mayne, Hastings Club treasurer.
The hall was appropriately decorated with seven large premiership pennants won by Hastings Club, three of these being for the three last seasons, and due in large measure to Coleman's ability in front of goals. About
200 miniature club' pennants, large balloons, and a floral-decked, stage completed a fine picture of public appreciation.
Torchlight -Procession.. .
The opening of the "Welcome Home Ball" was preceded by a torchlight procession from the Hastings Hospital, headed by the Mornington Town Band, and followed, by the Hastings Fire Brigade members, in full uniform,
...A Great Reception.
John Coleman received a great ovation as he entered the hall, all present standing to sing ''For He's a Jolly Good Fellow," and giving three mighty cheers. Mr. Mayne expressed regret that Mr. Wallace Sharland, who
was to have made the presentation to John Coleman, was unable to attend on account of illness.
Mr.Mayne thanked all donors towards the present for Coleman, and the Mornington Town Band for giving its services free. He also thanked the Ladies' Committee for the' grand job they had carried out in connection with the supper arrangements.
Mr. Percy Wilson (captain of the Hastings Football Club), who made the presentation to John Coleman, of a bag of golf clubs valued at ?40, said that night's entertainment had been organised by the Hastings Football Club
and admirers of John Coleman in honor of the wonderful record he had put up this year, and during the past two seasons. Hastings had never had a more popular player said Mr. Wilson, and John still came along to all club
functions as a Hastings player, just as he did when he took the field with the local team. He then presented John with the golf equipment, expressed the hope that he would be as good a golfer* as he had been a footballer, and wished him every success in the world. The Band again played "For He's a Jolly Good Fellow," and the hall rang with cheers.
(*As a golfer John made some good cricket scores. See P.22,Argus,4-8-1955.)
John Coleman, in responding thanked all concerned for a very fine gift. He would remember and appreciate this evening for many years to come. He thanked Mr. Mayne for the way he had organised the function, and also
the Hastings Club generally. It gave him great pleasure to see so many Peninsula faces in the gathering.
Mr. W. French (Senior Vice President, Essendon League) expressed great pleasure at being present. He said he would like to mention at the outset that Essendon had not "taken John Coleman off Hastings," for Coleman
had played first with the Essendon District Juniors, which team was holding its presentation night in the Masonic Hall, Essendon, that same night. He (Mr. French) had been told long ago by an official of that team, that "there is a kid here, who will be the greatest forward of all time." He (Mr. French) was sure John was
going to be the greatest forward of all time, and he was the "King of Essendon" as far as public popularity goes in that city. Essendon's gain had been Hastings' loss, but it would have been a pity to have kept a great player like John in Hastings. If it had not been for his great team spirit, in co-operating with his team
mates, John could easily have got 130 or 140 goals for his first League season, instead of 100,said Mr. French. He assured them that Essendon would look after John, and he hoped Hastings would produce another player of
his calibre for future play with the 'Dons'.
A Popular Song
During the evening pleasing songs were rendered over the 'mike'" by the talented Hastings vocalist, Mr. Dave Ward. One that "brought the house down" was the following parody (tune"Four Leaf Clover" chorus) written in the hall by the Standard representative:- "
There's not a goalman like our John Coleman,
That we've ever seen, before.
Each kick is dead-shot, and goals
come like rain,
Tired, are the scorers who can't
stand the strain;
No need explaining, one w're entertaining.
Is somebody we adore;
There's not a goalman like our
That we've ever seen before.
Another Coleman Trains At Richmond
By PERCY TAYLOR
ALBERT COLEMAN, whose full forward brother is doing so well at Essendon, trained at Richmond last night, but has promised to train with his brother on Tuesday. Richmond was much impressed by Coleman, "who is a 6ft l 1/2in. half-back, with heaps of football in him. There is a feeling that he will prefer to play with his brother, but Richmond hopes to see him again.(P.16,Argus, 25-3-1949.)
Albert was obviously too busy as an orchardist to train very much but he did play in Essendon's practice match soon after.* Before I forget, I must mention two of last night's incidental findings. Albert was a former schoolmate of Harry Beitzel and Harry Caspar. The former was a successful field umpire and broadcaster and Caspar, who transferred from Northcote to Carlton was the man who cost John Coleman four matches and Essendon a premiership. The school which Albert and these two attended together has not yet been found. Was it University High School? Jack Simpson from Doutta Stars became a labour politician who held the State seat of Niddrie for many years.
*COLEMAN PLEASES IN ESSENDON MATCH
By PERCY TAYLOR " "
JOHN COLEMAN, much discussed Hastings full forward, played at Essendon for the first time on Saturday, and proved to be just as good a footballer as expected. A large crowd came specially to see Coleman, and they were
well rewarded. He is fast, leads out well, marks safely, and is a most accurate kick, scoring seven goals from seven kicks.Although he is 6ft 2in in height, he does not carry much weight*,which might be a drawback in
Simpson, 6ft 4in, came from the Doutta Stars, and played so well in the junior match that he was taken out and included in the senior game. He could easily go further. Others to shape well were Mccallum (seconds), Calder
(Wonthaggi), who worried Leehane; McGilvray (Gunbower), Luck (Shepparton), Williams(Moonee Valley),Illingsworth
(district full-forward), and Donovan (seconds). A. Coleman (brother of Jack) has ability, but he is "short of a gallop." (P.17, Argus, 28-3-1949.)
Another incidental find last night was that John Coleman had broken Hastings' record for goals in a season set by John McMillan. To say that John Coleman did not carry much weight was actually an understatement as shown by a photo of McMillan and John Coleman both of whose families had lived in the south west of Victoria. I wonder if Doug had this photo in his book. See photo in the following accompanying the text which is supplied below in italics:
Dunrobin Football Team (1921) - Glenelg & Wannon Settlers
John Angus "Jack" McMILLAN, son of John and Florence McMILLAN (nee McGUINESS).
Mr McMillan was a member of the Footscray Seconds first premiership side in 1936. He came to the club from Hastings in that year and played four senior games before breaking his wrist. A full forward, he held the goal kicking record at Hastings for 13 years before it was broken by John Coleman in 1947 with 136 goals. Mr McMillan?s record was 119 goals established in 1934. Born in Casterton, Mr McMillan was from a family of nine children.
A primary school teacher, Mr McMillan had been actively associated with sports administration. He was coach of the Victorian Schoolboys football team in 1955 and 1962 and was manager of the side in 1968. He was also on the Council and the committee of the Kooyong Lawn Tennis Association. Mr McMillan was a member of the City of Hawthorn Lodge No 363, and had been Secretary of the Gould League of Bird Lovers for the 11 years prior to his death in 1969.
Thanks to Libby McMillan for the above images.
RUNS IN COLEMAN FAMILY
Alan (sic) Coleman, brother of Essendon League football champion, John, kicked another six goals for Hastings on Saturday to make his total for three games 22. In this period his team has scored 32 so Coleman's feat is equal to, if not better than, some performed by his now better-known brother, John, who were both former
residents of Port Fairy. Coleman's father, a former manager of the Port Fairy butter factory, residing at Tyabb, when asked to compare Alby with John, replied, "Alby hasn't had the chance John has had, on account of
trouble. I would not say that he is better than John, but without injury he would be just as good. When asked if Alby would go to the 'big game,' Coleman, senr., said, He doesn't intend to carry on with football. He is looking after an orchard and has his hands full. (P.2,Portland Guardian,26-6-1950.)
John Coleman was such a sensation that every time somebody kicked a bag he was touted as the new John Coleman. Most of them,such as the Spotswood lad that was invited to train with Williamstown, are unknown to me. However this article is of interest to me for two reasons. Firstly, John and Alby's father,Albert Ernest Coleman, had been a noted player in the Albury area and secondly Ken Smale had been the coach of East Shepparton in 1970 when I was on the V.F.L. list and umpired one of their games.
BULLDOGS CHASE NEW "JOHN COLEMAN"
Wimmera League's "John Coleman," Ken Smale, was interviewed today by Mr.Roy Russell, secretary of Footscray Football Club. Mr Russell made a special trip to Warracknabeal to do so. Smale, who is only 19,would have been Wimmera League's leading goal-kicker last season but for National Service training. He kicked 10 goals for
Warracknabeal against Murtoa on Saturday. Smale is similar in build to Essendon star John Coleman. He is 6ft. tall and a brilliant high mark. (P.9, Argus, 12-5-1953.)
