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After much searching I have now located Thomas Crump's first wife.
Thomas Crump died on the 13 Apr 1874 in Hawthorn, Victoria, Australia. On his death certificate it was stated that he was born in Kent, England and had been living for 32 year in Victoria .
Based on time lived in Victoria he would have arrived around 1841/2. His death certificate also stated that he had been married twice although the name of his first wife was not listed, as particulars were not known at the time.
The only Thomas Crump arriving in Australia in 1841/2 was on the Marquis of Hasting on 4 February 1841, listed as being married and was accompanied by his wife Rebecca Crump. On Rebeccas record it was listed that she was formerly known as Underhill presumably her maiden name as her fathers surname is also given as an Underhill.
According to the Maidstone church records there was a marriage between a Thomas Crump and a Rebecca Underhill on the 15 Nov 1834 .
Seven years later that couple were migrating to Australia, seven years after arriving Rebecca died on 28 Aug 1848 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. There appears to have been no English or Australian born children to the couple, according to Rebecca's migration papers her state of bodily health was rather delicate. Both were Wesleyan Methodists.
Two years later Thomas married Selina Wheeler on 30 Dec 1850 in the Weslyan Church, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Thomas CRUMP was born on 22nd November 1813 and baptised a month later on 2nd January 1814 Church of England, Goudhurst, Kent. He was the illegitimate son of Elizabeth Crump late a servant of Mr W. Mynn, the father was listed as William Mynn Jnr a farmer, both were from the parish.
William Mynn Jnr did not marry Elizabeth, when Thomas was christened Elizabeth was referred to as the late a servant of W. Mynn which indicates that she was no longer working for the family. It appears that William married Susannah Heath on 17 Dec 1825 Kensington and Chelsea, Middlesex, England
A few years after Thomas christening Ann Crump marries William Startup, according to the IGI William Startup and an Ann Crump on the 10 Feb 1816 in Tudeley, Kent, England.
Now the hunt is on to find out more about Thomas' mother and father. Any one have any helpful hints?
Does anyone recognize the family of Mary Nance?
Parents Thomas Nance & Rebecca
Birth: 1805 - Perranzubla, Cornwall, England, UK
Death: 15 Aug 1878 - Chewton, , Victoria, Australia
Burial: 18 Aug 1878 - Chewton Cemetery, Chewton, , Victoria, Australia
1. She appeared on the census in 1841 in Wheal Hope, Perranzabuloe,England, United Kingdom.
1. Hezekiah Bennets, aged 20
2. Mary Bennets, aged 25
3. Mary Bennets, aged 1
2. She appeared on the census in 1851.
1. Hezekiah Bennets, aged 33, miner
2. Mary Bennets, aged 39
3. Nancey Bennets, aged 8
4. Rebecka Bennets, aged 2
3. Immigrated: 22 Jan 1856. the ship Australia leaving from Plymouth October 14th.arriving in South Australia on the 22 Jan 1856. (The South Australian Government Gazette 1866 p. 91 )
Listed under families
Bennets / Bennetts
Hezekiah 36 Miner 114/1 Perranzabuloe, Cornwall with family
Mary (George) 45
Listed under Single Women
Bennets / Bennetts Nancy 14 Servant 114/1 Perranzabuloe, Cornwall with parents
1. First marriage - Henry George 19 Dec 1836 - Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
2. Second marriage Hezekiah Bennetts (1818 - 26 Jan 1900) 1839 - Perranzabube, Cornwall, England, UK
1. Mary Bennetts (Cal 1840- )
2. Unknown Bennetts ( - )
3. Mary Jane Bennetts (Est 1842-Bef 1878)
4. Nancy Bennetts (Est 1842-Bef 1900)
5. Rebecka Bennetts (Est 1849-1912)
6. Mary Anne Bennetts (Est 1852-Bef 1878)
Sarah Bone died as Sarah Ebbott the widow of John Ebbott on the 4th January 1898 in Glenferrie Road, Malvern, Victoria Australia
According to her death certificate she was 84 years old at the time of her death, she had been born in Cornwall England, and her fathers name was John Bone a Farmer. Sarah had come to Victoria, Australia 46 years before.
