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I've avoided using Red Hill in the title because those words seem to attract the "Oh Noes" gremlins. That's exactly what I mean by Arthurs Seat but the alternative also lets me include the Brady family of Wannaeue and Alexander Shand, as well as the same storm affecting Red Hill and Dromana.
I've been presenting a lot of information that is available on trove. If it was about the Mansfield family, Neil would have found the articles himself,but he would not have found "Ritchie's Foe" anywhere. The poems that I propose will present facts gleaned from trove and countless other sources and provide something a little different in your family history. If I use italics it is because the source had it wrong ( eg. Don instead of Dohn.)
Margaret Davies, a name on the Kangerong parish map,
Has a story that is mainly gap.
On 20-8-1877 she was granted crown allotments 13 A and B
But nothing more about her I see.
A widow or spinster, on whom did she depend,
John Davies, Pine Grove, Balnarring; Davies Bros at North Woodend?
Her land was east of Andrews Lane to the east Kindilan boundary.
Was it Margaret who lost it to the mortgagee?
If you look up this advertisement,from which the poem was sourced, you will be surprised to see page 2 labelled with the name of a N.S.W. newspaper, but if you look at the actual page, you will find that it is the Argus.
THURSDAY, AUGUST 8
Sale of 129a 5r 31p of LAND, Parish of KANGERONG, County of Mornington By Order of the Mortgagees J.BELLIN has received instructions to SELL by AUCTION, at his rooms 8 Collins street east, on Thursday, August 5, at two
o' clock,Two Government sections of land, Nos. 13A and 13B, parish of Kangerong, containing 129a 3r 31 p , and having frontages to two Government roads, partly fenced, and well timbered. This land is about seven miles from Dromana, and adjoins Mr Arkwell's farm.
Mr James B. Wheeler, the Red Hill post-office, will direct Intending purchasers to the land. Inquiries for Davies's farm.
(P.2, Argus, 31-7-1882.)
The Red Hill Band of Hope was all agog
At Nelson's show about the evils of grog.
The two London waifs on Rudduck's magic lantern
For temperance had the audience panting.
Downward, Arkwell,and H.P.Davey were on the go
To organise the Red Hill Horticultural Show
With T.and J. Cleine and T.Parkinson.
Later they combined with Dromana and Mornington.
N.B. T.Parkinson lived at "Forest Lodge" after H.P.Davey,probably leasing from Clark of N.S.W.who had bought it. Forest Lodge was at Melway 161 E-G 11-12, fronting Red Hill Rd.
Arthurs Seat jutted into the bay; a problem this did pose
Until in 1866, Ned Williams cut into Anthony's Nose.
It was sail,wait till the tide was out while you had a rest, or
Climb up to the Cape Schanck road if you wanted to go west.
Peter Pidoto had a craft to fish
But he'd carry anything you'd wish;
Like wood from up near Dromana's peak,
Loading near the mouth of Sheepwash Creek.
Walter Gibson had the mail contract to the Schanck,
Jimmy Williams' and Harry Cairns' cargo stank
But their passengers told them, "Thanks,
Better than the pony owned by Shanks!"
Jimmy sold to Keith McGregor who ran a Ford T van
To Melbourne, which they wanted to ban.
That's when Spencer Jackson came to the fore.
Keith later sold to Billy Adams,his brother-in-law.
The Purves' horses at Tootgarook were well above par
And were driven by Patterson lads to Kirk's Bazaar.
Blacks Camp Davey* drove a cart for Benjie Shaw, draper,
Who later ran Kangerong in the guest house caper.
Bullocks hauled loads for firewood,sleeper and pier
With drags to slow descents by such as George McLear,
While to the west she oak was carted more
To fire the kilns, and bagged lime carted to the shore.
Near Owen Cain's Tyrone, limecraft would come in at high tide
And be propped up with timbers all along each side
So when the water receded, after quite a time,
Carts could come on the hard-packed sand and they could load the lime.
Sorrento's cargo was people back-beach amphitheatre bound;
The summer demand for chaff pleased many farmers around.
The cabbies'horses pulled up the main street hill, manure a-droppin';
Later the steamers were met by the tram brought in by Mr Coppin.
Farmers came from far and wide to keep the tourists fed,
Fruit from such as McIlroy and Vegies from Alf Head;
Mornington too,for another Red Hillite, was worth the ride,
At Sargood's place young Simpson met his bride.
Extract from Dromana,Rosebud and Miles Around on Trove.
THE AULTS AND THE METHODIST CHURCH. Henry William Ault seems to have been a lay preacher in the Methodist Church. He was listed in Wise’s Dromana trades directory of 1895 as a carpenter. He had lived for many years in Lakes Entrance when he died on 14-11-1934, having remained a stalwart of the church. (Gippsland Times 19-11-1934 page 1.) Harry Ault of Sale had an important task as an engineer in W.W.2. H.J. Ault moved to Mile End in South Australia and named his house “Dromana”.
Henry William Ault was, by 1875, leasing Joseph Pitcher’s grant, 72B, Balnarring, of 140 acres 1 rood and 37 perches, at Red Hill. By 1887 he appears to have purchased the block, fronting the east side of Mornington-Flinders Rd (Melway 190 E-F5) and now occupied by Mock Orchards. The end of Pardalote Rise indicates its south east corner. (Balnarring parish map, Flinders and Kangerong Shire rates.)
The Dromana Methodist church was built by “Brother Ault” in May and June 1878 and Henry was an original trustee, along with Rev. Lindsay, John Coles, Edward Barker, Alexander Shand, C.D.Gunson and William McIlroy. (A Dreamtime of Dromana page 124.) Shands, McIlroy and Barkers Rds indicate where three of these trustees lived, and Coles was probably from “Minto” near Westernport. Brother Crichton had been on the building committee; he probably lived at Glen Lee (Melway 252 K1) but also had bush paddocks nearer to Main Ridge. Nelson Rudduck of Dromana, who was soon to become a stalwart of the church, and J.S.Rudduck (his wife) received a grant of 100 acres (170 J9-10)between Kinwendy Rd and Duells Rd in 1888.
The Rev. Watford pointed out that many of the people in the mountains earned a living by splitting timber but could not get their produce to Dromana because of impassable roads. In view of the Shands, Barkers, McIlroys, Crichtons, Rudducks and Aults living south of this impassable barrier,and other families such as the Hopcrafts (Melway 190 D7 and F9) so opposed to drink that they must have been Methodists*, a church was probably also built at Main Ridge. The Flinders Heritage Study discusses a former Methodist manse being built in Palmerston Ave by Nelson Rudduck for the Main Ridge minister, it is likely that its occupant conducted services at Dromana too.
