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Having been unable to insert new information into the existing journal or break this journal into parts (pre 1900 etc.), I decided to copy the existing journal into a word document. This is now (12-4-2017) up to the end of stage 1 and consists of 379 pages. In the word document, the surnames index is placed at the start so that burial entries can be located quickly for anyone requesting information regarding a particular surname.
In stage 1, I have examined all 2000* results for DROMANA CEMETERY, (limited to Victoria)on trove. Not all results concerned burials at Dromana but some burials would have been missed by searching for "DROMANA CEMETERY" for which there were only 855 results.
*There are well over 8000 results but trove only shows 2000. As it would be far too time-consuming to search for any burials that might have been missed, I will move to stage 2.
Stage 2 will involve those on the ozgen list for Dromana Cemetery, for whom there is no burial entry yet, buried before the mid 1950's and those with known connections to pioneering families. Hopefully some genealogical and biographical detail can be provided for each of these.
CURRENT (at 12-4-2017) ALPHABETICAL SURNAME INDEX.
ADAMS 1-4-1937, 1-11-1946; AUST 1970, 1979; ARKWELL 6-8-1951; BAKER 23-11-1938; BALDRY 5+-10-1932, 29-2-1936; BARKER 17-1-1948; BARNETT Late April, 1884; BARTHOLOMEW 25-7-1956, 1966; BENSON 7/8-4-1931, 2+-6-1934; BERTUCH 14-9-1953; BEST 8-8-1950; BIRCH 11-6-1953; BRADY 11-10-1887; 13-1-1888, 1891; BLACKER 6-2-1952; BLAKELEY 14-5-1949; BOAG 18+-8-1903, 27-5-1926; BOLDEN 12-12-1932; BOWRING 21+-8-1908; BRADY 29-10-1953; BREAR 16-7-1936, 19-1-1948; BROWN 15-3-1947, 23-6-1956; BRYAN Mid July 1907; BUCHER 17-5-1928, (4?-7-1930-extensive genealogy re Henry and Ann’s offspring), 4-6-1943; 3-7-1944; BUCIRDE 28-2-1938; BURCHETT Late March 1945; BURNHAM 4-4-1919, 11-4-1951, 12-6-1951; BURRELL 24-5-1892, 27+-11-1906, 11+-4-1910, 30-3-1953; BUSH 24-7-1946; CAIRNS 27-7-1922, 21-5-1927, 23-3-1935,1-8-1937, 4-8-1937, 29-12-1943; CARRIGG 15-1-1941, 27-10-1944, 29-12-1944; CHADWICK 14-1-1943, 21-9-1956; CHAPMAN 3+-2-1898, 24-6-1940, 26-6-1940, 4-4-1947, 7-7-1950, 7-3-1953, 28-6-1956; CLARK 27-9-1937; CLAPHAM 28-2-1952; CLARKE 25-1-1924; CLYDESDALE 4+8-1910, 27?-7-1927, 18?-7-1946, Mid Dec. 1937; COATES (17+)-1-1905; COBURN 8-12-1942, 11-9-1951; CONNELL Mid July, 1907; CONNELLY 10-6-1948; COOPER 23-1-1937; COPP 3+-4-1926, 19+-6-1941; CORNELL 8+-11-1897, 30-3-1953; CORNISH 31-3-1947; COUNSEL 18-6-1934, 24-10-1947; COWLISHAW (2nd Mrs H.W.Crichton 9+-4-1940), CRICHTON 21-1-1885, 12+-1-1926, 26-4-1934, 9+-4-1940, 18-2-1942; CRISTALL / CRYSTALL 28-6-1956; CROMWELL 30-4-1906; CUSSONS 14-5-1949; DAVIDSON 28?-7-1956; DAVIS (Janie 14+-10-1900?), 29-6-1953; DELAMORE 19+-7-1932; DEWAR 27-10-1944; DITTERICH 21-3-1947, 31-12-1956: DOWLING 11-10-1927; DUNHAM 19-1-1931; DYSON 16?-3-1908, 27?-9-1927, 22-10-1936, Mid Dec. 1937, 18-8-1943, 28-7-1944, (13+-12-1945?); EDWARDS 28?-7-1956; EVANS 23-10-1941, 31-3-1947; FAIRWEATHER 4-11-1922; FARRANT 21-4-1954; FARRELL 9-11-1938; FIELD 11-11-1917; FISHER 5-3-1951; FOX 8+-3-1909?, (6+)-9-1939; GADDES 24-9-1934; GADDES-BROWN 15-3-1947; GADSBY 10-11-1945; GAMBLE 16-7-1936; GEORGE 4-7-1906; GIBSON 23-9-1900, 1+-6-1901, 11-10-1911, 5+-12-1916, 23-1-1937, 26-6-1940, 22-8-1942, 23-2-1944, 4-4-1947, 27-5-1949; GRACE 23-1-1937; GRAY 12-11-1946, 4+-10-1951; GRIFFITH 11-10-1927, 24-7-1936; HADDOW 4-8-1937; HALDAN 16-11-1876; HARMER 6-12-1913 (not 1918); HAZLEDINE 13+11-1916, 11+-2-1934, 24-8-1935; HELYAR 30-3-1953; HENDERSON 16-11-1876; 20-1-1875, mid Jan., 1905, 28-7-1944; HENNESSY Rev. 2-8-1935; HIGGENS 13-5-1944; HIGGINS 15-1-1929; HILLIS mid Sept., 1895, 15-10-1900, 15-1-1935; HIPWELL (RONNIE'S ASHES (11+)-11-1956); HITCHINER 1970; HOLDEN 21?-8-1934; HOLLAND 16-7-1936; 19-1-1948 ; HOLMES 11-11-1917; HUDD 12-4-1952; INGLEFINGER 23-5-1940; JAMES (24?)-1-1907, 8-11-1921, 5-5-1941; JAMIESON 29/30-6-1888, 19-9-1919; (21+)-3-1893; JINNETTE 3-5-1944; JOHNSON 23-11-1929; JORDAN 27-4-1919, 22-4-1932, 12-4-1956; JOYES 23-10-1905; KEMP 6-3-1956; KIDGELL 29-8-1939, 29-2- 1940; KNIGHT 22-9-1952; LACCO 7-8-1934; LAWRENCE 24-5-1892 (Mornington Disaster); LINDSAY 29-7-1950; LOVELL 1-5-1954; McILROY 15-1-1935, 22-9-1926, 8-5-1937, 4-4-1942; McKEOWN (10+-3-1920, James, no death notice yet.); 7+-3-1928; 30-7-1930, 12-3-1932, 26-10-1932, 10-12-1936, 16-9-1945, 17-1-1950, 18-12-1950, 30-5-1953; McLEAR 16+-6-1918, 23-1-1937, 28-3-1950, 24-7-1950,(Salena (7+)-6-1966); 1970; MARTIN 18-2-1943; MATTHEWS 10-12-1943, 26-9-1945; MILLER (Flinders) 9-7-1956; MOAT 17+-12-1898, (8+)-3-1904, 25-1-1908, 11-6-1939, 6-7-1941; MORLET end Jan 1890; MURPHY 6?-3-1899, 28-5-1911; MYRING 12-4-1956; NASH May/June 1908,husband Frederick on 17-9-1940 (not 1910), daughter Frances Elizabeth on 28?-7-1956; NICHOL 23-11-1953; NICHOLS 3-7-1944; O'MALLEY 26-4-1949; PATTERSON 4-6-1943,(31-3-1947?) 8-8-1949; PAYNE 3-3-1950; PEATEY 24-7-1945, 16-1-1946, 24-10-1950, 22-8-1952, 19-6-1981; PEEBLES 23-11-1929; PERCIVAL 21-8-1940; PICKING 3-3-1950; PROSSER 24-7-1936; PURDIE 11-10-1911; PURVES 7-11-1913; RENOUF 24-7-1936; RICE 25/6-1-1933, 29-3-1937; ROBERTS mid Sept., 1895, 5-5-1941, 29-10-1953; ROSS 17-7-1915; RUDDUCK (17+)1-1905, 23-5-1930, 10-1-1935, (memorial only 1956); SAWYER 24-7-1936; SAXTON 13-8-1948; SELF 25-8-1937; SHAND (Mrs H.W.Crichton 9+-4-1940); SHAW 6-9-1905, 24-3-1912, 26-10-1932, 16-9-1945; SHEEHAN 6?-5-1945, 16-4-1956; SIMPSON 9-7-1956; SINCLAIR 23-8-1892;SINGLETON 22-10-1936, 28-7-1944, 27-11-1945; SMITH 20-5-1930; SPENCER 3-7-1935; STANLEY 11-10-1927; SUMBLER 9-1-1948; SYMONDS 27-7-1922; TALBOT 2+-5-1943; TAYLOR 31-5-1895, (21+)-4-1935, 13-2-1950; THORNTON 2-1-1952; TINKLER 19+-4-1917; TOMLINS 2-7-1937; TOWNSEND 23+-3-1904, (3-2-1936 contains all Townsend genealogy and biography found so far); TUCK 11-10-1927; TUDOR, 4-6-1946; TWISS 11-6-1948, 13-1-1951; TWYCROSS 14-12-1936, 26-11-1954; VINE 26-10-1932; WALTERS 5-9-1949; WAPLES May/June 1908; WARREN 26+-10-1919, 26-4-1948; WEBB 24+-8-1934, 18-10-1936); WELLING 30-4-1906; WHEELER 30-7-1948; WHITAKER 3-11-1947, 11-2-1948; WHITE 8-11-1921, 4?-7-1930, 20-12-1937, 5-5-1941, 28-1-1947, 3-11-1955; WILSHER 25-7-1956; WILSON 24-1-1919, (G.G. 18+-10-1933 right, 18+10-1934 wrong!), (nee McLEAR 17+-2-1936), Late Sept. 1945, 4-8-1948; WILSON (James, descendant of Sarah Wilson) 28-7-1954; WISEMAN 10+/12/1921, 5+/10/1923 , 10+-8-1942, etc.; WYSE 3-3-1939, 26-9-1945; WOOD (mother of Cr.F.E.Wood 24-12-1947); WRIGHT Late March 1945; YOUNG 10-12-1943, 17+-7-1944, 26-9-1945;
As burial entries, except for those already in the journal, will not be available on family tree circles, send me (itellya)a private message detailing the surname for which you'd like the burial entries) and you'll have these within days. When I have completed the journal, or done as much as I'm humanly able to do, I will provide the file to the Dromana and District Historical Society and any computer literate member should be able to supply the burial entries. As most burial entries contain death and funeral notices, you should be able to work out which ones concern your family. Some entries contain information supplied by members of the HISTORY OF DROMANA TO PORTSEA Facebook group and by joining this group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/251032988414470/) you will be able to send a private message to members who possess extensive information not given by me.
Many of those for whom entries are written are not listed in www.ozgenonline.com/~vic_cem/dromana/dromanaaf_data.htm
and I have not written entries for many of those who are in the ozgen list because my focus was on writing about pioneers, their descendants (when known or discovered), long-time early residents and slightly later residents whose contribution to the district could be demonstrated.
The group's Facebook page features old maps, newspaper articles, aerial photos, and photos of places such as the R.A.N.depot at Somerton, the water tower at the Greenvale Sanitorium etc.
If your family is known to have been involved in the area along Sydney and Mickleham Rds between Somerton Rd and Wallan, it's a fair bet that you'll find something about them in the body's publications on the internet. Say, for example, you've seen mention of your family member being at Kinlochewe, the only detail of this place in BROADMEADOWS: A FORGOTTEN HISTORY being that there was a toll gate there. In the group's articles you'll find that the origin of the name was that Mt. Ridley, a landmark for those travelling west across the Merri Creek, was originally called Kinloch Hill. You'll read of the tragedy of Captain Pearson's first marriage, his second marriage to a Godfrey girl (Frederick Race Godfrey's cousin) and his renaming of Kinloch Hill as Mount Ridley because of a topographical feature near the Godfrey estate in the old country.
Here are the families mentioned on the Facebook page.
1900'S: BOYD, CASSON, WARBURTON, SORRAGHAM, EDWARDS, MAHONEY,KERNAN, SIMMIE, WILLIAMS,HARVEY, COLLINS, FERGUSON,
HOWAT, McCALLUM, ANDERSON, POOLE, WALLBRIDGE, WILSON,BROOKER, GRAY, REVELL,
1800'S: PEARSON, GODFREY, McKENZIE, CROWE, JOHNSTON, CRINNION, BRODIE, DYSON-HOLLAND,KELLY (Ned), PARNELL,
The many articles are extensively researched, contain fantastic genealogical information and photos and are very easy to read. The list of articles can be found with a http://www.chig.asn.au/Photogallery.htm search.
