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MEHRAN SERAPH PEZEKIAN, PIONEERING ARMENIAN IMMIGRANT AND PIONEER OF RED HILL, NEAR DROMANA, VIC., AUST.
PEZEKIAN, RED HILL SOUTH.
William Hopcraft's grants near the north end of Tucks Rd were crown allotments 70A and 70B, parish of Balnarring. As my rate transcriptions in 2010 were only for properties in the parishes of Kangerong and Wannaeue, when I read MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN, I did a special search and discovered that Hec Hanson's paternal grandfather, Hans Christian Hanson had first occupied 70B in 1887. This land fronted Tucks Rd and Stony Creek with its northern boundary just north of the junction of Musk Creek and Stony Creek to roughly 57 Tucks Rd.
North of c/a 70B, with with its north west corner indicated by the PRESENT north end of Tucks Rd (164 metres north of the original corner) was crown allotment 70A which also extended east to Stony Creek. Its northern boundary is indicated by the dotted blue line in Melway 190 E-H 8.
In 1894-5, John Hopcraft was occupying 70A. John was still there in 1902 when AROUND RED HILL was published. It was obviously a well-kept property.
A splendid flower garden surrounds Mr Hopcraft's house. He has a nice little orchard and a vegetable garden; also a number of walnut trees. These yield splendidly, and Mr Hopcraft finds no difficulty in disposing of the nuts.
When I started researching Red Hill, I transcribed some 1919 assessments in the parish of Balnarring. James Rattray of Red Hill had been listed as the occupier of c/a 70A but his name had been crossed out and replaced with "Pezekian, Carlton". This man had obviously occupied the property in mid 1919.
Crown allotment 70A can be seen on the left hand side of the bottom portion of the Balnarring parish map.
As there are no later rate records available on microfiche, I wondered how long he'd stayed there and if I could find out more about this New Aussie.
(Richard Broome told those attending the Dromana Historical Society 30th recently that historical societies should place more emphasis on non Anglo-Irish migrants to become more relevant to a large proportion of the population.)
COLLAPSED WHEEL CAUSES ACCIDENT.
When Mr. Mehran Pezekian, of Red Hill, was returning from Victoria Market in a motor truck on Tuesday morning a front wheel of the truck collapsed as he was passing the Elks Cafe, at Seaford. The mishap caused the truck to collide with a stationary motor car, owned by Dr. V. B. Brenton, of Station street, Port Melbourne, in which Mrs. Brenton was seated. After its impact with the car the truck swerved into the large window in the front of the cafe. The large window frame was wrenched from its foundation, but only two panes of glass were broken. Mrs Brenton suffered from shock.(P.1, Frankston and Somerville Standard, 24-2-1934.)
Mehran had stuck at it despite some bad luck with a fire in 1927* and mongrel cabbage seeds in 1928**.
*Two fires broke out in the Red Hill district. The first outbreak was near the Flinders-road. The homesteads of Messrs. Hansen,(Hanson), Pezekian. Lesslng, and Jarman were endangered.(P. 9, The Age, 15-2-1927.)
Alf Hanson had sold the original "Alpine Chalet" and the southern 69 acres of 70B to the Lessings just after the 1919-20 assessment. While Littlelejohn the builder was erecting a new Alpine Chalet on the northern 20 acres of 70B, the Hansons lived on the Blakeley property, "Ecclesall", now partly occupied by the Consolidated School. (P.10, MEMOIRS OF A LARRIKIN.) The Jarmans were on "Devonia" near Stony Creek Rd.
Mehran had operated a fruit shop in Johnston St Abbotsford at about the time he moved onto 70A, probably with a swollen head.
More bad luck struck Mehran (known as Jack) in 1935 when his wife Mabel Irene, nee Burgin, died. She was buried at Coburg. (P.1, The Age, 26-11-1935.)
Probably due to the aforementioned fire and crook cabbage seed of 1927 and 1928, Mehran (written as Miran) was in financial difficulty and faced having his farm sold by the sheriff because of unpaid taxes or rates. It consisted of only 63 acres of 70A so Neilson, mentioned regarding the fire, might have owned the other roughly 16 acres. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3945521
Mehran's desire to sell his farm in 1933 was possibly prompted by Mabel Irene's failing health but the odds of a successful sale during the depression would not have been great.
NEXT WEDNESDAY. 11th JANUARY. .
At Half-past 2 o'clock.
At 31 Queen-Street. MELBOURNE.
Mr. M. PEZEKIAN'S FARM
At RED HILL,
Containing 66 Acres, 50 A. Cleared. 7 A. Under Subt. Clover. Splendid Chocolate soil,
Grows Heavy Crops of Potatoes, Onions, &c., and Suitable for Grazing.
OWNER IS A DEFINITE SELLER.(P.2, The Age, 7-1-1933.)
MEHRAN'S MARRIAGE RECORD.(Typos at no extra cost!)