*Robert Adams’ wife, a Hopcraft, refused to live at Hopetoun House at Adams’ Corner (Wattle Place) because of Captain Adams’ drinking.
Joseph Harpen, the Springs
I was wondering if you have ever come across a Joseph Harpen of the Springs during your research? My great grandmother Catherine Guilfoyle was an Irish orphan assigned to him in 1849. In addition, Susan Guilfoyle was assigned to James Robertson of Portland in 1849. Do you know if he is connected to the James Robertson of La Rose?
Marcia, Ignore the first paragraph.
It's not much fun researching HARPEN on trove because most results are for happen, Harper and sharpen. I was going to link Harpen with Keilor or Doutta Galla but there seemed little prospect of getting a result, and based on one result and your mention of Portland,I entered Camperdown and Springs. There were probably scores of properties and places called Springs and it is possible that Joseph Harpen was at Springs near Camperdown.
Given that there were three totally unrelated James Robertsons within a few miles of Essendon (La Rose and Trinifour near Essendon; Upper Keilor and Aberfeldie; and Gowrie Park near Campbellfield), I would not even dare to suggest a relationship between Jimmy of Portland and the others. But you never know!
HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON!!!
What if the name of Catherine's employer in 1849 was Joseph HARPER? Joseph Harper was the wheelwright at the Springs in 1848 and 1849 and was up on a charge of dudding a servant. This does not mean that he was on the Foster estate stretching from Tullamarine to Keilor Park and if it did, there was no indication whether he was at the north end like David O'Nyall of the Lady of the Lake or on the road to Keilor.
For the delivery of the above mares and cattle, separately or conjointly to the under-signed, or Mr. Joseph Harper, Wheelwright at the Springs, the following rewards will be paid viz. :-£2 for the mare without foal and each of the three bullocks ; and 3 pounds, for the mare with foal.
Springs, Mount Macedon Road. September 19, 1848. (P.3, Argus, 26-9-1848.)
Mount Macedon Road doesn't help much to specify Harper's location because it was used to describe the road to Keilor and the one to Deep Creek (Bulla), and even Pascoe Vale Rd (the road to Sydney past the Young Queen Inn.) However William O'Neil is another matter.
A former policeman, called Gay Lothario in Angela Evans'"Keilor Pioneers: Dead men do tell Tales",William leased "Leslie Banks" from the Fosters for many years; Leslie Banks was across Fosters Rd (now Keilor Park Drive) from Springs, on the Maribyrnong River's banks, between the lines of Sharps Rd and Spence St. Soon after, the part of the Keilor Township in today's Horseshoe Bend Park was alienated in 20 acre lots, with lawyer F.D.Wickham securing most of them, but William O'Neil soon owned all of the horseshoe bend. This makes it likely that William O'Neil and Joseph Harper were operating on the road to Keilor rather than today's Melrose Drive.
It seems that Joseph Harper had moved to Kyneton by 1856.(P.5, Argus, 25-10-1856.)
He may have been an innkeeper at Woodend in 1852:
LOST on the (I8th?) of November, between the Five Mile Creek, Mount Macedon, and Jackson's Creek, Two Cheques on the Union Bank of Australia. One on the 4th November, No 23, for £215/10 s. do. on tho 10th, No 43, for£215/15s; drawn in favor of Joseph Harper,innkeeper, of the Woods End Inn, Five Mile Creek. (etc.)
(Signed) JOSEPH HARPER. (P.8, Argus, 16-11-1852.)N.B. WOODS END looked like WEEDS BAD, due to a surplus of ink, so I hope my guess was right.
The land north of McCombe St and east of Rosebrook St was referred to as section A in the 1919 assessments. This was the second stage of the subdivision first advertised in 1914, the 70 "seaside" lots north of McCombe St being placed on sale in 1913 when the Hindhope Villa had 39 acres of grounds remaining. As Section A was the rest of Hindhope except for 14 acres west of Rosebrook St,it can be concluded that the land east of Rosebrook St consisted of 25 acres. Frederick Allan Quinton bought many blocks near the Hindhope Villa block (lot 95 and 96) but Alexander Mackie Younger's first wife bought the 14 acres of grounds, which might account for the absence of lots 19 to 32 on the subdivision plan,which makes no mention of section A.
Those assessed in 1919 on land in section A were:
A.L.Adcock, Red Hill, 6, 7, N.A.V. 2 POUNDS!; H.Cairns 14, c/o Mrs Papper, 433 George St.,Fitzroy; Mace, Wangaratta, 84, 85,86; W.R.Mullens 17, 18, c/o Jennings Rosebud; J.Patterson,Rosebud, 13; Mrs Emily June Ada Nethercote, Hawthorn, 12.
Not all of the above gained title. H.Cairns could have been Harry or Helen, neither of whom died for some time so the partly paid-off block may have been sold because of financial difficulties or an offer that couldn't be refused. The Mullens and Jennings family were related by marriage as shown in part 2. L.Adcock of Red Hill was occupying 42 acres and buildings on crown allotment 20C Wannaeue (at Melway 190 D 11-12) in 1919. I can find no Cairns/Papper connection so perhaps the Fitzroy family was leasing the block. Mr Mace's full name is below.
All lots below were transferred from the developer, Arthur A. Thomas to the buyer.
SOUTH SIDE OF McCOMBE ST.
LOT -- DATE--- TRANSFERRED TO.--- FRONTAGE--- NOW
1 --- 14-9-1923--- Elizabeth Lyng --- 100' 10"--6 First Ave.
2 --- 14-9-1923--- Elizabeth Lyng---- 50'------As above.
3 --- 27-3-1922--- Margaret Agnes Mott--50'------No.1 McCombe St.
4 --- 20-5-1924--- Arthur Nichols ----- 50'------No.3.
5 --- 8-7-1925--- Charles Nichols -----50'------No.5.
6 ---15-11-1916--- Leonard Frank Adcock-50'------No.7.
7 ---15-11-1916--- Leonard Frank Adcock-50'------No.9.
8--- 25-8-1924 --- William Alderson *1--50'------Unit 1 and 2, No.11 McCombe St
9 ---25-11-1937---Harold Thomas Devine--50-------No.13.
10-- 7-8-1921 --John Forrest Kilpatrick-50'------No.15 west to middle of drive.
11-- 7-8-1921 --John Forrest Kilpatrick- 50'-----No.17 and west half of drive.
12--16-4-1920-Emily Irene Ada Nethercote- 50'----No. 19.
13---27-4-1921--- James Kilgour Rae --- 50'------1/21 McCombe St (west to pillar between carports), and 5 and 6 of 1A Rosebrook St behind.
14---18-11-1921--Alfred Freeland Gibbs---50'-----2/21 McCombe St (east to pillar between carports),and 3 and 4 of 1A Rosebrook,fronting Rosebrook.
