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Confirmation to my recent post regarding corrections to the Albress Nth Qld branch.
I was uncertain of who the mother of Arthur Stanley Albress(1904-1945) was. She was Antonio's daughter Maria. I didn't realise that the connection was so close as I always believed there were a few generations between the original Albress and my grandfather -Arthur Stanley. By checking dates and discussions with my father (John Stanley) the line went from Antonio to Maria to Arthur Stanley then my father John Stanley. Then my generation who all have families, so there is a younger generation not mentioned as yet.
My father confirms that he is the John Stanley referred to in the Cairns Post newspaper clippings who boxed as a young lad and also played rugby league (as did my brother and I). Unfortunately the boxing line ceased when my mother wouldn't sign the papers to allow my brother into the ring as a young teenager. Though our football career expanded as a result. We both played throughout school years, playing for Townsville many times and North Queensland on several occasions. There was a toss up for Queensland schoolboys during our football efforts at one stage, albeit close it was unsuccessful. I preferred lock though my brother was somewhat of a star hooker. After we finished school,fast cars and even faster women put an end to our sporting careers.
My father corrects me on his mother's maiden maiden name. In my last post I stated that Pearl Mavis (wife of Arthur Stanley) was a Williams - though I am now reliably informed her maiden name was Rushby and she came from a sheep station in Central NSW. Her nickname was "Billy" which was part of Arthur Stanley's boxing pseudonym of "Billy Williams". No-one seems to know where the "Williams" part came from.
There was mention that Antonio's daughters were okay at singing - amazingly, this talent eluded my line though my father believes he and his sister's weren't too bad as young'uns. He tells a story of actually being given money to sing along with his sisters during a train trip to Mt Isa - though reality suggests that was probably more to keep them quiet.
Dad also confirms that his elder sister Marie was actually spelt Marie and not Maree as indicated in previous extraneous posts.
All for now
As a descendant, I was simply "googling" the Albress name when I came across the fascinating story on Antonio Albress - however the Queensland branch details discussed are limited and slightly confused. Some correction is therefore required.
Below reference to Queensland branch of the Albress lineage discusses the relationship between A.S.Albress or P. Albress as father to Maree Grace and Beryl Jean Albress of Mossman North Queensland. The author surmises that Panteleon (son of Antonio) may have journeyed north during the 1930 depression to chase work. The P. Albress in fact is Pearl Mavis wife of Arthur Stanley Albress (my grandfather). This topic has stimulated me to provide as much detail as I can on the North Queensland branch. I will only provide here what I know to be correct at present. Others in my family have done previous research so I will discuss this topic with them then enter as much as is known from this end. Hope this helps.
Arthur Stanley Albress 1904 (Melb) to 19 June 1945.Died as a result of Prisoner of War involved in the fall of Singapore early 1941. Was captured and sent to Changi prison then onto Borneo to build airstrips for the Japanese. Held in Sandakan POW camp until close to the end of the war when the Japanese policy was to march all prisoners to death. Close to the time General Macarthur was returning to the Phillipines - Sandakan POW camp wasn't too far across the waves- so the Japanese response was to organise 3 "death marches". A.S. Albress was in the second of these 3 marches. Most were sick with Malaria and Beri beri so those who dropped out were killed. Arthur Stanley dropped out and was killed by the Japanese on 19 June 1945 (war ended soon after). See P 228 of "Sandakan Conspiracy of Silence" by Lynette Ramsay Silver 1998 (3rd revised edn.2003)
It was possibly Arthur Stanley that moved north during the 1930 depression chasing work. My father John Stanley was born in 1930 in Charleville - west of Brisbane so the timeframe fits the move north. There was also some mention of Arthur Stanley boxing under the name of Billy Williams (his wife's nickname and surname combined) for money when times were hard. My father John Stanley also boxed as a teenager and played rugby league- see reference in below section). Pearl Mavis did have a shop in Mossman and is the P. Albress that the below considers is Panteleon Albress. The dates are all wrong for Panteleon.