Ken kicked 98 goals in 60 games with Collingwood and was belatedly made a life member of the club. See:
Pies honour Smale fo life | The Wimmera Mail-Times
Nov 4, 2008 - WARRACKNABEAL football living legend Ken Smale has been awarded a belated life membership to Collingwood Football Club. Smale, 78 ...
Doug Wade grew up in the Wimmera with Ken Smale as one of his heroes.
My all time hero was John Coleman but guys like Ted (Jarrard)and Kenny Smale who was from Warracknabeal weren't far behind him. Kenny played in three Grand Finals, including the famous 58 side.
(KEN PIESSE FAVOURITE SON'S FROM THE WIMMERA
A PORT FAIRY PERSPECTIVE.
THE role Port Fairy played in the life and times of an Australian sporting legend has seen the town take up a prominent place in a new e-book.
Former Essendon champion the late John Coleman is the subject of the e-book, Coleman: The Untold Story of an AFL Legend, which has been written by former Heywood man and author Doug Ackerly.
The e-book is a prelude to a full biography about Coleman that Ackerly will release next April.
The release of the e-book coincided with the unveiling of the Avenue of Legends at the MCG yesterday of which Coleman was a part.
In the e-book, Port Fairy is the central location on the chapter which focuses on Coleman's early life.
The chapter explains how Coleman's parents moved to Port Fairy in 1922 when his father was appointed as the manager of the Port Fairy Cheese, Butter and Ice Factory in Gipps Street.
The young couple wasted no time in starting a family, with daughters Lawna and Thurla and oldest son Albert.
John Douglas Coleman was then born on November 23, 1928, with the story behind his second name an interesting one.
It appears his mother was struggling to find a second name when Sunday school teacher Ruth Engish suggested Douglas, which was the name of the guest house she ran in Gipps Street opposite the Colemans home.
Football was always a part of John Coleman's life as he and his brother would play football matches with the Pevitt boys, Frank and Don, along what was a then small back road covered in grass called Regent Street.
The book says the Pevitt boys remember John Coleman as a talented footballer but with an extremely competitive nature.
John Coleman may never have played official competition with the Port Fairy Seagulls, but these early games of street football give Port Fairy some right to the claim the town was the first step in his decorated football career.
The Colemans stayed in Port Fairy until January 1939 before moving to Melbourne.
(Legends link to Port Fairy | Moyne Gazette
ONE GAME WONDER.
A great fan of Daryl Pittman's THE LOCAL FOOTY SHOW ON C.31 (digital channel 44), I remember seeing this story on the show some time ago. No doubt local residents named Coleman attended the game.
Was John Coleman the greatest forward ever to ever play ...
In early December 2012 I stumbled on a small article that appeared in the Argus on 8th October 1951 titled Win Ends Country Dispute. The article covered various country matches and finished with:
Freighters, runners up in the Federal District League, were defeated by North Albury in a match in aid of the local team at Albury on Saturday. Essendon full forward John Coleman kicked five goals for Freighters. Other Essendon players took part in the game. Final scores North Albury 17.25 Freighters 17.9?.
I couldn't believe what I had found. The great John Coleman played for a Heatherton side! This was just a week after Essendon lost the 1951 Grand Final to Geelong. Coleman didn't play as he was reported in the final home and away game of the season and sensationally suspended for 4 weeks. It seemingly cost the Bombers the flag as they went down by just 11 points.
It just didn't make sense that the great John Coleman could have played with a local outfit and why did it only receive a few lines at the end of another article, especially given his fame and the recent events of that year?
I began trawling the internet and books on John Coleman without success. My next port of call was searching the newspaper archives at the State Library Victoria (SLV).
In a hard copy edition of the Border Mail 6th October 1951, I won the research equivalent of 1st Division in lotto. I found an advertisement and an article for the game and not only was John Coleman listed to play but also Bill Hutchison and Alan Dale (Essendon), Alan Ruthven (Fitzroy), Charlie Sutton (Footscray), Kevin Curran (Hawthorn) and Ted Jarrod (North Melbourne). What a side! I quickly turned to the Monday edition to see the photographs of these legends wearing our club colours. It was disappointing to discover that there were no photographs, just a two paragraph report of the game.
Big Crowd Sees Coleman At Albury
?North Albury combine defeated Freighters (Melbourne Federal League) by 17 points at Albury sports ground on Saturday. Gate takings were ?144.
Champion Melbourne goal kicker John Coleman got five goals for the visitors, and repeatedly drew the applause of the crowd for breath-taking leaps.
Final scores were North Albury 17.26 (128), Freighters 17.9 (111).
Best Players Freighters : Hutchison (Ess), Reeves (Nth M), Coleman, Sheppard, Tilley and Reid.
I grabbed the Moorabbin News and located the Freighters Club notes by ?H.C.J?. in the edition issued the week after the game.
Freighters Club (By ?H.C.J.?)
The Federal District League received a great boost when Freighters played Nth Albury football team during our visit to Albury last week-end. Our club was very fortunate in securing four league players, namely John Coleman, Bill Hutchison, Alan Dale and John Reeves. These players gave the game a great kick, and were a great attraction to the crowd that witnessed the game.
The marketeers? of the game were obviously making sure a good crowd rolled through the gate with the extra star players notes in the Border Mail article and the advertisement. Still, the Freighters team contained three Essendon premiership players and John Reeves who played in North Melbourne's losing 1950 grand final team which would have made for a more than handy side. Unfortunately, we returned Alan Dale back to Essendon slightly damaged, he received a nasty knock and suffered two broken ribs during the game.
So who was the greatest forward to ever play for Heatherton?
As mentioned before Doug Wade regarded John Coleman as the greatest player he had seen. Another with the same opinion was a player who rivalled his hero as a spectacular high flying aerialist. I loved this Fitzroy player who filled a void when John Coleman's career was cut short. As a young Bomber supporter, I could share in the excitement of Tony Ongerello's screamers, safe in the knowledge that they would be unlikely to result in a goal to hurt the Bombers (unlike Ray Poulter's huge torps from centre half forward for Richmond.)Leigh Matthews is generally regarded as the greatest-ever footballer,but not in the opinion of Tony,the last man to kick goals using place kicks. Some of Tony's screamers are shown on the following website,from which Tony's opinion is reproduced in italics.
OWAAT ? One Week at a Time ?Tony Ongarello: A ...
On Coleman, Tony is adamant. ?He is the greatest player to have played the game. He could do it all: he was quick, skilful, could jump and mark, was tough, but fair. He was without peer. I played in the game before his last. He kicked 14 goals on us and was untouchable. He would repeatedly jump and take the most sublime marks. Easily the greatest player I have seen.?
Later, when discussing the Brisbane Lions coaching predicament and board troubles, Leigh Matthews was mentioned.
?He would be Coleman?s competitor wouldn?t he?? I said.
?In what way?? he responded.
?As the best.?
?Not as far as I?m concerned. Matthews is one of the game?s greatest players, but to my mind Coleman stands alone.?
The game following his 14 goals against Fitzroy, Coleman would kick 5 against North Melbourne before dislocating his knee. He would never play again.
It is easy to see why Tony Ongarello was such a fan of John Coleman, they played similarly. There are differences of course, and the main one is clearly that Coleman was an elite kick. In his 131 games, Tony is credited with kicking 247 goals, but the records don?t show how many behinds he kicked. According to those who saw him, there were many.
COLEMAN NOT PICKED IN VICTORIAN TEAM TO PLAY WESTERN AUSTRALIA IN 1952!
Imagine my surprise to find that John Coleman had not been named in the team. There was a very good reason and it had nothing to do with his form.
John will be the draw
By HUGH BUGGY
Star League forward John Coleman was not omitted from the Victorian State side because of loss of form. He was left in the Essendon team to play in Brisbane on June 14 as the game's greatest drawcard. This opinion was
expressed by several League club officials last night. They said the whole object of the match between Essendon and Geelong in Brisbane was to promote the Australian game in the northern State.
To play a game there without John Coleman, they added, would be like playing a Test match without Lindwall and Miller. These officials agreed that Jock Spencer, North Melbourne forward, was now quite as competent as Coleman, but Spencer was not yet the big-name player that Coleman is. Coleman in five games this year has kicked 24 goals for Essendon. Spencer, in six games, has scored 23.
They said the prowess of Coleman as a goal-kicker was well known to all followers of football in Brisbane.
His record as the first League forward to kick 100 goals or more in his first two seasons was as familiar
to them as it was to Victorian fans. Officials said that as the "away" round was solely a propaganda effort, Brisbane would be keen to see Coleman in action. (P.8,Argus,4-6-1952.)
N.B. John kicked 13 goals!