EventMarriage Event registration number3842 Registration year1905
Family namePEZEKIAN Given namesMehran Seraph SexUnknown Spouse's family nameBURGEN Spouse's given namesMabel Irenie
A number of other Armenians arrived after the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78 and the Turkish massacres of 1894-97. In 1897 a Turkish Armenian from the province .of Sivas, Haroutian Balakian, arrived in Melbourne, via Constantinople and London, where he established himself as an importer. Other Armenians from Sivas followed him to Melbourne after World War I.
In 1900, Mehran Pezekian, an Armenian from Kayseri, Turkey, migrated to Australia via Egypt. After living for a time in Melbourne and Tasmania he eventually settled on a farm at Red Hill, Victoria.
ARMENIAN MIGRATION, SETTLEMENT AND ... - Open Research
THREE UNRELATED GIBSON FAMILIES NEAR DROMANA.
1. Walter Gibson and Margaret (Purdie) of "Glenholm".
2.James W. Gibson, dairyman, North Melbourne/ Brunswick; and possibly L.M.Gibson, Coburg who had land on the east side of Purves Rd, James being the grantee of c/a 24, section B, Wannaeue. (1910, 1919 rates.)
3.W.Gibson, grantee of c/a 78A, Balnarring on 22-7-1874. Ethel Bailey's mother who became Mrs Staples was a descendant of this family.
This would possibly be the grantee.
GIBSON -On the 23rd December at St. Margaret's private hospital, Hampton, William Nicholas Gibson, late of Red Hills, Dromana and Montrose, in his 81st year. (Private interment )
P.1, Argus, 27-12-1919.)
Extract from my PIONEER PATHWAY, DROMANA journal, written in 2012, when I was trying to find links between the various Gibson families.
GIBSON William and John Thomas (Red Hill) 1871
As I have only transcribed parish of Balnarring rates in 1919, I can only presume that a grantee in that parish was William Gibson. W.Gibson was granted crown allotment 78A of 190 acres 1 rood and 14 perches on 22-7-1874. It had a 1116 metre frontage to the east side of Red Hill Rd and a 1018 metre frontage to the north side of Stanleys Rd (Melway 191 G-H 3-4 roughly.) Across Red Hill Rd was John Huntley's Hillside where William Joseph McIlroy worked from about 27-9-1877 until 19-10-1890. His diary entry for 16-6-1890 said that Mrs Gibson had died so it can be assumed that she was the grantee's wife. (Extracts from W.J.McIlroy's diary in Sheila Skidmore's THE RED HILL.)
ALBERT LUDLOW NASE, A COURSING LEGEND. A large proportion of the time spent on my chronology of burials involves finding whether people who died at Dromana were actually buried there, especially when the death notice was in The Age because funeral notices were practically never on the same page and the page on which family notices were continued was rarely indicated. This bloke was actually buried at Flinders.
NASE.— On June 11, at Dromana Hospital. Albert Ludlow, beloved husband of Catherine and loving father of Phil, Jack, Ruby, Bert, Allie, Kit and Mab, aged 80 years, In God's care.(P.2, The Age, 13-6-1949.)
NASE.-The Funeral of the late Mr.ALBERT LUDLOW NASE will leave St. John's Church of England, Flinders, THIS DAY, after a service commencing at 2.30 p.m.. for the Flinders Cemetery.(P.8, The Age, 13-6-1949.)
Passing of Albert Nase
Sporting Globe (Melbourne, Vic. : 1922 - 1954) Wednesday 15 June 1949 p 18 Article
OBITUARY MR H(sic). L. NASE
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Tuesday 14 June 1949 p 10 Article
ALBERT LUDLOW NASE WAS SO-NAMED IN HIS BIRTH, MARRIAGE, AND DEATH RECORDS.
EventMarriage Event registration number134 Registration year1895
Family nameNASE Given namesAlbt Ludlow SexMale Spouse's family nameFAWCETT Spouse's given namesKate
From the HISTORY OF FLINDERS-CRIB POINT Facebook page.
Kim Barker. Nase is the name for the people that had a property in Flinders not far from the ST JOHN'S CHURCH . is this the same family ?
ME. It would appear so. Their place was called "Wilga" and Mabs (Mabel?) married Frederick Wallace Jarman of "Devonia" near Stony Creek Rd (Melway 190 parts 6,7 E-F.). Andrew's first name may have started with N with Andrew being his most used given name but Mabel's death record gives his first name as Albert, as do Albert's death and birth records.
EventDeath Event registration number27684 Registration year1973
Family nameJARMAN Given namesMabel Jane SexFemale Father's nameNASE Albert Ludlow Mother's nameCatherine Elizabeth (Fawcett) Place of birthBallarat Place of deathMornington Age65
The Wilga Estate was a mile from Flinders on the way to Cape Schanck, so near the C777 symbol in Melway 261 E9.
BY PUBLIC AUCTION ,FOR A TERM OF THREE YEARS
Portions of "Wilga" Estate, Flinders,
ACCOUNT MR. A. L. NASE,
To be Offered At Tanti Sale Yards, Mornlngton, MONDAY, 26th MARCH, at about 3 p.m. ,
IN LOTS OF-
58 Acres, .known; as "Pinnacle" paddock,
108 Acres, known. as "Grange" paddock.
71 Acres, known as "Clark's paddock.
66 Acres, known as "Triangle" paddock.
ALEX. SCOTT & CO: PTY. LTD. have received instructions from Mr.A. L. Nase, to offer as above, portions of his property, "'Wilga" Estate, which fronts the main Flinders-Cape Schanck Road, 1 mile from Flinders. etc. (P.5, Standard, Frankston, 15-3-1945.)
