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R. "Mrs. Maude Alston" was renamed to R. "Mrs. Alston's Rose" after Tid Alston informed us that had Alister named* the rose, he would have called it "Mrs. Tom Alston" and not "Mrs. Maude Alston" (reflecting protocols of his time). From Alston's came R. "Mrs. Harold Alston", a climber with flowers, much like R. "Sunny South" but with more petals and a bit larger. R. "Countess of Stradbroke" came from Tom Garnett's Garden of St. Erth in Blackwood, Victoria.
*This rose must have been developed shortly before Alister's death. It seems to have been named in 1938 (see foot of journal.)
N.B.The above article claims that Alister Clark had been a neighbour of the Alstons. This indicates that section 10, Bulla Bulla (now occupied by Balbethan- Melway 384 K11- and a quarry) and named Dunalister by Walter Clark after his son,Alister, had not been sold as part of the Glenara Estate, confirming a claim made in a City of Hume heritage Study (titled Balbethan,I think.) However the property was obviously occupied by others,according to the study. Thomas Alston, whose wife was obviously Maude, owned 1000 acres including the 640 acre Oaklands (Melway 385 B9) between Dunalister and Craigieburn Rd; the remaining 360 acres was probably to the east in the parish of Yuroke. Another rose was probably named after members of another local family,the Guthries, who were pioneers near Arundel Rd, Tullamarine then near Emu Creek and the Sunbury-Lancefield road.
Alister Clark fell in love with flowers as a youth when attending the Chelsea Flower Show in London. After he inherited Glenara near Bulla Village he planted roses galore and with the help of his gardener, William Peers, developed and nurtured many new strains of roses (and I think,daffodils as well.
In a recent issue of The Blackwood Times, Blackwood historian,Margot Hitchcock, wrote an article about Matthew Rogers, the first or early owner of the land on which the Garden of St Erth was developed. Matthew, whose huge angel-topped monument is easily the most prominent in the Blackwood cemetery, was born in St Erth, Cornwall.
The same issue (and article?),probably Oct-Nov 2014,discussed the Garnett family's tenure at the Garden of St Erth.
The following website unfortunately does not indicate when the Diggers' Club was established but informs readers that weddings cannot be conducted at the the Club's other base.
St Erth - The Diggers Club
A wonderful garden featuring fruit trees, an espalier orchard, heirloom vegetables , perennials, daffodils, ... History. In 1854 Matthew Rogers, a Cornish stonemason, left Sydney in pursuit of gold discovered near Mount Blackwood in Victoria.
Weddings at St Erth
Enjoy the tranquil surrounds of the beautiful Garden of St Erth for a wedding to remember. Select your back-drop from our garden settings or historic St Erth cottage. Begin your day in a picturesque garden setting for your ceremony and photography. Follow with some light canapés and drinks in the garden surrounds and complete your occasion with a lovely reception in our new function room. Our menus utilise seasonal, regional produce from our gardens and the region.
Please note that we are not able to hold wedding functions at Heronswood in Dromana.
Margot Hitchcock will now be able to boast that Blackwood has contributed to the Alister Clark Rose Garden at Bulla! A small world isn't it! Another gem for Margot is that Tom Garnett had been writing a history of Alister and his roses.This is also from the interviews website at the start of the journal.
JOHN: Well, the revival of interest in Australia of Alister Clark ("AC") Roses started for me with Tom Garnett, a former patron of the GPCAA, who sadly passed away on the 22nd September, 2006. Tom was writing the book "Man of Roses - Alister Clark of Glenara and his family" and he suggested to Susan Irvine that somebody should hunt up and collect the Alister Clark Roses, saying that he was too old and she was not! Tom Garnett had been invited by Lady Johnstone to write a book on the life of her uncle, Alister Clark of Glenara. The book had been suggested to her in 1982 by Neil Robertson who was a bookseller at that time. Susan Irvine went to see Mrs. Eve Murray of "Langley Vale" in Kyneton, Miss Tid Alston of "Oaklands" at Oaklands Junction (the Alstons were neighbours of AC) and she also went to Glenara, AC's old property in Bulla, Victoria. From these three properties, Susan started the original Alister Clark Rose Collection... this must have been around 1983. As none of the roses at "Glenara" were named, a lot of mistakes were made! In the summer of 1986-1987 Susan Irvine asked me if I would be interested in budding and grafting a number of the Clark varieties - they were:
R. "Baxter Beauty" (Apricot sport of R. "Lorraine Lee")
R. "Borderer" (P. cop.amb., Poly. 1918, Everbl.)
R. "Cherub" (Salmon P. HT 1923, Cl.)
R. "Daydream" (Blush P, 1924, Cl.)
R. "Diana Allen" (P. 1939 Dwarf, Bed)
R. "Doris Downes" (P. HT 1932, Hedge)
R. "Ella Guthrie" (P. HT 1937, Scent. Everbl.)
R. "Glenara" (Rosy-P. 1952),
R. "Jessie Clark" (P. Single, Cl. 1915 Early)
R. “Kitty Kininmonth” (Carmine rose, HT 1922, Early cl.)
R. "Lady Huntingfield" (Golden, HT 1937, Everbl.)
R. "Marjorie Palmer" (Rose, 1936, Everbl.)
R. "Mrs. Maud Alston", R. "Restless" (Red, 1938)
R. "Ringlet" (P. white centre, 1922)
R. "Sunny South" (P. 1918, Everbl. Hedge)
R. "A.C. Cream",
R. "Pink Flori"
R. "Super Pink" (not the real names for the last three).
TOGETHER AGAIN in DESPERATELY SEEKING, SUNDAY HERALD SUN, p.76,11-1-2015.
A reunion of the Daniel family will be held at the Sherwood* (sic) Hunt Club in Bulla on SUNDAY, MARCH 22,(2015) FROM 11-3 P.M. Contact Trevor Parton at [email protected] for further details.
*"Sherwood" was part of a run apparently leased by Major Firebrace and part of Section 3,parish of Bulla,granted to Tulip Wright and subdivided as the gold rush got into full swing. In 1888,the Oaklands Hunt Club was formed but it was many years before it had its present headquarters,the late Dr Dickinson's SHERWOOD*. Much of the club's history revolved around the Daniel family, as is well and truly shown in D.F.Cameron-Kennedy's THE OAKLANDS HUNT. Don't be surprised to see photos of at least two of the Daniel men displayed in the clubrooms at Sherwood,the headquarters of the OAKLANDS Hunt Club. The Oaklands Hunt Club is situated in Melway 178 C6, its eastern boundary being that of the parishes of Bulla and Yuroke.
*A trove search for DICKINSON, SHERWOOD, BULLA shows that the original article about the farm was reprinted in countless country papers.
As my journal about John Cosgrave shows,Mary Daniel and her family were among the early pioneers of the future Bulla Road District. It must be nearly 25 years since I read the Daniel family history and it would be nice to think that this will be reprinted,perhaps with updates. One other thing I would like to see is the renaming of Daniels Rd to Daniel Rd so that it correctly recalls the surname of this pioneering family. (Otherwise Daniel may be thought to be a spelling mistake and that there was some sort of relationship to the pioneering DANIELS family of Keilor.) If a petition to this effect was signed at the reunion, I will be pleased to see that it is presented to Hume Council with the backing of the Broadmeadows Historical Society. If Trevor needs help to prepare arguments to support the request, I will be only an email away.
I can't remember how and when Mary became a widow but she was quite capable of fending for herself and her youngsters. Narbonne's orchard was well known but as an amusing story in the family history relates,the ground was prepared by unpaid labourers. Mary's boys? No! But relatives and friends who all carried the label "New Chums". These new chums had an enormous advantage in that they could avoid the inflated cost of the little-remaining and shoddy accommodation in Melbourne while they prepared for their journey to the diggings by staying at Narbonne. Cunning Mary explained that digging for gold was hard work and it would be wise to develop muscles and pick and shovel skills on Narbonne ground before venturing into the unknown.
Like John Pascoe Fawkner's mother, Mary valued the importance of an education and her descendants reaped the benefits, two working as municipal administrators at Bulla, with stone bridge-building being another accomplishment. Young Oswald Daniel displayed his pride in the history of Bulla while modestly giving the Daniel family rarely a mention (unlike D.F.Cameron Kennedy!) Oswald's history is included below. "Daniell" and the version of Firebrace* would seem to be typesetting errors rather than Oswald's but it is possible that Cosgrove for Cosgrave was the boy's boo boo. Anyone wishing to copy and paste the article should do so from the DANIEL entry in my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF BULLA journal,where lines have been put into A4 length AND MISSED ERRORS CORRECTED.
(*Part of Pascoe Vale Rd in the Essendon and Hawstead map was called Firebrace St.)
HISTORY OF BULLA.
Bulla derives its name from the abor-
iginal words, 'Bulla-Bulla,' which
mean 'two round low hills,' or 'the
two breasts.' I do not know who gave
the district that name, but it must have
been named in the early settlement of
Two of the earliest settlers of the
district were Mr Martin Batey (of Red
Stone Hill), and Mr George Evans
(father of Mr R. C. Evans, of Emu
Bottom, near Sunbury), who, with their
wives, landed in Melbourne from Tas-
mania before John Fawkner. (Evans was on Fawkner's Enterprize but Fawkner was ordered off at Queenstown to settle his affairs, not because of sea-sickness, and had to appoint Captain Lancey as leader. THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER, C.P.Billot.)
When these pioneers essayed their
eventful trip across Bass Strait the
weather was so rough they had to turn
back for shelter, when Fawkner decided
that he would not go on, and the first
trip was accomplished without him ;
and he did not come over till the second
Mrs Batey was sixteen years of age,
and Mrs Evans a year younger.
Other settlers were :—Messrs Page
Brothers, ??, Cognall (COGHILL), Fawkner, Duncan, Grant,
M'Nab, Riddell, Loeman, Dickens,
Hunter, and Greene.
Woodlands was the residence of Mr
Greene, who was a naval officer and re-
ceived this section of ground as a free
grant for services to the Crown.
The sections running northward are
now occupied by the Oaklands Hunt
Club, Messrs Peters, Quinlan, and
Anderson ; there were also grants from
the Crown to Major Fairbrache, Captain
Taylor, and other military officers.
The first church (the present Church
of England), which stands on a corner
of Woodlands, was built by Mrs Greene,
and a right of passage existed until re-
cently for persons attending church to
walk along the southern boundary of
One of Mr Greene's sons (Rawden)
died of thirst while travelling with
stock in Queensland, but his name is
perpetuated in the township of Bulla—
the street near the Roman Catholic
Church being named 'Rawden,' and the
street on which the Shire hall stands
—'Greene' street. (Wrongly written as Green St for years and now named as Somerton Rd.)
The section extending from Mus-
grove's corner to the late Andrew
Carroll's was owned by Mr William
Wright, who cut it up and sold it about
the year 1852. Messrs Musgrove,
Johnson, Daniell, Carroll, Tulloch and
Waylett were among the original pur-
chasers. Mrs Mary Daniell purchased
two blocks of the estate, one of which is
still held by her grandson, Mr A. F.
The adjoining block she sold to the
late John Cosgrove, who was alderman
and first treasurer of the City of Mel-
bourne. Mr Cosgrave used to cycle out
on a 'bone shaker,' (a term given to a
certain make of early cycles) that must
have had an earlier history than the
famous machine of the late Professor
Kernot, and in his trips from North
Melbourne to the farm he used to arrive
with such an enormous appetite that
one of his standing boasts was that he
could eat anything that was put before
him, On one occasion a crow was pre-
pared, and he was invited to have a
meal of crow. After he had finished
the meal he remarked : 'Humph ! I
can eat crow, but I don't hanker
Mr Cosgrove afterwards sold to
Messrs Hunt and Standen. Mrs T.
