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7th Royal Scots Territorials - George Walker

I have a photo of a group of military men taken before 1913 presumably in Scotland.
I have been able to identify the soldier on the far left, kneeling at the front, as George WALKER. George was born in 1889 (see transcription of birth extract below) and migrated to Australia in March 1913 and married Louisa LOVELL in July 1913.

The notation on the back of the photo reads 7th Royal Scots Territorials.

How can I find out more information on his participation in the Royal Scots, is there anywhere I can access records and if so how?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks Sandra



Transcription of Birth Extract for George Walker.
No. 239
Name and Surname George Walker
When and Where Born 1889 September Twenty third 1816 8h 5m P.M
S. Bridgeton, Karcarldy (Kinghorn)
Sex M
Names, Surname and Rank Profession of Father. Name, and maiden Name of Mother, Date Place of MarriageJames Wyld WALKER, Grocer Margaret Walker ms MILLIGAN 1879 April 8th Edinburgh
Signature and Qualifications of Informant and Residence, If out of the House in which Birth occurred. James Wyld WALKER Father (present)
When and where Registered, and Signature of Registrar
What and Where Registered, and Signature of Registrar 1889 October 14th at Kirkcarddy
Signed by the Registrar
Extracted from the Register Book of Births for the District of Kirkcarldy, & Abbotshall, in the county of Fife 14th day of October 1889
Notation of the bottom “Baptised by me on Tuesday 3rd Dec. 1889. Robert, Glasglow Minister Invested.


Looking for Thomas Dutton who died in 1858

Below is Mary Ann Dillon's second marriage, she was previously married to Thomas Dutton, who according to the 2 transcribed marriage certificates below he appears to have died in 1858.

I have not been able to find his death, according to the Victorian BDM site he did not die in Victoria, Australia

Would love to make contact with anyone who has any information on Thomas Dutton or his wife or only surviving child Catherine Dutton.

Transcription of Marriage Certificate for Mary Ann Dutton to John Edwards 1868
Citation:- Victorian Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages, Marriage Certificate Mary Ann Dutton & John Edwards, Mary Ann Dutton & John Edwards, 4649 yr 1868

When & Where- Fifteenth October 1868 Registrars Office Geelong
Name and Surname of Parties Groom- John Edwards
Name and Surname of Parties Bride - Mary Ann Dutton
Condition of Parties Groom - Bachelor
Condition of Parties Bride - Widow 1858
Children by each former marriage Groom-
Children by each former marriage Bride - 1 living 3 dead
Birth Place Groom - Liverpool England
Birth Place Bride - London
Rank or Profession Groom - Fisherman
Rank or Profession Bride -
Age Groom - 42
Age Bride - 41
Residence Present Groom - Little Ryrie St Geelong
Residence Usual Groom - Little Ryrie St Geelong
Residence Present Bride - Little Ryrie St Geelong
Residence Usual Bride - Little Ryrie St Geelong
Parents Names Grooms Father - William Edwards
Parents Names Grooms Mother includes maiden name - Sarah Walker
Parents Names Bride Father - John Dillon
Parents Names Bride Mother includes maiden name - Catherine Kelly
Fathers Rank or Profession Groom - Joiner
Fathers Rank or Profession Bride - Sugar Baker
Married by - James Duncan
Married at Registrar of Marriages Office at Geelong
Marriage solemnised according to the rites of - Schedule B
Groom signature present - yes
Brides signature present - yes
Witness 1 - Mary Bowells
Witness 2 - unable to read

The First Marriage for Mary Ann Dillon was in England

Transcription of Marriage certificate of Mary Ann Dillon & Thomas Henry Dutton
Citation:- General Register Office, England, Marriage Certificate Thomas Henry Dutton & Mary Ann Dillon (Quarter 1 Year 1848 Vol 2 Page 173)

1848 Marriage solemnized at the Parish church in the Parish of St Giles with Cripplegate in the city of London
When Married - Feb 22
Name and Surname Groom - Thomas Henry Dutton
Name and Surname Bride - Mary Ann Dillon
Age Groom - Full
Age Bride - Full
Condition Groom - Drover
Condition Bride -
Residence at the Time of Marriage Groom - 17 Green Hills Rents
Residence at the Time of Marriage Bride - White Cross St
Father's name and surname Groom - William Dutton
Father's name and surname Bride - John Dillon
Rank or Profession Father Groom - White Smith
Rank or Profession Father Bride - Sugar Baker
Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by banns by m? H.B. Foster
This Marriage was solemnized between us Thomas Henry Dutton X Mary A Dillon in the presence of us James Barttam X Mary Barttam