Some of the pioneers are not the subject of an article but can be found by searching for a surname/ place,and the name of the group: e.g.1. SINCLAIR, CRAIGIEBURN HISTORICAL INTEREST GROUP.
RESULT: Mother Teresa School - Mt Ridley - Olrig Homestead
Olrig is of local historical significance for its association with James Malcolm, ... Malcolm was an associate of John Sinclair, of the Port Phillip Association ... the Craigieburn Historical Interest Group's website http://www.chig.asn.au/Olrig.htm ...
e.g.2. donnybrook, craigieburn historical interest group
RESULT: Fellows of Oakland Mickleham - WikiNorthia
Jul 27, 2014 - The Fellows' family grave is at the Donnybrook Cemetery. ...  Craigieburn Historical Interest Group, 'A list of Mickleham land owners in 1863”, ...
Sometimes the group's articles are published under its abbreviation: CHIG,such as the following one. I'd never seen any mention of the train being delayed by crashing through the gates at Craigieburn. If it hadn't the Kelly gang would not have been defeated. http://www.chig.asn.au/ned_kelly's_page.htm
FROM AN EMAIL TO VALERIE WILSON O.A.M.
Just in case a Yewers descendant asks what you know about John Yewers at (the original) Donnybrook, renamed as Kalkallo Township after a new Donnybrook sprang up near the north eastern railway in about 1872. Donnybrook Rd was the southern boundary of Kalkallo Township (a 1954 map of which is available online.)
EXTRACT FROM MY JOURNAL:
John Yewers was granted crown allotment 5 Moorooduc, consisting of 159 acres 3 roods and 9 perches. It was between Sunnyside Rd and Manmangur Creek (the eastern boundary of the Mornington Golf Club.) This property became known as "Sunnyside".
It is uncertain at the moment whether John had much to do with crown allotment 5. His purchase may have been for speculative purposes like the house blocks he bought at Donnybrook in 1855. His hotel would have kept him busy.
December 25th, on board the Yarra Yarra steamer, on her passage to Launceston, Emily Hayson Yewers, youngest daughter of Mr. John Yewers, late of the Albion Hotel, Bourke street.(P.4, Argus, 5-1-1853.)
Was Henry's presence at Somerville in 1859 linked with John's application for a licence for the Yewers' Family Hotel being refused? (P.6, Argus, 2-3-1859.)
Not deterred, John was running the bridge Hotel at Echuca in 1865 when he became insolvent.
(P.6, Argus, 6-2-1865.)
John was not the father of Henry, so they might have been brothers.
On page 17 of THE BUTCHER THE BAKER THE, Bruce Bennett provides the following information about the Yewers family.
Henry Yewers was among the first subscribers to the Somerville school in 1859. Henry had a butcher's shop in Main St, Mornington by 1869.In about 1873, Robert Lawson Yewers was a butcher at Mornington while Henry at Somerville and Alf at Yarraville carried on the same trade. Robert also owned the Somerville shop and had slaughteryards and land at** Moorooduc.
* Probably on c/a 5. Bruce several times failed to distinguish between the parish of Moorooduc and the locality of Moorooduc (based on Jones Corner.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) Wednesday 13 March 1878 p 1 Family Notices
... YEWERS-GROVER.-On the 7th inst, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev Jas Caldwell, Robert Lawson Yewers, of Footscray, to Mary Ann, second daughter of Mr W Grover, of Mornington ...
(William Grover was a builder and built Beleura for James Butchart.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) Saturday 23 March 1878 p 1 Family Notices
... months. YEWERS.-On the 22nd inst, at his son's residence, Nicholson-street, Footscray, Henry Hayson Yewers, late of Mornington, in the 69th year of his age. ... 422 words
MORNINGTON. - Councillors Jones* and Yewers were proposed, and the voting being equal, the decision by lot fell to Councillor Henry Yewers. (P.10,Argus, 19-11-1874.) Henry became the Shire President.
*Cr Jones was probably Alfred Jones of the Almond Bush Stud at Somerville,English-born but resident in Canada from the age of about 10, and one of the three Canadians who gave Canadian Bay its name.
WHICH JOHN YEWERS?
Publican, confectioner, government geologist? The geologist best shows a connection with Mornington and Donnybrook, having found gold near the Plenty in 1851 and coal near Schnapper Point in 1856, (the year after OUR John was granted his land nearby. Were they all the same man? The one who married Emily and whose daughter, Ada, married Fred Thiele was John Haysom Yewers.
John Haysom Yewers
Born in Hampshire, England on 24 Mar 1816 to Henry Haysom and Elizabeth Emm. John Haysom married Emily Moss and had 9 children. He passed away on 26 Jul 1879 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Parents: Henry Haysom 1781-1827 Elizabeth Emm 1789-1867
Spouse(s) Emily Moss 1822-1895
Henry Edward Yewers 1851-1886 Mary Elizabeth Yewers 1845-1917 Amelia Yewers 1848-1885 Alfred Haysom Yewers 1849-1934
Makalia Haysom Yewers 1849-1951 Emily Haydon Yewers 1852-1853 John Haysom Yewers 1854-1916* Ada Haysom Yewers 1857-1942 Harriet Yewers 1859-1892
Another connection between John Yewers' family and the peninsula was his daughter, Ada's marriage to a member of one of Doncaster's earliest pioneers. Doncaster isn't on the peninsula but Charles Thiele, one of the pioneers of the Red Hill Village Settlement, was killed on the Eaton's Cutting road between Red Hill and Dromana in the early 1900's and about 50 years later one of the family still living at Doncaster tempted fate by falling off a ladder at his holiday home at (Rosebud?)
THIELE—YEWERS - On the 20th June, ot St. Jude's Church, Carlton, by the Rev. Julius Lewis, Ambrose Frederick, third son of John Gottlieb Thiele, of Doncaster, to Ada, third daughter of the late John Yewers, late or Carlton. No. cards. (P.42, Leader, 3-8-1889.)
This marriage notice helped me to fill the gaps in the death notice of Ada's mother.
(YEWE)RS.-0n the 11th October, at the residence of her (daughte)r, (Ada*), Mrs F. Thiele, Doncaster, Emily Yewers (relict of) the late John Yewers, in her 73rd year. Interred (1)3 th. inst..(*Marriage notice , Leader, 19-10-1895.) Leader (Melbourne, Vic. : 1862 - 1918) Saturday 19 October 1895 p 35 Family Notices
The notice of 15-10-1895 on P. 1 of the Argus is almost identical .
YEWERS.—On the 11th inst., at the residence of her son-in-law (Mr. Fred. Thiele), at Doncaster, Emily, relict of the late John Yewers, in her 73rd year. A colonist of 48 years' duration. Interment on 13th
The following shows that John Haysom Yewers was the peninsula pioneer. Henry Haysom Yewers was obviously his brother. Robert Lawson Yewers' death at Footscray in 1914 meshes with Bruce Bennett's statement that the family later moved to Footscray.
Henry Haysom Yewers
Born in Hampshire, England on 1814 to Henry Haysom and Elizabeth Emm. Henry Haysom married Mary Lawson and had 8 children. He passed away on 1878.
Parents: Henry Haysom 1781-1827 Elizabeth Emm 1789-1867
Spouse(s) Mary Lawson 1818-1883
Children: Robert Lawson Yewers 1839-1914 John Henry Yewers
1842-1898 Walter Alfred Yewers 1844-1934 Hannah Amelia Yewers 1845-1914 Kate Ellen Yewers 1850-1934 Mary Jane Yewers 1852-1914 Otto William Yewers 1854-1854 George Thomas Yewers 1855-1921
YEWERS.— On tho 26th July, at Melbourne, John Haysom Yewers, a colonist of thirty-six years' duration, in .the sixty-fourth year of his age. (P.142, Illustrated Australian News, 30-8-1879.)
*The above was one of only two results on trove for John Haysom Yewers. Both were family notices although I did not impose this limit. Let's try J.H.Yewers. All results concerned the butcher in the second (and later) death notice, who was the son of the colonist of 36 years. The son was on the staff of the Lands Department in 1912 and is pictured with his colleagues. Perhaps the father was a government employee too!
OFFICERS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF CROWN LANDS AND SURVEY.
Punch (Melbourne, Vic. : 1900 - 1918; 1925) Thursday 27 June 1912 p 21 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides Illustrated
WAS JOHN HAYSOM YEWERS THE GOVERNMENT GEOLOGIST WHO DISCOVERED COAL NEAR SCHNAPPER POINT IN 1856 AND DID HE FIND IT ON C/A 5, MOOROODUC, THE FUTURE SUNNYSIDE?
I measured the distance along the highway from Main Street to Sunnyside Rd. It was exactly 16 cm. On Melway maps 3+, each mm. represents one chain (and 160 chains is exactly TWO MILES.)
The discovery of coal at Snapper Point,
which we lately noticed, has now been
confirmed. Last week Mr. Norton, from
•Melbourne, visited "the place, in one of his
small steamers, accompanied by a party
of gentlemen from Melbourne, and about
TWO MILES north of the point, they found
Mr. Yewers and half a dozen men busy
excavating a soft clay shale that " cropped
out" behind the granite so common in that
part. The coal was in thin irregular laminae
from a film to an inch in thickness.
The seams were irregular in thickness, and
not in one continuous bed; but the coal
looked pure, and was said to burn well.
(P.1, Gippsland Guardian, 22-8-1856.)
WHAT A STORY THIS HAS TURNED OUT TO BE, ALL BECAUSE OF A HOUSE IN KALKALLO TOWNSHIP.
The following confirms that John Haysom Yewers (or should we say John Haysom?) was the pioneer of Donnybrook (renamed Kalkallo). His namesake son was born there in 1854. He didn't keep c/a 5 Moorooduc for long.
FOR SALE, at Schnapper Point, that splendid FARM belonging to Mr. John Yewers, fronting the Bay, containing 100 acres fenced in, and 50 acres under cultivation, adjoining Mr. Cobb's farm, bounded by two Government roads 3 chains wide. Apply to Mr. John Yewers, Tennyson-street, St. Kilda. (P.8, Argus, 1-11-1858.)
Name: John HAYSOM
Given Name: John
Name: John YEWERS
Given Name: John
Birth: 24 Mar 1816 in Hampshire, England
Death: 26 Jul 1879 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia 1
Change Date: 16 Jan 2013 at 09:13
John was convicted of house breaking and burglary in July 1834 and sentenced at Southampton to 14 years in Tasmania. It is not known why he added the name YEWERS but a genealogist on an online discussion re convicts said that it was not uncommon for convicts to do that especially before birth certificates came in - and not only convicts but others too.
John arrived on the "Waterloo" on 2nd March 1835 and was assigned to the wharves to work. His convict history makes very interesting reading including being on bread and water, in solitary and also at one stage hard labour in chains. So he was a very cheeky boy. Anyway he settled down and was given a ticket of leave in 1843. Shortly before this he had applied to be married which was granted and he married Emily Moss daughter of a convict, but herself free.
He left Tasmania and moved to Victoria and became a publican and obviously made money in the gold rush era as he went back to see the family in England and probably encouraged them all to emigrate. The "Mississippi" was mainly filled with Haysoms of one sort or another. He was also on the "Mississippi" passenger list with his son. (Source: D. McDonald & V. Maine)
Father: Henry HAYSOME c: 22 Jul 1781 in Burghclere, Hampshire, England
Mother: Elizabeth EMM b: Abt 1789 in Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England
Marriage 1 Emily MOSS b: Abt 1822
Married: 13 Mar 1843 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia 2
Change Date: 12 Jan 2011
Has Children Henry Edward YEWERS b: 22 Dec 1843 in Hobartown, Tasmania, Australia
Has Children Mary Elizabeth Haysom YEWERS b: 29 Sep 1845 in Hobartown, Tasmania, Australia
Has Children Amelia Haysom YEWERS b: 1848 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Has Children Alfred Haysom YEWERS b: 1849 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Has No Children Makalia Haysom YEWERS b: 1849 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Has No Children Emily Haysom YEWERS b: 25 Dec 1852 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Has Children John Haysom YEWERS b: 1854 in Merri Creek, Victoria, Australia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Has Children Ada Haysom YEWERS b: 1857 in Collingwood, Victoria, Australia
Has No Children Harriet YEWERS b: 1859 in St Kilda, Victoria, Australia
Has No Children YEWERS b: 1859 in St Kilda, Victoria, Australia
Abbrev: BDM Victoria, Australia
Title: BDM Victoria
Page: 1879/ 8433
Abbrev: BDM Tasmania, Australia
Title: BDM Tasmania, Australia
Page: 383/ 1843 RGD 37
A trove search for KALKALLO in the 1840's, revealed that almost every mention of Kalkallo was about the pound and COMPLAINTS, dismissals, allegations of corruption. It is almost certain that Donnybrook was named after a place in the old country but it would be easy to mount a case that it was so-named because of the goings-on about the pound. The first pound had been abolished within two years of land in the parish of Kalkallo being alienated.