-------------ROSEBROOK STREET (THE NORTHERN 160 FEET TO THE BEND)-----------
15--- 9-3-1921 ---Gladys Iris Jennings---50'-----Plaza Car Park to east kerb of entry/exit separator.
16--- 9-3-1921----Gladys Iris Jennings---50'-----to diagonal crack in footpath west of entry/exit.
17---19-12-1923---Edward Adolph Mattner--50'----west to pedestrian crossing sign.
18---19-12-1923---Edward Adolph Mattner--50'----west to double veranda pole outside post office.
*1. William Alderson lived on a Rosebud Fishing Village block, and being a Carlton supporter, wasresponsible for the colours of the Rosebud Footy Club jumper. It was changed to incorporate a light horizontal panel for one year because old Mr Dark had trouble spotting the players in the late afternoon but a return to the Alderson design was demanded.
*2.The Jennings family's background is discussed in my journal about connections between the Rosebud and Geelong areas.
As mentioned previously,lots 18-32 were probably allocated to the 14 acres of "Hindhope Villa" grounds transferred to Elizabeth May Younger on 17-8-1918.This eventually became "Hindhope Park" on 5 acres (now the Plaza), and house blocks on Boneo Rd, Maybury St, Donald St and the west end of Hope St.
It is possible that lots 18-32 were intended to front the west side of Rosebrook St with lots 19 and 20 fronting McCombe St west of lot 18, each with a frontage of 50',between points 200 and 300 feet west of Rosebrook St. Lots 21 to 31 would have run uphill from the bend in Rosebrook St with frontages of 50 feet and depths of 160', except for lot 21 which would have had a frontage of 100' because of the angle of the south east boundary of lots 15-18.
The reason for the above assumptions is that the sketch of title for Elizabeth May Younger's purchase on 17-8-1918 indicates that Hope St extended 160 feet west of Rosebrook St and that a lane 550' long went due (magnetic) north almost to the rear boundary of lot 18, with another lane veering left 191 feet from the end for 213 feet until it reached a point 100 feet west of the south west corner of lot 18, from which it ran parallel to lot 15-18 boundaries to meet McCombe St at a right angle.
No such lanes were planned for the first stage, north of McCombe St, or the second stage, east of Rosebrook St; they would have been intended for the purpose of a sanitary service.Postscript-There do seem to be back lanes in the other areas mentioned. In residential areas without sewerage, the toilet was built on the back fence line and the nightman would drive along the back lane and replace the full pan with an empty one.It would be interesting to find out where the shire of Flinders dumped its "fertiliser".
Essendon's was dumped on Cam Taylor's "St John's" which became the original (north) part of Essendon Aerodrome.
I wonder if trove will tell me when a sanitary service commenced in Rosebud.
It hasn't but by 1910 Dromana and Sorrento had a sanitary service and Portsea was demanding one. This may have influenced Thomas to include the lanes west of Rosebrook St, but the influence may have come from Miss Alice Currie.
WOMEN TO WOMEN A FAMILY HOLIDAY BY THE SEA Summer Respite for Country Folk PRO VESTA.
It was just before war broke out in 1914 that Miss Alice Currie put before the public a plan providing seaside holi days for country folk on the most economical basis possible, in the hope of raislng funds to bring that plan to fruition. There was every possibility that she would have received the support she asked for but the war intervened and, as with many ...etc.
In a letter which appeared in The Argus on July ß Miss Currie outlined the plan upon which it is proposed to
establish residential seaside camps sanitated and supervised and self-supporting by means of very moderate charges...etc.
When Miss Currie made her idea public in 1914 the plan of an organised residential camp with equipment as simple, plain and standardised as possible and consistent with comfort and efficiency was taken up commercially as a business venture at Rosebud with special terms for country people for the last three years.
(P.13, Argus, 10-7-1935.)
A SEASIDE CAMP.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Tuesday 3 May 1932 p 3 Article
... A SEASIDE CAMP. Miss Alice Currie of Toorak, who will be remembered for her advocacy of sea-side camps has had her ambitions realised In the organised permanent model camp at Hindhope Park, Rosebud, Victoria. The camp has been established by private enterprise and last summer it accommodated ...etc.
EAST SIDE ROSEBROOK ST DOWNHILL FROM HOPE ST.
LOT ---- DATE ----TRANFERRED TO ----- FRONTAGE--- NOW
33 ---11-3-1924 --Frederick Allan Quinton 50' --- 25 Rosebrook with 8 Hope St in eastern half.
34 --- As above ------------------------- 50' --- 23 McCombe.
35-- Application in 1993, Woodward -----50' --- No.21.
36---19-6-1925- Margaret Jennie Edwards --50' --- No 19.
37 --- 13-5-1927-- Harold Liversidge -----50' --- No.17.
38 --- 18-6-1924--Harold John Corry ------50' --- No 15.
39 --- 23-5-1923--Edgar George Hughes ----50' --- No.13.
40 --- 8-3-1923 --James Kilgour Rae ------50' --- No.11.
41 ---As above ---------------------------50' --- Southern 50' of No. 7 to peg near brick wall.(Could be number 9 but no number is displayed.)
42----As above ---------------------------50' --- Northern 33 feet of No.7 and north to middle of 1/5 gate.
43 ---As above----------------------------50'---- Remainder of No.5.
44 ---As above----------------------------50' --- No.3.
45 ---As above but 46' 4.5" frontage and 3' easement on north side. No. 1 Rosebrook St.
THOMAS ST (UPHILL WEST SIDE)
LOT-----DATE----TRANSFERRED TO ------FRONTAGE --- ----------NOW
8 McCombe side boundary 146'3.5' to bend and another 36'3". Paced out correct.
46 --- 25-9-1923---Ethel Corinth Stewart--128'3"------ No.2,opposite 1, 3, 5.
47 --- 24-3-1918---Walter Burnham --------50'--------- No.4,opposite north part of 7.
48 --- 24-3-1918---Walter Burnham --------50'--------- No.6 opposite south part of 7& No 9 drive.
49 --- 12-8-1927---Ethel Corinth Stewart--50'----------No.8 opposite No.9 between drive and south boundary.
50 --- 8-4-1925----David Brownhill Bruce--50'----------No.10 opposite No.11.
51 --- 16-4-1925 --Mary Jane Hill --------50'----------No.12 (new double storey at front) opposite No.13.
52 --- 21-6-1920 --Lily McBean------------50'----------No.14 opposite north half of 15-17.
53 --- 21-6-1920---Lily McBean------------50'----------No.16 opposite south half of 15-17.
54 --- 11-3-1924---Frederick Allan Quinton-50'---------No.18 opposite No.19.