Essendon crushes Geelong at Brisbane COLEMAN GETS THIRTEEN IN GREAT WIN Brisbane, Monday
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Tuesday 17 June 1952 p 8 Article.
JOHN MARRIES HIS "FINANCE".
Yes,that's what Monica Fernando of Merlynston was called when their engagement was announced in 1954! The crush outside the church when they married was described in graphic detail in the following article which has poor quality photos of the crowd and the newlyweds. (P.1,Argus,4-3-1955.)
OH THE PAIN!
I went to Kensington Central School where two of my mates were Reg. and Max Fairchild who barracked for South Melbourne. Reg.was a good-enough footballer to have attracted the attention of North Melbourne while at the Central School (form 1 and 2)and Max will be well-remembered as Beau in the Beaurepaire Tyre advertisements. They'd told me they were going to the match at the Lakeside Oval and when the Bombers lost despite John Coleman kicking eleven goals straight (not mentioned in the following report) they were the last people I wanted to see because I knew I'd get a ribbing. Sure enough they were waiting to gloat when we entered the subway at the station.
COLEMAN 11, BUT-
Speedy South earns 10-point win
By PERCY TAYLOR
SOUTH MELBOURNE'S tigerish finish gave it a sound 10-points victory over Essendon in a game of high standard on Saturday. South's pace, plus the varying fortunes of the sides, thrilled the 30,000 spectators.John Coleman, who kicked 10 goals for Essendon on the opening day, gave another exhilarating display to kick 11 brilliant goals. But despite his dominance, Essendon failed elsewhere. Its defence, in particular, became slack, and crumpled beneath the persistent and pacy play of the southerners. On Saturday's form South could do well this season. South was the dominant side for three quarters, due to high-flying and fast ruckmen, fast and clever rovers, and a forceful and high marking lot of half forwards. Essendon held control in two of the three centre line positions all day, but its forwards, with the exception of Coleman, did not take full advantage of it. etc. (P.10,Argus,4-5-1953.)
JOHN'S LAST SCREAMER.
And is this his last great mark?
This could be the last of Coleman's fabulous marks-it was taken in Saturday's game-that stamped him as a champion. (P.1,Argus,7-6-1954. A GREAT PHOTO which shows clearly that John did not need opponents' backs to gain elevation.)
UNIVERSITY HIGH SCHOOL.
It has been said that John Coleman was a "middling" high jumper and Ron Clarke said he would have been more successful as a triple jumper because he could take off on either foot. He was the Open champion of Uni High in both.
TWO RECORDS AT UNIVERSITY HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS
J. Nuttall won the 880 yards in record time of 2min 7 3-10sec at the University High School sports at Royal Park yesterday. G. Harry broke the long jump record in under 16.
BOYS' EVENTS: Open: 830 Yds: J. Nuttall. 2.7 3-10. Hurdles: J Coleman. 100 Yds:K. Kube. 220 Yds: H. Dowd.
High Jump.J. Coleman. Hop, Step, Jump. J. Coleman. etc. (P.14, Argus, 17-10-1946.)
Uni High could beat most opponents in footy but the most satisfying victory was always over Melbourne High and these were more common in the 1950's when Uni High's side was stacked with players such as Ron Carruthers, Barry McAuliffe,John Booth, Viv. Peterson, Bobby Clark, the Keddie twins,Terry Rodgers (who beat John's goalkicking record), Graeme Leydin, Graeme Beissel, Ron Evans (imported from Caulfield Grammar), etc., etc., etc.
Good Win For U H S At Carlton
UNIVERSITY HIGH. 14 gls 11 bhds (95) MELBOURNE HIGH . 9 gls 3 bhds (57)
For the first time in six years University High School defeated Melbourne High School in a football match at Carlton yesterday. A return match will be played on August 7.Best: University High: Coleman (5), Plumridge (4), Boyd (2). Melbourne High: Balson, Dunn, Witherow.(P.13, Argus, 25-7-1946.
John Coleman, captain University High School, trained at Essendon last night. He is a district boy, aged
only 17, 6ft lin, and 12 1/2 st. He should be a player next season.(P.9, Argus, 21-8-1946.)
I speculated earlier that John Coleman, Harry Beitzel and Harry Caspar had all attended University High School.
This has been confirmed by Harry Beitzel himself in a pop-up (click on the carictature of Harry Beitzel) on the following website, found in a Harry Caspar search. Harry Caspar's career at Carlton had a break in 1954,the reason being that he was playing for Sorrento and was married in New Zealand in that year. Harry was working at Portsea in early 1953 and the Sorrento Football Club tried to sign him but the Carlton Football Club refused permission, obviously later relenting. Harry was one of many footballers to move to the beautiful Mornington Peninsula. Not surprising because he seems to have been living at Sorrento before he started playing for Northcote, according to another Carlton webpage (given in italics later.) Another pop-up on this website reports his death at Rosebud.
CASPAR, Harry : Blueseum - Online Carlton Football Club ...
HARRY CASPAR.(Google "Harry Caspar, Mahoney".)
From Post Office Directories of Melbourne Thaddeus Mahoney was a storekeeper and hardware dealer of 30 Queensberry Street, Carlton from 1862 until 1866. After this date the family appears at several addresses through Carlton, and Prahran until around 1884. There were ten surviving children all growing up, and only two were married before the father died.
Thaddeus was aged just 59 years when he died at Neil Street, Melbourne, on the 6th of February 1879 of general exhaustion and disease of the liver. Jane O'Mahony died just five years later of Dropsy and Chronic Inflammation of the Liver on the corner of Newry Street and St Georges Road in Fitzroy on the 23rd March 1884, aged 50 years.
Both were buried together in the Roman Catholic Section of R/C I 391 in Melbourne General Cemetery. Their youngest was also buried there as Eliza had died in 1880.
Jane had left a family of nine living children and most married just before or just after her death. The pair of Thaddeus and Jane have left a large family of descendants who have married into many of the other families of Carlton and North Melbourne.
Some of the descendants of Thaddeus and Jane were footballers, and played for Carlton. One great grandchild of the couple was Harry CASPAR, who was involved in a punch up with the great full forward John COLEMAN. That John Coleman / Harry Caspar fight in the goal square cost Essendon the Grand Final when both were suspended for four weeks. Without Coleman, Essendon lost the 1951 Grand Final to Geelong by 11 points. The Essendon supporters have not forgotten it, and never forgiven it.
Harry George CASPAR b. 4 Nov 1926 North Carlton, Vic. m. 6 Mar 1954 New Zealand. d. 1 Jul 1988 Rosebud, Vic.
June Lesley EGINTON b. 1930
Descendants of Harry and June were born at Mornington from 1957 and later at Rosebud as late as 1996. They are listed on this website.However, despite the Caspar name being mentioned in connection with the South Mornington Football Club, Harry was probably living near Sorrento,perhaps at Blairgowrie. These births and Harry's death were probably at the Mornington and Rosebud hospitals. Harry is buried in good company at the Sorrento cemetery.
IN GOOD COMPANY
John McCarthy is buried on a small rise in the middle of the Sorrento Cemetery.
Tucked away in scrubland on the edge of the Mornington Peninsula coastline, the graveyard is filled with notable figures.
Barry ?Hooker? Harrison, who tagged Ron Barassi out of the 1958 Grand Final, is just a few metres from McCarthy?s grave.
A bit further along you?ll find Harry Caspar, the Carlton full back Essendon fans blame for John Coleman?s suspension at the end of the 1951 season which cost them the premiership.
There?s also Percy Cerutty, the athletics trainer who coached Herb Elliott to the 1500m gold medal at the 1960 Rome Olympics, and Prime Minister Harold Holt?s wife Dame Zara Bate.
( Remembering John McCarthy | Herald Sun
F - Australian Cemeteries
CASPAR, Harry George, 1/7/1988, 61, June, buried with son Phillip J Casper (sic).
Phillip, Harry and June's son, was only 11 years old.
The following webpage explains why John Coleman lost it when he was punched. He had a boil on the back of the neck and that was the target his former Uni High schoolmate aimed at! Harry Caspar supposedly was originally from Sorrento so this could mean that he stayed with relatives each weekend during his career with Northcote. Amazingly,one of his sons played with Essendon Reserves.
Harry Caspar : Blueseum - Online Carlton Football Club ...
Jun 5, 2013 - Originally from Sorrento, Caspar later joined VFA front-runners Northcote ... the 1954 season playing for Sorrento on the Mornington Peninsula.
N.B.Northcote was hardly a front-runner when it cleared Harry to Carlton; the club had finished 10th!