Little is known of Arthur Stanley's parents. We believe his mother was Maria Albress and father stated as unknown on his birth certificate. I am uncertain as to who Maria belongs to or where she fits in. Confusion exists as below shows his mother as Moira not Maria. I have seen Moira in a few places now but checked with mum today and she dispells Moira for Maria from previous discussions with Pearl Mavis. Possible typo when filling in army forms as this appears when Moira started to exist.
Arthur Stanley married Pearl Mavis Williams of Home Hill (twin town to Ayr Nth Qld -A.S. Albress was listed as joining the army in Ayr) and had 3 children Marie Grace, Beryl Jean and John Stanley (my father). The below spells Marie Grace as Maree Grace though I always knew her as Aunty Marie.
Marie Grace married Keith Craven and lived in Mossman Nth Qld as long as I knew them. After Keith died, Marie moved to Cairns to live with her son. Marie is since deceased. Their children's names were Carol, Kay, Lorraine and Terry(son). I think I am missing one so will check.
Beryl Jean (second daughter) married Donald Gulliver (formerly of the Daintree as below suggests) had 10 children and moved to Collinsville where Donny (and later his 2 sons) worked in the Collinsville Coal Mine until Donny's retirement. After Aunty Beryl died Donny eventually remarried and was still in Collinsville at last count. Some of their children were Joan, Jean, Ronny (deceased), Margaret, Cheryl, Laurel, Keith (missing 2 or 3 - will find out).
John Stanley Albress (my father) born Charleville Qld 1930 to present, married Alicia May Norcott (born Brisbane 1933 to present) but met while working in Cairns at the time. Had 5 children, Alan David 1952-2007, Raymond John born Tully 1953 (me), Lynette Margaret born 1955, Michelle Maree born 1957, and Alicea May born 1964, All still reside in Townsville except myself. John Stanley grew up in Mossman and later worked around the sugar mills of Nth Qld until moving to Townsville in 1960 for children's education and better work prospects. Followed in his father's footsteps and gained a steam operator's ticket at one stage. A.S. Albress worked as a steam operator in the sawmills of the Danbulla logging district on the Atherton Tablelands before joining the army. This area now bordered by Lake Tinaroo on the Atherton Tablelands and is part of my current work territory (small world). Alan David had 3 children, I have 2 children, Lynette Margaret has 2 children, Michelle Maree has 2 children, and Alicea May(note different spelling to mum, Alicia May) has 4 children.
I need to check a few things and will post the next generation soon- hope this helps. Cheers Ray (Raymond John) Albress.
Below references the extract from http://www.familytreecircles.com/mrs-antonio-albress-did-not-die-her-son-was-not-west-indian-professor-australia-45852.html - Queensland branch part of extract only
MRS ANTONIO ALBRESS DID NOT DIE. HER SON WAS NOT WEST INDIAN, PROFESSOR. (AUSTRALIA) (Also BENNETT.)
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The Queensland branch.
It is uncertain when this branch was established but the move was probably prompted by the opportunity to find work during the depression of the 1930s. Newspaper articles do not provide certainty about who led the move but I believe it was Pantaleon who died in 1940. What causes the confusion is that when Beryl Jean Albress married Donald Arthur Gulliver in 1948 she was called the daughter of the late Mr A.S.Albress but when she made her debut in 1946, she was called the daughter of the late Mr. P. Albress.
The first mention of the family in Queensland was on page 2 of the Brisbane Courier on 21-1-1937. A.Albress had gained a 3rd class engine drivers certificate at Mareeba.
On page 2 of its 30-11-1945 issue, the Townsville Daily Bulletin reported that Private A.S.Albress of Ayr, previously listed as a prisoner of war, had died. (See details after trove information.)
The Cairns Post of 5-9-1946 reported on page 6 that Miss Beryl Albress, the second daughter of Mrs and the late Mr P. Albress of Mossman was one of the debutantes, describing her dress in detail. One would presume that this was Beryl Jean Albress who married Donald Arthur Gulliver in the Mossman Methodist Church but who was described on page 6 of the Cairns Post of 18-2-1948 as being the daughter of Mrs and the late Mr A.S.Albress. Her maid of honour was the brides sister, Mrs K. Craven. By the greatest stroke of good luck, the unhighlighted article above this one concerned a marriage that had taken place in the same church on Monday, 26 January. Keith Craven had married Maree Grace Gilligan Albress, the eldest daughter of Mrs and the late Mr A.S.Albress.