55 --- Ditto------------------------------50'----------No.20 opposite No.21.
56-----Ditto------------------------------50'----------No.22 opposite 23.
57 --- 15-4-1921--Minnie Irene Waterhouse-50'----------No.24 opposite 25.
58 --- 4-3-1924---Frederick Allan Quinton-50'----------No.26 opposite 27.
59 ----Ditto------------------------------50'----------No 28 (and Hope St back unit) opposite 29.
The title for the Hindhope Villa block of 1 acre 1 rood and 39 perches was for lot 96 (now 46, 48 and 50 First Ave)and lot 95 whose north and south boundaries were the same as the front and back fence lines of the houses on the south side of Hope St. The southern boundary adjoined lot 60 (which was directly opposite the east end of Hope St) but went west another 20 feet so the Hindhope Villa residents could access the 14 acres of "grounds" west of Rosebrook St via Hope St.
The north west corner of was in the middle of Windella Ave and from this point I followed the line of Thomas St south for 180 feet (60 paces.) I came exactly to the bend in Windella Avenue. Bends in an otherwise straight road can only mean two things: (1)dodging an obstruction such as a boggy patch or a too-steep gradient or (2)a boundary between two subdivisions (i.e. Hindhope and The Thicket.)
Windella Avenue to this bend (the southern boundary of numbers 5 and 2 Windella Ave)is wholly on lot 95 as are 1, 3, 5 Windella and the front lawn of No.2 in front of the carport.
THOMAS ST (DOWNHILL EAST SIDE.)
60 ---11-3-1924--Frederick Allan Quinton--50'-------------No.31 opposite Hope St.
62 --Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------No.27 opp.26.
67---Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------No.15-17 (vacant part from northern boundary to north side of gate),opposite No.14.
68---Ditto--------------------------------50'-------------Southern half of 17 including driveway and house, opposite No.16.
69---8-7-1925----Bell Frances Hill--------50'-------------No.13,opposite No. 12.
70---6-8-1925---Robert Percival Wall------50'-------------No.11,opposite No. 10.
71---25-2-1929--Elsie Bowerman Leigh------50'-------------No.9 south of its driveway,opp. No.8.
72---2-6-1947---Roy Marcus Dark-----------50'-------------No.7 south from said part of tree to south side of No.9's driveway),opposite No.6.
73---23-8-1926--Lucy Alice Thompson-------50'-------------northern part No.7(south to northern edge of nature strip tree), opposite No.4.
74---23-3-1926--David Hamilton -----------50'---------------No.5 opp. south part No.2.
75--29-9-1924-QUINTON(Allen Lawrence,Norman Frederick)-50'--No.3 opp. central third No.2.
76--22-1-1926---William Alderson----------47'10"-----------No.1 opp. north (almost) third No.2.
Side boundary of 7 McCombe,155'9" to bend and another 26'1"the present garage) to William's block.
FIRST AVENUE (WEST SIDE UPHILL FROM McCOMBE ST.)
Side boundary of lot 1 (McCombe St)----- 101'10". Now 6 First Avenue.
77---11-6-1928---James Nichols ----------125'7"--- 8 First Ave (75 feet)and No.10 (50 feet.)
79---30-6-1927---Hugh John Parkes------- 50'-------No.14.
80---30-6-1927---Hugh John Parkes------- 50'-------No.16.
81---23-8-1926---Lucy Alice Thompson---- 50'-------No.18.
82---7-4-1926----Albert Woolley Craig----50'-------No.20.
83---15-6-1926---Janey Isabella Watts----50'-------No.22.
84---19-2-1919 --Arthur Reginald Mace----50'-------No.24.
85---Ditto-------------------------------50'--Part 26-8 south to .5 metre past power pole.
86---Ditto-------------------------------50'-----south half of 26-8.
87---11-3-1924---Frederick Allan Quinton-50'------No.30.
95---(9-1-1923 Annie Cameron,(12-3-1926 Keith McGregor)Mortgaged to Alex Mackie Younger 30-12-26 and discharged on 31-3-1927, (31-3-1927 Gilbert Livingstone Culliford), (31-3-1927 The National Permanent Building Society).
These transfers also involved lot 96 to the west,lots 95 and 96 comprising the homestead block of one acre one rood and thirty nine perches,virtually one and a half acres.The frontage of lot 95 was 180 feet. Numbers 46, 48 and 50 each havea frontage of 60 feet with the southern fenceline of No.50 indicating the boundary between Hindhope and The Thicket. No. 50 First Avenue is the Hindhope Villa.
LOT 96 AND THE NORTH SIDE OF HOPE ST.
96---- (See lot 95 above.) The western boundary is virtually on Windella Ave running 170 feet south from a spot 20 feet across Thomas St which I just realised is named after the developer, Arthur A.Thomas)in line with the front fence line of houses on the south side of Hope St to a spot level with the back fence line of those houses. Details re occupancy of lot 96 are given before the start of THOMAS ST,EAST SIDE.
97----11-3-1924--Frederick Allan Quinton--50'--- the western 30 feet of Windella Ave, 1 Hope St west to the middle of the third fence panel, and most of No.2 Widella Ave to the south.
98----3-7-1954---Denzal Victor Victor Purser-50'---- The western part of 1 Hope St.
99----11-3-1924----Frederick Allan Quinton---50'-----3 Hope St
100---Ditto----------------------------------50' ----5 Hope St
101---Application 1993,Woodward--------------50'-----7 Hope St.(The application would have been to create dual occupancy for 7A,also on lot 101,at the back. Includes the 7A driveway.)
102 and 103? --11-3-1924---Frederick Allan Quinton---- 150' (to about 10 feet past the line of west side of Rosebrook e.g. the Plaza fence.) Nos. 9,11 and 13 Hope St, all with 50' frontages. 103 is confusingly written straddling the line 10 ft west of Rosebrook St[ rather than within a block as all the other lot numbers were.
LYNG, MOTT, NICHOLS,ADCOCK, ALDERSON, DEVINE, KILPATRICK, NETHERCOTE, RAE, GIBBS, JENNINGS, MATTNER, CAIRNS, DARK, QUINTON, WOODWARD, EDWARDS,LIVERSIDGE, CORRY,HUGHES, RAE, STEWART, BURNHAM, BRUCE,HILL,MCBEAN,WATERHOUSE, WALL,LEIGH, DARK, THOMPSON,HAMILTON, ALDERSON, NICHOLS, ESPIE, PARKES, CRAIG, WATTS, MACE, PURSER,
An Argus Souvenir of THE PENINSULA ARGUS FREE PHOTOS
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 7 January 1954 p 17 Article Illustrated
Motor Spares, 128 Young St, Frankston. McDonald's Rosebud Newsagency.