The only one of these properties that can be identified with any certainty is the Triangle paddock of 65 acres 1 rood 4 perches bounded by Punchbowl, Razorback and Boneo Rds at Melway 261 B10.
Albert was a Creswick Shire councillor as was C.Fawcett. Albert was shire president on at least one occasion.
With Albert's Wilga estate being on various crown allotments, no residence being on the four detailed above, and so close to Flinders Township, it is almost certain that his residence was in the Flinders Township itself. Thanks to Kim Barker of the HISTORY OF FLINDERS-CRIB POINT group for pointing out that "Wilga" was 28 King St, Flinders.
Information from a google search for this address.
"Wilga" c 1883
Originally a rural homestead, "Wilga" boasts a distinctive facade and the wonderful characteristics of its era with sensitive modifications to compliment today's family life.
The interior features ornate period detailing, chandeliers, high ceilings, wide arched hallway, formal sitting room with OFP, hydronic heating, 4 spacious bedrooms, ensuite with claw foot bath, family bathroom with double shower, country kitchen with casual dining and separate games room.
Traditional verandahs surround the house and a north facing sun deck. Delightfully private gardens of 7077sqm (1.7 acres) approx with a tennis court and swimming pool.
SEE ATTACHED PHOTO OF "WILGA".
Andrew was a life member of the Flinders Golf Club. He may have played on the course from its formation circa 1902, during summer holidays, but moved permanently to Flinders in 1928.
At a farewell social at Ullina Mr. A. L.Nase was presented with a hall clock, pedestal, and vase.Mrs. Nase and the Misses Nase also received presents. Mr. Nase and family are leaving to live at Flinders.
COUNTRY NEWS. BALLARAT AND DISTRICT.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 3 August 1928 p 16 Article
However Albert had quite some tradition to uphold and seems to have returned to Creswick for shire council meetings.
EVIDENTLY FAMILY AFFAIRS.
Cr. Nase is in the Creswick Shire Council, where his father sat for 25 years, and where his grandfather sat
three quarters of a century ago. (P.39, The Northern Herald, Cairns, 21-11-1928.)
WILLIAM THOMAS HUNTLEY OF "ROSCOE", THOMAS STREET, BRIGHTON EAST, VIC., AUST., AND THE BENTLEIGH CLUB.
Today, I attended a Kensington Kids reunion at the Bentleigh Club (Melway 68 B11) at Brighton East. There was a painting of an old mansion in the foyer with no detail, including why it had pride of place. I assumed that it had formerly occupied the site. As we were leaving, I noticed that the end of the building nearest Huntley St may have been part of the mansion. I told one of my friends that the mansion might have belonged to a member of the Huntley family, pioneers of Brighton and Red Hill, of which Tommy Bent's second wife was a member. Tommy had married Elizabeth Huntley in 1864.
The Wikipedia history of Bentleigh of course mentions Tommy after whom Bentleigh was named but included little other information. A google search revealed no mention of "Roscoe". However a trove search revealed that William Thomas Huntley and Thomas Bent were the executors of Elizabeth Bent* and that William Thomas Huntley lived at "Roscoe", Thomas St.,Brighton.**
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Saturday 6 June 1903 p 12 Advertising
Brighton Southern Cross (Vic. : 1896 - 1918) Saturday 10 August 1918 p 3 Family Notices
If I recall correctly, the Bentleigh Club was formed in 1948 but there is no history of the club on the internet, a pity. Perhaps this might inspire the writing of one before those members who possess information about its early days pass away. The local council might also investigate the heritage value of the site and building.
ELIZABETH BENT'S DEATH NOTICE SHOWS THAT SHE WAS THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN HUNTLEY SENIOR.
(John Huntley Jnr. married Mary Hope.)
EventDeath Event registration number717 Registration year1903
Family nameBENT Given namesElizth SexUnknown Father's nameHuntly Jno Mother's nameCath Evelyn (Hegarttey) Place of birth Place of deathBrtn Age59
WILLIAM THOMAS HUNTLEY WAS ELIZABETH BENT'S BROTHER.
EventDeath Event registration number3887 Registration year1917
Family nameHUNTLEY Given namesWm Thomas SexUnknown Father's nameHuntley Jno Mother's nameCath Evelyn (Hegarty) Place of birth Place of deathBrighton Age71
Thomas St was probably named after Tommy Bent but Huntley St was probably named after his brother-in-law.
EDMONDS–CAIRNS.—On the 30th July, 1924,at the Presbyterian Church, Dromana, by the Rev. C. E. Hipwell, Edward John (Ned),
youngest son of Mrs. and the late John Edmonds, of Boneo, to Edna J. D., eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Walter Cairns, Quamby, Main Ridge. (P.11, Argus, 23-8-1924.)