H. Dean, of Moonee Ponds (a daughter
of Mr Standen) next possessed the
property ; then her son, Melbourne ;
and it has now become the property of
the Hunt Club.(SEE COSGRAVE JOURNAL RE DANIEL OCCUPANCY& KENNELS.)
It is a coincidence that the first run
of the Oaklands Hunt Club, in which
Mr H. H, Daniel carried the drag,
finished upon the very spot where the
kennels are now built.
Mr William Wright built an hotel,
which was named the' Bridge Inn,' on
the Deep Creek, but it is now a ruin.
He was known as ' Tulip' Wright. The
name was supposed to have been given
him when he was chief constable of
Port Phillip, but, as he had a beauti-
ful garden, and a fine collection of tulips
—in which he took a great pride, it is
more probable the name arose from the
For many years in the early days of
the district, there was no cemetery at
Bulla, and a considerable number of
those who died were buried on the bank
of the creek about Bulla bridge ; but in
1863 a grant was obtained from the
Government of a piece of land near the
Oaklands road, which is now used for
About the year 1842 the late Mr
Michael Loeman came up from Moonee
Ponds and took up the land which he
named ' Glenloeman.' On his second
trip he brought up the late Mr John
Dickins, who also look up land next to
him. Mr Loeman married a Miss
Isabella M'Lean, who was escorted in a
long overland journey from New South
Wales by the late John Dean, when the
New South Wales blacks had become
so dangerous that the white settlers
had to leave. Although Mr Loeman
was one of the very early settlers, when
he paid his first visit to Bulla a well
known identity, the late William Pen-
der (or ' Old Bill Pender' as he was
popularly known) was camped in a tent
on the edge of the creek just above
'Glenloeman' on land now occupied by
Mr James Allen. During the drought
of 1868 Mr Richard Brodie, of Helens-
ville, gave Mr Pender the remainder of
his sheep, which were in the last stages
of starvation, on condition that he took
them away, so that he could not see
them die A couple of days-after Mr
Pender left rain came and left Mr Pen-
der with a fine flock. He used to run
his stock along the roads between Bulla
and Lancefield, which was known as
Messrs Hume and Hovell, in their
first overland journey, must have crossed
the Deep Creek near Bulla, as the spot
where it is considered they crossed
Jackson's Creek is close to Mr A.
Randall's, in Tullamarine Island.
In 1860 the Burke and Wills ex-
pedition passed through Bulla, their
second camp being at a small water-
hole, traces of which are to be seen be-
hind the gorse bushes opposite the In-
verness Hotel, which was then kept by
A meeting was called on 23rd Octo-
ber, 1862, at the Bridge Inn for the
purpose of forming a Road Board Dis-
trict. Mr James Macintosh was in the
chair. The first Council was formed
and elected by a show of hands at the
meeting ; it consisted of Messrs Walter
Clark, Michael Loeman, Martin Batey,
James Macintosh, William Bethell,
Thomas Branigan, David Patulla,
Dugald Stewart, and John Dickins.
Mr James Macintosh was appointed
first chairman and Mr Walter Clark
occupied the chair the following year.
Mr Macintosh went to New Zealand,
where he took a prominent part in polit-
ics, and was Minister of Lands when
At that time the Bulla Road District
extended towards Melbourne as far as
Woods' Hotel, and the first ratepayers'
roll was revised at the Moone Ponds
Police Court, and signed by Messrs R.
McCracken, T. Napier, and M. Loeman.
After holding two or three meetings
at the Bridge Inn Mr Frost wanted to
charge the Council for the use of the room and Mr Melville of the Inverness
came to the rescue, and allowed the
council to have a room free of charge.
After holding their meetings for five
years in the places mentioned, the Coun-
cil built the present Shire hall, in which
they held their first meeting on 20th
The Bulla district was the first in the
colony in which wheat was grown. Mr
Maurice M'Auliffe, of Wildwood, gives
interesting accounts of the farmers is
the early 'fifties carting their wheat in
to Melbourne to Gillespie's mills, and
bringing home their supplies of flour.
Mr William Hunter also had a mill on
the creek, just above Bulla, the ruins of
which are still to be seen. The late Mr
Donald Ross was one of the masons
employed in the building of it.
The first school in Bulla was built on
a piece of land which had been granted
to the Church of England, about one
hundred yards north of Bulla Bridge,
and had for the first teachers the
Misses Thorpe. Miss Dickins, Messrs
P. Loeman, E. Fanning, and J. Lawlor
were among their pupils.
This school did service from 1854 til
1870, when the present school was built.
The opening of the new school was cele-
brated by a grand ball, which was held
in a marquee opposite the Shire hall,
and a special treat given to the children
by the late Richard Brodie, of Helens-
In the early days of the district there
used to be a boiling-down works on
Glenara, just above old Glencairn dam,
and about 1867 a pottery works was
started by the Victorian Pottery Com-
pany alongside the kaolin deposit at
These, with the flour mill referred to,
were the only manufactories established
in the district, and have long ceased to
Since the year 1870 the district has
simply been a farming one. With little
change or alteration, and very little
history can be recorded for these years.
The Oaklands Hunt Club was started
in 1888, Mr A. M'Dougall being the
The first show of the Bulla Horticul-
tural Society was held on lst May,
1897, Mr A. F. Daniel being presi-
dent, Mr E. Meeking secretary, and
Mr W. Peers* treasurer, and now com-
pletes its fourteenth year of existence
with this show,
(Age, 12 years 10 months). (P.2, Sunbury News, 4-6-1910.)
(*William Peers was Alister Clark's gardener on Glenara and deserves credit for his boss's fame as a breeder of Roses. According to Wally Mansfield,who lived on Roseleigh, adjoining Glenara, William Peers won Tatts and retired.)
HOPEFULLY READERS WILL STILL ENJOY READING THE FOLLOWING ATTEMPTS TO SOLVE A RIDDLE WITH SO MANY CONFLICTING CLUES.IF MY MATE,JUSTIN, HAD NOT ASKED ME TO WRITE A HISTORY OF TOOTGAROOK FOR HIM A FEW DAYS AGO,THE ANSWER TO THE RIDDLE MAY NEVER HAVE BEEN FOUND. AS MARIE HANSEN FELS POINTS OUT IN "I SUCCEEDED ONCE", GEORGE SMITH'S WOOLOOWOOLOOBOOLOOK (NO MATTER WHAT SPELLING WAS USED) WAS THE NAME OF HIS HOMESTEAD AT CAPEL SOUND ON THE TOOTGAROOK RUN. CONFUSINGLY,GEORGE GORDON McCRAE REFERRED TO A LITTLE STATION OF THAT NAME NEAR THE SISTERS WHICH IS SHOWN IN SMYTHE'S MAP OF 1841, WHILE TOOTGAROOK IS NOT SHOWN AS A CROWN LEASE BUT A PLACE NAME, PROBABLY NEAR THE SWAMP,GIVEN ITS MUCH ACCEPTED MEANING OF "PLACE OF CROAKING FROGS". I HAVE NOT INCLUDED THE INFORMATION IN MY LAST SENTENCE WHICH PRECEDES THE FOLLOWING QUOTE FROM "I SUCCEEDED ONCE."
Extract from my post A BRIEF HISTORY OF TOOTGAROOK FOR JUSTIN on the HISTORY OF DROMANA TO PORTSEA Facebook page.
MORE ABOUT GEORGE SMITH.
I stated before that George Smith may have been on Tootgarook.On page 4 of The Argus of 21-5-1850,a government notice lists occupants and other details of runs for which the occupants were to submit applications for 12 month leases from 1-1-1851. In the County of Mornington,No. 17 of 19 was George Smith (occupant), 20 square miles (extent), Tootgarook (name of run), Port Phillip Bay (location).
"Contrary to what is widely asserted, he did not hold a licence for Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk on the Mornington Peninsula: a thorough search of the original Pastoral Run Papers produced no papers for Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk in the box which holds all the original ‘W’ Pastoral Run Papers.50 Wul-Wul-a-Bulluk is not a pastoral run; it is the name of the house at Capel Sound where he lived in the 1840s.51"
(I SUCCEEDED ONCE.)
Do you have a copy of Georgiana's Journal (Melbourne 1841-1865) edited by Hugh McCrae.
The copy that I have is stamped McCrae Homestead. I paid the expensive price of 20c at Parkdale Op Shop. Such an interesting read.
No,I don't have a copy and congratulate you on your bargain purchase at the op shop. I first read the book back in 1988 when I started adding to the 1.5 foolcap pages that then constituted the history of Tullamarine. Georgiana's description of Richard Hanmer Bunbury (an early grantee in the parish of Tullamarine) was superb, her detail (re pioneers) probably only surpassed by Harry Peck in MEMOIRS OF A STOCKMAN.
Your message prompted me to see if the book was available online. It doesn't seem to be in e-book form but Marie Fel's book is, and the following result* led me to information about George Smith's Woolooowoolooboolook (as it is written in Georgiana's Journal.)
*I succeeded once - Page 305 - Google Books Result
Marie Hansen Fels - 2011 - History
But the editor of Georgiana's journal, her grandson Hugh, has been damningly criticised in a recent PhD thesis2 for his prejudiced and manipulative changes to ...
Owen Cain arrived in about 1943 and soon after his arrival,his four year old daughter (Sarah Ann?)who was born in America en route from Ireland,wandered away from "Tyrone" (near Tyrone beach west of Rye's White Cliff.) The story of her ordeal was recorded by young George McCrae; details are included in my LOST journal. At this time, Georgiana was still in Melbourne socialising with Governor Latrobe. One thing that puzzled me was young George's description of the Wooloowooloooboolook homestead being six miles along the Cape Schanck road from his own home.This would place Smith's homestead near Pattersons Rd, Fingal.
In LIME LAND LEISURE, C.N.Hollinshed mentioned that this run was added to the Tootgarook Run in 1850 by Hobson, who then requested that the expanded run be transferred to James Purves. No indication of the location of Smith's run was provided.
Marie Fels expended enormous effort to establish the burial site of Johnny,George McCrae's aboriginal hunting mate,who died after returning from his trip to America with George Smith. He was carried to the burial site, just south of the (McCrae) lighthouse, by George himself, Johnny's distraught father and relatives lining the grave and tying the body in a seated posture.
This land was part of George Smith's lease, described thus by George Smith.
"Having promised Mr McCrae the small piece of land opposite his residence at Arthurs Seat of which I beg leave to offer a description. I request that it be added to the lease about to be issued to him."
Smith described the land as, "the small piece of land between the Cape Schanck rd and the sea commencing near the rocks at the point known as St Anthony's Nose and ending at the creek at the junction of the Point Nepean and Cape Schanck roads nearly opposite the end of Mr McCrae's paddock fence."
(P.314, I SUCCEEDED ONCE.)
Marie Fels believed that the creek was Coburns Creek but it would have been ADAMS CREEK which now lies underneath The Avenue. Descendants of Henry Everest Adams believe that the Rosebud pioneer beached his ship near today's Wattle Place at about the time that the McCraes obtained the lease of Arthurs Seat and was granted 750 acres of land. An Adams family historian has disputed the year of the Captain's arrival, given as 1845 in the Dromana Pioneer Pathway, believing that crown allotment 20 Wannaeue was part of the Arthurs Seat run and Captain Adams would have arrived after 1851.