Jacobs& Lowe, Real Estate, 35 Main St, Mornington.
H&J Hancock timber and hardware, Rosebud. (West corner Nepean Hwy and First Avenue.)
G.C.Campbell,wrought iron, Truemans Rd, Rosebud West opp.bus stop 58,rear Campbell Town Flats also at Nepean Hwy, Rosebud next to Shell garage.
H.R.Woodward and Sons, butchers and graziers, established 50 years, Edithvale, Chelsea, Carrum, Frankston. Watch for opening of new shop at Rosebud shortly.
Rye Lands Estate Sale (Formerly Rye Golf Links, W.E.Prentice, Melb. As shown by the map the golf course/Estate was south of the township/cemetery and bounded by Dundas St and Golf Pde. Young Bill Prentice would drive down every weekend and park his car at the end of Lyons St to use it as a sales office. He came to like Rye so much he opened his own office there.The McDonalds called their course the St George Links. (Rye Historical Society newsletter articles.)
Golf (Margaret Masters, Lach Stanes), facitities (Frankston Hospital, Mornington Pre-school), Reg Ansett's Manyung Hotel, formerly Sir John Grice's mansion, at Mt Eliza, the next Lithgow Flash (Lois Jackman of Frankston High.)
N.H.MacPherson,real estate agent, Nepean Hwy, Dromana opposite pier, after hours phone Main Ridge 20. N.B. Part of the former course of Main Creek Rd in Melway 254 F-G1 is called MacPherson Lane.
McDonald's of Dromana, hardware and camping supplies, Nepean Hwy, Dromana. (It was Hinves and McDonald in the S&McD 1950 directory.)
George Austin, real estate, Frankston (photo of building.)Austin Rd in Melway 148 D3 was named after George according to Murray Gomm.
Rechter's Friendly Stores, Rosebud (a)Self Service near Murray Anderson Rd (b)Full Service Melbourne side of Boneo Rd.
June Frock Salon, Mrs June Wright prop., Nepean Hwy Rye opp. pier.
Dava Lodge golf course at Mt Martha, Busy Bay St at Frankston, two-time winner of the Mornington Cup trained by Noel McDonnell at Montana Stud next to the racecourse, Sorrento-Portsea surf lifesaving club members, Alby Morrison, star of Sorrento's premiership team at 45, and vice president Bill Roseman, with details about the M.P.F.L. and other V.F.L. and V.F.A. players (OLLE,WILSON,STAFFORD,KENNEDY)playing for Sorrento.
Wilson's butcheries est.1853 (in Port Melbourne), photos of three shops, the third probably the one that stood at 10 McCulloch St, Dromana next to Beauvoir, and photos of Henry, Ben and Sam.Sam lived in 4 McCulloch St.
Rosebud Real Estate Agency and Holiday Bureau with photo looking very much like Henderson's building on the west corner of Murray Anderson Rd. (It is. See page 27.)
Reg Ansett's house (Norman Lodge?), crowd scene at Mornington races, Mrs Henty's round house on Olivers Hill.
ART.The show -Mr R.E.F.Woodward, President.Mr Gadsden of Four Winds (Melway 160 K12) had entered his prize ram.
Austin sales and service -13 Young St Frankston & cnr Main and Barkly St, Mornington.
Gregory's pharmacy Rosebud right opposite the carnival. (Fred?) Gregory was a great member of the Rosebud community and the Rosebud Chamber of Commerce has erected his statue, trowel in hand, on a corner in the shopping strip.
Radios, Desmond Boyd, next newsagency, Rosebud.
Erlandson and Co.,Pier Store, Rye. (Pretty sure it should be Erlandsen, a descendant of Erland Erlandsen of Sorrento. The store, now a cafe,has been rebuilt.)
R.W.Riley, drapery and menswear, Back Beach Rd, Sorrento.
T.Electrics, Bay St, Frankston,right next to Snow's.
Peninsula Radio, 80 Main St, Mornington and Hotel building, Rosebud.
Cora Lynn Cafe, Nepean Hwy, Rye, M.&M.C.Milton.
Another Rosebud timber and hardware store (pictured.)
Building booms (Wakeham,Goss), the H.W.Wilson story*, Eric M.Hall and Peninsula Bus Lines, manufacturing process for colortone bricks, R.A.Leslie and Frankston Electric Service.
(*H.W.Wilson Jnr was actually Henry William Burdett Coutts Wilson, a longtime shire councillor who took over the Sorrento branch of the business, In about 1905 he was building a new slaughteryard at Dromana with Mr (probably John)Townsend when his little son slipped into a seven foot deep waterhole. Henry waded into the murky water and brought out his son's lifeless body. See my John Townsend journal.
ESTATE PLUS TOURIST GUIDE. "Coupled with the growth of Rosebud, the Rosebud Estate Agency, under the guidance of Reg Henderson,commenced business about three years ago, and has been responsible for much of Rosebud's expansion. Apart from ordinary estate agency business, it also operates a tourist bureau."
Peninsula Plate, Swann and Hudson,Ross Smith Avenue, Frankston.
Frankston Electric Service, 531 Bay St (See R.A.Leslie above.)
Portsea surf beach, Teddy Weeks and Marilyn King in boat with a huge schnapper they caught out of Mornington, the back beach pool at Sorrento, Mr and Mrs F.W.Cummings of East St Kilda out for a ramble at Sorrento.
Will the Duke go to the polo in Melbourne where some members of the Mornington Peninsula Polo Club will be in action? "Polo is one of the main sports on the Peninsula going ahead like wildfire. Since the old Mt. Eliza
Polo Club was re-formed about two years ago, great interest has been shown in the sport by people from not
only the Peninsula, but also from Melbourne. THE MEMBERSHIP of the new club has leapt to 100 and is still rising. The club conducts its matches in a lovely setting at Tuerong Park, Mornington.
It is the property of the club's secretary, Mr. J.V.Edgar. Mr, Edgar is one of the club's most experienced
players. Mr. A.H.L.Gibson is president of the club."
Tuerong Park was the majority of the pre-emptive right of the Tuerong Run with its historic homestead located at Melway 151 K3 being used as an office by Dromana Estate Vineyards which has produced a history of the property. The bend in Vineyard Lane is its south west corner and the end of Gillett Rd its south east corner.
McDONALD, JACOBS,LOWE,HANCOCK, CAMPBELL, WOODWARD,PRENTICE,MASTERS, STANES, ANSETT, GRICE, JACKMAN, MACPHERSON, McDONALD, HINVES, AUSTIN,RECHTER, WRIGHT,McDONNELL,MORRISON, OLLE, WILSON, STAFFORD, KENNEDY, ANSETT, HENTY, GADSDEN,GREGORY, BOYD, ERLANDSEN, SWANN, HUDSON, WEEKS, KING, CUMMINGS,EDGAR, GIBSON.