Based on her death certificate her estimated birthdate was around 1813.
In 1815 there were three children that were baptized on the 30 July 1815.
30-Jul 1815 Botus Fleming Jane BONE
30-Jul 1815 Botus Fleming Sally BONE
30-Jul 1815 Botus Fleming Harriet BONE
[Note Sally is a common name that is often interchangeable with Sarah]
It appears that Sarah, Jane & Harriet were all baptized on the same day.
Sarah married John Ebbott on the 2 Jul 1839 in the Parish church of Egloskerry, in Cornwall, England.
Two years later in 1841 John Ebbott and Sarah were living in Badharick, Egloskerry, Cornwall, England, on a farm with their new born son.
1. John Ebbott aged 30 a Farmer
2. Sarah Ebbott aged 25
3. John Ebbott aged 1
4. Peter Ham, aged 25, Agricultural Labourer
5. Ann Caddy, aged 15, Female Servant
6. John Martin, aged 10, Agricultural Labourer
7. Celia Pearse, aged 12, Female Servant
Her sister Jane and brother Julius who had both been witnesses on Sarahs marriage certificate were still living back at home in 1841 with their father in Treludick, Egloskerry, Cornwall, England, UK
1. John Bone aged 60 a Farmer
2. William Bone aged 20
3. Julius Bone aged 20
4. Jane Bone aged 25
and among others
4. Mary Ebbott aged 55
Sarahs mother appears to have died, and no longer living with her husband John.
In 1851 one of Sarahs sons Philip was living with her brother Julius, his Uncle Julius who is living next door to his other uncle William at Polhilsa
1. William Bone, Head, single, 34, Jointly Farms 70 Acres 4 Men, St Stephens Cornwall
2. Julius Bone, Head, single, 33,,Jointly Farms 70 Acres 4 Men, St Stephens Cornwall,,
3. Philip Ebbott, Nephew, 8, Linkinhorne Cornwall,,
4. Mary Ann Lemon, Servant, single, 23, House Keeper, Callington Cornwall
According to the British National Archives John Ebbott owned land in North Tregeare, Tresmeer, the parish in which he was born. He did not sell the land before he died in 1825, his widowed wife Wilmott is recorded as selling the “North Tregeare” property in 1827 along with her grandson Philip, John Ebbott's only male heir.
We also know from John Ebbott's tombstone, in the Tremaine Churchyard, that he must have lived in Westcott for some considerable time as he was described as “John Ebbott of Westcott in this Parish”
Originally I thought that the two properties of Westcott and North Tregeare were the same, however they are not one and the same, The two properties are about 2 miles away from each other1 “North Tregeare” is in Tresmeer and Westcot is in Tremaine, Cornwall.
John Ebbott and Wilmot Baker married on 26 Jun 1775, in Tremaine, Cornwall2
John & Wilmot had only two children:-
1.Philip Upton Ebbott christened 7 Feb 1776, Tresmeer, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom
2.Elizabeth Ebbott christened 30 Jan 1778, Tresmeer, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom.
A second christening was also recorded for Elizabeth Ebbott on the same day in Egloskerry (C022532) The two churches are less than three miles apart so the parents could have had Elizabeth baptised twice, however it's more likely that the same clergyman covered the two parishes [common even then] and then when recording the days proceedings inadvertantly had the single event written in both registers.
Eighteen years later John Baker dies in 1793 leaving his one of his several estates to his daughter Wilmot Ebbott (wife of John Ebbott).
The question now is how do I go about finding more about the Ebbott/Baker connection discovered via John Bakers Will with the Westcott estate.
Is anyone else researching these families or properties?