Crown allotment 20 is between The Avenue and Parkmore Rd, extending south to Bayview Rd. The boundary fence described by George Smith probably ended at or near Adams Creek and the Cape Schanck road junction (with the Point Nepean road) was probably today's Wattle Place. I believe that Captain Adams was granted a (hush hush)lease of the WANNAEUE VILLAGE Reserve (crown allotment 20)for services rendered to the government, perhaps bringing ticket of leave men from Van Dieman's Land circa 1841 to overcome a labour shortage, or shipping supplies from Singapore. The "so-called 750 acre grant" could have also included a lease of land later granted to Back Road Bob Cairns and others on the south east side of what Georgina McCrae called the MOUNTAIN ROAD (later Cape Schanck Rd/ the back road/Hobson's Flat Rd/ Bayview Rd.) The 750 acres could also be a distorted memory of 75 acres of Wannaeue Village purchased as a grant in the 1870's as a pre-emptive right.
I believe George Smith's Wooloowoolooboolook was on the foreshore from Anthony's Nose to Adams' Creek and ran east to at least Jetty Rd, perhaps Boneo Rd (where crown allotments are labelled NO SECTION.) I also believe that Smith's run included crown allotments 5 and 6,section A,Wannaeue, between Boneo Rd and (today's)Old Cape Schanck and now occupied by most of the Rosebud Country Club golf course. Granted to James Purves these allotments may have been the site of the Wooloowoolooboolook homestead where the(so-called*) Mrs Smith nursed young Sarah Ann Cain back to health.
*Marie Fels gives details of the relationship!
The parish map indicates the north east corner of these allotments is roughly 23 983 links from the Arthurs Seat homestead; that's about 240 chains or THREE miles. The south east corner, adjoining the Cairns family's Little Scotland was 5330 links farther south west, about five eighths of a mile. Young George probably didn't have a parish map,odometer or trundle wheel to check his estimate of the distance between his home and Smith's so I guess SIX MILES was a reasonable guess.
Another possible location involved other James Purves grants, crown allotments 1,2 and 3 of the parish of Fingal, bounded by The Dunes and Limestone,Truemans and Sandy Rds (Melway 252B4) but this was too far from Cape Schanck Rd to be correct and was probably part of the Boniyong (Boneo) run.
Georgiana's Journal and Marie Fels' I SUCCEEDED ONCE are both well-worth a read.
I'm fairly sure that the Elsternwick Hotel is claimed (above the corner entrance) to have been "Est. 1854."
For years (probably from 1988 when my interest in local history changed from an interest to an obsession), I have looked at this claim as I travelled between Tullamarine and the Mornington Peninsula, and wondered whether the present building's core dated from that year. The excellent Elsternwick Wikipedia entry claims that the hotel was built in 1856, so either my memory is faulty or the first part of the building replaced a shanty (possibly with the same name) on the same site after it had operated for two years.
How a google search for FARRELL,MORNINGTON led to my discovery is beyond my understanding, but I believe that readers might be interested in the connection between this historic hotel and Melbourne's most famous nude. I do not intend to copy and paste information but invite you to enjoy the information gathered by writers of original material and appreciate their efforts.
By 1851, a settlement had sprung up on the creek near the hotel site and Ebden's huge estate, whose homestead bore the German name for MAGPIE, "Elster", and the village of Elsternwick was proposed. No doubt a pub or sly grog joint would have soon been built on the busy thoroughfare to the south, so 1854 may indeed be the year it was established. The village was surveyed in 1856 and with the security of ownership of the site, construction of a more substantial building would then make sense.
An amusing tale about the town clerk of Melbourne expecting drive-through service, and then riding his horse into the hotel when he didn't get it, recalls tales of the much later Bulla Shire councillor riding his horse into the Inverness hotel (between the N-S runway and Oaklands Rd on today's Melbourne Airport) in case there wasn't a seat available. It also details the involvement of YOUNG AND JACKSON as paraphrased by Andrew J. Kilsby from articles on page 5 of the 16-1-1867 and 5-4-1867 issues of The Argus. Andrew supplies much detail about the Irish cousins, the Prince of Wales Hotel and CHLOE'S purchase.
Elsternwick, Victoria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1 Name; 2 History; 3 Today; 4 Transport; 5 Sport; 6 Schools; 7 Residential ... The Elsternwick Hotel (built 1856), corner of Glen Huntly and Brighton Roads.
Thomas Joshua Jackson (Of ‘Young and Jackson’s Hotel’)
Written by Provenance on September 22, 2011
…of Melbourne, Edmund Gerald FitzGibbon, had stopped at the Elsternwick Hotel on his way to Melbourne from Mt Eliza, and, remaining on his horse outside, called for a beer. Finding himself ignored, he then rode his horse into the bar to claim a drink first-hand. Young senior, the landlord, ‘assisted by a man named Thomas Jackson’, promptly evicted him from the bar. Cross‑summons ensued. Young initially claimed FitzGibbon was drunk,…
- See more at: http://prov.vic.gov.au/?s=Eliza%20Farrell#sthash.2YtNeyHF.dpuf
WILLIAM MANN AT BALNARRING. It would seem that the farmer at Balnarring in 1902 was William Mann, who may or may not have been related to John G.Mann of Mt Eliza two or three decades later. As William Mann was the person rated in 1901 and 1906, his farm described in 1902, which was then said to have changed hands more than any other property in the district,was almost crown allotments 11A and 11B, Balnarring of 185 acres 2 roods and 32 acres granted to James McCormick on 11-3-1876. About ten acres of 11AB might have been acquired by the Crown for the construction of Balnarring and Myers Rds by 1900,leading to William Mann being rated on only 175 acres.
I had little interest in the McCormicks (my focus being on the MANN)until the study below mentioned the store that James McCormick had run on a corner on crown allotment 65A, which every reader of the heritage study (but yours truly)would have assumed was ALSO in the parish of BALNARRING.
The following is selectively transcribed/ paraphrased from pages 25-27 (of 529 pages) of the Strategic Hastings Heritage Study.
Hastings District Heritage Study Vol. 1.pdf - Mornington ...
NAME OF PLACE . McCormick farm house at Willow Creek Vineyard.
PLACE IDENTIFIER. 554.
OTHER NAMES. Willow Creek Vineyard homestead.
ADDRESS. 166 Balnarring Rd,Merricks North.
STUDY GRADING. Shire (local.)
CREATION DATE. 1900 C.
MAP (Melway) 162H8.
PHOTOGRAPH OF HOUSE.
DESCRIPTION. Cited on the winery brochure as being built in 1870, the house appears to be instead a redbrick Edwardian era (etc.)
HISTORY. Cited to have been built in 1870,the house is thought by others to have been built in the 1880’s using bricks made on the property. James McCormick received the grant for this site in 1876, paying 186 pounds for crown allotments 11a and b Balnarring. He died on 12-12-1888 and his executor, John McCormick, a Balnarring farmer, mortgaged the property, which in 1895 was sold to Fanny Chambers, (wife of Balnarring solicitor, Ernest Chambers) who sold it to Thomas F.Jones in 1895.
A four lot subdivision was declared in 1905 with plans being submitted in 1906. AT THIS POINT THE ANNUAL VALUE OF THE 175 ACRE PROPERTY,THEN RATED TO WILLIAM MANN, WAS 65 POUNDS AND NOTED AS SUBDIVIDED. IT HAD ALSO BEEN LISTED AS MANN’S IN 1900-1 WHEN THE VALUATION WAS 50 POUNDS.
N.B. 1. McCormicks also ran a store on crown allotment 65A at the corner of Stumpy Gully and Myers Rds.(Miss Hurley.) This could have been on Mann’s farm that was described in 1902; no store was mentioned in 1902 but McCormick apparently operated the store in the 1880’s before his occupation was again given as surveyor before his death in 1888.
VAGUENESS LEADS TO DISCOVERY!
I hate vague statements and the location of the store explains why. If any McCormick descendants want to look up crown allotment 65A, don’t consult the Balnarring map. Being east of Balnarring Rd, the corner of Stumpy Gully and Myers Rds is in the parish of BITTERN.
The online Bittern map does not show grantees but I have a paper map which does so. Crown allotment 65 Bittern is at the north west corner of Stumpy Gully and Myers Rds. Crown allotment 65A, consisting of 40 acres, granted to M. McCormick (possibly brother or son of James) on 1-10-1879 is the north east quarter of c/a 65 and thus nearly 400 metres north of the said road corner. If James McCormick’s store was actually on the said road corner, this might have been because he was leasing all of c/a 65 from the crown. The remainder of c/a 65 (65B of 120 acres)was granted to William Myers on 3-11-1898.
However, I doubt that the store was on the said road corner but on a roughly 2 acre block fronting Stumpy Gully Rd immediately north of 65A, exactly 3990 links (802 metres and 66 centimetres) north of Myers Rd. Crown allotment 64A of 2 acres 1 rood and 37 perches was granted to M.McCormick on 20-6-(1880?) The block extended north 98 metres and was almost 100 metres deep.
2. Crown allotments 11AB, Balnarring were at the south west corner of Balnarring and Myers Rds, with frontages, respectively, of 913 and 719 metres. The remaining 159 acres 26 perches of crown allotment 64 were granted to William Myers on 15-2-1905.
3.BUT WAIT,THERE’S MORE! Just as I was thinking the McCormicks might have leased both 65 and 64 from the Crown for some time, my eye roamed slightly to the west and I discovered that John McCormick, executor of James McCormick was granted 60B, 90 acres 1 rood and 10 perches, on 21-1-1902. This block adjoined c/a 65 on the west and its Myers Rd frontage of 2263 links (455 m.) started 4031 links (810.9m.) west of Stumpy Gully Rd.
BULLA.(From my DICTIONARY HISTORY OF TULLAMARINE AND MILES AROUND.)
Much detail was given by I.W.Symonds in his "Bulla Bulla, an illustrated history of the Shire of Bulla."
Tulip Wright was granted section 3, Bulla Bulla on 22-6-1856. He soon subdivided the 640 acre block at the north east corner of Oaklands and Somerton Rds, directly north of W.P.Greene's "Woodlands." Mary Daniel, whose Narbonne was near Daniels Rd and Andrew Carroll were early buyers. John Cosgrave bought some of Mary Daniel's purchase. He used to ride a bone-shaker (bicycle) to his farm. Symonds may have said that John was the first treasurer (see below.)
Page C.184, DHOTAMA.
In 1853*,Mary Daniel sold 53 acres to John Cosgrave "who was at that time alderman and first treasurer of the City of Melbourne (sic)." He built a house in 1854 after living in a tent and used to cycle out on a boneshaker from North Melbourne. His children were Katie and Davey.His land was later bought by the Oaklands Hunt Club. (P.44, Bulla Bulla, I.W.Symonds.)
(*Although Tulip Wright's grant seems to clearly state 1856, for the sale to take place in 1853, the grant must have been issued on 22-6-1850,which seems more likely because of Tulip's involvement outside the Bulla area shortly afterwards, e.g.Lincolnshire Arms at North Essendon, Sir John Franklin in Sunbury. John was not an alderman and treasurer at the same time. The term "first treasurer" could depend on whether the Corporation WAS or BECAME the City of Melbourne.I have a feeling that the corporation was set up to control markets etc and was transformed into a city council. The town of Melbourne was incorporated on 22-10-1841 and...The Town of Melbourne was raised to the status of a City by Letters Patent of Queen Victoria dated 25 June 1847, just five years after its incorporation.As the city was in existence for over a decade before John became treasurer, he was certainly not the city's first treasurer.)
John's land (top of Melway 177 K4),between Mary Daniel's "Narbonne" and James Musgrove's land, was bought by the Hunt in 1908 and housed the kennels and kennel huntsman (H.H.Daniel and then his son H.H.Daniel Jnr) until the hounds were moved to "Sherwood in 1946. (Pages 27, 55,239, THE OAKLANDS HUNT,D.F.Cameron-Kennedy.)