Post Edited and Updated 28/12/2015

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Two Walter Todman born 1866 in the English Census

Walter Todman
Born - Mar Q 1866 Greenwich 1d 711
Christened - Entry 880 - Walter 11 March 1866, 8 years Child of Henry & Emma Todman, Addlestone, Father Labourer Source Ancestry.com. Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. Original data: Anglican Parish Registers. Woking, Surrey, England: Surrey History Centre. Baptisms in the Parish of Addlestone, in the County of Surrey in 1874 page 112

Census Appearances 1871, 1881 & 1891

1871 Census
Wotton Road, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, London, England
1. Henry Tadman 33 Head, Baker b. Chertsey, Surrey
2. Emma Tadman 28 Wife b. Chertsey, Surrey
3. Arther Tadman 7 Son b. Norwood, Surrey
4. Walter Tadman 5 Son b. Deptford, Kent
Source 1871 RG10; Piece: 744; Folio: 162; Page: 15

1881 Census
Spratts, Chertsey, Surrey, England
1. Emma Todman, head, 39, widow, Chertsey, Surrey, England
2. Arthur Todman, 17, Carter, son, Norwood, Surrey, England
3. Walter Todman, 15, Carters Boy, Deptford, Kent, England
4. Emily Todman, 7, scholar, Chertsey, Surrey, England
5. Nellie Todman, 2, Chertsey, Surrey, England
6. Lucy Cardash, 2, Foundling
7. Alfred Jennins, 1, Foundling
Source: Class: RG11; Piece: 768; Folio: 60; Page: 18 (Note the first letter of Todman looks like J so the surname is often indexed as Jodman)

1891 Census
Mixnams, The Ferry, Chertsey, Surrey, England
1. Walter Todman, Head, Married, Male, 25, Agricultural Labourer, Deptford, Kent, England
2. Sarah Todman, Wife, Married, Female, 26, Chertsey, Surrey, England
3. Alice Todman, Daughter, Female, 8, Scholar, Chertsey, Surrey, England
4. Walter H Todman, Son, Male, 0, Chertsey, Surrey, England
5. Elizabeth Hunter, Sister In Law, Single, Female, 20, Chertsey, Surrey, England
Source: 1891 Census RG12, Piece #552, Folio 37, Page 4

Further details on family source

Further information for Parents:- Death of Father registered in Mar Q 1879 as Henry Todman, aged 42, District Chertsey, Vol 2a, page 34; Parents marriage registered Dec Q 1862 Henry Todman to Emma Gray District Chertsey, Vol 2a, page 45

Marriage
Walter Todman aged 23, father Henry Todman, & Sarah Vinvine aged 23, father George Vinvine on 30 November 1890
Source : Ancestry.com. Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. Original data: Anglican Parish Registers. Woking, Surrey, England: Surrey History Centre.Page 52 (digital image 27), Christ Church Ottershaw, Reference # OTT/1/3

Further information:-
All baptised on the same day 17th May 1874, as Walter:-
1. Entry 878 - Emily Child of Henry & Emma Todman, Addlestone, Father Labourer
2. Entry 879 - Arthur born 11 Feb 1864 10 years Child of Henry & Emma Todman, Addlestone, Father Labourer
Source Ancestry.com. Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. Original data: Anglican Parish Registers. Woking, Surrey, England: Surrey History Centre. Baptisms in the Parish of Addlestone, in the County of Surrey in 1874 page 112

Walter Todman

Born - Sep Q 1865 Hambledon 2a 109

Christened: Entry number 264, Walter Todman, son of William, Labourer, and Emily Todman living in ?Tattenbury, in the Parish of Milford, St John the Evangelist
Source: Ancestry.com. Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2013. Original data: Anglican Parish Registers. Woking, Surrey, England: Surrey History Centre. St John the Evangelist, 1852 Jan-1875 Feb, Page 33, Digital Image 22 of 38 accessed 30 October 2015

