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These are entries that I transcribed many years ago from the Eaglehawk Cemetery Register, before there was a website database, while looking for my Bassett ancestors. Martha and John who are marked with an * are my 2x great grandparents.
Several of the other Bassett’s also listed are also be related. There appear to be 3 distinct and unrelated Bassett families in the area in the 1860s to the early 1900s . More Bassett names can be found in the Bendigo area including the Eaglehawk cemetery at The Bendigo Cemeteries Trust at link text
Bassett Entries in the Eaglehawk Cemetery Register 1864-1969
Entries with the Surname Bassett
Forename, date of death, age at death, Religion, Occupation, Address, Grave Location
Ada Isabella, 8.11.1907, 19, , Child of widow, Pine St, 354/A2
Martha, 15.8.1897, 81, , Widow, Sailors Gully, 50/G
Maragret, 6.4.1906, 6 hours, , Child of farmer, Sebastian, 21/L
Richard, 5.1.1898, 67, , Miner, Californuua Gully, 12/D
Samuel H., 25.10.1901, 3, , Child of a miner, Pine St., 354/A2
Annie Robina, 27.2.1918, 8 mths, Meth, Child of a miner, Thorpe St., 339/12
Christopher, 15.3.1878, 13 mths, , Child of a miner, California Gully, 12/D
Elizabeth, 15.8.1921, 74, CE, Widow, Simpsons Rd, 66/A
Ethel, 22.4.1886, 3 mths, , Child of a miner, Sailors Gully, 275/K
Eva, 15.12.1887, 6 mths, , Child of a miner, Lightning Hill, 354/A2
Francis D., 263.12.1927, 85, CE, Mining Manager, Simpsons Rd, 38/A4
George, 4.7.1957, 74, CE, Farmer, Hamelin St White Hills, 109/A4
Henry R., 27.9.1929, 46, Meth, Miner, High St., 339/B2
James , 31.1.1866, 1yr 9mths, , Miners Child, Sailors Gully, 15/G
Male child, 13.8.1877, , , Child of miner, Eaglehawk, 275/K
John, 25.11.1868, 80, , Miner, Sailors Gully, 34/G
John, 29.1.1917, 40, , Miner, Hodgson St., 15/G
Lillian M, 18.1.1934, 46, CE, Wife of a farmer, Sebastian, 109/A4
Madeline L., 6.10.1908, 21, , Dressmaker, Kirkwood St., 240/A3
Margaret E., 31.8.1911, 52, , Wife of a chaff cutter , Sebastian, 31/l
Marjory, 25.11.1912, 6 days, , , Sebastian, 21/L
Martha, 22.3.1882, 89, , Widow, Sailors Gully, 34/G
Mary, 20.4.1867, 24, , Domestic servant, Sailors Gully, 50/G
Mavis, 10.10.1924, 14 Days, Meth, Child of Miner, Mt. Korong Rd, 18/K4
Phillip J.C., 5.5.1925, 49, Meth, Miner, Mt. Korong Rd, 15/K4
Robeina, 9.4.1930, 81, Bapt., Widow, Mt. Korong Rd., 12/D
Robina, 3.12.1908, 3 mths, , Child of a miner, California Gully, 12½/D
Samuel A., 30.6.1904, 39, , Miner, Pine St., 354/A2
Samuel, 27.5.1927, 71, CE, Farmer, Campbell St.,, 13/A4
Susan C., 23.7.1943, 78, CE, Widow, Echuca, 5/5A
Thomas, 4.1.1874, 15 mts, , Child of Miner, California Gully, 12/D
William, 31.12.1865, 6mths, , “ “, Sailors Gully, 15/G
William, 21.1.1869, 52 yrs, , Engine Driver, Sailors Gully, 50/G
William, 12.1.1880, 1, , Child of miner, California Gully, 12/D
When researching the children of Jacka & Elizabeth Gilbert I found 3 marriages for Abraham. When trying to sort out which one belonged to my couple resorted to comparing signatures to help identify the different Abrahams. It’s been a long time since I have worked with signatures and I had overlooked how valuable a tool it can be when trying to nut out a mystery. After a fair amount of research with assistance from others I came to the conclusion that each different Abraham couple represented a different cluster of Jacka descendants, which may or may not be related further back in time. Unfortunately none of them conveniently come from Sithney, where my Abraham Jacka had originally been baptised. (I have bolded the names of the signatures that I used for comparison purposes.)