It has been said that John Coleman never lived at Hastings but it seems that he spent time there with his parents after his knee was injured. These consecutive pars show that John and Harry Caspar were both on the peninsula at the time. Harry had been relegated to Carlton's reserves possibly because of a loss of form or his inability to get to training from Sorrento; this is why Carlton had a change of heart about clearing him to Sorrento.
Information from Hastings indicates that John Coleman is progressing slowly. His damaged knee is still in
irons. "We will be surprised if he plays again this year," said Mr. Howard Okey last night. "Perhaps he will be
fit to play for us in the finals."
Follower Harry Caspar was cleared to Sorrento by Carlton committee last night. He had previously expressed a desire to go to Footscray, but changed his mind, preferring to play where he is employed. (P.15,Argus, 29-6-1954.)
FROM New Zealand comes news of the recent marriage of Harry Caspar, former Carlton ruckman, to June, elder
daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W. J. Eginton, Mayor and Mayoress of Motueka, Nelson. After a car tour of the South Island, they will return to live at Sorrento, Victoria, where Harry will resume football training.
(P.17, Argus, 29-4-1955.)
Harry had been one of Sorrento's best in its first semi final win in 1954 but returned to Carlton in 1955 because he needed only one more game to qualify for the provident fund.
HARRY'S BLUE WITH THE BLUES.
Was Harry's relegation to the reserves due to poor form or a blue with the Blues?
After serving his suspension through the first four games of 1952, Caspar was brought straight back into Carlton?s senior team. He celebrated his 50th match in round 18 (a 36 point win over St Kilda at the Junction Oval) and played in the first and only senior final of his career when the Blues lost a heart-stopping Semi Final by l point to Fitzroy in front of 18,000 fans at the MCG. In a dramatic post-match incident later that evening, Carlton?s promising full-forward Keith Warburton collapsed and was rushed to hospital, where only repeated blood transfusions over the next 24 hours saved his life. One of Keith?s kidneys had been ruptured in a heavy collision during the game, but he somehow stayed on the field until the final siren.
That dramatic final marked the high point of Harry Caspar?s career at Carlton, because soon afterwards, his career went into decline. Injury delayed the start of his 1953 season, and he had added only four senior games by round 9 when he apparently became embroiled in a dispute with his captain, Ken Hands, or his coach Percy Bentley. As a consequence, Caspar spent the second half of the year with the seconds. In September, he was influential in driving his team right through to the Reserves Grand Final, and the Blues comfortably beat Essendon in the curtain-raiser to the Collingwood-Geelong Grand Final at the MCG.
Despite that success, Harry?s problems continued into 1954. On the first day of the new season, Carlton Reserves unfurled their Premiership flag at Princes Park prior to the match against South Melbourne. Early in the game, Caspar and the Swans? captain-coach Don Condon tangled, and Condon was reported. Then at half time, Harry became involved in a heated discussion with Carlton officials, and shocked everyone by demanding an immediate clearance and leaving the ground.
Caspar spent the 1954 season playing for Sorrento on the Mornington Peninsula.
Carlton stood firm however, and Caspar eventually returned to the fold ? and to senior football - in 1955. Wearing guernsey number 6 (after playing all of his career to that point in number 24) he was one of Carlton?s best in a big loss to Essendon in round 9, before his career imploded in less than ideal circumstances the following week. In the midst of another big defeat ? this time by Footscray - Caspar was reported for striking the Bulldogs? Dave Bryden. And to make matters worse, he suffered a badly-bruised back during the last quarter. On the following Tuesday night, Harry was suspended for four weeks, and that brought the curtain down his career. He retired on the spot, and didn?t play again at any level.
In 1956, Caspar headed off to play for East Ballarat that had just appointed his former team-mate John Brown as coach for the 1956 season.
In the years after his last match for the Blues, Harry returned to live at Sorrento, where he and his wife produced five sons. All of the Caspar boys represented Sorrento at some time in their sporting careers, and two went on to play at VFL Reserves level; Michael with South Melbourne in 1980, and David ? remarkably, with Essendon in 1984.
Harry Caspar passed away on the 1st July, 1988, aged 61.
(Harry Caspar : Blueseum - Online Carlton Football Club ...
BALLARAT'S fast, open, smooth game, functioning around their winning centre and a more coordinated attack, should give them victory in the first semi-final against East Ballarat at Eastern Oval tomorrow. Geelong West and Maryborough will contest the second semi-final. Ballarat was the early premiership favorite, but injuries so depleted the line-up in the latter stages of the minor round that they were forced to struggle to hold a place in the final four. Ballarat won the last two premierships. East's hopes received a setback last Saturday when the team failed badly against Maryborough and lost second place.
East's strength lies in the ruck-rover combination of Caspar, Dodd,and Pascoe. Former Carlton ruckman
Harry Caspar "makes the game" for Dodd and Pascoe,the best pair of little men in the league.
The Mahoney family history gives little early genealogy for the Caspar family. Is it possible that Harry's move to the East Ballarat Club was influenced by family connections as well as the club's coach being a former Carlton player? Did the first Caspar come out to try the Ballarat diggings? Was Frank Caspar,our William Tell, the saw-miller (after whom the Swiss-like landscape between Bacchus Marsh and Gisborne was called CASPAR COUNTRY) his son? Is it possible that Harry's mother and father became acquainted through Frank Caspar and Cornelius Mahoney who is mentioned in the same article? "Goodman's creek was opened in May of that year by Mr. Cornelius Mahoney, J.P., who is still living in Bacchus Marsh, in his 84th year. We often want him to give us his recollections of early days, but have not succeeded very well. He has the first balance sheet of the old Road Board(of which he was a member) and we should like to have that framed in the Shire hall."
(IN CASPAR'S COUNTRY.
The Bacchus Marsh Express (Vic. : 1866 - 1918) Saturday 4 March 1905 p 3 Article)
Unfortunately there is not enough Caspar genealogical information to link Harry's father with the families of Frank Caspar or William Louis Caspar who died in Ballarat in 1950.
CASPAR_On August 3, at Ballarat, William Louis Caspar, beloved husband of Alice, and loving father of Lillian (Jean, Mrs. Kemp). Frederick. Nellie (Mrs. McGregor), Robert, and Myrtle. (P.16, Argus, 4-8-1950.)
Harry Caspar's ancestor, Thaddeus Mahoney, from Killarney, was transported for picking pockets in 1833 at the age of 13. Cornelius Mahoney was also from Killarney and came out with his parents in 1837. Thaddeus had been transported to Sydney and after serving his sentence,moved to Melbourne in about 1944. Here's Cornelius Mahoney's obituary.
DEATH OF MR CORNELIUS MAHONEY, JP
One of the widest known personalities, and the oldest resident, of the district, in Mr Cornelius Mahoney, J.P., died at his residence, Bacchus Marsh, on Tuesday night, in his 94th year. Although of such advanced age, Mr. Mahoney had only been laid up during the last few months. Mr.,Mahoney was born at Killarney, County Kerry, Ireland, 31st March, 1821, and landed at Hobart, Tasmania with his parents,from the immigrant ship "Bussorah
Merchant," of London, Louis William Moncrief, Master, on 11th December, 1837. In 1838, after a stay in Tasmania, the family, consisting of his father, mother, himself (then 16 years old), and a younger brother,
came to Melbourne arriving on 22nd May; where his father and himself went into the building trade, and
carried it on successfully until 1844 when they went to Bacchus Marsh, and purchased the present homestead.
of 200 acres, lots 10 and 11, between the rivers Lerderderg and Werribee, and where his father died 9th January, 1887, aged 92 years.
Mr Mahoney was a member of the old Road Board, a Justice of the Peace, and was for several years Chairman and Correspondent of the School Board of Advice in the district. He was for 16 years a member of the Bacchus Marsh Troop of Prince of Wales Light Horse, during which time he rose to the rank of Captain.
Mr. Mahoney was always imbued with the spirit of adventure, and in 1849 he left his home for the Californian goldfields, and spent 2? years there, but not meeting with much success he returned to Bacchus Marsh, and has remained there ever since. Mr. Mahoney was the first to discover gold on the Goodman's Creek, at Cockatoo Gully, in 1854. He had many bushranging tales to relate.
Mr. Mahoney was married in Melbourne in 1849 to Miss Mary Hogan, a native of Tipperary, who came to the colony with her parents in 1841, by the immigrant ship "Agricola." Mrs. Mahoney survives her husband, and although 84 years of age, is wonderfully keen of intellect. There is also a grown-up family of sons and daughters; and a number of grandchildren. One of the latter (Mr. Clem. McFarlane) it is interesting to note at the present time,
is an Officer in the Australian Navy, being a Torpedo Instructor on board the cruiser Melbourne.The funeral took place on Thursday, and was largely attended. (P.3,The Bacchus Marsh Express, 22-8-1914.)