It is indeed a fact that there were two DONNYBROOKS, the one on the highway and the one near the station after the north eastern railway was built. I couldn't resist the temptation to include this in the title of my journal.
TROUBLE FROM THE START.
NEW POUNDS. ----- Mr. Henry Douglass was also appointed poundkeeper for the Kalkallo pound, which is about to be re-established in the township of Kalkallo, near the station of Dr. Patterson*.We trust that the abuses which caused the abolition of the former Kalkallo pound**, will not attend the conduct of the one now contemplated.
(Port Phillip Patriot and Melbourne Advertiser (Vic. : 1839 - 1845) Thursday 11 November 1841 p 3 Article)
*Patterson received the grants for about two thirds of the entire parish in 1840.)
**Felix complained on 30-9-1841 that the pound was "hidden" (although its site was agreed on by Kalkallo residents), that most of the impounded stock was bought by the poundkeeper and that the keeper was absent at the advertised time for a big sale. (http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/226510817?searchTerm=kalkallo%20POUND&searchLimits=l-decade=184|||l-year=1841)
Felix (Happy) was a strange pen name for such a letter but his complaints were found to be correct.
The Kalkallo Pound. — In consequence of the recent exposure of the extraordinary doings at the Kalkallo Pound, the magistrates in.Petty Sessions have determined upon its abolition. Rand, the pound keeper,had previously been compelled to resign. There is more about the poundkeeper's pranks.
(Port Phillip Patriot and Melbourne Advertiser (Vic. : 1839 - 1845) Thursday 14 October 1841 p 2 )
The same paper (Thursday 7 October 1841 p 2) gave his name as Robert Rand.
IN THE RED CORNER, ROBERT REEVES!
To the Editor of the Melbourne' Times.
Kalkallo, 1st Nov , 1843,
Sir,— Being averse to indulge in the spirit of retaliation, nothing but a regard to the feelings of my friends would induce me to publish the following communication which may serve to exhibit the equivocal means resorted to, in order to avoid the just and legal expenses upon certain cattle impounded, belonging as I understand to James Manning Esq. J, P. and Dr. Martin, J. P. in the charge of Mr E.Sturt on thirds, who alleged certain complaints against me before the Police Bench on the 25th September, which terminated in my being removed from the Pound, an office which I consider at the best a most ungracious and invidious one; and in which a man's best motives may be exposed to the worst construction,
I am Sir, Your obedient servant,ROBERT REEVES.
To James Malcome (sic), Esq.
Dear Sir, — It having been stated in evidence at the Police Bench by Mr E. Sturt, "that you had previous to your departure for Sydney, made him a promise not to impound any of his cattle trespassing upon the lands to which you are agent.— that your brother having done so was contrary to your instructions and must have been in
collision with me,"; Now that you are returned from Sydney may I beg to enquire of you, whether there is any foundation in this statement as far as you are concerned as the conclusion deduced therefrom is highly prejudicial to the character of your brother as well as myself.
I'm dear sir, Yours respectfully,ROBERT REEVES. Kalkallo, 15th Oct., 1843.
Mr. Robt. Reeves.
Dear Sir, — In reply to your letter of yesterday I beg to state, that so far from having made any promise to Mr Sturt respecting the impounding of cattle, I have never had any communication with that gentleman, nor have I any knowledge of his personal appearance, neither did I communicate with him through any other person on this or any other subject.
I am dear sir, Your obdt. servant.J. MALCOLM*.
Mercer's Vale, 16th Oct., 1843.
P. S. I consider the liberty of his using my name in this manner very unjustifiable on his part, at which I am extremely surprised. J. M.
(All letters on P.3, Melbourne Times, 7-11-1843.)
(*The following article has fantastic information about James Malcolm's rags to riches story in just under two decades, his farm on the southern slopes of Mount Ridley and his family.
James Malcolm and Olrig Homestead - Craigieburn Historical Interest ...
NOTICE is hereby given that at a Court of Special Petty Sessions, holden at Melbourne, for the County of
Bourke, on Saturday, the second day of January, instant, MR. WILLIAM THANE, was appointed Poundkeeper, at the above pound, in room of Mr. Thomas Johnston, dismissed.
W. R. BELCHER, Clerk Petty Sessions. Melbourne, Police Office, 6th January, 1847.
(P.2, The Melbourne Argus, 8-1-1847.)
A POUNDKEEPER WHO ACHIEVED GREAT FAME.
I'm sure Kalkallo will be willing to share with Dromana the honour of an association with the pioneering vets.
Harry Rudduck, son of the Rev. Joseph Rudduck, and nephew of Nelson Rudduck of Dromana, used a red duck as his trademark, red duck being the origin of his surname. Harry farmed at Boneo and retired to Williams St, Dromana. His only child was Tommy.(A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA, Colin McLear.)
There were very few veterinarians in Australia in the late 19th century and the
start of the 20th century either in government service or private practice. In
1880 there were fewer than 50 qualified veterinarians in practice in Australia1
Treatment of diseases in animals was largely dependent upon practitioners
compounding their own medicines for the animals of their clients, with
emphasis on dogs, cats, horses and poultry.
The following veterinarians are two who made significant contributions as
pioneers in the development of this industry.
A standout amongst these early practitioners was Graham Mitchell in
Melbourne. He was a graduate of the Edinburgh University in 1854, moving to
Australia in late 1855. It took some time for him to establish a successful
veterinary practice in Melbourne in Kirk’s Bazaar. He also spent some time
working for the Victorian Government. He was responsible for identifying
Cumberland Disease as Anthrax. He made many significant contributions to
the veterinary profession and livestock industries but perhaps his most
significant contribution to the early days of a veterinary pharmaceutical
industry was the production of ‘Pleuropneumonia Inoculating Lymph’ to
protect cattle, with reasonable success, against this major cattle disease. He
started his work on this product in 1861 and continued to market it for many
Harold Rudduck3, 4
Harold Rudduck was born in England in 1873, migrating with his family to
Victoria. After attending Melbourne Church of England Grammar School, he
completed a Diploma of Agriculture at Longeronong Agricultural College,
where he won a scholarship to the Melbourne Veterinary College, from which
he graduated with honours in 1894 and worked as an assistant to W. T. Kendall.
In 1895 he established a veterinary practice at 47 Queen Street, Melbourne. He
held positions with a number of organisations, including the Williamstown
Racing Club and the Brighton Town Council where he held the position of
meat inspector. It was during this time that he developed the ‘Stock Medicine
Chest’, the production and sale of which was to form a basic part of his future
Ruddocks’s Stock Medicine Chest
He served in the Boer War, following which he returned to the UK for an
extended period, during which time he was a reserve officer recalled to active
service in Egypt in 1915.
In 1923 he set up a dispensary in Lonsdale Street, Melbourne, manufacturing
products to improve pet and animal health, with emphasis on products to
control fleas and ticks, nutritional supplements and basic grooming needs. He
also manufactured veterinary surgical instruments. He developed a network of
sales representatives in south eastern Australia. It was at this dispensary that he
produced the first vaccine for pulpy kidney (enterotoxaemia) and contagious
In 1929 he established Rudduck and Co. Pty. Ltd. The bacteriological testing
and the manufacture of veterinary products was taken over by Rudduck Serum
Laboratories Pty Ltd in 1939. He later moved the business to larger premises at Moorabbin.
While doing a google search in order to find the location of the Kalkello pound, I stumbled across a google book that claimed that Graham Mitchell became the poundkeeper at Kalkallo in 1858 while operating a veterinary business in Melbourne.
(Clearing a Continent: The Eradication of Bovine Pleuropneumonia from ...
L. G. Newton, Ronald Norris - 2000 - Technology & Engineering
But apparently it was Graham Mitchell to whom that honour was due. ... In 1858 he was appointed pound keeper at Kalkallo, some 35 km north of Melbourne.)
While no evidence has been found on trove of him operating the pound in 1858, he was definitely appointed in that year.
PDF, 4.0MB - Victoria Government Gazette
1858. -. Appointments, &c.—continued. Clow, James Maxwell, warden of the gold fields, 10; Chinese ..... Mitchell, Graham, poundkeeper, Kalkallo,
However, evidence from trove indicates that he was probably already at Kalkallo when he was appointed as poundkeeper. I wonder if the infirmary was for animals only.
DONNYBROOK, |Kalkallo Rocky Water-Holes,Sydney-road.-G. MITCHELL, Druggist and Veterinary Surgeon. N.B.-Infirmary, stables, and paddock rear of Fountain Inn. 286 may 8 (P.8, Argus,17-2-1858.)
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Wednesday 9 November 1859 p 2 Advertising
... November, 1859. GRAHAM MITCHELL, Poundkeeper.
The Victorian Farmers Journal and Gardeners Chronicle Saturday 17 August 1861 p 29 Article
... . If not claimed and expenses paid, to be sold on 4th September, 1861, Graham Mitchell, poundkeeper.
The Farmer's Journal and Gardener's Chronicle (Melbourne, Vic. : 1862 - 1864) Saturday 17 May 1862 p 14 Article
... exponeed paid, to be sold on 4th June, 1862. Guaiiam Mitchell, poundkeeper. Kalkallo.
At Kalkallo, by W. Kyle, Esq.-Trespass 6d each. 678 Light bay filly, star and snip, no visib o brands 674 Chesnnt filly, draught, large blaze, no brand. 675 Bay colt, draught, like GO near shoulder, star. If not claimed and expenses paid, to ho sold on 2nd September, 1863. Graham Mitchell,
The Farmer's Journal and Gardener's Chronicle Saturday 15 August 1863 p 14 Article
ADJOURNED CERTIFICATE MEETINGS.
IN RE GRAHAM MITCHELL..
The Insolvent, once a poundkeeper in the country, and lately a veterinary surgeon in Melbourne. was examined at some length by Mr Macgregor, who appeared for the creditors respecting his accounts with the pound in question some two years since, and those as to the other avocations he pursued while he was in that capacity.
Mr Macgregor then addressed the Court shortly, in opposition to the issue of the certificate*. The Commissioner reserved judgement for a week. (P.6, The Australasian,22-10-1864.)
*CERTIFICATE OF DISCHARGE FROM INSOLVENCY.
QUEENSLAND HORSE-SHOES IN MELBOURNE.
SIR: Will you permit me to state that the horse-shoe exhibited by me was made by Messrs. Mc'Lean, Elizabeth-street, Brisbane, to whose superior workmanship may mainly be attributed any merit the exhibit has received.
Yours truly, GRAHAM MITCHELL.(The Queenslander Saturday 9 March 1867 p 12 Article)
MR. GRAHAM MITCHELL AND
The Central Board ol Health have refused
to recognise vaccination certificates given by
Mr Graham Mitchell, veterinary surgeon,
Kirk's Bazaar, and have threatened to prose
cute Dr Reid lor issuing certificates with re
spect to Mr Mitchells vaccinations. The
board are advise by the law officers of the
Crown that the act requires the operation to
be performed, as well as certified to, by
medical men, and that the law is not com
plied with when a layman has vaccinated a
child and a medical prictitioner certified
that the operation has been successfully
performed. Mr Graham Mitchell pro
teste against this decision, and a
deputation introduced by Mr. L. L.
Smith M.L.A., waited upon the Chief Secre
tary yesterday on the subject. Thye asked
that no further prosecutions should be in
stituted against parents whose children have
been vaccinated by Mr. Mitchell until the
law as to the certificates had been more clearly
interpreted and they argued that the act was
complied with if a medical man certified that
vaccination had been successfully performed.
It was mentioned that Mr Mitchell had
vaccinated more than 14,000 children during
the past five years. Mr. Akehurst said that
the members of the Central Board of Health
considered it their duty to administer the act
as interpreted to them by their legal advisers.
Mr. Pearson thought the intention of the
act was as laid down by the law
oflicers of the Crown that only medical
practitioners could certify, and that the
vaccination must be performed by the
person certifying. The act set forth
that if a child was not in a fit state for suc
cessful vaccination a certificate to that
fact should be given and a veterinary
surgeon could not claim to be competent to
do that. However, it was entirely a question
of law, and he would consult the legal
advisers of the Government. (P.3, Argus, 13-5-1887.)
DEATH OF MR. GRAHAM
It will be learned with regret that yester-
day morning Mr Graham Mitchell, the well
known veterinary surgeon, was found dead
in bed at his rooms, Kirk's Bazaar. Mr.