Elizabeth CRUMP, Thomas CRUMP, William STARTUP thought to have lived in East Fairly, Coxheath near Maidstone, Kent, England
Thomas CRUMP was was born on 22nd November 1813 in Goudhurst and baptised a month later 2nd January 1814 in the Church of England, Goudhurst, Kent; his father was not identified on the entry.
I am trying to ascertain what happened to Elizabeth Ann Crump after the birth of her son.
As I see it there are two possibilities:-
Possibility one:- she could have remained single
I have only been able to find one entry for an Elizabeth CRUMP aged 52 born in Kent who doesn't appear to be married. She was living in Pucken Lane in the parish of Chislehurst, Kent She was living with Ann Smith aged 75 of independent means, Sarah and Ann Moustead(?) aged 8 & 6
Possibility two:- she took a partner
According to Thomas' 1841 immigration papers he was a native of Parish of Goudhurst Kent. Parents living at East Failry, Coxheath near Maidstone Fathers Name Wm Startup Mothers name ElizabethUnfortunately Thomas left England before the 1841 census, so I looked for an 1841 census entry for a William Startup living with an Elizabeth possibly his wife. I found the following:-
Address Coxheath, East Farleigh, Maidstone, Kent, England
William Startup, age 48, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Startup, age 51
William Startup 20, Ag Lab
John Startup 17, Ag Lab
James Startup 12, Ag Lab
Helenor Startup 10
Living next door to:-
Robert Startup, aged 24, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Startup, aged 27
Roseanna Startup, aged 1
Robert Waterman, aged 70, gardener
Mary Waterman, aged 55
I also found a marriage for a William Startup and an Ann Crump on the 10 Feb 1816 in Tudeley, Kent, England (IGI M135203) which could be them.
The question is where to from here, I am hoping to make connection with descendants of William STARTUP so I can find out out whether Elizabeth STARTUP was originally a CRUMP. Or perhaps some else has come across Thomas' mother living in Maidstone.
I am looking for the christening of John BASSETT born circa 1814 location unknown although possibly anywhere between Madron where his parents were married in 1812 and St Hilary, Cornwall where he was buried on 17-May 1815, at the age of 1,where his family appear to have settled for a few years before moving on to Toon Tanner a tenement in Breage
His parents were John BASSETT & Martha CARBIS who were married on 15 Mar 1812 in Paul, Cornwall. Eight months after on 13th of December, 1812 his grandfather, William CARBIS was accused of stealing sheep, he absconded almost immediately with his fellow felons, two of John's uncles William CARBIS (Jnr) and Francis BASSETT . It appears that sometime shortly after John's parents John and Martha may have also have moved out of the area to St Hillary.
We think that John was their first born, born in 1814, although we have not yet been able to locate where he was christened we do know that he died in 1815 at the age of one and was buried in St Hillary.
It would appear soon after that another son was born in 1816, their second child William Bassett, who was christened in St Hilary, at the time the family were living in a tenement called Rosedown.
I am hoping that if I can find John BASSETT 'S christening in 1814 it might shed some light on the families whereabouts at the time of his birth.
I am hoping that someone might have come accross him and his family while doing other research.
David Bogie was the father of Hannah Bogie.
David Bogie and Isable Fyffe
The couple married on 30 Jul 1813 in Dysart, Fife, Scotland,according to the Dysart Old Parish RegisterS both groom and bride were identified as being of this Parish, Dysart. Unfortunately no parents were given for either party.
So now I'm trying to work out who David Bogie's parents were.
The only census that David Bogie appears in the 1841 where he is 50 (his wife was a widow in the 1851 census) which means that he could have been born between 1787 and 1791 as the ages were rounded down to the nearest 5. So he could have been anywhere between 50 and 54 years old and according to the entry in the Church marriage register he came from the parish of Dysart so I assume that he was most likely born there.