MARRIAGE OF NED'S PARENTS.
EventMarriage Event registration number8092 Registration year1890
Family nameWILLIAMS Given namesMarion SexFemale Spouse's family nameEDMONDS Spouse's given namesJno
Marion was a daughter of Edward (Ned) Williams and Mary, nee Campbell, Her siblings were Carrie, who never married, Jimmy the squid who carried fish from the Rosebud area to the Mornington railhead, and Edward (Ted).These three are buried at Rye Cemetery opposite the grave of Sidney Smith Crispo, a great friend of the Williams family and grantee of "Eastbourne", Cassie's grave between those of James and Edwards' to prevent them quarreling in death as they had while living Ted's grave having no gravestone as he didn't deserve one in Cassie's opinion.
"Quamby" was on the west side of Purves Rd and was later occupied by another daughter of Walter Cairns, Ollie, and her husband, George Johnstone who hailed from Yering. Walter Cairns was a son of Alexander Cairns, grantee of "Menstrie Mains" on the north west corner of Browns and Boneo Rds.
In 1910, John and Marion Edmonds were leasing Ned Williams' grants which straddled Browns Rd just east of Truemans Rd and Caroline Williams was on Eastbourne. In 1919, Ned Edmonds was replaced as the occupant of Ned Williams' grants on the south side of Browns Rd east of Truemans Rd by James Woonton.
James had married Marion Edmonds, Ned Edmond's sister, who died in 1975. Before her death she sold land on "Henry Potton's Farm" east of Jetty Rd to the Parr brothers who established The Willows Caravan Park on it.(P.39, STORIES OF ROSEBUD WEST, Bettyanne Foster.) That's how Woonton Crescent got its name.
EventMarriage Event registration number11341 Registration year1915
Family nameWOONTON Given namesJas Hy SexUnknown Spouse's family nameEDMONDS Spouse's given namesMarion Adra (Alexandra!)
EventDeath Event registration number12983 Registration year1975
Family nameWOONTON Given namesMarion Alexandra SexFemale Father's nameEDMONDS John Mother's nameMarion (Williams) Place of birthCranbourne Place of deathFoster Age83
Ned died in 1985 so it must have been his father who was killed while leading a horse from the Tanti market.
EventDeath Event registration number17149 Registration year1985
Family nameEDMONDS Given namesEdward John SexMale Father's nameEDMONDS John Mother's nameMarion (Williams) Place of birthHamilton Place of deathMount Martha Age87
According to Ray Cairns, Ned later owned Menstrie Mains at Boneo.
WHO WAS KILLED? It WAS Ned's father, John, in 1923.
He was killed near the site of the McCrae Car Wash and was leading a horse. I thought my memory was playing tricks.
JOHN CALVIN GRIFFITH'S WIFE, MARY.
A photo of Christie Johnstone on the History of Flinders-Crib Point page reminded me that I had discovered Mary's ancestry by chance.
In A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, Colin McLear gave details of all the children of Cr. John Calvin Griffith of Dromana and Mary. Mary Who?
Having all the details of Christie Johnstone's descent from Oliver and Sarah Wilson, I entered "Henry Tuck, obituary" and got what seemed at first hand to be a useless response. But it wasn't, despite the journalist's usual error of rendering Griffith as Griffiths. Mary must have been Mary Dowling!
OBITUARY. DEATH OF MRS. C. DOWLING, By the death of Mrs Catherine Dowling, as mentioned in our last issue, another very old resident of the Mornington Peninsula has been removed from our midst. Mrs Dowling had reached the ripe old age of 86 years at the time of death. Although she was not suffering from any painful illness, she had been gradually failing under the pressure of her advanced years for some considerable time, and her death was not unexpected. She was possessed of an exceedingly kindly, warm hearted disposition, and very many old residents of the district, as well as the younger generation, will remember her as a true friend who had always a kindly word, and was ready to do a kindly action for anyone with whom she came into contact. The deceased lady was born in County Wicklow, Ireland, and reached Melbourne with her husband-who predeceased her by some nineteen years-in the ship " Marco Pauls " on Christmas Day, 1852. She was thus a colonist of nearly 59 years. After spending eight years, in other parts of Victoria, the Dowlings came to Stony Creek, now known as Shoreham, in the year 1860, and they were the first settlers to actually reside on their own holding in this locality, which was a portion of Tuck's Old Manton's Creek run. The country was, at the time of their acquiring the land, in a very rough state, and Mrs Dowling had many interesting incidents of hardships to relate. Her quaint sense of quiet humor always made these reminiscences pleasant to listen to. Their first homestead, a slab erection on the banks of the Creek, was totally destroyed by the collapse of a giant gum tree one very stormy night. In this instance Mr and Mrs Dowling had a very narrow escape from death. A large fork of the tree came down on each side of the bed upon which they were sleeping. Upon another occasion Mr Dowling, when some little distance away from the homestead, was forced by the ferocity of the dingoes to take refuge and spend the night up in the branches of a tree. Of Mrs Dowling's family three daughters and one son, all of whom are well known throughout the Peninsula, are surviving. These are Mrs J. C. Griffiths (sic) of Dromana; Mrs.Joseph Stanley of Balnarring; Mrs West, and Mr Christy Dowling, who was living at "The Glen" with his mother at the time of her death. The recent demise of one daughter, Mrs Henry Tuck, of Flinders, is sadly re- membered by her friends, as is also that of another daughter, Mrs J. West. A son, Mr Thomas Dowling, died some years ago, and another son expired in infancy. The remains of the deceased lady were interred in the Flinders general cemetery, when a very large number of people attended the funeral to show their last respects.