Place: Oaklands Hunt Club - Hume City Council
I.W. Symonds, Bulla Bulla: An Illustrated History of the Shire of Bulla, Spectrum ... Mary Daniel had sold a 53 acre allotment to John Cosgrave, alderman and first .
KENSINGTON. (From my EARLY LANDOWNERS:PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA.)
Lot. 9. Two allotments of land near tho residence of Messrs. Coote and White (sic), and other gentlemen, and
adjoining the property of Mr. Alderman Cosgrave, parish Doutta Galla, and near the residence of Mr.
Rankin, 59 x 132. (P.8, Argus,21-7-1858, column 2, SALE OF VALUABLE PROPERTIES BY TENDER.)
F.J.Coote's house was across today's Kensington Rd (formerly Footscray Rd) from Edward Byam Wight's "The Ridge",whose driveway is now The Ridgeway. Coote's house (now 18 Henry St if I remember correctly) after having served as a Footscray Rd dairy became accommodation for priests at the Holy Rosary Church and is heritage-listed (at a higher level than when I first became aware of it.) John Rankin's house was across Princes St (now Rankins Rd) from the future (1860) Kensington Railway Station.
John Cosgrave's land at Kensington was in Melway 42 K3. He purchased most of the land between Hampden and Gower Sts in 1854.I had not noticed previously that he also had bought a triangular block that met Macaulay Rd east of the railway crossing right near John Rankin's house. Also in 1854, he bought land between Gower and Henry Sts which fronted the southern five eighths of the Henry St frontage.
Extract from EARLY LANDOWNERS: PARISH OF DOUTTA GALLA.
This was granted to William Highett who came to the Port Phillip District to manage the Union Bank. Highett also received a grant in the parish of Yuroke.
His land dealings fill many pages of the lands title index; no doubt many were in Highett. The entrance in Dynon Rd between Kensington Rd and the railway bridge is actually Highett St.
Not long afterwards, Highett sold allotment 20 to lawyer, Henry Jennings, after whom Henry St was probably named. In 1854, Jennings subdivided the land, selling the land north east of Derby St in 78 lots. The main buyers were F.J.Coote, William and David Winder, and John Cosgrave. Coote was a partner in Jennings’ legal firm and Cosgrave was treasurer of the Corporation of Melbourne. William Winder was a brickmaker and David Winder had purchased the land between Stubbs St and the Macaulay Station site in 1849.
Coote bought most of the land between 18 Henry St and Derby St, which also fronted Kensington Rd, and lots 3-7 (the shop area between Gower St and Hampden Rd). The Winders bought nearly all the Macaulay Rd frontage between Gower St and Kensington Rd. Cosgrave bought land on both sides of Gower St from Derby St up to the church and school sites as well as north east of the latter. Land near the Holy Rosary church site was bought by Thomas Lilley (who owned it for 18 years), and Joseph Hore (who sold to John Brooks in 1857.) Across Gower St, Josh Hore, T.Gregory and T.Stubbs bought blocks that they sold to the McMeikans in 1859.
The McMeikans bought land from Cosgrave in 1864 and Coote in 1868 to extend their property to Bellair St. In 1863, J.T.Smith bought all of Cosgrave’s land east of Gower St (sold to Durham in 1879). Smith also bought six of Cosgrave’s blocks south west of the church site, Robert Wallace buying the other 9 blocks (to Derby St) in 1869.
Durham subdivided his land fairly quickly; Munro’s 1884-5 plan of allotment 19 subdivision shows the nearby houses of Durham and Clarke (manager of the Apollo Candle Works in Swamp i.e. Dynon Rd) with Mr Dixon in the old McMeikan house. In 1888, the two rows of terrace houses were added.
In 1871, Frederick John Coote bought lot 68, between 18 Henry St and Kensington Rd.
It had been owned by Henney (1854-65) and Warnock.
The heritage status of 18 Henry St has been significantly upgraded recently. The house had been built by 1867, when a picture was produced showing this house and those of Peter Wilson (church site), McMeikan and Cosgrave (school site). This picture clearly shows lot 68 is fenced off from Coote’s property.
F.J.Coote’s house is in the foreground of this picture (C.1866.)
Serving as a dairy and the residence of Richard Nelson for the first four decades of the 1900’s, the house was called 11 Footscay Rd, from 1893 until 1915.
This map* shows original and later owners of lots in Jennings’ subdivision.
(*ANYONE DESIRING THIS MAP SHOULD PRIVATE MESSAGE THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS TO ME. THE MAP WAS MADE BY ME FROM DESCRIPTIONS OF LAND IN MEMORIALS AND EXISTS NOWHERE ELSE.)
THE FOLLOWING TEXT COULD NOT BE CORRECTED ON TROVE.
In our obituary column of yesterday appeared an announcement of the death of Mr John Cosgrave who was for many years the treasurer of the Melbourne Corporation. The deceased gentleman was a native of Queenstown, Ireland. In the beginning of 1837 he arrived in Tasmania accompanied by his parents. Shortly afterwards he went on a
whaling voyage but on returning came over to Port Phillip and settled down here. A little while after his arrival he became the licensee of the Fitzroy Arms Hotel* King street and was elected to a seat at the council table of the corporation towards the end of l850 and subsequently became the alderman for the Gipps Ward. During tho excitement which prevailed in Melbourne in 1852 owing to the discovery of gold and the outbreak of the diggings, his business prospered and he soon succeeded in accumulating considerable wealth. He was always noted for his genial and generous disposition and to his generosity can be traced the loss of his fortune. While he was made prosperous and affluent by the finding of the precious metal at Ballarat and Bendigo, its
discovery had an opposite effect on many of the old colonists who in their straitened circumstances were not unfrequently assisted by Mr Cosgrave. Upon Mr Fairwell relinquishing his position of treasurer of the
corporation in 1861, Mr Cosgrave resigned his aldermanship and was elected to fill the vacancy, and ever since then continued to act in that capacity. About 12 months ago he had a severe attack of gout and obtained leave of absence in consequence. He partially regained his health, but was never strong enough to resume his duties.
He was an accomplished boatbuilder and at the last Melbourne International Exhibition obtained the first prize for models of naval architecture. He was 58 years of age and leaves a son and daughter. His remains will be interred in the Melbourne Cemetery this afternoon.
(P.5,top half of column 2, Argus, 27-1-1885.)
It would be a fair assumption that James Cosgrave of the Fitzroy Arms Hotel was related in some way to John Cosgrave and that the hotel was on a corner block.(King/Little Bourke St.)
MISS HARRIET PHIPPS will hear of her brother William by applying to Mr. Jas. Cosgrave, Fitz Roy Arms, Little Bourke-street west.(P.2,Argus, 25-10-1853, MISSING FRIENDS.)
COSGRAVE.—On the 11th inst., of scarlet fever, at her residence, Kensington, Ellen, the beloved wife of
John Cosgrave, city treasurer, aged thirty-nine years. (P.4, Argus, 12-10-1868.)
THE Friends of JOHN COSGRAVE, Esq., City Treasurer, are respectfully invited to follow the remains of his late wife to the place of interment, Melbourne General Cemetery. The funeral to move from his residence, Kensington, on Tuesday, 13th inst., at half past 2 o'clock p m.
JOHN DALEY, undertaker, Latrobe and Spring streets. Melbourne. (P.8, Argus, 12-10-1868.)
ATCHESON.-On the 28th inst., at Kensington, the residence of his son-in-law, John Cosgrave, Esq.,city treasurer, Melbourne, Mr. Matthew Atcheson, aged sixty-four years. (P.4, Argus, 29-10-1867.)
Great regret is expressed amongst yachtsmen at the death of Mr John Cosgrave, whose interest in yachting never seemed to abate. He was one of the original members of the Victoria Yacht Club, and before the existence of that body had in 1858 built and won races with the celebrated Paddy from Cork cutter, 8.5 tons, which is still in Hobson's Bay. He also designed and had built by Edwards, of Princes bridge, the yachts Gleam, Idea, and Soud, centre-boarders, of from three to four and a half tons. In 1877 the Kathleen, a well known prize taker on the Albert-park lake, came on the scene from his design.
In the way of models, Mr Cosgrave took a medal at the last Intercolonial Exhibition, and with his models,
which are now in the Technological Museum, he was awarded first prize in the Melbourne International
Exhibltion. Mr Cosgrave's demise will be much felt for his practical information was always
placed at the command of the beginner. (P.5, Argus, 31-1-1885, YACHTING NEWS.)
It seems that the discovery of gold at Bendigo was due in no small measure to John Cosgrave's glowing report of the Ballarat diggings.
THE DISCOVERY OF GOLD AT BENDIGO.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE ARGUS
Sir,—On my return from Tasmania a few days ago my attention was directed to a discussion which took place in the Legislative Assembly on the 20th inst., as to who was the discoverer of gold on the Bendigo goldfield, and as I can perhaps throw some light on that subject, I now address you.
Now, Sir, I claim the honour of developing the first gold reef in Victoria and the first silver lode in Australia and I now, for the first time, publicly claim to be one of a party of eight men who discovered the first payable gold on the Bendigo field, and I will now narrate the circumstances leading up to and attending the discovery.
Early in 1851 I was working in Fulton's Foundry, in company with Mr. John Ditchburn, engineer—the now well known share-broker of this city—and others, when the discovery of rich gold on the Turon diggings, N.S.W., threw the people of Melbourne into a state of intense excitement, whereupon James Gardiner and Jonathan Sheldrake,blacksmiths ; Edward Whitehead, drayman ; and myself formed a party to proceed thither, but before starting for Sydney we had an interview with Mr. John Cosgrave, the late city treasurer, who had just returned on a fleet horse from Ballarat, where gold had just been discovered. After hearing his glowing account of the find we decided to try our fortune on that field, and very soon after made our maiden effort as gold diggers on the top of the Black Hill.(Great success, less success later at Creswick and a lack of water at Forest Creek allied with the advice of the Porcupine Inn's Mr Fenton led the party to the Bendigo area etc.) G. M. NEWMAN,
Mining Engineer and Expert.
Phair's Hotel, Collins-street, Aug. 29. (P.10, Argus, 5-9-1890.)
The Corporation's finance committee had apparently recommended somebody else to succeed Mr Fairwell as treasurer and The Argus complained about how despicable it was to appoint a failed businessman,a decayed publican and one of their own to the job. John's successful long tenure must have had the writer eating his words! TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17, 1861.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Tuesday 17 September 1861 p 4 Article
Another member of the Cosgrave family was Edward.
ANNUAL LICENSING MEETING.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Wednesday 25 April 1855 p 5 Article
... -street. Granted. Edward Cosgrave, FitzRoy Arms, King-street. Granted.
By 1858, John was running the Fitzroy Arms,but in 1860 he moved to a Swanston St hotel.
John Cosgrave, Cleal's Hotel, Swanston-street,from Daniel Cleal. Granted; the name to be changed to Cosgrave's Hotel.
James Healey, Fitzroy Arms Hotel, King street, from John Cosgrave. Granted.(P.5, Argus, 5-9-1860.)
A meeting of the general subscribers to the Hobson's Bay regatta, to take place on the 1st April, was held at the Port Phillip Club Hotel last night. Mr. J. Cosgrave occupied the chair.(P.4, Argus, 9-3-1876.)
No marriage notice has been found for John Cosgrave and Ellen Atcheson.
It would seem that Edward Cosgrave married a Miss Fennell and that she was a widow before her brother died in November.
