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John BASSETT born circia 1814 buried 1815 St Hillary, Cornwall, England

I am looking for the christening of John BASSETT born circa 1814 location unknown although possibly anywhere between Madron where his parents were married in 1812 and St Hilary, Cornwall where he was buried on 17-May 1815, at the age of 1,where his family appear to have settled for a few years before moving on to Toon Tanner a tenement in Breage

His parents were John BASSETT & Martha CARBIS who were married on 15 Mar 1812 in Paul, Cornwall. Eight months after on 13th of December, 1812 his grandfather, William CARBIS was accused of stealing sheep, he absconded almost immediately with his fellow felons, two of John's uncles William CARBIS (Jnr) and Francis BASSETT . It appears that sometime shortly after John's parents John and Martha may have also have moved out of the area to St Hillary.

We think that John was their first born, born in 1814, although we have not yet been able to locate where he was christened we do know that he died in 1815 at the age of one and was buried in St Hillary.

It would appear soon after that another son was born in 1816, their second child William Bassett, who was christened in St Hilary, at the time the family were living in a tenement called Rosedown.
I am hoping that if I can find John BASSETT 'S christening in 1814 it might shed some light on the families whereabouts at the time of his birth.

I am hoping that someone might have come accross him and his family while doing other research.
Fingers crossed.

Who are David BOGIES'S parents - Dysart, Fife, Scotland

David Bogie was the father of Hannah Bogie.
David Bogie and Isable Fyffe
The couple married on 30 Jul 1813 in Dysart, Fife, Scotland,according to the Dysart Old Parish RegisterS both groom and bride were identified as being of this Parish, Dysart. Unfortunately no parents were given for either party.

So now I'm trying to work out who David Bogie's parents were.
The only census that David Bogie appears in the 1841 where he is 50 (his wife was a widow in the 1851 census) which means that he could have been born between 1787 and 1791 as the ages were rounded down to the nearest 5. So he could have been anywhere between 50 and 54 years old and according to the entry in the Church marriage register he came from the parish of Dysart so I assume that he was most likely born there.

Doing a search on the IGI there are three David Bogie's that meet these parameters:-
1.Birth: 25 MAR 1790 , Christening: 28 MAR 1790 St. Andrews And St. Leonards, Fife, Scotland Parents:- DAVID BOGIE & ELIZABETH MCKAY
2. Birth: 15 JAN 1791, Christening: 16 JAN 1791 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland. Parents: JAMES BOGIE & AGNES ANDERSON
3.Birth: 03 MAY 1792 Leslie, Fife, Scotland Parents: ROBERT BOGGIE & JANNET CURRER
DAvid's occupation was a msaon according to the 1841 census.
Does anyone recongnise these couples and know their families maybe through a process of elimination I can work out who my David Bogies parents are.
Interested to talk to anyone with connections to these families.

3 comment(s), latest 6 years, 2 months ago

Hannah Roper MILLIGAN nee BOGIE

Looking for more information on Hannah and her family
Hannah Bogie
Born: 5 August 1828 - Gallatown, Kirkcaldy, , Fife, Scotland(C119513 1820 - 1843 1040195)
Christened: 24 Aug 1828, Dysart, Fife, Scotland, United Kingdom (C119513 1820 - 1843 1040195)
Daughter of: David & Isabella Bogie (nee Fyffe) Hannah's and parents and her mother's maiden name was found on her death certificate 1900 Milligan, Anna Roper (Statutory Deaths 685/060040)
Died: 24 Feb 1900, at 9 Mentone Ave, Portobello, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland, United Kingdom (Statutory Deaths 685/060040)

Hannah's Parents
Hannah BOGIE is the daughter of david BOGIE and Isabel FYFFE
David BOGIE, son of Robert BOGIE and Jannet CURRER, was born on 3 May 1792 in Leslie, Fife, Scotland, United Kingdom.(IGI -M119512 1735 - 1819 1040195)
Isabel FYFFE was born about 1791 in Fife, Scotland, United Kingdom.
The couple married 30 Jul 1813 in Dysart, Fife, Scotland, United Kingdom

My Lovell family were from Acton, Middlesex, and not from Compton Martin, Somerset, England as I had originally thought

When I began my research I had the parents of my Francis Lovell - William Lovell and Mary.
With nothing much more to go on I did a search in the census' and found a William and Mary Lovell in Compton Martin, Somerset, England. I decided to follow through on this line and in doing so found a whole clan of Lovell's living in the area but as I was to find out soon enough they weren't mine. Francis Lovell my direct connection to the family was nowhere to be found and far more elusive. Later I discovered that this was because I had unfortunately chosen the wrong family. The William and Mary I was looking for can be found in the Middlesex area of England(See below).