Mitchell had not been seen since the 4th inst.,
and his office remained closed, but no appre-
hension was at first awakened by the fact, as
it was concluded he was out of town. When,
however, his absence became prolonged
some anxiety was felt. On Wcdnesday
evening one of his friends climbed up to the
office window, and saw some portions
of his clothing lying on a chair.
This aroused some anxiety, but still there
was a reluctance to break into the place.
Yesterday morning the facts were com-
municated to the police, and the door was
broken open. Mr. Mitchell was then found
lying dead in a very peaceful attitude,
indicating that he had expired in his sleep.
The body was in an advanced state of decom-
position. Some letters were found unopened
on the floor which had been pushed under
the door. Some of them bore the postmark
of the 4th inst., and had probably
been delivered on the morning of the
5th. It is therefore concluded that
he died on the night of the 4th inst.
The body was remove to the morgue, where
Dr. Moore made a post mortem examination.
He found, as had been anticipated, that death
resulted from natural causes. An inquest
will be held at 11 o'clock this morning. The
deceased, who was unmarried, was between
50 and 60 years of age. He was a fellow of
the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons,
and was honorary veterinary surgeon to the
National Agricultural Association of Victoria.
He was, however, more widely known in con-
nection with the vaccination of children with
lymph obtained directly from the calf, in which
he took a great interest. The funeral of the
deceased gentleman will take place this after-
noon, leaving from Kirk's Bazaar at 2 o'clock. (P.8, Argus, 15-6-1888.)
This journal was prompted by my post on the CRAIGIEBURN HISTORICAL INTEREST GROUP'S Facebook page. Mount Fraser is indeed a spectacular monument to the Fraser family.
MOUNT FRASER, BEVERIDGE. Mount Fraser near Beveridge is heritage-listed, probably because Hume and Hovell are claimed to have first seen Port Phillip Bay in 1824. Many sources state that Mount Fraser was originally known as Big Hill and there are countless websites that describe its volcanic origin and it being the source of most of the scouria supplied to Melbourne. Was Mount Fraser named after a pioneer or just some big-wig? No website has stated why and when Big Hill was renamed.
THE Friends of the late JOHN FRASER, Esq , are respectfully invited to follow his remains to the place of Interment, Campbellfield* Cemetery. The funeral to leave his late residence, Mount Fraser, Beveridge, THIS DAY, Saturday, at 11 o'clock a m, arriving at Campbellfield, about 2 o'clock p.m. JOHN DALLY, undertaker, Latrobe and Spring streets, Melbourne. (P.8, Argus, 23-2-1867.)
(* Two cemeteries were referred to as the Campbellfield cemetery, the Will Will Rook Cemetery at Melway 7 B9 and the one at the historic Scots Church at 7 F6. John Fraser and several family members were buried at the latter. The following website shows not only the gravestone but also a map showing its location.
Scots Church Burial Ground Campbellfield - Australian Cemeteries
A trove search indicates that Mount Fraser was first mentioned in early March 1853 when two of Alexander Fraser's horses were reported as having been stolen and the first mention of John Fraser in connection with the property was in October, 1854. John Fraser seems to have been on "Mount Fraser" by 1946 when his son Lachlan died (according to the gravestone.) The burial ground at Scots Church was established in 1844 so it is entirely possible that Lachlan was buried there in 1846. Alexander Fraser (on Mount Fraser in 1853) might have been near the Darebin Creek at that time. (Fraser Alexander: farmer·: Gallic Hill: Darabin Creek: source: 1847E - RootsWeb - Ancestry.com
" Scots Church Campbellfield is found on the eastern side of the Hume Highway on the northern outskirts of Melbourne at 1702 Sydney Road, Campbellfield, Victoria. The church opened in 1842, was on 5 acres, and was a gift from Mr Neil Campbell of the Campbellfield Estate and formally from the Isle of Mull. The burial ground in the churchyard was established in 1844 during the time of the first Presbyterian minister, the Rev Thomas Mowbray." (http://www.australiancemeteries.com.au/vic/hume/scots.htm)
The trove search revealed that Mount Fraser presented a challenge to those daring young men in their flying horseless carriages in the 1920's. Also, an Australian gliding record was set there in 1942. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50154117?searchTerm=%22mount%20fraser%22&searchLimits=
Isn't it nice that one of Beveridge's main landmarks is named after a pioneering family's farm.
Alexander Fraser, whose horses disappeared from "Mount Fraser" in 1853 was John Fraser's eldest son.
FRASER.—On the 1st inst., Alexander, eldest son of the late John Fraser, of Mount Fraser, Beveridge.
THE Friends of the late Mr ALEXANDER FRASER, of Mount Fraser, Beveridge, are respectfully invited to follow his remains to the place of interment in the Campbellfield Cemetery.
The funeral will leave from No. 83 Collins-street east, Melbourne, THIS DAY (Thursday, the 3rd inst.), at 12 noon, arriving at Campbellfield at 2 o'clock. (Both P.1, Argus, 3-8-1882.)
Does the following provide a clue to the maiden name of John Fraser's wife?
On the 14th inst., Mr. Alexander Fletcher, eldest son of the late Angus Fletcher, Esq., Aros, Island of
Mull, Scotland, and nephew to John Fraser, Esq., of Mount Fraser, Victoria.(P.4, Argus, 19-1-1858.)
FRASER.—On the 10th inst., at her residence, Gnarwarre, Park-street east, Moonee Ponds, Annie, the beloved youngest daughter of the late John Fraser, of Mount Fraser, Beveridge.
FRASER,--The Funeral of the late Miss ANNIE FRASER, youngest daughter of the late John Fraser (of Mount Fraser, Beveridge), will leave her late residence, Gnarwarre, Park-Street east, Moonee Ponds, for the Campbellfield Cemetery, THIS DAY, Friday,11th inst. at 11 o'clock.(Both P.1, Argus, 11-10-1895.)
FRASER.—On the 20th ult., at his residence, Mount Fraser, Mr. John Fraser, late of Argyleshire,Scotland, aged 77 years.
FRASER.—On the 20th ult., at his residence, Mount Fraser, Mr. John Fraser, late of Argyleshire, Scotland, aged seventy-seven, years. Much and deeply regretted by a numerous circle of friends, being one of the oldest and most respected colonists.(P.27, The Australasian, 2-3-1867.)
FRASER.—On the 27th inst., at her residence, Mount Fraser, Beveridge, Catherine Fraser, relict of the late John Fraser, aged 74 years.(P.1, Argus, 29-12-1877.)
THE Friends of the late Mr. HECTOR FRASER, youngest son of the late John Fraser, of Mount Fraser, are respectfully invited to follow his remains to the place of interment, in the Cambellfield Churchyard.
The funeral will leave his late residence, Willow-cottage, Moonee-street, Ascotvale, THIS DAY (Monday, 8th inst.) P.1, Argus, 8-12-1890.
It would appear that the family's farming came to a halt not long after Alexander's death, a clearing sale being advertised in 1882. (Leader (Melbourne, Vic. : 1862 - 1918) Saturday 19 August 1882 p 15 Advertising)
The farm seems to have originally comprised 359 acres.
SPLENDID GRAZING PROPERTY To LET at BEVERIDGE 359 ACRES FIRST-CLASS LAND.
TENDERS will be received by the undermentioned, up to 25th April. 1889, for LEASE for five years of 359 Acres of splendid LAND, at Beveridge adjoining the railway station, known as the Red Barn and Mount Fraser, all securely fenced, and well watered by never-failing springs and dam. (P.6, The Australasian, 13-4-1889.)
SATURDAY,. 30th NOVEMBER.
About Half-past 4 o'Clock (after arrival of 2.40 p.m. train from Melbourne).
"Mount Fraser," Beveridge and Growing Crop.
GEORGE HOWAT has received instructions from Mr. Stanly Lyon to sell. by auction, (through his auctioneer) on the property,Saturday, 30th November; about 4.30 p.m., after arrival of 2.40 p.m. train from. Melbourne, that excellent farm known as MOUNT FRASER, Almost adjoining the Beveridge railway,station, and .within 26 miles of Melbourne, comprising 203 acres 1 rood 27 perches of rich volcanic Chocolate soil; with splendid
growing crop of 125 acres oats and 25 acres barley. Comfortable bluestone dwellings, substantial outbuildings and fencing, part newly erected, subdivided, - permanently watered.(etc.) P.2, Leader, 23-11-1912.)
TUESDAY, JANUARY 17th, 1950 At 3.30 p.m. SCOTT'S HOTEL, MELBOURNE On Account - Charles . Smith, Esq. Public Auction , Well-Known Freehold
MOUNT FRASER ESTATE
204 Acres, Beveridge
Highly Improved Farm. Situated on the Southern Slope of Mt. Fraser, 24 Miles from Melbourne, half Mile Beveridge R.S., P.O.. School and Shopping Centre, on the Hume Highway, and Part in Town Boundary. 204 Acres — Rich Volcanic Soil (No Waste Land). Subdivided Into Several Conveniently Sized Paddocks.40 Acres In Town Boundary Have Been Surveyed Into half acre Blocks. At Present This Paddock is Under Barley. In Addition There are About 70 Acres Oats. Watered by Bore and Windmill, with Troughing Attachments Providing Abundant Supply Suitable for Plant Life. The Property Would Make- An Excellent Stud Farm.
Dwelling of Bluestone with Timber Annexe, 7 Rooms In Excellent Order, and Good Outbuildings. Nice Garden and Orchard, with an Attractive Drive of Red Gum Trees from the Gate. Possession March 1. 1950 (After Harvest).
(P.8, Weekly Times, 11-1-1950.)
WHO'D WANT TO BE A FAMILY HISTORIAN?
My great grandfather got a great write up in BROADMEADOWS A FORGOTTEN HISTORY but as I discovered while conducting rate research for my brother, a family historian, most pioneers rated nary a mention. That's why I have spent about half of my waking hours providing local history to family historians since 1988.
While doing a WHITE, MAIN RIDGE, DROMANA search on trove, I found some errors that could hide information sought by family historians. Charles Graves Jnr of Shoreham is on the list of burials at Flinders Cemetery as Charles CRAVES. Mrs Margaret Haddow's obituary calls her Mrs Margaret Haddon. She was buried at Flinders but is not on the burial list.
The former was the son of Charles Graves (died 1906) who was much involved with the McLear family. He and Brownlee leased 4000 acres of Jamieson's Special Survey in 1851 and obviously sub let a portion of it to Mary Ann McLear, who called her little farm (on the bank of Dunns Creek) The Willow. He and Mary Ann were partners in a hawking business and George McLear was with him at Little Scotland when one of the blonde Cairns youngsters complained ,"Ae cunnae crruck a whee whip yet." In the year before he left to establish a store at Shoreham, Charles Graves Snr. bought a property opposite the drive-in site, had it fenced by the Rymer brothers and sold it to Mary Ann.
Margaret Haddow's husband was the shepherd at Barragunda and obtained the grant for c/a 9 Fingal on the east side of Old Cape Schanck Rd north of the junction of that road with Patterson and Boneo Rds. The triangular block to the west, c/a 9A, was granted to Governor Latrobe's cousin, E.Latrobe Bateman who was involved in the design of the Barragunda homestead (probably internal.) This property was later occupied by Carrier Harry Cairns so it is no surprise that he married Margaret's daughter, Margaret.
Imagine how excited GRAVES and HADDOW family historians would be to discover the HISTORY OF DROMANA TO PORTSEA Facebook page. There they would discover that Charles Graves Jnr. and Margaret Haddow actually were buried at Flinders despite their names not appearing on the burial list, as well as details about where they lived etc.
This journal will take years to complete but here's a start.
This morning I needed to continue the grind of the CHRONOLOGY OF BURIALS AT DROMANA, by adding biography for Mary Ann Peatey's entry from PINE TREES AND BOX THORNS. But I wasn't up to starting while I sipped my first coffee of the day and I'd been thinking a chronology of the Mornington Peninsula would be a good project if I ever found the time. And I don't believe in rehashing what has already been written, by Leonard Wilding in 1907, countless articles in 1934 etc. Would you believe that the Yanks were sailing past the peninsula before the short-lived settlement at Sorrento was established or Port Phillip was even discovered? The 25-1-1802 entry resulted from a BASS'S STRAITS search on trove and I'll bet this information won't be found in any existing history.
The following is the Copy of a Letter from Capt. Eliphalet Smith, of the Brig Fanny, extracted from a New York Paper, dated at Sea, Jan. 25, 1802.