Abraham JACKA(St Buryan) & Eliz. GEORGE(St Buryan) married 1795 St Buryan Witness - William MATHEWS
Elizabeth JACKA (St Buryan) & William MATHEWS (St Buryan) married 1800 St Buryan witness – Mary JACKA
Mary Jacka(St Buryan) and William Maddern(Paul)married 1800 St Buryan, witness Abraham Jacka
These 3 Jackas appear to be related they are all from St Buryan, and the signatures of those highlighted appear to match.
Abraham JACKA(St Erth) & Ann MILLDRUM(St Hilary) married 1796 St Hilary. Unfortunately I have not been able to find this Abraham signing a second document to help me confirm his signature
I have looked up the following sibling marriages and compared the signatures from
1. Thomas Jacka(Sithney) & Anna Moyses married 1790 Wendron (Abraham’s older brother who signed as groom
2. William Jacka(Germoe) & Margaret Wood(Germoe)(Abraham’s second eldest brother), witness - Thomas Jacka also signed but as witness
3. Elizabeth Jacka(St Erth) & William Jelbart(St Levan)(Abraham’s oldest sister) married 1800 St Erth witness Thomas Jacka(Thomas’ signature does appear to be slightly different to those of the two previous marriages but still looks the same even excluding the missing jnr suffix– I have not worried about the suffix as I am assuming it was no longer used after his father died.)
All of the above Thomas Jackas’ appear to be the same person, unfortunately Abraham does not appear in any of them.
4. Abraham JACKA marries Ann the witness for his marriage is John JACKA, see next marriage listed for more detail
5. John Jacka(St Erth) & Mary Limbrick( Helston) married 1800 in Helston (possibly Abraham’s second eldest brother) witness - Peter HAMMILL
(John Hammill may have been Mary’s first husband as there marriage on the OPC site for a John Hammill and a Mary on 28-Mar 1793 with a Peter Hammill as a witness however when I compared the two Peter Hammill signatures in the Parish Registers the didn’t look very similar but this could be for a number reasons including the type of nib on the pen. )
6. Joseph Jacka (St Erth) & Charity BERRYMAN (St Erth) married 1898 St Erth (Abraham’s younger brother) there doesn't appear to any Jacka relatives listed, there is an Edwd Rawlings but he seems to have signed a lot of marriages so may be someone tied with the church rather than the families, including his younger brother James Jacka.
7. James Jacka(St Erth) and Eleanor Hammel(St Erth) married 1800 St Srth (Abraham’s youngest brother)as well as Edwd Rawlings signing as witness Peter HAMMILL.
8. Anne Jacka – I haven’t yet been able to establish if she married
Abraham’s father’s will in 1796 – as a tool to establish relationships
In Thomas JACKA’S (senior) will that there was no mention of a daughter either married or single with a forename Mary, see below.
Transcription of the probate for Thomas Jacka father of Abraham Jacka
(Abstract of Will of Thomas Jacka, Yeoman of St Erth, Cornwall. Proved in the Court of Exeter. Reference:IR 26/339/13)
Date of the Probate or Admin & Sum Sworn - 1796, May 4th, Under £300
Name and description of Testator or Intestate - Thomas Jacka of St Erth, Yeoman
Names & places of Abode of the Executors or Administrators - John, Joseph & James Jacka, Residuary Legatees, sons of John Jacka, The remainder of his goods
Auxiliary Legatees -
- Abraham Jacka, son, One hundred Pounds
- Elizabeth Jacka, Daughter, Fifty Pounds
- Ann Jacka, Daughter, Fifty Pounds
The Will helps to establish the following relationships:-
son - Abraham
daughters - Elizth, Ann Jacka
3 sons - John, Joseph, James
witnesses - Thomas Ellis, James Otey
This further supports the notion that Abraham JACKA from couple 1 who had a sister named Mary is probably not a descendant of Thomas JACKA & Elizabeth GILBERT.