Before I deal with the name of Maree and Beryls father (A.S. or P?)
), I must mention that Marees third given name offers interesting possibilities. It is possible that the girls mother had been a Gilligan and I know of two ways that the Gilligan and Albress families may have become acquainted. Many peninsula lads tried their hand at the diggings and Antonio might have done so too, passing through Keilor on the way, just as I believe John Sullivan from Rye did. Due to the huge number of Irish workers building the Mt Alexander and Murray River Railway in 1858, St Augustines at Keilor was commenced at an early date. Irish pioneers near Bulla such as the Crotty, Reddan, Brannigan and Gilligan families would make the long journey to St Augustines very regula
born Charleville Qldrly and Antonio may have met the Gilligans after mass.
Thomas and Catherine Gilligan settled on 60 acres at the south west corner of Bungower and Jones Rd near Somerville and the widowed Catherine obtained the grant for crown allotment 61A, Moorooduc in 1882. As speculated earlier, Antonio may have attended mass at Mornington on a fairly regular basis since Dromana did not have its own Catholic Church till Lawrence Murphy got things going in the early 1900s. The SullivanEXTRACT FROM AN EMAIL SENT TO AN ALBRESS DESCENDANTs in Tyabb parish, the Gilligans and the Albress family might have become acquainted at the Mornington Church.
As both Pantaleon and A.S.Albress had died, it is hard to decide which report was accurate. A.S. was born in 1904 (according to a source) so assuming Maree was about 20, A.S. would have only been about 20 when she was born, highly unlikely.
The Cairns Post of 13-2-1948, page 5 article about rents being raised by the court, shows that Mrs P.M.Albress was renting a shop in Mill St, Mossman. Although it was usual for widows to use their own initials rather than their husbands, I presume that she was Pantaleons widow. Pantaleon was bornEXTRACT FROM AN EMAIL SENT TO AN ALBRESS DESCENDANT in 1884 so if he was Maree and Beryls father he would have been about 44 when the girls were born, hardly too old.
Using a bit of guess work for the girls birth years, and assuming that Pantaleon was the father, that would make his children A.S.(1904, when Pantaleon was 22), Maree (1926?) and Beryl (1928?) so there should have been quite a few children born between A.S. and Maree.
Page 3 of the Cairns Post of 21-8-1947 reports a boxing tournament at Mossman as a fundraiser. In one bout M. Ah Wong was beaten on points by J.Albress. As their weights were, respectively 7 stone 6 pounds and 7 stone 5 pounds, they were either midgets or boys of about 13. J (possibly John) could have been a son of A.S.Albress. The Albress lad playing minor junior Rugby League for Southern Suburbs against Babinda was probably the young boxer.(C.P. 5-5-1950, p.3.)
Arthur Stanley Albress was born in Melbourne in 1904. (pipl)
The Australian War Memorial gives the following details.
A.S.Albress. Service No: QX24479. Rank: Private.
Unit: Australian Army Ordnance Corps. Theatre: Malaysia.
Casualty: P.O.W. Location of camp: Borneo.
The A.I.F. Project adds:
Cemetery: Labuan Memorial, Malaya. Details: 19/06/45.*
Son of Moira Albress, husband of Pearl Mavis Albress of Home Hill, Queensland.
*Mundia gives Arthurs year of death as 1944.
PLACES. Mossman (originally Mosman but changed to avoid confusion with the Sydney suburb) just up the coast from Port Douglas and quite close to the Daintree where the Gullivers were from. Mareeba (meeting of the waters) is at the confluence of the Barron River and two other streams on the Atherton tableland a bit south of due west from Cairns. Ayr is south east of Townsville about half way to Bowen and Home Hill is 12 km further on.
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