(P.3, Mornington Standard, 5-8-1911.)
Since I wrote my journal (type SARAH WILSON, HENRY TUCK in your search bar because the link doesn't work), I have discovered VICTORIAN BDM which helped me to realise that, according to page 70 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, John Calvin Griffith married Mary and sired 11 children AFTER HIS DEATH IN 1872!
EventMarriage Event registration number1672 Registration year1873
Family nameGRIFFITH Given namesJohn C SexMale Spouse's family nameDOWLING Spouse's given namesMary
JOHN CALVIN GRIFFITH DIED IN 1927!
EventDeath Event registration number14132 Registration year1927
Family nameGRIFFITH Given namesJohn Calvin SexMale Father's nameGRIFFITH Abraham Mother's nameRebecca (Hurley) Place of birth Place of deathDROMANA Age80
i COULDN'T FIND MARY GRIFFITH'S DEATH RECORD BUT THEN I REMEMBERED THE USUAL INCORRECT SPELLING OF THE SURNAME.
EventDeath Event registration number15605 Registration year1940
Family nameGRIFFITHS Given namesMary SexUnknown Father's nameDowling Thomas Mother's nameMary* (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathDromana Age87
(*Mary's mother's full maiden name may have been Mary Christine DAVIS.)
This was Mary's brother, not her father.
EventDeath Event registration number7427 Registration year1889
Family nameDOWLING Given namesThos SexMale Father's nameThos Mother's nameCath (David*) Place of birth Place of deathFlinders-balnarri Age28
(*Obviously a typo for Davis, the D and S keys being adjacent on keyboards.)
Mary's father, Thomas, died on 11/04/1892, aged 77 and is buried in the Flinders cemetery with many other family members.
John and Mary Griffith were buried at Dromana but as the gravestone has no details there are none on the ozgen list.
There are photos of John and Mary on page 71 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.
DEATH RECORDS OF MARY'S PARENTS.
EventDeath Event registration number6312 Registration year1892
Family nameDOWLING Given namesThos SexMale Father's nameThos Mother's nameMary (Bolger) Place of birth Place of deathFlinders Age77
EventDeath Event registration number8956 Registration year1911
Family nameDOWLING Given namesCath SexUnknown Father's nameDavis Thos Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown) Place of birth Place of deathFlinders Age86
On 6-2-1884, Thomas Dowling was granted crown allotment 3, section A, parish of Flinders, consisting of 109 acres 2 roods 39 perches bounded by the top of Melway 255 G1, Main Creek, a closed road running south west from the creek in the middle of J2 to the middle of H3, and Tucks Rd. He'd selected this land in about 1860.
ANOTHER GIBSON LINK WITH N.Z.
Walter Gibson's brother, John became a Kiwi and recently it was discovered that Walter's son, Water James, (not even listed on page 82 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA) had died in N.Z. Tom is listed as the last child of Walter and Margaret and he had probably met his future bride during a visit to the N.Z. branch of the family.
EventBirth Event registration number8472 Registration year1872
Family nameGIBSON Given namesThomas William Balantine SexUnknown Father's nameWalter Mother's nameMargaret (Purdie) Place of birthDROM
GIBSON—PISTOLES.—On the 6th July, 1909, at "Falkirk," Clifton Hill, residence of the bride's uncle, by the Rev. T. Brown, Thomas W. B.,youngest son of Walter Gibson, Esq., "Glenholme*," Dromana, to Elizabeth, daughter of the late Charles Pistoles, of New Zealand. (P. 13, Argus, 14-8-1909.)
*Walter Gibson always called the farm Glenholm but descendants may have added the e at the end.
Tom's full name was Thomas William Ballantyne Gibson.
EventMarriage Event registration number6063 Registration year1909
Family nameGIBSON Given namesThos Wm Ballantyne SexUnknown Spouse's family namePISTOLES Spouse's given namesElizth
APPARENTLY TOM AND ELIZABETH'S ONLY CHILD.
Their first child was born in Victoria.
EventBirth Event registration number23291 Registration year1910
Family nameGIBSON Given namesJean Mcintyre SexFemale Father's nameThomas Wm Ballantyne Mother's nameElizth (Pistoles) Place of birthST KILDA
No more of their children are listed as being born in Victoria up to 1920.
Tom died in Victoria.
EventDeath Event registration number5847 Registration year1953
Family nameGIBSON Given namesThomas Ballantyne SexMale Father's nameGIBSON Walter Mother's nameMargaret (Unknown) Place of birthDROMANA Place of deathHUGHESDALE Age81
So did Elizabeth, in the same year and area; Hughesdale is just south of East Malvern.