Nothing lasts forever! This is especially true regarding Rosebud which has lost so many of its historic buildings, and far-less so overseas where the Pyramids, Colloseum, Panthanon, quaint villages, ancient cathedrals etc. draw huge numbers of tourists. Aborigines had an incredible connection with "place" and family historians have caught the bug. In today's DESPERATELY SEEKING, one wanted to find out the sites of a hotel and a house in Bendigo. That is why I try to provide precise locations of farms etc, even if it makes for boring reading.
As well as acknowledging and providing details about pioneers, I also aim to raise public awareness of an area's heritage so that people can experience the feeling of "place". To this end, with the assistance of Frank Thom of Rosebud Plaza, I am producing a series of one-page histories of the Rosebud area. The first is about Hugh Glass, The Thicket and Hindhope farms and Hindhope Park, with a photo and newspaper article about Hindhope Park. It is on the noticeboard near Baker's Delight.
This morning while I continued the 1954 Mornington Peninsula souvenir journal, I received a phone call from Ray
Woolridge. This is what he told me.
Hindhope Park was managed by Bill Woodward and his wife, Marge,in 1955-7 and they were followed from 1957 into the 1960's by Fred Parker. Fred's son, Dick, married one of the girls who had holidayed at the Park. (Dick was one of the stars of the Rosebud Football Club and a very good cricketer for years at Boneo. He was the one who suggested that I interview the late Ray Cairns,the Boneo Bradman.)
Ray's family lived in the Preston area and there was a group of families from there that spent their summer holidays at Hindhope since the late 1940's. Ray knows the exact site occupied by Bert Deacon's 21 person "colony" on the foreshore that is mentioned in my 1954 Mornington Peninsula Souvenir journal. Bert, a Brownlow Medalist and Carlton great, was captain-coach of the Bullants and most of his colonists were Prestonites.
At Hindhope there were three good kitchens and eating areas and visitors could use the cabins or provide their own camping (as was the case with the Clemengers' Parkmore near McCrae many decades earlier.) Every summer there would be a golf tournament at Carrington Park (Rosebud Public Golf Course)and the "Hindhope Gift" on New Year's Day.
Later on Ray Woolridge spent his summers at Netherby, now full of home units with entries in McDowell St and Jetty Rd. This was a caravan park run by Don Miller which closed in the mid 1980's. It consisted (wholly or partly) of the 2 acre lot 76 of Woolcott's subdivision of crown allotment 17 Wannaeue,purchased in 1878 by George and Susan Peatey and occupied by them from 1888 when they had repaid Nelson Rudduck's loan.
The closure of Netherby resulted in Ray holidaying at Heather Lodge, situated where Kentucky and the mini golf
are now. It was run by Jack and Audrey Hetherington and closed down in the early 1990's.
Deserting trove, I did a google search for Hindhope Park and found this treasure.
Hindhope Caravan Park | Five Little Lady
Hindhope Caravan Park
On the first night we arrived at Hindhope,for a months long stay, I woke in the middle of the night with an urgent request from Yvette to take her to the toilet block.
We had arrived in the darkness not knowing what to expect. Home left behind in Melbourne for the Summer shores of camping at Rosebud. the cabin was tiny and airless but was adequate for our needs it was more or less a glorified tent.
An enamel sink in one corner and bunk beds, old drawers and a wardrobe. Unbearably hot during the day but we intended to spend all our time outside of it.
My husband had stayed back in Melbourne to work and we had fled a boring old house in Keysborough for the wilds of Rosebud. The traditional Aussie break coming to us at last, a summer holiday on the safe foreshore of the Bay.
I grabbed Yvette's hand and a torch and we walked out into the night sky. Once we reached the bright lights of the toilet block I could see why Yvette was agitated. She was covered from head to toe in Measles. And we were there amongst families for the entire month, no thought of going home entered my brain.
So the next day I told all the people in the communal kitchen at breakfast. we had our own table, a distressed timber construction with long bench seats on either side. The seats were given to be a bit rough and had to be carefully navigated to avoid lethal splinters to the unwary.
We had our own fridge with a tiny freezer and in the massive kitchen there were enough cookers to feed 24 families. I gave all the families the information about Yvette's condition and they all agreed it was fine for her to come in with their children.
She didn't leave the cabin for days and I had to nurse her sore eyes and bathe her head with water from the sink but she was fine again after a few days. Then Debbie went down with it and Alena and Lauren didn't as they had had the measles injection. It was a disastrous start to what would become a regular holiday for us, always just us. No hubby.
By the following week we were really into the swing of things. Fun coming from the other families and their kids and every night at dinner we met up and compared the days happenings.
I took out other kids my girls had befriended and other Mums and Dad took mine with them to Arthurs seat or the Carnival with its swinging Pirate Ship. Coming back hot and sticky with pink and green fairy floss.
From then on we did everything, exploring the foreshore, swimming in the warm water that was almost bath like in its temperature and it was always safe as it was mostly shallows with little ripples that could be body surfed by a 10, 9, 5 and 3 year old child.
We went to the hot concrete pool and the girls didn't like it and we left preferring the sea and sand and the parks with their swings and see saws. But the nights were the best when the kids were sent to faraway tables to play cards and the adults would play Trivial Pursuit or cards and get merrily drunk.
My drink de jour, Spritzers of white wine and soda and ice. I smoked then as did all the others and puffing away and drinking we would endeavour to answer the questions seriously. we would retire to the cabins we all had as late as possible and as tipsy as possible so we could sleep in the hot boxes.
The kids never had a problem sleeping, however, worn out from helter skelter during the day, wind, sun and sea burning their cheeks and then turning them mahogany brown. their Father having olive skin and the girls lucky enough to inherit it.
An Argus Souvenir of THE PENINSULA ARGUS FREE PHOTOS
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 7 January 1954 p 17 Article Illustrated
This continues on from the first journal that summarised details on pages 17-20.
ADV= Advertisements, ART= Article. Businesses will not be mentioned unless they include an address or name, except where extra detail can be supplied.
Sorrento Hotel, W.B.Roseman. J.G.Taylor, canvas worker, 1 Main St, Mornington.
Rye Ice and Fuel Supply, Napier St, Rye. ( This was on the site of the R.S.L. car park. See Patricia Appleford's RYE PRIMARY SCHOOL 1667 which includes anecdotes from former pupils including a descendant of the supplies' owner.)
Rye Cake Kitchen, Nepean Hwy, next to jeweller.
Model Beach House at Mt Eliza(not involving locals.)