On the 14th inst., of consumption, at the residence of his brother-in-law, Mr. Daniel Farrell, Leveson-
street, North Melbourne, Mr. William Fennell, brother of Mrs. Cosgrave, FitzRoy Arms, deeply regretted.
On the 15th inst., at his residence, Fitzroy Arms, Corner of King and Little Bourke streets, after five days' illness, Mr. Edward Cosgrave, aged 26 years, much regretted by a numerous circle of friends.
(P.5, The Age, 16-6-1855.)
On the 29th inst., at 185 King-street, Jane, wife of Mr. Caleb Malpass, and sister-in-law of Alderman Cosgrave, aged 25 years. Funeral at 3 o'clock this day.(P.4, Argus,30-4-1860.) Jane nee Atcheson?
John was at the Fitzroy Arms in 1853.
On Saturday, the 19th instant, at her residence, the Fitzroy Arms, corner of King and Little Bourke streets,the wife of Alderman Cosgrave, of a son. (P.4, Argus,24-2-1853.)
Could this be John Cosgrave's father?
COSGRAVE. —On the 18th inst., at his residence, 101 Little Bourke-street west, Mr. J. J. Cosgrave, aged 72 years. (P.4, Argus,19-3-1872.)
Silly me.I had searched for Katie and Davey in family notices without luck,presuming that more formal names would be used.There was nothing about Katherine.
McDONALD–COSGRAVE. –On the 11th inst., at St.Allpius' Church, Ballarat, by the Rev. Father O'Donnell, Michael Richard McDonald, of Ballarat, to Kate, eldest daughter of Mr. John Cosgrave, Melbourne.
(P.4, Argus,15-6-1867.) Their silver wedding notice was on P.1, Argus,22-2-1912; almost illegible but some details (names of church and priests)are different and Katie was John's only daughter.
NICE AND CLOSE TO THE LAKE!
COSGRAVE.—On the 25th inst., at his residence, Ross-telon, Ferrars-place, Albert-park, John Cosgrave (city treasurer), aged 58 years. (P.1, Argus, 26-1-1885.)
John Cosgrave's children were said by Symonds to be Katie and Davey but the following shows that the surviving son was John Thomas Cosgrave. Davey may have been the son born in 1853 and could have died as a child.
COSGRAVE.---In loving memory of my dear brother, John Thomas Cosgrave, died 22nd September, 1914, at Williamstown (Katie McDonald.)(P.1, Argus,22-9-1915.)
GRAND DAUGHTER AGNES?
McEWIN-COSGRAVE - on the 6th May,1935 at the Church of All Saints Newtown,Geelong by the Rev Denis M.Deasey B.A., John Oswald youngest son of the late Rev.John McEwin and of Mrs McEwin, Finniss street, North Adelaide to Agnes Beatrice of Dysart, Geelong younger daughter of the late Mr and Mrs J T Cosgrave of Melbourne.
(P.15, Argus, 15-6-1935.)
REWRITING HISTORY. JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER VISITED THE SULLIVAN BAY SETTLEMENT NEAR SORRENTO IN 1833 ???
This is not a comeback either. I downloaded this Mornington Peninsula Shire heritage study because the summary mentioned "Mann" and I was hoping to find if there was any connection between Mr Mann (farmer near Balnarring in 1902) and Mr Mann who wrote the Mt Eliza history in 1926.
Councils rightly engage consultants in an effort to preserve the history and heritage of their areas but when the finished product contains such stupid errors as the one detailed in the title of this journal,one wonders how authoritative the rest of the findings are. As the studies are conducted by professional historians, one can just imagine a local historian claiming that reports of Fawkner not arriving (on his second visit to the Port Phillip District)before John Batman were false. Of course an authoritative source (THE STUDY DETAILED BELOW) would be quoted but that does not change fiction into fact!
Anyone can make a careless error. My usual howlers include confusing east and west and writing 1843 for 1943 etc. Billot's LIFE AND TIMES OF JOHN PASCOE FAWKNER gives a precise time-line for Fawkner's second coming, including the claimed seasickness which prevented him leaving Queenstown and forced him to appoint Lancey to lead his party in his stead while he carried out his legal obligations.
1833 is complete nonsense! Surely professional historians could have third parties with some knowledge of history proof read their final draft before pocketing our rate money. I pointed out errors in a City of Moreland heritage study but was informed that they could not be corrected because the study had been accepted by council! Luckily Mornington Peninsula Shire had Simon Lloyd as its heritage planning officer and when I pointed out that Edward Jones' Spring Farm at Moorooduc had been confused with another of his farms, Penbank at the south west corner of Jones Corner, the mistake was corrected.
PAGE 19, MORNINGTON
Mornington Peninsula Shire
Graeme Butler & Associates
Edited by Context Pty Ltd
One of the families at the Collins settlement was that of John Pascoe Fawkner. Reminiscing
about his early Sorrento experiences, Fawkner noted the discovery of three commodities which
were to play major roles in the future development of the Peninsula: the abundant fish in the
bay, the native she-oak which grew profusely in many areas, and the lime deposits, stating
‘Before we left Port Phillip lime was found and this enabled every hut to build a stone
chimney’.56 Fawkner visited the settlement site again in 1833:
I went on shore where the first Settlement had been attempted in 1803—found the spots on
which ourselves and other settlers had built our Bush huts: The butts of the chimneys formed of
limestone were still standing and where each hut had been.57
Today, little physical evidence remains of the Collins settlement. The settlers’ sod huts with
their limestone chimneys have long since gone, as has the jetty built of she-oak. There is even
doubt that the early graves which survive in the settlement area are those of the pioneer
settlers.The graves were discovered in the 1870s and placed in a Crown land reserve in 1879.58
52 Calder, (2002), 20-21; see also Context & Urban Initiatives (2002).
53 Heritage Victoria First Settlement site Sullivan Bay Sullivan’s Bay HO1050 citation; Cotter, (2004), 14.
54 Ursula M. de Jong, Making tracks on the Mornington Peninsula -Quotes from Edgar French in Environment
Effects Act 1978, Blairgowrie Safe Boat Harbour, Assessment and Panel Report, December 1999, 5.
55 Moorhead, Op. Cit. 26.
56 Alexander, Op. Cit. 1 quotes Fawkner.
57 Alexander, Op. Cit. 1.
58 Nepean Historical Society Inc. 2008 comments.
P.S. A COPY OF THIS JOURNAL WILL BE EMAILED TO THE SHIRE. I WILL KEEP YOU INFORMED OF THE REACTION.
A FURTHER MESSAGE.
The map (figure 4) on page 24 claims to show tenants in the 1850's and 1860's but as it was probably Smythe's map of 1841, it is unsurprising that no tenants are named. The same map is included in Marie Fels' I SUCCEEDED ONCE (available online) and shows Hobson's homestead near the northern boundary and his (Bullock?) paddock near the southern boundary. The symbol # has obviously been added to the original map by Winty Calder to indicate homesteads such as widow McLear's "The Willow". If I remember correctly the area marked ? was one of the three Boon Wurrung encampments, the other two being just north of the survey (chosen by William Thomas) and near Hobson's homestead whose name was corrupted to Kangerong. The map confirms Colin McClear's claim that Dunn's Creek originally discharged into Sheepwash Creek before Walter Gibson dug the channel of about a mile to the present mouth. Marie Fels wrote glowingly of the friendliness displayed to the aborigines by Hobson and his (sort of) relative, George Smith.
A map showing post 1851 tenants can be seen in Colin McLear's A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA. Henry Dunn had leased the survey from 1846 to 1851. He may have concurrently sub-leased the Mt Martha run. (Osborne State School History.)
The two sentences in bold type are significant in regard to two themes. The first is in regard to the settlers changing the environment, making Dunns Creek enter the bay separately; the original volume of water at the mouth of Sheepwash creek must have created a deep channel which enabled Peter Pidota to load timber there. In regard to the aborigines, the study mentions their decimation and that they had nowhere to flee but from the start (Hobson 1837) they had many friends among the settlers such as the McCraes. If Thomas had not been held up by Robinson in trying to get the Boon wurrung away from the temptations of Melbourne, their demise may have been prevented.
P. ??? Charles Groves*. (*GRAVES.)
Extract from the 1902 farms section near the end of my journal about RED HILL POST 1940 AND PROPOSED BACK TO RED HILL.
GRAVES' (c/a 15, section A,Flinders,s/w corner Punty Lane and Tucks Rd. Only 190 acres. Melway 255 J5, H6, fronting the north west side of Punty Lane with the western boundary being from the creek in the exact centre of G6 to a point almost opposite 425 Tucks Rd.In 1900, Charles Graves Snr and Jnr were assessed on 374 acres, Flinders. I cannot establish where the other 184 acres were. )
A little farther along the road toward the coast we come to "Woodlands," a property of nearly 400 acres, belonging to Mr Graves, a very old resident of the district. Besides having a large orchard and garden, the
owner of "Woodlands" goes in largely for poultry farming. Mr Graves also conducts one of the oldest storekeeping businesses in the southern part of the Mornington Peninsula. The property is in good order and crops of any sort should grow well in the rich chocolate soil.
See A DREAMTIME OF DROMANA re Charles Graves and his business partnership with Mary McLear before moving to Shoreham. .
P.???. Steel lighthouse at McCrae. Caption under photo gives the impression that its presence there dates from 1874 although earlier text shows that it was manufactured in 1874 and installed about a decade later.
Dyson’s Peninsula Motors bus lines (1922-) had the school bus run from Sorrento and
Flinders to Frankston in 1930 and Phillips ran buses to Pearcedale in the 1950s.322 Dyson’s and
Lance Whittaker’s Portsea Passenger Service have become dominant in the area. Peninsula Bus
Lines was purchased by the Grenada* Group in 1976 and continues to operate from its Seaford
(* GRENDA. Grenda's Bus Services was founded in October 1945 when George Grenda purchased four routes from Shaves Bus Service in Dandenong.
Over the years a number of acquisitions were made:
Dandenong Boomerang Bus Lines in July 1951
Peninsula Bus Lines, Seaford in August 1958
O Bridges in the early 1960s
H Glenny in June 1965
Blue Line Tourist Coaches, Sydney was purchased in 1973, sold along with Grenda's Melbourne coach operation to AAT Kings in 1975
Portsea Passenger Service in February 1983 etc.WIKIPEDIA. )
P.89 and 90. ROSEBUD FISHING VILLAGE; 1886 OR 1872. (ALSO THE VILLAGE OF SORRENTO.) JAMES PURVES AND THE ROSEBUD.
P.89. Dromana and Rye were gazetted as official government township surveys in 1861, and
Rosebud in 1886. Watering places such as Sorrento waited until 1952*(354)and Portsea village was
carved out of private allotments, as a subdivision.355
The name ‘Rosebud’, according to various historians, came from the schooner owned by
Edward William Hobson, which was wrecked on the beach in front of the infant settlement.
Hobson, owner of the Tootgarook pastoral run, purchased the Rosebud from a syndicate of
Melbourne shipping agents in May 1854.** Although the early Rosebud settlement was on a
much smaller scale than that at Rye, it ultimately outgrew all the other townships in the former
Flinders Shire and is now the centre of local government. The town was surveyed and gazetted
in 1872. Rosebud’s origins were as a fishing village with a small shipbuilding*** industry.
*S.S.Crispo claimed that he was responsible for the declaration of the village of Sorrento. Charles Gavan Duffy was impressed with Sorrento in Italy as he sailed out from Ireland and is credited with naming the area. As noted in the study, he bought much land in the parish of Nepean. William Allison Blair, a lime merchant, bought much land at Rosebud West (later the Woyna Estate) and near Rye Township. As he sought land in the parish of Nepean, it was inevitable that Blair and Duffy would apply for the same parcel of land. Crispo stated that there was no clear evidence to prove which man was entitled to this particular parcel and being a member of the Coastal Survey (disbanded in 1867 and once led by James Grant)and a close acquaintance of Mr Grant, now in charge of the Lands Department, Crispo suggested that the disputed land be declared a village.