It would appear that according to the OPC site they had the following children:-
Child 1 – 1800 in St. Hilary, Anne JACKA to Abraham & Mary Anne
Child 2 – 1805 in St. Hilary, Mary Elizabeth JACKA to Abraham & Mary Anne
Child 3 – 1807 in St. Hilary, Mary Elizabeth JACKA to Abraham & Anne
There was an Abraham Jacka & Ann Jacka who both resided in Relubbas who were buried in St Hilary according to the OPC site and were buried as follows:-
• Abraham buried 26 Jan 1825 in St Hilary aged 55 (this would give him a d.o.b. of about 1770, which would fit well with the 1769 baptism at Sithney for Abraham son of Thomas & Elizabeth.)
• Ann buried 19 Aug 1820 in St Hilary aged 49
Abraham Jacka(Paul) & Margery Blewett(St Levan) married 1810 St Levan
It would appear that Margery Jacka, wife of Abraham jnr, was buried at St Levan, 17 July 1812 [the implication of the 'jnr' is that there was also an Abraham Jacka senior in the same area. He isn't necessarily the father of Abraham junior, though.]
As this Abraham Jacka was from Paul, according to the marriage entry, perhaps he was the Mousehole man whose burial I mentioned above. Another older Abraham Jacka, also from Mousehole, was buried at St Buryan in 1820 (see the OPC site).
Note I was not able to find any offspring and therefore descendants for this couple
Couple two has the Abraham Jacka that is related to my Thomas Jacka & Elizabeth Jacka.
Following up on the signatures has also led me other areas for further investigation including a Mary Lambicks first husband and the need to try and find out what happened to Ann Jacka and whether she got married.
On his son Reuben's death certificate his fathers was given as as William. However although WHEELER is a common enough Gloucestershire name, there is a Reuben WHEELER bapt Bisley Gloucestershire on the 12 Nov 18 02, therefore I feel that Thomas is likely to be correct name)
Thomas married Hannah Eagles on the 11 Nov 1800, in Bisley Parish, Glouchestershire, England, UK
Children of Thomas Wheeler and Hannah Eagles
At present I have only identified one child, my direct ancestor, there are possibly more yet to be found
Reuben Wheeler b. 1801, Gloucestershire, England, UK, c.14 Nov 1802, Bisley Parish, Glouchestershire, England died 19 Jul 1873, Napolean Street, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia, buried 28 Jul 1873, Boroondara Cemetery, Kew, Victoria, Australia
Reuben married Elizabeth Thomasb. 1802, Gloucestershire, England, UK, c. 28 Jul 1804, Pitchcombe Gloucestershire,England on the 27 Jan 1833, Pitchcombe, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth died 9 Jul 1871, Napolean Street, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia, and was burried.on the 12 Jul 1871 in Boroondara Cemetery, Kew, Victoria, Australia, par. Edward Thomas and Sarah Gardiner
Grand children of Thomas Wheeler and Hannah Eagles via Reuben
1. Selina Wheeler b. Abt 1834, Stroud, Gloucestershire, England, UK, d. 24 Jul 1899, Yarra River, Kew, , Victoria, Australia, bur. 28 Jul 1899, Boroondara Cemetery, Kew, Victoria, Australia
Selina married Thomas Crump on 30 Dec 1850 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
2-George Wheeler b. Abt 1836, Gloucestershire, England, UK, d. 16 Nov 1865, 9 Napoleon Street, East Collingwood, Victoria, Australia
George married Mary Humphrey Spear in 1853 in Victoria Australia.
Mary Ferrett is my fourth great-grandmother she married Philip Upton Ebbott in 1804, in Trenglos, Cornwall thus becoming Mary Ebbott.
As explained in a previous post entitled Two Mary Ebbotts help need to disentangle them I have been trying to distinguish which of the two Mary Ebbotts that appeared in the 1841 was my ancestor.
To recap- In the 1841 Census in Cornwall, there are two Mary Ebbott’s born about 1786 in the county of Cornwall. When searching on the web, I noticed that these two Mary’s are often interchangeable and both often assigned to my ancestor Mary Ebbott (nee Ferrett).
This is further complicated by both of these Mary’s staying with families who are directly related to my ancestors.
In household 1 Philip Ebbott is the eldest male in the household. Mary in this household would be Philip’s wife, and therefore my ancestor. This is corroborated by the 1851 census, where both are listed as husband and wife.