I am now on my passage from Port Jackson for Batavia, and am within a few days sail of that place; my route was thro' Bass's Straits which separate Vandieman's Land from New Holland. Mine is the first American ship that has ever made this passage and I flatter myself, from the observations I have made, that this passage (which has hitherto been considered impracticable by all seamen, owing principally to the Western winds prevalent in this lat.) will be rendered not only safe but expeditious, and of considerable advantage to the mercantile
(The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1803 - 1842) Sunday 27 November 1803 p 2 Article)
THE DISCOVERY OF PORT PHILLIP.
The following interesting letter by Mr P. G. King, of Sydney, grandson of Governor King, relative to the discovery of Port Phillip, appears in the Argus of the 4th inst :—
( The very long letter contains incredible detail about early surveying of coast lines. Extract only. Lieutenant Grant, a friend of Captain Schanck who had designed the Lady Nelson with its sliding keel, had not noticed the entrance while bringing the vessel out or during his extensive survey. )
In January, 1801, Grant was followed through the straits by a small brig commanded by a Mr Black, who in passing
discovered and named King Island. After a short refit Grant proceeded to Western Port, accompanied by Ensign
Barreillier, and made an extensive examination and survey, returning to Sydney on 14th May. Here Grant left his
vessel, and went back to England, being succeeded in the command by his officer,Murray, now appointed as an acting lieutenant.
It was then that Murray was directed to carry out the instructions of Governor King, and he proceeded at once to Western Port, as the basis of his operations. On the 5th January, 1802, Murray sailed out of Western Port, and ran along the coast, passing Cape Schanck with a strong breeze "dead on shore," but he kept on for about 12 miles, when he saw an opening in the land that had the appearance of a harbour. For this he then bore up,knowing well the good qualities of his vessel, and that she would work out of the difficulty if he were disappointed
in finding an entrance into it.
With Mr Bowen at the masthead looking out, he stood on till within a mile and a half of the eastern rocky point, and boldly approached what must have shown itself as broken water, for Mr Bowen presently reported "Rocks ahead!" doubtless mistaking the now well-known " Rip" for shallow dangers. The line of breakers appeared to reach all the way, or nearly all the way, across the entrance, and Murray was obliged — though he could
perceive inside the troubled sea on the bar a fine sheet of smooth water of great extent — to haul to the wind, and though anxious to know more of this promising place, with the true instinct of a seaman in a gale on a lee shore, made good his offing, and with strong winds and in "tumultuous" and "confused sea" passed outwards beyond Cape Otway, till at length on the 11th he sought refuge and rest under King Island, anchoring in Elephant Bay.
Finding himself so far to windward, he examined Three Hummock Island, but the weather continuing bad, " worse than he had ever experienced since he sailed the seas," he regained a quiet anchorage in Western Port, waiting his opportunity to revisit the bar-bound harbour he had so reluctantly turned away from.
He now adopted the prudent course of making a preliminary examination of the entrance in a boat, and accordingly despatched Mr Bowen in the launch with 14 days' provisions ; but in a much less time Bowen returned with a favourable account of there being a good channel into the harbour.
On the morning of the 15th February,1802, the Lady Nelson at noon found herself off the bar, and Murray, with all sail set stood proudly on, the ship's way accelerated by a strong flood tide — the first flood tide which, in that narrow channel, had ever borne along with it a living freight. (P.2, Launceston Examiner, 9-10-1880.)
In April 1802, a French expedition ship Naturaliste under Jacques Hamelin explored the area, as part of the Baudin expedition to Australia. He named the island Ile des Français, since Anglicised as French Island.
(Wilipedia entry for French Island.)
With Port Phillip (originally dubbed Port King) having been discovered there was no way the French could be allowed to nose around there too, hence the Collins settlement at Sullivans Bay.
7 and 8-11-1803.
On Thursday arrived the Patterson, Capt.Ahern, from Providence, bound to China, and the Ocean, Capt. Mertho. from England, but last from Port Philip in Bass Straits, whither she conveyed a cargo of stores and provisions
for the Establishment of an intended Settlement under the Command of His Honor Lieut. Governor DAVID COLLINS, who had arrived in His Majesty's ship Calcutta, Capt. D. WOODRIFFE, having on board a Military Establishment, with 2 free Settlers, 209 Male Convicts, 15 Women and children: 8 Convicts died on the passage.
The Calcutta and Ocean sailed from England the 24th of last April, touched at TeneRIFFE,Rio Janeiro, and the Cape of Good Hope: The Ocean arrived at Port Phillip the 7th, and the Calcutta the 8th. ult. The Lieut. Governor having communicated to His EXCELLENCY the same unfavorable circumstances respecting Port Phillip not being
calculated for an extensive Settlement as was reported by the Surveyor General, Mr. Grimes,who with other assistance surveyed it in January last, but whose report had not reached England before the Calcutta sailed: Lieut. GovernorCollins has therefore suspended his proceedings until he receives directions from His Excellency
the Governor in Chief, which he has requested by Mr. Collins, a Passenger, under the sanction of Government, who very handsomely volunteered his services to bring the Lieut. Governor's Letters in an open six oar'd boat, which there is every reason to believe he would have accomplished with great credit to himself altho he encountered much bad weather and heavy gales in the Straits and on the Coast, but being so fortunate as to fall in with the Ocean off Point Upright, Capt. Mertho, who appears to have had no intention of touching here,very humanely took Mr. Collins and his people on board, and brought them to this Port.
The following are the Names and Numbers of the Civil and Military Establishment of the intended Settlement now arrived in the Calcutta and Ocean at Port Phillip, viz.
His Honor DAVID COLLINS, Esq. Lieut. Gov.
Rev. Rich. Hopwood, Chaplain
Benj. Barbauld, Dep. Judge Advocate
Wm. l'Anson, Surg.
Matt. Bowden, 1st. Assist. Surg.
Wm. Hopley, 2d do.
Leonard Fosbrook, Dep. Commissary
G. P. Harris. Dep. Surveyor
A. W. U. Humphreys, Mineralogist
T. Clark, Superintendent
W. Paterson, ditto
J. Ingles and W. Parish, Overseers.
PRESENT MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT DETACHMENT FROM THE ROYAL MARINES.
Lieut. Col. DAVID COLLINS, Captain Commandant, W. Sladder, and ----- Johnson, 1st Lieuts. ----- Lord, 2d Lieut.
58 Rank and File, including Non-commissioned Officers.
From the uncertainty of Capt. Mertho's putting in here, and the risque attending Mr.Collins's efforts to reach this Port in the open boat, Lieut. Gov. Collins and Capt. Woodriffe declined sending the Government dispatches,
or any private letter by this conveyance.
His Majesty's Armed Tender Lady Nelson which was loaded for Norfolk Island, was immediately cleared, and on the GOVERNOR'S return from Parramatta on Friday made the the Signal for Sailing, and is expected to leave this on Monday morning with the Ocean for Port Phillip, to enable Lieut. Gov. Collins to comply with His Excellency's Instructions. (P.1, The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser, 27-11-1803.)
In previous journals, I have wrongly assumed that the Halfway House in which Lyndhurst Lizzie died was the one established by James McMahon on the site of the present Riviera Hotel (Melway 97 D11.) From previous experience, correcting these journals does not remove such false assumptions in Google search summaries, so a new journal is needed to point out this error. I have had a niggling doubt about this assumption since I saw a report of a Melbourne Hunt event which mentioned the Halfway Hotel and properties crossed by the riders which seemed to be nowhere near Long Island, and with no mention of the Kananook Creek which would have had to be crossed to reach them. Strangely, the northern boundary of the parish of Frankston is Seaford Rd except on Long Island (between the creek and the beach) where it went north to include James McMahon's grant (probably the pre-emptive right of his Long Beach run.) Relying on memory after too many late nights caused another mistake, my statement that McMahon's Half Way House (or Carrum Hotel) was in the parish of Lyndhurst. It was on the northernmost grant in the parish of Frankston.
At the time of writing, I was only aware of one HALF WAY HOTEL in Lyndhurst (McMahon's hotel likely to be so described despite my mistake, being only a short stroll from the parish of Lyndhurst.) However the death notices of Richard Taylor and his only surviving daughter, Mrs Cairns, led me to the discovery that there was a multitude of HALF WAY HOTELS and that the one with which they were connected was near Cranbourne.
Death of Mr. Richard Taylor.
Almost a Nonogenarian.
Early on Saturday morning Mr Richard Taylor, widely known as the licensee of the Half-way House hotel at Lyndhurst, on the main road between Dandenong and Cranbourne, departed this life. Deceased had reached the ripe old age of 87 years, and until quite recently had been in possession of good health. Till the end he retained his mental faculties clearly.By his death the district has lost one of its most familiar identities, one who was closely connected with the growth of the place from the old coaching days, and who was a highly respected citizen.
Richard Taylor was born in 1825 at Stockwell, near Oldham, Lancashire, and was a typical Englishman. In his native town he learnt the trade of carpenter, and after working at it for some years. emigrated to Australia in 1854 in the good ship Marco Polo. At that time there was keen demand for artisans in Melbourne and Mr Taylor had no difficulty in getting employment at 25/ per day. Like most others of a sturdy nature he drifted along with the gold fever to the diggings. Twelve months' experience taught him that all is not gold that glitters, and he returned to Melbourne and followed his trade with Messrs Bruman and Brooks, a leading firm at the time.
Here he continued for about 15 years, and then he took up the land at Lyndhurst, comprising 156 acres, upon which he has since resided, and on which stands the familiar house of call. Mr Taylor found good brick clay on his property, and by his own energy he excavated a clay hole, and after getting some little assistance in moulding bricks, he built with his own hands the Half-way House, and built it well and faithfully too, the
work taking him two years. This was in the early seventies, and Mr Taylor obtained a publican's licence which he retained until the time of his death.
Mr Taylor was twice married, but the only surviving child is Mrs. Cairns. He was known as a very straightforward man, and one of great individual character. The funeral took place on Sunday, when many old friends followed the remains to their last resting place the Cranbourne cemetery.
(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Standard, 12-9-1912.)
DESPITE her many years, that grand old lady, Mrs Cairns, of the Half Way House, still leads a very active life and takes a keen interest in the things about her. On Thursday, accompanied by her nephew, Mr Harry Cairns, son of Mr Fred Cairns*, and Mrs W. Tucker jnr., she made the round trip to Rosebud and back. Mrs Cairns’ father conducted the Half Way Hotel many years ago, and Mrs Cairns herself can remember when the bullock teams from Gippsland stopped there on their way towards Melbourne.
(P.11, The Dandenong Journal, 11-6-1941.)
*FORGAN (Cairns). – On September 19,at Melbourne, Leslie, loving foster-son of the late Elizabeth and Alexander Cairns, and loved brother of Frederick Cairns, Maggie,Josephine, and Elsie Forgan, late of Lyndhurst, aged 35 years. (P.2, Argus, 21-9-1944.) Leslie must have been a newborn when adopted by Alexander Henry Cairns and Lyndhurst Lizzie because it's a fair bet that he was named after a child they'd lost at Wonthaggi, Christopher but referred to as LESLIE.
CAIRNS.— In sad but loving memory of our dear son, Christopher George Leslie Cairns (dear Little Leslie), who left us to dwell with the Master, Sunday, 21st June, 1896, at half-past 12, aged 6 years and 8 months.POEM,
Inserted by his loving, sorrowing parents, A.H. and E. Cairns, Wonthaggi Post Office,South Gippsland, late of Boneo, Dromana.(P.15, Weekly Times, 26-6-1897.)
AFTER a short illness lasting only three days Mrs Eliza Cairns, aged 96 years, one of Lyndhurst’s oldest and most highly respected residents, passed away peacefully at her home, “Lyndfield,” the picturesque old Half
Way House, on Saturday afternoon last. Deceased, who had led an active life right up to the time of her death, was a very keen gardener, and the spacious grounds of her home were always a picture.
She was born in England and came to Australia with her parents when she was very young. For some years she lived at Beechworth, and when older was employed at Dromana, where she met and married Mr Alexander Cairns**, of Boneo. Before coming to live at the Half Way House, which her father (Mr Taylor) conducted as a hotel, she lived at Powlett River* in South Gippsland.
The late Mrs Cairns had lived it Lyndhurst for nearly 30 years, and deepest sympathy is extended to her sorrowing relatives in the loss they have sustained. The funeral took place on Monday afternoon, when the remains were buried in the Church of Christ portion of the Dandenong Cemetery. Mr Marshall conducted the service at the home and at the graveside. J.Garnar & Sons had charge of the funeral arrangements. The many beautiful floral tributes received reflected the high esteem in which the late Mrs Cairns was held.
(P.3, The Dandenong Journal, 25-6-1941.)
(* i.e. Wonthaggi.