I have found no report of this particular disputed parcel of land; perhaps Crispo's suggestion prevented it becoming the subject of a court case. One well-publicised case (Duffy V Blair)involved each accusing the other of using Dummies. A SORRENTO VILLAGE search on trove produced results only for Sorrento in Italy and the novel AGNES OF SORRENTO until 1869. Two advertisements mentioning the village (Town and suburban lots) appeared in The Argus on 20-12-1869 (P.7) and 23-12-1869 (P.3.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 20 December 1869 p 7 Advertising
... , parish of Nepean, on Port Phillip Bay, adjoining the village of Sorrento. Upset prices £2 10s to ... LOTS. Sorrento, county of Mornington, parish of Nepean, on Port Phillip Bay, at Sorrento Point. Upset ... 9618 words
One would think that the village would have been declared before the advertisement was placed!
The Crispo claim. MR COPPIN AND SORRENTO. TO THE EDITOR.
Mornington Standard (Vic. : 1889 - 1908) Thursday 1 June 1899 p 3 Article
The Duffy/Blair dispute. SP.ECIAL LAND COMMISSION.
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 9 January 1869 p 6 Article
... brought hy Mr. W. A. Blair against Mr. C. G. Duffy, - and of a similar charge brought by Mr. Duffy against ... insinuated yes-terday that he (Mr, Purves) was a dummy«of Mr. Blair's.
** Peter Wilson gave evidence of Hobson's ownership of The Rosebud in ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD. He stated that the vessel was not insured. It was insured! By James Purves who had bought the lease of Tootgarook Run from Hobson in 1850. A group of about 11 insurance brokers had provided the insurance and most paid up when the vessel was stranded in 1855 but some claimed that the policy was voided because some paperwork had not been produced and that the stranding occurred on the EAST coast of the bay (which the policy did not cover.)
COUNTY COURT OF BOURKE. £200 JURISDICTION. Monday, May 19th. (Before his Honor R. W.Pohlinan, Judge, and Messrs. Laing and Marres, assessors.) PURVES V. KENT.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Wednesday 21 May 1856 p 2 Article
COUNTY COURT OF BOURKE. £200 JURISDICTION. Wednesday, 28th November, 1855. (Before R. W. Pohlman, Esq., Judge, and two Assessors.) PURVES v. SMYTH.
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Thursday 29 November 1855 p 6 Article
***ROSEBUD'S SHIPBUILDING INDUSTRY.
The name, Lacco, is synonymous with the building of wooden boats,as a google search for the words in bold type will clearly demonstrate. However these vessels could hardly be called ships and the industry had little to do with the origins of Rosebud. It was Mitchell "Mitch" Lacco (whose wooden statue is just across Murray Anderson Rd from his Rosebud workshop)who established the boat-building dynasty. In about 1916, his mother moved with Mitch to Queenscliff at about the same time as William John Ferrier (hero of the La Bella wreck at Warnambool in 1905) moved his family to their new house "Rosebud" (20 Beach St,Queenscliff.) Here Mitch honed his skills before returning to Rosebud while his mother helped to baby-sit the hero's children.
(Lew Ferrier, the hero's son.)
P.99. At Red Hill, a small store, post office and adjoining bakery were built by W.H. Blakeley in the
mid-1870s. The post office replaced an earlier one and still functions* as the Red Hill Post
Office and General Store.401
*The post office apparently still functioned as such when Sheila Skidmore wrote THE RED HILL. The building (710 White Hill Rd) is still standing with the post office boxes still intact but is now a private residence, having previously been a gallery. P.S. Is it all right for me to claim that the Empire State Building is STILL the world's tallest building? (I'm sure I could find a source even if it's 70 years old!)
P.101. The mistake is not in this study but a previous one. I'm not sure whether it was produced for Mornington Shire or Mornington Peninsula Shire but it gave the name and location of Watson's house and extensive grounds. However, displaying the same carelessness as J.P.Fawkner's supposed visit to the 1803 settlement in 1833, the name of the house was given as Melville House and as Melrose House. I had concluded that Melrose House was the correct version, probably based on an advertisement on trove.
In 1933 Melrose, Watson’s grand house of the 1880s at Mornington was purchased by builder
Eric Dowdle to add to his ‘Mary’ chain of guesthouses.
P. 106. 7.7 Providing health and welfare services
Nelson Ruddock (re the Dromana Bush Nursing Hospital) was Nelson Rudduck.
OBITUARY MR. N. RUDDUCK.
Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Friday 18 January 1935 p 4 Article
Two items that should have been included are:
the many private hospitals mentioned in birth and death notices such as at Mornington, Dromana and Somerville, amateur medico's such as Watson Eaton and some of the women (like Susan Peatey of the Survey)who served their communities as midwives;
the role of Cr Jack and the Edward Wilson Trust in providing the peninsula's first motorised ambulance service.
P.121. This is not an error but an effort on my part to confirm that the IRISH Robert White was involved in the construction of the first proper hospital buildings at the Quarantine Station. In January 1857 there were many advertisements calling for tenders for this work but nowhere could I find any mention of contracts awarded. There were contracts awarded for a cookhouse and fittings for the hospital buildings and tenders called for a jetty. However despite SANITORY STATION and SANITARY STATION being used as alternatives for QUARANTINE STATION, I could not confirm Robert White's involvement.
Robert White was one of several IRISH brothers mentioned in Lime Land Leisure who signed the petition in 1859 against a fence being built from White Cliff to the back beach (as detailed in Peter Wilson's ON THE ROAD TO ROSEBUD.) Pam Colvin is a descendant of this IRISH family. There was a SCOTTISH Robert White from Clackmannan whose family's story is the subject of PENINSULA PIONEERS, written by Stephen Lynch of N.S.W.(Family Tree Circle's toolaroo.) His son, Robert, married (in succession) two daughters of Hill Hillis, was a pioneer of Rosebud 1875-1890 and Red Hill where he was known as Blooming Bob White as he used this word as an alternative to swearing. His nephew was named Robert White on his birth certificate (because his parents had not married due to the unavailability of ministers) but brought up as Robert James (under which name he was granted c/a 27A,section B,Wannaeue); he later adopted the name on his birth certificate and became known as Bullocky Bob White.
Let it then be clearly understood that the builder of the hospital buildings was Irish and, with George, a pioneer of the Sorrento/Rye area.
Quarantine the Second Phase 1856 to 1875 | Nepean ...
A Planned Response – the Second Phase: 1856 to 1875
Our accommodations on the Sanitary Station, either for the purposes of ablutions, or for treating disease, or for providing for healthy immigrants, have been very meagre. There is a prospect that before 1859 they will be ample. During my experience of above three years on the Station, we have succeeded in every instance in stopping and extinguishing the disease for which each vessel has been detained. With the improvements at present in progress, I look forward with considerable confidence to the continued efficiency of the establishment.26
Thus wrote Dr J Reed, Surgeon Superintendent of the Sanitary Station in his report to Parliament dated 1 January 1858 which detailed ‘the principal circumstances connected with the working of the Sanitary Station during the year 1857’. This was possibly the most significant year in the history of the station as it marked the commencement of work on the first ‘permanent’ structures: the five two-storey stone hospital buildings.
The five hospital buildings were sited by Dr. Reed and Alfred Scurry, the afore-mentioned Clerk of Works; two were sited on the rise (Hospital Nos 1 and 2), initially for the use of the ill and convalescing emigrants, and three Hospitals were sited on the flat to provide accommodation for those detained as a precautionary measure. Albert Scurry subsequently prepared the plan for the hospital buildings which are dated November 1856.
Plans for One of First Five Hospitals 1856
Plans for One of First Five Hospitals 1856
In April 1857 Dr. McCrea, the Chief Medical Officer of the Colony approved Scurry’s plans and local contractor Robert White commenced construction. To facilitate the works, White was permitted to keep sixteen bullocks – to haul stone and other building materials – and five horses on the station for the duration of his contract. Permission was also granted to undertake lime burning for the building works and to this end, White was permitted to utilised dead wood found within the station grounds. A quarry was also established at the station to supply the stone. Welch has written that initially the buildings were not rendered, but deterioration of the sandstone within a few years necessitated the rendering of the exterior stonework.27
Concurrent with the construction of the hospitals was the erection of a three-roomed cookhouse – including accommodation – behind the two hospitals on the rise – and three two-roomed stone cottages for labourers more permanently employed on the station. In addition a four-roomed stone cottage for the storekeeper was constructed; it occupied the site of the present-day Administration building.28 Drawings for these structures were prepared by Alfred Scurry and are dated December 1856. A proper jetty was also constructed – initially it was determined that it would be useful if the contractor Robert White constructed a jetty which the Government could then take over, no public funds being available for the purpose at this time.29
White must have balked at this assumption, for in 1858 a contract was awarded to Mussen & Company for the sum of £958 to construct a timber jetty, 249 feet in length, to plans prepared by Alfred Scurry.30
PATRICK TOMUT WEE WEE,a Rosebud fisherman buried at Rye Cemetery, lost his life while conveying four quarrymen to the Quarantine Station in 1869. The quarrymen, who also perished, are named in newspaper reports.
P.146. The sentence about the Rye Anglican Church (in bold type) is not only placed in the second paragraph (about the Dromana Anglican Church) instead of the first (about the Rye Anglican Church), but also gives the impression that it was the first place of worship for the Rye Anglicans. The second (present) place of worship was built on the site of the original school/church built with lime donated by James Trueman. As correctly stated (bold type in paragraph 1), the original stone was used (in addition to stone donated by Ben Stenniken) to construct the second building on the site. It is possible, because of crumbling masonry, that the old building could not be used for services during the period when the present school was being built, and that private homes were used for a while, but the Church of England school/church had been the place of worship for many years.
(Church website, Patricia Appleford's RYE PRIMARY SCHOOL 1667.)
St Andrew’s, Rye, built in 1882, became the second-oldest stone church in the Shire, after St
John’s at Sorrento, and represents the development of a substantial congregation at a
comparatively early stage in the population growth of the region. The church was built, to the
design of Henderson and Smart, with stone recycled from an earlier structure which had served
as a school hall and church until 1875. For some time the building was used by both
Presbyterian and Anglican congregations. The church was extended in 1980.589
Construction of St Mark’s of Dromana was commenced in 1892 as the third-oldest stone
Anglican church on the Peninsula after St Andrew’s, Rye (1882), and St John’s, Sorrento
(1874). *Prior to this, regular services at Rye had been held in private homes. Between 1885 and
1892, the Union church on the corner of Heales Street and Point Nepean Road was used by
the Anglican congregation. From 1893 until 1960 St Mark’s was included in the parish of
Mornington and Sorrento. The parish hall was added in 1958 followed by the parish office and
opportunity shop in 1989.590
P. 147-8. METHODIST CHURCHES.
No mention is made of the Dromana and Rosebud Methodist churches, the Rudduck involvement, the Band of Hope, Rosebud’s only Sunday School for many years, the Rudduck organ dispute with the Rosebud Mechanics’ Institute etc.
NO MENTION OF DROMANA PRES. AND BUILT IN A DAY ROSEBUD PRES.
