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Elizabeth PITT. b. 1801 England. M. Daniel PRINCE, b. 1794, d. 1850. Child Priscilla, b.1826 who married George DUKE, Surrey and emigrated to New Zealand with their young family
Does anyone have Elizabeth's parents, predecessors etc. on a family tree ? Who is Elizabeth PITT (i.e.,, is she of William Pitt's family perhance ?)
Family lore says she went as Governess to India (don't know year, presumably after being widowed in 1850) for Sir .. KNATCHBULL.
A family member has the sampler she made in 1809, as a child.
My husbad has tested with FTDNA, Y-DNA, and disconcertingly, no Rockliff/Rockcliffe shows as as a match. I'm beginning to think that one of the Grandmothers must have "jumped the fence" ... !! Has anyone else done Y-DNA with Family Tree ?
This is information I have learned from Rosie Marshall, and Bev Smith, both of Tasmania, regarding the Rockliffs who emigrated to Tasmania in the mid 1800's..
The above mentioned Francis was the son of Francis of Alford, a Breeches Maker by trade. The younger Francis (b.1748) moved to Kirk Smeaton in Yorkshire, his wife Mary Dawson (b.1749). They had at least twelve children, listed in a Family Bible in the possession of Vincent Rockliff of Davenport, Tasmania.:
Francis (Aug.1772), Mary (b.1/11/1773), William (b.3/8/1775), Anne (15/5/1777), Elizabeth (15/3/1779), Henry (b.7/2/1781), Susanna (5/5/1783), Hannah (15/3/1785), George (5/4/1787), Sarah, John (15/1/1791), Andrew (10/2/1793).
Of that brood, the descendants of eldest daughter Mary (who married Henry Reed), and her brothers William, and Henry, colonised northern Tasmania in the mid 1800's. According to the booklet "The Rockliff Saga", compiled by Norman Rockliff in 1974, Henry Reed in 1840 had properties in north Tasmania, and asked his nephew Henry Rockliff to come out to manage one. This Henry Rockliff was the son of Henry (b.1781), and in due course three of this Henry's younger brothers joined him there. Henry arrived on the "Essex" in 1841. According to shipping records, there were other Rockliffs on board - another Henry (b.1813?) and his wife and children, and John, aged 19,(b.30/12/1821), single. These two extra Rociliffs were sons of William (b.1775) and Mary (nee Lawrence). It is thought there was another brother Lawrence, who emigrated to Sydney in 1853, and possibly a sister, b. 1833, both also William's (1775) children.
My husband descends from John. John married Emma Maria Boston 5/7/1848, in Tasmania, and it is thought they had at least eleven children, but unfortunately no birth records have been found to prove this. The first was (1)John, (b.21/12/1848; m #1 Mary Elizabeth Rockliff (cousin?) m#2 Caroline Barker), (2) Aubrey James (b.25.7.1850; m Ellen Fitzmaurice), (3) Alfred (b.3/9/1852; m firstly Martha Bird (my husband's line), and secondly Ada Johnstone), then three children who died young, in 1868 - possibly diptheria epidemic - William b.1855, Catherine b.1857, and Mary Elizabeth b.1859; then came Ambrose (b.8/11/1860; m Margaret Davies), and Rachel (b.1863; m.William Wright); and the last three also died young - Selina "Celia" Louise, b.10/10/1864; Anna Maria b.1867, and Albert Henry b. 17/7/1869.
At this stage I have knowledge of Alfred's son Arthur Alfred's (b.1/4/1878, in Don, Tas.) descendants, and would be glad to share information. I have sketchy details of the descendants of the others. If anyone descends from John's (b.1821) line I would like to be able to add them to my data.John's son John (b.1848) is the ancestor of Bev. Smith's husband and she has passed on her data, but I would also like to record the descendants of Aubrey James, Ambrose, and Rachel Wright. (Lyn!)
I must reiterate that the above is from information from others; I personally have not resourced the documental evidence, and I apologise if I have got it wrong!.
(Blenheim, New Zealand, first written in 2001.)
George Duke m. Priscilla Prince, in Whitechapel, London 1849.
He was listed on census as a bricklayer. They lived and raised a family in Chiddingfold, Surrey, England, until emigrating to New Zealand in 1872.
Has anyone done a family tree with them on it - perhaps a sibling's tree of either ?
Thank you FamilyDetective for the census data.
P.S. October 2017 .. I have since found a family tree which states that Priscilla Prince was the daughter of Daniel Prince b. 1794 and Elizabeth Pitt, b. 1801; both presumably England. Elizabeth is recorded as having been a governess for Sir ?/ Knatchbull, and going to India with the family. Year unknown. Does anyone know whose family Elizabeth Pitt is of ?
Our family tree lists Henry Whittlestone, b. 1853; m. Emma Chapel in 1877, and emigrated to New Zealand on the "Opawa" in 1879. Their son Harry was born in New Zealand, we we pretty much have all the dates and documentations from after their arrival in New Zealand. We just don't know where they came from in England originally. We know that Emma Chappel was from Yorkshire.
Henry's father was George Whittleston, bap. 1821, m. Mary Booth 1847.
George's father was George Whittlestone, bap. 1779. m. Anne Wainwright in 1805.
George's father was Edward Whittleston. No DOB known, or from where in England.
Has anyone got this lineage to share ?
Does anyone know of and/or the whereabouts of the descendants of Hope (nee Jarvis) and George Wilson, last of Western Australia ? She played drums in their band; he was a pianist. They had at least two children.. Faith and David, b. c. 1940's. They are my second cousins, and I would like to make contact with them. Hope's parents were Albert Shaw and Adelaide Jarvis. Albert was born in South Australia in 1879.