**Alexander Henry Cairns, 8th child of David Cairns and Janet, nee Thompson, born in 1856, probably at Boneo.
CAIRNS. -On the 19th January, at his residence,Cranbourne road Lyndhurst (late of Wonthaggi), Alexander Henry, the dearly loved husband of Elizabeth Cairns, aged 65 years.P.1, Argus, 20-1-1920.He was buried at Dandenong Cemetery.)
Pinpointing the location of THIS Halfway House has not been helped by the following.
Victorian Heritage Database Report. Halfway House. B1622 Halfway House Lyndhurst. Location. Cnr Cranbourne Road and Gippsland Highway LYNDHURST.
This report seems to have been prepared in 1963, three years before the old hotel was supposedly demolished. The location given is a pathetic effort from a heritage consultant if a Casey Cardinia website is correct. The location seems to be taken from a very old newspaper report when the South Gippland Highway seems to have been the original route to Gippsland. It was supposed to have been ABOUT four miles from Dandenong. The following gives another clue to the hotel's location, equally unhelpful.
BURGLARY AT TAYLOR'S WAY HOUSE HOTEL,
The Half-way house Hotel situate at the junction of the Cranbourne and Lyndhurst roads, and midway between
Dandenong and Cranbourne, was visited by two enterprising burglars early on the morning of Saturday last.(etc.)
(P.3, South Bourke and Mornington Journal, 21-8-1895.)
Casey Cardinia - links to our past: February 2008
Feb 4, 2008 - Richard Taylor arrived in Lyndhurst in 1869 and opened his hotel, Taylor's Half Way House (pictured below), in 1871. It was demolished in ...(1966)
The following blog is about High Street, Cranbourne, based on an aerial photograph and photos of places in High St taken in the 1960's, one of which is the HALF WAY HOUSE.
Casey Cardinia - links to our past: High Street Cranbourne in the 1960s.
Jan 19, 2011 - This is taken just a bit further up the street than the previous photograph. The car is thought to be a 1961 EK Holden. The Half Way House.
The east-west road at the top of the aerial photo is Camms Rd running west to Evans Rd, which then terminated at the same corner. Whether Cranbourne Road was Hall Rd or the Frankston-Cranbourne Rd, both lead to the South Gippsland Highway at Melway 133 J6. As the 1960's HALF WAY HOUSE was in High St, Richard Taylor's 156 acres must have been at the north west corner of Sladen St and High St-if the 1960's HALF WAY HOUSE was the original hotel, or at least, on the same site. All I have to do now is find the right parish map to confirm that there was a 156 acre grant at this location.
I have discarded what I had previously written about the parish of Eumemmering because it didn't make sense but left the following about another Taylor family.
I discovered Taylors Rd running between Abbotts Rd and Ballarto Rd undoubtedly named after Thomas Taylor who married a Ross girl from Keilor, and may have been related to Richard Taylor.
In view of her native place, Catherine may have been responsible for the location name of Skye, later changed to Lyndhurst South because of the stigma caused by a murder committed there and once again as Skye, postcode 3977.
Mrs. C. Taylor, of Cranbourne
CRANBOURNE, Sunday.-Mrs. Catherine Taylor, who attained her 100th birthday on May 25 this year, and who was
the oldest resident of Cranbourne, having lived in the district for 83 years, died at the home of Mrs. T. Bullock, Duff street, Cranbourne, this morning, after a brief illness.Mrs. Taylor, who was born in the Isle
of Skye, Scotland, in 1835, arrived in Victoria with her parents, Mr. and Mrs. Hugh Ross, when she was aged 15 years. The family lived for a time in the Keilor district, and afterward at Skye,now South Lyndhurst. Mrs. Taylor enjoyed good health up to a few days before her death.
She had vivid recollections of the early days, when Cranbourne was the marketing centre of South Gippsland, and blacks were as numerous as white people. For many years she and her husband used to walk eight miles every Sunday morning to the Cranbourne Presbyterian Church, during the ministry of the Rev. Alexander Duff, who was the first ordained clergyman in the district.
Mrs. Taylor's 100th birthday was celebrated at the home of Mrs. Bullock, where Mrs. Taylor lived after the death of a son,Mr. Richard Taylor, two years ago. On the occasion of her birthday greetings were received from His Excellency the Governor (Lord Huntingfield) and Parliamentary representatives.
Mrs. Taylor's husband, Mr. Thomas Taylor, died 17 years ago at the age of 81 years. Of her family of six children, two are living, Mr.George Taylor of Brisbane and Mr.Malcolm Taylor, of Melbourne. She has 23 grandchildren and 50 great-grandchildren living. The funeral will be at the Cranbourne Cemetery to-morrow afternoon.(P.3, Argus, 14-10-1935.)
LOCATION OF RICHARD TAYLOR'S HALF WAY HOUSE HOTEL.
Glasscocks Rd was the boundary between the parishes of Eumemmering to the north and Lyndhurst to the south as indicated by the curve in Frankston-Dandenong Rd and Perry Rd (Melway 128 B 2-3) which was a government road linking with the existing portion at Melway 94 H9.
As the result of this discovery, I abandoned the Eumemmering map, and discovered that the Lyndhurst map didn't suit either. High St. was the name of the part of the South Gippsland Highway running through the TOWNSHIP OF CRANBOURNE. The highway was probably called the Lyndhurst road in early days and the Cranbourne road, no matter whether it came from Wells Rd at Melway 99 J2 (via Lathams and Halls Rd) or from Frankston, met High St at 133 J6.
Discarding* claims that the hotel was ABOUT four miles from Dandenong and halfway between Dandenong and Cranbourne, I decided to check for a 156 acres property on the township map. (*It is 8 miles along the South Gippsland Highway from the Princes Highway to Sladen Street so both descriptions would place the hotel at Melway 129D1 where no junction of the Lyndhurst and Cranbourne roads would ever have been. Many city adventurers complained that country folk had no idea of estimating distances!)
Township of Cranbourne, Parish of Cranbourne, County of Mornington ...
The most likely location was west of High St as land on the east side of High St was divided into the usual half acre township blocks and south of Sladen St a total of about 39 acres, mainly granted to E.J.Tucker into whose family Lyndhurst Lizzie's companion on the long trip to Rosebud married. West of the GIPPLAND HIGHWAY (as it is labelled, confirming my belief that today's South Gippsland was the original route to Gippsland), 120 acres were reserved for the racecourse and cemetery with most of the rest not alienated till much later.
The north west corner of High and Sladen Street and High St, bounded by Fairbairn and Clarendon Sts contained suburban lots ranging from 7 to 33 acres but averaging about 18 acres each with a total area of 182 acres 2 roods and 34 perches. This was about 26 acres more than the 156 acres that David Taylor bought, perhaps not all in 1869. All 10 crown allotments had been sold by the crown in 1857. It is likely that many of the grantees had become insolvent over the next decade or so; Victoria's first manufacturer of bellows,Joseph Porta, and Ralph Ruddell of Tuerong had both suffered this fate in the early 1860's as well as many others I have noted. I presume that A.Duff was related to Cranbourne's first Presbyterian minister mentioned by Thomas Taylor's widow and sold his grants to David Taylor when the family moved away.
It is likely that David Taylor's 156 acres consisted of crown allotments 2-9. Crown allotments 10 and 1 of 18 acres 3 roods 16 perches and 7 a. 2 r. 11 p. (26 a. 1 r. 27 p. altogether) both fronted Clarendon St and when deducted from the total area of 182 acres 2 roods and 34 perches, leave 156 acres 0 roods and 23 perches. Deduction of no other grants or combinations thereof, produces the 156 acres associated with the hotel.
Crown allotments 1 and 10 both extended south for 650 links (6.5 chains or 130 metres) from Clarendon St, so if my assumption of the composition of David Taylor's land is correct, its northern boundary was the midline of Dearing Avenue and Cochrane St.
Therefore it is likely that the HALFWAY HOUSE (store?) shown on the Casey Cardinia blog was on or near the site of the hotel and may have been the hotel itself before its demolition in 1966. As mentioned earlier, a photo of the hotel is also shown on the blog. I would like to look at it again to see if the bricks moulded by David "with a little assistance" are visible and if there are any similarities with the HAL WAY HOUSE in the 1960's photo. But I'm too weary and have other research commitments of great importance so I'll leave these tasks to others. I'm reasonably sure that I've confirmed the location of Lyndhurst Lizzie's last residence and her father's 156 acres but remember that I've discarded some clues to their location so I could be wrong. At least my conclusion MAKES SENSE.
From my CHRONOLOGY OF BURIALS AT DROMANA (on ITELLYA'S HISTORY STORAGE BOX Facebook page due to difficulties submitting in the journal.)
24-10-1947. MISS CATHERINE COUNSEL.
COUNSEL.-Requiem Mass for the repose of the soul of the late Miss CATHERINE COUNSEL will be celebrated at the Church of the Immaculate Conception,corner Glenferrie and Burwood roads. Haw-thorn. TOMORROW (Friday) at 9 a.m.The Funeral will leave the church at the conclusion of Mass for the Dromana Cemetery, arriving there at 11.30 a.m.
COUNSEL. — On October 21. At 6 Wattle-road. Hawthorn, Catherine, only daughter of the late Frank and Anne Counsel,loved sister of France (deceased). Late of Dromana. Requiescat In pace. (Both, P.9, The Age, 23-10-1947.)
"In the 1860's, William Grace grew grapes for the manufacture of wine (on "Gracefield.) Several members of the Counsel family tended his vines, which, it was said, were ruined by phyllooxera.(P. 39, A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA.)
Joseph Lawrence Counsel and his wife, Mary Cecilia, were certainly residents of the area before 1878. (Source not quoted for a reason.) In 1879, (and probably till 1884*) Richard Councel was assessed on 250 acres which was certainly "Gracefield" and Charles B.Counsel on 454 acres and buildings, Kangerong. Charles had received the grant for crown allotment 21A, Kangerong of 121 acres 1 rood 27 perches on 27-6-1876. It was north of Mclroys Rd and east of Bowrings Rd with Melway 161 D10 indicating its northern portion. Charles was probably leasing land to the west later granted to Thomas Appleyard.
FROM MY GRACEFIELD JOURNAL.
Gracefield, crown allotment 5, section 3, of 249 acres 1 rood and 34 perches (249.4625 acres) was granted to William Grace.It was bounded by Boundary Rd, with 291 Boundary Rd indicating its south east corner, Arthurs Seat Rd and Caldwell Rd.
In 1872, Richard Counsel was assessed on 250 acres and a 5 roomed house. His assessment in the previous year had been on 121 acres, almost certainly crown allotment 21A, Kangerong of 121 acres 1 rood and 27 perches, granted to C.Counsel on 27-6-1876, and fronting the north side of McIlroys Rd (No. 146) and including Melway 161 D10.
In 1884 James McKeown was assessed on 215 acres,Balnarring (i.e. 73 A and B, later known as Glenbower,the name of McKeown's house, and Wildwood.) *In 1885, he was assessed on 250 acres, Kangerong (Gracefield) having sold his Balnarring land to the Sheehan family.
Charles B.Counsel was Richard's son and the sister of Catherine who died in 1839 (according to http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/…/…/2004-04/1081991509) after whom Frank's daughter was probably named. Had the Counsels come from Tasmania? Obviously.
Richard Counsel married Catherine Doyle in Hobart - 1834.*
The Mercury (Hobart, Tas. : 1860 - 1954) Thursday 10 May 1883 p 1 Family Notices
... Montana " COUNSEL-MORRIS -April 9, 1883, at Hawthorn, Victoria, by the Rev. E. Nolan, S.J., Charles B. Counsel, Dromana, youngest son of Richard Counsel, Emerald Hill (late chief draughtsman Crown Lands), to Kate Louise, youngest daughter of the late Captain James Morris, of Hobart,
Their fifth child "John Francis Counsel 1847 - 1930 married Ann Counsel 1875*" was certainly the late Miss Catherine Counsel's father (see death notice.)
* From the same rootsweb thread.
At the age of about 48 Frank Counsel's chess war with Joseph William Hazledine (retired Rosebud teacher and now Dromana's Registrar) began, and continued for years on the chessboard and in the Mornington Standard.
Mr. Frank Counsel, of Dromana, who issued through these columns, a challenge to play any lady or gentleman in the Shire of Flinders and Kangerong, best three out of five games, for the "chess championship" of the
shire, had not to wait long for an accepted (sic, acceptance) of his challenge. Mr. J. W.Hazledine of the same town expressed his desire to meet Mr. Counsel, and the contest took place last week at Arthur's Seat Hotel, one game being played each evening. The result was that Mr.Hazledine succeeded in winning the first, fourth, and fifth games, whilst the other two were won by Mr.. Counsel.