Census Appearances 1871 & 1881
1871 Census in Scotland Lane, Milford
1. William Todman 44 Head, Domestic Servant, Groom b. Hastings, Sussex
2. Emily Todman 40 Wife b. Petersfield, Hampshire
3. William Todman 14 Son, Assistant Groom b. Milford, Surrey
4. Archibald Todman 12 Son b. Milford, Surrey
5. Albert Todman 10 Son b. Chapel En Le Frith, Derbyshire
6. Martha Todman 7 Daur b. Chapel En Le Frith, Derbyshire
7. Walter Todman 5 Son b. Milford, Surrey
8. Frank Todman 3 Son b. Milford, Surrey
9. Harry Todman 1 Son b. Milford, Surrey
10.Kate E Todman 2 months Daur
Source 1871 RG10; Piece: 823; Folio: 32; Page: 2

1881 Census
Witley Street, Witley, Surrey (Note, Witley is only 2 miles away from Mitford)
1. Emily Todman 50 Wife (Husband not present though) b. Petersfield, Hants
2. Adelene Todman 28 Daur, Dressmaker b. Petersfield, Hants. Deaf + Dumb
3. Martha Todman 19 Daur b. Chapel En Le Frith, Derbys
4. Walter Todman 15 Son General Lab b. Witley, Surrey
5. Frank Todman 13 Son General Lab, b. Witley Surrey
6. Henry Todman 11 Son b. Witley, Surrey
7. Kate E. Todman 10 Daur b. Witley, Surrey
8. Sidney Todman 6 Son b. Witley, Surrey
9. Alfred Todman 4 Son, b. Witley, Surrey
Source: 1881 Class: RG11; Piece: 790; Folio: 60; Page: 9

1891 Census
Hornty Road, Hastings, Sussex, England
1. William Todman, Head, Married, Male, 62, Gardener, Hastings, Sussex, England
2. Emily Todman, Wife, Married, Female, 60, Petersfield, Hampshire, England
3. Adela J Todman, Daughter, Single, Female, 38, Dress Maker, Petersfield, Hampshire, England
4. George A Todman, Son, Married, Male, 36, Butler Domestic Servant, Petersfield, Hampshire, England
5. Kate E Todman, Daughter, Single, Female, 21, Book Keeper, Surrey, England
6. Sidney Todman, Son, Single, Male, 16, Tailor, Surrey, England
7. Alfred Todman, Son, Single, Male, 14, Scholar, Surrey, England
8. Charles Wiliams, Visitor, Married, Male, 76, Living On Her Own Means, Stockton, Durham, England
9. Martha E Millichamp, Visitor, Widow, Female, 50, Living On Her Own Means, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Source 1891 Census RG12, Piece 764, Folio 67, page 25

Further information:-
Walter Todman has left home or died, unable to locate him in the 1891 Census. He could possibly be the Walter TODMAN, born 1866 who died 1887 in the British nationals armed forces deaths 1796-2005 in Sealkote India aged 21 source FindMyPast (UK) GRO Army Death Indices (1881 to 1955), page 223, record set British nationals armed forces deaths 1796-2005 accessed 30/10/2015

Narrowing on in on Walter Todman born 1866

I have looked at the census between 1871 and 1881 to find my man. Since he may have changed his name I have attempted to research the following combinations – Walter Todman, Walter Willoughby, James Todman & James Willoughby.

These names were chosen for the following reasons:-
* Walter Todman - he was known from 1890(i) when he applied for his patent using this name, and for the rest of his life including when he married Martha Sarah Ellis in 1892(ii) in Australia.
* Walter Willoughby & James Todman - based on information contained in a advertisement in a newspaper column for MISSING FRIENDS "Willoughby, or Todman (James), left Millwall in 1884; last letter from Sydney, N.S.W., in 1888. Mother asks."(iii)
* James Willoughby- the final permutation of the possible first and last names.