Thaddeus Mahoney married Jane Stafford. Fred Stafford was therefore related in some way to Harry Caspar. Like Harry,he played for Northcote before moving to Carlton (where he kicked the winning goal in the 1947 premiership win). There he would have played with Harry, as he probably also did in 1954.(*He did!)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Date of birth 3 August 1926
Date of death 10 July 2009 (aged 82)
Original team Northcote (VFA)
Debut Round 1, 1947, Carlton v. Melbourne
Height/Weight 173 cm, 74 kg
Years Club Games (Goals)
1947-1952 Carlton 102 (68)
1 Playing statistics correct to end of 1952 season.
Carlton Premiers 1947
Fred Stafford (3 August 1926 ? 10 July 2009) is a former Australian rules footballer in the Victorian Football League (VFL).
He kicked the winning goal in the dying seconds of the 1947 VFL Grand Final.
*Finishing second on the list in the Peninsula League, Mornington (coached by ex-local half-back Gordon Williams) failed by three goals against Seaford (led by Conley, ex Carlton) last Saturday. Mornington meets Sorrento tomorrow in the final. Caspar and Stafford (Carlton), Ollie (St. Kilda) and Ron Wilson
(Coburg) play with Sorrento. Alby Morrison (Footscray) played earlier in the season with Sorrento, although probably in his middle forties. (P.1, Williamstown Chronicle,17-9-1954.)
Sorrento won the premiership in 1954.
Between 1948 and 1954, Morrison served as captain-coach of Sorrento, finally retiring, aged forty-five, after the club's victorious 1954 grand final. Meanwhile, at the MCG on the very same afternoon, Footscray broke through for its first ever VFL pennant by downing Melbourne. - See more at: http://australianfootball.com/players/player/Alby%2BMorrison/4800#sthash.d2kh7rJF.dpuf
I wonder if my post on the Sorrento F.C. timeline will shed some light on the Caspar family,several members of which are life members of the club.
A BIT OF SORRENTO F.C. HISTORY. Why do you think Harry Caspar and Fred Stafford both played at Northcote, Carlton and Sorrento? The answer relates to Thaddeus Mahoney who was transported at the age of 13 in 1833. And what's that got to do with Albert Coleman whose brother kicked 23 goals against Sorrento? Is the photo of Alby Morrison and some of his Sorrento players that appeared in the newspaper article (1954?) hanging in the clubrooms?
After ten attempts to post a comment on the DICTIONARY HISTORY OF BULLA journal (second prize essay on the history of Bulla),itellya has retired. The essay has been posted on Ray Gibb's Facebook page. It is quoted almost verbatim in I.W.Symonds' BULLA BULLA.
Is it worth $40 million dollars (perhaps half as much again)to change the heart of a community? The Rosebud Fishing Village was Rosebud, the jetty being built roughly in the middle of it. The school was the first public building on the inland side of the beach road and of course,it was built in the HEART OF ROSEBUD. Today,Rosebud has two hearts,the second being Rosebud Plaza on the old Hindhope Estate.
On 16-5-1856, R.Glover and J.Wallace were granted crown allotment 17, parish of Wannaeue, consisting of 129 acres 2 roods and 28 perches. This was bounded by the beach road,Jetty Rd, Eastbourne and the line of Norm Clark walk (just east of Ninth Avenue.)
TUESDAY, 10th MARCH.
Parish of Wannaeue, Arthur's Seat. 129 Acres.
Four-roomed Cottage, Men's Huts, fronting Hobson's Bay, and within Thirty Miles from Melbourne by Water, and Forty-five Miles by Road.
H.A. COFFEY, for F. E. Beaver and Co., is instructed to sell by auction, at their rooms, 30 Collins-street west, on Tuesday, 10th inst., at eleven o'clock, 129 acres superior agricultural land, having a large
frontage to Hobson's Bay, and described in the Government plan as having water at a short distance from the surface ; together with a neat cottage containing four rooms and a garden ; fruit trees, fenced in. From the great rise in tho value of property in this locality, tho healthful air and the beautiful scenery, there can be no doubt but that this opportunity offers a fair chance for profitable investment to the small capitalist, or would be admirably adapted for a marine residence. The water is sufficiently deep in shore to admit the landing of provisions and goods close to the frontage. Terms Liberal.(P.2,Argus,5-3-1857.)
MONDAY, MAY 2.
Near Arthur's Seat, and Close to the Village of Dromana. Fronting the Bay.
ALFRED BLISS has received instructions from the proprietor to SELL by PUBLIC AUCTION, at his rooms, 37 Queen-street, on Monday,May 2, at one o'clock,
Section No. 17, parish of Wannaene, containing 129 acres 2 roods 28 perches, bounded on three sides by
Government roads. For the convenience of intending purchasers the above property has been cut up into 5 and 10 acre allotments. (P.2,Argus, 20-4-1859.)
On 3-9-1864,R.Glover was assessed on 129 acres,unencumbered,with a nett annual value of 16 pounds 10 shillings. By the Kangerong Road Board assessment of 2-9-1865, Richard Robert Woolcott had become the owner. Assessment No. 103 gives his name as Woolcott and he paid rates on 129 acres, Wannaeue, with a nett annual value of 6 ponds 10 shillings. By 3-9-1870 the nett annual value had risen to 10 pounds and, although the rate collector gave his Christian names,his surname was written as Woollcote. In the 15-9-1876 assessment he seems not to have been assessed but he might have been assessed under O in the alphabetical listings. Where the occupant was not clear a property was assessed against "Owner" and if the owner's name was entered if it was discovered.
In the 14-9-1879 assessment the N.A.V.was 12 pounds and remained so on 24-7-1879 although -.Woolcote now owned only 112 acres; 17 or 18 acres had been sold. If they were all 2 acres like the block that George and Susan Peatey bought in 1878,that would mean that nine blocks had been sold. By 16-7-1888 Woolcote (written only in the OWNER column)was assessed on 20 allotments,Wannaeue with a nett annual value of only 8 pounds. The next year it was written VERY FAINTLY as 40 acres and the N.A.V. was 40 pounds. Perhaps the council had decided that all building blocks must have a N.A.V. OF 2 pounds,a value that persisted well into the 1920's for vacant blocks. A modest dwelling would raise this to, or by, 5 pounds.
By 1900, many purchasers seem to have forfeited their blocks to the Commercial Bank which was assessed on 84 acres in crown allotment 17. Those definitely assessed on land in THE HEART OF ROSEBUD (c/a 17) were:
George Henry Chapman (Dromana blacksmith) 4 lots, Charles James 3 acres, Marshall (Moonee Ponds real estate agent) 7 acres, Mrs Peatey 2 acres and house lot 76, John Roberts (the postmaster) 4 lots and house, Formbisher 2.5 acres lots 74 and 85. A few more may have had land on c/a 17 but as descriptions were so vague it is impossible to be sure.
In 1919, Henry Bucher of Brighton owned lots lots 73 and 78 (and perhaps lots 7-10);Mrs Mary Butler,c/o Mrs McDowell, a building on lot 49; Mrs Annie Eliza Cairns of "Fernvilla" (top of Cairn Rd) Rosebud, had lots 1,2,29 and 30; Mrs Elizabeth Cairns of Rosebud had lots 43-6; "Rosebud Ted" Cairns had lots 74 and 85; the Dromana blacksmith still had lots 19 and 20; A.C.Allingham*, the teacher who replaced Charles Perrin* was occupying "quarters,state school",the bill sent to the Education Department; John Fallon of Windsor had lot 80; (former?) Rye teacher Henry Horneman had lots 62,81 and 82;Mrs Hownslow had lot 23; Mrs Helen Salina Mitchell (probably from the present Woodlands Historic Park near Melbourne Airport)had lots 13-18 and buildings; Joseph Maconochie of Richmond lots 37-41 and buildings and his wife store and lot 42 occupied by P.Ditchburn*; Robert McDowell of Rosebud had lots 77 and 79 and part of lot 75 and a building; Alf and John Peatey,sons of George and Sarah the 2 acre lot 76 on the south corner of Jetty Rd and McDowell St bought in 1878 but minus the house which burnt down in 1912; Ernie Rudduck of Dromana, still alive thanks to Melbourne Brindle,William John Ferrier etc, land and store occupied by L.C.Leech; Mrs(sic) Mary B.Stone (see the Polly Vine chapter in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD)LOTS 25,26,28; and Mrs Charlotte Walker of Benalla (possibly Robert McDowell's sister in law) part lot 75.
