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The German line in my family came from Wollschow (near Prenzlau, NW of Berlin)and Friedberg in Germany.
Maria Christina Duckwitz 1818 - 1900 came from Wollschow.
Her son August Wilhelm Duckwitz 1841 - 1919 married 1867 to Albertine Wilhelmina Sauer 1844-1930. They migrated to Australia as part of a larger family group including Ruthenberg's in 1870.
Albertine's parents were Christian Sauer and Wilhelmina Knoll.
If you can help me go back before then I'd appreciate it.
Looking for a particular line of interest concerning family of Loretto Derig believed to have been born in New Zealand's Whangarei in the 1940's. Parent's may have owned a shop.
Many years ago (probably the early 1960's) I remember visiting with my grandfather's cousin Cecil Ernest Kirby and his wife Grace Winifred (nee Harding)in Gregory Terrace, Brisbane. They had at least one child a John Kirby of whom nothing more is known.
Cecil was the son of Arthur Kirby & Ellen(nee Flint). Ellen was born in Norwich Norfolk 21 July 1873. Migrated to Australia possibly following two uncles - Edward Seaton Flint who lived variously in Sydney and Brisbane, and Lewis George Flint.
Cecil had an older brother living on the Isle of Man - Arthur Harold married to a Constance Saddleston. Two children Paula and John Richard.
As a very young teenager in elderly adult company, my only recollections were of a very prim and proper townhouse. There are so many Kirby's around in Australia, and the liklihood of just jagging a link are remote. It is not an area that at this stage I would consider researching deeply, but I may be able to exchange information with someone who can link some of the names mentioned.
This journal starts in what appears to be a little hamlet of Quorn or Quorndon as it used be called just north of Leicester in England. My great great grandfather John Hartopp Greasley was born in Quorndon in 1843. He married Anne Disney in Sept 1864 and migrated to Australia on the "Legion of Honour" in 1866. They settled in Brisbane and Anne predeceased him in 1896. He married again - Queensland marriage registration show marriage to a Catherine Walsh in 1897.
He died at 60 and on his death certificate filed by his son it is reported marriage to a Catherine Ryan. This could possibly be caused by the Irish Ryan necessity of having a distinguishing name as well as the surname. She might have called herself Catherine Ryan(Walsh), whereas the official surname is Ryan.
Also on the death certificate his parents are reported as John Greasley and Hannah (nee Hartopp). But then, the English census data of 1851 and 1861 records John as a 7 year old student and an 18 year old stone quarryman living with his grandparents Richard and Hannah Hartopp. There is a daughter Hannah also living in the same houshold, so John may be daughter Hannah Greasley's son. Other research conducted in the UK indicates he was the son of yet another daughter Lucy Greasley, not mentioned on the census in any year. His son could possibly be excused for not knowing the exact parentage as they would have never met, may never have spoken of them, or the truth might have been used very sparingly and possibly deviously. And perhaps John himself might never have known the truth if his mother Lucy died at childbirth and he was brought up by grandparents who were unwillingly to confess the truth.
But he was not going to to let the lack of parentage get in his own fatherly duties. He and Ann produced 11 children, and then one more in his mid 50's. Names were Thirza, Charles Hartopp, Lucy, John Disney, Alfred George, Alfred, Arthur Edgar, Thirza Maud, May, Percy Spriggs, George, and then John Joseph was born to Catherine.
The surviving children produced well too. My line comes down through Alfred who married Wilhelmine Albertine Duckwitz in 1897. Wilhelmine was born in Brisbane but both parents migrated from Germany - Wolschow and Friedberg to the North east of Berlin. There children were Arthur George, Alfred Disney, Charles Hartopp, William John, Thurza Maud, and Leslie. Down from these children I have lots of spaces in the tree here. Most are Greasley's, Thurza married a Charles Edward KNIGHT, and they had Mavis Knight and Noel Knight.
If anyone is recognising some of these names as part of your research, I would love to fill in spaces, confirm accuracy of information, or going back prior to John Hartopp and Ann Disney would be especially welcome.
On the Disney side my earliest is Samuel 1724, Samuel 1700 married Mary Stevenson, William 1728 married Alice Brandreth, Samuel 1756-1817 married Mary Holbrook 1759-1823, Samuel 1789-1830 married Mary Lee 1790-1871, Samuel 1820-1899 married Theodocia Bradshaw 1821-1881, who produced Ann 1842-1896. I think Samuel was the traditional family name!
This is a section of my ancestry that fascinates me. I have two lines coming from the Plantaginets and they meet again with the marriage of Susannah Maria Gilpin and Joseph Dacre Appleby.
Susannah was one of 11 children of William Gilpin 5 July 1657 to 14 August 1724 and Mary Fletcher - married 6 Dec 1688. I think Susannah might be the oldest - other siblings were born between 1692 and 1708. The Gilpin line goes back through Brisco, Martindale, Musgrave, de Clifford, Percy, Mortimer, Phillippa Countess of Ulster and her father Lionel of Antwerp the Duke of Clarence the second son of King Edward III, and back via Edward I first wife Queen Eleanor of Spain.
Over the same time scale Joseph's mother was a Dacre, back to Knyvett, then Howard (Duke of Norfolk and Anne Boleyn/Henry VIII infamy), de Mowbray, Segrave, and again back to Edward I via number two wife Princess Marguerite of France, daughter of King Phillip III of France.
The Dacre estates passed through to son of Joseph & Susannah and he chose to drop the Appleby name and go with Dacre.
Other surnames since then that might have similar ancestry would be Lacy, Blades Thompson, Blanshard. Most of my foot work has been done by Ernest Arthur Blanshard of Edinburgh 1870-1941.
I'd like very much some coroboration of the facts. No sources were given and although there is no reason to doubt the information, reality check would be good.
Lewis Flint and wife Elizabeth had at least one child William born 1738. It is believed that Lewis's heritage goes back to the Shillington district of the UK.
William married Mary Bennet in 3 July 1736. Their nine children were William, Mary, Lewis, James, John Bennet, Jane, Melissa, Sarah, & Frances.
Lewis married Elizabeth Harvey 14 February 1797. They produced eight children - William, Lewis, Frances Elizabeth, Thomas, John, Ann, Elizabeth Harvey, and James.
William (1798-1871) married twice firstly to Mary Seaton producing six children - Seaton, Elizabeth, John, James, Joseph and Harvey. His second wife was Elizabeth Dring (Mary Seaton's bridesmaid). To Elizabeth he had four children William, Thomas, William and Lewis.
James (1830-1913)married three times the first to Henrietta . Their eight children were Edward Seaton, Henrietta, Emily Florence, Frank James, Frances Elizabeth, Lewis George, Ellen, and Olive Edith.
Edward Seaton (1858 - 1934)was my great grandfather migrating to Australia from Norwich UK in 1884. He married Ross Graham of Glasgow.
The trail back into the 17th Century is getting very cool and dry. The best that can be ascertained is that there is a probability that the family had come from Shillington.
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