In household 2 John Bone is the eldest male of the household. John is the father-in-law of Sarah Ebbott, Mary Ebbott (nee Ferrett)’s daughter. It is possible that Mary could have been visiting Sarah’s in-laws on the night of the census. John Bone’s wife Grace died two days before the census and this could have been the reason for the visit. I can find no further record of this second Mary Ebbott in the 1851 census or death between 1841 and 1851.
Both Mary Ebbott’s in the 1841 census are the same person who was registered in two places. She may have been staying the night of the census with relatives (John Bone), and was included on the household census. And at the same time Mary’s husband, Philip Ebbott, not following instructions to the letter, may have included her in the household as this is where she lived.
If the head of household was literate then they would fill out the census for the family. This could mean that husband, Philip Ebbott filled the census out as soon as he got it and/or it sat around waiting to be picked up, in the meantime his wife may have gone visiting to John Bone's either for the day or overnight and as a consequence was recorded as being at the Bone's residence as well. The residences being only 3 miles apart this would be have been quite plausible.
I would be interested in hearing other researchers thoughts on my conclusion either in agreement or disagreement, I would be particularly interested in anyone who can claim or recognise the Mary Ebbott of household 2 thus disproving my theory of a double up.
The background to my conclusion
The first step was to trace and confirm the identity of Mary in household 1, beyond the 1841 census. In the 1851 she is confirmed as the wife of Philip. Mary’s husband Philip passes away a two months after the 1851 census, and soon after in 1854 Mary with her youngest son William migrate from Tresmere to Palumyra, Wisconsin, USA via Quebec.
The second step then was to establish or eliminate the Mary in household 2. I looked for a death of a Mary Ebbott between 1841 and 1852 to see if she had died between the censuses. I found only one Mary Ebbott dying during this period. The death registration was for a Mary Jane EBBOTT. This Mary Jane Ebbott was the granddaughter of Mary Ebbott (nee Ferrett) and only 3 years of age. The result being the Mary Ebbott in household 2 remains a mystery.
There are several Jacka researchers that surmise that there are different clusters of Jacka’s in England.
And that these clusters can be identified by using naming patterns and geography as defining principles to identify various Jacka family groups.
Below is an outline of naming pattern "theory"
Naming Patterns 1700-1875
The first Son was named after the father’s father
Second son named after mother’s father
Third son named after the father
Fourth son named after father’s eldest brother
First daughter named after mother’s mother
Second daughter named after father’s mother
Third daughter named after mother
Fourth daughter named after mother’s eldest sister
Exceptions to the pattern occur when the naming system produced a duplication of names.
In that case, the name was taken from the next on the list.
Another break in the pattern could be caused by a death.
If a child died in infancy, then the parents would name the subsequent new born the same name.
(Taken from: Tracing your Origins. By Angus Baxter.)
Using the International Genealogical Index (IGI) a fellow researcher has labourously extract hundreds of people with Jacka surnames (although not all) he has managed to link together various Jacka families based on the patterns occurring in their offspring’s names.
On analysis they can be divided up into different groups according to particular naming patterns and occupation types.
The five groups so far identified are:-
Land's End (Cornish name: Pedn a Wollaz) is a headland on the Penwith peninsula, located near Penzance, Cornwall, UK.
Common thread names
Working the land either as labourers or farmers
Common thread names
And further down the descendancy the name Peter and is introduced and the name Humphrey is dropped
Redruth (group 1)
Common thread names
Miners, blacksmiths, whitesmiths, stone masons
Redruth (group 2)
Originally from Perranzubloe before moving to Redruth
Common thread names
Common occupation - not yet identified
Not yet identified as a single or multiple groups with distinguishing features
Of course this is only a theory a lot more work has yet to be done such as consulitng original records etc, but perhaps eventually if we can gather enough infomration and go back far enough they will link together?
From all of this information can you identiy which group your Jacka's might belong to?
I have just discovered the digital images of parish registers on line "England, Cornwall Parish Registers, 1538-2010 on line."
In paritcular I was interested in the Cornish Parish listed by Name of the Town (with parish) Parish Registers
It was amazing to look at copies of the Tremaine register on line and turn the page and blow up the image if I couldn't make out the writing - all in the comfort of my own home. If you haven't discovered this resourse yet you should give it a go - I was able to push my Hambly/Baker back one more generation!