Newspaper articles that prove the following paragraph from page 150 of the study have been found. A Dame Nellie Melba google search reveals that her son, George ARMSTRONG,inherited her property near the Melba Highway. I had assumed that the concert described by Grace E.Caldwell in 1921 had taken place in 1875 soon after the Continental Hotel opened (in October, according to Coppin's advertisement.) However "mine host" in December 1875 was not Hughes, as stated by Grace, but M.A.Cleary, who became insolvent because patronage had been affected by scarlet fever, stormy weather and THE HOTEL NOT BEING COMPLETED! As Cleary received his certificate of Discharge of Insolvency in October 1876, he must not have been the proprietor of the hotel for long and it is possible that William Hughes (who re-opened the hotel in 1879) became the proprietor soon after the 1875/6 peak season finished. My speculation that "mine host" might have been Sir Daniel Abraham Hughes would now seem to be wrong, although he might have sold the Continental site to Coppin's company, but the reference will not be deleted. If William Hughes was not "mine host" in about 1876,when Helen Mitchell would have been about 15, and Grace E.Calder was instead describing the 1885 concert (which was to raise funds for the cemetery), why would she have described Melba (by then a 24 year old married woman as a GIRL?
P.150. SORRENTO MECHANICS’ INSTITUTE. The hall was the venue of a concert by Madam
Melba, then called Mrs Armstrong on January 24th 1885, when Melba sang two solos and a
duet. This was reputedly her first concert since she first sang publicly, as a child, in her home
town Richmond.614 In the next year, she travelled Europe to begin a serious musical career.(614)
(614. 614 Sorrento and Portsea Yesterday, 58-9. N.B. THIS IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLIOGRAPHY.)
Is it possible that Dame Nellie gave two concerts in Sorrento? Grace Caldwell linked the first concert with the Continental Hotel (built 1875) which had just been constructed. Helen Mitchell would then have been about 14 years old. Could the author(s) of "Sorrento and Portsea Yesterday" have been a decade off the correct year or were there two concerts, or was Grace Caldwell wrong about Nellie being a girl when she organised the concert and when the Sorrento Cemetery was fenced as a result?
Extract from my journal, written as itellya, DAME NELLIE MELBA'S FIRST CONCERT, SORRENTO ...
Another thing, Dame Nellie Melba Queen of Song, gave her first concert in this the queen of watering places. The Continental Hotel had just been erected* (Hughes being mine host ) and Melba was here with her father. Walking one day they came across the grave of a member of the crew of a recent wreck and being told it was a cemetery which they were going through, the girl exclaimed, "And without a fence!" It was explained that it was probably owing to lack of funds that the cemetery was not closed in. She decided to give a concert, and wrote the placards herself being wise enough not to mention her own name for "singing in public makes a young girl bold" was the father's opinion who was then in ignorance of his daughter possessing "a singing voice." The concert was held, and a sum made that erected the fence that is still there, whilst today if Dame Melba repeated the performance, two people would have to occupy one chair, so great would be the enthusiasm to rehear her-
Yours, &c, GRACE E. CALDWELL.
Sorrento, Sept. 26.
(P.10, bottom of column 6,Argus, 28-9-1921.)
*The Continental Hotel was built in 1875 by Ocean Amphitheatre Co Ltd of which George Coppin was the Managing Director.( Continental Hotel - About www.continentalhotel.com.au/).
trove search re armstrong, concert (JAN,FEB 1885)/CONCERT, CEMETERY FENCE 1875/ HUGHES, CONTINENTAL 1875
THE COMPANY'S CONTINENTAL HOTEL,
The above hotel is now being tastefully and comfortably furnished, and will be opened to the public at once.etc. (P.8, Argus, 23-12-1875). N.B. M.A.Cleary was the proprietor, not Hughes.
It is possible that "mine host" was not the lime-burning pioneer after whom Hughes Rd was named but an insolvent in 1875, Sir Daniel Abraham Hughes who had sold land to Coppin's Ocean Amphitheatre Company. Perhaps,he had owned the Continental Hotel site and Grace assumed that he ran the hotel. See:MELBOURNE, column 5, P.3,Geelong Advertiser, 13-7-1875. It would seem from the first advertisement that Cleary had not been the first lessee; perhaps it had been Sir Daniel. Coppin advertised,P.8, Argus, 2-9-1875:" SORRENTO Continental HOTEL to LET, now building. Possession in October. Full particulars of G. Coppin." Cleary wrote in December:" Tho proprietor begs to intimate that the hotel is in no way connected with anyone but himself." Michael Austin Cleary became insolvent because the Continental was unfinished when it started operating and scarlet fever (probably the Webster children)and stormy weather had reduced patronage.(P.7, Argus, 9-10-1876,LAW REPORT.)
It seems that Grace's facts were slightly incorrect. William Hughes was the proprietor of the Continental when it re-opened in 1879.
CONTINENTAL HOTEL, SORRENTO CONTINENTAL HOTEL, SORRENTO
RE-OPENING Of the CONTINENTAL HOTEL, SORRENTO
New Furniture and Stock Great Reduction in Prices to meet the times Terms-Board and Residence, 30s per week ; all meals, 1s. 6d Passengers and luggage taken from the steamer to the hotel free of charge
WILLIAM HUGHES, Proprietor (P.3, Argus,27-12-1879.)
The reference to a concert in the Mechanics'Institute in January 1885 is correct and it was in aid of improvements to the Sorrento and Rye cemeteries.
On Saturday evening an amateur concert will be given in the Sorrento Mechanics'Institute, in aid of the improvement fund of the Sorrento and Rye cemeteries. (P.5, Argus,22-1-1885, bottom of second last column.)
A concert which was attended with great success took place at Sorrento on Saturday in aid of the funds of the local cemetery. The hall, which was crowded, was very tastefully decorated. The performers, who were well known amateurs, viz., Mrs Armstrong, the Misses Service, Barry, Dawson, Donaldson, Anderson and Messrs Cadden, Hood and Hesselmann all rendered their solos remarkably well. The funds of the local cemetery will be increased by more than £20. (P.5,halfway down in column 3, Argus, 27-1-1885.)
P. 151 ROSEBUD MECH. INST.-NO MENTION OF SHIRE LIBRARY
DROMANA MECH. INST.-NOT MENTIONED; ROLE AS VENUE FOR SHIRE MEETINGS.
P.153-4. NO MENTION OF ROSEBUD OR DROMANA SCHOOLS.
P. 181. Well, this didn’t tell me anything about John G.Mann that’s not already in my journal: MR MANN WROTE A HISTORY OF MT. ELIZA.
From the bibliography.
Mann, J.; 1926. `The Early History of Mount Eliza on the Morning ton Peninsula’, re printed
in Mount Eliza Community Association, Mount Eliza, Mornington, 1985. In the possession
of Jess White.
Frustration at my edits not submitting caused me to retire twice but my enthusiasm led to resumptions as soon as the situation improved. However now my internet connection is practically zero and has been for weeks. Add this to the frustration of not receiving replies to my emails re the William John Ferrier 110th anniversary (see below) and from schools etc., and the result is that my enthusiasm is as strong as my internet connection, practically zero. When I was having trouble submitting edits,at least I could still research trove etc., but now if I turn on my computer, it is almost certain that the internet will not be connected. That means no trove, no F.T.C., no facebook and no email.
To get a signal,I have to go walkies, a bit like a business owner having to duck home from the office to use the internet. This is the main reason for the almost complete loss of my enthusiasm. This email of May 22 from a council officer,still not followed up almost eight months later, is typical of another factor.
Dear Mr xxxx,
Thank you for your recent letter concerning Ferrier’s 100th anniversary. I have passed your letter on to my Local History Coordinator for advice and will ensure that we reply to you by the end of next week.
Regretfully, my plans for the 110th anniversary of Ferrier's heroism in 1905 and the Back to Red Hill reunion will not be able to be pursued.
As my computer will be unplugged in future, if you send me an email or a private message on F.T.C.,please text your name and F.T.C. to 0438 874 172.
Best wishes to my many history friends and thank you for your help over the years.
BONNIE WILLIAM FROM DUNDEE.
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The Tuerong run stretched south from about Tuerong Rd to the southern shore between Coolart and Henry Tuck's Manton's Creek Run. There was a great number of lessees, the last being Ralph Ruddell who was granted the pre-emptive right. Ralph's surname has been written wrongly on several occasions, probably being confused with John Carre Riddell. The run included some of the Tubbarubba Diggings where it adjoined James Hearn's Mt Martha Run and Jamieson's Special Survey. So when Joseph McIlroy referred to "Riddell's Plain" in his diary (quoted in Sheila Skidmore's THE RED HILL),he meant RUDDELL'S Plain.
The early 1860's saw several residents in the parish of Moorooduc become insolvent, including Ralph Ruddell and Victoria's first manufacturer of bellows, Joseph Porta. Ralph lost the pre-emptive right, with ownership passing to descendants of BONNIE WILLIAM FROM DUNDEE.
THE SCHNAPPER POINT MURDER.
This case, in 1874, was so named because the defendant was committed to trial at Mornington. It actually took place near the Tubbarubba Diggings, at which the victim's watch was found three decades later by the Moat brothers while they were probably working for Bernard Eaton. The Wilson's of Tuerong were much involved in the case as witnesses and also in helping the police in their search for Moriarty's body.
(MORIARTY, WILSON, FIRTH search on trove?)
THE SCHNAPPER POINT MURDER. (BY OUR SPECIAL REPORTER.)
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Monday 21 September 1874 p 6 Article
The family believes that Wilson Rd was named after it but it might have been named after an academic who had a house near the bay end. However, there is absolutely no doubt that the C.B.Wilson Reserve on that road was named after a family member. Charles Bowman Wilson, descendant of the Tuerong Wilsons and another Wilson family long resident in Mornington, became the President of the Mornington Shire, a great surprise to many according to Joan Downward because there were so many prominent candidates to fill the position and Charlie was a mere train driver.
MR. H. WILSON.
The death occurred at Mount
Martha on June 2 of Mr. Herbert
Wilson aged 66 years. The deceased
had been in indifferent health for
some time, but the eNd came unex
pectedly. He was the youngest son
of the late John Bowman and Agnes
Wilson, who were pioneers of the
Mornington district, arriving from
Keilor Plains in 1863. His parents
settled at Tuerong, where he was
born. The deceased accepted man
agership for Sir Geo. Fairbairn about
30 years ago, and at his death, was
still in Sir George's employ. He was
highly respected, by all sections of the
community. His splendid work was
repponsible 'for "Greenlaw", being de
veloped into a model farm, carrying
a fine flock of Suffolk sheep, fat and
dairying cattle. Stock from this pro
perty, when yarded at Tanti always
brought high prices. At the Sheep
breeders' Show Sir George Fairbairn's
Suffolks have gained many awards,
the judges commending the excellent
quality of the exhibits. Mr. Wilson
was one of the first to realise the ad
vantages to be derived from subter
ranean and other clovers on Penin
sula farms, and was also a keen ad
vocate of top-dressing pastoral lands
with superphosphate. In his young
days he took an active interest in the
Mornington Town Band and was one
of its foundation members. He was
also associated with the Military
Rangers. It was then a unit which
held Easter encampments at Lang
warrin. He was a good cyclist, and
on one occasion won a gold medal for
a championship event staged on the
old picnic park track. The late Mr.
Wilson was one of the first persons
to own a bicycle in the district. The
machine was imported from England
and cost about 30.
Deceased showed ability in carving,
and during the 'war period assisted
and made many walking sticks for the
Red Cross to be used by disabled
soldiers. One stick made, carved and
stained by Mr. Wilson was a magnifi
cent one, and was presented to the
then Governor of Victoria by the late
Cr. F. M. Linley. The timber and
stain used was taken from trees at
"Greenlaw." He was also a member
of the Voluntary Bush Fire Brigade
He is survived by a widow, two sons
(Frank and Herbert), and ond daugh
ter . (Alberta). His surviving broth
ers are Willian McDonald (Frank
ston), Frederick (Healesville), Ai
thur and Edwin ( Queesland). His
only surviving sister is Mrs. Ellen
Wilson, of Mornington.