The Campers-Even the Kitchen sink.(Bert Deacon, Carlton F.C.great and his colony of 21 people from Preston; Mr.G.Armstrong, sec. of the Rosebud foreshore trust; Maslen, Riddell, Evans, Purcell,Spencer, Watkins, Stokes, Cairns, Walker, Charles, Sutherland.)
ADV. Johnston's Menswear of Mornington. Bayside Electrical Service, Nepean Hwy, Rosebud West.
Hilltop Estate, Hughes Rd, near Koonya Beach, Archer Real Estate.
F.E.Wood, Real Estate, opposite lighthouse, Nepean Hwy. ( Wood St, between Eighth and Ninth Avenue, Is named after Forrest Edmond (Joe) Wood, a Flinders Shire councillor, who was very active regarding the foreshore and the new hall at Rosebud,lived in the McCrae Homestead. He probably operated his business, which also involved a store, from one of the shops near the pedestrian lights.)
Max Searle, furniture maker, 9 Gordon St, Mornington.
Littleton Bros., General Store and Newsagent, Nepean Hwy, Dromana.
N.M.Bartley, chemist, Sorrento.
Lynwood Dairy, A.J.Parker and Son, 15 Vancouver St, Mornington. Possibly members of the pioneering Parker family of Parkdale. If I remember correctly, there was a big dairy in Lyndhurst that replaced many small dairies when pasteurisation became a requirement and Lynwood implies a connection.
Sage's Cottage has been in the news lately with the Menzies Foundation ending its connection as an economy measure. In 1954, the cottage, "Eurutta" was still occupied by Thomas Holden Sage 83, and his sister, Miss Ellen Amynta Sage 87, who had lived in the cottage for almost 80 years.Their uncle was surveyor, Robert Hoddle, and Benjamin Baxter, whose Carrup Carrup homestead was demolished in about 1951, was their grandfather. The article discusses the involvement in the infant settlement of Melbourne of Ben Baxter and his wife, and momentoes such as John Batman's rocking chair and Hoddle's survey chain. The photo of the pair is of poor quality.
Harry McComb,the 91 year old son of Frankston's founder, Thomas McComb, told how Thomas had been the mate on a windjammer that sailed to Tasmania in 1833 but deserted his ship and married Grace in 1844 before later being attracted to Victoria by the goldrush and settling at Frankston to work as a fisherman. Grace was the area's midwife and walked miles with her babe in arms to gather support for a government school.
John McComb of Carrum/Seaford, who was almost certainly a descendant of Thomas, was the last to farm Hindhope at Rosebud circa 1913 and it is a pity that McCombe St near Rosebud Plaza was given the wrong spelling in the subdivision plan.
Arthurs Seat-Superb View has an unclear photo of Dromana and surrounds and discusses the naming and history of the mountain and the panorama it provides.
Redman's Timber and Hardware, Sorrento. The Oriental Hotel, Main St, Sorrento, R.J.&G.Popple.
Mornington Sports and Electrical, 110 Main St, Mornington.
Molyneux, frocks and hats by Arlene, Nepean Hwy, Rosebud,just near the hotel.
Arthur Moore, builder,78 Dandenong Rd, Frankston, established 1933.
Smith's Hardware, J.& V.Nettleton, Nepean Hwy, Rosebud.
G.S.Frean &Ride, timber and hardware, Barkly St, Mornington.
Mornington Peninsula Agricultural Society Annual Show 9-1-1954.
Sorrento's 1803 settlement. Mr.H.J.Leggett of "The Oaks", a fine old home near the settlement site, had spent 25 years since buying his property preserving the graves and collecting relics such as a 1793 cognac bottle and portions of the wooden casks that collected fresh water beneath the beach sand.The first birth,divine service, marriage, business, and burials in the (future)state involved the THORN,KNOPWOOD,HARVEY,GARRETT BLINKWORTH and SKILLMORE surnames.
William Buckley,the wild white man. Photo of Mrs Dennis (Leggett's grand daughter) of "The Oaks" holding spears that had come from Buckley's tribe. Contains a claim that Buckley was sleeping when discovered by the aborigines near Queenscliff. Without realising it, he was sleeping on the grave of an honoured chief, which in combination with his white skin, made the aborigines revere him.
To be continued in 1954 MORNINGTON PENINSULA SOUVENIR (3.)
ROSEMAN, TAYLOR, DEACON, ARMSTRONG, MASLEN, RIDDELL, EVANS, PURCELL, SPENCER, WATKINS,STOKES, CAIRNS, WALKER,CHARLES, SUTHERLAND, JOHNSTON, ARCHER, WOOD, SEARLE, LITTLETON, BARTLEY, PARKER, SAGE, HODDLE, BAXTER, McCOMB,REDMAN,POPPLE,MOORE, NETTLETON, FREAN, RIDE, LEGGETT,THORN,KNOPWOOD, HARVEY, GARRETT, BLINKWORTH, SKILLMORE, BUCKLEY,
I couldn't remember the name of the timber business that operated on lot 1 of the Hindhope Estate on the west corner of Pt Nepean Rd and First Avenue at Rosebud. But I knew exactly where I could find out. The answer is on page 24 of the souvenir and although not painted green in 1954, the building looks much the same now as when H.and J.Hancock were running their timber and hardware store.
An Argus Souvenir of THE PENINSULA ARGUS FREE PHOTOS
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) Thursday 7 January 1954 p 17 Article Illustrated
As I scrolled through the pages, I realised that a summary of the contents, including advertisements, might be of value to family historians and local historians, who might not be directed to the souvenir on trove when they enter the surname being researched. The digitisation of "bronzed Peter Logan" which I pasted below,illustrates why trove will produce NO RESULTS when there could actually be many.Photos will not be mentioned unless they include named people or buildings.
ADV. Colortone Brick Ltd., Cranbourne Rd, Frankston. Peninsula Bus Lines Ltd.
ART. Happy memories of the bay with photos of camper surname signs at Rosebud, Diane Mahoney and Judith
Murray at Rosebud, and Maureen O'Sullivan and bronted Pater Logan at Mt Martha. (Maureen's companion was "bronzed Peter Logan"!)
ADV. Warner & Robertson, 66 Main St, Mornington (Real Estate). Rowley Bros, Rye and Flinders (Butchers.)
Penders Newsagency, Main St Mornington. F.Woodcock, watchmaker and jeweller, Nepean Hwy, Rye.
Patersons(electrical), 563-7 Bay St, Frankston, with pictures of fridge and washing machine models.
The Rye Pharmacy, S.S.Goble, between pier and post office, with Southern Peninsula Bookshop in the Pharmacy.
(Pauline Powell of the Rye Historical Society has written a detailed history of this shop and its proprietors.)
George E.Davies &Co. Real Estate, Nepean Hwy (next P.O.) Rosebud.