I have calculated his year of birth as 1866 +/2 yrs based on his children’s Australian birth certificates which gives the father’s age and birth place:-
* 1894(iv) on his daughter's Martha certificate his birth place was given as Essex, England
* 1895(v) on his daughter's Ivy Florence certificate his birth place was given as Stepheney, London
* 1897(vi) on his son's Walter Victor certificate his birth place was given as Surrey, England
* 1903(vii) on his daughter's Hazel May certificate his birth place was given as Essex, England
* 1906(viii) on his son's Lincoln James certificate his birth place was given as Essex, England
* 1908(ix) on his daughter's Charlotte Mary certificate his birth place was given as Norfolk, England
* 1910(x) on his daughter's Alma Dudley certificate his birth place was given as Norfolk, England
On all birth certificates the informant was Martha Todman, mother and Walter’s wife; although the place of birth is always different his age is always consistent with being born in 1866.

The date range for search has been confined to 1871 and 1881 as the 1871 census is the first census taken after his birth in 1866 +/- 2 years, and by 1891 as he was in Australia.
The outcome of my research at this stage has resulted in two likely candidates:-
* Walter Todman son of William Todman & Emily abt 1866 born in Milford, Surrey, England
* James L T Willoughby son of Charles Willoughby & Mary Ann born Surrey, England

Now to check that neither of them died before 1891.....

Sources
(i) "Patent Office Transactions," The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser, 27 December 1890, p. 1446, col. 3; digital images, TROVE (http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article163648327 : accessed 18 Oct 2015), The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1871 - 1912).
(ii) Registry of Birth, Death and Marriages, Victoria, "Certificate of Marriage Walter Todman & Martha Ellis 16 January 1892 Reference# 345" (Original in family papers of Myrtle Sharp)
(iii) MISSING FRIENDS. (1901, April 13). Evening Journal (Adelaide, SA : 1869 - 1912), p. 6. Retrieved October 21, 2015, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207944213
(iv) Registry of Birth, Death and Marriages, Victoria, Australia, Birth Certificate Martha Todman (Year 1894, #1801, Original a certified copy)
(v) Registry of Birth, Death and Marriages, Victoria, Australia, Birth Certificate Ivy Florence Todman (1895, Reference# 32737 Original a certified copy)
(vi) Registry of Birth, Death and Marriages, Victoria, Australia, Birth Certificate Walter Victor Todman (Year 1897, Reference# 31247 Original a certified copy)
(vii) Registry of Birth, Death and Marriages, Victoria, Australia, Birth Certificate Hazel May Todman (1903, #13749, Original a certified copy)
(viii) Birth Certificate Lincoln James Todman, 20 July 1906, Reference# 298, Registry of Birth, Death and Marriages, Victoria, Australia (Original a certified copy)
(ix) Registry of Birth, Death and Marriages, Victoria, Australia, Birth Certificate Charlotte Mary Todman (Year 1908, # 22796, Original a certified copy)
(x) Registry of Birth, Death and Marriages, Victoria, Australia, Birth Certificate Alma Dudley Todman (Year 1909, Reference# 6626 Original a certified copy)

2 comment(s), latest 7 months, 3 weeks ago

James/Walter Willoughby/Todman 1871 1891 Censuses

I have been scouring the censuses in order to find out if my Walter Todman who I think may have changed his name either on the way to Australia from England or when he got to Australia. I have written before about my search for his identity which can be read about in a previous post here.
Since he may have changed his name I have attempted to research the following combinations of in the census returns - Walter Todman, Walter Willoughby, James Todman & James Willoughby born 1866. They needed to appear in the census in 1871, the first census taken after his birth in 1866 +/- 2 years, but not in 1891 or after as he was in Australia. It’s head banging work but in the process I have gathered quite a bit of census data that might be of use to others. If you wish in particular to see my conclusions based on this data concerning my personal research you will find it here

Looking for Walter Todman born 1866 +/- 2 yrs on the census using the FindmyPast data base indexes.
1871 Census
Walter Todman son of William & Emily abt 1866 born in Milford, Surrey, England living in Milford, Surrey (Class: RG10; Piece: 823; Folio: 22; Page: 2)

1881 Census
Walter Todman son of Emily abt 1866 born in Surrey, England living in Witley, Surrey (Class: RG11; Piece: 790; Folio: 60; Page: 9)

1891 Census
Walter Todman husband to Sarah born in Kent, Deptford living in Chertsey, Surrey (RG12; Piece: 552; Folio: 37; Page: 4)

1901 Census
Walter Todman husband to Elizabeth A born in Kent, Deptford living in Chertsey, Surrey (RG13; Piece: 660; Folio: 26; Page: 43)