According to the British National Archives John Ebbott owned land in North Tregeare, Tresmeer, the parish in which he was born. He did not sell the land before he died in 1825, his widowed wife Wilmott is recorded as selling the “North Tregeare” property in 1827 along with her grandson Philip, John Ebbott's only male heir.
We also know from John Ebbott's tombstone, in the Tremaine Churchyard, that he must have lived in Westcott for some considerable time as he was described as “John Ebbott of Westcott in this Parish”
Originally I thought that the two properties of Westcott and North Tregeare were the same, however they are not one and the same, The two properties are about 2 miles away from each other1 “North Tregeare” is in Tresmeer and Westcot is in Tremaine, Cornwall.
John Ebbott and Wilmot Baker married on 26 Jun 1775, in Tremaine, Cornwall2
John & Wilmot had only two children:-
1.Philip Upton Ebbott christened 7 Feb 1776, Tresmeer, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom
2.Elizabeth Ebbott christened 30 Jan 1778, Tresmeer, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom.
A second christening was also recorded for Elizabeth Ebbott on the same day in Egloskerry (C022532) The two churches are less than three miles apart so the parents could have had Elizabeth baptised twice, however it's more likely that the same clergyman covered the two parishes [common even then] and then when recording the days proceedings inadvertantly had the single event written in both registers.
Eighteen years later John Baker dies in 1793 leaving his one of his several estates to his daughter Wilmot Ebbott (wife of John Ebbott).
The question now is how do I go about finding more about the Ebbott/Baker connection discovered via John Bakers Will with the Westcott estate.
Is anyone else researching these families or properties?
Edwin Knight JACKA
Birth: 18 Jan 1871 - Charcol Gully, Chewton, Victoria, Australia
Death: 4 Jun 1929 - Hamilton, New South Wales, Australia
Burial: 6 Jun 1929 - Sandgate Cemetery, Newcastle, New South Wales,Australia
Events in Edwin's life
12 Feb 1894 he worked as a Storekeeper in Chewton, Victoria, Australia.
12 Feb 1894 Sold Property: Allotment 43 Section F Chewton to his father. The property was sold for sixty pounds.
1896 he had a residence in Fitzroy North,Victoria, Australia.
6 Apr 1896 He had a residence in Collingwood, Victoria, Australia but he came back to Chewton to marry Elizabeth EBBOTT
from 1898 to 1902 he lived at 670 Sydney Road, Brunswick, Victoria, Australia
1899 He was employed as a grocer according to the electoral rolls,at Moran & Cato
1905 He had a residence in 1905 in 7 Brunswick Street, Fitzroy,Victoria, Australia.
24 Jul 1907 he lived at 465 Brunswick Street, Fitzroy North, Victoria, Australia.
20 Sep 1929 The following items appeared in The Argus for Edwin
NOTICE Is hereby given, that alter the expiration of fourteen days from the publication hereof APPLICATION will bo made to the Supreme Court of the State of Victoria, in its Probate jurisdiction, by Elizabeth Jacka, of Hamilton, ¡n the State of New South Wales, widow, to whom probate of the will (dated the twenty first day of August, one thousand nine hundred and six), of EDWIN KNIGHT JACKA, formerly of 465 Brunsvvick street. North Fitzroy, in the State of Victorla, grocer, but late of Hamilton aforesaid, commercial traveller, deceased, was granted by the Supreme Court of the State of New South Wales, in its Probate jurisdiction, on the thirtieth day of July, one thousand nine hundred and twenty-nine, that the SEAL of the Supreme Court of the State of Victoria may be AFFIXED to the said probate. Dated the nineteenth day of September, 1929. DARVALL & HORSFALL, 243 Collins street,
Elizabeth CRUMP, Thomas CRUMP, William STARTUP thought to have lived in East Fairly, Coxheath near Maidstone, Kent, England
Thomas CRUMP was was born on 22nd November 1813 in Goudhurst and baptised a month later 2nd January 1814 in the Church of England, Goudhurst, Kent; his father was not identified on the entry.
I am trying to ascertain what happened to Elizabeth Ann Crump after the birth of her son.