(*See ROSEBUD ROLL OF HONOUR.)
Crown allotment 18, between Adams Avenue and Jetty Rd had been subdivided before c/a 17 but only one block was sold,lot 86 of two acres on its north west corner. Robert White (Blooming Bob White bought c/a 17 in 1875 and was unaware that Charles Blackey had sold lot 86 to Jack Jones. When Bob sold the property to the (Leak/Lake brothers circa 1890)the new owners assumed that they had bought the whole 152 acres and took Jones to court to have him kicked off. Jones, who had conducted a store on his fishing village block, proved that he owned the block and built Rosebud's first proper shop on the corner. The buyer in 1913 was probably Mrs Mitchell who conducted what Isobel Moresby and Rosalind Peatey remembered fondly as a lolly shop.
W.A. KORNER WILL SELL BY PUBLIC AUCTION on the above date, on the ground,
1.All deceased's right, title, and interest in that piece of land being part of Crown portion l8, parish of Wannaeue, having frontage to Government road of 57ft. by a depth of 329ft, more or less, together with store and other improvements thereon.
2. All that piece of land, being part of Crown portion 18, parish of Wannaeue, having frontage of 60ft. by a depth of 330, more or less.Terms at Sale.W. A. Korner, auctioneer. Mornington.(P.4, Argus,6-12-1913.)
Although 150 acres of c/a 18 was a farm for nearly 40 years after R.R.Woolcott subdivided the heart of Rosebud (c/a 17)until suicide man, De Garis,launched his so-called HEART OF ROSEBUD ESTATE,lot 86 and Jack Jones' store certainly deserved to be included in the true heart of Rosebud.(See the chapter HENRY POTTON'S FARM in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD.)
THURSDAY, JANUARY 13. DROMANA. DROMANA. Large Bay Frontage.
To Parties Looking for an Unrivalled Site for a Marine Residence or Farm.
C.J. and T. HAM have received Instructions from Mr. J. T. M'Kean, agent for owner, to SELL by PUBLIC AUCTION, at their rooms, on Thursday, 13th January next, at twelve o'clock, All that piece of land being Lot 17 in parish of Wannaeue, near to village reserve of Dromana, containing 130 acres, well and permanently watered by springs, and having large bay frontage. (P.2, Argus,7-1-1876.)
By 1879, -.Woolcote (sic) was assessed on an unknown number of acres with a nett annual value of 12 pounds.
That picturesque neighbourhood a little to the south west of Dromana, on the main road to Sorrento. The remaining unsold lots in the estate of R. R. Woolcott, Esq., being part of portion 17, parish of Wannaeue, each lot having an area of 1.5 acres and upwards. A new jetty, state school and other improvements have recently been added to the attractions of this place, which must ultimately become one of the most popular of our suburban watering-places.Solicitor, J. S. Woolcott, Esq., Chancery lane And SANDRINGHAM.
(P.2, Argus, 1-2-1888.)
Can the Clacton-on-Sea Estate ever become the heart of Rosebud? This estate was between Norm Clark Walk and First Avenue. There is much detail in LIME LAND LEISURE about the failure of the estate and how the shire and social agencies developed the forfeited land nearer Eastbourne Rd as a residential area for the elderly.
WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 10 At 10 a m MECHANICS HALL Rosebud
Shire of Flinders RATE RECOVERY AUCTION
The Shire of Flinders through its Auctioneers Mr G. G .Austin of Frankston and Mr. S. L. Butler of Mornington as auctioneers in conjunction will sell by auction the following properties on Wednesday the 10th day of October 1951 at 10 a. m. in the Mechanics Hall, Rosebud under the provisions of the Local Government Acts
(Municipal Rates Recovery)
ALL THOSE pieces of land being Lots on Plan of Subdivision Number 6108 lodged in the Office of Titles (and which lots are more particularly set out hereunder)being part of Crown Allotments 15 and 16 at Rosebud, Parish of Wannaeue, County of Mornington.
N.B.Unless otherwise specified,all lot sizes are frontage 53 links and depth 181.8 links. A link is a hundredth of a chain (which close enough to 20 metres long) so each link equals 20 centimetres. Therefore the frontage is
53x20 cm or 10.60 metres and the depth is 36.36 metres. In (k)the depth is 219 links or 43.8 metres.
(a) Lots 46 48 54 56 58 and 62 Block A each lot having a frontage to Second Avenue.
(b) Lots 55 57 61 63 Block B each lot having a frontage to Second Avenue.
(c) Lots 50 52 54 60 62 and 72 Block B each lot having a frontage to Third Avenue.
(d) Lots 55 59 and 63 Block C each lot having a frontage to Third Avenue.
(e) Lots 56 58 60 64 66 72 and 74 Block C each lot having a frontage to Fourth Avenue.
(f) Lots 61 65 67 69 79 81 and 83 Block D each lot having a frontage to Fourth Avenue.
(g) Lots 72 84 86 and 88 Block E, each lot having a frontage to Sixth Avenue.
(h) Lots 63 69 71 73 75 93 and 95 Block F each lot having a frontage to Sixth Avenue.
(i) lots 66 68 84 94 and 96 Block F each lot having a frontage to Seventh Avenue.
(j) Lots 55 57 63 71 73 79 83 91 93 05 97 and 101 Block G each lot having a frontage to Seventh Avenue.
(k) Lots 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 and 13 Block 12 each lot having a frontage of 53 links to Ninth Avenue by a depth of 219 links* approximately. (*Presumably the east side.All the avenues seem to be 4.5 chains apart but Ninth and Rosebud Pde are 5 chains apart, an extra 10 metres.)
(l) Lots 12 16 l8 20 24 and 30 Block I. each lot having a frontage to Ninth Avenue.
(m) Lots 3 5 9 23 25 27 Block I. each lot having a frontage to Eighth Avenue.
(n) Lots l8 20 24 26 and 30 Block J each lot having a frontage to Eighth Avenue.
(0) Lots 1 3 5 7 13 15 25 27 Block J each lot having a frontage of 53 links to Seventh Avenue.
(p) Lots 2 4 14 16 l8 20 22 24 26 28 and 30 Block K each lot having a frontage to Seventh Avenue.
(q) Lots 1 9 11 15 19 and 21 Block K, each lot having a frontage to Sixth Avenue.
(r) Lots 8 10 12 14 16 l8 22 24 28 and 30 Block L each lot having a frontage to Sixth Avenue.
(s) Lots 9 13 17 25 and 27 Block L each lot having a frontage to Fifth Avenue.
(t) Lots 2 4 12 14 18 20 22 24 26 28 and 30 Block M each lot having a frontage to Fifth Avenue.
(U) Lots 1 3 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 23 25 and 20 Block M each lot having a frontage to Fourth Avenue.
(V) Lots 2 4 14 l8 20 22 24 26 and 30 Block N each lot having a frontage to Fourth Avenue.
(X) Lots 2 8 12 20 22 24 26 28 and 30 Block O each lot having a frontage to Third Avenue.
(y) Lots 1 3 7 10 21 23 27 and 29 Block O each lot having a frontage to Second Avenue.
(z) Lots 5 13 17 and 19 Block F, each lot having a frontage to First Avenue.
TERMS AT SALE etc. (P.24, Argus,6-10-1951.)
Not only the Clacton-on-Sea blocks were forfeited. The depressions of the 1890's and 1930's resulted in widespread unemployment and many purchasers were flat out putting food on the table. Paying rates on a holiday block would have been the lowest priority. But councils still needed to cope with road maintenance and drainage issues and were almost broke. There was a sell-off in 1946 as well, and it was suggested that returned servicemen should be given priority as purchasers. Here were the forfeited blocks near the end of the 1930's depression. 17= the heart of Rosebud (Rosebud Estate); 15 and 16= Clacton-on-Sea.
TUESDAY MARCH 15
At Three O Clock At Mechanics Hall Dromana
LOT 5.-Thirty Lots Each Having a Frontage of 53 Links by a Depth of 181.8 Links and Being Lots on Plan of Subdivision No 5108 Lodged in the Office of Titles and Being Part of Crown Portions 15 and 16 at Rosebud, Parish of Wannaeue, County of Mornington.