1911
Walter Todman husband to Elizabeth born in Kent, Deptford living in Windlesham, Surrey (RG14; Piece: 3021; Schedule Number: 143)

Looking for Walter Todman born 1866 +/- 2 yrs on the census using the Ancestry.com data base indexes.
1871 Census
Walter Todman son of Henry & Emma Todman born in Kent, Deptford living in St Paul Deptford, London (Class: RG10; Piece: 744; Folio: 162; Page: 15; GSU roll: 824720)

Walter Todman son of William & Emily abt 1866 born in Milford, Surrey, England living in Milford, Surrey (Class: RG10; Piece: 823; Folio: 32; Page: 2; GSU roll: 838701)

1881 Census
Walter Todman son of Henry & Emma Todman born in Kent, Deptford living in Chertsey, Surrey (Class: RG11; Piece: 768; Folio: 60; Page: 18; GSU roll: 1341180)

Walter Todman son of Emily abt 1866 born in Milford, Surrey, England living in Witley, Surrey (Class: RG11; Piece: 790; Folio: 60; Page: 9; GSU roll: 1341186)

1891 Census
Walter Todman husband to Sarah born in Kent, Deptford living in Chertsey, Surrey (RG12; Piece: 552; Folio: 37; Page: 4; GSU roll: 6095662)

1901 Census
No Walter Todman’s found

1911
Walter Todman husband to Elizabeth born in Kent, Deptford living in Windlesham, Surrey (RG14; Piece: 3021; Schedule Number: 143)

Looking for Walter Willoughy born 1866 +/- 2 yrs on the census using the FindmyPast data base indexes.
1871
Walter Willoughby son of Benjamin Willoughby & Anie born Yorkshire, England (Class: RG10; Piece: 4521; Folio: 68; Page: 12)
Walter Willoughby son of Robert Willoughby & Rebecca born Surrey, England (Class: RG10; Piece: 636; Folio: 123; Page: 36)
Walter Willoughby son of Thomas Willoughby & Hannah born Berkshire, England (Class: RG10; Piece: 1250; Folio: 106; Page: 11)

1881
Walter Willoughby son of Hannah (widow) born Berkshire, England (Class: RG11; Piece: 1273; Folio: 38; Page: 38)
Walter Willoughby son of Ann Willoughby (widow) born Leeds, Kent (Class: RG11; Piece: 4497; Folio: 40; Page: 25)
Walter Willoughby son of Robert Willoughby & Rebecca born Rotherhithe, Surrey, England (Class: RG11; Piece: 581; Folio: 36; Page: 39)

1891
Walter Willoughby son of Robert Willoughby & Rebecca born Rotherhithe, Middlesex, England (Class: RG12; Piece: 376; Folio: 157; Page: 51)
W Willoughby son of William Willoughby & Alice M J born Plymouth, Devon (Class: RG12; Piece: 1733; Folio: 28; Page: 49)

1901
None

1911
None

Looking for Walter Willoughy born 1866 +/- 2 yrs on the census using the Ancestry.com data base indexes.
Census 1871
Walter J Willoughby son of Thomas Willoughby & Hannah born Yorkshire, England (Class: RG10; Piece: 1250; Folio: 106; Page: 11; GSU roll: 827839)
Walter Willoughby son of Benjamin Willoughby & Ann born Yorkshire, England (Class: RG10; Piece: 4521; Folio: 68; Page: 12; GSU roll: 848474)
Walter Willoughby son of Robert Willoughby & Rebecca born born Surrey, England (Class: RG10; Piece: 636; Folio: 123; Page: 36 ; GSU roll: 818930)

Census 1881
None

Looking for James Todman born 1866 +/- 2 yrs on the census using the FindmyPast data base indexes.
Only one found before 1901:-
James Todman Lodger Single Male 26 1865 Gardener Hastings, Sussex, England

Looking for James Todman born 1866 +/- 2 yrs on the census using the Ancestry.com data base indexes.
Nothing within the parameters

The Challenge of Walter Todman's Identity

The earliest we have been able to locate our Walter Todman in Australia is 1890 when he applies for a patent for shearing equipment which was duly reported in "The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser"(i) on the 27 December 1890 So I was very excited when I found an advertisement in a newspaper column for MISSING FRIENDS

"Willoughby, or Todman (James), left Millwall in 1884; last letter from Sydney, N.S.W., in 1888. Mother asks." (2)

Family legend states that Walter changed his name from Willoughby to Todman. The only marriage that my cousins and I have been able to fine between a Willoughby and a Todman occurred in 1854 when Charles Willoughby married Mary Ann Ramsey Todman in Gillingham Kent. They had a son James Lincoln Willoughby. On Walter's marriage certificate his mother was Mary Ann Willoughby, although the father was listed as Walter Todman(iii).