Doing a search on the IGI there are three David Bogie's that meet these parameters:-
1.Birth: 25 MAR 1790 , Christening: 28 MAR 1790 St. Andrews And St. Leonards, Fife, Scotland Parents:- DAVID BOGIE & ELIZABETH MCKAY
2. Birth: 15 JAN 1791, Christening: 16 JAN 1791 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland. Parents: JAMES BOGIE & AGNES ANDERSON
3.Birth: 03 MAY 1792 Leslie, Fife, Scotland Parents: ROBERT BOGGIE & JANNET CURRER
DAvid's occupation was a msaon according to the 1841 census.
Does anyone recongnise these couples and know their families maybe through a process of elimination I can work out who my David Bogies parents are.
Interested to talk to anyone with connections to these families.
Looking for more information on Hannah and her family
Born: 5 August 1828 - Gallatown, Kirkcaldy, , Fife, Scotland(C119513 1820 - 1843 1040195)
Christened: 24 Aug 1828, Dysart, Fife, Scotland, United Kingdom (C119513 1820 - 1843 1040195)
Daughter of: David & Isabella Bogie (nee Fyffe) Hannah's and parents and her mother's maiden name was found on her death certificate 1900 Milligan, Anna Roper (Statutory Deaths 685/060040)
Died: 24 Feb 1900, at 9 Mentone Ave, Portobello, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland, United Kingdom (Statutory Deaths 685/060040)
Hannah BOGIE is the daughter of david BOGIE and Isabel FYFFE
David BOGIE, son of Robert BOGIE and Jannet CURRER, was born on 3 May 1792 in Leslie, Fife, Scotland, United Kingdom.(IGI -M119512 1735 - 1819 1040195)
Isabel FYFFE was born about 1791 in Fife, Scotland, United Kingdom.
The couple married 30 Jul 1813 in Dysart, Fife, Scotland, United Kingdom
My Lovell family were from Acton, Middlesex, and not from Compton Martin, Somerset, England as I had originally thought
When I began my research I had the parents of my Francis Lovell - William Lovell and Mary.
With nothing much more to go on I did a search in the census' and found a William and Mary Lovell in Compton Martin, Somerset, England. I decided to follow through on this line and in doing so found a whole clan of Lovell's living in the area but as I was to find out soon enough they weren't mine. Francis Lovell my direct connection to the family was nowhere to be found and far more elusive. Later I discovered that this was because I had unfortunately chosen the wrong family. The William and Mary I was looking for can be found in the Middlesex area of England(See below).
So now I am posting this new journal as a response to my own previous jounral about the Lovell family in Crompton Martin as way of correction. I'm still Interested in talking to anyone who might be related or want to share information.
William Lovell born about 1806 in Chalfont, Buckinghamshire, England and died: Jan Q 1870 - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England, United Kingdom
East Acton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
( HO107; Piece 687; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Acton; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 22; Page: 11)
1. William Lovell, 40, Carman
2. Mary Lovell, 40
3. Ann Lovell, 15
4. William Lovell, 15
5. Francis Lovell, 13
6. Mary Lovell, 7
7. Sarah Borall 70
( HO107; Piece: 1699; Folio: 637; Page: 19)
East Acton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
1. William Lovell, head, married, 56, A??ing Laundry
2. Mary Lovell, wife, mar, 54, Laundress
3. Frank Lovell, son U, 23, Apresting lab
4. Mary Lovell, daughter, U, 17, Laundress
3. He appeared on the census in 1871 in Kensington Workhouse, Kensington,
London, England, United Kingdom. (6) William was an inmate, his occupation
William Lovell married Mary Field (Abt 1797 - Jul Q 1874) in 1823 - Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England, United Kingdom and they had four children that I know of:-
1. Ann Lovell (Abt 1826- )
2. William Lovell (Abt 1826- )
3. Francis Lovell (Abt 1829- )
4. Mary Lovell (Abt 1834- )