(a) Fronting First Avenue Lots 45 47 103 Block P
(b) Fronting Third Avenue Lot 48 Block B
(c) Fronting Fifth Avenue Lot 07 Block F Lot 21 Block L Lot 16 Block M
(d) Fronting Sixth Avenue Lots 47 49 77 Block K Lot 32 Block E Lot 42 Block L
(e) Fronting Seventh Avenue Lot 50 Block F Lot 81 Block G Lot 11 Block J Lot 78 Block K
(f) Fronting Eighth Avenue Lots 70 100 102 Block G Lot 73 Block H Lots 95 07 Block I Lots 12 10 28 42 Block J
(g) Fronting Ninth Avenue Lots 04 100
LOT 6.-Lot 114 on Plan of Subdivision No. 5108 Lodged In the Office of Titles Being Part of Crown Portion 16 at Rosebud Parish and County Aforesaid frontage of 53 Links to Government Road by Depth of 277.9 Links.
LOT 7.-24 lots, Each Having a Frontage of 50 Feet by Varying Depths and Being Lots on Plan of Subdivision No. 5134 Lodged In the Office of Titles and Being Part of Crown Portion 17 at Rosebud Parish of Wannaeue County of Mornington
(a) Lots 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 l8 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 Block H Fronting Spray Street
(b) Lots 27 28 Block G Fronting Spray Street
(c) Lot 35 Block B Fronting Foam Street
(d) Lot 36 Block B Fronting Government Road
LOT 8-Lots 28 29 30 Block H on Plan of Subdivision No 5134 as Aforesaid Each Lot Having a Frontage of 22 Feet 6 Inches to a Government Road by a Depth of 150 Feet. (P.14, Argus, 10-2-1938.)
This journal was prompted by Bezza sending me the information in italics. Mr Fenwick was probably managing the farm for Helen Melville. Thomas Steuart Gladstone was cousin of the prime minister. Stewarton and a farm of the same name in the Western District were probably named after Gladstone's partner. Stewarton was renamed Gladstone in the second year of John Cock's lease.
The will of the late Mr Thomas Gladstone has been proved. The personalty in the estate amounts to ?25=,000.Kilmore Press 23 May 1889 p3. This is Thomas Steuart Gladstone. There was also a Sir Thomas Gladstone that died in 1889.
Fenwick seem to have Gladstone park in 1917 when it was sold.
Essendon Gazette 22 Feb 1917
Gladstone Park Sale. Campbell and Sons and McCulloch Hancock will sell, on Wednesday,. Inst., at 1 p.m., at Gladstone Park, Broadmeadows. under instructions from A. G. and C E. Melville. the whole of pedigreed and farm mares, dairy breeding sows, sheep, machinery, farm implements and sundries. Particularly given in our advertising columns, and other details may be had from the auctioneers or from Mr. A. Fenwick. Gladstone Park, Broadmeadows.
Essendon Gazette 14 Sep 1916 p2
Clearing Sale at Broadmeadows. .Last Tuesday week, 5th September, a very successful clearing sale was held at Gladstone Park, Broadmeadows, by McPhail, Anderson and Co., in conjunction with McCulloch and Hancock. The proprietors having decided to relinquish dairying and to go in solely for sheep and cropping, instructed the above agents to hold a clearing sale of all the dairy stock, plant, etc. A large number of buyers attended and a good sale resulted. Cows. in milk some time, made to ?11 10s; springers, to ?14; 21-year-old heifers, in lines, ?6 12s 6d;: 18 months to 2-year-olds, ?4 12s Gd; 9 to 12 months olds, ?3 2s 6d; bull,.to ?10 2s 6d. The plant. etc.. also sold at good values.
Essendon Gazette 8 August 1918 p3
MR. A. E. HOADLEY Has secured the Imported Welsh Cob, GWALIA CAESAR Who will stand the Season at GLADSTONE PARK, BROADMEADOWS. Terms on Application.
Section 5 in the parish of Tullamarine fronted the east side of today's Mickleham Rd from the Lackenheath Drive corner to Forman St where it adjoined Broadmeadows Township.The first bridge in the township joined the two parts of Ardlie St.
Today's suburb of Gladstone Park is separated from the rest of SECTION 5'S 777 acres (subdivided as the Gladstone Gardens Estate) by the freeway. It also includes most of "Viewpoint" which ran south to the junction. Marigold Crescent in Gowanbrae is also part of Viewpoint. About half of Camp Hill/ Gowanbrae is in Gladstone Park while the portion south east of the Ring Road carries the farm's second name.
Page G.30, DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND.
George Russell of Golf Hill in the Western District who bought Section 5 Tullamarine is shown on the Parish map as the grantee. He bought it for Niel Black of Mt Noorat near Colac who arrived in 1839 as the representative of Niel Black & Co. The partners in this firm were A.Stewart,Thomas Steuart Gladstone, Alex Struthers Finlay and Niel Black. Section 5, Tullamarine was probably intended as a holding paddock or depot to rest sheep hoofing it to market in Melbourne and was owned by Neil Black until his death in 1880 and in 1881-2 by his estate.
In 1882-3 Gladstone became the owner and from 1888-1892, land speculator, G.W.Taylor, was recorded in rate books as the owner;he'd anticipated a killing because of the proposed railway to Bulla with a possible branch to Broadmeadows Township. Taylor fled the country leaving massive debts and the Gladstones regained title as well as pocketing the deposit and part payments.Andrew Lemon said the Gladstones owned the 777 acre farm "until the 1920's" but the rate collectors thought otherwise;the next owner was Frederick Newman Levin, from 1949 till 1952 when he sold to Stanley Korman.
Lessees were Peter McCracken 1846-1855 (McCracken Papers), J.Maconochie , 1863-4, Edmund Dunn of "Viewpoint",the next property south 1865-1873, John Taylor 1873-5, John Kerr of Kerrsland 1875-1892 (Kerr and sons 1881-2), John Cock my great grandfather 1892-1912, HELEN MELVILLE 1912-1917, A.E.Hoadley 1917-1920, L.Roxburgh 1920-1930, Jim Barrow 1930-1949. Owner/Occupiers from then were Levin 1949-52, Stanley Korman 1952-1964, Costain Development Pty. Ltd (Broadmeadows: A Forgotten History.) The last occupant of the second Gladstone Park Homestead (site known) was Ian Farrugia who was also the last occupant of the remaining house on THE LAST OF THE BROADY FARMS (Camp Hill/ Gowanbrae), the second farm south.
ZICHY-WOINARSKI seemed out of place. There were plenty of Cape Verde Islanders, Chinese and Maoris involved in the early history of the Southern Peninsula but no New Aussies with a name like Zichy-Woinarski. Then I saw the name mentioned in trove articles about Mornington and in a heritage study, HO239, regarding Woyna House in Rosebud West. After about two years,I finally twigged that there might be a connection between the names WOYNA and WOINARSKI. Little did I suspect that both names were connected with Polish nobility,that the Zichy part of the name has been traced back to Hungary in the 13th century or that the official Language of Hungary until 1848 was Latin (a world record!) The Zichy genealogy does not include the origin of the ZICHY-WOINARSKI name but the Table Talk article does. I have included the Zichy-Woinarski genealogy down to George Alexander,the owner of the Woyna farm at Rosebud West.
Realising Auction of a Peninsula Farm,
BALANCE OF WOYNA ESTATE, DROMANA.
By order of G. A. Woinarski, Esq. We will Sell as above, Woyna Farm, 32o Acres,
SITUATED on main Melbourne-Sorrento road, 2 miles from Rye and Rosebud and 5 miles from Dromana, comprising about 140 acres of flat and 180 acres of undulating country.
THE FLATS are peat land of a rich alluvial character, with an abundance of lime, as rich and fertile as Carrum or Koo-wee-rup. The light land also has lime in it and is suitable for Hay, Rape, or Melilotus. THE HOMESTEAD comprises an 8roomed Villa, with Lawn and Garden, windmill, Water laid on, Bathing Box, Motor Garage with brick floor.
IMPORTANT.-Failing a Sale as a whole, the property will be offered in two lots.
Lot 1.--Homestead & about 166acres. Lot 2.-154 acres, 80 flats. Both with frontage to main road (etc.) (P.2, Mornington Standard, 27-5-1916.)
Dr. V. J. Woinarski Passes
Dr V. J. E. Zichy Woinarski died suddenly on Friday last, at his home in Mornington, as a result of a heart seizure which overcame him while he was returning from a sick call. Dr Woinarski, who was a brother to Judge Woinarski, gained his medical degree at Melbourne University after receiving his education at Melbourne Grammar School, and prior to the war he practiced for several years at North Melbourne. He served in the war as a captain in the Army Medical Corps, and on returning to Australia he conducted his practice at Mornington. He was 56 years of age, and he has left a widow, two sons and a daughter.