EventDeath Event registration number12438 Registration year1953
Family nameGIBSON Given namesElizabeth SexFemale Father's namePIDOLES Unknown Mother's nameJean (Unknown) Place of birthNEW ZEALAND Place of deathMALVERN EAST Age72
Elizabeth's death notice seems to confirm my belief that Thomas and Elizabeth only had one child. As the funeral parlour was only a Billy Brownless torp from Hughesdale, this has to be Elizabeth, nee Pistoles.
GlBSON. — On October 14, at private hospital, Elizabeth, dearly
beloved wife of the late Thomas, loved mother of Jean,- mother-in-law of Bert, loving grandmother of Lorraine and Heather.
GIBSON. — The Funeral of the late Mrs. ELIZABETH GIBSON will leave T. Renton's funeral parlor. 23 Station Street, Oakleigh,THIS DAY, at 11 a.m., for the Spring Vale Crematorium,(Both P.11, The Age, 16-10-1953.)
Jean became Mrs Willmott.
EventMarriage Event registration number13007 Registration year1940
Family nameGIBSON Given namesJean Mcintyre SexUnknown Spouse's family nameWILMOTT Spouse's given namesBert Leslie
JAMES WAS BURIED AT DROMANA CEMETERY. ENTRY FROM MY CHRONOLOGY OF BURIALS AT DROMANA.
4+-10-1951. JAMES GRAY, DROMANA.
GRAY. — On October 4, at Dromana, James, beloved husband of the late Alice Gray, loving father of Alice (Mrs. Hallowell). Ruth (Mrs. Mehegan). Katie and Wallace; aged 93 years. Formerly of Macarthur and Warrnambool. Victoria.(P.2, The Age, 6-10-1951.)
The age was digitised as 98 years but close examination of the page revealed that it was actually 93 as on the “marble on granite” gravestone at Dromana cemetery shown on the ozgen list.
There was no funeral notice.
The death record gave his age as 92, perhaps a typo.
EventDeath Event registration number23297 Registration year1951
Family nameGRAY Given namesJames
Father's nameGREY James Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown)*
Place of birthPORTLAND Place of deathDROMANA Age92
*See birth record at end of entry.
I suspected that the maiden name of the late wife of James was Neild and their daughter Alice’s death record did not provide her mother’s maiden name so I tried Ruth’s which confirmed my suspicion. Interestingly Ruth, born at Warrnambool, died at Dromana. Her sister Alice Hallowell (who, like her father, died at the age of 93) had probably married near her death place of Warrnambool.
RUTH’S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number4832 Registration year1965
Personal information Family nameMEHEGAN Given namesRuth
Father's nameGRAY James Mother's nameAlice (Nield)
Place of birthWarrnambool Place of deathDromana Age74
Ruth’s name is not on the ozgen list for Dromana but I wonder if she was buried with her father.
James and Alice were married in 1885.
EventMarriage Event registration number6141 Registration year1885
Personal information Family nameGRAY Given namesJames
Spouse's family nameNEILD Spouse's given namesAlice
A trove search revealed the Hallowell family as early and long-time Warrnambool residents and the NIELDS ditto at Macarthur.
JAMES GRAY’S BIRTH RECORD.
EventBirth Event registration number20242 Registration year1859*
Personal information Family nameGRAY Given namesJames
Father's nameJas Mother's nameCatherine (Black)
Place of birthP'LAND
*The age of 92 on the death record could be right and the age of 93 in the death notice and gravestone inscription wrong.
RUTH’S SECOND MARRIAGE.
She’’d married Alfred Greenwood in 1916 (reg. no.687.)
EventMarriage Event registration number2271 Registration year1941
Personal information Family nameMEHEGAN Given namesJas
Spouse's family nameGREENWOOD Spouse's given namesRuth
James had been a widower for 30 years when he died. He may have been living with Ruth at Dromana.
HIS LATE WIFE’S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number12321 Registration year1921
Personal information Family nameGRAY Given namesAlice
Father's nameNeild (SIC)James Mother's nameSarah (Mitchell)
Place of deathWARRNAMBOOL Age64
"Teenie" Gibson (No details on page 82 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.)
O'SHANNASSY -On the 31st March at the residence of her son T P O'Shannassy, Manangatang, Christina, relict of the late William O'Shannassy, Tyrrell Downs, and daughter of the the late Walter Gibson, Dromana aged 83 years.(P.13, Argus, 24-3-1934.)
EventMarriage Event registration number4241 Registration year1869
Family nameGIBSON Given namesChristina Nelson Rutherford SexUnknown Spouse's family nameOSHANASSY Spouse's given namesWilliam Vincent
DON'T TELL ME SHE MARRIED THE LOCAL (Dromana) POLICEMAN!