So now I am posting this new journal as a response to my own previous jounral about the Lovell family in Crompton Martin as way of correction. I'm still Interested in talking to anyone who might be related or want to share information.


William Lovell born about 1806 in Chalfont, Buckinghamshire, England and died: Jan Q 1870 - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England, United Kingdom

1841 Census
East Acton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
( HO107; Piece 687; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Acton; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 22; Page: 11)
1. William Lovell, 40, Carman
2. Mary Lovell, 40
3. Ann Lovell, 15
4. William Lovell, 15
5. Francis Lovell, 13
6. Mary Lovell, 7
7. Sarah Borall 70
1851 Census
( HO107; Piece: 1699; Folio: 637; Page: 19)
East Acton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
1. William Lovell, head, married, 56, A??ing Laundry
2. Mary Lovell, wife, mar, 54, Laundress
3. Frank Lovell, son U, 23, Apresting lab
4. Mary Lovell, daughter, U, 17, Laundress
3. He appeared on the census in 1871 in Kensington Workhouse, Kensington,
London, England, United Kingdom. (6) William was an inmate, his occupation
was labourer.

William Lovell married Mary Field (Abt 1797 - Jul Q 1874) in 1823 - Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England, United Kingdom and they had four children that I know of:-
1. Ann Lovell (Abt 1826- )
2. William Lovell (Abt 1826- )
3. Francis Lovell (Abt 1829- )
4. Mary Lovell (Abt 1834- )

Different clusters of Jackas in England

There are several Jacka researchers that surmise that there are different clusters of Jackas in England.
And that these clusters can be identified by using naming patterns and geography as defining principles to identify various Jacka family groups.
Below is an outline of naming pattern "theory"

Naming Patterns 1700-1875
The first Son was named after the fathers father
Second son named after mothers father
Third son named after the father
Fourth son named after fathers eldest brother
First daughter named after mothers mother
Second daughter named after fathers mother
Third daughter named after mother
Fourth daughter named after mothers eldest sister
Exceptions to the pattern occur when the naming system produced a duplication of names.
In that case, the name was taken from the next on the list.
Another break in the pattern could be caused by a death.
If a child died in infancy, then the parents would name the subsequent new born the same name.

(Taken from: Tracing your Origins. By Angus Baxter.)

Using the International Genealogical Index (IGI) a fellow researcher has labourously extract hundreds of people with Jacka surnames (although not all) he has managed to link together various Jacka families based on the patterns occurring in their offsprings names.

On analysis they can be divided up into different groups according to particular naming patterns and occupation types.

The five groups so far identified are:-
Lands End
Land's End (Cornish name: Pedn a Wollaz) is a headland on the Penwith peninsula, located near Penzance, Cornwall, UK.

Common thread names
Common occupation
Working the land either as labourers or farmers

Mounts Bays
Common thread names
And further down the descendancy the name Peter and is introduced and the name Humphrey is dropped
Common occupation

Redruth (group 1)
Common thread names
Common occupation
Miners, blacksmiths, whitesmiths, stone masons

Redruth (group 2)
Originally from Perranzubloe before moving to Redruth
Common thread names
Common occupation - not yet identified

Scatter group
Not yet identified as a single or multiple groups with distinguishing features

Of course this is only a theory a lot more work has yet to be done such as consulitng original records etc, but perhaps eventually if we can gather enough infomration and go back far enough they will link together?

From all of this information can you identiy which group your Jacka's might belong to?


Two John Bassetts - Almost a case of mistaken identity

On John Bassetts death certificate (died in Eaglehawk, Victoria, Australia) in 1868 his age was 80 and his parents were William Bassett and Mary Unknown. Therefore we deducted that he must have been born in circa 1788.
Research turned up a John Bassett christened 27 March 1788, St Izzey, Cornwall his parents were William Bassett and Mary Symons. At this point we felt very excited that we had found our John. However, after further research a descendant was found in Roma, Queensland, Australia who refuted our claim of kinship in the nicest way possible.
The following information was forwarded for us to digest:-
John Bassett [son of William Bassett (1761-1831) & Mary Symons (1767-1832)] Christened 27 Mar 1788 in St Izzy, Cornwall who died 7th Oct 1851 in Fairwater House, Taunton Somerset.John was a lunatic confined to Fairwater House Lunatic Asylum for many years admitted July 1828 having previously been a patient at a similar establishment near Tauton, Fivehead House since 25 Oct 1822.This was a wholesale move and transfer of license from the one to the other asylum by the same surgeon/owner. Private patient. Cause of death peritonitis and effusion in the chest (Somerset RO 1/5/87).
This therefore couldn't be the John Bassett who married Martha Carbis as he died in England in 1851 whereas our John died in Eaglehawk, Victoria, Australia in 1868