(P.3, Frankston and Somerville Standard, 3-6-1921.)
A COLONIST who well illustrates what was said some time ago in those columns as regards the importance of the foreign element in the foundation, progress and prosperity of Australia, passed away last Friday, January 30, Mr. George Gustave Zichy-Winarsrski was a Pole of high family, and came to Victoria soon after the gold discoveries. He was born at Teschen, Silisia, in 1824. His father, Count Zichy, had married the Countess Woinarski, of Woyna, and the second son of this marriage, the subject of this notice, took by agreement the conjoint name of Zichy- Woinarski. In the local gymnasium he was noted for his great abilities and he studied law with such success that, at the ago of 21 years he had reached the status of Magistrate, and proceeded then to the University of Lemberg. Fired with the universal desire for freedom which permeated Europe when ho was a young man, ho joined the PolishLegion which went to the relief of Hungary in her struggle with Austria in 1818, and became one of the commanding officers of that Legion, and at one time aide de camp to His Excellency, General Prince Woinarski. (etc.) (P.1, Table Talk, 6-2-1891.)
4. ZICHY genealogy 04.01 Overview All Zichy-s are one ...
The Zichy - Woinarski line table ? I?
The point of the exact linkage of the Zichy-Woinarski line to the main Zichy trunk is yet to be found. Therefore the numbering of the Zichy-Woinarskis is provisional.
ZW-0 X.Y. the father of only son J?nos below (possibly from the Zichy-Palota line), who emigrated from Hungary to Teschen (Silesia), probably in the 18th
ZW- 1 J?NOS (? - ?), x. 1st countess (?) Jane Susan Woynarski de Woyna
[1:] ZW-11 JOHANN (?-?)
ZW-111 JOSEPH (CICHY) (?-?) x. ?? Ella
ZW-1111 HANS (?.)
ZW-1112 MAX (?.)
ZW-1113 JOSEPHINE (?.)
ZW-1114 KURT (?.)
ZW-112 PAUL (CICHY) (?-?) x. ??
ZW-12 PAUL (?-?)
ZW-13 GEORGE-GUSTAVE (Cieszyn/Teschen, 1825.01.23 ? Melbourne 1891.01.30), x. ?, 1856.06.28. Henriette Zukerman (1836.01.19 ? 1906.02.27)
ZW-131 STANISLAUS Emil (Ballaarat, 1857.04.25 ? Wood Points 1920.04.05), x.Mortlake 1883.07.26, Flora Dundas Robertson (1860.11.30.-
ZW-1311 ALEXANDRINA (Ballaarat 1884.10.20-Eastwood 1965.03.27)
x.Mornington 1912.12.18 Henry Dundas Macartney (Waverley 1880.02.01-Toowong 1932.10.24)
ZW-1312 VALERIE Henrietta (Ballaarat 1886.06.24.-Kew 1959.09.21)
ZW-1313 ANIELLA (Ballaarat 1888.02-07-Southport 1968.08.18) x.Mornington, 1913.02.11., Arthur Youl Nankivell (Melbourne
51 ZW-1314 GEORGE Alexander (1890.07.10.-1957.08.09)
x.1911. .... H?l?ne Turnball (1891-1943) (i)
x.1944 ......Joan Finney (...-1993) (ii)
The Dryden family pioneered the area near Hanging Rock before Tom Wills thought of the game that became known as Aussie Rules. When surveys had been completed, leases on squatting runs were cancelled, and as with most pioneering families, the next generation sought opportunities elsewhere.
POSTSCRIPT. 25-4-2017. I had wrongly assumed that the footballer was the husband of Susan Peatey. He was actually her son. Susan had married William John Dryden and the said footballer, William John Thomas Dryden, was born at Kyneton in 1910. The footballer's widow who inserted the family notice in 1935 was not Susan but Vera (nee Davis)who remarried in 1936. E.Dryden who'd been playing at Seaford with Bill was Edward James Dryden, born (registered) at Dromana in 1912. At the time I wrote this journal, I was not aware of the information in Victorian BDM. Information from Patricia Chadwick, writing on the PIONEERS OF THE MORNINGTON PENINSULA Facebook page alerted me to the possibility of an error.
Patricia Chadwick. Your information that your dad was Horace Dryden and born in 1914, alerted me that I may have made a false assumption about Bill Dryden, the champion footballer killed in 1933. I had! Your grandfather, William Dryden, married Susan Peatey in 1909 and the said footballer was born at Kyneton in 1910. He married Vera Charlotte Davis in 1930 and after his death she married Edward Herbert Proctor in 1936. Siblings of the champion footballer, William John Thomas Dryden, were Edward James, b.1912 at Dromana, and Horace (your dad) b. Kyneton 1914, (All details from Victorian BDM.)
Bill Dryden had been a champion footballer with the Kyneton Football Club. Unfortunately Rosalind Peatey did not explain how Bill(senior!) came to meet Susan Peatey. Susan, born in 1890 in Gippsland, was the daughter of Jack and Mary Peatey, who returned to Rosebud in 1894 and established their produce business on "Beachside" on the east side of Peatey's Creek.Susan's siblings were John Edward b.20-11-1886, William Henry b.22-11-1888 and George b.1892, also all born in Gippsland.
When Bill was killed, the elder of his boys, Jim and Bill, was six years old* so it can be assumed that they had married by 1926,three years before the Rosebud Football Club played its first season.
(*Jim Dryden must have told me this but none of the children could have been more than three years old. Unfortunately only pre 1930 birth records are currently entered on Victorian BDM. JIM ALSO TOLD ME THAT HIS DAD WAS KILLED ON THE MORNING OF THE (FOOTY) GRAND FINAL COSTING ROSEBUD A PREMIERSHIP, WHICH COULD NOT BE TRUE.)
Whatever job Bill had worked at probably disappeared soon after the 1930's depression started and he was probably offered a job at the Seaford sandpits if he played for Seaford. Another inducement may have been that his brother, E. (Edward?) Dryden,was also starring for the team.
Just before the tragedy, he'd been offered a job at (Tom Maw's sand pit at Rosebud.*) Bill stepped onto a wheel to get off the tray of the truck just as it started reversing and was crushed by the truck.
(*A descendant of Tom Maw has stated that his sandpit was at Rye and not established until after this time.)
ROSEBUD v. RED HILL. Red Hill turned out in full force last Saturday when their team visited Rosebud and were rewarded by a win. Both sides were very anxious to win this match, particularly Rosebud, who had their previous beating by Red Hill to repay. However, after quite the best game that has been played in Rosebud this season, Red Hill won by two points - a very unfortunate state of affairs for Rosebud. A large crowd of Rosebud supporters watched the match and the excitement was intense.
Dryden, Anderson and Wong Bros. showed up well for Rosebud; H.Liversidge was handicapped by his fingers being still tied and not yet right.The final scores were Red Hill 9.5; Rosebud 7.14. Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Saturday 27 July 1929 p 7 Article
SEAFORD OBITUARY . Regret was expressed on the Peninsula, last Saturday when it was learned that Mr. W. Dryden had met his death by accident at Rosebud. The deceased was a well-known footballer around the district, having played with the Rosebud team a year or two ago, and last year captained the Seaford club. He had just recently left Seaford to accept employment at Rosebud. He leaves a widow and two* young children. Deepest sympathy is extended to his parents, widow and children. SEAFORD OBITUARY
Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Saturday 25 November 1933 p 4 Article.
*VERA was obviously pregnant at the time of Bill's death, Wilma not having been mentioned in the obituary, unless she had been born soon after Bill's departure from Seaford.
DRYDEN. — In loving memory of my dear husband, Bill, and our daddy, who passed away on 18th November, 1933.—Inserted by his loving wife and children,
Billy, Jim and Wilma.(P.1, The Age, 18-11-1935.)
Bill's mother was Susie* Peatey, daughter of John and Mary Peatey of "Beachside" on the east side of Peatey's Creek which flowed through what is now the Murray Anderson Rd foreshore car park.Susie was named after Susan Peatey,who with her husband George,was a pioneer of the Survey north of Dromana, at the north end of Harrisons Rd, Dromana, and, from 1888, lot 76, crown allotment 17 Wannaeue, near the south corner of Jetty Rd and McDowell St, Rosebud.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Tuesday 24 July 1945 p 2 Family Notices
... son of John and Mary Peatey, loving brother of Jack (deceased), Susie (Mrs. Dryden), George, Mary (Mrs ... of Nell (Mrs. Lamb). PEATEY.-On July 21, William Henry, of Rosebud, at Melbourne, loving ... 5774 words