Rye Fruit Supply, S.& E.Gillies, Nepean Hwy, Rye. Wine at Ritchie's of Frankston.
ART. YACHTING. Need for safe anchorages-Frankston (Kananook)Creek the best but mouth silts up-clubs at Frankston (Fletcher, Steele, McConville), Mornington (Hall, Willey, Berry, Moorhead, Burriss), and Sorrento (Mrs E.Brabin).
ADV. E.H.Goss, builder, Sorrento and pictures of some of his buildings including Delgany and a Frankston church.
ART. Photos of Fletcher's yacht and scenes at Mornington pier with captions re fishing etc.
ADV. Sorrento Building Supply, Bowen Rd (no proprietors named.) Point Hardware and Joinery, 51 Main St, Mornington with picture of store (Prop. names possibly on sign.)
Powell motor body repairs, Phone Frankston 1709.
Hanton's Pharmacy of Frankston.
Bill Freeman's Saturday dances at The Phillip Ballroom, Pt Nepean Highway, Rosebud West.* ( This was on the site of the new service station on the west corner of Truemans Rd. It was later used as a roller skating rink. An excellent article about the ballroom and its proprietors appeared in the Rye Historical Society newsletter. It might have been the only ballroom on the peninsula at the time but Reg? Henderson operated a ballroom at some time in the Henderson Real Estate building on the west corner of Murray Anderson Rd at Rosebud.)
Norm Wood, shoe retailer, 104 Main St, Mornington. Mornington Ice and Cordial Works, 12 Garden St.
Harmsworth Stores (McCrae P.O., newsagency, drapery, hardware).
NU Peninsula Dry Cleaners, 111 Main St, Mornington.
Frankston Blind Co (manufacturers and retailers), 580 Bay St.
Come fishing (photo of Cynthia Bliss)with details and secrets about fishing. Old Ted McComb (photo), veteran fisherman who had rescued over 30 people on the bay, told of his rescues which involved Constable Stephenson, Gregory, Burton, Middleton, Grice.)
* RE "THE PHILLIP". The ballroom was not right on the Truemans Rd corner. The following, written by Dick Rowley who moved into 1839 Pt Nepean Rd, west of the ballroom,in 1955, was published in the July-September 2011 issue of the Rye Historical Society newsletter.
In 1946 John Ditchburn built a shop and residence for H.G.D.Maxwell at 1807 Point Nepean Road on the corner of Truemans Road, Tootgarook. The Maxwell family Gwynn and Blanche and children, Jeff, Merlin and Janice lived behind in the residence. The shop proved to be a success from the start with the locals, passing trade and campers. The shop was extended three times over the years. In 1951 the family moved and started a caravan park in Woyna Avenue. (Just across Truemans Rd.)
From 1951 to 1955 the Speakman family were the proprietors. Their daughter Jan worked in the shop and later married Chris Cairns. (No mention is made of who ran the store between 1955 and 1960.) The store was later run by Maurice and Shirley Joseph (1960-5)who had three children, and Merv and Shirley Drew (1865-73), whose children were Jeff, Janice, Annette, Jillian and Robyn. Later proprietors are detailed.
In 1960,a small shop was built between Max's Corner Store and the Phillip ballroom, and for two years it was operated as a cake shop by Mrs Garner and Mrs Foster.Keith and Gwen Found then ran it from 1963-5 as a fruit and vegetable shop, from there they moved to Rosebud where they opened Found's Furniture Shop.
Operating as a take-away food shop for the last ten years by Mark and Nina,it was demolished in 2010 revealing the Swallow's Biscuits and Medallion (lemonade)signs on the west wall of the original store.
I'm breaking this journal into parts to limit the number of surnames and prevent them disappearing from the surnames list. These are the surnames entered in the surname list:
MAHONEY,O'SULLIVAN,MURRAY,LOGAN,WARNER, ROBERTSON, ROWLEY,PENDER, WOODCOCK, PATERSON, GOBLE, POWELL, DAVIES, GILLIES, RITCHIE, FLETCHER, STEELE, McCONVILLE, HALL, WILLEY, BERRY, MOORHEAD, BURRISS, BRABIN, GOSS, HANTON,FREEMAN, HENDERSON,WOOD,HARMSWORTH, BLISS, McCOMB, STEPHENSON, GREGORY, BURTON,MIDDLETON,GRICE,
ROSEBUD AND GEELONG.
A connection between the two areas goes back to the first (brief) settlement of Victoria by the British Government near Sorrento in 1803. David Collins was in charge and used lack of fresh water as an excuse to relocate to Hobart where he would be less under the thumb of the Governor in Sydney.
One convict who was not relocated was William Buckley who had escaped and walked through Rosebud and around the Bay. The aborigines near Geelong thought he was a ghost, as their belief was that dead aborigines were white, and took him in as one of their own.
The next white men that Buckley saw, 32 years later, were lookouts posted at Indented Head near Portarlington by John Batman, including Jemmy Gumm (after whom Gumm's Corner at Keilor was named.) Some of the aborigines were plotting to murder them and Buckley's warning (in a language almost forgotten) saved their lives.
The next two connections involve the Cairns and Jennings families, original purchasers of Hindhope Estate lots.
In 1852, Boneo pioneer, Robert Cairns came out with his wife Mary (nee Drysdale) and her family. No prizes for guessing where the Drysdales settled. Some of Robert's relatives appear (from trove) to have also been involved on the west side of the bay. Two of Robert's relatives gained their nicknames because of their involvement at Rosebud, Back Road Bob of Fernvilla near Bayview Rd and Rosebud Ted.
George Jennings (Dod) was born at Drysdale in 1857 and playedfooty for Geelong in the 1870's. He married Hannah Wiffen in 1879 and they had seven children. Affected by the 1890's depression he lost his land as so many did and the family became nomads, farming at Flinders (where his son married Catherine Tuck), Cranbourne and Camperdown, before settling at Kariah in 1914. This 212 acre farm fronted Dundas St, Browns Rd and Weeroona St. After onion growing failed, the family changed to dairying, later expanding into Rosebud. The wooden statue on the east corner of Rosebud Pde (outside the former dairy) gives some extra detail mentioning the later dairy site at Jennings Court (Melway169 K7.)
Other connections between the two sides of the bay involve the wooden boat building Laccos, William Ferrier (hero of the La Bella tragedy at Warrnambool in 1905), both subjects of my journals, the east side fishermen dispatching their catches to Melbourne by rail from Queenscliff and several pioneer fishermen at Flinders coming from Queenscliff.
Joe Peters the black fiddler, a native of the Cape Verde Islands off the westernmost point of Africa also moved across the bay from Rosebud. Many natives of this Portugese territory were involved in lime burning on both sides of the bay.