'Mr. Hazledine was adjudged the winner by Mr. L. Murphy, who acted as referee.
(P.3, Mornington Standard, 28-11-1895.)
By 1910, Frank was waging another war- against Mt Cooke's fervent support of Mr Irvine in the seat of Flinders in the pages of the Mornington Standard. Frank seems to have been very well educated and it shows in his many letters to the editor concerning politics.
Miss Catherine's namesake aunt was one of Richard Counsel's two daughters who became nuns (according to the rootsweb information.)
The habit was assumed by Miss Catherine Counsel and Miss Margaret Doogan, both also natives of Victoria. Miss Counsel is third daughter of Richard Counsel, Esq., late chief draughtsman in the Crown Lands Offices; she is cousin to L.Counsel, Esq., Collector of Inland Revenues for Ireland, and also to P.Sarsfield Counsel, Esq., B.A., barrister-at-law, Trinity College, Dublin. She takes in religion the name of Sister Mary of St. Ignatius,(P.14, Advocate, 28-8-1875.)
Sister Mary did die in 1939 as claimed on the rootsweb page.
Recent Death SISTER MARY OF ST. IGNATIUS
Advocate (Melbourne, Vic. : 1868 - 1954) Thursday 1 June 1939 p 34 Article
... Recent Death SISTER MARY OF ST. IGNATIUS The Good Shepherd Convent, Abbotsford, lost one of the ... oldest members of the Community on May 23, when Sister Mary of St. Ignatius Counsel was called to her .
Richard Counsel probably lived at Emerald Hill while working at the Crown Lands Department but his fondness for a drink led to his dismissal in 1878. The obituary of Charles Bede Counsel gives interesting information about Charles and his father.
MR. CHARLES BEDE COUNSEL
On Wednesday, June 21, the funeral took place at the Springvale Cemetery of Mr. Charles Bede Counsel, the last surviving son of the late Richard Counsel, who was brought from Ireland by the Government to survey the greater part of South Australia.
Born in Adelaide, Mr. Counsel came to Victoria at the age of five years and remained here up to the time of his death. Mr. Counsel was very successful as an auctioneer and estate agent, and, later, was a most popular representative of some of the leading firms of Melbourne, and was a member of the Commercial Travellers' Association for about forty years.
His popularity as a lecturer and elocutionist was very great. At the age of fifteen years he was chosen from all scholars of the public schools to recite the ode of welcome to the Duke of Edinburgh in the year 1867, as recorded in the "Argus" of that date. The late Mr. Counsel was educated at St. Patrick's College, East Melbourne, and his last public appearance was at the dinner tendered to Cardinal MacRory, when,being the oldest member of the college,he was called upon to present his Eminence with a souvenir of his visit to Victoria.
Owing to severe reverses in the land boom, the latter part of his life was spent in retirement. He is survived by his widow and grown-up family. His remains were borne from St. Joseph's Church, Malvern, by his son and grandsons at the end of the Requiem Mass, which was served by his youngest grandson, John Walsh. His sister, the late Sister Ignatius, who was 65 years in the Abbotsford Convent,predeceased him three weeks ago.
R.I.P. (P.26, Advocate, 6-7-1939.)
THE COUNSELS OF SOMERVILLE.
The Counsel mystery deepened when I found that a Richard Counsel had died at Somerville, an Edward Counsel of the same place was a composer and that the bones of a Miss Catherine Counsel had been stolen from Trafalgar cemetery.
I went back to the rootsweb post and confirmed that the Somerville Counsels were related to the Dromana family.
"Researching the descendants of Laurence Counsel & Mary Tierney married circa 1790 - Louth? - Ireland.
Children: Richard, Peter, Ann, Judith & Lawrence arrived Tasmania "Norval" 1832. Another son Loughlin arrived Victoria mid 1800's with I believe, 2 of his children plus some nieces/nephews."
Next I googled EDWARD COUNSEL, SOMERVILLE and the fragments fell into place.
The Sad Life (and Death) of Kitty Counsel | Gippsland| Odd Australian ...
"Miss Catherine Mary Counsel was a tiny, sweet natured and deeply religious woman who spent most of her life as a housekeeper for wealthy families in and around Melbourne. Known as Kitty by her friends, her life was inconspicuous, she is never mentioned in newspapers, difficult to find in electoral rolls and barely rates a mention in death notices. Her life may have not have been noteworthy but it was the bizarre happenings after her death that caused me to research this diminutive lady.
Little Kitty came from a well respected family.* Although of Irish stock her grandfather, Loughlin Counsel was a surveyor and civil engineer in Southampton. His father and siblings had emigrated to Australia in the early 1800s, settling mainly in Tasmania but Loughlin and his family but didn’t arrive until the mid 1850’s. Kitty’s cousin was Edward Albert Counsel who became a surveyor, civil engineer and administrator in the Apple Isle.
Kitty’s father, Edward Counsel, was difficult to track at first, but eventually I discovered that he was a writer and musician. In 1875 at the age of 42, he married a relation of his stepsister’s, a musician by the name of Mary Josephine Gannon at Ballarat. In 1880 they had their first child, Edward Loughlin who sadly died at 4 months old. In 1882 they were graced with their second and only child to reach maturity, Kitty.
MaximsToday, Edward is considered a philosophical genius and his book which he published in 1889 called, Maxims: Political, Philosophical and Moral is considered a masterpiece. Some of his famous quotes include: “We live as we die, and die as we live”, “Reason often overturns experience” and “Success is a hidden jewel, and is found but by a few.” With his wife Mary, he also wrote numerous musical scores, including The Melodies of Erin. Although brilliant, his work was never fully recognised during his lifetime and it seems that his daughter never received any royalties or payment during her lifetime.
Edward’s father (Kitty’s grandfather) was Loughlin Counsel who had extensive land holdings in the Somerville area of the Mornington Peninsula. Loughlin passed away in 1875 and left more than 1000 acres to his children and stepchildren. Edward was the beneficiary of 213 acres plus a large number of shares in The Colonial Bank of Australasia.
After Edward and Mary’s wedding, they moved to Somerville and it was there that little Kitty was born. When Kitty was 12 years old her mother died and Edward seemed to become unhinged, writing rambling letters to local councils and newspapers. Shortly afterwards he simply stopped writing altogether. Edward passed away in 1909 in Somerville and his death was barely noted in the newspapers. I can’t find a will for Edward so I have no idea what became of his land or property but by 1909 Kitty was working as a housekeeper in Surrey Hills.
From this moment on, Kitty’s life was one of predictability. She worked as a housekeeper in Surrey Hills until 1924. In 1931 she is on the electoral roll in Kew and her occupation is listed as household duties. In 1949 she was working for a family in the Hampton/ Brighton area. In 1954, she was housekeeping for a young parish priest by the name of Father Daly at Orbost in eastern Victoria. In 1955 when Father Daly was transferred to Trafalgar, Kitty went with him. In February of 1955, at the age of 73, she was admitted to the West Gippsland Hospital in Warragul having suffered a stroke. A few days later she died and was buried at the Trafalgar Cemetery.
It was after Kitty’s death that her story becomes rather strange. " etc.
One interesting point was that Frank and Ann Counsel, whose daughter's burial started this voyage of discovery, were wrongly recorded as Kitty's parents.
Hi ---. Can you tell me where Main's quarry was? was there one? Where was Main's Bridge?
"Kerr's Almanac for 1841 lists Moonee Ponds* occupiers. They were ......., Patrick Main who built Main's bridge (later known as Flemington bridge) over Moonee Ponds Creek, ...... (P. 4, Andrew Lemon's THE STOPOVER THAT STAYED.)
*Moonee Ponds in early days meant anywhere near the creek but two historians have not understood this. In the same book, Lemon includes a lengthy passage about John Cochrane's Glenroy Farm (which was never in the City of Essendon area). In THE GOLD THE BLUE, a history of the Lowther Hall school, A.D.Pyke assumed that Peter McCracken's Stewarton was in the Moonee Ponds area but it was section 5, parish of Tullamarine, later renamed as Gladstone Park.
14-12-1849. Mains Bridge (Flemington) washed away. (Sam Merrifield notes.)
(From Bob Chalmers' THE ANNALS OF ESSENDON VOLUME 1, which Bob gave me in response to the donation of my EARLY LANDOWNERS: PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA.)
The following comes from my EARLY LANDOWNERS. Section 12 Doutta Galla was bounded by Buckley Street west, then known as Braybrook road because it led to Solomon's Ford, from the Hoffmans Rd corner to the Rachelle Rd corner and a northern boundary indicated by an eastern extension of Clarks Rd, East Keilor including Farrell St in Melway 15 K11.
"SECTION 12 (East Keilor west of Rachelle Rd, Niddrie south of Farrell St.)
SECTION 12, MAIN’S ESTATE.
Bounded by Rachelle Rd., Buckley St., Hoffmans Rd. and the latitude of the north side of Farrell St., this was granted to James Patrick Main in 1846. He was probably Patrick who built the first bridge over the Moonee Ponds Creek at Flemington, still known as Main’s bridge after it had been swept away by floodwaters and rebuilt.
James P.Main, “ builder and settler, Moonee Ponds” in 1841 and 1847, may have been living on Main’s Estate. At the latter date, Thomas Anderson, dairyman, was on “Main’s Estate, Moonee Ponds”. I wonder if Thomas was related to James Anderson (a later occupant of Main’s Estate.)
SECTION 12 TITLE INFORMATION.
A COPY OF THE GRANT FOR SECTION 12 WAS FOUND IN SKETCH OF TITLE 15377, CONCERNING C.B. FISHER’S APPLICATION FOR TITLE OF McPHAIL’S “ROSE HILL”. IT STARTS:
PORT PHILLIP DISTRICT
L A N D P U R C H A S E
GRANTEE James Patrick Main VICTORIA, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland,Defender of the Faith and so forth:
TO ALL to whom these presents shall come,
WHEREAS in conformity with the laws now in force for the sale of Crown Lands in our Territory of New South Wales, and our Royal Instructions under Our Signet and Sign Manual issued in pursuance thereof JAMES PATRICK MAIN of Melbourne has become the purchaser of the Land hereinafter described for the Sum of Eight hundred and thirty two pounds Sterling….
DATE 30 October 1846
The 832 pounds did not include the yearly quit rent of one peppercorn (if demanded) and Her Majesty reserved such parts and so much of the said land as may hereafter be required for making Public Ways, Canals, or Railroads… AND ALSO All Sand, Clay, Stone, Gravel and Indigenous Timber….
....... In an anti- clockwise direction from the north east corner, we can then account for most of Main’s Estate:
i.e. Springbank (J.Wilson), Blair’s purchase, Rosehill Rd, and Rose Hill east of the creek, then heading north, Sinclair’s Farm, Rosehill Rd, lot 6 (1848 Laverty, McPhail, 1868 Hoffman) and lot 8 (1848 Roberts, 1865 Beale). The only area yet to be detailed is that occupied by the Niddrie Quarry.
LOT 10, COX’S FARM.
On 12-11-1850, Thomas Cox bought lot 10 from the Bears for 96 pounds. Consisting of 50 acres 1 rood 22 perches, this land started about 40 metres north of Noga Ave and included the southern 1/3 of the quarry site (K 876). It is likely that this was the 50 acre farm accessed from North Pole Rd, which James Anderson was leasing in 1900-1 and had occupied before moving onto Springbank, but it is also possible that Anderson’s “North Pole Road” farm was lot 8.
Other memorials concerning this land are:
1st series index- none.
307 359. 29-1-1883. Lease to John Beale for 10 years at a rent of 25 pounds p.a.
350 207. 8-5-1888. Contract and conditions of sale to speculator, G.W.Taylor, who also contracted to buy 18 C and D at about this time. (See the reasons why and the outcome in the section 18 entry.) Taylor agreed to pay L5542/12/6, which would have been equivalent to nearly 222 years rent under the terms of John Beale’s lease. C.B.Fisher’s purchase price of 3000 pounds for the 112 5/8 acre Rose Hill in January 1882 showed that the land boom was starting but Taylor showed, by paying almost twice as much for less than half as much land, that the Boom was flying along in top gear! Obviously Taylor forfeited part payments and the land, as he did with so many other farms.
385 168. Mortgage of the share and interest of Elizabeth Julia Whelan in 50 acres, Doutta Galla to John Butler Besley and Henry Besley of Bruthen for L 154/16/8. Elizabeth was the daughter of Thomas Cox and had inherited the land in the will of Thomas Cock (known as Cox), of which Ellen and William James Cock (known as Cox) were the exectrix and executor.