As I see it there are two possibilities:-
Possibility one:- she could have remained single
I have only been able to find one entry for an Elizabeth CRUMP aged 52 born in Kent who doesn't appear to be married. She was living in Pucken Lane in the parish of Chislehurst, Kent She was living with Ann Smith aged 75 of independent means, Sarah and Ann Moustead(?) aged 8 & 6
Possibility two:- she took a partner
According to Thomas' 1841 immigration papers he was a native of “Parish of Goudhurst – Kent. Parents living at East Failry, Coxheath near Maidstone – Fathers Name Wm Startup Mothers name Elizabeth”Unfortunately Thomas left England before the 1841 census, so I looked for an 1841 census entry for a William Startup living with an Elizabeth possibly his wife. I found the following:-
Address Coxheath, East Farleigh, Maidstone, Kent, England
William Startup, age 48, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Startup, age 51
William Startup 20, Ag Lab
John Startup 17, Ag Lab
James Startup 12, Ag Lab
Helenor Startup 10
Living next door to:-
Robert Startup, aged 24, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Startup, aged 27
Roseanna Startup, aged 1
Robert Waterman, aged 70, gardener
Mary Waterman, aged 55
I also found a marriage for a William Startup and an Ann Crump on the 10 Feb 1816 in Tudeley, Kent, England (IGI M135203) which could be them.
The question is where to from here, I am hoping to make connection with descendants of William STARTUP so I can find out out whether Elizabeth STARTUP was originally a CRUMP. Or perhaps some else has come across Thomas' mother living in Maidstone.
thanks for the feedback to my original journal - Who married Abraham Jacka?, I'm responding in a new journal as my reply to your feedback is quite detailed and without formatting would be quite difficult to read.
I did look for all the children including a birth/christening after 1769 discovered that Thomas Jacka and Elizabeth Gilbert had the following children
1. Thomas JACKA the Younger. chr: 29 Dec 1760, St. Buryan, Cornwall married Anna Moyse in Wendron, Cornwall 1790, and died 13 Nov 1833, Lannor, Cornwall
2. William JACKA chr: 2 Jan 1763, St Sithney, Cornwall, married Margaret Wood in Germoe 1790, and died: 1820 Germoe, Cornwall
3. John JACKA chr: 7 Oct 1764, St Sithney, Cornwall, married Mary Lambrick in Helston 1800, and died 1854
4. Elizabeth JACKKA chr: 30 Nov 1766, St Sithney, Cornwall, married William Jelbart in St Erth and died: 11 Apr 1849, St. Buryan, Cornwall
5. Abraham JACKA chr: 4 May 1769, St Sithney, Cornwall, died: After 1796 (married ??)
6. Joseph JACKA chr: 29 Sep 1771, St Sithney, Cornwall, married Charity Berryman in St Erth, and died Jun 1852
7. James JACCKA chr: 12 Oct 1774, St Sithney, Cornwall, married Eleanor Hammill in St Erth 1800 and died ???
8. Ann JACKA 26 Oct 1777, St Sithney, Cornwall, married ??? (married ??) died: After 1796
Unfortunately as you can see there are still many gaps in my knowledge.
How did I arrive at marriage dates of 1795/96?
I did a search for all the marriages on the OPC site http://cornwall-opc.org/ and got the following results:-
1718 Buryan, St. Abraham JACKA Grace RICHARDS
1770 Buryan, St. Abraham JACKA Alice SHETFAR(Shutford?)
1795 Buryan, St. Abraham JACKA Eliz. GEORGE
1796 Hilary, St. Abraham JACKA Ann MILLDRUM
1796 Hilary, St. Abraham JACKA Ann MILLDRUM
1827 Paul Abraham JACKA Phillis PENTREATH
I choose the Eliza George in St. Buryan & the Anne Mildrum in St. Hillary marriages as I thought these the most likely of all those listed. However after looking at the original reigsers the marriage on
•19 Dec 1795 in St Buryan have both parities being of the St Buryan parish
•20 Nov. 1796, St Hilary has Abraham coming from St Erth and Ann coming from St Hiliary
I was unable to find a marriage between for Abraham Jacka & Margery Blewett in Paul but I did find one for them in St Leven
•21 Jul 1810 by Licence, Abraham Jacka of Paul & Margery Blewett
Unfortunately none of them conveniently come from Sithney. I think I need to do a little more research and see if I can track down all of the parents for all three Abrahams to see if I can eliminate some of them.
Thank once again Pat, it helps to have another pair of eyes look at everything.