So it was back to the drawing board, until a second promising John Bassett was unearthed, who was also born in Madron

John Bassett christened 5 September 1790, Madron, Cornwall Unfortunately only one parent is given, the father, in the Madron Parish records see below
"5 Sep 1790 John s/o William Bassett, pauper at Madron"
On John Bassett's death certificate1 in 1868 his father is listed as William, a farmer, and his mother is listed as Mary unknown, a farmers wife.
Another conundrum perhaps John's parents had in the past been farmer but had become paupers just before John was born?
It would seem highly likely that the descendants in Australia had no clear memory of who John's parents were, or what their occupations were. Australia is a long way away and death certificates are not the most reliable source of information.
So until someone comes along to prove something different I've decided to lay claim to this John, at least for the momment.

Looking for information for John Bassett pre his marriage to Martha Carbis in Paul, Cornwall

Not much is known about John Bassett born 1970 before his marriage to Martha Carbis in 1812, other than his occupation which was listed as sojourner in the parish register.
A sojourner just means someone who is a temporary resident, but in Parish Registers its meaning is a little more precise. When the Hardwicke Act was introduced in 1754, clerks were required to enter the parish for each party to a marriage. If they had been resident for more than 3 weeks then they were shown as o.t.p. (of this parish). However, for someone who had only taken up residence in lodgings to avoid the necessity for banns fees, this was frowned upon and the word sojourner was added to the entry to indicate that they had met the letter of the law but didn't really belong.(Found in the Glossary of the website belonging to West Penwith Resources)

If this definition is applied to my John Bassett it implies that he had moved into the parish in order to marry Martha and that he may not have been living in Madron for much longer than 3 weeks.

The idea that he was not born in Paul is also supported by the the 1851 & 1861 census which gives Johns birthplace as Madron a neighbouring parish of Paul.

On investigation of the Madron Parish records there is a record of a John Bassett who was christened in 1790. Unfortunately only one parent, the father, was given.

"5 Sep 1790 John s/o William Bassett, pauper at Madron"

On John Bassett's death certificate (he died 1868) his father is listed as William a farmer and his mother is listed as Mary unknown a farmers wife. (the names and/or may or may not be an accurate record). If John Bassetts parents were farmers at some stage the usage of word paupers may inidicate that they have come upon hard times.

The use of the term "farmer" seems to cover pretty much anyone who owned or rented a piece of land on which they carried out some type of farming-like activity.

Johns father, William, was listed as a pauper at his christening - perhaps he fell on hard times at one point just but before and perhaps even after that he may have had a smallholding. Maybe at Johns birth his father was struggling, but later he managed to rise above the pauper status just before the birth of his last daughter Jane.

After perusing the parish records I have identified Johns the possible siblings, below are the transcribed entries
1. 4 Jan 1784 Anne d/o William Basset at Madron
2. 11 Sep 1785 Francis s/o William Bassett, pauper at Madron
3. 20 Jan 1788 William s/o William Bassett, pauper at Madron
4. 5 Sep 1790 John s/o William Bassett, pauper at Madron
5. 8 Mar 1792 Mary d/o William Basset, pauper at Madron private baptism"
6. 9 Mar 1794 Mary d/o William Basset, pauper at Madron
7. 13 Mar 1796 James s/o William Bassett, pauper at Madron
8. 17 Feb 1798 Hanna d/o William Basset, pauper at Madron private baptism
9. 23 Mar 1800 Jane d/o William Basset at Madron private baptism

The most likely marriage for William is to a Jane Mathews Banns Pub July 27, Aug 3 & 10 1783 the actual marriage took place on March 13 Sep 1783.

In all there appear to be 3 marriages for persons named William Bassett in Madron.
William Bassett (signed with child like writing) Jane Mathews (signed with a mark) Banns Pub July 27,Aug 3 & 10 1783 Marr 13 sep 1783 Witness Sibion Thoastes? who signed his name Witness Mathew Hoken who signed his name Page 212 Reg#844
William Bassett (signed with a mark) to Eleanor Sampson (signed with a mark) 1761 23 June Witness James Bassett who signed his name Witness Margery Grenfell made a mark Page 45 Reg#178
William Bassett to Magery Grenfield 1735 Aug 23

However the William who married Jane seems the most likely one based on a bit of investigation. The other Williams marrying in Madron are too early:

This William was able to sign his name however the signature was in very childlike writing. This may have been an indication that there was some source of income in his background enough to at least for him to learn how to write his name. Or he may have learnt to write his name for a single purpose such as to sign apprenticeship papers.