So now I am seeking to make contact with anyone who might be able to shed light on the mystery.

References
(i) "Patent Office Transactions" The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser, 27 December 1890, p. 1446, col. 3; digital images, TROVE (http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article163648327 : accessed 18 Oct 2015), The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1871 - 1912).
(ii) MISSING FRIENDS. (1901, April 13). Evening Journal (Adelaide, SA : 1869 - 1912), p. 6. Retrieved October 21, 2015, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207944213
(lll) Registry of Birth, Death and Marriages, Victoria, "Certificate of Marriage Walter Todman & Martha Ellis 16 January 1892 Reference# 345" (Original certificate the in family papers of Myrtle Sharp.)


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Martha Todman vs Walter Todman - a marital maintenance case.

Walter and Martha married on 16 Jan 1892 in All Saints Church, Saint Kilda, no address was given for Martha at the time, but Walter was living in Hawthorn according to the marriage certificate. From the time of his marriage, and for the birth of his first two children Walter worked as a blacksmith. Their eldest daughter, Martha Todman (later known as Ruby) arrived on 24th December in 1894 at the Women's hospital.

On the 14th September 1895 Walter Todman and his wife welcomed Ivy Florence Todman into the world. Life must have changed dramatically for the family by 1895, with 2 small children life must have been busy for the Todman household. The family had been living at 27 Arthur St, South Yarra, Victoria when Ruby was born. During the intervening 18 months between their first and second child the family had shifted to 3 Palmero Place, South Yarra , They may have also resided at Hancock St, South Melbourne for a short time as well.

Walter was still pursuing his inventions and continued to register new patents. In April 1894 he made an application for a patent for "an improved machine for saving gold" In October 1895 Walter was granted a patent for "An improved automatic check for venetian blinds." . He appears to have left his occupation as a Blacksmith and is working as a casual waiter perhaps to allow more time to focus on his inventions. But October 1895 saw the last of his applications for patents, earlier in that year in January he had even abandoned one.

Things appear to have hit boiling point for Martha as we next find the couple in the Prahran Police Court . Martha alleges that her husband Walter Todman left "her without any means of support at South Yarra on the 3rd inst." December, 1895. She had two children and "her husband was a job waiter and earned about 11 pound a month. Her parents were in England." The couple had a violent domestic argument, resulting in Walter being struck with a poker . It was resolved by the court an order being issued "for a I pound a week maintenance, and one surety of 25 pounds to be found for a due observance" She has been quoted as saying "her husband, who was a waiter, was in the habit of handing her his earnings each week, but on Sunday week be refused to give her any money, and since then she could not live with him on account of his temper and disgusting language."

After all this angst and excitement things appear to settle at least for the next few years until 1901.

For sources see Originally published at Link: Sandra's Ancestral Research Journal on the 4 October 2015

The process of finding Caroline Williamson's nee Munro illusive obituary

Recently I posted a request for help to find the Obituary of Caroline Williamson nee Munro.
I received response from janilye who had graciously taken the time to consult the Ryson Index (why hadn't I thought of that?). Caroline WILLIAMSON does have a notice in the Sydney Morning Herald on the 18th JULY 1968.

Having now located a reference for the obituary I am now trying to locate an actual copy of the wording from the newspaper.

The steps I have taken so far are as follows:-

1. I have consulted the Australia Online Historical Newspapers which shows where you can find free copies of digital copies of the newspapers unfortunately it shows that in TROVE The Sydney Morning Herald has only been digitized between 1842 and 1954.- no joy here

2. Next I consulted the Google News Archive site which showed that there were 38,755 issues of Sydney Morning Herald between Apr 3, 1830 - Dec 31, 1989 - I was very excited I thought I could smell victory but alas there were only 5 of the 24 issues held in the archive for July and for the 18 July the edition that has been archived is the late edition and unfortunately there is no listing for Caroline Munro which could mean one of 2 things either the Ryson Index is incorrect (possible but not likely) or more probable that the death notice appeared in an earlier edition. - so no joy here.