This memorial is the only entry in the E.J.Whelan index and no memorial concerning lot 10 is in the J.B. and H.Besley index so it is impossible to tell whether lot 10 was regained or forfeited.
LOT 12? COLLIER’S FARM.
James Collier bought the remaining 45* acres 2 roods 3 perches from the Bears on 14-2-1849 for 87 pounds cash. (*Called 55 acres in the Bear index but the memorial, which must have been written with poor quality ink, does say forty five.) I’d be willing to bet my last dollar that this was lot 12. It was north of Cox’s land and covered the rest of the quarry site (to a latitude indicated by the northern boundary of the Peter Kirchner Reserve east of the creek). Collier’s index reveals that he also had land on 6C (bisected by Puckle St/Holmes Rd). Another memorial concerns 39 acres in Doutta Galla (perhaps the land on 6C). Other memorials are:
K 750. 14-10-1850. Equitable Mortgage of 45 acres 2 roods 3 perches commencing 67 chains from the s/w corner of section 12 and extending 1406 links to the northern boundary of section 12. Charles Payne paid 35 pounds to James Collier.
236 954. 27-8-1860. Equitable Mortgage of the same land to secure to Margaret Harriss the repayment of 160 pounds she had lent to James Collier. I have been unable to determine whether Collier was able to repay the money or forfeited the land. However, this mortgage has helped to locate a farm mentioned by Angela Evans in “Keilor Pioneers: Dead Men Do Tell Tales”. Lawrence Kelly seems to have settled in Keilor by 1861. (Keilor’s ratebook of 1868 shows that he was leasing 18C of 163 acres from J.P.Bear.) By 1875, according to the above book, he was also renting 48 acres at Spring Gully from Margaret Harris. This would seem to indicate that Collier did lose his block if Margaret Harris still had ownership 15 years later.
The acreage of Collier’s Farm does seem to have been 45 83/160 acres. It is likely that Patrick Joseph Corcoran was leasing it in 1900-1 (part lot 0 section 12, 46 acres). Collier’s Farm was described as 46 acres when the late Alexander Smith’s land west of Spring Gully was advertised for sale on 13-3-1916.
N.B. The entry for Collier’s Farm in “Sam Merrifield’s House Names Index” edited by Lenore Frost, is wrong. The farm described is actually Smith’s Norwood. (See section 9.)
376 185. James Collier’s will of 26-1-1866 left all his (unspecified) estate to his daughter Mary, subject to an annual payment to James Collier’s wife Margaret. James died on 15-12-1868. These details were recorded much later on 13-8-1892 (376 185) and Mary was Mrs Amiss. The arrangements resulted from a marriage settlement between Mary and John Haines Amiss (soon to marry Mary) and the executors, James Jenning and John Cunningham, on 28-7-1879."
As J.P.Main was a resident NEAR the Moonee Ponds Creek in 1841, he may have had a depasturing licence south of the Foster brothers' Leslie Park" (Tullamarine/Keilor Park area) for which they obtained the lease in 1840 according to Sam Merrrifield's Annals. In this case, Mains quarry might have been the forerunner of the Niddrie Quarry on Main's Estate or on land a chain north east from Collier's Farm, i.e.
"ALLOTMENT C OF SECTION 18.
Bounded by Milleara Rd., Clarks Rd. and Spring St. and consisting of 162 ¾ acres, 18C was granted to D.T.Kilburn. He had also received the grant for lot 13 of section 4. Lawrence Kelly was leasing this property by 1868 and by 1875 was also leasing Collier’s Farm (at the n/w corner of section 12), which adjoined the s/e corner of 18C.
The Geological Survey map of 1860 shows a quarry used for road metal on 18C near Keilor Rd. This quarry and the ones near the s/w corner of the Essendon Aerodrome site may have been operating since, or before 1842, when Denis Larry was listed in the directory as a quarryman of Doutta Galla. The one on Kelly’s farm may, however, have been opened by Samuel Charles Brees*, who stated, on 20-1-1853, “Quarries are likewise opened at several parts of the line for the bottoming and levelling of the road.”
(*Brees was in charge of the construction of Mt Alexander Rd to the diggings and built the first substantial bridge at Keilor in 1854. A street in East Keilor was named after him by Garnet Price.)"
Unfortunately the two references from the 1840's give no indication of where the quarry might have been. Alexander Kennedy, in the second article, who not long afterwards built the Inverness Hotel at Melway 177 H11, could have been returning to Melbourne from his station near Guildford via Keilor, given that there was no great road to the diggings through Tullamarine in early 1847. I have referred previously to the vagueness of Moonee Ponds as a description of location in early days.
"SERIOUS ACCIDENT.—On Wednesday evening, as Mr. Alexander Kennedy, a settler
upon the Loddon, was proceeding with his son,servants, and drays into town, he found it necessary to encamp in the vicinity of the Moonee Ponds. This was about sundown, and Mr.Kennedy having business in town of a pressing
nature, departed on horseback, leaving his son in charge of the encampment. (He wasn't in Melbourne when his son arrived next day.)
However, about 11 o'clock yesterday morning,as Mr. Hogbin, brother-in-law of Mr. Evans, of the Duke of Kent, Lonsdale-street, was passing Maine's Quarries, on his way to town, he saw a party lying in the bush upon his back,...."
Port Philip Gazette and Settler's Journal (Vic. : 1845 - 1850) Saturday 16 May 1846 p 2 Article
... that the prisoner and another man were dodging him, and on passing Main's quarry, on his road home, be ...
The Melbourne Argus (Vic. : 1846 - 1848) Friday 22 January 1847 p 2 Article
... Kent, Lonsdale-street, was passing Maine's Quarries, on his way to town, he saw a party lying in the ... which he was riding stumbled, in the vicinity of Maine's Quarries, and the Rev. gentleman was thrown ... 4332 words
As there were no results for Main's quarry in the 1850's and the results in the 1860's weren't relevant, I tried quarry keilor and found:
WANTED, strong HORSES with drays to cart stone. Apply at Dick's Quarry, Keilor road. John Finlay.(P.8, Argus, 25-2-1860.)
Early quarries were almost always on the banks of creeks where there was plenty of freestone, so Dick's quarry was probably near Spring Creek which gives the name to Spring St, the northern end of the government road, followed largely by Rachelle Rd,which separated John Pascoe Fawkner's 11B Doutta Galla from Mains Estate. It is possible that 17CD which separated Mains Estate from Keilor Rd contained another quarry utilised by Samuel Brees in 1854. JOHN DICK was much involved with these two crown allotments.
Back to my EARLY LANDOWNERS. Had Main's quarry become Dick's quarry?
"17 C and D.
W.Nicholson was granted lots D and C, a total of 188 ¾ acres. A grocer who became premier, he was obviously a speculator. He received the grants for Ardmillan/Trinifour, Fairview and Springfield, all handily located on the route to Mount Alexander, which in a bit over a year would carry throngs of diggers. Land Plan 10509 shows that the western boundary of this land was about 140 feet west of Spring St and L.P. 10508 shows that the southern boundary was about 144 feet south of Grandview Rd.
The land was owned in 1868 by Joseph Nicholson, who had 195 acres; the extra 6 or 7 acres possibly being on lot B of section 11, south of Clarks Rd. Joseph does not seem to have been related to William Nicholson and did not inherit the property; he purchased the “Fairview Farm of 200 acres” in 1863. Joseph died in about 1879 but his widow, Sarah, aged over 60,was still using the farm for grazing purposes in 1888.
17C and 17D TITLE INFORMATION.
On 15-3-1854, W.Nicholson sold his grant to John Dick for 10000 pounds (Y 217). On the next day, Dick mortgaged 17 C and D to John Nicholson for 5000 pounds (9 140).
Confusingly, three transactions, concerning 17 C and D, were memorialised between John Dick and John Nicholson on 23-5-1859. They were:
79 402. Reconveyance of 17 C and D to John Dick.
79 404. John Dick mortgages 17 C and D for 3000 pounds.
134 296. Reconveyance by Endorsement to John Dick.
On 22-7-1861, John Dick conveyed an Equity of Redemption of 17 C and D to William Nicholson for 100 pounds (108 666). The index for John Dick has no further mention of 17 C and D. Neither is the land further mentioned in William Nicholson’s index. His will of 20-12-1864 (158 687) and the following memorial, dated 24-3-1866, mention a city hotel and county of Evelyn land but not the 188 ¾ acres of 17 C and D. When Dick bought 17 C and D, he was described as a farmer of The Merri Creek.
Sketch of Title 25560, resulting from Sarah Nicholson’s application for title in 1889, shows that William Nicholson regained ownership on 22-7-1861 (registered on 23-7-1861) and that on 29-10-1863, he sold 17 C and D to Joseph Nicholson for 1500 pounds. Joseph Nicholson died intestate on 24-7-1878.
Joseph Nicholson's extra 6 or 7 acres in 1868 may have been Dick's quarry and part of Collier's Farm.Was it earlier called MAIN'S QUARRY?
IN ADDITION TO MY PREVIOUS REPLY.
It seems that James Patrick Main (1802-1876) had been transported to Van Dieman's Land for life. Family researchers have not yet found records of his conditional pardon. His wife's name is possibly wrongly given as Isabella in one source; it appears to have been Mary.Her name might have been Mary Isabella. (I've forgotten her maiden surname.)Isabella was one of their daughters. It seems most of their children were born in Tassie, the last born in Melbourne in 1840 which indicates that the convict was indeed our James Patrick Main. In most convict records he is named as Patrick Main and he may have been still using this name (as recorded by Andrew Lemon) when he built Main's bridge at Flemington in 1839.
I speculated that Main might have had a depasturing licence covering a bigger area, including section 12 Doutta Galla, and his quarry might have been on the parts of sections 18 or 17 adjoining Main's Estate.
The following strongly suggests that section 12 Doutta Galla was the pre-emptive right of Main's Station for which the lease was cancelled in about 1847. Main's quarry must have been well-known by 1843 and was probably established by the time he built the bridge at Flemington. He built (or supplied the material for-forget which)the original Princes Bridge, probably using the stone from his Estate/station. All I have to establish now is five miles from Melbourne.
TO STAND THIS SEASON,
AT Mr Main's station, Stone Quarries, the Entire Horse, SAMPSON,
Five years old, sired by the Van Diemen's Land Company, from the imported horse, Duncan Gray,out of a Suffolk mare, is a dark chestnut horse of great power and fine action, stands sixteen hands high, rising six years old, has an excellent temper, and is well known as one of the best draught horses
in this part of the colony.
Sampson may be seen at the Horse Bazaar regularly on each Monday and Friday, where any information relative to him can be obtained.
Good Paddocks, within five miles of Melbourne,and every care taken, but without responsibility, and an allowance of one mare in five to bona fide owners. Terms — etc. (P.4, Melbourne Times, 8-8-1843.)
To save a lot of time and measurement I looked at Melway key map 5. The 10 km (6.21371 miles)radius from Melbourne passes through the midpoint of the Buckley St frontage of Main's Estate. Therefore the south east corner of the estate (Buckley St-Hoffmans Rd corner) would have been one sixth of 5km less, about 5.4 miles from Melbourne. There is no way that the parts of sections 17 and 18 south of Keilor Rd could be described as being five miles from Melbourne so Main's quarry must have been on MAIN'S ESTATE, the nearest part of which was 5.4 miles from Melbourne as the crow flies.Collier's Farm may indeed have been the site on which it was established. In 1843, Main's homestead was probably near the south east corner* of the estate and it might have later become Dugald McPhail's Rose Hill homestead. (*Nobody in their right mind would build a homestead near a quarry.)
I referred in my last message to Spring St (the northern end of the government road between c/a 11b and Mains Estate getting its name from the nearby creek. It is officially named Steeles Creek but one of its tributaries was Spring Creek in Tullamarine which gave the name to the Fosters' "Springs" and several farms to the south such as Spring Park, Springfield, James Wilson's Spring Farm on Main's Estate and James Robertson's Spring Hill (later renamed Aberfeldie after his mansion.) The areas near the creek in Tullamarine (e.g. David O'Niall's Lady of the Lake Hotel) and Mains Estate were both called Springs or The Springs circa 1850 but this caused confusion so the latter area was then referred to as Springfield. South of Buckley St, the creek was/is referred to as Rose Creek, hence the name of Dugald McPhail's "Rosehill" farm and the name of the eastern continuation of Dinah Pde.
The creek bisects Main's Estate and as stated earlier, most early quarrying was done on the banks of creeks. (I really should have written streams. George Spottiswoode, after whom Spotswood is named, took stone quarried near the Saltwater River along that river to Melbourne. I wouldn't mind betting that John Dick had earlier been quarrying on the Merri (Rocky) Creek before he established or took over the quarry on (near) Keilor road.)