When he became a pauper he may not have had enough money to pay for his own children to learn to write which would explain why when his son John comes to get married he is unable to sign his own name in the parish register.

On Williams marriage certificate it stated that both William and his bride were both of the parish of Madron.

The idea that Johns mother is Jane Mathews is Johns father is contradicted by Johns own death certificate which says it was Mary. (Death certificates however are notoriously unreliable)

Looking at the list of Johns possible siblings it would appear that something must have happened between 1784 and 1785 as his father was not listed as Pauper on his sister Annes christening record but by 1785 he was listed as a pauper, on his son Franciss christening record.

Who are the parents of John BASSETT born Madron, Cornwall circia 1788 - 1790?


Hopefully somebody can help - There has been a fair amount of confusion around who the parents of my John Bassett who was born in England and died in Victoria, Australia. I would value any help that could help me (and other descendants) get over this brick wall. I've tried to lay out the logic of my conclusion so that others might be able to show me where I'm wrong or perhpas an altervative way of approaching the same problem


Sandra from down under in Australia

When was John Bassett Snr Born?

On John Bassett's death certificate (died in Eaglehawk) in 1868 his age was 80 (birthdate would then be 1788)

In the 1841 census he was listed as being aged 50 born possibly in 1787-91

In the 1851 census he was listed as being aged 60 born possibly born in 1791

In the 1861 census he was listed as being aged 70 born possibly born in 1791

On his death certificate is states that was 80 years old when he died in 1868 which would have made his birth date 1788

From the above evidence it would seem that John Basset was probably born between 1788 and 1790.

Possible Candidates for the position of our John Bassett

John Bassett christened 27 March 1788, St Izzey, Cornwall his parents were William Bassett and Mary Symons. This John Bassett however died 7th Oct 1851 in Fairwater House, Taunton Somerset. John was a lunatic confined to Fairwater House Lunaic Asylum for many years admitted July 1828 having previously been a patient at a similar establishment near Tauton, Fivehead House since 25 Oct 1822. This was a wholesale move and transfer of licence from the one to the other asylum by the same surgeon/owner. Private patient. Cause of death peritonitis and effusion in the chest (Somerset RO 1/5/87)

John Bassett christened 5 September 1790, Madron, Cornwall Unfortunately only one parent is given, the father, to a William Bassett according to the Madron Parish records see below

"5 Sep 1790 John s/o William Bassett, pauper at Madron"

This could be MY John Bassett however on his death certificate it stated that John Bassett's parents were farmers (which may or may not be accurate), if his parents were farmers it is unlikely they would have been listed as paupers on his christening record.

Any one got any ideas?


Looking for the parents of William LOVELL, Compton Martin, Somerset, England

William LOVELL, born possbily between 1806 and 1807 in Compton Martin, Somerset, England
William married Mary.
Mary was born about 1801 in Chillcott,Somerset, England

They had seven children:
1. Ann, born about 1826 in Compton Martin, Somerset,England
2. William, born about 1826 in Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
3. Francis, born about 1829 in East Acton, Middlesex, England(Francis married Hannah. Hannah was born about 1836 in East Acton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom. They had five children: Edward Francis, Emily, Albert, Walter and Louisa.)
4. Mary, , born about 1834 in Middlesex, England, United Kingdom
5. Elizabeth, , born about 1838 in Compton Martin,Somerset, England
6. James, , born about 1840 in Compton Martin, Somerset,England, UK
7. William, .born about 1844 in Compton Martin, Somerset, England, UK

Hannah BOGIE born circia 1827 in Scotland who married John MILLIGAN in KIRKCALDY, FIFESHIRE, SCOTLAND

I am looking for information on a Hannah Bogie born cirica 1828 possibly in Kirkcaldy, Fifeshire, Scotland who married a John Milligan according to the IGI on 30 Oct 1846 in Dysart, Fife, Scotland.

I have found a Hannah Ropper Boggie who was born 05 AUG 1828 and christened on the 24 AUG 1828 in Dysart, Fife, Scotland and child of DAVID BOGGIE & ISABEL FYFE but I 'm not sure if she is the same person. I think I have found the family in West Gallatown North Side, Dysart in the 1841 Scottish Census; which would have been close to where my Hannah would have been born and got married.

Any information would be most helpful.