Mary Druid married Richard Wallace. Their son Henry, born 1824, married Mary Blackwell in 1846 at Shinrone, Ireland. Henry and Mary-Anne emigrated to Australia and eventually settled at Boggy Creek in north East Victoria. Their daughter Mary-Anne married in 1878 John Hunter Dinning who had emigrated from Northern Ireland in 1861.
I am looking for the forebears of John Dinning probably born c. 1820's who married Hannah Thomas in Northern Ireland. They lived in Garvargh. She was a corn merchant's daughter, and John also became a corn merchant along with general farming. They had several children, most of whom dispersed to either Australia or the U.S. Mine, John Hunter Dinning, emigrated to Austrlaia.
We do not know anything about the births of the other siblings - at least one stayed in Ireland; the rest went to the U.S.. The ones emigrating to Australia were met by an uncle Samuel Dinning. He was born in 1797 in County Derry. He was convicted in Ireland for stealing an iron staple and transported to Australia for 7 years. He left behind a wife and 3 sons and a daughter, of whom we do not know any details.
If anyone thinks they might have the family tree details of John Dinning senior I would be very pleased to hear from you.
Robert Johnston, Arr. Dunedin N.Z. on "May Queen" November 1872. Married 1874 Emilly Maria Duke who also had emigrated on same ship with her parents
These anecdotes on Robert Johnston were written by Joyce Ashby, daughter of Robert's youngest daughter Agnes Anne Brownrigg, and from Robert Rockliff, younger son of Robert's eldest daughter Emily Ella Jane.
Robert Johnston was born on 21st November, year unknown (c.1850?) at Yell, Shetland Islands, His father's name was possibly Magnus, who according to Joyce: "I seem to remember being told, he was a violin maker. (Magnus though may have been a brother..). He had an old aunt who lived to 104 years. Her name was Jane."
Robert's birthname was probably Johnson. Per Joyce: "For those who are delving into family history etc. it may be as well to take this into consideration:- Grandpa Johnston, changed the name of Johnson and added the letter "T" himself. According to Mum (Agnes) he thought it looked better that way. .. Wouldn't mind betting I am the only one who knew that...! Joyce"
Joyce wrote: "Grandpa was going to go to Nova Scotia but changed his mind at the last moment and came to "The Land of Milk & Honey" - New Zealand. My understanding is that he met Grandma Johnston (Emily Maria Duke) on the boat coming out to New Zealand. The boat arrived in Dunedin in November 1872. My understanding is that grandma and grandpa were married in All Saints Church Dunedin on 22nd September 1874 and that Sir Robert Stout was grandpa's Best Man." The Johnston family later worshipped at the Congregational Church."
Bob (Robert) Rockliff related: "During the ship's journey out he was selected to be the ship's "policeman" due to his large size." He was a tailor by trade. He set up business in Dunedin and to again quote from the memories of Robert Rockliff, one of his sales catchphrases was "Johnston's Trousers Down".
Robert and Emily Maria Johnston (nee Duke) had a very large family: Their children were: (with thanks to Kathy Scott for this detail):
Harry Johnston (1874 -)
Emily Ella Jane Johnston (1875-1965) She married Alfred Rockliff, who was born in Tasmania
Kate Johnston (1878 - )
Frederick William Isaac Johnston (1877-1940)
Albert Edward Johnston (1879-1951)
Ernest James George Johnston (1881-1945)
Stanley Priscus Johnston (1883-1957)
Robert Augustus Victor Leopold Johnston (1885-1964)
William Evelyn Napier Johnston (1887-1966)
Victor Onslow Cranley Johnston (1889-1954)
Eva Priscilla Margaret Johnston (1891-1969)
Agnes Annie Brownrigg Johnston (1895-1967
Joyce wrote: "I was told that names, other than family names, were those of famous men and lords of note of the time. Mum's (Agnes) as far as I can make out, were after grandma's sisters plus the Doctor who brought her into the world, Dr. Brownrigg.
Houses: The Duke Family home was built by William Duke at Woodhaugh, Dunedin. It was a wooden two-storied building and later was plastered.
Grandma and Grandpa Johnston's homes:
Kaitangata: Agnes was born there, and Joyce undertands that the Johnstons left there when Agnes was 2 years old.
Ravensbourn: Two storied home, town end.
Hale Cottage: George Street, north end. Joyce says: "I remember seeing a photo of mum, standing by the gate at Hale Cottage. She looked a schoolgirl, not a tiny-tot.".
Larkworthy Street: St. Kilda No. 11. "This was the home mum (Agnes) must have been married from.
I am trying to figure out my G.grandfather's real name. He went by the name of William Jarvis but I believe that may be a dead comrade's name. He used to slur what his real name was, and family thought it "McGregor", but Y-DNA results have not shown this
He joined the Royal Navy at Woolwich in 1859; sailed on the "Fisguard", "Termagant" (during the American Civil War, and the ship guarded the British Consul); and on the "Falcon" during the Maori Wars of 1864 under the command of Sir William Wiseman of the "Curacao"; He took part in the seige of "Gate-Pa" Tauranga N.Z., - this is the only recorded time the "blue Jackets" have fought on land, and during these skirmishes a William Jarvis was wounded and died of his injuries. My g.grandfather jumped ship in Adelaide in April 1865 and lived a long and happy life with wife Emma (nee Stone) producing 15 children. The above information is as per newspaper interviews on his retirement, and 50th wedding anniversary. He died in January 1921 at age 80, having had only "20 birthdays" - i.e., leapyear - 29th February 1840.
Are there any Naval Historians willing or able to trawl through the British Naval Ships' records of the above named ships, and perhaps find a McKellar, or McKebla, or any derivitive of that name, including McColl, or Cole on all ships ?