EventBirth Event registration number2121 Registration year1871
Family nameOSHANNASSY Given namesWilliam Rutherford SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Mother's nameChristina Nelson (Gibson) Place of birthDROM
The following well-deserved recognition of the services rendered by the undermentioned police constables at the prize fight catastrophe at Dromana appears in this week's Police Gazette: —
" To Constables William O'Shannassy,at Dromana, and George Stephens, at Mornington, Bourke district, £5 each has been awarded in acknowledgment of their services in saving human life on the occasion of a boat accident in July last."
Arising from the 1867 Dromana tragedy, William was a witness in Father Niall's trial in 1869.
CRIMINAL CHARGE AGAINST THE REV. PATRICK NIALL.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 13 September 1869 p 6 Article
... . Mr. Scurfield was in the room at the time. Constable O'Shannassy came in after the prisoner had had ... wished to speak to me privately. Mis. Scurfield and Constable O'Shannassy were in the room at the time ...
It is with deep regret that we have to announce the death of Mr W. R.O'Shannassy. The young man, who was only 28* years of age, recently came from Sea Lake, where his parents reside, to Dromana for the benefit of his health, and has been staying with his relations at 'Glen Holme.'(Glenholm!)Unfortunately the expected improve-
ment in his health did not take place, and he passed away on Tuesday. Much sympathy is felt for the parents
and relations in their sad loss.(P.2, Mornington Standard, 20-4-1912.)
The above was not William Rutherford O'Shannassy. His given names were Francis Rutherford.
O'SHANNASSY.-On the 16th April, at his grandfather's residence, "Glenholm," Dromana, Francis* Rutherford, fourth son of William and Christina O'Shannassy, Tyrrell Downs. (P.1, The Age, 18-4-1912.)
WILLIAM'S 1916 OBITUARIES.(COPY LINKS INTO SEARCH BAR.)
This was the son at whose residence both William and Christina died.
EventBirth Event registration number8506 Registration year1875
Family nameOSHANNASSY Given namesPeter Thomas SexUnknown Father's nameWilliam Vincen Mother's nameChristina (Gibson) Place of birthDROM
William Nelson was born in 1877 (reg. no. 2077) and William Rutherford in 1871 (reg. no. 2121.) If the latter was the one who died at Dromana in 1912, he would have been about 41, not 28.
William and Christina's other child listed on the Victorian BDM list of births was Lillian Clare Evelyn, born in 1880, Four sons and two daughters were mentioned in William's second obituary; if that was correct one son and one daughter have not been found.
Before I discovered Victorian BDM online, I was able to obtain some information about married women by googling maiden name, given name, married surname. As Christina was listed as the third child, Adam (1854-1937) being the first, on page 82 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, I'd spent hours trying to find her birth notice on Victorian BDM. A GIBSON,CHRISTINA O'SHANNASSY search has produced details about Christina, William and their other daughter.
William Vincent O'Shannassy, Circa 1841 - 1916
William Vincent O'Shannassy was born circa 1841, to Peter O'Shannassy** and Mary O'Shannassy (born Kerrigan).
Peter was born in 1819, in Athenry, Galway, Ireland.
Mary was born in 1822, in Newpass, Westmeath, Ireland.
William had 4 siblings.
William married Christina Nelson Rutherford O'Shannassy (born Gibson) in 1869, at age 28 at marriage place.
Christina was born in 1851, in Kilbucho, Peeblesshire, Scotland.
They had one daughter: Edith* Ethel May Loader (born O'Shannassy).
William passed away in 1916, at age 75 at death place.
*See Edith's death and marriage records below.She was the daughter whose birth record wasn't found.
**William's father was a police sergeant. Extract from William's second obituary above.
" I much regret to record the death of a very much respected resident, Mr William V. O'Shannassy, late of Tyrrell Downs.
The deceased was a native of Dublin, and came to the colony at the early age of eight with his father, Sergeant O'Shannassy. In his youth Mr O'Shannassy joined the police force, and after a very creditable service of 26 years, the latter portion of which he was senior-constable, he retired to follow farming pursuits at Tyrrell Downs, where he lived for twenty years, coming in the early part of this year to reside on his property near his sons,Messrs. T. P. O'Shannassy, J.P.,and V* O'Shannassy."
*AHA, THE MISSING SON. HIS DEATH RECORD.
N.B. Christina's maiden surname is wrongly given as Nelson, which was one of her given names.
EventDeath Event registration number34034 Registration year1960
Family nameOSHANNASSY Given namesVincent Rutherford SexMale Father's nameOSHANNASSY William Vincent Mother's nameChristina (Nelson) Place of birthBEULAH Place of deathSEA LAKE Age66
EDITH'S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number20308 Registration year1980
Family nameLOADER Given namesEDITH ETHEL MAY SexUnknown Father's nameO'SHANNASSY WI Mother's nameChristina Place of birth Place of deathBAIR Age95
EDITH'S MARRIAGE RECORD.
EventMarriage Event registration number4511 Registration year1911
Family nameOSHANNASSY Given namesEdith Ethel May SexUnknown Spouse's family nameLOADER Spouse's given namesJos Hy
While searching for Edith's marriage notice, I came across the 1915 farewell to William and Christina when they were leaving Tyrrell. William's experience, as a policeman FOR 26 YEARS, with official paperwork had made his assistance invaluable to his fellow settlers.