3. Then it struck me perhaps as State Library of Victoria member I could access the "Sydney Morning Herald" which it turns out that I can, including a lot more resources. A list of can be found here Free journals, databases and ebooks. So I rummaged around in my files and dusted off my library card only to find that it didn't work. I immediately contacted the library by email who responded and confirmed that the card had expired so that I'd need ot re-register. To register was very easy all I had to do was fill out an online form "You can tick the option to have the card posted to you. This will take between 3 and 5 business days."

So it shouldn't be long before I can actually read Caroline's missing death notice/obituary!

By the way there was another alternative to accessing The Sydney Morning Herald and The Sun-Herald as they do have their own private archives covering the period between 1955-1995 however payment is required for access.

The pennies I save by waiting to use the State Library I am hoping to put towards purchasing another death certificate for my research - something that can't be found for free!

Looking for an article in the Leader Newspaper in between 9 Dec 1967 and 17 July 1968 in NSW

I have a wonderful cutting of an article that appeared in an unknown Newspaper possibly in the local Leader Newspaper for Como or Strathfield, NSW (as reference has been made to the Leader calling (see transcription of the article below)).

As Caroline Williamson's birthday was the 9th December and she is 103 years old, I am assuming that the article was published between 9 Dec 1967 and her death on the 17 July 1968. It doesn't appear that TROVE has digitized the newspapers yet; I am hoping that someone who might have access to the local newspapers of the area would be able to see if they could find the article for me. I am needing to reference where it came from, for my records. Someday I am also hoping that one day I can obtain a clearer copy of the accompanying picture if I can work out where the article came from.

"Woman, 103, asks: "Why all the fuss?"
Anyone would think nobody had been that old before chided Mrs Caroline Williamson, who at 103 is a very spry lady.
Mrs. Williamson willingly showed the photographer the birthday telegram her great-grandson sent from Beirut.
But she still could not see that her great age warranted any special fuss.
Her mother in fact was almost 105 when she died.
Mrs Williamson lives in Cremona Road, Como, with her daughter, Mrs Norma Cawse.
Newcomers to the house wonder if Mrs Williamson is unable to walk or has lost other faculties.
"One of the television men wanted to know if she was in a wheelchair" laughed Mrs Cawse.
In fact, Mrs Williamson walks about the house with just a helping had and assists her daughter with the dishes or vegetables.
She looks very much younger than her years and was distressed, when the Leader called, that her hearing seemed to have failed just in the past week.
The daughter of a British Army man, she was born in Bombay.
Her father came to Australia to buy horses for the cavalry when Caroline was nine years old.
He returned to buy the first hotel in Maryborough, Victoria.
That was the start of a new life for Mrs. Williamson - one which led her to every State in Australia.
Six Children
Her husband died 20 years ago, so she went to her daughter in Western Australia.
They returned to New South Wales in 1955.
The eldest of her six children is Monty, 82, who is still a professional dancer and choreographer in the city.
She has two sons in Gosford and one in Strathfield.
Mrs. Williamson's birthday was on December 9.
She received letters from strangers and was mentioned on several television programs.
And she giggled like a schoolgirl about all the attention:
"Why, I'll be 104 next year!" she said with an impish grin."


3 comment(s), latest 1 year, 2 months ago

Looking for Caroline WILLIAMSON's nee MUNRO Obituary

I am looking for the obituary of Caroline Williamson who died in Como, NSW, Australia at the age of 103 on the 17th July 1968 and who is buried in Woronora Cemetery, which is also in NSW.

I have searched TROVE but as yet have not been able to locate any obituary which could mean 3 things that either the local paper for the area has not yet been digitized, or I have not been able "see" it in the newspapers I have searched or there was never an obituary.

Thanks to the BillonGraves site I do have a photo of the graves stone [BillionGraves, Database And Images (Http://billiongraves.com : Accessed 25/05/215), Memorial Page For Caroline Williamson, Find A Grave, Citing Woronora Cemetery, 121 Linden Street Sutherland 2232.}

If anyone is able to help I would be absolutely thrilled.


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