Burial took place in the Mornington
'cemetery, on June 4, the Rev. W. J.
Youngston officiating. A service was
held at the home prior to the funeral
departing for the cemetery.
The cortege was a large one and
included many relatives and sympa
thising friends. Many beautiful
wreaths were sent.
The pall-bearers were Messes. T.
Male, F. Doherty, W. Cavell, G. Grin
dal, Wm. Wilson, Fred. Wilson
The coffin-bearers were Mes.rs. G.
Stockley, W.Barnes, G. Free, F. Dow
ling, A. Coxhell, and A. Smith.
The funeral arrangements were in.
the hands of Mr. James Wilson, of
Mornington. ( Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Friday 19 June 1936 p 5 Article)
You'd reckon that the name of the author of the history would have been given as John G.Mann! He lived in Harbury, Mt Eliza. John was one of the very active members of the the Mt Eliza Volunteer Bush Fire Brigade. He was a member of the Field Naturalists Group as was Mr S.Mann. When St James the Less Church was damaged by an earthquake in 1932,it was reported:"Mr. J. G. Mann who has an intimate knowledge of the history of the
church, has circulated an appeal for funds to repair the building. A ready response to the appeal is expected."
(THE EARTHQUAKE RESIDENTS ALARMED. LITTLE DAMAGE DONE
Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Saturday 10 September 1932 p 1 Article)
After Frankston High came second in a Wildflower competition run by 3AR and 3LO at the Melbourne Town Hall in 1930,it was reported:"The students have decided to have an exhibition of wild flowers at the school on Monday next, to see how many varieties they can obtain. Mr.Bincham, the local florist, in Young street, who very kindly staged the exhibit at the Town Hall, has agreed to stage the exhibits on Monday. Mr.J. Mann, of Mt. Eliza, who is an expert in wildflowers has consented to attend and name the flowers brought in.
(FRANKSTON HIGH SCHOOL WELFARE LEAGUE.
Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Saturday 25 October 1930 p 4 Article)
It is fitting that Mann Rd (Melway 101 J 9) leads to a reserve. I hope that the wildflowers that Mr Mann so loved grace the reserve!
Plenty of sources state that Canadian Bay was named after three Canadians who loaded firewood there but it was only the previously mysterious Mr Mann who named names!
Without amateur historians such as L.Wilding of Flinders,Isabel Moresby (ROSEBUD: FLOWER OF THE PENINSULA) and John G.Mann, much of the Mornington Peninsula's historical information would have been lost. How John would have loved to talk to Isabel about the flora and fauna of Rosebud and New Guinea!
I always felt a little silly quoting MR MANN as the source when discussing Alfred Jones of the "Almond Bush Stud" at Somerville and the Liverpool anchoring well offshore in Canadian Bay. At least we know now that the author was not the aborigine referred to as Mr Mann in Marie Fels' "I Succeeded Once."
I will be requesting the Mornington Peninsula Shire to ask the City of Frankston to name the anonymous reserve at the end of Mann Rd in Melway 101 H10, the John G.Mann Nature Reserve.
John Mann even listed the wildflowers which could be planted in such a reserve.
Floral Reserve Proposals
Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Friday 1 April 1938 p 1 Article.
The monthly meeting of the Mt.Eliza Progress Association was held at the Mt. Eliza Hall on Wednesday evening last, when a good attendance of members was recorded. The president, Mr. Tyler, presided. The usual business was dealt with.
History of Mt. Eliza.
At a previous committee meeting, Mr. J. Mann presented a manuscript which for the last few months he has
been compiling, and has now completed. It was read and received with great enthusiasm. Mr. Mann has given in his work a very thorough outline of the locality since it first came into being over 60 years ago.It is very interesting reading now, and will prove more and more so as years go on.
Residents of the Mount are very grateful to Mr. Mann for the time and trouble which he devoted to the work. A hearty vote of thanks was passed to Mr. Mann. The cost of publishing of the book,which is to be printed and published by "The Standard" will be under 30 pounds. This is very satisfactory.
(Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Friday 20 August 1926 p 7 Article.)
John Mann's "Harbury" was assumed to be near Mann Rd, but the following account indicates that it was near Old Mornington Rd and about 300 metres from Marathon (12 Marathon Drive) which was built on the site of James Davey's "Marysville" (built in 1851.) James Davey later built another house overlooking the bay which was replaced by Sargood's "Denistoun." Why did James Davey call his pre-emptive right the Marysville Estate?
An old resident and colonist named Mary Davey, relict of James Davey, expired this afternoon at the residence of her son, after a short illness. The deceased was 86 years of age, and came to the district early in the
forties, her husband and she being amongst the first white people to take up their abode in these parts. Mr Davey at one time owned a sheep and cattle station between here and Mornington*, and what was afterwards known
as the Marysville Estate was his original pre-emptive right.
(The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Saturday 9 September 1893 p 10 Article.)
*There is no evidence that the Kannanuke Run (from the creek to Mt Eliza) adjoined the Ballanrong Run whose pre-emptive right includes the Mornington Racecourse.)
federation-house - Melbourne's Federation Heritage
Marathon is a large residence and garden established in 1914-24 in the Federation Arts and Crafts style. The house features a conspicuous gabled roof, a tall broad stuccoed chimney and contrasting textures of building fabric, typical of the Arts and Crafts style. The style is also demonstrated in the garden design by the geometric compartmentalised areas, many with central axes, terracing and use of stone for steps and retaining walls.
The garden style also integrates an uncommon Italian design influence by the use of cypresses, clipped hedges, fountains and statuary . The place is of exceptional interest being one of a few notable homes designed for the Grimwade family and it is one of a small group of large summer residences with extensive grounds erected in the first decade of the twentieth century. 
Marathon, constructed in 1914, is significant because of the relationship between house and garden. Designed by the architectural partnership Butler and Bradshaw, with substantial extensions designed by Walter and Richard butler in 1924, it is an interesting example of a large beachside residence designed in the Arts and Crafts manner. The garden, also designed by Walter Butler, with its formal terraces, axial layout, structures, stairs, walls, paths, pergolas and ornaments reflects the Arts and Crafts philosophy of garden design, and of creating outdoor "rooms". It is a fine example of Butler's garden design, having the grandest plan and being the largest and most intact surviving work.
WILLIAM ALP'S house (now 4 Cassiobury Avenue)was on seven allotments.(City of Frankston Heritage Study 1991.)The study assumes that it was the house on Grimwade's almond orchard. It would seem logical that the orchard was on or near Orchard Lane on the south side of Daveys Bay Rd but the study,in discussing "Marathon", states that the Orchard Estate encompassed Harleston Rd.
The present Health Retreat on the south corner of Daveys Bay Rd may have been the Childrens' Hospital orthopaedic section mentioned in the same paragraph as Toorak College.
FIRE THREATENS HOMES
Big Blaze at Mt. Eliza
Stern Fight to Save Property
The most serious outbreak of fire in many years occurred on Monday afternoon when some of the finest homes in the Mt. Eliza district were threatened by a fire which broke out in the dense scrub between Harbury,Mr. John Mann's residence, and the new Pt Nepean road; fanned by a moderate breeze the flames were carried toward the old Mornington road.
Firemen and volunteers waged a stern war with the fire to prevent it reaching Mr. Mann's house. Those who
could bear the terrific heat did what they could to check the advance of the fire while others worked hard
with, axes to. cut away the tall tea tree which grew~ within a few feet of the rear of the house.When it seemed certain that nothing could save the property a slight change in the wind caused the flames to subside a little and the face of the fire nearest to Mr. Mann's was beaten out.
While the fire was at its height in this section, burning leaves or bark were carried by the wind to Marathon,
the beautiful home of Major General, H. W., Griinwade, which stands about one and a half furlongs from Harbury, and ignited the dry grass at the rear of the property. Fortunately the outbreak was seen before it had gained a firm hold and was beaten out. While one party was striving to save Mr. Mann's property another was having an equally stern struggle on General Grimwade's property adjoining Harbury, an almond orchard containing about 500 trees was slightly damaged, but the clearing enabled the fighters to prevent the fire reaching one of houses on the estate occupied by Mr. William Alp.
The fire engine, which could not be used earlier because no water was available, was then taken to a point near Davey's road where a fire plug was found. The value of the new engine was soon demonstrated. Pumping from a main in which the pressure was low an excellent flow of water was delivered from the hose at high pressure and the fire was soon under control at that point.
In the meantime the fire had spread along the bed of Kackeraboite creek and the brigade was recalled to Harbury which was again in the path of the flames. The engine was attached to a private hydrant near General Grimwade's home and water was forced through 600 feet of hose to Mr. Mann's. The pressure was so poor, that the hose itself could not be used, but men ran from the end of the hose to the fire with buckets and succeeded in saving a small cottage and preventing the further advance of the fire in that direction.
The dense scrub in this area was the sanctuary of hundreds of birds that had been encouraged by Mr.Mann to visit his home and to come to him when he whistled. For years he has spent part of his leisure in training the birds to overcome their fear of human beings. Much of the scrub near the house is unharmed, and it is to be hoped that the birds have not perished.
While one face of the fire was being brought under control the other had spread toward the home of Mr.I.Walters and adjoining residences. The fire engine had just been brought to this point when another alarm was given from Miss Violet Teague's property where burning leaves had ignited the scrub about a quarter of a mile from the main fire. This outbreak was beaten out. Had it gained a firm hold several fine homes, the Toorak college and the orthopaedic section of the Children's Hospital would have been endangered. Residents became so alarmed that
the Mornington brigade was summoned but the outbreak was under control when it arrived.
When the wind died down at night the fighters were transferred to the new Pt. Nepean road where the fire was burning fiercely. Working along the face of the fire men and boys beat out the flames and shortly after midnight ,the last of the men were withdrawn. On Tuesday morning many trees and logs were still burning. Some firemen returned to the scene of the fire and extinguished burning trees that were near enough to the edge of the burnt area to cause a fresh outbreak.
(Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Saturday 11 February 1933 p 1 Article.)
Shortly after "Mr Mann's" history was published, the progress association was discussing sales and associated matters.
Cr. Montague suggested that Mr.McIlroy be asked to take the books in hand also. From what he could gather the booklet was being well received. He had heard several remarks that were complimentary both to the author, Mr. Mann, and Standard Newspapers, the publishers of the work. Many members of other associations had told him that they should be very proud of the booklet.
(Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Friday 17 December 1926 p 7 Article.)
As well as his community service at Mt Eliza, John Mann was also much involved in Frankston itself. The Frankston Progress Association was keen to assist his efforts.
The Secretary urged members to assist in every way possible for the Annual Flower Show to be held in the Mechanics' Hall next month, and suggested that they get in touch with Mr J. G. Mann and other members
of the committee.
(Frankston Progress Association
Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Friday 22 August 1924 p 2 Article.)
Wild Flower and Daffodil Show
SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 13.
SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 13.
MECHANICS' HALL, FRANKSTON
MECHANICS' HAIL', FRANKSTON
From 2.30 p.m.
In the Evening:
COMPETITIONS FOR SINGING AND RECITATION.
Microscopic Slides will be shown by Mr. Jas. Lambie.
All information from-Messrs. P.W. Bartlett, J. Haggart, J. G. Mann,A. Montague, Committee of Management.
(Frankston and Somerville Standard (Vic. : 1921 - 1939) Friday 12 September 1924 p 2 Advertising.)