Although it is reasonable to assume that Edith died at Bairnsdale, it is also reasonable to assume that Edith and Joseph Henry Loader met, married and lived for quite some time in the Mallee. Their daughter, Edith (b. 1915), was the most successful Princess at Chillingollah in 1923.
EventMarriage Event registration number611 Registration year1861
Family nameWATSON Given namesPeter
Spouse's family nameMITCHELL Spouse's given namesMargaret
Margaret might have been a daughter of John Mitchell, a farmer near Dromana, who died of cancer of the stomach in 1862*. Peter Watson was commonly known as John Bryan**.
On page 74 of A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, Colin McLear, who’d been told that John’s real name was Bryan Watson, stated that John Bryan had married Miss Mitchell, member of a family early in the district.
The birth of two children of Peter and Margaret Watson, delivered by midwife Susan Peatey on 3-2-1867 and 27-10-1869, is documented in Rosalind Peateys’s PINE TREES AND BOX THORNS.
*JOHN MITCHELL. FRIDAY, AUGUST 1, 1862.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Friday 1 August 1862 p 4 Article
... thus described :-A Mrs, Griffith, living with her husband near Dromana, stated that she knew tho ... following; verdict -"That John Mitchell died on the 28th July, 1862, nt Kangerong, from cancer of the
**PETER WATSON/JOHN BRYAN.
Leader (Melbourne, Vic. : 1862 - 1918) Saturday 14 August 1869 p 21 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides
... NEW INSOLVENTS. iPeter Watson, commonly known as John Bryan, of Dromana, laborer. ? Oariaea of ... ; deficiency, £47 9s 9d: '?
GEORGE WATSON WAS BORN ON 27-10-1869 AND HIS SISTER, MARGARET ON 3-2-1867. (Rosalind Peateys’ PINE TREES AND BOX THORNS.)
Bryan- On the 23rd January at Warragul, George, eldest son of late J and M Bryan, Dromana, loved brother Margaret (W.A. ) Dunlop (Dromana) Maitland (Apollo Bay) aged ?? years. (P.1, Argus, 28-1-1936.)
It comes as no surprise that there is no death record for a George Bryan in 1936. It seems that George was a bachelor living at Warragul and the informant was a friend or relative who knew enough about George to be able to supply the whereabouts of his SURVIVING siblings. Mary Hamilton Dalimore may have been his sister but she had died in 1932. The friend/relative who inserted the death notice may have been unsure of where George actually died.
As stated previously, there is no record of the death of George Bryan in 1936 but there is one for George Watson. As nothing was known about his parents, the age given could be wrong. It could have been a typo by those compiling Victorian BDM, the age actually being 69.
EventDeath Event registration number1848 Registration year1936
Family nameWATSON Given namesGeo
Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown)
Place of birth (blank) Place of deathMbbin Age59
There was no death notice in 1936 for George Watson! Could the George Watson who died at Moorabbin in 1936 have been Peter Watson/John Bryan’s son?
EventBirth Event registration number21893 Registration year1869
Family nameWATSON Given namesGeorge
Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROMANE
George Bryan’s sister, Margaret was living in W.A. in 1936. Is this her birth?
EventBirth Event registration number1829 Registration year1867
Family nameWATSON Given namesMargaret
Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROMANA
AHA! GEORGE BRYAN’S OTHER SIBLINGS.
EventBirth Event registration number2079 Registration year1877
Family nameWATSON Given namesBryan Dunlop
Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROMANA
EventBirth Event registration number2028 Registration year1872
Family nameWATSON Given namesMaitland
Father's namePeter Mother's nameMargaret (Mitchell) Place of birthDROM
JOHN BRYAN’S DEATH RECORD.
EventDeath Event registration number12197 Registration year1909
Family nameWATSON Given namesPeter
Father's nameUnknown Mother's nameUnknown (Unknown)
Place of birth (BLANK!) Place of deathDromana Age80
Probable death record of John Bryan’s father in law. This is the only result for John Mitchell 1862 deaths with the right age.
EventDeath Event registration number7534 Registration year1862
Family nameMITCHELL Given namesJohn
Father's nameGeorge Mother's nameEllen (Oliver) Place of birthSCOT
Place of death (blank) Age62
The district coroner held an inquest on Wednesday, at Schnapper Point, on the body of a man named John Mitchell. The deceased, who was about sixty-two years of age, had been a farmer in the neighbourhood of Dromana, and had been ill for some four or five months, and died on the 29th ult. from cancer of the stomach, as the post-mortem examination showed. etc.(P.4, Argus, 1-8-1862.)
Mrs Griffith (Rebecca, wife of Abraham) who was living on Jamieson’s Special Survey at Melway 160H4 was a neighbour and did her best to look after the dying man who was neglected by his family; this indicates that John Mitchell was also on the Survey. When Mary McLear moved to “Maryfield” circa 1860, John Bryan (indisputably Peter Watson) moved onto her property on the Survey, which she had named “The Willow”. (P.74, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.) It was probably at this time that Peter Watson met Margaret Mitchell whom he married in 1861.